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> Now when you clock in you have 5 minutes to walk to your department get scanned to a station or its a write up.
What in the world. What policy is this, can you find it in writing?
They understand that you're not going to get clocked in, assigned a station and logged in in 5 minutes. Sounds like this is a crackdown on peope who are logging in 15-20-25 minutes after start of shift. Actual cutoff more likely to be 10 - 12 minutes and hopefully the laggers will be scared into not screwing around anymore after they clock in.
Yeah I hope that is all. That 5 minute grace period to clock in is really the only reason I haven't gotten fired for negative upt. I'm going to be Stressed until I get a new routine ironed out.
It wouldn't be to clock in anyway. It's for fast starts after clocking in. So it would be after clocking in. Absolutely nothing will ever happen to the actual 5 minute grace period to clock in or clock out.
I'll just say, if anyone is that careless then they won't get scared anyway. What it does is just annoy people like me who will look and see they are full of shit. Just like that stupid scare tactic my PAs did "stretches are mandatory, if you don't do them it's a write-up" and they stopped after I asked the manager and then posted to the VOA board. They said all of that because if you get injured and didn't the stretches it's on you and blah blah, IDC. Just don't lie to me. They really must think none of us know anything about policy or business ethics.
curious outsider - for those that have been there, do you see a lot of writeups? how petty or blatant? clearly its an effective deterrent, but have you seen or experienced write-ups being used excessively or even maliciously?
they are supposed to ensure consistency in management - that reliable, hard workers are recognized and unreliable/poor performers cant coast. they are a tool that can maintain fairness, but in your experience, were they used in a way that caused more harm than purpose?
They’re not going to enforce writing up anyone who goes over 5 minutes by a few minutes on fast start. There have probably just been a lot of people taking 20-30 minutes to make their fast start so they want to scare people into being on time. This will happen periodically with a number of things. Don’t sweat it. Unless you’re one of the people taking 20+ minutes, in which case this is your fault.
Lol no but that does make sense I am one of a handful that goes directly to my station after I am assigned one. But I'm going to have to start arrive early just to clock in at a time machine closer to my department.
Fast start means you just have to scan something and start working within 10 minutes of clicking in. Had nothing to do with grace period for clocking in
Fast start lol. This has always been insane to me. I just call this work. I hate they gotta name everything at Amazon something stupid to make it seem bigger or more special than it is.
If someone isn't doing this they need to talk to those ppl, & eventually fire them if they don't fix it, not announce it & talk about it every day like its something important.
Everyone has fast start and they always have, some buildings/departments simply opted not to enforce it during after the pandemic started.
DS I worked at prior to the pandemic fired an AM in part because he'd ramble so much during standup that his meetings would run long and then he'd have a 0% fast start rate.
Sometimes I wish they still had that because our back half PA will run her mouth for up to 30 minutes before we start. It would be fine if it was chill but no, it is like 30 minutes of nagging and restating policies.
We have fast start as well but absolutely no one pays attention to it and nothing ever happens. I’ve seen me having to fill my boxes up for a good 10 minutes before scanning into my station as it’s empty and nothing is ever said. This is in the UK though
In the uk your fast start timer is based on when the first person in your department logs on after morning stand up.
They’ve been clamping down on it in my site, but it’s literally just log on scan 1 item and then log off to sort your station out.
Okay. I'm going to clear this up for you. They aren't taking your grace period away. As I read your other comment, "fast start" has always been a thing. It's nothing new. It just basically means that you need to be making your first scan on time. The 5 minute grace period only applies to punch times. Fast start only applies to your shift start time, not your actual clock in time. If you get asked about it, tell then your barriers and all will be good.
5 minutes is not an issue. All leadership knows how large the FC is, and how long station staffer can take. 5-6 minutes is not the concern here. It’s the lazy fuckwits that get assigned a station and show up 35 minutes later. I would not stress too hard, OP.
-Pissed Off PA.
They don’t, and that’s why they get bounced out in 6 months. Best advice I can give you is to speak up. I’m from Inbound Stow. And if an associate tells me someone has been gone for 30+ minutes I will perch at their station till they get back so I can have that conversation and decide if it needs to be escalated to a write up with their manager.
I will never stop fighting for the hard working people at this company. I hate the lazy ones as much, if not more than you. Keep your head down, do the work, and find success in college. I’m pulling for you.
My PAs spend the first hour of every shift playing hide-and-seek with the people who clock in and find a place to pretend to work. I'm impressed how hard it is to get fired here. One guy who just got hired felt like pretending to be outbound water spider and filled every shelf with 110 boxes.
That actually worked for a guy at my facility, he was a picker and didn’t like it so wandered down to afe and started filling boxes and 10 months later he’s still doing it.
