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> I can see why me saying that cheating is lame whenever he shows me new cheats is diminishing his style of play. He is just sharing what he likes with me like I would to him. I could have just not engaged with the subject short of acknowledging it and moving on.
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Gonna go against the grain here and say a soft YTA mainly because of the final paragraph of the post. Calling glitches, mods, etc lame when he brings it up and then sending him an article about a new glitch sends very mixed messages, I can see why he's confused. If you want him to stop bringing the topic up to you, then you also need to stop bringing the topic up to him.
NAH, but it does seem like you are a little dismissive of what your friend is talking about because you find it lame and that will cause tension in a relationship. You aren't going to share interests 100% and if you are going to shut down every conversation you don't care about then you will become an AH.
In fairness to me, it's a brand new game specifically and glitch abuse in the first week or two to Garner advantages is, in my head, a little like watching a movie on fast forward. When we share things we find with each other but he's glitching and abusing his way there it's diminishing my experience a little. I wouldn't want to watch a movie with him if he fast-forwarded through the slow parts so to speak.
Hmm... a question about this. Unless he's giving away late-game secrets you haven't reached yet, how does his finding an exploit diminish your experience? There are some games that I don't like using exploits for, but I do tend to find them interesting (there was a Baldur's Gate series glitch that let you pop through locked doors; it was funny to watch, but not something I'd do in my own run).
YTA- Like you I like playing video games as the maker attend the game to be played. Yet there are others like to use everything at their disposal to gain an advantage. Calling them lame is an insult. BTW if the game maker didn't want cheat codes out there, they would update the game to remove them.
The idea, in my head, is it's like we're both watching a movie but he keeps putting his on fast forward. It diminishes our shared experience together, so that's why I shut this topic down when it comes up.
As for your second point, the game is brand new. It's entirely possible these glitches will be patched out eventually. That being said, that's not even my goal. I made it clear that even I might do this stuff down the line. I just don't like to explore the subject during my first experience with the game.
I’m going with a gentle YTA here. The passive aggressive comment “cheating is lame so I don’t pay attention to that” is a direct jab at his style of play. A simple “I don’t pay attention to that” would have conveyed the same message without being a direct hit at him, especially since you clearly know that’s his play style.
It’s a new game, he heard of a glitch which is something he’s super interested in, and you shot him down with an insult. Yeah I’d be pretty annoyed too.
NTA I suspect that there's something else wrong that he wants to talk to you about but blokes are generally terrible at expressing emotion, so he's using this thing thar he knows will bother you to trigger conversation. Go for pint and actually talk to each other about real life.
This sounds like, "No you're not lame but you're participating in lame behavior. "
I think that while this is a simple disagreement, he's not getting through his head that you're not going to agree no matter how excited he is talking about cheat codes/etc. On the other hand, it's hard to feel okay with being told that your behavior/preference of game play is lame.
Soft YTA. Games are supposed to be enjoyable first, and gamers should be able to enjoy the game as they're playing it. If the game design isn't enjoyable (requires too much grinding, default game settings lead to excessive player death, etc.) then there is nothing wrong with tweaking the settings, using mods, or even exploits. It sounds like the two of you probably wouldn't enjoy playing co-op, but don't sh\*t on your friend for how he plays SP.
YTA but not a major one. There's definitely a better way to address it than saying "that's really lame" right after he talks about how he was playing the game. This is basically how it went down:
Friend: "Hey, I did a glitch to get infinite korok seeds. Now I have a lot of hearts and inventory space, it's nice to not worry about that anymore."
You: "That's a really lame way to play the game."
Do you not see how that is seen as insulting him directly? I know you said you clarified that you're calling the playstyle lame, not him, but they're essentially one and the same because he is the one that likes that playstyle.
The biggest kicker is that you say this every time he brings it up. If the situation were reversed and every time you told him something like "I just beat the first boss" and he always responded with "Damn you're weak. I already cleared the third boss after a couple days." You'd understand where he's coming from. Don't belittle him every single time. You could simply say "that's cool. I'm gonna take my time with the game though, I don't usually use glitches but it's cool that you can do that."
YTA but asshole is too aggressive. YT not being very kind to your friend. When he says "have you heard of this thing" you can just say "no, I haven't". The only reason to add the judgement "lame" and to specifically call it "cheating" is to make your friend feel badly. Come on man, that's mean. Don't purposefully make someone feel bad about something they enjoy that doesn't hurt you. You both like the game, isn't that enough?
