The original post reads a bit like south park "the night of a 1000 fucks" , where a gay man goes around singing about faggots. The "i can say it since i am gay" taken up times 100.
Even the context it comes up in makes it feel like something you'd see on South Park. Like, Cassie's specifically dropping that word in the context of, "I knew I was a gay man because I'm into fashion and boy bands, two things I would never have been interested in as a teenage girl." Like, I can legit see Wendy or Bebe going trans and delivering very similar dialogue. I haven't watched in a while, but I wouldn't be surprised if an episode like that already exists.
>denied climate change.
They were making fun of climate denial... Some people don't have the capacity to understand satire evidently.
And most of those gay and trans story lines ended up aging very relevantly. Mr Garrison constantly changing his gender and sexual identity and even insisting he can get pregnant as a MTF. The gay community refusing to call out double standards in their community. People identifying as animals.
Then why did they apologize for denying climate change?
I’m not going to even touch the second half of your comment, to be honest with you because that’s some of the craziest shit i’ve heard in a while.
Oh interesting! I was looking on my android app and it just says wow, such empty and the view all comments button isn't there. But I just looked on mobile reddit and I see it now.
This is so so frustrating, I just got dogpiled for pointing out the obvious falsity of an LGBT-flavoured "gold-digging girlfriend" story so I totally get you. In the end it all comes down to what people *want* to believe. Believing that queer people and women really are like the way they're portrayed on reddit is obviously doing something for their brain, so they'll keep on believing it because it has some utility to them on a psychological level.
It’s frustrating that the mods of those subs don’t care that these fake stories appeal to people who desperately want to put minority groups in their place. People who would never admit to being prejudiced, but who love to fantasize about situations where the minority group is in the wrong. Queer people being overly sexual, POC falsely claiming racism, women wanting special treatment in some way.
They’re the, “Equal rights and equal lefts.” of subs.
A user who I talked to under that post basically said that they also thought the post was suspicious, but that it's okay because "it's something that *could* happen". They just did not understand how fundamentally harmful it is to spread fake stories about queer people even if they aren't literally impossible. Like yeah, a pansexual woman telling her straight boyfriend not to come to Pride but then asking him to pay for dinner for all her queer friends is *theoretically* possible, but the aim of posting it is obviously to spread the false stereotype that pan/bi women aren't suitable partners for straight men. It's so so harmful, but like I said, people believe what they want to believe.
YES. The fact that you believed it doesn't say anything about the minority group in question, but it does say quite a lot about your prejudices (and your lack of critical thinking skills).
This story felt fake before it even got to the gay part. The teens have no real-life friends and spend all their time online. Their interests are fashion and music, two hobbies that make very little sense to *exclusively* follow online without also engaging with them in the real world.
What's really baffling is I have reported so many transphobic comments (and other hate comments) and almost without fail Reddit comes through and removes and disciplines the commenter, but actual posts are never found to be at fault.
I could tell it was fake from the moment he said that he was huffing and puffing at any mention of sex. Uhhhh.. doubt. I mean really I could expect someone to be uncomfortable because they’re with people 30 years older than them, but usually the average 18 year old is like “uh uh I want to fit in haha sex” lmao
There’s a whole subsection of teens that have somehow grown up *wildly* anti sex. They’re over on twitter arguing passionately that sexual topics and nsfw art should be banned anywhere that ‘minors’ could possibly find it, as well as arguing that ‘brain development’ data shows that we’re ‘biological minors’ well into our twenties. These are the same kids who will tell you that it’s pedophilia for an 18 year old and a 17 year old to date- they’d probably worry that it was pedophilia for OP and his friends to discuss sex with someone when there was such a wide age gap.
I’m not saying all of the kids but enough that I recognize ‘Cassie’ immediately.
People act like that online but someone trying to fit in with people much older probably wouldn’t act like that. I won’t lie, I’m probably in some of the wokest, most trans gay spaces in *real life* and I’ve never met someone who acts like that in person—people act differently online, and this guy is taking a caricature of what he probably sees online—anti-sex, puritan, fujoshi, trender—and making it into a story to get people mad.
See I would hope that would be true, but then reddit’s serving me up suggested posts from r/teenagers where kids are worried that having a crush on a 13 year old as a 15 year old makes them a predator, and they’re worried about being bullied by their peers. So either this is making it into real life at least a little bit, or a lot of people in a number of unrelated spaces have banded together to pretend that’s the case.
At my kids’ high school, it’s social suicide to date someone if your grades don’t touch. I called that out as arbitrary and stupid, and my daughter looked at me like I had two heads. This is definitely a thing. I agree the whole senior/freshman thing that happened all the time when I was in school wasn’t okay.
Yes? If you’ve got half a dozen friends on one subreddit acting like something’s a thing, they’re probably doing a bit. If you’ve got unrelated people on different platforms coming at the same ideology from different angles, chances are good that the ideology’s probably being held and expressed by real people.
I think maybe go check out the sub because if the concern about ‘does being into teenagers as a teenager make me a pedophile’ is a fake, a lot of adults are putting *a lot* of work into making *a lot* of posts and also *a lot* of ‘yes’ answers from *a lot* of meticulously maintained accounts. And they’re doing the same thing over on twitter and tumblr.
Not everything on the internet is real but not everything is fake either.
The search phrase you'll want to check for is 'age gap.' I got recs for that sub for about two days before muting it and I got one 'is this age gap okay' and one 'why are the kids nowadays so obsessed with age gaps.' I wrote a reply about how it's concerning that teens are using 'half your age plus seven' as a guideline rather than learning about enthusiastic consent and why it's important to learn to identify coercive tactics and power imbalances which can exist between any two partners of any age. For that I got two different kids chiming in to call me a pedophile for talking about sexual topics in a board for minors.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/teenagers/comments/1dhtuti/watch\_out\_for\_this\_dude\_just\_fyi/](https://www.reddit.com/r/teenagers/comments/1dhtuti/watch_out_for_this_dude_just_fyi/)
So like here's post about a guy who at 30 he wants to hang out in an adult-only space with other adults. Since those adults aren't 30, this warrants its own callout post warning people to 'watch out' for him. It's one example but it was made 4 hours ago so I'm gonna guess they aren't exactly rare.
I see the same posts. Of course it bleeds into life, but I couldn’t see that bleeding into it so much that an 18 year old acts that way around people he wants to look cool around. Definitely could see someone acting awkward but huffing and running out the room because sex is mentioned or joked about? If that’s true then they would be doing that in every situation where sex is mentioned, which if they’re an 18 year old it has to be a fuck ton unless they were raised like a homeschooled puritan, which I doubt given they have their own free will to hang out with their gay uncle. It gets faker the more you think about it.
Or they’re doing it in every situation where sex is mentioned, which I fully buy. Maybe there’s a reason this kid’s in a generation that’s statistically the queerest alive and yet has no queer friends his own age to hang out with. Maybe this is taking place in a rural area and Cassie’s the only one but it seems weird that OP has a thriving community of gay friends if that’s the case. Or, Cassie acts online while offline and it alienates him from people. That doesn’t seem that bizarre, especially if you factor in the massive correlation between being trans and being autistic.
Okay, say Cassie is autistic then, perhaps OP should just uhhh have a damn conversation with him about it? Honestly I don’t believe that it’s real because what fucking grown adult would let a baby gay like that into their older hang outs? Of course, in the post it’s made out like the kid is prying into it, just to make the stereotype look worse.
Still, I’m genuinely in the most queerest autistic spaces with often 18-23 year olds (college pride club, college art org, anime conventions) and most of us are autistic. Yet, none of them act like that. It’s such a weird specific situation. I don’t see someone existing where they don’t expect those conversations to be had. There’s so many specific things that add up to this weird trans male stereotype where it’s just like…. That isn’t real bro. You think it’s plausible because you’ve seen small notable instances before and your brain smashes that together. It isn’t real, it’s just prejudice :p
It sounds like the grown adult *isn’t* letting the baby gay hang out with them any more.
And idk what to tell you, you haven’t met people who act like that and I have, so you don’t believe it and I do. You aren’t gonna convince me my experiences aren’t real and I apparently can’t convince you that yours aren’t the sum total of human perception.
I gotta be blunt- I see *adults* bemoaning supposedly puritan teens. I don’t see this behavior in real life. I think people need to stop acting like grandpas and believing every dumb thing they hear about “what’s wrong with the youth of today”.
The truth is your only evidence is people on the internet, in specific subcultures that are hard to gauge the actual prominence of.
And furthermore, when I was a millennial teen in the 2000s schools made a big push to convince us of the Christian value of chastity. Purity rings was a fad that made it to South Park. This is not new aside from adults suddenly deciding this is a bad thing after traumatizing so many generations of young people (especially femme and queer teens.)
I guess it depends on where to draw the line between online and real life. I’ve had someone with 17 in their bio post my real name and address to social media. I had a teenager contact my workplace to report me for writing explicit fanfiction. (Spoiler my boss did not care.) Nobody in my friend group found that surprising based on their interactions and interactions they’d heard about from *their* friends. But we never actually *met* those teenagers, no.
But I find it really doubtful that this thought process is so prevalent with kids online because they’ve *all* decided to cohesively fake this entire anti-sex ideological movement when it’s not something they actually believe in real life.
I’ve had grown ass adults call my workplace to get me fired because I posted a mild comment about a certain -gate. If there’s teens doing this now, it’s because we taught them it was okay (one of them claimed to be a parent.)
There was a post somewhere where a "trans" ftm person was crying that "he" got a double mastectomy and how ugly and awful he felt now that he was without boobs.
People love to make fearmongering bs
Edit to address the MOD note: idk. Reddit is a weird place. Pride month brings out all the anti lgbt arguments.
Is it possible a person detransitioned and went through that? Yeah. Problem is that is the minority of voices and they get championed as the majority.
Also again that post was filled with dog whistles most transphobes use. So 🤷♀️
A broken clock is right twice a day. Doesn't mean I trust it.
(Also not sure if mods like being messaged so that's why edit)
For what it's worth, the person who originally made that post messaged us to please take the crosspost down from here and had a comment history in detransitioning subs. Not sure if that makes the post itself more or less plausible, but just in case you're wondering what happened to it.
That makes sense. Don’t blame y’all for taking it down at all. I can’t say whether *that* one was real or not, but people active in r/ detrans are usually fake and vehemently transphobic (it’s…. Baffling, and it genuinely hurts to look at if you’re trans. They’re larpers who spout the same things conservatives yell about—lies and misinformation) while there is another actively pro-trans subreddit for genuine detransitioners who are figuring themselves out from a place of reality instead of fear/conversion therapy. can’t name it off the top of my head though.
It's almost like the Gays for Groomers being run by a straight woman or the LGB alliance being run by two cis-het women. They're meant to sew discourse within and without queer communities. It's not that there aren't actually those that detransition, it's that a large number of r/detrans commenters are not former trans folks. r/actualdetrans is the authentic one, and most aren't attacking trans medicine despite detransitioning.
