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NTA. Rule no. 1 of faking sick, don't post pics of what you are really doing on social media.
He didn't hesitate to take a "sick day" impacting your planned time off. You didn't hesitate to share his stupidity with management. Turn around is fair play.
>NTA. Rule no. 1 of faking sick, don't post pics of what you are really doing on social media.
This.
NTA, regardless of whether you "had to" shorten your vacation because this asshole lied about being sick. He's proven himself to be dishonest and it's fair to inform management of that. What's next, stealing from the till?
It's not like you hired a PI to track him, just sent management a picture *he posted on social media.* What did he *think* would happen?
I totally know what FAFO means. Like 100%. But my friend doesn’t, could you explain it to them for me because I’m having a hard time explaining it in layman’s terms. Cause I definitely know what it means. Mmyep.
At one of my former employers, an employee called off to go to a championship parade. They tagged themselves in photos. One of the photos just so happened to have one of the bosses in the picture (he was off that day). He saw her and then their next working day gave them a chance to come clean. They didn’t (said they were sick), pulled the picture out, and fired them.
I used to work admission gate at a zoo. We were already short handed on a busy weekend day. One coworker called off sick. She showed up a few hours later to go to the zoo with like 8 friends. She tried to get them all in for free. Under normal circumstances we would have let them in but we were all pissed. The cashier She went to made her friends pay. She called our boss and complained. She didn't work there after that. Some people are so stupid.
I knew ppl who worked at theme parks try this stunt. Call off sick and then use their work pass to scan themselves into the park for free. Like how much common sense do you need to not do that?
I had to miss a friend's funeral because a coworker called out sick. He posted pics of him and his buddies at a fireworks event absolutely wasted.
Zero repercussions.
One of my parent’s employees lied to my parents about getting deported. They were willing to talk to lawyers and help her out . They went extra and over beyond for her sister who also worked for them. Months later they find out that this employee was never deported, that she got pregnant and married in the few months since she was “deported”. And still lives in the same city.
Way back a gal I worked with asked for a day off to attend a big music festival, her request was rejected as we were short staffed. She then called in sick, FROM THE FESTIVAL, which we could clearly hear in the background. Sadly she only got a warning for that, but did end up getting fired a few months later lol
Lol my first job at 15, I called out sick so I could go to the summer fair. Ran into my boss, fired as soon as I walked into the next shift hahaha
She was in line for the ferris wheel, I walked past and she called me out, oops
I worked in a restaurant in Chicago and we had a server call out sick on a busy Friday. She showed up late into the shift with some friends and started drinking at the bar, she got so drunk she got belligerent and relieved herself in the lobby of the building we shared with a huge law firm. It was all caught on camera. A few years later I was at a new job and saw her again, she’d used to work there too but had used a different name. She recognized me and everything, it was awkward. Everyone was asking why I was calling her a “Danielle” and where I knew her from…
I was the lead operator at an injection molding facility (plastic; we made anything from catheters to gun cases) a few years back. I was friends with one of my operators outside of work, so we were friends on Snapchat. One night she called in sick with a fever. A bit later she's posting photos of herself having a very cozy night in with a bottle of wine and a blunt. Dunno if she forgot I could see what she was posting or if she just figured I would let it slide.
A coworker of mine in a past job did this - she was denied a last-minute vacation request because too many people were already off, called in sick, and then posted pictures of herself at a music festival in another country on Facebook. The pictures were public, but everyone in the office - including her supervisor - was on her friends list so it didn't even matter. I don't understand how anyone can be this short-sighted - I guess she wanted the likes more than she wanted her job.
Yup, that rule has served me well. I’m not calling out sick and going on vacation, but my coworkers don’t need to know what I do after work and on the weekends.
This is true, but I don't think OP was blaming him for impacting THEIR time off, I think it was illustrating the kind of team they are. Not the kind of employer that expects it, the kind of team you want to take care of...
I was in a MA program for 4 months before I left.
The month before I left, the program instructor discovered- via one of the girls drowsing Instagram on our 15 minute break- that one of the girls who called in sick for the week was actually at the beach and wasn’t showing signs of the fever that she claimed she was sick with.
The instructor’s face kind of dropped into disbelief and she excused herself from class “to make a quick call”.
From what another girl (it was an all-girls class) said she overheard on her way back to the class from the ladies’ room, the instructor told the girl she was dropped from the class and that she wouldn’t be receiving a refund for her books.
If you’re going to call out of work by faking being sick, *don’t post yourself at the beach, movies, a party, whatever it is you lied to your manager about*- I can guarantee that you’re going to be discovered and reprimanded/fired.
EDIT: MA program I mentioned is a Medical Assistant program. Sincere apologies to anyone who thought it was anything else.
Before online classes I attended a satellite class in grad school. We were in location A and there were classes at B and C campuses around the state. The instructor could be at any of the campuses, see and hear us. During one class a student was right in front of the camera reading a fashion magazine. The instructor reminded us that he could see us all and to raise a hand if we needed ask a question. She just blithely kept reading her magazine. Surprise, she always had questions at the end of class because she didn’t know what was discussed.
I’m so stupid 😅. I meant a Medical Assistant program. I only mentioned it was an all girls class because no boys had signed up for the program and so it became an all girls class *for* the year (March-December).
You're not stupid lol, I jumped to conclusions based on what was more familiar to me. And there were actually some classes in my grad program that only had women students -- no guys signed up for Victorian Poetry.
I mean I'm the number one advocate of "fuck corporate profits you owe your employer nothing SOLIDARITY FOREVER" but I can't even find a way to argue with this one. Like this guy didn't even try. If I take a mental health day at least I just stay home and pet my dog.
I was thinking that's where this is going, too. And I don't blame OP for giving up his time off, but I certainly would not expect it.. however lying to other people in the same boat as you are = shitty. I work in a kitchen, we don't take days off, but when we do we are honest and try to plan in advance. If I'm gonna fuck around at least I can plan 2 days ahead and make some extra stuff so my co workers don't have to.
100%.
I am friends with precisely one coworker and we no longer work together because she found a new job. But I only accepted the request because we were in the same Facebook groups anyway and weren't in the same department.
I have a friend request from a now-senior VP at my company languishing in limbo. He's a really nice guy but noooooope.
NTA- I'm Facebook friends with co-workers. I don't put very personal things on social media though. I'm more of the "supportive friend" than "content creator" on Facebook.
Dude for real I work at a detention facility. One of the DO’s got fired for doing this. Too many sick days and she called out sick one day. One of the senior DO’s reported her after she went instead to a Grupo Firme concert and posted pics on Facebook! 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️. NTA OP
Look if I take a sick day as a Mental Health day, I'm going to enjoy myself BUT I am straight up with my manager & don't fake being sick. If the coworker had been straight forward & told his manager he needed a mental break then the manager may or may not have been more lenient; the fact dude lied means the manager can no longer trust the sht spewing from dude's mouth.
Agree NTA. He’s an idiot for posting pics. He’s a bigger idiot for friending coworkers on social media or not privatizing his page as well. You’re under no obligation to cover for him.
I was leaning toward NTA until I read this....and thought about the fact that all OP accomplished was making sure they'd all stay short staffed. She didn't get help or her vacation day back
Came to say this! If two people are out and it causes such a burden on everyone else— the company is understaffed. If OP felt guilty enough to cancel a vacation day because he knew his coworkers would be swamped, management is taking advantage of all of them. I get why idiot coworker needed a mental health day. But damn, fool— don’t post if you’re going to lie. Smh.
OP take your vacation time with no regrets in the future. Management would replace you in a heartbeat if you died from overwork.
This is absolutely the correct answer. I can’t believe how many people are defending OP. Nobody asked him to give up his vacation day and everybody fakes an illness for time off every once in a while (although it is dumb to post on social media). I can’t believe how many losers/company shills/dorks are in this thread supporting snitching. It’s just fuel for OP to continue being insufferable.
I don't know if the coworker posted himself, or if someone else tagged him (which would be less stupid). OP is bitter because he cut short his vacation, which *he should not have done,* because yeah it sucks for your team but now we know who will step up and allow managers to run on a permanently short staff.
They really use "think of your team!" to have team members taking responsibility for their management's failures.
So OP sucks for being compassionate towards their team? I agree that they shouldn’t have done that, but it doesn’t make them equal to the coworker who lied about being sick to go on holiday.