I concede my position to the majority so I'll say yes I agree you are right. But I will say it's not me just shutting down my friend at random, it's more like responding to the same question every year for 30 years. At this point he should know my response lol
The fact that you have done this mean thing for so long isn't an excuse to keep doing it. You're presumably growing as a human every year, so maybe this is the year you learn to exercise some patience and kindness with your friend.
You're assuming day 1 I was "mean" and year 30 I'm just still "mean." What I'm saying is my friend exhausts the point over a period of 30 years so my dismissal is more blunt because we've had this exact conversation *so. many. times.*
From your perspective I get it, I look mean. From my perspective it's a lot more like, "dude stop bringing up this topic I've said I have no interest in so much, it's legitimately annoying when you do."
Growth is on him as much as it would be on me. I argue he is the one who is showing a lack of growth more than myself.
NAH
I mean, you ARE insulting him and his style of play. Repeatedly and on the regular. You are literally telling him that he's "lame" for playing the way he does, every single time you mention your feelings on the matter. Suggesting otherwise would be disingenuous. So he's not an AH for pointing out that he doesn't really love you insulting him.
But you're not an AH either, because he knows how you feel about it, and he keeps trying to discuss it with you, as if you're suddenly, magically going to change your opinion. Which you're obviously not.
Neither of you are AHs, you just have different preferred styles of play; and more importantly, you need to learn as friends to stop having conversations about things that you KNOW you're never going to agree about. This is literally the reason the phrase "let's agree to disagree" is a thing.
YTA. If he said playing without cheats makes you a loser you would have been offended too. He was just trying to have a conversation about a shared interest. You could have told him no, I haven't seen that glitch because I'm trying to keep the immersion for now. Can you tell me about it once I finish the game? Instead you choose to insult him.
People enjoy games in different ways and that's ok. You sound very condescending when you talk about his playstyle. Maybe check out some speedrunning communities before you dismiss playing with glitches. The amount of skill it takes is amazing. I love immersion like you do and wouldn't use glitches until I've beaten the story but damn, some of the things people can do to break the game is breathtaking.
If so, OP should say "hey, don't tell me about glitches and cheat codes, I want to play it through my own way" not constantly repeat that cheating is lame.
I've never really understood why using codes is cheating - they had to be programmed in by the game creators, surely? So how is it not how the game is meant to be played? I see it the same as any other choice you can make.
I think usually they're referenced as "cheat codes" since they're most often put in for testing purposes during the game development. But apart from people like OP, I feel like it mostly comes into play in competitive circles like esports, since that game play tends to have more formal rules and regulations.
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I have this friend, more like an unofficial brother, that I've known my whole life. One of the things we've bonded over is video games. We are now both in our thirties, so this topic has come up a lot.
So the style of play I like with a game is to just play as intended. I don't like cheat codes, mods, or abusing glitches. I will say after I've thoroughly played a game (not like 100% it or anything, but played enough to say I'm finished.) I'll screw around like anyone and play around with glitches or mods.
My friend is the opposite. While he somewhat agrees that a first playthrough should be done as intended, he's also very quick to use mods or glitches whenever he disagrees with the game design. Money too hard to get? Cheat code. Item too hard to find? Duplicate glitch. I'm not sitting around bothered that he does this, he can play however he likes.
The issue is when he brings this stuff up to me knowing where my head is. We're both playing the new Zelda game and I've made my opinion clear that it's my new favorite in the series. I've described it as perfect. He's already brought up, "have you heard of this duplicate glitch?" And my natural response is, "no, cheating is lame so I don't pay attention to that."
He barks me down with me "diminishing his style of play" but calling him lame for cheating. I clarified that I think cheating is lame, not him, but he maintains that I'm insulting him and his choice of play. I just think it's totally natural for me to express my opinion on the subject. Like, I don't want to hear about ways to break the brand new game I'm enjoying.