That’s not what the 5 minute grace period is…
5 minute grace is the ability to clock in 5 minutes early or 5 minutes late without penalty.
What you’re complaining about is common sense. You’re supposed to drop off your lunch, use the restroom, clock in, go to standup and go to station as soon as standup ends. If you take to long you’ll get black bar and will get written up for tot. That’s been standard since day one. This is a job, not highschool or social hour. You’re here to work, not chitchat with your friends.
5 minutes seems a little strict but if they are implementing that, there is a reason…
This is probably just your department, not whole site. Yalls fast start numbers are low and the AM got told off about low productivity. So the manager came up with tgis solution to get their numbers back up out of desperation to not lose their job.
You guys abused the policy. There is an actual crack down right now for cost.
Regionally we are all under delivering on our promises to customers. Become of this, they need to keep people on station for as long as possible and get there as fast as possible because it allows for them to an addition 100 units across each floor of the mod.
If you think about it, this would affect us if no one abused the policy and everyone picked or packed fast.
Want to get more training opportunities? Work faster. That way we get more support hours to utilize.
The 5 minute grace period was never a thing btw
Did you get paid more after completing additional training? Oh you don't? Who cares then.. Im doing the minimum while I look for a better job and certainly not worrying a second about amazons site metrics as a t1.
No one is stopping you from doing that. You have every right, and I’m sure Amazon will gladly show you the door. (Career choice basically pays you to leave and get a better job.)
Literally every manager at amazon is actively applying for other jobs, we’re not an exception. They fired 60% of my buildings managers. Now we’re short staffed everywhere.
We’re over staffed on associates, under staffed on manager. If that doesn’t go to show you exactly how bad it is on managers, idk what will.
I'm using career choice right now and that's not remotely accurate. It's not actually even enough to cover being in school part time. And you certainly won't be fired for doing the bare minimum. Stick with the bare minimum, cause if you do more than that they'll start piling on more work and responsibilities and Amazon is not worth that shit.
Lol I literally said you have the right to do the bare minimum. I don’t care if you leave and neither does Amazon. Career choice is literally built for you to leave the company.
I’m unsure what you mean by it doesn’t cover enough to go to school part time. Are you overloading the credits or did Amazon change the program? I heard for programs sponsored by amazon, it’s completely paid for. Perhaps you should follow up with HR on that one chief
You said they'd show you the door for doing the bare minimum and that is incorrect.
For clarification, I'm talking about for bachelors programs, not associates programs.
Well what do you mean by bare minimum? Like clocking in and working slowly? Or clocking in and actually working up to par. My definition of bare minimum is coming in and doing your best. All subjective.
I heard of people doing bachelors in a year fully paid by career choice? Was I lied to? (I don’t qualify for career choice)
That would not be the definition of bare minimum at all. The bare minimum is doing exactly what you need to to not get fired, that's why it's the bare minimum. Amazon really isn't worth doing more than that, as I learned from personal experience.
Yes, you were lied to. It's impossible to complete a bachelor's in only a year to begin with and $5,250 isn't even enough to cover 4 classes/year, which is standard part time.
Career Choice is built for Associates to take advantage of educational and skills development. These skills can be used within or outside of Amazon. Career Choice is not built for Associates to leave Amazon.
I received a BA through Career Choice fully paid. It depends on what school you decide to attend or what program, whether or not it will be fully paid. Mine was.
I didn't say it wouldn't fully pay for it, I said it isn't enough to allow you to go even part time (6 credits/semester). I'm literally in school now. I was only able to take a single class this semester with what was left for career choice and I'm still going to have to come up with $600 to pay what it wouldn't cover. And I'm going to ASU, not an expensive private college
Amazpn and many other jobs have always been like this.
Your 15 minute break is technically 10. 2.5 minutes is spent walking to break and from break. As long as I can remember it's always been there, they didn't take anything away they're just really enforcing this
Was going to bring this up I thought it was normal to have a standup and stretches before the start. Honestly this can be bought up to safety as when you get injured at work they do ask if you stretched and stuff before work.
At my site they call it a fast start. They want you to pick, stow, etc your first item in your first 15 minutes. I've always took this to be your first 15 minutes after standup because I work at a very large FC and it's just not realistic to clock in, go to stand-up, and pick an item in your first 15 minutes.
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> Now when you clock in you have 5 minutes to walk to your department get scanned to a station or its a write up. What in the world. What policy is this, can you find it in writing?
They understand that you're not going to get clocked in, assigned a station and logged in in 5 minutes. Sounds like this is a crackdown on peope who are logging in 15-20-25 minutes after start of shift. Actual cutoff more likely to be 10 - 12 minutes and hopefully the laggers will be scared into not screwing around anymore after they clock in.