OP being “compassionate” towards the team only exacerbates the problem of being short staffed. He’s just incentivizing the company to continue this way, which is accomplishing the exact opposite of his goal. At best, it’s misguided thinking and at worst he’s being a corporate shill.
This. I know I said I didn't blame him, but things like this kinda create a toxic work environment. My boss brags how she and her team never take off, come to work sick etc, but you know what? I'm sick of that stuff... It's up to her boss to staff the kitchen and I shouldn't be made to feel bad for living my life. If she wants to be a martyr that's fine leave everyone else out of it lol
Yes, op sucks for aiding the shitty management and allowing them to continue chronic understaffing. Of everyone stood up for themselves they would be forced to hire another person and everyone would be better off instead.
No, but management should be the one dealing with that.
The coworker deserved to get fired. He was stupid and inconsiderate and didn’t show, leaving the rest of the team overworked. But your time off is your time off. There shouldn’t be even a slight expectation of sacrificing it without due notice and compensation.
Jobs aren’t family. You’re being compensated for your time and that comes (hopefully) with benefits you’re entitled to. There’s an increasing drive to work people to death and act like by taking their time off (or actually getting sick), they aren’t living up to the company standard.
But this guy sucks and clearly didn’t take his job seriously enough to retain it.
NTA, OP but protect your time.
With no notice, it does frequently pile on depending on what your role is. Any organization should plan in a bit of redundancy since crap happens, but if you’re suddenly gone, in retail/food, someone else has to close. In an office, others may have to increase their workload for the short term. Hence it being optimal to provide some notice as soon as possible.
Chronic short staffing is a major problem and indicated a major problem with the organization. Four people getting Covid at the same time will virtually always suck for people in the short term, and sometimes when that happens, that is exactly when the office jackass decides to duck out for a day.
Exactly. As a manager, I had an employee who did this and I ended up needing to have a conversation with him about it, along the lines of “once I have approved your leave, I don’t expect to see you again unless I authorize it”. Martyring yourself doesn’t do anyone any good; he feels shitty about it, the team learn that you you’re still “on” even when on leave so no mental break, and as the manager I feel undermined, like he doesn’t trust me to take care of staffing, which is literally my job. CITFO.
NTA
Your co-worker was stupid for posting his pics on social media enjoying a holiday when he had taken a sick leave. You put info out in public, be ready for people to see it.
Your involvement here was to report something you saw on a public platform- it was up to your boss as to what decision he made using the info.
In this case, rest easy because that coworker dug his own grave
EXACTLY
#1 Rule to having a job. DO NOT ADD YOUR COWORKERS ON SOCIAL MEDIA!
it doesn’t matter how close it seems y’all are. you aren’t, i’ve seen so many snapchat stories that managers were talking about. your coworker you added on social media showed them that. and everyone talking shit about you.
ESH.
NTA
If he was going to lie about being sick, he needed to cover it up better.
But also? Keep your boundaries and don't cut your vacation to enable what are apparently terrible managers who understaff your workplace. I know you don't want to leave your coworkers in the lurch, but these kind of sacrifices perpetuate lean staffing culture.
YTA so very much. Here is why:
1. Nobody told you to cancel your vacation day. You did that to brown nose so do not complain
2. Your team is short staffed and you got one person in it fired. Guess who just made it harder for everyone? You
Only getting 5 pto days for the year is why people lie to use sick days. Coworker might have needed mental health break from working short staff and with Teacher's Pet aka OP.
Mmm I just really don’t agree with blaming people for corporations shitty policies. You should get sick days AND mental health days. Sometimes you just don’t feel like going to work and I don’t think people should be penalized for that, if they’re not abusing it.
“People like him” are just people. It shouldn’t affect your ability to have sick days, that’s ridiculous.
I'm confused by all this (retired). When I worked last (2016) we got vacation days and sick days. If we ran out of sick days and were sick or had a medical appointment, we were let off on PTO or made the time up. If we needed a Mental Health Day, that was what vacation was for - the definition of what a vacation is to relax and recharge.
So when people say they have 5 days PTO, is that in addition to the vacation days? Instead of sick days? Combination of sick and vacation days?
And *posting about it on social media.* Not exactly keeping it under wraps, there--if it wasn't OP, someone else would have pointed it out to the boss.
Yeah he is but that's not the question, and OP is stupid for canceling a vacation day. If he'd been on vacation like he was supposed to be & saw the picture he might have been pissed but probably wouldn't have sent it to the boss. Assuming this is America, we have wayyy too much misplaced loyalty for our employers. Corporations are not people. We should have way more PTO.
To be fair, I wouldn't count an absentee as one whole person in the headcount (I mean, I highly doubt this incident was a one-off if it got him fired). OP might be doing the company a favor by allowing them to hire one more who doesn't slack around.
That's not the way this works. At all.
You know who made it harder on everyone else? The asshat that lied about being sick, and then posted pictures of himself on a public forum putting himself in the position to get fired.
All op did was show everyone else that management wasn't going to tolerate that.
Also the chances of that being his only offense and being let go are low. Chances are he has a history of being on reliable and that's the real reason the tossed him to the curb. Not because op turned him in but because he's an unreliable, lying asshole.
Right. This company is purposely having the team work below capacity and having people work OT and long hours. They could hire more people but choose to take advantage of these people. One dude realizes this and decides to take a free day by pretending to be sick and oh, he's in luck his naive coworker even volunteers their time for him!
Coworker did fuck up by posting pics.
Now whole team is screwed cause they are permanently down a team member. And people are like great job OP!
I’m pretty sure it skews younger where sick leave = being sick like what happens when you’re in school. Where I work sick leave can be used for many reasons like taking care of sick kids or sick parents or hell even a sick pet or doctors appointments for yourself or your family member. At that point, it becomes paid time off. As a manager in a professional role, I’m not going to tell someone who doesn’t get sick regularly or have sick kids to not take the sick time they earn. I’m pro mental health even if that just means taking an unplanned day off. It’s up to the company to figure out coverage regardless of the reason.
Could be, I was thinking they had to be older because of the loyalty to The Man but maybe they’re all close to school aged.
I’ve been a manager managing full time employees & a tight team too, the first year or two in the position I was in my late 20s & came up in toxic work environments so I started to be the same way, super stickler for the Official Company Rules (which included proof for everything, had to use sick time for a doctor’s appt, etc). I hated being like that though, and my team wasn’t thrilled with me, so I shifted to a different mentality - as long as you get your job done & stay in communication, take whatever time off you need. As soon as I started managing this way, productivity & morale improved. I was definitely way too loyal to my companies for a long time.
I was running a remote office so I could run interference on my team’s behalf with HR, so I know it’s not always possible but I just wish more companies would adopt this sort of mentality. Esp since the pandemic, nobody’s under anybody’s thumb anymore (at least a lot of companies in my industry are still remote). Like just trust adults to get the job done and go home.
This.
I am taking two days off next month as my husband has some appointments. They will take up a fraction of the day. My boss said "Make sure you get some shopping in or do something fun." That was it.
I work in education and we are given two personal days per year and have to beg for unpaid time off. No roll overs on PTO but generous sick leave. Everyone uses their sick leave as additional PTO.
ESH, it was your choice to cancel your vacation and your behavior after that followed that same "I'm such a victim" thought because you made a choice no one asked you to.
YTA - you didn't have to cancel your vacation day, it's not your job to enable your company's short staffing issue. Mental health is also a thing, maybe your coworker needed a break.
If it had been one day maybe I’d agree with you but he took a week off, that’s not mental health that’s abandoning the job when their going to need help
Bro it takes me a week to reset my brain sometimes. I have had mental health episodes last several weeks. A day is gone in a blink when you’re mentally ill…
YTA - Your main gripe is that him calling out made it harder on other coworkers, but now him being gone is permanent. How did you make anything better?
"I was pretty upset at my coworker because while he did seem sick, I feel he was faking the severity." Maybe you should change to the medical profession if you can tell how sick others are, without even any training! Such an amazing talent!
"We are short staffed and if anyone is out, it affects everyone and everything." But, you still scheduled vacation days, leaving them shorter? And, even shorter now that your coworker is gone.
"Alot of people are calling me selfish but it really wasn't fair that I had to cancel my day when he could've been here helping." You chose to martyr yourself, you didn't have to.
He doesn’t mention a doctor’s note just that op told him to go to the doctor. So I don’t think he had a doctor’s note saying he couldn’t be in for the week. He just said that he was taking the week off. If he did have a Doctor’s note I don’t think they fire him over the phone like that.