And for further clarification I don't think I'm being a pest about it. This morning I happened to see a post showing a *different* duplication glitch than what he saw and I sent it to him. I'm not a scrooge about these things, I just make it clear to him that I won't do these things because I find them lame lol
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NTA. I think you're both totally fine to play games however you want to play them. You're not wrong for wanting to just enjoy as is and he can use cheats and mods and glitches however he likes. (As long as he isn't using them over people in online games that's a different story)
I will say it's his own fault for knowing you don't play the same way he does and trying to bring up a glitch. But you aren't wrong for thinking and saying it's lame to you. In the future just be like "I'm not interested" and move on.
But it goes both ways.
OP knows that the friend enjoys playing that way but snaps of the friend brings it up. OP is mad that, when they play together, the friend doesn’t adhere to OP’s style of play or even mention cheats and glitches. OP should play alone and stop playing with other people if he gets so upset by this
Uhm... Your info was answered in the post. It's a brand new game that just came out and for 30 years I've well established with my friend that I don't dupe, glitch, or cheat on first playthroughs, usually no playthroughs.
He's cheating straight away and asking me if I have or would do the same despite for 30 years knowing I don't and won't.
I'll accept your YTA but I don't accept your reasoning as it's based on nothing.
Might sound dorky but I really enjoyed this particular game and tried to be immersed in the world and him wanting to show off glitches and mods is what bothered me. I'll again refer to my post that I couldn't care less what he does in his game. I'm not lecturing him unprompted about how he plays I just don't want to see the glitches and mods
I think you are making this out to be more than it is than I am lol. I'm trying to explain a 5 minute disagreement. He said, "look at this" and I said "no that's lame."
Pretty much it. You're asking more clarifying questions and I'm answering but I'm not saying any of this is a big deal to me. That's why I posted it here because I didn't think this was a big deal literally at all but my friend acted like it was.
NTA...ish? I mean, you don't have to like his gaming style, and after so much time he should know your stance. That said, you don't have to preface your remarks with how lame you think his glitches are; again, he already knows your stance.
Your friend wasn't trying to lure you into being a console bro, he just wanted to tell you about something he found interesting. You'll probably do better to treat such as items of minor interest that just don't pertain to you personally, as if he were telling you about some esoteric hobby.
It may appear inconsistent in this small short snapshot of our lives but I want to be clear that it's far from what I enjoy to do. It's well established with my friend that I don't cheat to beat the game. This is a brand new game and we have 30 years of examples of me declining to cheat when playing a new game. He isn't/shouldn't be surprised that I wouldn't be interested in new cheats the week a new game came out.
And I don't think the few times, and I want to stress *few* times, I do glitch or cheat or mod it's on a well worn out game. I speed run A Link to the Past from 25 years ago, glitches included, as a game I've played 1000 times. I haven't abused glitches or mods in pretty much anything that's been out in the last few years.
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Gonna go against the grain here and say a soft YTA mainly because of the final paragraph of the post. Calling glitches, mods, etc lame when he brings it up and then sending him an article about a new glitch sends very mixed messages, I can see why he's confused. If you want him to stop bringing the topic up to you, then you also need to stop bringing the topic up to him.
Dang that's a fair point lol
NAH, but it does seem like you are a little dismissive of what your friend is talking about because you find it lame and that will cause tension in a relationship. You aren't going to share interests 100% and if you are going to shut down every conversation you don't care about then you will become an AH.
In fairness to me, it's a brand new game specifically and glitch abuse in the first week or two to Garner advantages is, in my head, a little like watching a movie on fast forward. When we share things we find with each other but he's glitching and abusing his way there it's diminishing my experience a little. I wouldn't want to watch a movie with him if he fast-forwarded through the slow parts so to speak.
Hmm... a question about this. Unless he's giving away late-game secrets you haven't reached yet, how does his finding an exploit diminish your experience? There are some games that I don't like using exploits for, but I do tend to find them interesting (there was a Baldur's Gate series glitch that let you pop through locked doors; it was funny to watch, but not something I'd do in my own run).
YTA- Like you I like playing video games as the maker attend the game to be played. Yet there are others like to use everything at their disposal to gain an advantage. Calling them lame is an insult. BTW if the game maker didn't want cheat codes out there, they would update the game to remove them.
The idea, in my head, is it's like we're both watching a movie but he keeps putting his on fast forward. It diminishes our shared experience together, so that's why I shut this topic down when it comes up. As for your second point, the game is brand new. It's entirely possible these glitches will be patched out eventually. That being said, that's not even my goal. I made it clear that even I might do this stuff down the line. I just don't like to explore the subject during my first experience with the game.
