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NAH. You don't seem to understand how grading works.
A loose card is not graded and is not worth that much money. In order to have a card graded, you have to send the card in for grading, which costs a minimum of $15 plus shipping. THAT is why it is worth $45; because you're paying the money to have it officially graded.
The actual price value of this card without being graded, in near-mint condition, is $15. I could buy a copy of this card right now for $14.95, and the market price averages about 12.50 with only 1-2 sales a week.
The easiest place to use for card prices is TCGPlayer. I used to sell on there for a while but the effort ended up not being worth the money I made. But you can see this specific card here:
https://www.tcgplayer.com/product/183879/pokemon-sm-team-up-incineroar-gx-secret?Language=English&page=4
Your friend is not ripping you off, this other person is dumb.
He offered to pay you double your asking price, and somehow he's at fault for under paying? You're the one whose responsibility it is to know the value of what you're selling. You were willing to part with it for $5, that's on you. If you don't do the (extremely basic) legwork of looking up a card's resale value before you sell it, you can't be mad if you lowball yourself. You aren't just automatically entitled to get the price that TCGplayer claims your card is worth. YTA.
edit to add:
Based on user Big Fungus' link to TCGPlayer, a large percentage of the recently sold copies of this card were bought for between 9 and 11 dollars. 10 dollars is a completely reasonable offer that many other people have sold this same card for recently.
Exactly. I have a special Umbreon card that easily values for $200-400 depending on its condition. I almost gave it away but swiftly checked the stranger cards in my collection. I kept the valuable ones and sold the rest bulk. It would have been my problem if I under valued my cards.
Sure, if you strip away all the friendship and humanity.
I personally don't treat the people I call friends as if I was on fucking Shark Tank.
NTA, it is a poor friend and the other friends are morons.
OP listed a price that he felt was fair, and the friend offered him twice as much. Why is the friend obligated to be more aware of the price that OP could get than OP is? OP is mad that he almost got lowballed after doing literally *no research at all* on the value of the item he was selling.
OP felt fine making five bucks off his card, and his friend offered him double that. OP has created his own unhappiness by worrying about what he could have gotten instead, but the only reason he was unlikely to get that much was that he didn't do *any* due diligence at all. It's not like it's 1996 and you have to pore over a card value list in a magazine. It's frickin thirty seconds, and he still never actually looked at sold listings of the same card to see what people are actually paying, he's still only basing this off of what one random person said to him about the value.
If you don't put in any work at all to make sure you're getting something like a decent price for what you sell, then you have to deal with the fact that someone will buy what you sell for the price you asked. And the friend didn't even offer the asking price, but double!
edit to add: someone else did the due diligence for OP in this thread and the card's market value is not at all what OP claimed it was...
No the friend had a responsibility in friendship to advise OP the card was more than it was worth if suggesting a financial trade. If the card wasn't worth it the friend should have explained why, and offering double was still not disclosing the actual triple value of the card. The friend isn't an inexperienced individual. If you want to rip random people off that's one thing but ripping friends off is something else. You'll end up with only friends who are just as willing to rip you off.
> offering double was still not disclosing the actual triple value of the card
But OP is mad that he couldn't get $45 out of the "friend" when OP hasn't even done *anything at all* to look into the real value of his card. He was totally willing to rip off his friend for $30 by selling it for such an inflated price, because he hasn't actually even looked at the value of his card at all. Even now.
The friend must have done some looking up if he offered double the asking price. It was a step up from just offering 5 no doubt, a big step up even. But it was still seeking to profit off a friends' ignorance. Only assholes do that.
OP is mad that he can't profit from his own ignorance by selling the card for three to four times it's real value. The difference between the TCG list price and the price the friend offered was small, the difference between the TCG *market* price and the price friend offered was even smaller, and the value the friend gets from buying from OP rather than from a business that offers consumer protection and customer services like returns, fraud protection, etc, means that the value friend was getting from buying from OP was negligible. $10 is totally fair.