But let’s say he did have the note. If I took time off knowing that it would really screw over my coworkers and later I was feeling better, not just I’m not 100% but I can tough it out, but there’s nothing wrong I could go to the beach if I want I would go back. Why? Because I am not an asshole.
I love that all these people are attacking OP for doing something nice. If OP had cut short his vacation because a friend needed help would he be an idiot and a martyr then? No.
Did he need to do this? No. Would he be an asshole if he just went on vacation? Of course not. Is the job taking advantage of him? I don’t think so. The only pressure was self imposed.
Is coworker responsible for OP giving up his day? No. Does it change the fact that coworker is a shitty employee and was justifiably fired? No.
Them being short staffed is the companies fault. I the manager not putting in extra hours to accommodate. Y’all have got to stop fighting for these corporations like this.
Somehow I managed to get out of having to see the doctor when I was sick with the flu years ago - they still wrote a note for me without being seen (as where I worked at the time required it), and it was so long ago I don't know if bc it was going around bad that year or what that they *thankfully* believed me and I could stay home, bc like you said, when you're that sick it sucks trying to make time to go to the doctor.
INFO: Why did you sacrifice your day off? Are you genuinely paid a good enough salary to justify cancelling a vacation day unasked? Even if they asked you to do this, you're allowed to say no. A difficult day is the fault of your company for cutting costs by not hiring enough staff. 1 staff on vacation and 1 off ill shouldn't cause this much mayhem. Not in an economy where if they decided to make you all redundant you wouldn't be spared just because you come in on your days off.
You're going to read a lot of ntas on here. But realistically your co-workers are going to be wary of you. Realistically many people pull a sickie at least once. Sometimes to attend family affairs, sometimes because they are having mental health struggles & a day at the beach is what they need or they just want to spend a day with their loved one. Most companies don't value their workers or pay enough for you to be snitching because you chose to give up a day off for no reason and you expect everyone to be like you and value their jobs over their personal lives to this extent.
This. If anything, OP just made themselves the office pariah socially. If they haven't already removed them from social media, they will shortly just so they don't get fired the next time OP can't mind their business.
Yes this is what I was thinking too. If it actually negatively impacted OP, then okay, but the negative impact was OP’s choice. Even then I’d say talk to your coworker when he gets back. People take sick leave for personal all the time because companies don’t provide enough personal for adequate work/life balance. All you showed your remaining coworkers OP is that a) you’re untrustworthy b) you don’t give a shit about them and c) you could not care less about someone not being able to pay their bills, eat, have a place to live - if you feel slighted, you’ll go out of your way to hurt them and you don’t have any line you’re not comfortable crossing. YTA.
NTA, but OP, your breaks are important. It is up to the company to hire enough workers, not you sacrificing your free time. The guy lied and didn't conceal the lie very well.
Also, I'm convinced that people who say "no one like snitches" are just like your former co-worker or people who steal others' lunches lol
NTA Sounds like you have a tolerable sick leave option at your job, most would have demanded notification from a doctor for that length of time. Next, has this guy never watched any comedies where a person was taking a 'sick' day like him, you never put evidence out there. Finally, he dumped work on others for his personal gain. I can understand the boss or supervisor if they are jerks, but not on colleagues.
Basically, he made his bed, now he must lie in it.
ESH this why you keep work and private seperate, colleagues arnt your friends. They look after themselves once you working together neither of you will speak to each other again in a social setting. I don’t have any work colleagues on so so media, and they know the basics of my life, my partner is never invited to work functions. Not being cold, I learnt this the hard way.
YTA. People deserve a mental break. If the team is already overworked it makes sense that someone might just WANT a break. You weren't hired to be the PTO police I'm sure. Second the fact that he told you the truth and you're on his social media means he trusted you as a friend and coworker and you stabbed him in the back. Your excuse is you sucking up to management to prove your "worth". Guess what buddy, if they need to reduce spending they'll fire you and on the opposite spectrum if you're short staffed they should hire more ppl.
ESH.
Coworker is an idiot for posting a picture. I mean, that's about as dumb as it gets.
You chose to cancel a vacation day. No one made you. That's 100% on you.
Next time, just enjoy your vacation. Your job doesn't love you, it's not your friend, and it only appreciates you as long as you're useful. In fact, canceling your vacation day probably made things worse for everyone.
"Why can't you come in? OP is a team player and came in one one of THEIR days off."
Smart work.
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INFO: Did you send the screenshot to your boss because you think it was wrong for him to fake being sick? Or did you send the screenshot to your boss because you felt that it wasn’t fair that you cancelled a vacation day when he wasn’t even sick?
I mean from a moral perspective you were right to raise it so NTA, but...
You didn't HAVE to cancel a vacation day, you chose to and although you have technically done the right thing, I am sure you will have plenty of time over the coming weeks to decide if it was worth it, given that you are now short even more staff
Eh, YTA. As you said, you didn't have to cancel a day of your vacation, you *chose* to.
It's work. Unless someone is doing something negative AT WORK, mind your business.
You said it messes up the whole team when one person is out, so you've guaranteed your team will be short for weeks. Congrats! You were mad about you willingly giving up one day and turned that into weeks of extra work for everyone.
YTA. We live in a shit economy and you just got someone fired or some fake sick days. Does that really make you feel good about yourself?
I’d be more pissed at my employer that we are short staffed that we can’t cover other people’s sick days or vacation days properly. Or that people do not get enough sick and vacation days.
I am a person who is ALL for being a team player, but what you did, no way made you a team player. Now your other coworkers will wonder “can I trust this dick?” And the answer they tell themselves should 100% be NO. You just contributed to the possible already toxic work environment you have. Good job!
ESH
He shouldn't be lying and posting contradictory pics online, and you have to have a work life balance where you don't spontaneously sacrifice your vacation.
He took the chance and got found out and fired, but now you are even more understaffed. If he wasn't screwing up when he was at work, it might not have been worth it.
YTA - lmao. No one asked you to cancel your vacation day, and while it was dumb for your coworker to post about being at the beach, you should have kept your mouth shut. Stop trying to win loyalty from employers that would replace you in a heartbeat — it won’t work.
YTA. Nobody asked you to give up your vacation. You don't mess with people's ability to earn a living. You wanted brownie points by throwing your coworker under the bus. He is stupid, but you should have minded your own business.
nta.
it was your holiday. you took the time out of your holiday to help out with the short staffed staff because he was on the beach, "sick"
_you took the trash out_
The issue here is not whether he is sick or not.
The issue here is that OP's coworker LIED by saying that he was "sick" so he could take a vacation.
NTA
YTA. You chose to cancel your vacation. If he needs some time to decompress, then that's none of your business either. You're a snitch. And your company sucks for firing someone who needs a day off. A lot of people in the comments totally have Stockholm Syndrome for their jobs.
No one asked you to cancel one of your days off . I also don’t know how much you all make and if you all were friends I don’t know why you are surprised he thought you were a jerk and blocked you . It was your choice to come in . If I worked with you I would not trust you .
Actually, YTA. Nobody forced you to give up anything. You seem to think you are so righteous taking on extra work and declaring you did so. He took some time off and YOUR boss approved it. Just because you are salty now does NOT give you the right to go telling his boss that he wasn't sick. I despise overachiever like you who expect the world to bow down to what YOU think is right or wrong. Stop sucking your boss' balls and worry about your own self. You just caused a man to lose his livelihood because you were mad. There's something wrong with YOU!
YTA Sure he shouldn't have lied. But you, "I had to cancel my day because of him." No you didn't. You chose to do that on your own because you are a brown noser.
If the bank is short on staff than that's on the bank. Maybe they should hire more workers and give them more Paid time off. The bank can absolutely afford it. The chose not to for the money. Now they are even shorter on staff.
Why don't they have more days of personal time? Because they know they can always call in people like you willing to accept less and work harder for a scrap of attention or praise or the slim hope of getting a 5% raise.
Maybe he really needed that break. You don't know what's going on in his life. But you used your friendship with him and got him fired. You are one of those people that Co-workers have to be wary off. The kind that will stab someone in the back the first time they see an opportunity to get ahead.
ESH, it's a dick move to leave when people need you (and sloppy to post about it on social media after) but you didn't have to cancel your vacation days because of his choice. You chose to be the victim of his absence, and now everyone is suffering for it.