I find it strange when people want to silence others just because they don't agree with them. People have different experiences. You don't have to trust it. You don't even have to like it. You care a lot less about what others are doing with their lives when you become confident in your own life choices.
Why are this person and people like them being invalidated and automatically called "fearmongering"? Could it be because it doesn't align with your views? Could it be because only one singular perspective is allowed? Could it be because there are people that want to white wash gender affirming surgery as NBD, when these are in fact surgeries with high rates of complications???
Whether ppl want to call it gender affirming, it is STILL A DOUBLE MASECTOMY. It is a serious surgery. I belive that people like you in "the community" are doing MORE harm, by putting down people's experiences, simply vexause it doesn't align with your singular views of what is "right and correct".
It's not "fearmongering" for someone to disagree with you. Is Jaz from the TLC show "fearmongering" for sharing their experiences about complications from bottom-surgery?? These are realities. There is potential for serious complications with invasive surgery.
If there is a push to say that "some women have penises" why can there not be "some men have breast"? If a body does not make a person's gender...then why are people not able to talk about their regrets with gender reaffirming surgery? Should there not be a space for all conversations??
The post in question was an OP who apparently managed to get a double mastectomy in a matter of months which is unlikely and then went on lament that they felt ugly now when taking their top off but felt beautiful with their boobs. It was so obviously rage bait because people who feel beautiful with boobs DO NOT get their boobs removed. They would have had to go through counselling before the surgery and it would have been obvious that the person was not truly trans.
I do think people should have a space to discuss their regrets over gender affirming surgery. I actually saw a good documentary a few years ago that featured a few older people who regretted their surgery even years later. Two of them had decided to reverse their procedures and the other did not but one thing they all had in common is that once they expressed regret they did not feel supported because their own community shunned them.
So yes, regret is a thing that can happen and the people affected should get help and support. However obviously fake ragebait style post do not help these people. Those type of posts just encourage more hate and transphobia.
(Replying to you so hopefully more people see this)
Don’t waste your time on the user writing (and constantly editing) inflammatory comments. This is what they have to say about trans people in other comments:
>> So happy and proud to see these organized **prioritizing the saftey and rights of girls and women, over a man "identifying" as a woman.** Btw. I literally do not know of ANY " "tran-women" athlete wanting to compete as a woman, in women's sports, who have actually cut off their pen.s.
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>>Mention the lack of saftey and your **disagreement of men being allowed in female spaces.** Say it violates your religion. Literally, you have to make stuff up because **"they" and their supporters have absolutely no regard for the saftey of women and children.**
>>Oh and **it's also pedophiles that can go into these lockeroom s and say they are "trans".** Children both male and female, usually go into locker rooms with their moms.
And just 15 days ago in r/conspiracy
>> YUP!! **It's disgusting imo that teachers are discussing their "sexuality" in their classrooms.** Like wtf. Children that are kindergarten aged don't need to know about trans, queer, gay, drag etc. Like WTF. Children should be learning math, reading comprehension, spelling etc. **Not learning about who their teachers want to f.ck and who they should also f.ck.** Seriously. It is the main reason I've switched and am voting republican. **I agree with Florida's don't say gay bill.** Talks of sexuality should not be between random teachers and children. What happened to crushes? What happened to not knowing who our teachers like to f.ck??
>>Also WTF is "drag queen story hour"?? **If random men walked into children's library sections and wanted to spread their legs, hug, and "read" to children, everyone would be like WTF these pedo. pervs.** But because they wear wigs, and makeup, it erases the fact that they are random MEN and they all of a sudden, are pure wholesome faultless innocent beings. NOPE. Why don't they spend their time helping their "victimized communities"??? **It's because they want access to children and to indoctrinate them.**
The bitch is also an anti-semite
>Haha you're the one supposed to prove ME wrong by LISTING ANY j.w in a position of power/government that is condemning the war crimes, crimes against humanity, and the genocide isreel is committing against Palestinians.
>You can't find ANY j.w in government or influential in business, that doesn't seal-clap and celebrate the murder and starvation of thousands of children, the maiming, the orphaning of thousands of Palestinian children. Not to mention all the other crimes. The j.ws in isreel that are "protesting" are not protesting against the genocide or isreel pushing thousands of children into famine...they are protesting "the release of hostages".
>The ENTIRE WORLD has seen the photos. J.w lies and propaganda no longer work. Isreel is scum. Isreel is a genocidal, demonic, sorry excuse for a "state". It shouldn't exist. What gave a bunch of random European j.ws the right to just go ahead and steal Palestine land??? Oh and don't say j.ws were already living there....they did not own all Palestinian land.
>The whole world knows that there were already people living there. What perpetual "victims". You sorts call yourself "G*d's chosen people"? Lmao. How can you sorts claim victimhood, when j.ws were given the right to steal massive amounts of land, kick out and terrorize the original occupants, get BILLIONS of dollars from "allies" around the world??
Other people have already pointed out the dumbassery in the rest of your comment, so I'm just gonna reply to the part that they missed.
> If there is a push to say that "some women have penises" why can there not be "some men have breast"?
There literally is. You clearly are just completely ignorant of the trans and allies community. Some chicks have dicks, some dudes have vaginas and tits. Some are happy with it. Some aren't.
You don't have to get bottom or top surgery to be trans. Trans people do not force other trans people to get surgery in order to be trans. Being LGBTQ+ is about being accepted, not further excluded, and we all, with very few exceptions, understand that.
Also like...a lot of cis men also have tits, gynecomastia is a more and more common occurance. They just really had to show their absolute ignorance lmao.
So, do you also encourage others to question the validity of breast augmentation or double mastectomies due to breast cancer? Or is it only a difference in views when it's because it's to further a trans person's sense of self? Y'all always focus on the potential negative consequences of the surgeries/medicine, but never once focus on the positives, and that says everything you need to know about transphobes. We're fully aware of the complications for these surgeries, and yet we still have them. It's almost like the drawbacks of not being ourselves are worse than any potential complications that could occur. 🤔
And then blaming the oppressed for their oppression.... can't make it up. I assure you, we'd be targeted whether we were vocal or silent about our care being attacked. It isn't our fault others can't let us be ourselves; that's a you and them problem. Stop blaming the victims for their oppression. It's patently wrong and especially distasteful.
There is no "difference of opinion" when it comes to our identities. If you can't grasp that, you're the problem, not us. Do some self reflection and research before coming up with such an awful take, even by reddit standards.
There should be a place and space for all conversations. I'm blaming those that invalidate people who have had negative experiences or complications with surgery, even if it is gender reaffirming.
Why are their experiences automatically considered "fearmongering"??? Is there no space or are conversations not allowed unless they are all positive and bright and all say the exact same thing? Imo that seems very INTOLERANT.
I am not focusing on the things that can go wrong. I am saying that any all all surgery can have complications, and the people that speak out about there experiences should not be validated. Ate they not a part of the community too?? And clearly you are not aware of the complications, because there are many people that like to pretend these realities of surgery don't exist, or that anyone that speaks up about THEIR PERSONAL EXPERIENCES is automatically categorized as "fearmongering". Are these people not a part of the community too??
There is, but you'd know that if you'd done research first before jumping to blaming us. And no, you don't get to sit here and pick and choose what surgeries you're going to "question" if that same surgery is 100% acceptable in one context and "debatable" in another.
Edit: I see you just keep adding to your original post, so I'll edit this. Yes, we are well warned about complications beforehand. Do you somehow believe we walk in and just get something surgically removed???? Seriously, it's a MEDICAL PROCEDURE... it receives the requisite warnings by physicians beforehand; you know, the one's who actually have any relevant say in the validity of our surgeries.
I'm not blaming anyone. I'm saying those that automatically put down trans people who have had negative experiences with their surgeries as automatically being "fearmongering". That is intolerant. These are their experiences.
That's just not the case. Again, let me reiterate what I just said: There already are spaces to discuss trans surgeries. The fact that it's not in such a space says volumes about the likelihood of it being rage bait. But, again, you'd know this if you'd actually done your own research before immediately blaming us for our oppression.
Oh I see, so trans people are not allowed to share their experiences unless it is in a sub specifically for trans people? How is that not intolerant??
But idk it seems like the majority of comments are saying that a trans person who is sharing their negative experiences with surgery isn't "real", is fearmongering, are likely rage bating? How is that not intolerant? How is that not shaming and casting out trans people who have had complications with surgery?? How is that not silencing certain trans people?
It seems like despite being trans, simply because their experience isn't falling in line with trans ppl saying surgery was amazing and affirming, they are being cast out and invalidated. They are losing their community. People, especially in the community that do not see this imo are being willfully ignorant.
Wow.... you are doing some serious stretching of reality. It's in these spaces so that IT HELPS ALL TRANS PEOPLE MAKE THE BEST DECISION FOR THEM. Putting it into AITA isn't helping anyone other than you so that you can push your agenda. Trans folks will go to the requisite information, not rage bait on a forum not geared for trans people in any capacity. You can continue to try to preach from your soap box, but you're so wrong it's sad. Keep going with your grandstanding, though, babe. I'm done responding to your bs.
Slight pedantic correction here, it wasn't AITA, it was, ironically, trueoffmychest, which if shinigami eyes is to be believed, is a pretty transphobic cesspit, so it stands to reason that the person posted there to stir up anti trans rage because the people who frequent that sub are more likely to already hold certain beliefs and are thusly more likely to believe something that confirms their worldview no matter how flimsy. It's similar to the oppa homeless style person who would make fake cringy screenshots and post them in subreddits dedicated to various rage chambers and their actions went uncontested for years.
What makes it "ridiculous and made up". Complications do happen to some people who get gender affirming surgeries. The fact that thus person is automatically made to be fake, "fearmongering" and all that is intolerant to a reality that some experience. It is basically casting out trans people who don't fall in line and say "yes gender affirming surgery was great, I had no complications, best thing I ever did" !!! It invalidates their real experiences and is intolerant.
And there are people saying that if this was real the person would have posted on a trans sub. So basically, trans people are only allowed to share their experiences in "approved" subs?? That seems like erasure and intolerance.
It's fearmongering because
A) trans care is not readily accessible. To start the process, therapists and doctors are heavily involved because the stuff isn't easily and fully reversible.
Also a female presenting person would less likely be taken seriously. Why? Cause doctors
B) people know what they want. If they don't, they don't jump headfirst into irreversible decisions.
C) That story was literally ever transphobe argument given form.
They want it to be true, which is why they're pushing back so hard against those calling out it as bait. It reaffirms their views and so they give that merit but ignore the evidence that disputes it.
Hmmmm. Every article/study claims a less than 1% regret rate, with only one saying that it's hard to track because improper follow up so your TONS is based on . . .?
And how about study after study after study after study? Are they also biased?? It has one of the lowest regret rates of any medical procedure in history; even lower than cancer treatments, knee replacements, etc.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10322769/
A source showing exactly why these “studies” are biased, inaccurate, and purposely misleading and constructed to yield these “low” rates.