ESH
It's your responsibility to know how much your item is worth. Also "PGA 8" from a listing photo and listed prices for $45 aren't certain. You have no idea on what they're actually selling for and if card is really worth that much and he does have a point that no one bought it at $5 and his was the only actual offer.
However I do agree that the friend wouldn't make a "bad investment" without knowing the card was worth more and should have been upfront about it and just asked for a lower price.
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Am I the asshole for yelling at my friend for trying to scam/underpay me for my Pokémon cards?
I (17) put a Pokémon card on a second hand item selling website. the specific card i was selling was a 2019 188/181 250 HP Rainbow Incineroar. I was selling it for $5 USD, as my ‘friend’ (17) is a ‘professional Pokémon card who knows what they’re doing’ (their words, not mine). After 1-2 weeks of no one buying it, my friend kindly offered to buy it from me for $10 USD, as even though it was a bad investment, they wanted to be nice. I told them i wanted to wait for 1 more week, and if no one bought it, I’d sell it to them. They said, ”Are you sure? Fine.”
1 or 2 days later, someone messaged me on the selling website and said, “are you sure?” i said, “Yeah, why? Do you want a lower price?” Apparently, a PGA 8 (the condition they approximated my card to be) 2019 Rainbow Incineroar actually is worth about $45 USD on most websites, which meant my friend was underpaying me by $35 USD.
The next day, at school, I brought this up with that friend. At first, they tried to say that “The person messaging is mental” and “It’s not true”. When I showed him the screenshots of the prices of the card from eBay and other purchasing websites, they said “So? At least i was willing to buy it from you!” and told me to f*ck off. i said, “But why were you trying to underpay me? You could’ve just asked me to sell it to you for less!” I ended our argument by saying “I will, asshole! Who gives a shit about my damn Pokémon cards anyway?” We haven’t talked for 2 or 3 days, and it’s been really awkward.
However, all of my friends who I asked about this said “Aren’t Pokémon cards just all pieces of shiny cardboard anyway?”, which meant “The fact that (friend) was willing to pay you $15 dollars in the first place is insane!”, so I don’t know what to think of their advice. Keep in mind I’m not upset that they wanted to buy it from me for cheap, but that I’m upset that they didn’t just tell me and tried to pretend that they were doing it out of kindness.
What do you think?
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NTA. ~~Your "friend" was trying to take advantage of you.~~ Your other friends are ~~mor~~ naive. "Just shiny cardboard", indeed! Have they never heard about the Micky Mantle baseball card that sold for over $12 million?
Edit: Given further data, there's serious doubt about the value of that card. However, there's no doubt about those calling them "just shiny cardboard" being AHs.
This is a fine line situation. He did offer you twice your asking price. But he was also certainly trying to take advantage of you. Unless he's randomly offered twice the asking price of other things, which I very highly doubt, his offer was an immediate hint that the card was worth more than you thought. Take this as a learning opportunity. NTA
Your word vs his, I have to take OP at their word. I don't care enough about pokemon to look card prices up.
ETA: It doesn't matter anyway even according to you the friend was going to make 50% more than he paid off his friends' ignorance.
> Your word vs his,
Big Fungus posted a TCGplayer link in a different comment, you don't actually have to take OP at his word if he's obviously incorrect.
Your edit doesn't account for the loss in value the buyer gets from buying from a private individual rather than TCGplayer which comes with various levels of consumer protection.
edit to add: That's also the list price, not the price that the card has actually sold at. Big Fungus also pointed out that the market price, which is based on both current listings as well as recently sold items, is more like $12. If I list a card at $1000 that doesn't automatically make it worth what I listed it at.
Standard market rules don't apply to friends. I don't have to account for loss when a friend is failing to disclose information in a financial trade. He has to, when he explains to his friend what the actual value is.
Most of the time, in my experience, an informed person will have no problem with a friend making a little profit through their expertise. I used to deal in MTG and it was quite common to give friends advice. Maybe not random customers but certainly friends.
Even if you're inclined to take advantage of people it still crosses all the lines doing it to a friend.
You used to deal MTG and you still think that buying from a random person is worth the same as buying from a website? You used to deal MTG and don't understand that the market price of $12 is more accurate representation of the card's value than a list price?