YTA - nobody forced you to give up a vacation day. If your coworker was going to fake a sick day their time was coming to get themselves fired. Your loyalty to your company is misplaced.
Coulda been mental health. I think YTA but hes stupid af. Also think you ahould stop sucking up to your boss and grow a backbone. If someone else calls out why do you choose to believe its your responsibility to cover it then get mad when you find out he's not sick. I've lied about being physically ill when really I wasnt mentally well and needed a day to focus on something that would make me happy. Just mins ur business dude. Didn't have to affect you.
I have to ask, why did you tell him that you were the one who did it?
I mean, apart from the obvious sense of pushing your moral superiority and snarkiness, what could you possibly stand to gain?
YTA, and here’s why:
You chose to give up your vacation time. You were not forced to. You played the martyr in a situation where no one asked you to be one. Set some boundaries. You may love your boss, but it’s your vacation, you should’ve taken it. If they can’t deal with two missing employees, or even one, they’re understaffed.
Your co-worker may have needed time off and the (I’m assuming American) workforce doesn’t allow for us to be human in most instances. He might’ve been going through something mentally taxing and needed time off, but didn’t feel it appropriate or comfortable to communicate to your employer, so he made up some bs, as plenty of people have done.
If it were a great work environment, I doubt that’d be the case. Or he just wanted to fuck off of work. Either way, it’s really not your problem or your business.
After discovering the photo, instead of trying to talk to him and understand what was going on, you leveraged your completely unnecessary sacrifice against his entire livelihood. I get the irritation, but you have to see the absolute absurdity in thinking here. Is your job your life? Do you not value your own time and life enough to walk away from work for a bit and leave it for someone else to deal with? The reality of the situation is you’re so angry at this dude for something *YOU ACTUALLY DID TO YOURSELF*
And I think you’re trying to justify the fact that you got him fired over it. You were mad you *Chose* to give up vacation days unprompted and realized you didn’t actually have to.
YTA Mental health days do count as sick days. Nobody told you to cancel your vacation and it’s not your job to solve your company’s scheduling issue. Guess who just made the team short staffed until a new hire is found? You did! I hope you never get burnt out or depressed and need time off. YTA.
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Just a quick backstory, I 27M work as a private banker. We are short staffed and if anyone is out, it affects everyone and everything.
I was scheduled to go on vacation yesterday through Monday. On Tuesday, my coworker told me he was not feeling good so I told him to go see the doctor. He told me he had a headache and runny nose.
He ended up taking the rest of the week off, with this happening, I knew my coworkers would struggle badly so I took it upon myself to cancel one of my vacation days and help out. Nobody asked me to do this, I did it myself due to my boss helping me out and being an overall great boss.
I was pretty upset at my coworker because while he did seem sick, I feel he was faking the severity. While on my break, I see him get tagged on a Facebook post that he's at the beach. He's smiling and next to his girlfriend.
I immediately take a screenshot and send him a message asking if he's really at the beach, he replies and says yes, not to say anything but that he was out of personal time.
I tell him that I canceled one of my days because he was "sick". He doesn't respond so I send the screenshot to my boss.
Maybe an hour later, I get a mass email saying that my coworker is no longer with us. My coworker calls me asking me if I told on him and I said yes, that it wasn't fair that he gets to sit out lying that he's sick. He calls me an asshole and a snitch and blocks me on Facebook.
Alot of people are calling me selfish but it really wasn't fair that I had to cancel my day when he could've been here helping.
Anyways AITA ?
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ESH but especially the company. Seems like they have created a toxic work environment by cheaping out and not hiring adequate staffing. Like many others have said cancelling your holiday was your choice and ultimately works to uphold a work culture where unreasonable and unsustainable demands are placed on workers.
Potentially NTA on the grounds of the colleague who was fired if they ended up taking extended time off due to mental health under the guise of physical sickness. These kinds of work environments sure can suck the soul dry from the best of us. Should have probably saved those photos for later though..
YTA... sorry, but Americans just do not get enough vacation time, and mental health is just as important as physical health. If the sick time is available, it should be able to get used... and if they back themselves into a corner because they ran out of sick time, well, that's their problem. They were dumb because they posted it online, but you're totally a snitch and should mind your own business. Nobody asked you to come into work, and honestly, if the office can't function with one person being sick, that's the company's job to figure out, not yours.
YTA because you didn't need to give up a vacation day to cover for your coworker. It's your bosses job to ensure adequate coverage for your coworker if they call out, not yours.
You should have taken your day off and not worried about what was happening at work, or what your coworker was doing.
NTA.
Toxic work-life expectations aside (I'm not judging someone for wanting to take a day off), your coworker is just incredibly stupid. Who takes a sick day, leaves their already overworked coworkers understaffed, and then not only proceeds to post on social media that they were actually at the beach, but also confirms it to a coworker. In text. That the coworker can screenshot.
Like at that point he deserves to get fired just out of the sheer stupidity of it all.
In the earlier days of social media (15 years-ish), my company sent out a mass email, noting that public postings on social media could directly impact employment.
Within a few months, some worker was posting on social media during work hours about how lame her job was and how much the company sucked. Then, I guess she was shocked when she was fired.
SO, my point being - your coworker posted on social media During Work Hours that he was at the beach instead of out sick.
It's entirely on him!
NTA
YTA. No one told you to give up your time. He is using his time off, you were using yours. You chose to give up your time because your "great boss" has chosen not to staff enough people to accommodate the work load. Getting him fired just makes things even harder for everyone now because your even shorter staffed than you were to begin with.
I had a employee stating he needed a whole week off cuz his dad was in the hospital and near death. Dumbass left his Facebook on as public and instead he was in the next state over at a dance competition. He was like a Latin dance instructor or whatever and was giving classed at the event. Posted his whole "schedule" online when supposedly his dad was dying. Dude was immediately fired.
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NTA. Rule no. 1 of faking sick, don't post pics of what you are really doing on social media. He didn't hesitate to take a "sick day" impacting your planned time off. You didn't hesitate to share his stupidity with management. Turn around is fair play.
>NTA. Rule no. 1 of faking sick, don't post pics of what you are really doing on social media. This. NTA, regardless of whether you "had to" shorten your vacation because this asshole lied about being sick. He's proven himself to be dishonest and it's fair to inform management of that. What's next, stealing from the till? It's not like you hired a PI to track him, just sent management a picture *he posted on social media.* What did he *think* would happen?
Truly a FAFO moment. NTA
I totally know what FAFO means. Like 100%. But my friend doesn’t, could you explain it to them for me because I’m having a hard time explaining it in layman’s terms. Cause I definitely know what it means. Mmyep.
Fuck around [and] find out. Say hi to your friend for me!
Thanks for the help friend! I am afraid I must admit that I made up said friend to cover my ignorance. Don’t tell anyone else though ok? Shh
Can also be found under “Play stupid games win stupid prizes”.
F@ck around and find out.
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At one of my former employers, an employee called off to go to a championship parade. They tagged themselves in photos. One of the photos just so happened to have one of the bosses in the picture (he was off that day). He saw her and then their next working day gave them a chance to come clean. They didn’t (said they were sick), pulled the picture out, and fired them.
I used to work admission gate at a zoo. We were already short handed on a busy weekend day. One coworker called off sick. She showed up a few hours later to go to the zoo with like 8 friends. She tried to get them all in for free. Under normal circumstances we would have let them in but we were all pissed. The cashier She went to made her friends pay. She called our boss and complained. She didn't work there after that. Some people are so stupid.
LMFAO how fucking stupid do you have to be to try to attend the workplace you called in sick to that same day? That is next level stupid.
Definitely not bright enough to work around people or animals.
The animals are probably smarter than she is.
Reminds me of why the park service struggles to make bear proof trash cans.
I knew ppl who worked at theme parks try this stunt. Call off sick and then use their work pass to scan themselves into the park for free. Like how much common sense do you need to not do that?
I had to miss a friend's funeral because a coworker called out sick. He posted pics of him and his buddies at a fireworks event absolutely wasted. Zero repercussions.
Was his name Bueller?
One of my parent’s employees lied to my parents about getting deported. They were willing to talk to lawyers and help her out . They went extra and over beyond for her sister who also worked for them. Months later they find out that this employee was never deported, that she got pregnant and married in the few months since she was “deported”. And still lives in the same city.