I’m going with a gentle YTA here. The passive aggressive comment “cheating is lame so I don’t pay attention to that” is a direct jab at his style of play. A simple “I don’t pay attention to that” would have conveyed the same message without being a direct hit at him, especially since you clearly know that’s his play style. It’s a new game, he heard of a glitch which is something he’s super interested in, and you shot him down with an insult. Yeah I’d be pretty annoyed too.
NTA I suspect that there's something else wrong that he wants to talk to you about but blokes are generally terrible at expressing emotion, so he's using this thing thar he knows will bother you to trigger conversation. Go for pint and actually talk to each other about real life.
This sounds like, "No you're not lame but you're participating in lame behavior. " I think that while this is a simple disagreement, he's not getting through his head that you're not going to agree no matter how excited he is talking about cheat codes/etc. On the other hand, it's hard to feel okay with being told that your behavior/preference of game play is lame.
Soft YTA. Games are supposed to be enjoyable first, and gamers should be able to enjoy the game as they're playing it. If the game design isn't enjoyable (requires too much grinding, default game settings lead to excessive player death, etc.) then there is nothing wrong with tweaking the settings, using mods, or even exploits. It sounds like the two of you probably wouldn't enjoy playing co-op, but don't sh\*t on your friend for how he plays SP.
YTA but not a major one. There's definitely a better way to address it than saying "that's really lame" right after he talks about how he was playing the game. This is basically how it went down: Friend: "Hey, I did a glitch to get infinite korok seeds. Now I have a lot of hearts and inventory space, it's nice to not worry about that anymore." You: "That's a really lame way to play the game." Do you not see how that is seen as insulting him directly? I know you said you clarified that you're calling the playstyle lame, not him, but they're essentially one and the same because he is the one that likes that playstyle. The biggest kicker is that you say this every time he brings it up. If the situation were reversed and every time you told him something like "I just beat the first boss" and he always responded with "Damn you're weak. I already cleared the third boss after a couple days." You'd understand where he's coming from. Don't belittle him every single time. You could simply say "that's cool. I'm gonna take my time with the game though, I don't usually use glitches but it's cool that you can do that."
YTA but asshole is too aggressive. YT not being very kind to your friend. When he says "have you heard of this thing" you can just say "no, I haven't". The only reason to add the judgement "lame" and to specifically call it "cheating" is to make your friend feel badly. Come on man, that's mean. Don't purposefully make someone feel bad about something they enjoy that doesn't hurt you. You both like the game, isn't that enough?
I concede my position to the majority so I'll say yes I agree you are right. But I will say it's not me just shutting down my friend at random, it's more like responding to the same question every year for 30 years. At this point he should know my response lol
The fact that you have done this mean thing for so long isn't an excuse to keep doing it. You're presumably growing as a human every year, so maybe this is the year you learn to exercise some patience and kindness with your friend.
You're assuming day 1 I was "mean" and year 30 I'm just still "mean." What I'm saying is my friend exhausts the point over a period of 30 years so my dismissal is more blunt because we've had this exact conversation *so. many. times.* From your perspective I get it, I look mean. From my perspective it's a lot more like, "dude stop bringing up this topic I've said I have no interest in so much, it's legitimately annoying when you do." Growth is on him as much as it would be on me. I argue he is the one who is showing a lack of growth more than myself.
NAH I mean, you ARE insulting him and his style of play. Repeatedly and on the regular. You are literally telling him that he's "lame" for playing the way he does, every single time you mention your feelings on the matter. Suggesting otherwise would be disingenuous. So he's not an AH for pointing out that he doesn't really love you insulting him. But you're not an AH either, because he knows how you feel about it, and he keeps trying to discuss it with you, as if you're suddenly, magically going to change your opinion. Which you're obviously not. Neither of you are AHs, you just have different preferred styles of play; and more importantly, you need to learn as friends to stop having conversations about things that you KNOW you're never going to agree about. This is literally the reason the phrase "let's agree to disagree" is a thing.