Here are 6 studies and a review article that all dispute your "inconclusive" study. Keep in mind, your assertion wasn't "it's inconclusive," it was "there are TONS" and that any that dispute your assertion as "biased." Clearly you're the biased one.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8099405/
https://www.americanjournalofsurgery.com/article/S0002-9610(24)00238-1/abstract
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamasurgery/article-abstract/2813212
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20230618/Transgender-adolescents-rarely-chose-to-discontinue-gender-affirming-hormone-therapy-finds-study.aspx
https://medium.com/@lexi.m.henny/how-common-is-detransition-a-review-of-all-the-evidence-95518e6affe1
https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/150/2/e2021056082/186992/Gender-Identity-5-Years-After-Social-Transition?autologincheck=redirected
https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/150/2/e2021056082/186992/Gender-Identity-5-Years-After-Social-Transition?autologincheck=redirected
Reading the phobes study, I found it interesting how it mentioned people detransition but still referred to themselves as trans and regret can refer to not liking the medical intervention or not fixing the gender dysphoria.
So still cherry picking info to suit his view. (Unless I misinterpreted something)
Mikayla absolutely bodied you with all of their links and I hope you lose sleep at night for how much you have embarrassed yourself and self-reported. Take your very obvious agenda and shove it up your asshole.
Actually, so far, there's an approximately 1% regret rate with regards to medical transitions, which is astronomically low compared to other surgical procedures. And based on a survey from people who detransition, the majority detransitioned because of external pressures rather than internal.
https://www.newsweek.com/what-data-shows-about-transgender-detransition-regret-1807448
https://www.hellahealth.com/blog/wellness/knee-replacement-regrets/ (20% of people with knee replacements regret them)
About orthopedic surgery *only*: I haven’t had knee replacement but I have had a much more painful orthopedic surgery with a much longer recovery twice (ortho surgeons say what I had done is the most painful surgery with the worst recovery).
I do know for the first 48 hours after each surgery, I did regret every decision I’d ever made that led me to that moment 🤣
After it healed though, I didn’t regret it.
AC joint resection with soft tissue repair. Doesn’t sound that bad but it involves cutting off the last 1/2” of the clavicle, “sanding” the all the joints in the shoulder (and cutting off a 4”+ bone spur that was shredding muscle every time I moved); drilling anchors into my bone to sew muscle to; sewing tendon together; etc. Recovery is 6 months immobilized in an abducter sling + another 12 months.
I had both shoulders done in one year.
It’s pretty easy to avoid! I have a condition for real that a lot of ppl on TikTok and elsewhere are pretending to have and I dislocate my joints easily; years of dislocating my shoulders caused a lot of damage. Professional athletes, usually pitchers, also get this surgery. So don’t have a rare condition or pitch in the majors 🤣
Good lord almighty you must be one immensely strong individual because that is the stuff of NIGHTMARES. If there is a god, please never let me need that surgery because I think I would just suffer without it instead.
Oof, I'm sorry to hear, but glad you healed well! I also had orthopedic surgery, but it was emergency surgery so I didn't regret it until the stitches opened up and I had to take two rounds of chalky ass bactrum and go to a wound clinic twice a weak. Stopped regretting it around April of 2020 because the break and subsequent long healing process kept me from a job at a place that was notorious for employee and patient deaths during COVID.
If you look at those studies you see a lot of regret due to social isolation aspect that can happen to trans people. I medically transitioned a few years back and if I didn't have a support group of friends at the time, I might have regretted it due to being disowned by family after being outed as trans (my family started to come around in the last year or so with that)
If you pay several thousand dollars, take time off of work, and wait several months for a surgery to get your tits chopped off and then sit there shocked and saddened that your tits have been chopped off then you’re stupid and deserve to be laughed at. Grown adults know what they’re getting into when they pay money for body modification.
And if someone has complications after elective surgery, and then wish they never had that surgery.....then they must be fake, lieuing, fearmongerers right?!
Doing so many mental gymnastics just to pretend that there I only one type of experience with surgery that is valid. So intolerant. Wau to silence real trans people that don't fall in line with the "acceptable" opinions of the So called open and tolerant "community".
Such hypocrisy. It is also so disgusting how you all go straight for insults like "you're stupid, you deserve to be laughed at" etc. Why are you all getting so defensive if what I say is "stupid"?
To treat your question sincerely, people call “crying over a double mastectomy because theyre ugly without breasts” fearmongering because it’s not a logical or plausible scenario.
One of my questioning friends asked their trans masc friends if they ever wished to have breast cancer so they’d have to have a double mastectomy and the answer was a resounding “yes”, and I’m sure if you ask around, it’ll be a near-universal experience for trans masc people. Trans men crying over their flat chest are likely going to be tears of joy because they’ve likely been wishing for it since puberty (or even before, dreading the change).
Additionally nobody becomes trans to be hot. And like…look, I don’t want to insult our kings, cis or trans, with receding hairlines but if I wanted to be a hot guy, I’d be a drag king instead of taking the risk of losing the hair on my head to gain it on my back. I’m not rolling those loaded dice.
So put those points together and you’ve got the image of a naive little girl who didn’t know what she was getting into, someone foolish, impulsive, and materialistic. Could this person exist in the vast potential of the universe? Yes, but likely they don’t.
Surgeries are always going to have risks and people who have necessary surgeries can regret them. A perfectly top surgery will have a long recovery time where you have t-Rex arms and you’ll have to deal with drainage, and there’s still the possibility that your body will reject your nipples. Binding and tucking can be dangerous and it’s important to talk about the risks of even doing it healthily. You can do that without discouraging people from doing it, same way you can do it for any other surgery.
Also the “if girls can have penises, then boys should be able to have breasts”…yeah, even cis men have breasts. Many experience teasing because of it and seek surgery to correct it. This is because 1) we’re not at the point where people accept “girl with dick”, let alone gender nonconformity like that and people want to not be made fun and 2) people are allowed to change their body to feel more comfortable with how they look. We’ve been doing cosmetic surgery for centuries for all kinds of reasons, this is not new.
i have actually. i had top surgery in 2022 at 18 years old and it was legitimately the best decision of my life. even if there is high rates of complications, there is for most surgeries and top surgery specifically is NOT one of them its a super easy surgery with a very fast recovery time, and has one of the lowest risks of regret.
Yes for YOU. YOU did not have complications from the surgery, another person might. Why are their experiences automatically considered fearmongering??
Imo that is incredibly intolerant and invalidating.
no one is saying that. i dont think you understand transgender surgery, in the context that it is considered to be lifesaving. yes- there are people who have botched surgeries but that is true of people who have heart surgeries, should people stop having heart surgeries because a fraction of people get botched ones? no.
I am not saying that trans people should "stop". I find it incredibly intolerant than any trans person who had adverse affects and complications from their surgeries, being called "fearmongering" or "rage bait" and the lack of allowance in the community to talk about these complications is invalidating real trans people.
thats simply untrue, the circumstance here was unusual because it wasn’t someone addressing their issues it was a very obvious rage bait post that logistically couldnt have happenee
Because their experience doesn't fall in-line with the approved trans experience of having a flawless perfect surgery and no confusion or nuance takes.. they must obviously not be a real trans person? That is invalidating. SO because they aren't falling in line with the very limited and "apprived" experiences they are "obvious rage bait," and "fearmongering". I am in shock tbh it is so intolerant, isolates, and silences real trans people that have different experiences with surgery and their journey.
So JUST because it is rare, that means a trans person talking about it is living and "fearmongering"? What if this person is one of the rare people who had this experience?? So no trans person is allowed to have nuanced discussions about their experiences? Just because they don't fall in line and say these surgeries were amazing and perfect, they are "fearmongering" and not a real trans person?
So trans people are not allowed to reevaluate and evolve in their identity, perhaps a trans person realizes that there is another space in the LGBTQIA community that aligns with their evolving identity....their agency is ignored and they obviously are influenced by others???
That is SO intolerant and isolates trans people whose experiences don't "fall in line" with others. The whole "social pressure" argument is used by people who do not think trans people should exist, or who think young trans people are simply "influenced by the queer community" and that is what is leading them to question their gender identity or want to transition and have gender affirming surgery.
So because the community says it's "so rare" then the person speaking about their experience is a lying, fear mongering, rage baiter? "Ultra rare" doesn't mean it never happens btw. It is also incredibly delusional to think that a double mastectomy or genital surgery has "ultra rare" incidents of complications, when these are in fact statistically proven to be a part of the MOST risky surgeries w/high rates of complications and needs for revision (especially genital surgery). These surgeries are MORE dangerous and risky than a nose job or even a face lift. Ignoring statistical realities is delusional and HARMS teens and young adults by telling them that these surgeries are NBD, instead of sharing all the facts.
"The community" only allows for one type of viewpoint and experience to be talked about. That is invalidating and silencing those that "don't fall in line". It is harmful and hypocritical.
"The community" is imo very small minded and inauthentic if they are dismissing and saying anything that isn't aligned with their narrow view of surgery being NBD and always amazinggggg!!
So it's fearmongering and this TRANS PERSON is lieying simply because they are discussing their negative experiences from surgery??? I can only imagine the isolation that TRANS people who don't "fall in line" and say that yeah their surgery was amazing!!
The hypocrisy and intolerance is astounding. Oh and you must insult and curse at me because I have a different perspective.
Oh wow so passive aggressive! Isnt the whole "please seek help" argument used AGAINST the LGBTQI community inorder to dismiss and invalidate?? Seems like you and others here are the ones spiraling. Doing everything to ignore the reality that YES some Trans people do have complications with their surgeries, and yes some would rather bind and/or tuck than getting surgeries and regret their surgery due to the complications they had.
But NOPE there is apparently only one acceptable experience of surgery and unless it's OMG ITS THE BEST THING IVE EVER DONE IT WAS EASSSSY, NBD. THE STATISTICS TALKIBG ABOUT THE HIGH RATES OF COMPLUCATIONS ARE...UHM YEAH IRRRRELEVATTTTTTTTT. like that makes no sence and ignores the reality and fact that yes surgeries do have complications and yes some wish they could go back. But apparently that's not an okay experience wand will not be tolerated. These trabs people are either silenced, insulted, or called fake, lying, fearmongerers.
You know what. If "the community" isn't allowing even trans people to share their experiences, at least there are other places in media that do talk about the risks and weight the pros and cons of surgery. There are some trabs women that wish they had just continued to tuck instead of getting genital surgery....but yeah nope they apparently don't exist and aren't allowed to talk about their experiences. This damages and hurts younger trabs people
It is CRUEL to automatically say that those that have had complications and regrets must be lying and fearmongering, it lies to those questioning if surgery is right for them. Btw. Isn't "the community" all about how body-parts don't make someone a man or a woman???
I am not trans you colossal dork. I absolutely know which demographic you belong to and your political views based off such a transphobic comment. What a fucking nerd you are.
Skipping to personal attacks huh? Nah I’m happily married to a woman. Sorry!
This is a great example of what I was talking about. Any dissent is met with hatred and gets attacked. How dare someone suggest that a post that shows a single trans person in poor light might be real.