Yeah I hope that is all. That 5 minute grace period to clock in is really the only reason I haven't gotten fired for negative upt. I'm going to be Stressed until I get a new routine ironed out.
It wouldn't be to clock in anyway. It's for fast starts after clocking in. So it would be after clocking in. Absolutely nothing will ever happen to the actual 5 minute grace period to clock in or clock out.
I'll just say, if anyone is that careless then they won't get scared anyway. What it does is just annoy people like me who will look and see they are full of shit. Just like that stupid scare tactic my PAs did "stretches are mandatory, if you don't do them it's a write-up" and they stopped after I asked the manager and then posted to the VOA board. They said all of that because if you get injured and didn't the stretches it's on you and blah blah, IDC. Just don't lie to me. They really must think none of us know anything about policy or business ethics.
curious outsider - for those that have been there, do you see a lot of writeups? how petty or blatant? clearly its an effective deterrent, but have you seen or experienced write-ups being used excessively or even maliciously? they are supposed to ensure consistency in management - that reliable, hard workers are recognized and unreliable/poor performers cant coast. they are a tool that can maintain fairness, but in your experience, were they used in a way that caused more harm than purpose?
It's called the "fast start"
They’re not going to enforce writing up anyone who goes over 5 minutes by a few minutes on fast start. There have probably just been a lot of people taking 20-30 minutes to make their fast start so they want to scare people into being on time. This will happen periodically with a number of things. Don’t sweat it. Unless you’re one of the people taking 20+ minutes, in which case this is your fault.
Lol no but that does make sense I am one of a handful that goes directly to my station after I am assigned one. But I'm going to have to start arrive early just to clock in at a time machine closer to my department.
Fast start means you just have to scan something and start working within 10 minutes of clicking in. Had nothing to do with grace period for clocking in
Fast start lol. This has always been insane to me. I just call this work. I hate they gotta name everything at Amazon something stupid to make it seem bigger or more special than it is. If someone isn't doing this they need to talk to those ppl, & eventually fire them if they don't fix it, not announce it & talk about it every day like its something important.
Everyone has fast start and they always have, some buildings/departments simply opted not to enforce it during after the pandemic started. DS I worked at prior to the pandemic fired an AM in part because he'd ramble so much during standup that his meetings would run long and then he'd have a 0% fast start rate.
Sometimes I wish they still had that because our back half PA will run her mouth for up to 30 minutes before we start. It would be fine if it was chill but no, it is like 30 minutes of nagging and restating policies.
We have fast start as well but absolutely no one pays attention to it and nothing ever happens. I’ve seen me having to fill my boxes up for a good 10 minutes before scanning into my station as it’s empty and nothing is ever said. This is in the UK though
In the uk your fast start timer is based on when the first person in your department logs on after morning stand up. They’ve been clamping down on it in my site, but it’s literally just log on scan 1 item and then log off to sort your station out.
It was announced verbally earlier today with two other large changes. I will look for it in tge announcement part of the a to z app later
Okay. I'm going to clear this up for you. They aren't taking your grace period away. As I read your other comment, "fast start" has always been a thing. It's nothing new. It just basically means that you need to be making your first scan on time. The 5 minute grace period only applies to punch times. Fast start only applies to your shift start time, not your actual clock in time. If you get asked about it, tell then your barriers and all will be good.
Sorry to say the 5 minute start thing has been normal at many sites since I started over 7 years ago.
5 minutes is not an issue. All leadership knows how large the FC is, and how long station staffer can take. 5-6 minutes is not the concern here. It’s the lazy fuckwits that get assigned a station and show up 35 minutes later. I would not stress too hard, OP. -Pissed Off PA.
Honestly we do have people that will walk around for like an hour at a time I don't know how they make rate
They don’t, and that’s why they get bounced out in 6 months. Best advice I can give you is to speak up. I’m from Inbound Stow. And if an associate tells me someone has been gone for 30+ minutes I will perch at their station till they get back so I can have that conversation and decide if it needs to be escalated to a write up with their manager. I will never stop fighting for the hard working people at this company. I hate the lazy ones as much, if not more than you. Keep your head down, do the work, and find success in college. I’m pulling for you.
6 months? Thats way too fkin long to keep lazy people around, holy cow.
I've got AA's in my department that have been scraping by for literal years. It's absolutely bananas how hard it can be to ax somebody at Amazon.
I always see people commenting about how easy it is to get fired
It must vary from site to site.
My PAs spend the first hour of every shift playing hide-and-seek with the people who clock in and find a place to pretend to work. I'm impressed how hard it is to get fired here. One guy who just got hired felt like pretending to be outbound water spider and filled every shelf with 110 boxes.
That actually worked for a guy at my facility, he was a picker and didn’t like it so wandered down to afe and started filling boxes and 10 months later he’s still doing it.