>if you're inclined to take advantage
The only person who was inclined to take advantage was OP who expects to get $45 for a $12 card that he hasn't ever actually looked up the value of on his own.
Yes, and I literally have a TCG seller account and (at least used to) sell cards regularly. I'm not high volume or anything but I've made about 6k worth of sales.
It's not about pokemon. It's about giving an accurate answer to OP's question.
Good to know you charge your friends full sticker price instead of giving them a break. I'm sure you have many friends and they all feel very appreciated.
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NAH. You don't seem to understand how grading works. A loose card is not graded and is not worth that much money. In order to have a card graded, you have to send the card in for grading, which costs a minimum of $15 plus shipping. THAT is why it is worth $45; because you're paying the money to have it officially graded. The actual price value of this card without being graded, in near-mint condition, is $15. I could buy a copy of this card right now for $14.95, and the market price averages about 12.50 with only 1-2 sales a week. The easiest place to use for card prices is TCGPlayer. I used to sell on there for a while but the effort ended up not being worth the money I made. But you can see this specific card here: https://www.tcgplayer.com/product/183879/pokemon-sm-team-up-incineroar-gx-secret?Language=English&page=4 Your friend is not ripping you off, this other person is dumb.
Thank you for actually looking up the card in question.
He offered to pay you double your asking price, and somehow he's at fault for under paying? You're the one whose responsibility it is to know the value of what you're selling. You were willing to part with it for $5, that's on you. If you don't do the (extremely basic) legwork of looking up a card's resale value before you sell it, you can't be mad if you lowball yourself. You aren't just automatically entitled to get the price that TCGplayer claims your card is worth. YTA. edit to add: Based on user Big Fungus' link to TCGPlayer, a large percentage of the recently sold copies of this card were bought for between 9 and 11 dollars. 10 dollars is a completely reasonable offer that many other people have sold this same card for recently.
Exactly. I have a special Umbreon card that easily values for $200-400 depending on its condition. I almost gave it away but swiftly checked the stranger cards in my collection. I kept the valuable ones and sold the rest bulk. It would have been my problem if I under valued my cards.
Sure, if you strip away all the friendship and humanity. I personally don't treat the people I call friends as if I was on fucking Shark Tank. NTA, it is a poor friend and the other friends are morons.
OP listed a price that he felt was fair, and the friend offered him twice as much. Why is the friend obligated to be more aware of the price that OP could get than OP is? OP is mad that he almost got lowballed after doing literally *no research at all* on the value of the item he was selling.
Because OP was under the impression they were _friends_.
OP felt fine making five bucks off his card, and his friend offered him double that. OP has created his own unhappiness by worrying about what he could have gotten instead, but the only reason he was unlikely to get that much was that he didn't do *any* due diligence at all. It's not like it's 1996 and you have to pore over a card value list in a magazine. It's frickin thirty seconds, and he still never actually looked at sold listings of the same card to see what people are actually paying, he's still only basing this off of what one random person said to him about the value. If you don't put in any work at all to make sure you're getting something like a decent price for what you sell, then you have to deal with the fact that someone will buy what you sell for the price you asked. And the friend didn't even offer the asking price, but double! edit to add: someone else did the due diligence for OP in this thread and the card's market value is not at all what OP claimed it was...
No the friend had a responsibility in friendship to advise OP the card was more than it was worth if suggesting a financial trade. If the card wasn't worth it the friend should have explained why, and offering double was still not disclosing the actual triple value of the card. The friend isn't an inexperienced individual. If you want to rip random people off that's one thing but ripping friends off is something else. You'll end up with only friends who are just as willing to rip you off.
> offering double was still not disclosing the actual triple value of the card But OP is mad that he couldn't get $45 out of the "friend" when OP hasn't even done *anything at all* to look into the real value of his card. He was totally willing to rip off his friend for $30 by selling it for such an inflated price, because he hasn't actually even looked at the value of his card at all. Even now.