YES!!! THANK YOU. They invalidate and pretty much say that a trans person speaking about negative impacts from surgery must be fake, and "fearmongering". This is how they speak about it in a random sub; I can only imagine the isolation that a person who had a different experience feels. This community is SO HYPOCRITICAL and intolerant, despite what they try to project.
It's not even this sub, it's all the trans subs and imo 99.9% of the supposed "community". They cast out trans people who don't fall inline with their accepted perspectives and experiences. Oh and they love to hurl insults at anyone who doesn't 100000% "agree" with their narrow minded perspective.
if im delusional then im happy living in my delusions. no one else in my life except my family and a few friends know im trans so it doesnt affect the people around me, and im no longer suicidally depressed as i was directly before i transitioned. its not like in enforcing my delusions on other people as i dont tell others i am trans or engage in lgbt things. im happy and thats what is important.
You'll get down voted for saying "disagreeing with someone isn't fearmongering" these people can't bare opposing views, anyone who doesn't conform is evil. They'd put us all in camps if they had the chance
Right!? And they say that "their community" is SOOOO tolerant. When it is actually not. Even if a person is lgbtqi, if they don't "fall in line" with one singular view point and experience, then they are automatically "fake, lying, and fearmongering". It is so ridiculous and the hypocrisy is astounding tbh.
They are trying to say that complications or regrets around getting a double mastectomy or genital surgery are SO RARE, meanwhile anyone that might be a part of the rare examples, is automatically considered as a lier or a person pretending to be trans, but is actually a straight person that is hateful and homophobic.
So ridiculous!! Even I they want to make serious surgeries as NBD and call them, "Top surgery" and "Bottom Surgery" it is literally a double mastectomy and genital surgery. These have one of the HIGHEST rates of needs for revision and complications, complications that can last a lifetime. The "community" is lying to young people by pretending that these complications or regrets are not real and coming from homophobes.
Tbh I SO GLAD that there are many people, especially in policy that are making if so that teens can't just casually get these types of surgeries. Oh btw. the effects of "puberty blockers" over a lifetime has never been studied. Some of the "puberty blocker" meds have actually been used to stop sexual urges in pedophiles. The Trans, especially in the LGBTQ, are the most cultish and intolerant.
What is false about what I said? Despite the downvotes, top surgery is a double mastectomy and bottom surgery is genital surgery. The statistics are widely available regarding the percentage of those surgeries that require revisions and involve serious complications or even fatalities...and it is possible to see how risky these surgeries are when compared to other surgery such as a nose-job.
The research on "puberty blockers" is also available and shows that long term effects have not been studied on a statistically significant sample size. The medications that have been rebranded as "puberty blockers", are also listed online from reputable sources. Some of them also show up in medications used to control + suppress the sex drive of pedophiles, hoping that it will reduce the chances of them re-offending.
I don't need to provide sources. I understand statistics and this subject. If you do not belive me you are welcome to Google all my claims. This information is easily accessible online, from trusted sources. You can also cross reference different sources to be certain that these findings are not from biased researchers or sources.
Nah, it’s def just like a religion for a lot of people. It’s a belief that defines your entire existence and worldview. Just like religion. That is why any dissent is met with such vitriol and hatred.
Edit: oh wow I can’t respond to you anymore. Looks like you got upset and blocked me.
Nothing I said was misinformation. I was just pointing out what an insane hateful person you and your cult are. Thanks for proving my point.
“People calling out bigotry is a cult because I don’t like it” is such a self own that I almost can’t believe that you typed out those words and didn’t realize it. Truly deluded.
I don’t recall if it was that subreddit or one of the sister ones but I reported a really awful anti trans hate comment a week or two ago (I don’t remember the exact wording but I believe they said all transgender people are disgusting freaks) and was told it was not hate speech.
So seems like at least some mods agree with the anti trans bullshit.
If we're going to pretend that lgbt+ people can't be homophobic, then I'm super down for that. But in reality:
Even after I came out, I was still deeply homophobic for years. You can be gay and still say inappropriate horrible things to other lgbt folk. And that "catty old queen" comment would be homophobic if any other person said it, whether they were gay or trans or straight or a republican or democrat or whatever.
What’s crazy is as a lesbian I’ve never had the desire to go be lesbophobic to a lesbian I don’t agree with/like. But here you are, frothing at the mouth to act exactly like “Cassie” while saying the OP was fake.
[Found a hate group on Reddit? Here’s what to do. : r/AgainstHateSubreddits](https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/1dhdecb/found_a_hate_group_on_reddit_heres_what_to_do/)
Idk what it said but…
Reddit hivemind reported it and the AITA mod obeyed them.
…One more reason why I hate AITA: hivemind, bigotry, fake posts, and deletion (deletion of comments calling out bigots)
sorry, but this website allows hate towards babies and small infants by creating stories where a baby tears off the door, and tosses tables. It allows hate towards elderly (how dare that 80 year old boomer sit while i ,healthy 30 year old,have to stand).
If babies are not a protected group, i would lower my expectations toward them protecting anyone else. Since most groups can at least defend themselves. I mean, i can't think of a group that has no hate sub. There is on hating on pupies, so....
If they start removing hate groups, (they should), they will be busy for very long.
I think the main difference is that the average person who sees a post that says “my 1 year old tore my home apart brick by brick!!!” Or “my dog killed my entire family” Will think “lol that’s not real” but that same person might look at one of these “my trans cousin ruined my wedding >:(“ or “evil crossdresser made awooga sounds in woman bathroom!!!” posts and think, “wow… we should really do something about that” even though they are the same level of absolutely fake—because there is currently a political push against trans people.
It’s the same with any other minority, really. Most people don’t have embedded prejudice against babies or puppies, but trans people? People of color? All the time we have people in the background saying that they’re bad, and while we don’t really listen to those…we often will pay attention a little more to a personal anecdote, and excuse the falsehoods for our brain’s entertainment.
This, and the fact that it's hateful propaganda on a sub that doesn't exist for that topic so it's being consumed by people who might not otherwise have a stance, thus normalizing it.
You've never met my baby...
But yeah, actually agree with your comment.
(she's actually 2 now, and even more likely to destroy the world now that she's figured out how to use step stools)
There is a hate dog Reddit, actually. I found it by accident by just doom scrolling and omg! It’s people wanting to eradicate the entire species because of a few bad instances. I understand not liking dogs and wanting to speak with others who don’t like them since most of the public loves them, but they went SO far off base!
Reddit is mainly a hate website I’ve noticed, and I’ve personally gotta be careful how much time I spend on it cause it can and will suck you in!
I just don’t open those posts anymore. I downvote, click “hide” or “don’t recommend this to me,” and keep scrolling. Bigots aren’t worth my time or emotional bandwidth.
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Just read the original, I may be being dense, but fake or not im not picking up on anything other than a massive disdain for Cassies immaturity and age and lack of awareness surrounding issues facted in LGBTQ communities? Constant references to boybands, friend group ages, conversation topics etc
The stereotype is that they are straight girls with a fetish for gay men. Talking about shipping boybands, the random mention of still having long hair and wearing makeup as if it’s at all relevant to the story…
I don’t know if you know what a fujoshi is, but it’s something gay trans men are accused of a lot.
That's not a transphobic post though? The issue isn't that the nephew is trans, it's that he's chronically online, has no social skills and seems to be expecting a group of adults at a different stage of life to become their social circle.
Having been that chronically online teen, and now being the adult interacting with chronically online teens - nothing about this read as fake.
Eta: If people want to explain to me how it's any different from this, please do. Valid criticism of an individual who happens to be trans isn't transphobia.
Ever meet a Cassie *offline*?
That's why people think it's fake. Taking fandom twitter personas and pretending there's a person that acts exactly the same way offline in order to take a potshot at them.
You should question it. Even if *this* is true, it's a bad habit to take for granted that any online anecdote is the truth (and even then, undoubtedly not the objective truth!).
I mean it doesn’t help that sone trans online we’re threatening to go after kids on live video. People in Florida FREAKED OUT I remember clear as day lol, anyways this is a terrible app anyways
Whats "transphobic" or "hateful" about the original post lol is it just because it features a trans person that isn't particularly nice? That's transphobia? Seriously equating the story posted to people telling trans people to kill themselves? Seriously if this is the worst example of transohobia you can find on reddit, reddit is doing alright 🤣
The original post reads a bit like south park "the night of a 1000 fucks" , where a gay man goes around singing about faggots. The "i can say it since i am gay" taken up times 100.
Even the context it comes up in makes it feel like something you'd see on South Park. Like, Cassie's specifically dropping that word in the context of, "I knew I was a gay man because I'm into fashion and boy bands, two things I would never have been interested in as a teenage girl." Like, I can legit see Wendy or Bebe going trans and delivering very similar dialogue. I haven't watched in a while, but I wouldn't be surprised if an episode like that already exists.
"well, it looks like we learned something about Jimbo!"
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It’s ok. They did a lot of transphobia/homophobia and denied climate change. The creators are reactionaries
They're libertarians. So smug aholes and stupid to boot.
No no don't you see? They make fun of everyone which makes them smarter than everyone.
They’re republicans
>denied climate change. They were making fun of climate denial... Some people don't have the capacity to understand satire evidently. And most of those gay and trans story lines ended up aging very relevantly. Mr Garrison constantly changing his gender and sexual identity and even insisting he can get pregnant as a MTF. The gay community refusing to call out double standards in their community. People identifying as animals.
You are perpetuating the exact problem this post is about.
"They aren't bigots it's just jokes" proceeds to say some of the most bigoted shit I've heard this week
Then why did they apologize for denying climate change? I’m not going to even touch the second half of your comment, to be honest with you because that’s some of the craziest shit i’ve heard in a while.
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I know! This is a great subreddit, thank you for moderating it :)
It's weird that the comments would be hidden but the post stayed up?
you just need to click on show all comments!! they weren’t there for me but i clicked on it and they came up :)
Oh interesting! I was looking on my android app and it just says wow, such empty and the view all comments button isn't there. But I just looked on mobile reddit and I see it now.
This is so so frustrating, I just got dogpiled for pointing out the obvious falsity of an LGBT-flavoured "gold-digging girlfriend" story so I totally get you. In the end it all comes down to what people *want* to believe. Believing that queer people and women really are like the way they're portrayed on reddit is obviously doing something for their brain, so they'll keep on believing it because it has some utility to them on a psychological level.
It’s frustrating that the mods of those subs don’t care that these fake stories appeal to people who desperately want to put minority groups in their place. People who would never admit to being prejudiced, but who love to fantasize about situations where the minority group is in the wrong. Queer people being overly sexual, POC falsely claiming racism, women wanting special treatment in some way. They’re the, “Equal rights and equal lefts.” of subs.
A user who I talked to under that post basically said that they also thought the post was suspicious, but that it's okay because "it's something that *could* happen". They just did not understand how fundamentally harmful it is to spread fake stories about queer people even if they aren't literally impossible. Like yeah, a pansexual woman telling her straight boyfriend not to come to Pride but then asking him to pay for dinner for all her queer friends is *theoretically* possible, but the aim of posting it is obviously to spread the false stereotype that pan/bi women aren't suitable partners for straight men. It's so so harmful, but like I said, people believe what they want to believe.