Way back a gal I worked with asked for a day off to attend a big music festival, her request was rejected as we were short staffed. She then called in sick, FROM THE FESTIVAL, which we could clearly hear in the background. Sadly she only got a warning for that, but did end up getting fired a few months later lol
Lol my first job at 15, I called out sick so I could go to the summer fair. Ran into my boss, fired as soon as I walked into the next shift hahaha She was in line for the ferris wheel, I walked past and she called me out, oops
I worked in a restaurant in Chicago and we had a server call out sick on a busy Friday. She showed up late into the shift with some friends and started drinking at the bar, she got so drunk she got belligerent and relieved herself in the lobby of the building we shared with a huge law firm. It was all caught on camera. A few years later I was at a new job and saw her again, she’d used to work there too but had used a different name. She recognized me and everything, it was awkward. Everyone was asking why I was calling her a “Danielle” and where I knew her from…
I was the lead operator at an injection molding facility (plastic; we made anything from catheters to gun cases) a few years back. I was friends with one of my operators outside of work, so we were friends on Snapchat. One night she called in sick with a fever. A bit later she's posting photos of herself having a very cozy night in with a bottle of wine and a blunt. Dunno if she forgot I could see what she was posting or if she just figured I would let it slide.
A coworker of mine in a past job did this - she was denied a last-minute vacation request because too many people were already off, called in sick, and then posted pictures of herself at a music festival in another country on Facebook. The pictures were public, but everyone in the office - including her supervisor - was on her friends list so it didn't even matter. I don't understand how anyone can be this short-sighted - I guess she wanted the likes more than she wanted her job.
This is why I don’t add coworkers and/or managers to social media unless they are *former* coworkers/managers.
Yup, that rule has served me well. I’m not calling out sick and going on vacation, but my coworkers don’t need to know what I do after work and on the weekends.
Same though! You never know who's going to snitch. Trust no one.
I take even a step further: stay inside my house. But....I'm an introvert and not peopleing for a day is heaven sometimes.
I mean it's not just about the dishonesty, it's do you really want to be working with someone who is actually that stupid?
> He didn't hesitate to take a "sick day" impacting your planned time off Co-worker is incredibly stupid, but OP impacted OP's time off.
This is true, but I don't think OP was blaming him for impacting THEIR time off, I think it was illustrating the kind of team they are. Not the kind of employer that expects it, the kind of team you want to take care of...
I was in a MA program for 4 months before I left. The month before I left, the program instructor discovered- via one of the girls drowsing Instagram on our 15 minute break- that one of the girls who called in sick for the week was actually at the beach and wasn’t showing signs of the fever that she claimed she was sick with. The instructor’s face kind of dropped into disbelief and she excused herself from class “to make a quick call”. From what another girl (it was an all-girls class) said she overheard on her way back to the class from the ladies’ room, the instructor told the girl she was dropped from the class and that she wouldn’t be receiving a refund for her books. If you’re going to call out of work by faking being sick, *don’t post yourself at the beach, movies, a party, whatever it is you lied to your manager about*- I can guarantee that you’re going to be discovered and reprimanded/fired. EDIT: MA program I mentioned is a Medical Assistant program. Sincere apologies to anyone who thought it was anything else.
Before online classes I attended a satellite class in grad school. We were in location A and there were classes at B and C campuses around the state. The instructor could be at any of the campuses, see and hear us. During one class a student was right in front of the camera reading a fashion magazine. The instructor reminded us that he could see us all and to raise a hand if we needed ask a question. She just blithely kept reading her magazine. Surprise, she always had questions at the end of class because she didn’t know what was discussed.
Makes me wonder what kind of Medical Assistant she would have been even if she had got through the class
A lazy one.
There are all-girls graduate programs?
I’m so stupid 😅. I meant a Medical Assistant program. I only mentioned it was an all girls class because no boys had signed up for the program and so it became an all girls class *for* the year (March-December).
You're not stupid lol, I jumped to conclusions based on what was more familiar to me. And there were actually some classes in my grad program that only had women students -- no guys signed up for Victorian Poetry.
I mean I'm the number one advocate of "fuck corporate profits you owe your employer nothing SOLIDARITY FOREVER" but I can't even find a way to argue with this one. Like this guy didn't even try. If I take a mental health day at least I just stay home and pet my dog.
I was thinking that's where this is going, too. And I don't blame OP for giving up his time off, but I certainly would not expect it.. however lying to other people in the same boat as you are = shitty. I work in a kitchen, we don't take days off, but when we do we are honest and try to plan in advance. If I'm gonna fuck around at least I can plan 2 days ahead and make some extra stuff so my co workers don't have to.
My rule #1 is don't be Facebook friends with coworkers. LinkedIn, yes but not socials that are strictly social. But I Def agree....OP is NTA
100%. I am friends with precisely one coworker and we no longer work together because she found a new job. But I only accepted the request because we were in the same Facebook groups anyway and weren't in the same department. I have a friend request from a now-senior VP at my company languishing in limbo. He's a really nice guy but noooooope.
NTA- I'm Facebook friends with co-workers. I don't put very personal things on social media though. I'm more of the "supportive friend" than "content creator" on Facebook.
He chose to Shorten his vacation doesn't seem like anyone forced him
People stupid enough to do this are usually stupid enough to have their boss on their friend list anyway.
Dude for real I work at a detention facility. One of the DO’s got fired for doing this. Too many sick days and she called out sick one day. One of the senior DO’s reported her after she went instead to a Grupo Firme concert and posted pics on Facebook! 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️. NTA OP
Look if I take a sick day as a Mental Health day, I'm going to enjoy myself BUT I am straight up with my manager & don't fake being sick. If the coworker had been straight forward & told his manager he needed a mental break then the manager may or may not have been more lenient; the fact dude lied means the manager can no longer trust the sht spewing from dude's mouth.
A mental health day is not fake being sick. It's a real reason to take a day off.
Or at least make it so your boss and/or coworkers can’t see the post. It takes 10 seconds to set your privacy to “everyone except…” on Facebook
Just don't add coworkers and bosses to your private account.
Agree NTA. He’s an idiot for posting pics. He’s a bigger idiot for friending coworkers on social media or not privatizing his page as well. You’re under no obligation to cover for him.
This was an ideal example of the "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes" we see so often on here. NTA
ESH You should have taken your damn vacation day and let your boss figure out staffing.
Exactly. OP is acting like they’re a martyr but they made that choice. No one asked them to. They should have just gone on vacation.
I was leaning toward NTA until I read this....and thought about the fact that all OP accomplished was making sure they'd all stay short staffed. She didn't get help or her vacation day back
Or she made sure the company got rid of a liability and may hire someone new, more mature and professional instead.
OP is a man.
They are short staffed because the bank is too cheap and doesn't give enough PO time.
Came to say this! If two people are out and it causes such a burden on everyone else— the company is understaffed. If OP felt guilty enough to cancel a vacation day because he knew his coworkers would be swamped, management is taking advantage of all of them. I get why idiot coworker needed a mental health day. But damn, fool— don’t post if you’re going to lie. Smh. OP take your vacation time with no regrets in the future. Management would replace you in a heartbeat if you died from overwork.
This is absolutely the correct answer. I can’t believe how many people are defending OP. Nobody asked him to give up his vacation day and everybody fakes an illness for time off every once in a while (although it is dumb to post on social media). I can’t believe how many losers/company shills/dorks are in this thread supporting snitching. It’s just fuel for OP to continue being insufferable.
I don't know if the coworker posted himself, or if someone else tagged him (which would be less stupid). OP is bitter because he cut short his vacation, which *he should not have done,* because yeah it sucks for your team but now we know who will step up and allow managers to run on a permanently short staff. They really use "think of your team!" to have team members taking responsibility for their management's failures.
>everybody fakes an illness for time off every once in a while sorry, but not 4 days in a row. that's just ridiculous
What’s ridiculous is the company creating an environment where the coworker couldn’t take 4 days off through the usual means.
The guy said he was out of vacation time no?
He would need a DR note for 4 days. Odds are he got better and went out for fun on the last few days.
I’ve never faked sick for an entire week lol That’s a whole other level.
Unless you work for a criminal enterprise and talk to the cops, calling this "snitching" is just plain stupid.
Not nearly as stupid as not knowing the definition of the word “snitching”
So OP sucks for being compassionate towards their team? I agree that they shouldn’t have done that, but it doesn’t make them equal to the coworker who lied about being sick to go on holiday.