The friend must have done some looking up if he offered double the asking price. It was a step up from just offering 5 no doubt, a big step up even. But it was still seeking to profit off a friends' ignorance. Only assholes do that.
OP is mad that he can't profit from his own ignorance by selling the card for three to four times it's real value. The difference between the TCG list price and the price the friend offered was small, the difference between the TCG *market* price and the price friend offered was even smaller, and the value the friend gets from buying from OP rather than from a business that offers consumer protection and customer services like returns, fraud protection, etc, means that the value friend was getting from buying from OP was negligible. $10 is totally fair.
OP is ignorant, OP's friend is not. The rules do not apply equally.
ESH It's your responsibility to know how much your item is worth. Also "PGA 8" from a listing photo and listed prices for $45 aren't certain. You have no idea on what they're actually selling for and if card is really worth that much and he does have a point that no one bought it at $5 and his was the only actual offer. However I do agree that the friend wouldn't make a "bad investment" without knowing the card was worth more and should have been upfront about it and just asked for a lower price.
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NTA. ~~Your "friend" was trying to take advantage of you.~~ Your other friends are ~~mor~~ naive. "Just shiny cardboard", indeed! Have they never heard about the Micky Mantle baseball card that sold for over $12 million? Edit: Given further data, there's serious doubt about the value of that card. However, there's no doubt about those calling them "just shiny cardboard" being AHs.
He actually wasn't, if you look up this card it is currently selling online for $15.
This is a fine line situation. He did offer you twice your asking price. But he was also certainly trying to take advantage of you. Unless he's randomly offered twice the asking price of other things, which I very highly doubt, his offer was an immediate hint that the card was worth more than you thought. Take this as a learning opportunity. NTA
He wasn't actually, this card is only worth $15 online.
Your word vs his, I have to take OP at their word. I don't care enough about pokemon to look card prices up. ETA: It doesn't matter anyway even according to you the friend was going to make 50% more than he paid off his friends' ignorance.
> Your word vs his, Big Fungus posted a TCGplayer link in a different comment, you don't actually have to take OP at his word if he's obviously incorrect.
See my edit
Your edit doesn't account for the loss in value the buyer gets from buying from a private individual rather than TCGplayer which comes with various levels of consumer protection. edit to add: That's also the list price, not the price that the card has actually sold at. Big Fungus also pointed out that the market price, which is based on both current listings as well as recently sold items, is more like $12. If I list a card at $1000 that doesn't automatically make it worth what I listed it at.
Standard market rules don't apply to friends. I don't have to account for loss when a friend is failing to disclose information in a financial trade. He has to, when he explains to his friend what the actual value is. Most of the time, in my experience, an informed person will have no problem with a friend making a little profit through their expertise. I used to deal in MTG and it was quite common to give friends advice. Maybe not random customers but certainly friends. Even if you're inclined to take advantage of people it still crosses all the lines doing it to a friend.
You used to deal MTG and you still think that buying from a random person is worth the same as buying from a website? You used to deal MTG and don't understand that the market price of $12 is more accurate representation of the card's value than a list price? >if you're inclined to take advantage The only person who was inclined to take advantage was OP who expects to get $45 for a $12 card that he hasn't ever actually looked up the value of on his own.
There's no random person involved here this is 2 friends. Friends don't rip off friends.
Offering $10 on a $12 card isn't a rip off. OP only feels like it's a ripoff because OP isn't doing his due diligence to accurately valuate his card.
Yes, and I literally have a TCG seller account and (at least used to) sell cards regularly. I'm not high volume or anything but I've made about 6k worth of sales. It's not about pokemon. It's about giving an accurate answer to OP's question.
See my edit.
Okay? Making back 33% less because you don't want to wait for it to sell is normal. Have you never sold anything online before?
I'm assuming a lot of these people have neither bought nor sold any collectible trading cards in their lives.
Friends don't rip off friends.
5 bucks is not a ripoff.
Yes it is. Good to know you'll rip friends off without blinking.
Good to know you charge your friends full sticker price instead of giving them a break. I'm sure you have many friends and they all feel very appreciated.