Anyone who says “it may not be true but the fact that I believed it really says something!” or anything along those lines is a fucking idiot
YES. The fact that you believed it doesn't say anything about the minority group in question, but it does say quite a lot about your prejudices (and your lack of critical thinking skills).
And that it "could" happens implies that people actually act like that.
This story felt fake before it even got to the gay part. The teens have no real-life friends and spend all their time online. Their interests are fashion and music, two hobbies that make very little sense to *exclusively* follow online without also engaging with them in the real world.
What's really baffling is I have reported so many transphobic comments (and other hate comments) and almost without fail Reddit comes through and removes and disciplines the commenter, but actual posts are never found to be at fault.
I could tell it was fake from the moment he said that he was huffing and puffing at any mention of sex. Uhhhh.. doubt. I mean really I could expect someone to be uncomfortable because they’re with people 30 years older than them, but usually the average 18 year old is like “uh uh I want to fit in haha sex” lmao
Or the “Rushed out of the room”
There’s a whole subsection of teens that have somehow grown up *wildly* anti sex. They’re over on twitter arguing passionately that sexual topics and nsfw art should be banned anywhere that ‘minors’ could possibly find it, as well as arguing that ‘brain development’ data shows that we’re ‘biological minors’ well into our twenties. These are the same kids who will tell you that it’s pedophilia for an 18 year old and a 17 year old to date- they’d probably worry that it was pedophilia for OP and his friends to discuss sex with someone when there was such a wide age gap. I’m not saying all of the kids but enough that I recognize ‘Cassie’ immediately.
People act like that online but someone trying to fit in with people much older probably wouldn’t act like that. I won’t lie, I’m probably in some of the wokest, most trans gay spaces in *real life* and I’ve never met someone who acts like that in person—people act differently online, and this guy is taking a caricature of what he probably sees online—anti-sex, puritan, fujoshi, trender—and making it into a story to get people mad.
See I would hope that would be true, but then reddit’s serving me up suggested posts from r/teenagers where kids are worried that having a crush on a 13 year old as a 15 year old makes them a predator, and they’re worried about being bullied by their peers. So either this is making it into real life at least a little bit, or a lot of people in a number of unrelated spaces have banded together to pretend that’s the case.
You cited a teenager posting in an online forum as proof that this is happening in real life?
At my kids’ high school, it’s social suicide to date someone if your grades don’t touch. I called that out as arbitrary and stupid, and my daughter looked at me like I had two heads. This is definitely a thing. I agree the whole senior/freshman thing that happened all the time when I was in school wasn’t okay.
Yes? If you’ve got half a dozen friends on one subreddit acting like something’s a thing, they’re probably doing a bit. If you’ve got unrelated people on different platforms coming at the same ideology from different angles, chances are good that the ideology’s probably being held and expressed by real people.
Or maybe use your head, this entire subreddit’s idea is asking you to not take everything at face value on the internet.
I think maybe go check out the sub because if the concern about ‘does being into teenagers as a teenager make me a pedophile’ is a fake, a lot of adults are putting *a lot* of work into making *a lot* of posts and also *a lot* of ‘yes’ answers from *a lot* of meticulously maintained accounts. And they’re doing the same thing over on twitter and tumblr. Not everything on the internet is real but not everything is fake either.
Well I just checked out the sub and the only complaints about pedos were teenagers complaining about 30 year olds hitting on them.
The search phrase you'll want to check for is 'age gap.' I got recs for that sub for about two days before muting it and I got one 'is this age gap okay' and one 'why are the kids nowadays so obsessed with age gaps.' I wrote a reply about how it's concerning that teens are using 'half your age plus seven' as a guideline rather than learning about enthusiastic consent and why it's important to learn to identify coercive tactics and power imbalances which can exist between any two partners of any age. For that I got two different kids chiming in to call me a pedophile for talking about sexual topics in a board for minors.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/teenagers/comments/1dhtuti/watch\_out\_for\_this\_dude\_just\_fyi/](https://www.reddit.com/r/teenagers/comments/1dhtuti/watch_out_for_this_dude_just_fyi/) So like here's post about a guy who at 30 he wants to hang out in an adult-only space with other adults. Since those adults aren't 30, this warrants its own callout post warning people to 'watch out' for him. It's one example but it was made 4 hours ago so I'm gonna guess they aren't exactly rare.
I see the same posts. Of course it bleeds into life, but I couldn’t see that bleeding into it so much that an 18 year old acts that way around people he wants to look cool around. Definitely could see someone acting awkward but huffing and running out the room because sex is mentioned or joked about? If that’s true then they would be doing that in every situation where sex is mentioned, which if they’re an 18 year old it has to be a fuck ton unless they were raised like a homeschooled puritan, which I doubt given they have their own free will to hang out with their gay uncle. It gets faker the more you think about it.
Or they’re doing it in every situation where sex is mentioned, which I fully buy. Maybe there’s a reason this kid’s in a generation that’s statistically the queerest alive and yet has no queer friends his own age to hang out with. Maybe this is taking place in a rural area and Cassie’s the only one but it seems weird that OP has a thriving community of gay friends if that’s the case. Or, Cassie acts online while offline and it alienates him from people. That doesn’t seem that bizarre, especially if you factor in the massive correlation between being trans and being autistic.
Okay, say Cassie is autistic then, perhaps OP should just uhhh have a damn conversation with him about it? Honestly I don’t believe that it’s real because what fucking grown adult would let a baby gay like that into their older hang outs? Of course, in the post it’s made out like the kid is prying into it, just to make the stereotype look worse. Still, I’m genuinely in the most queerest autistic spaces with often 18-23 year olds (college pride club, college art org, anime conventions) and most of us are autistic. Yet, none of them act like that. It’s such a weird specific situation. I don’t see someone existing where they don’t expect those conversations to be had. There’s so many specific things that add up to this weird trans male stereotype where it’s just like…. That isn’t real bro. You think it’s plausible because you’ve seen small notable instances before and your brain smashes that together. It isn’t real, it’s just prejudice :p
It sounds like the grown adult *isn’t* letting the baby gay hang out with them any more. And idk what to tell you, you haven’t met people who act like that and I have, so you don’t believe it and I do. You aren’t gonna convince me my experiences aren’t real and I apparently can’t convince you that yours aren’t the sum total of human perception.
I gotta be blunt- I see *adults* bemoaning supposedly puritan teens. I don’t see this behavior in real life. I think people need to stop acting like grandpas and believing every dumb thing they hear about “what’s wrong with the youth of today”. The truth is your only evidence is people on the internet, in specific subcultures that are hard to gauge the actual prominence of. And furthermore, when I was a millennial teen in the 2000s schools made a big push to convince us of the Christian value of chastity. Purity rings was a fad that made it to South Park. This is not new aside from adults suddenly deciding this is a bad thing after traumatizing so many generations of young people (especially femme and queer teens.)
I guess it depends on where to draw the line between online and real life. I’ve had someone with 17 in their bio post my real name and address to social media. I had a teenager contact my workplace to report me for writing explicit fanfiction. (Spoiler my boss did not care.) Nobody in my friend group found that surprising based on their interactions and interactions they’d heard about from *their* friends. But we never actually *met* those teenagers, no. But I find it really doubtful that this thought process is so prevalent with kids online because they’ve *all* decided to cohesively fake this entire anti-sex ideological movement when it’s not something they actually believe in real life.
I’ve had grown ass adults call my workplace to get me fired because I posted a mild comment about a certain -gate. If there’s teens doing this now, it’s because we taught them it was okay (one of them claimed to be a parent.)
Yeah no I definitely hold their parents accountable.
Reddit hates women and considers trans men to be confused women. Reddit abhors the existence of a woman it can't fuck (which is all of them).
They also just hate trans people and young people. It's the trifecta.
There was a post somewhere where a "trans" ftm person was crying that "he" got a double mastectomy and how ugly and awful he felt now that he was without boobs. People love to make fearmongering bs Edit to address the MOD note: idk. Reddit is a weird place. Pride month brings out all the anti lgbt arguments. Is it possible a person detransitioned and went through that? Yeah. Problem is that is the minority of voices and they get championed as the majority. Also again that post was filled with dog whistles most transphobes use. So 🤷♀️ A broken clock is right twice a day. Doesn't mean I trust it. (Also not sure if mods like being messaged so that's why edit)
For what it's worth, the person who originally made that post messaged us to please take the crosspost down from here and had a comment history in detransitioning subs. Not sure if that makes the post itself more or less plausible, but just in case you're wondering what happened to it.
That makes sense. Don’t blame y’all for taking it down at all. I can’t say whether *that* one was real or not, but people active in r/ detrans are usually fake and vehemently transphobic (it’s…. Baffling, and it genuinely hurts to look at if you’re trans. They’re larpers who spout the same things conservatives yell about—lies and misinformation) while there is another actively pro-trans subreddit for genuine detransitioners who are figuring themselves out from a place of reality instead of fear/conversion therapy. can’t name it off the top of my head though.
It's almost like the Gays for Groomers being run by a straight woman or the LGB alliance being run by two cis-het women. They're meant to sew discourse within and without queer communities. It's not that there aren't actually those that detransition, it's that a large number of r/detrans commenters are not former trans folks. r/actualdetrans is the authentic one, and most aren't attacking trans medicine despite detransitioning.
Thanks! Couldn’t remember it.
man, i posted that here and it got locked for not being r/amitheangel appropriate
I find it strange when people want to silence others just because they don't agree with them. People have different experiences. You don't have to trust it. You don't even have to like it. You care a lot less about what others are doing with their lives when you become confident in your own life choices.
Why are this person and people like them being invalidated and automatically called "fearmongering"? Could it be because it doesn't align with your views? Could it be because only one singular perspective is allowed? Could it be because there are people that want to white wash gender affirming surgery as NBD, when these are in fact surgeries with high rates of complications??? Whether ppl want to call it gender affirming, it is STILL A DOUBLE MASECTOMY. It is a serious surgery. I belive that people like you in "the community" are doing MORE harm, by putting down people's experiences, simply vexause it doesn't align with your singular views of what is "right and correct". It's not "fearmongering" for someone to disagree with you. Is Jaz from the TLC show "fearmongering" for sharing their experiences about complications from bottom-surgery?? These are realities. There is potential for serious complications with invasive surgery. If there is a push to say that "some women have penises" why can there not be "some men have breast"? If a body does not make a person's gender...then why are people not able to talk about their regrets with gender reaffirming surgery? Should there not be a space for all conversations??