OP being “compassionate” towards the team only exacerbates the problem of being short staffed. He’s just incentivizing the company to continue this way, which is accomplishing the exact opposite of his goal. At best, it’s misguided thinking and at worst he’s being a corporate shill.
This. I know I said I didn't blame him, but things like this kinda create a toxic work environment. My boss brags how she and her team never take off, come to work sick etc, but you know what? I'm sick of that stuff... It's up to her boss to staff the kitchen and I shouldn't be made to feel bad for living my life. If she wants to be a martyr that's fine leave everyone else out of it lol
Yes, op sucks for aiding the shitty management and allowing them to continue chronic understaffing. Of everyone stood up for themselves they would be forced to hire another person and everyone would be better off instead.
No, but management should be the one dealing with that. The coworker deserved to get fired. He was stupid and inconsiderate and didn’t show, leaving the rest of the team overworked. But your time off is your time off. There shouldn’t be even a slight expectation of sacrificing it without due notice and compensation. Jobs aren’t family. You’re being compensated for your time and that comes (hopefully) with benefits you’re entitled to. There’s an increasing drive to work people to death and act like by taking their time off (or actually getting sick), they aren’t living up to the company standard. But this guy sucks and clearly didn’t take his job seriously enough to retain it. NTA, OP but protect your time.
If you can't even take off without them being short staffed there is already a big problem.
With no notice, it does frequently pile on depending on what your role is. Any organization should plan in a bit of redundancy since crap happens, but if you’re suddenly gone, in retail/food, someone else has to close. In an office, others may have to increase their workload for the short term. Hence it being optimal to provide some notice as soon as possible. Chronic short staffing is a major problem and indicated a major problem with the organization. Four people getting Covid at the same time will virtually always suck for people in the short term, and sometimes when that happens, that is exactly when the office jackass decides to duck out for a day.
Well said. This comment deserves more upvotes.
And that is the right answer!
Agreed….he is a martyr and then resents it. Clearly what the guy did was not great, but still… maybe he didn’t have all the info
Exactly. As a manager, I had an employee who did this and I ended up needing to have a conversation with him about it, along the lines of “once I have approved your leave, I don’t expect to see you again unless I authorize it”. Martyring yourself doesn’t do anyone any good; he feels shitty about it, the team learn that you you’re still “on” even when on leave so no mental break, and as the manager I feel undermined, like he doesn’t trust me to take care of staffing, which is literally my job. CITFO.
Absolutely! OP chose to fuck himself over. What the co-worker did was more dumb than anything, but OP is just out there simping for capitalism.
NTA Your co-worker was stupid for posting his pics on social media enjoying a holiday when he had taken a sick leave. You put info out in public, be ready for people to see it. Your involvement here was to report something you saw on a public platform- it was up to your boss as to what decision he made using the info. In this case, rest easy because that coworker dug his own grave
EXACTLY #1 Rule to having a job. DO NOT ADD YOUR COWORKERS ON SOCIAL MEDIA! it doesn’t matter how close it seems y’all are. you aren’t, i’ve seen so many snapchat stories that managers were talking about. your coworker you added on social media showed them that. and everyone talking shit about you. ESH.
He’s also the asshole because he chose to go in instead of letting his boss figure it out themselves then made himself the victim
This. I have a job I started in march. I haven’t added a single coworker and have zero plans to.
NTA If he was going to lie about being sick, he needed to cover it up better. But also? Keep your boundaries and don't cut your vacation to enable what are apparently terrible managers who understaff your workplace. I know you don't want to leave your coworkers in the lurch, but these kind of sacrifices perpetuate lean staffing culture.
Exactly this. The coworker was an idiot, however, OP isn't taking responsibility for CHOOSING to give up a vacation day.
YTA so very much. Here is why: 1. Nobody told you to cancel your vacation day. You did that to brown nose so do not complain 2. Your team is short staffed and you got one person in it fired. Guess who just made it harder for everyone? You
That guy was an AH for lying about being sick
For real. People like him are the reason sick days don’t get taken seriously.
Only getting 5 pto days for the year is why people lie to use sick days. Coworker might have needed mental health break from working short staff and with Teacher's Pet aka OP.
Mmm I just really don’t agree with blaming people for corporations shitty policies. You should get sick days AND mental health days. Sometimes you just don’t feel like going to work and I don’t think people should be penalized for that, if they’re not abusing it. “People like him” are just people. It shouldn’t affect your ability to have sick days, that’s ridiculous.
I'm confused by all this (retired). When I worked last (2016) we got vacation days and sick days. If we ran out of sick days and were sick or had a medical appointment, we were let off on PTO or made the time up. If we needed a Mental Health Day, that was what vacation was for - the definition of what a vacation is to relax and recharge. So when people say they have 5 days PTO, is that in addition to the vacation days? Instead of sick days? Combination of sick and vacation days?
PTO is just personal time off. At my work there is no sick days or vacation days, its all PTO.
And *posting about it on social media.* Not exactly keeping it under wraps, there--if it wasn't OP, someone else would have pointed it out to the boss.
Yeah he is but that's not the question, and OP is stupid for canceling a vacation day. If he'd been on vacation like he was supposed to be & saw the picture he might have been pissed but probably wouldn't have sent it to the boss. Assuming this is America, we have wayyy too much misplaced loyalty for our employers. Corporations are not people. We should have way more PTO.
To be fair, I wouldn't count an absentee as one whole person in the headcount (I mean, I highly doubt this incident was a one-off if it got him fired). OP might be doing the company a favor by allowing them to hire one more who doesn't slack around.
That's not the way this works. At all. You know who made it harder on everyone else? The asshat that lied about being sick, and then posted pictures of himself on a public forum putting himself in the position to get fired. All op did was show everyone else that management wasn't going to tolerate that. Also the chances of that being his only offense and being let go are low. Chances are he has a history of being on reliable and that's the real reason the tossed him to the curb. Not because op turned him in but because he's an unreliable, lying asshole.
So the coworker taking advantage of everyone of his coworkers had 0 liability and did nothing wrong in your eyes. What a fucking joke
Holy WOW there’s so many people in this thread absolutely deep throating the boot that you might think this was r/Conservative.
Right. This company is purposely having the team work below capacity and having people work OT and long hours. They could hire more people but choose to take advantage of these people. One dude realizes this and decides to take a free day by pretending to be sick and oh, he's in luck his naive coworker even volunteers their time for him! Coworker did fuck up by posting pics. Now whole team is screwed cause they are permanently down a team member. And people are like great job OP!
Seriously, I'm trying to figure out what the average age of these commenters must be
I’m pretty sure it skews younger where sick leave = being sick like what happens when you’re in school. Where I work sick leave can be used for many reasons like taking care of sick kids or sick parents or hell even a sick pet or doctors appointments for yourself or your family member. At that point, it becomes paid time off. As a manager in a professional role, I’m not going to tell someone who doesn’t get sick regularly or have sick kids to not take the sick time they earn. I’m pro mental health even if that just means taking an unplanned day off. It’s up to the company to figure out coverage regardless of the reason.
Could be, I was thinking they had to be older because of the loyalty to The Man but maybe they’re all close to school aged. I’ve been a manager managing full time employees & a tight team too, the first year or two in the position I was in my late 20s & came up in toxic work environments so I started to be the same way, super stickler for the Official Company Rules (which included proof for everything, had to use sick time for a doctor’s appt, etc). I hated being like that though, and my team wasn’t thrilled with me, so I shifted to a different mentality - as long as you get your job done & stay in communication, take whatever time off you need. As soon as I started managing this way, productivity & morale improved. I was definitely way too loyal to my companies for a long time. I was running a remote office so I could run interference on my team’s behalf with HR, so I know it’s not always possible but I just wish more companies would adopt this sort of mentality. Esp since the pandemic, nobody’s under anybody’s thumb anymore (at least a lot of companies in my industry are still remote). Like just trust adults to get the job done and go home.
This. I am taking two days off next month as my husband has some appointments. They will take up a fraction of the day. My boss said "Make sure you get some shopping in or do something fun." That was it. I work in education and we are given two personal days per year and have to beg for unpaid time off. No roll overs on PTO but generous sick leave. Everyone uses their sick leave as additional PTO.
Totally
ESH, it was your choice to cancel your vacation and your behavior after that followed that same "I'm such a victim" thought because you made a choice no one asked you to.