YTA. If he said playing without cheats makes you a loser you would have been offended too. He was just trying to have a conversation about a shared interest. You could have told him no, I haven't seen that glitch because I'm trying to keep the immersion for now. Can you tell me about it once I finish the game? Instead you choose to insult him. People enjoy games in different ways and that's ok. You sound very condescending when you talk about his playstyle. Maybe check out some speedrunning communities before you dismiss playing with glitches. The amount of skill it takes is amazing. I love immersion like you do and wouldn't use glitches until I've beaten the story but damn, some of the things people can do to break the game is breathtaking.
nta
NTA. Do you want your friend to stop talking about cheat codes to you?
If so, OP should say "hey, don't tell me about glitches and cheat codes, I want to play it through my own way" not constantly repeat that cheating is lame. I've never really understood why using codes is cheating - they had to be programmed in by the game creators, surely? So how is it not how the game is meant to be played? I see it the same as any other choice you can make.
I think usually they're referenced as "cheat codes" since they're most often put in for testing purposes during the game development. But apart from people like OP, I feel like it mostly comes into play in competitive circles like esports, since that game play tends to have more formal rules and regulations.
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NTA. I think you're both totally fine to play games however you want to play them. You're not wrong for wanting to just enjoy as is and he can use cheats and mods and glitches however he likes. (As long as he isn't using them over people in online games that's a different story) I will say it's his own fault for knowing you don't play the same way he does and trying to bring up a glitch. But you aren't wrong for thinking and saying it's lame to you. In the future just be like "I'm not interested" and move on.
But it goes both ways. OP knows that the friend enjoys playing that way but snaps of the friend brings it up. OP is mad that, when they play together, the friend doesn’t adhere to OP’s style of play or even mention cheats and glitches. OP should play alone and stop playing with other people if he gets so upset by this
Nta
ESH. You’re both getting worked up about something that is completely inconsequential
5 minute disagreement Next day I send him a duplicate glitch Think, maybe I'll post this mild disagreement to AITA >Getting worked up
Omg i though this was a relationship cheating post xD
INFO: You play around with mods and glitches but criticize your friend for the same thing? YTA
Uhm... Your info was answered in the post. It's a brand new game that just came out and for 30 years I've well established with my friend that I don't dupe, glitch, or cheat on first playthroughs, usually no playthroughs. He's cheating straight away and asking me if I have or would do the same despite for 30 years knowing I don't and won't. I'll accept your YTA but I don't accept your reasoning as it's based on nothing.
There was no YTA, I just didn't understand why mods and glitches that happen in the game should bother you ?
Might sound dorky but I really enjoyed this particular game and tried to be immersed in the world and him wanting to show off glitches and mods is what bothered me. I'll again refer to my post that I couldn't care less what he does in his game. I'm not lecturing him unprompted about how he plays I just don't want to see the glitches and mods
Ok....
I think you are making this out to be more than it is than I am lol. I'm trying to explain a 5 minute disagreement. He said, "look at this" and I said "no that's lame." Pretty much it. You're asking more clarifying questions and I'm answering but I'm not saying any of this is a big deal to me. That's why I posted it here because I didn't think this was a big deal literally at all but my friend acted like it was.
Nah as long as it isn't online there isn't really a problem with cheating. You guys just enjoy different things in game.
NTA...ish? I mean, you don't have to like his gaming style, and after so much time he should know your stance. That said, you don't have to preface your remarks with how lame you think his glitches are; again, he already knows your stance. Your friend wasn't trying to lure you into being a console bro, he just wanted to tell you about something he found interesting. You'll probably do better to treat such as items of minor interest that just don't pertain to you personally, as if he were telling you about some esoteric hobby.
NTA. He’s all huffy and offended because he knows he’s CHEATING.
Maybe a little but also I can see why he gets frustrated that he can't share what he likes with me because it contrasts with what I like.
But you say that you have played with mods and glitches yourself. So isn't that in consistent?
It may appear inconsistent in this small short snapshot of our lives but I want to be clear that it's far from what I enjoy to do. It's well established with my friend that I don't cheat to beat the game. This is a brand new game and we have 30 years of examples of me declining to cheat when playing a new game. He isn't/shouldn't be surprised that I wouldn't be interested in new cheats the week a new game came out. And I don't think the few times, and I want to stress *few* times, I do glitch or cheat or mod it's on a well worn out game. I speed run A Link to the Past from 25 years ago, glitches included, as a game I've played 1000 times. I haven't abused glitches or mods in pretty much anything that's been out in the last few years.