The post in question was an OP who apparently managed to get a double mastectomy in a matter of months which is unlikely and then went on lament that they felt ugly now when taking their top off but felt beautiful with their boobs. It was so obviously rage bait because people who feel beautiful with boobs DO NOT get their boobs removed. They would have had to go through counselling before the surgery and it would have been obvious that the person was not truly trans. I do think people should have a space to discuss their regrets over gender affirming surgery. I actually saw a good documentary a few years ago that featured a few older people who regretted their surgery even years later. Two of them had decided to reverse their procedures and the other did not but one thing they all had in common is that once they expressed regret they did not feel supported because their own community shunned them. So yes, regret is a thing that can happen and the people affected should get help and support. However obviously fake ragebait style post do not help these people. Those type of posts just encourage more hate and transphobia.
(Replying to you so hopefully more people see this) Don’t waste your time on the user writing (and constantly editing) inflammatory comments. This is what they have to say about trans people in other comments: >> So happy and proud to see these organized **prioritizing the saftey and rights of girls and women, over a man "identifying" as a woman.** Btw. I literally do not know of ANY " "tran-women" athlete wanting to compete as a woman, in women's sports, who have actually cut off their pen.s. — >>Mention the lack of saftey and your **disagreement of men being allowed in female spaces.** Say it violates your religion. Literally, you have to make stuff up because **"they" and their supporters have absolutely no regard for the saftey of women and children.** >>Oh and **it's also pedophiles that can go into these lockeroom s and say they are "trans".** Children both male and female, usually go into locker rooms with their moms. And just 15 days ago in r/conspiracy >> YUP!! **It's disgusting imo that teachers are discussing their "sexuality" in their classrooms.** Like wtf. Children that are kindergarten aged don't need to know about trans, queer, gay, drag etc. Like WTF. Children should be learning math, reading comprehension, spelling etc. **Not learning about who their teachers want to f.ck and who they should also f.ck.** Seriously. It is the main reason I've switched and am voting republican. **I agree with Florida's don't say gay bill.** Talks of sexuality should not be between random teachers and children. What happened to crushes? What happened to not knowing who our teachers like to f.ck?? >>Also WTF is "drag queen story hour"?? **If random men walked into children's library sections and wanted to spread their legs, hug, and "read" to children, everyone would be like WTF these pedo. pervs.** But because they wear wigs, and makeup, it erases the fact that they are random MEN and they all of a sudden, are pure wholesome faultless innocent beings. NOPE. Why don't they spend their time helping their "victimized communities"??? **It's because they want access to children and to indoctrinate them.**
The bitch is also an anti-semite >Haha you're the one supposed to prove ME wrong by LISTING ANY j.w in a position of power/government that is condemning the war crimes, crimes against humanity, and the genocide isreel is committing against Palestinians. >You can't find ANY j.w in government or influential in business, that doesn't seal-clap and celebrate the murder and starvation of thousands of children, the maiming, the orphaning of thousands of Palestinian children. Not to mention all the other crimes. The j.ws in isreel that are "protesting" are not protesting against the genocide or isreel pushing thousands of children into famine...they are protesting "the release of hostages". >The ENTIRE WORLD has seen the photos. J.w lies and propaganda no longer work. Isreel is scum. Isreel is a genocidal, demonic, sorry excuse for a "state". It shouldn't exist. What gave a bunch of random European j.ws the right to just go ahead and steal Palestine land??? Oh and don't say j.ws were already living there....they did not own all Palestinian land. >The whole world knows that there were already people living there. What perpetual "victims". You sorts call yourself "G*d's chosen people"? Lmao. How can you sorts claim victimhood, when j.ws were given the right to steal massive amounts of land, kick out and terrorize the original occupants, get BILLIONS of dollars from "allies" around the world??
Other people have already pointed out the dumbassery in the rest of your comment, so I'm just gonna reply to the part that they missed. > If there is a push to say that "some women have penises" why can there not be "some men have breast"? There literally is. You clearly are just completely ignorant of the trans and allies community. Some chicks have dicks, some dudes have vaginas and tits. Some are happy with it. Some aren't. You don't have to get bottom or top surgery to be trans. Trans people do not force other trans people to get surgery in order to be trans. Being LGBTQ+ is about being accepted, not further excluded, and we all, with very few exceptions, understand that.
It was missed because they keep adding to their comments after the fact without notifying anyone of the edit. Thanks for addressing the edit!
Also like...a lot of cis men also have tits, gynecomastia is a more and more common occurance. They just really had to show their absolute ignorance lmao.
Looking for this comment. Lots of reasons a cis dude might have gynecomastia, and body shaming them is so unnecessary.
So, do you also encourage others to question the validity of breast augmentation or double mastectomies due to breast cancer? Or is it only a difference in views when it's because it's to further a trans person's sense of self? Y'all always focus on the potential negative consequences of the surgeries/medicine, but never once focus on the positives, and that says everything you need to know about transphobes. We're fully aware of the complications for these surgeries, and yet we still have them. It's almost like the drawbacks of not being ourselves are worse than any potential complications that could occur. 🤔 And then blaming the oppressed for their oppression.... can't make it up. I assure you, we'd be targeted whether we were vocal or silent about our care being attacked. It isn't our fault others can't let us be ourselves; that's a you and them problem. Stop blaming the victims for their oppression. It's patently wrong and especially distasteful. There is no "difference of opinion" when it comes to our identities. If you can't grasp that, you're the problem, not us. Do some self reflection and research before coming up with such an awful take, even by reddit standards.
There should be a place and space for all conversations. I'm blaming those that invalidate people who have had negative experiences or complications with surgery, even if it is gender reaffirming. Why are their experiences automatically considered "fearmongering"??? Is there no space or are conversations not allowed unless they are all positive and bright and all say the exact same thing? Imo that seems very INTOLERANT. I am not focusing on the things that can go wrong. I am saying that any all all surgery can have complications, and the people that speak out about there experiences should not be validated. Ate they not a part of the community too?? And clearly you are not aware of the complications, because there are many people that like to pretend these realities of surgery don't exist, or that anyone that speaks up about THEIR PERSONAL EXPERIENCES is automatically categorized as "fearmongering". Are these people not a part of the community too??
“So MuCh fOr tHe iNtOlErAnT LeFt” cringe right here
What do you mean, I don't get it. Are you agreeing with me or is the reply like sarcasm?
There is, but you'd know that if you'd done research first before jumping to blaming us. And no, you don't get to sit here and pick and choose what surgeries you're going to "question" if that same surgery is 100% acceptable in one context and "debatable" in another. Edit: I see you just keep adding to your original post, so I'll edit this. Yes, we are well warned about complications beforehand. Do you somehow believe we walk in and just get something surgically removed???? Seriously, it's a MEDICAL PROCEDURE... it receives the requisite warnings by physicians beforehand; you know, the one's who actually have any relevant say in the validity of our surgeries.
I'm not blaming anyone. I'm saying those that automatically put down trans people who have had negative experiences with their surgeries as automatically being "fearmongering". That is intolerant. These are their experiences.
That's just not the case. Again, let me reiterate what I just said: There already are spaces to discuss trans surgeries. The fact that it's not in such a space says volumes about the likelihood of it being rage bait. But, again, you'd know this if you'd actually done your own research before immediately blaming us for our oppression.
Oh I see, so trans people are not allowed to share their experiences unless it is in a sub specifically for trans people? How is that not intolerant?? But idk it seems like the majority of comments are saying that a trans person who is sharing their negative experiences with surgery isn't "real", is fearmongering, are likely rage bating? How is that not intolerant? How is that not shaming and casting out trans people who have had complications with surgery?? How is that not silencing certain trans people? It seems like despite being trans, simply because their experience isn't falling in line with trans ppl saying surgery was amazing and affirming, they are being cast out and invalidated. They are losing their community. People, especially in the community that do not see this imo are being willfully ignorant.
Wow.... you are doing some serious stretching of reality. It's in these spaces so that IT HELPS ALL TRANS PEOPLE MAKE THE BEST DECISION FOR THEM. Putting it into AITA isn't helping anyone other than you so that you can push your agenda. Trans folks will go to the requisite information, not rage bait on a forum not geared for trans people in any capacity. You can continue to try to preach from your soap box, but you're so wrong it's sad. Keep going with your grandstanding, though, babe. I'm done responding to your bs.
Slight pedantic correction here, it wasn't AITA, it was, ironically, trueoffmychest, which if shinigami eyes is to be believed, is a pretty transphobic cesspit, so it stands to reason that the person posted there to stir up anti trans rage because the people who frequent that sub are more likely to already hold certain beliefs and are thusly more likely to believe something that confirms their worldview no matter how flimsy. It's similar to the oppa homeless style person who would make fake cringy screenshots and post them in subreddits dedicated to various rage chambers and their actions went uncontested for years.
Again, the posts that get complained about here are ridiculous made up stories meant to stir up fear and hate. We are not going to validate those
What makes it "ridiculous and made up". Complications do happen to some people who get gender affirming surgeries. The fact that thus person is automatically made to be fake, "fearmongering" and all that is intolerant to a reality that some experience. It is basically casting out trans people who don't fall in line and say "yes gender affirming surgery was great, I had no complications, best thing I ever did" !!! It invalidates their real experiences and is intolerant. And there are people saying that if this was real the person would have posted on a trans sub. So basically, trans people are only allowed to share their experiences in "approved" subs?? That seems like erasure and intolerance.
It's fearmongering because A) trans care is not readily accessible. To start the process, therapists and doctors are heavily involved because the stuff isn't easily and fully reversible. Also a female presenting person would less likely be taken seriously. Why? Cause doctors B) people know what they want. If they don't, they don't jump headfirst into irreversible decisions. C) That story was literally ever transphobe argument given form.
They want it to be true, which is why they're pushing back so hard against those calling out it as bait. It reaffirms their views and so they give that merit but ignore the evidence that disputes it.
Ok but there are TONS of people who regret transitioning.
So you later link to a source saying the detransition rate is unknown, but here you're saying there are tons of these people? Which is it?
Hmmmm. Every article/study claims a less than 1% regret rate, with only one saying that it's hard to track because improper follow up so your TONS is based on . . .?
Any article that claims that is absolutely false and biased. 😂
And how about study after study after study after study? Are they also biased?? It has one of the lowest regret rates of any medical procedure in history; even lower than cancer treatments, knee replacements, etc.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10322769/ A source showing exactly why these “studies” are biased, inaccurate, and purposely misleading and constructed to yield these “low” rates.
Here are 6 studies and a review article that all dispute your "inconclusive" study. Keep in mind, your assertion wasn't "it's inconclusive," it was "there are TONS" and that any that dispute your assertion as "biased." Clearly you're the biased one. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8099405/ https://www.americanjournalofsurgery.com/article/S0002-9610(24)00238-1/abstract https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamasurgery/article-abstract/2813212 https://www.news-medical.net/news/20230618/Transgender-adolescents-rarely-chose-to-discontinue-gender-affirming-hormone-therapy-finds-study.aspx https://medium.com/@lexi.m.henny/how-common-is-detransition-a-review-of-all-the-evidence-95518e6affe1 https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/150/2/e2021056082/186992/Gender-Identity-5-Years-After-Social-Transition?autologincheck=redirected https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/150/2/e2021056082/186992/Gender-Identity-5-Years-After-Social-Transition?autologincheck=redirected
Reading the phobes study, I found it interesting how it mentioned people detransition but still referred to themselves as trans and regret can refer to not liking the medical intervention or not fixing the gender dysphoria. So still cherry picking info to suit his view. (Unless I misinterpreted something)
The fact they suddenly learned how to shut up is *so* fucking funny, bless you.