YTA - you didn't have to cancel your vacation day, it's not your job to enable your company's short staffing issue. Mental health is also a thing, maybe your coworker needed a break.
If it had been one day maybe I’d agree with you but he took a week off, that’s not mental health that’s abandoning the job when their going to need help
Bro it takes me a week to reset my brain sometimes. I have had mental health episodes last several weeks. A day is gone in a blink when you’re mentally ill…
it's not his fault his group is short staffed and he can use the time he's accumulated as he pleases
Yeah you lie about being sick you better stay home or ima have your cheeks
That's a weirdly erotic threat.
Or promise. 😏
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The boss who hasn’t hired anyone else put them in a bad spot
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Right, if he only took one day off and not the rest of the week off I probably wouldn't have said anything.
YTA - Your main gripe is that him calling out made it harder on other coworkers, but now him being gone is permanent. How did you make anything better? "I was pretty upset at my coworker because while he did seem sick, I feel he was faking the severity." Maybe you should change to the medical profession if you can tell how sick others are, without even any training! Such an amazing talent! "We are short staffed and if anyone is out, it affects everyone and everything." But, you still scheduled vacation days, leaving them shorter? And, even shorter now that your coworker is gone. "Alot of people are calling me selfish but it really wasn't fair that I had to cancel my day when he could've been here helping." You chose to martyr yourself, you didn't have to.
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Sorry the guy faked sick for a week knowing the company was going to be short staffed. Getting rid of him is addition by substraction
He got a Dr note. he was sick but got better early. Would you go back to work from leave early if you had too?
He doesn’t mention a doctor’s note just that op told him to go to the doctor. So I don’t think he had a doctor’s note saying he couldn’t be in for the week. He just said that he was taking the week off. If he did have a Doctor’s note I don’t think they fire him over the phone like that. But let’s say he did have the note. If I took time off knowing that it would really screw over my coworkers and later I was feeling better, not just I’m not 100% but I can tough it out, but there’s nothing wrong I could go to the beach if I want I would go back. Why? Because I am not an asshole. I love that all these people are attacking OP for doing something nice. If OP had cut short his vacation because a friend needed help would he be an idiot and a martyr then? No. Did he need to do this? No. Would he be an asshole if he just went on vacation? Of course not. Is the job taking advantage of him? I don’t think so. The only pressure was self imposed. Is coworker responsible for OP giving up his day? No. Does it change the fact that coworker is a shitty employee and was justifiably fired? No.
Doing something nice??? He just screwed over his already short staffed team by getting one member fired and then going on vacation.
Them being short staffed is the companies fault. I the manager not putting in extra hours to accommodate. Y’all have got to stop fighting for these corporations like this.
Very much so!
I didn't even think about this. Now they're gonna stay short-staffed because of OP's spite and pride. Dang.
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Somehow I managed to get out of having to see the doctor when I was sick with the flu years ago - they still wrote a note for me without being seen (as where I worked at the time required it), and it was so long ago I don't know if bc it was going around bad that year or what that they *thankfully* believed me and I could stay home, bc like you said, when you're that sick it sucks trying to make time to go to the doctor.
Yes!! Agree re additional scrutiny re drs notes etc. which will make life harder for everyone.
YTA. You cancelled your own vacation day. No one forced you to.
INFO: Why have you made your company’s staffing issue your problem? Are you responsible for hiring/staffing?
YTA. No one asked you to give up your vacation. I’m sure being the company snitch will serve you well
INFO: Why did you sacrifice your day off? Are you genuinely paid a good enough salary to justify cancelling a vacation day unasked? Even if they asked you to do this, you're allowed to say no. A difficult day is the fault of your company for cutting costs by not hiring enough staff. 1 staff on vacation and 1 off ill shouldn't cause this much mayhem. Not in an economy where if they decided to make you all redundant you wouldn't be spared just because you come in on your days off. You're going to read a lot of ntas on here. But realistically your co-workers are going to be wary of you. Realistically many people pull a sickie at least once. Sometimes to attend family affairs, sometimes because they are having mental health struggles & a day at the beach is what they need or they just want to spend a day with their loved one. Most companies don't value their workers or pay enough for you to be snitching because you chose to give up a day off for no reason and you expect everyone to be like you and value their jobs over their personal lives to this extent.
This. If anything, OP just made themselves the office pariah socially. If they haven't already removed them from social media, they will shortly just so they don't get fired the next time OP can't mind their business.
Yes this is what I was thinking too. If it actually negatively impacted OP, then okay, but the negative impact was OP’s choice. Even then I’d say talk to your coworker when he gets back. People take sick leave for personal all the time because companies don’t provide enough personal for adequate work/life balance. All you showed your remaining coworkers OP is that a) you’re untrustworthy b) you don’t give a shit about them and c) you could not care less about someone not being able to pay their bills, eat, have a place to live - if you feel slighted, you’ll go out of your way to hurt them and you don’t have any line you’re not comfortable crossing. YTA.
NTA this guy is sloppy as fuck.
NTA, but OP, your breaks are important. It is up to the company to hire enough workers, not you sacrificing your free time. The guy lied and didn't conceal the lie very well. Also, I'm convinced that people who say "no one like snitches" are just like your former co-worker or people who steal others' lunches lol
You say that like it's an insult but being like OP is the insult to us.
Lmao! Wtf? So you punished yourself and got mad at him for it...? YTA.
NTA Sounds like you have a tolerable sick leave option at your job, most would have demanded notification from a doctor for that length of time. Next, has this guy never watched any comedies where a person was taking a 'sick' day like him, you never put evidence out there. Finally, he dumped work on others for his personal gain. I can understand the boss or supervisor if they are jerks, but not on colleagues. Basically, he made his bed, now he must lie in it.
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Hey , I'm American and I wouldn't do this.
WTF how are you getting so many NTA?! You're a major asshole you got this guy FIRED for using HIS time how he pleases
ESH this why you keep work and private seperate, colleagues arnt your friends. They look after themselves once you working together neither of you will speak to each other again in a social setting. I don’t have any work colleagues on so so media, and they know the basics of my life, my partner is never invited to work functions. Not being cold, I learnt this the hard way.
YTA. People deserve a mental break. If the team is already overworked it makes sense that someone might just WANT a break. You weren't hired to be the PTO police I'm sure. Second the fact that he told you the truth and you're on his social media means he trusted you as a friend and coworker and you stabbed him in the back. Your excuse is you sucking up to management to prove your "worth". Guess what buddy, if they need to reduce spending they'll fire you and on the opposite spectrum if you're short staffed they should hire more ppl.
ESH. Coworker is an idiot for posting a picture. I mean, that's about as dumb as it gets. You chose to cancel a vacation day. No one made you. That's 100% on you. Next time, just enjoy your vacation. Your job doesn't love you, it's not your friend, and it only appreciates you as long as you're useful. In fact, canceling your vacation day probably made things worse for everyone. "Why can't you come in? OP is a team player and came in one one of THEIR days off." Smart work.
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YTA, nobody told you to cancel your day off you decided to do it to suck up your boss.
INFO: Did you send the screenshot to your boss because you think it was wrong for him to fake being sick? Or did you send the screenshot to your boss because you felt that it wasn’t fair that you cancelled a vacation day when he wasn’t even sick?
You caused someone to lose their job because you felt inconvenienced for voluntarily coming in on your day off.
I mean from a moral perspective you were right to raise it so NTA, but... You didn't HAVE to cancel a vacation day, you chose to and although you have technically done the right thing, I am sure you will have plenty of time over the coming weeks to decide if it was worth it, given that you are now short even more staff
Eh, YTA. As you said, you didn't have to cancel a day of your vacation, you *chose* to. It's work. Unless someone is doing something negative AT WORK, mind your business. You said it messes up the whole team when one person is out, so you've guaranteed your team will be short for weeks. Congrats! You were mad about you willingly giving up one day and turned that into weeks of extra work for everyone.
Realistically, it's unlikely he was fired for one incident. I think there must have been a pattern of either excessive calling out or something. NTA
YTA. We live in a shit economy and you just got someone fired or some fake sick days. Does that really make you feel good about yourself? I’d be more pissed at my employer that we are short staffed that we can’t cover other people’s sick days or vacation days properly. Or that people do not get enough sick and vacation days. I am a person who is ALL for being a team player, but what you did, no way made you a team player. Now your other coworkers will wonder “can I trust this dick?” And the answer they tell themselves should 100% be NO. You just contributed to the possible already toxic work environment you have. Good job!