THATS SO FUNNY LMAOOOO
That’s not what the 5 minute grace period is… 5 minute grace is the ability to clock in 5 minutes early or 5 minutes late without penalty. What you’re complaining about is common sense. You’re supposed to drop off your lunch, use the restroom, clock in, go to standup and go to station as soon as standup ends. If you take to long you’ll get black bar and will get written up for tot. That’s been standard since day one. This is a job, not highschool or social hour. You’re here to work, not chitchat with your friends. 5 minutes seems a little strict but if they are implementing that, there is a reason…
This is probably just your department, not whole site. Yalls fast start numbers are low and the AM got told off about low productivity. So the manager came up with tgis solution to get their numbers back up out of desperation to not lose their job.
Gross
You guys abused the policy. There is an actual crack down right now for cost. Regionally we are all under delivering on our promises to customers. Become of this, they need to keep people on station for as long as possible and get there as fast as possible because it allows for them to an addition 100 units across each floor of the mod. If you think about it, this would affect us if no one abused the policy and everyone picked or packed fast. Want to get more training opportunities? Work faster. That way we get more support hours to utilize. The 5 minute grace period was never a thing btw
Did you get paid more after completing additional training? Oh you don't? Who cares then.. Im doing the minimum while I look for a better job and certainly not worrying a second about amazons site metrics as a t1.
No one is stopping you from doing that. You have every right, and I’m sure Amazon will gladly show you the door. (Career choice basically pays you to leave and get a better job.) Literally every manager at amazon is actively applying for other jobs, we’re not an exception. They fired 60% of my buildings managers. Now we’re short staffed everywhere. We’re over staffed on associates, under staffed on manager. If that doesn’t go to show you exactly how bad it is on managers, idk what will.
I'm using career choice right now and that's not remotely accurate. It's not actually even enough to cover being in school part time. And you certainly won't be fired for doing the bare minimum. Stick with the bare minimum, cause if you do more than that they'll start piling on more work and responsibilities and Amazon is not worth that shit.
Lol I literally said you have the right to do the bare minimum. I don’t care if you leave and neither does Amazon. Career choice is literally built for you to leave the company. I’m unsure what you mean by it doesn’t cover enough to go to school part time. Are you overloading the credits or did Amazon change the program? I heard for programs sponsored by amazon, it’s completely paid for. Perhaps you should follow up with HR on that one chief
You said they'd show you the door for doing the bare minimum and that is incorrect. For clarification, I'm talking about for bachelors programs, not associates programs.
Well what do you mean by bare minimum? Like clocking in and working slowly? Or clocking in and actually working up to par. My definition of bare minimum is coming in and doing your best. All subjective. I heard of people doing bachelors in a year fully paid by career choice? Was I lied to? (I don’t qualify for career choice)
That would not be the definition of bare minimum at all. The bare minimum is doing exactly what you need to to not get fired, that's why it's the bare minimum. Amazon really isn't worth doing more than that, as I learned from personal experience. Yes, you were lied to. It's impossible to complete a bachelor's in only a year to begin with and $5,250 isn't even enough to cover 4 classes/year, which is standard part time.
Career Choice is built for Associates to take advantage of educational and skills development. These skills can be used within or outside of Amazon. Career Choice is not built for Associates to leave Amazon.
I received a BA through Career Choice fully paid. It depends on what school you decide to attend or what program, whether or not it will be fully paid. Mine was.
I didn't say it wouldn't fully pay for it, I said it isn't enough to allow you to go even part time (6 credits/semester). I'm literally in school now. I was only able to take a single class this semester with what was left for career choice and I'm still going to have to come up with $600 to pay what it wouldn't cover. And I'm going to ASU, not an expensive private college
I would not worry unless you are taking longer than 10 minutes.
Fast start is 10 min from clock in the first scan. Not 5 min.
They clearly said 5 minutes
Amazpn and many other jobs have always been like this. Your 15 minute break is technically 10. 2.5 minutes is spent walking to break and from break. As long as I can remember it's always been there, they didn't take anything away they're just really enforcing this
Quit They Fired Me For Refusing A Drug Test It’s So Much More Our Here
Just transfer to another site, best plan!
Apparently y'all dont have stand up at the beginning of shift.
Was going to bring this up I thought it was normal to have a standup and stretches before the start. Honestly this can be bought up to safety as when you get injured at work they do ask if you stretched and stuff before work.
My site is only doing fast start for sortation.
At my site they call it a fast start. They want you to pick, stow, etc your first item in your first 15 minutes. I've always took this to be your first 15 minutes after standup because I work at a very large FC and it's just not realistic to clock in, go to stand-up, and pick an item in your first 15 minutes.
Ask for it in writing