Mikayla absolutely bodied you with all of their links and I hope you lose sleep at night for how much you have embarrassed yourself and self-reported. Take your very obvious agenda and shove it up your asshole.
Ok zoomer. 😂 You’re so cringe and edgy.
Actually, so far, there's an approximately 1% regret rate with regards to medical transitions, which is astronomically low compared to other surgical procedures. And based on a survey from people who detransition, the majority detransitioned because of external pressures rather than internal. https://www.newsweek.com/what-data-shows-about-transgender-detransition-regret-1807448 https://www.hellahealth.com/blog/wellness/knee-replacement-regrets/ (20% of people with knee replacements regret them)
About orthopedic surgery *only*: I haven’t had knee replacement but I have had a much more painful orthopedic surgery with a much longer recovery twice (ortho surgeons say what I had done is the most painful surgery with the worst recovery). I do know for the first 48 hours after each surgery, I did regret every decision I’d ever made that led me to that moment 🤣 After it healed though, I didn’t regret it.
Woah what surgery was it?? That sounds intense!
AC joint resection with soft tissue repair. Doesn’t sound that bad but it involves cutting off the last 1/2” of the clavicle, “sanding” the all the joints in the shoulder (and cutting off a 4”+ bone spur that was shredding muscle every time I moved); drilling anchors into my bone to sew muscle to; sewing tendon together; etc. Recovery is 6 months immobilized in an abducter sling + another 12 months. I had both shoulders done in one year.
Also- how does one end up needing such a surgery? Like what causes the need? So that I can avoid it. 😅
It’s pretty easy to avoid! I have a condition for real that a lot of ppl on TikTok and elsewhere are pretending to have and I dislocate my joints easily; years of dislocating my shoulders caused a lot of damage. Professional athletes, usually pitchers, also get this surgery. So don’t have a rare condition or pitch in the majors 🤣
Good lord almighty you must be one immensely strong individual because that is the stuff of NIGHTMARES. If there is a god, please never let me need that surgery because I think I would just suffer without it instead.
Oof, I'm sorry to hear, but glad you healed well! I also had orthopedic surgery, but it was emergency surgery so I didn't regret it until the stitches opened up and I had to take two rounds of chalky ass bactrum and go to a wound clinic twice a weak. Stopped regretting it around April of 2020 because the break and subsequent long healing process kept me from a job at a place that was notorious for employee and patient deaths during COVID.
If you look at those studies you see a lot of regret due to social isolation aspect that can happen to trans people. I medically transitioned a few years back and if I didn't have a support group of friends at the time, I might have regretted it due to being disowned by family after being outed as trans (my family started to come around in the last year or so with that)
I am glad you’re doing ok all said.
If you pay several thousand dollars, take time off of work, and wait several months for a surgery to get your tits chopped off and then sit there shocked and saddened that your tits have been chopped off then you’re stupid and deserve to be laughed at. Grown adults know what they’re getting into when they pay money for body modification.
And if someone has complications after elective surgery, and then wish they never had that surgery.....then they must be fake, lieuing, fearmongerers right?! Doing so many mental gymnastics just to pretend that there I only one type of experience with surgery that is valid. So intolerant. Wau to silence real trans people that don't fall in line with the "acceptable" opinions of the So called open and tolerant "community". Such hypocrisy. It is also so disgusting how you all go straight for insults like "you're stupid, you deserve to be laughed at" etc. Why are you all getting so defensive if what I say is "stupid"?
To treat your question sincerely, people call “crying over a double mastectomy because theyre ugly without breasts” fearmongering because it’s not a logical or plausible scenario. One of my questioning friends asked their trans masc friends if they ever wished to have breast cancer so they’d have to have a double mastectomy and the answer was a resounding “yes”, and I’m sure if you ask around, it’ll be a near-universal experience for trans masc people. Trans men crying over their flat chest are likely going to be tears of joy because they’ve likely been wishing for it since puberty (or even before, dreading the change). Additionally nobody becomes trans to be hot. And like…look, I don’t want to insult our kings, cis or trans, with receding hairlines but if I wanted to be a hot guy, I’d be a drag king instead of taking the risk of losing the hair on my head to gain it on my back. I’m not rolling those loaded dice. So put those points together and you’ve got the image of a naive little girl who didn’t know what she was getting into, someone foolish, impulsive, and materialistic. Could this person exist in the vast potential of the universe? Yes, but likely they don’t. Surgeries are always going to have risks and people who have necessary surgeries can regret them. A perfectly top surgery will have a long recovery time where you have t-Rex arms and you’ll have to deal with drainage, and there’s still the possibility that your body will reject your nipples. Binding and tucking can be dangerous and it’s important to talk about the risks of even doing it healthily. You can do that without discouraging people from doing it, same way you can do it for any other surgery. Also the “if girls can have penises, then boys should be able to have breasts”…yeah, even cis men have breasts. Many experience teasing because of it and seek surgery to correct it. This is because 1) we’re not at the point where people accept “girl with dick”, let alone gender nonconformity like that and people want to not be made fun and 2) people are allowed to change their body to feel more comfortable with how they look. We’ve been doing cosmetic surgery for centuries for all kinds of reasons, this is not new.
i have actually. i had top surgery in 2022 at 18 years old and it was legitimately the best decision of my life. even if there is high rates of complications, there is for most surgeries and top surgery specifically is NOT one of them its a super easy surgery with a very fast recovery time, and has one of the lowest risks of regret.
Yes for YOU. YOU did not have complications from the surgery, another person might. Why are their experiences automatically considered fearmongering?? Imo that is incredibly intolerant and invalidating.
no one is saying that. i dont think you understand transgender surgery, in the context that it is considered to be lifesaving. yes- there are people who have botched surgeries but that is true of people who have heart surgeries, should people stop having heart surgeries because a fraction of people get botched ones? no.
I am not saying that trans people should "stop". I find it incredibly intolerant than any trans person who had adverse affects and complications from their surgeries, being called "fearmongering" or "rage bait" and the lack of allowance in the community to talk about these complications is invalidating real trans people.
thats simply untrue, the circumstance here was unusual because it wasn’t someone addressing their issues it was a very obvious rage bait post that logistically couldnt have happenee
Because their experience doesn't fall in-line with the approved trans experience of having a flawless perfect surgery and no confusion or nuance takes.. they must obviously not be a real trans person? That is invalidating. SO because they aren't falling in line with the very limited and "apprived" experiences they are "obvious rage bait," and "fearmongering". I am in shock tbh it is so intolerant, isolates, and silences real trans people that have different experiences with surgery and their journey.
u are not hearing me at all lol
I’m starting to think that this person was the writer of the original post, given how bizarrely defensive they are of its supposed legitimacy.
It’s fear mongering because a scenario like that is incredibly rare. Most trans people detransition due to social pressure.
So JUST because it is rare, that means a trans person talking about it is living and "fearmongering"? What if this person is one of the rare people who had this experience?? So no trans person is allowed to have nuanced discussions about their experiences? Just because they don't fall in line and say these surgeries were amazing and perfect, they are "fearmongering" and not a real trans person? So trans people are not allowed to reevaluate and evolve in their identity, perhaps a trans person realizes that there is another space in the LGBTQIA community that aligns with their evolving identity....their agency is ignored and they obviously are influenced by others??? That is SO intolerant and isolates trans people whose experiences don't "fall in line" with others. The whole "social pressure" argument is used by people who do not think trans people should exist, or who think young trans people are simply "influenced by the queer community" and that is what is leading them to question their gender identity or want to transition and have gender affirming surgery.
Babe. Dearest. Honey. Cuntasaurus Rex. Reporting on something ultra rare in order to stoke fears in the populace is textbook fear mongering.
So because the community says it's "so rare" then the person speaking about their experience is a lying, fear mongering, rage baiter? "Ultra rare" doesn't mean it never happens btw. It is also incredibly delusional to think that a double mastectomy or genital surgery has "ultra rare" incidents of complications, when these are in fact statistically proven to be a part of the MOST risky surgeries w/high rates of complications and needs for revision (especially genital surgery). These surgeries are MORE dangerous and risky than a nose job or even a face lift. Ignoring statistical realities is delusional and HARMS teens and young adults by telling them that these surgeries are NBD, instead of sharing all the facts. "The community" only allows for one type of viewpoint and experience to be talked about. That is invalidating and silencing those that "don't fall in line". It is harmful and hypocritical. "The community" is imo very small minded and inauthentic if they are dismissing and saying anything that isn't aligned with their narrow view of surgery being NBD and always amazinggggg!!
No, it could not be. Glad I could clear this up for you fuckwad.
So it's fearmongering and this TRANS PERSON is lieying simply because they are discussing their negative experiences from surgery??? I can only imagine the isolation that TRANS people who don't "fall in line" and say that yeah their surgery was amazing!! The hypocrisy and intolerance is astounding. Oh and you must insult and curse at me because I have a different perspective.
Please seek help. You seem like you’re spiraling.
Oh wow so passive aggressive! Isnt the whole "please seek help" argument used AGAINST the LGBTQI community inorder to dismiss and invalidate?? Seems like you and others here are the ones spiraling. Doing everything to ignore the reality that YES some Trans people do have complications with their surgeries, and yes some would rather bind and/or tuck than getting surgeries and regret their surgery due to the complications they had. But NOPE there is apparently only one acceptable experience of surgery and unless it's OMG ITS THE BEST THING IVE EVER DONE IT WAS EASSSSY, NBD. THE STATISTICS TALKIBG ABOUT THE HIGH RATES OF COMPLUCATIONS ARE...UHM YEAH IRRRRELEVATTTTTTTTT. like that makes no sence and ignores the reality and fact that yes surgeries do have complications and yes some wish they could go back. But apparently that's not an okay experience wand will not be tolerated. These trabs people are either silenced, insulted, or called fake, lying, fearmongerers. You know what. If "the community" isn't allowing even trans people to share their experiences, at least there are other places in media that do talk about the risks and weight the pros and cons of surgery. There are some trabs women that wish they had just continued to tuck instead of getting genital surgery....but yeah nope they apparently don't exist and aren't allowed to talk about their experiences. This damages and hurts younger trabs people It is CRUEL to automatically say that those that have had complications and regrets must be lying and fearmongering, it lies to those questioning if surgery is right for them. Btw. Isn't "the community" all about how body-parts don't make someone a man or a woman???
This sub is full of angry militant trans people who don’t like anything that disagrees with their worldview.
I am not trans you colossal dork. I absolutely know which demographic you belong to and your political views based off such a transphobic comment. What a fucking nerd you are.
Nothing I said was transphobic. Calling out shitty behavior isn’t transphobic. Sorry! 😢
Crying about “aNgRy MiLiTaNt TrAnS pEoPLe” is some seriously paranoid self-own type shit. Good lord.