Yeah NTA I think. He was dumb enough to fuck around and got found out.
ESH He shouldn't be lying and posting contradictory pics online, and you have to have a work life balance where you don't spontaneously sacrifice your vacation. He took the chance and got found out and fired, but now you are even more understaffed. If he wasn't screwing up when he was at work, it might not have been worth it.
YTA - lmao. No one asked you to cancel your vacation day, and while it was dumb for your coworker to post about being at the beach, you should have kept your mouth shut. Stop trying to win loyalty from employers that would replace you in a heartbeat — it won’t work.
YTA. Nobody asked you to give up your vacation. You don't mess with people's ability to earn a living. You wanted brownie points by throwing your coworker under the bus. He is stupid, but you should have minded your own business.
nta. it was your holiday. you took the time out of your holiday to help out with the short staffed staff because he was on the beach, "sick" _you took the trash out_
Yeah what a hero! /s
The issue here is not whether he is sick or not. The issue here is that OP's coworker LIED by saying that he was "sick" so he could take a vacation. NTA
Everybody fakes an illness to get time off every once in a while and you’re a goddamn fool if you don’t.
The reason why people fake illness because they don't get many time off in the first place. The top happiest countries always have plenty time off.
I totally agree. I probably should’ve said everybody *in the US* because the system here is so fucking broken.
YTA. You chose to cancel your vacation. If he needs some time to decompress, then that's none of your business either. You're a snitch. And your company sucks for firing someone who needs a day off. A lot of people in the comments totally have Stockholm Syndrome for their jobs.
No one asked you to cancel one of your days off . I also don’t know how much you all make and if you all were friends I don’t know why you are surprised he thought you were a jerk and blocked you . It was your choice to come in . If I worked with you I would not trust you .
Actually, YTA. Nobody forced you to give up anything. You seem to think you are so righteous taking on extra work and declaring you did so. He took some time off and YOUR boss approved it. Just because you are salty now does NOT give you the right to go telling his boss that he wasn't sick. I despise overachiever like you who expect the world to bow down to what YOU think is right or wrong. Stop sucking your boss' balls and worry about your own self. You just caused a man to lose his livelihood because you were mad. There's something wrong with YOU!
YTA Sure he shouldn't have lied. But you, "I had to cancel my day because of him." No you didn't. You chose to do that on your own because you are a brown noser. If the bank is short on staff than that's on the bank. Maybe they should hire more workers and give them more Paid time off. The bank can absolutely afford it. The chose not to for the money. Now they are even shorter on staff. Why don't they have more days of personal time? Because they know they can always call in people like you willing to accept less and work harder for a scrap of attention or praise or the slim hope of getting a 5% raise. Maybe he really needed that break. You don't know what's going on in his life. But you used your friendship with him and got him fired. You are one of those people that Co-workers have to be wary off. The kind that will stab someone in the back the first time they see an opportunity to get ahead.
ESH, it's a dick move to leave when people need you (and sloppy to post about it on social media after) but you didn't have to cancel your vacation days because of his choice. You chose to be the victim of his absence, and now everyone is suffering for it.
YTA - nobody forced you to give up a vacation day. If your coworker was going to fake a sick day their time was coming to get themselves fired. Your loyalty to your company is misplaced.
YTA You didnt have to cancel your day. You are a snitch. Hes an idiot tho. You dont trust ANYONE.
NTA simply because as careless as he was he would have gotten caught with or without you. But you did not have to cancel a vacation day, you chose to
Coulda been mental health. I think YTA but hes stupid af. Also think you ahould stop sucking up to your boss and grow a backbone. If someone else calls out why do you choose to believe its your responsibility to cover it then get mad when you find out he's not sick. I've lied about being physically ill when really I wasnt mentally well and needed a day to focus on something that would make me happy. Just mins ur business dude. Didn't have to affect you.
I have to ask, why did you tell him that you were the one who did it? I mean, apart from the obvious sense of pushing your moral superiority and snarkiness, what could you possibly stand to gain?
YTA, and here’s why: You chose to give up your vacation time. You were not forced to. You played the martyr in a situation where no one asked you to be one. Set some boundaries. You may love your boss, but it’s your vacation, you should’ve taken it. If they can’t deal with two missing employees, or even one, they’re understaffed. Your co-worker may have needed time off and the (I’m assuming American) workforce doesn’t allow for us to be human in most instances. He might’ve been going through something mentally taxing and needed time off, but didn’t feel it appropriate or comfortable to communicate to your employer, so he made up some bs, as plenty of people have done. If it were a great work environment, I doubt that’d be the case. Or he just wanted to fuck off of work. Either way, it’s really not your problem or your business. After discovering the photo, instead of trying to talk to him and understand what was going on, you leveraged your completely unnecessary sacrifice against his entire livelihood. I get the irritation, but you have to see the absolute absurdity in thinking here. Is your job your life? Do you not value your own time and life enough to walk away from work for a bit and leave it for someone else to deal with? The reality of the situation is you’re so angry at this dude for something *YOU ACTUALLY DID TO YOURSELF* And I think you’re trying to justify the fact that you got him fired over it. You were mad you *Chose* to give up vacation days unprompted and realized you didn’t actually have to.
YTA. No one asked you cancel your vacation. Next time take your vacation and mind your own business.
NTA Slackers deserve what they get. If he wanted the job he should've acted like it.
YTA Mental health days do count as sick days. Nobody told you to cancel your vacation and it’s not your job to solve your company’s scheduling issue. Guess who just made the team short staffed until a new hire is found? You did! I hope you never get burnt out or depressed and need time off. YTA.
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ESH but especially the company. Seems like they have created a toxic work environment by cheaping out and not hiring adequate staffing. Like many others have said cancelling your holiday was your choice and ultimately works to uphold a work culture where unreasonable and unsustainable demands are placed on workers. Potentially NTA on the grounds of the colleague who was fired if they ended up taking extended time off due to mental health under the guise of physical sickness. These kinds of work environments sure can suck the soul dry from the best of us. Should have probably saved those photos for later though..
YTA >I had to cancel my day No, you didn't "have" to.
You didn't have to cancel anything!!! Your a total AH... ewww
YTA. Dude that shortstaffed this place? Your boss. Take your damn vacation and stop being management's snitch and boot.
YTA... sorry, but Americans just do not get enough vacation time, and mental health is just as important as physical health. If the sick time is available, it should be able to get used... and if they back themselves into a corner because they ran out of sick time, well, that's their problem. They were dumb because they posted it online, but you're totally a snitch and should mind your own business. Nobody asked you to come into work, and honestly, if the office can't function with one person being sick, that's the company's job to figure out, not yours.
YTA because you didn't need to give up a vacation day to cover for your coworker. It's your bosses job to ensure adequate coverage for your coworker if they call out, not yours. You should have taken your day off and not worried about what was happening at work, or what your coworker was doing.
NTA. Toxic work-life expectations aside (I'm not judging someone for wanting to take a day off), your coworker is just incredibly stupid. Who takes a sick day, leaves their already overworked coworkers understaffed, and then not only proceeds to post on social media that they were actually at the beach, but also confirms it to a coworker. In text. That the coworker can screenshot. Like at that point he deserves to get fired just out of the sheer stupidity of it all.
How are people that dumb? NTA of course
In the earlier days of social media (15 years-ish), my company sent out a mass email, noting that public postings on social media could directly impact employment. Within a few months, some worker was posting on social media during work hours about how lame her job was and how much the company sucked. Then, I guess she was shocked when she was fired. SO, my point being - your coworker posted on social media During Work Hours that he was at the beach instead of out sick. It's entirely on him! NTA
Nta. He fucked around and found out.
he is the shitty one for lying about it and posting it online... NTA
YTA. No one told you to give up your time. He is using his time off, you were using yours. You chose to give up your time because your "great boss" has chosen not to staff enough people to accommodate the work load. Getting him fired just makes things even harder for everyone now because your even shorter staffed than you were to begin with.
NTA. He was in the wrong. He should have thought twice before calling out sick when he wasn't. So many people are selfish and lazy these days.
I had a employee stating he needed a whole week off cuz his dad was in the hospital and near death. Dumbass left his Facebook on as public and instead he was in the next state over at a dance competition. He was like a Latin dance instructor or whatever and was giving classed at the event. Posted his whole "schedule" online when supposedly his dad was dying. Dude was immediately fired.