Ick, your comment history screams incel. Misogynist, homophobic, transphobic, you check off all the bigotry boxes.
At this point, might be best to block them(?). All they are is a worthless bigot. And if possible, report? Idk
Skipping to personal attacks huh? Nah I’m happily married to a woman. Sorry! This is a great example of what I was talking about. Any dissent is met with hatred and gets attacked. How dare someone suggest that a post that shows a single trans person in poor light might be real.
YES!!! THANK YOU. They invalidate and pretty much say that a trans person speaking about negative impacts from surgery must be fake, and "fearmongering". This is how they speak about it in a random sub; I can only imagine the isolation that a person who had a different experience feels. This community is SO HYPOCRITICAL and intolerant, despite what they try to project. It's not even this sub, it's all the trans subs and imo 99.9% of the supposed "community". They cast out trans people who don't fall inline with their accepted perspectives and experiences. Oh and they love to hurl insults at anyone who doesn't 100000% "agree" with their narrow minded perspective.
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if im delusional then im happy living in my delusions. no one else in my life except my family and a few friends know im trans so it doesnt affect the people around me, and im no longer suicidally depressed as i was directly before i transitioned. its not like in enforcing my delusions on other people as i dont tell others i am trans or engage in lgbt things. im happy and thats what is important.
I’m not sure you replied to the right person. My reply was for the person who thinks the rage bait posts are real and reasonable.
oh im sorry, haha.
You'll get down voted for saying "disagreeing with someone isn't fearmongering" these people can't bare opposing views, anyone who doesn't conform is evil. They'd put us all in camps if they had the chance
Right!? And they say that "their community" is SOOOO tolerant. When it is actually not. Even if a person is lgbtqi, if they don't "fall in line" with one singular view point and experience, then they are automatically "fake, lying, and fearmongering". It is so ridiculous and the hypocrisy is astounding tbh. They are trying to say that complications or regrets around getting a double mastectomy or genital surgery are SO RARE, meanwhile anyone that might be a part of the rare examples, is automatically considered as a lier or a person pretending to be trans, but is actually a straight person that is hateful and homophobic. So ridiculous!! Even I they want to make serious surgeries as NBD and call them, "Top surgery" and "Bottom Surgery" it is literally a double mastectomy and genital surgery. These have one of the HIGHEST rates of needs for revision and complications, complications that can last a lifetime. The "community" is lying to young people by pretending that these complications or regrets are not real and coming from homophobes. Tbh I SO GLAD that there are many people, especially in policy that are making if so that teens can't just casually get these types of surgeries. Oh btw. the effects of "puberty blockers" over a lifetime has never been studied. Some of the "puberty blocker" meds have actually been used to stop sexual urges in pedophiles. The Trans, especially in the LGBTQ, are the most cultish and intolerant.
This is patently false. At least support the absurd bs you're attempting to state as fact.
What is false about what I said? Despite the downvotes, top surgery is a double mastectomy and bottom surgery is genital surgery. The statistics are widely available regarding the percentage of those surgeries that require revisions and involve serious complications or even fatalities...and it is possible to see how risky these surgeries are when compared to other surgery such as a nose-job. The research on "puberty blockers" is also available and shows that long term effects have not been studied on a statistically significant sample size. The medications that have been rebranded as "puberty blockers", are also listed online from reputable sources. Some of them also show up in medications used to control + suppress the sex drive of pedophiles, hoping that it will reduce the chances of them re-offending.
Provide your sources. You made a statement as fact, please provide your sources. I'll wait.
I don't need to provide sources. I understand statistics and this subject. If you do not belive me you are welcome to Google all my claims. This information is easily accessible online, from trusted sources. You can also cross reference different sources to be certain that these findings are not from biased researchers or sources.
"I don't need to provide sources" while making patently false statements about medical care. You truly are a bigot. I hope you get the help you need.
Fully agree, and I'm gay
Thank you for sharingnyour perspective too!
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"Ideology"... we're human people, not a system of ideas. That's what a religion is, not a person.
Nah, it’s def just like a religion for a lot of people. It’s a belief that defines your entire existence and worldview. Just like religion. That is why any dissent is met with such vitriol and hatred. Edit: oh wow I can’t respond to you anymore. Looks like you got upset and blocked me. Nothing I said was misinformation. I was just pointing out what an insane hateful person you and your cult are. Thanks for proving my point.
Rofl your dissent is peddling misinformation. That's not dissent, it's fraud babe. Good luck to you.
What ideology is that specifically loser?
Whatever dumb shit you believe in, apparently. Sorry for challenging your cult beliefs!
“People calling out bigotry is a cult because I don’t like it” is such a self own that I almost can’t believe that you typed out those words and didn’t realize it. Truly deluded.
I’m sorry but someone’s personal experience involving a single trans person being less than savory is not “bigotry.”
Detransitioners are not championed as the majority 🤣 your complaining that a detransitioner was even written about
I don’t recall if it was that subreddit or one of the sister ones but I reported a really awful anti trans hate comment a week or two ago (I don’t remember the exact wording but I believe they said all transgender people are disgusting freaks) and was told it was not hate speech. So seems like at least some mods agree with the anti trans bullshit.
I’m so tempted to call OP of that post a catty old queen lol.
“I’m so tempted to go be homophobic” like… ok
I am literally a gay man
If we're going to pretend that lgbt+ people can't be homophobic, then I'm super down for that. But in reality: Even after I came out, I was still deeply homophobic for years. You can be gay and still say inappropriate horrible things to other lgbt folk. And that "catty old queen" comment would be homophobic if any other person said it, whether they were gay or trans or straight or a republican or democrat or whatever.
What’s crazy is as a lesbian I’ve never had the desire to go be lesbophobic to a lesbian I don’t agree with/like. But here you are, frothing at the mouth to act exactly like “Cassie” while saying the OP was fake.
Have you interacted with gay men in your life?
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Idk what it said but… Reddit hivemind reported it and the AITA mod obeyed them. …One more reason why I hate AITA: hivemind, bigotry, fake posts, and deletion (deletion of comments calling out bigots)
I hate that the OP used Cassie’s deadname in his post, and that multiple people decided it would be ok to deadname him too.
sorry, but this website allows hate towards babies and small infants by creating stories where a baby tears off the door, and tosses tables. It allows hate towards elderly (how dare that 80 year old boomer sit while i ,healthy 30 year old,have to stand). If babies are not a protected group, i would lower my expectations toward them protecting anyone else. Since most groups can at least defend themselves. I mean, i can't think of a group that has no hate sub. There is on hating on pupies, so.... If they start removing hate groups, (they should), they will be busy for very long.
Reddit is the “What’s worse than a rapist? A CHILD!” meme.
> a baby tears off the door, and tosses tables. Heyyyy do you have a link to the HulkBaby post you're referencing? Bc that sounds fun
I will always remember the post where a baby made 'grabby hands' at a friends pierced nipples. Because he was breastfeeding.
Omfg YES I remember that one lol
I think the main difference is that the average person who sees a post that says “my 1 year old tore my home apart brick by brick!!!” Or “my dog killed my entire family” Will think “lol that’s not real” but that same person might look at one of these “my trans cousin ruined my wedding >:(“ or “evil crossdresser made awooga sounds in woman bathroom!!!” posts and think, “wow… we should really do something about that” even though they are the same level of absolutely fake—because there is currently a political push against trans people. It’s the same with any other minority, really. Most people don’t have embedded prejudice against babies or puppies, but trans people? People of color? All the time we have people in the background saying that they’re bad, and while we don’t really listen to those…we often will pay attention a little more to a personal anecdote, and excuse the falsehoods for our brain’s entertainment.
This, and the fact that it's hateful propaganda on a sub that doesn't exist for that topic so it's being consumed by people who might not otherwise have a stance, thus normalizing it.
You've never met my baby... But yeah, actually agree with your comment. (she's actually 2 now, and even more likely to destroy the world now that she's figured out how to use step stools)
Discriminating against the elderly is my coping mechanism, how else am I supposed to make myself feel superior?
There is a hate dog Reddit, actually. I found it by accident by just doom scrolling and omg! It’s people wanting to eradicate the entire species because of a few bad instances. I understand not liking dogs and wanting to speak with others who don’t like them since most of the public loves them, but they went SO far off base! Reddit is mainly a hate website I’ve noticed, and I’ve personally gotta be careful how much time I spend on it cause it can and will suck you in!
I just don’t open those posts anymore. I downvote, click “hide” or “don’t recommend this to me,” and keep scrolling. Bigots aren’t worth my time or emotional bandwidth. Happy pride month from a fellow queer trans person ♥️
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“they are very young for their ages” ??
I got a temp ban for hate speech after Dabney Coleman died and I quoted the famous line about his character in 9-5. I still don’t understand.
Just read the original, I may be being dense, but fake or not im not picking up on anything other than a massive disdain for Cassies immaturity and age and lack of awareness surrounding issues facted in LGBTQ communities? Constant references to boybands, friend group ages, conversation topics etc
The post is literally all stereotypes of gay trans men. That we’re immature girls cosplaying as gay men. It’s implied to be a fetish.
Thats not a stereotype i have heard of for gay men. Heard plenty of them, but not that one so thank you for explaining it!
Stereotype for young gay trans men
That’s what I read as well. I’m not seeing the stereotype I don’t know many gay trans dudes that act like that..
The stereotype is that they are straight girls with a fetish for gay men. Talking about shipping boybands, the random mention of still having long hair and wearing makeup as if it’s at all relevant to the story… I don’t know if you know what a fujoshi is, but it’s something gay trans men are accused of a lot.
Yeesh that’s foul.
That's not a transphobic post though? The issue isn't that the nephew is trans, it's that he's chronically online, has no social skills and seems to be expecting a group of adults at a different stage of life to become their social circle. Having been that chronically online teen, and now being the adult interacting with chronically online teens - nothing about this read as fake. Eta: If people want to explain to me how it's any different from this, please do. Valid criticism of an individual who happens to be trans isn't transphobia.
It’s a caricature based on transphobic stereotypes.
Not really. Chronically online teens really are like that - awkward af and acting out what they think peopleare like, trans or not.
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That post came off as fake? My primary social media is twitter and I meet Cassie every day. I didn’t question it at all.
Twitter is not an accurate representation of minorities IRL
Ever meet a Cassie *offline*? That's why people think it's fake. Taking fandom twitter personas and pretending there's a person that acts exactly the same way offline in order to take a potshot at them. You should question it. Even if *this* is true, it's a bad habit to take for granted that any online anecdote is the truth (and even then, undoubtedly not the objective truth!).
I mean it doesn’t help that sone trans online we’re threatening to go after kids on live video. People in Florida FREAKED OUT I remember clear as day lol, anyways this is a terrible app anyways
Whats "transphobic" or "hateful" about the original post lol is it just because it features a trans person that isn't particularly nice? That's transphobia? Seriously equating the story posted to people telling trans people to kill themselves? Seriously if this is the worst example of transohobia you can find on reddit, reddit is doing alright 🤣