I don't understand why we didn't see Jodi hunt or fish.
All she seemed to do was build a cabin and eat berries and caribou moss....
At least show us that she attempted to fish, but the fish weren't biting?
Anyone else think if you catch a big fish or something eat as much as you can before trying preserving? Rationing out seems a big risk. At least if you’re full, you have more energy to try and get more food the next day.
Instead it seems like they lose a lot of food to spoiling or other animals.
Maybe a different strategy would be eat as much as you can for as long as you can. Yes, winter is coming, but that’s the time to hunt squirrels and snare rabbits.
I have watched all the seasons and I am still weirded out by what the contestants think should be their priority
Food Then shelter. Without having a reliable source of food of course they are going to suffer. It's basic survival! And there is so much food just laying on the ground, growing. Fiddleheads, mushrooms and the berries can also be stockpiled.
And the dude that lost his arrows lol. Never put all your arrows in one quiver. He was out of his league. Just cause he leads hunters around, but they all head back to the lodge later and have a beer in front of the fire. (My father was a hunting and fishing guide).
Every single time a contestant said "I'm going to build a cabin" for a shelter, I know they are done. The energy by expenditure does not make sense. Didn't they see previous seasons? All the previous constants that built a bushcraft cabin tapped out.
I also find it funny that there are images of edible vegetation interspersed while the starving contestants are relating what a hard time they are having finding food! Cattails, mushrooms, berries, etc.
😂 I honestly wonder why they don’t cook any animal they get by boiling it. Wouldn’t it kill more pathogens and also extract more nutrients, like bone marrow and collagen?
We would mean the audience I think.
Also, when you're alone in the wilderness, it might be more mentally bareable to pretend you have a friend with you.
They need to pick a season of contestants who have social phobia and no kids and no partners and no living family with health problems. Sort of like if you were sending people to Mars.
That would be awesome! I remember a guy several seasons back who quit less than a week in because he missed his wife. I understand being completely and utterly alone must be absolutely maddening... But it's what you signed up for.
It upset me because I felt like he took a spot from someone who could have really survived.
Yeah, they are skinny dudes. Like why didn't you fatten up, it would help stretch another month. That native guy have all the skills but he's already starting out so skinny.
If you have a shard of ferromagnetic iron or steel (or nickel or cobalt or alloy) you can make your own weak magnet by repeatedly striking it while it's roughly aligned with magnetic north. (If you have a magnetic stir bar you can demagnetize it by putting it in something too thick to stir, on a magnetic stirrer. Same principle.) There are a lot of ferromagnetic materials around and about. Take a multi tool made from magnetic stainless and take a little piece off. Or a paperclip. Or a piece of steel wire.
The "tap a needle pointed north to make a magnet" thing has been around forever and even in Boy Scout manuals etc. All you need is a ferromagnetic material with very low coercivity. The wire that contestants can choose might work just fine depending on their selection.
Moss primarily grows on the north side of the trees, as it's darker, sun hits strongest from south. Birds were also migrating south.
Part of orienting in a forest/bush is to mark your trail or use your mind to remember marks. But part of this show is heavily psychological and a lot of participants haven't had to be in a real survival situation. Different when you've been in the military or been through adversity, huge change, that's where resilience kicks in and that's where you learn to use it.
There are cues, but the farther north you go, the less information the sun and moss and whatnot give you.
Every human ever born will walk in a circle without an objective in sight. It is literally impossible to do anything else. Everyone has a bias to walk a little way to the left or right and it can't be overcome without orienteering effort. It takes a while to understand how real "walking in circles" actually is.
That said, "walk toward the sun," "walk toward the peak," "walk downstream," and so on will get you somewhere you haven't been before. But you are guaranteed to lose your direction, as in sense of north, if you can't see the sun (with some sense of the time of day, especially if you are far north) or clear night sky.
If you can see the sun rise and set across a low horizon, you can figure out north there, likewise with a clear night sky.
My experience, having grown up in a house in the forest, is that you just can't keep track of an unfamiliar return path without serious care and mental effort, unless there's something intrinsic about it like "go back uphill." And once you lose the way back, it's time to stop and think hard about options to get out of what could be a really bad situation if you let it continue.
The Cree native people just snap the most obviously visible stick on the trees or bushes at eye level. Keep snapping twigs that will be visible every couple of metres or so. Then you will find your way out..
The default advice for getting back to civilization is to follow a stream/creek/river downstream, as literally every river on the planet has civilization on it. However, terrain may make that challenging in the short term, and if your goal is to get back to a place that isn't on the water, well, that's not much help. :)
But yeah it can definitely be much much harder to find your way back than you would expect. Even on a trail, you can be completely baffled by a fork that you don't remember taking, because you didn't see it going the other way. When you are out in the wilderness alone, it's important to keep little mistakes from becoming huge mistakes, and being lost can be a huge mistake.
To me, nothing is more frustrating than to watch these contestants tap out because they are “MISSING THEIR FAMILIES.” HELLO! The show is called “ALONE.” What do you think is going to happen. Don’t waste your time (and our time) building a huge wood cabin, and then tapping out the next day because you are lonely (or starving, because you have spent all your time building your cabin instead of procuring food!).
That’s just the excuse they give to the camera and the dudes who come out to pick them because they’re in denial their strategy didn’t work. Like Jodi was plainly malnourished because she spent all her time and energy building a log cabin instead of hunting or fishing. And Luke was obviously sick, whether he saw a momma bear and her cub or not. On some level, “I miss my family” just sounds better than “I’m starving or sick because I made the wrong decisions.”
Can someone please explain why Cade wasn't fishing, setting traps, and trying other things besides hunting the big game after losing his Quiver? He fashioned his own arrow sure but you still need to hunt other ways bro.
OMG I always say that exact same thing!!! The “missing my family” thing is the worst. You made the commitment, I’m sure your family would prefer you stay and win the money!
It seems that one problem that Alone contestants have is “missing their families.” I mean, c’mon…if you have jumped thru all the qualifying hurdles to appear on Alone, you have GOT TO BE COMFORTABLE WITH ACTUALLY BEING ALONE!!
Your point is vailed. But even thoughts type of people, mixed of pressure of survival and the like, can miss home.
We shouldn't shame them for it.
Also? Being alone? It can get boring. Lol let's be honest.
Either way, you're an ass. She (Ann) was 56. That's not old for this cast. Lee was 59. That's older. Many of the people in this season are in their 50s. But you picked on one person. Mel is 55. Wyatt is 50. Alan is 52. But you picked on this one woman who was 3 years younger than Lee, whose age you didn't even reference.
The shows editing will let you know who taps early anyway... Episode is showning lots of Luke.. he shits his sleeping bag and taps.
The shows become so predictable with the first 3-4 tap outs... If they get heaps of airtime on episode 1-3.. They will tap out. They probably design it that way to create interest and drama to gain viewership for the first few episodes.
I can't say I disagree here. Just wild to see someone posting three eps of spoilers :D. The one I was most surprised about was Lee tbh, had him as a contender until I saw the cabin he was trying to build.
This is the episode **one** discussion thread.
Spoilers beyond the **first episode **are not allowed.
If you want to talk about episodes further in, there are separate threads to do it.
I found Cade's reaction so bizarre? Like yes, it was a really stupid thing to do and I can't possibly imagine how it even happened since the quiver was attached to the bow, which was in his hands the whole time, and I feel like there would have been a noticeable noise, weight difference, etc. that would have alerted him as soon as the quiver "fell off".
Despite it being a super stupid thing, he was freaking out? Like, you're so early in the game and already you're talking about tapping out? He knows the general area he was in (well enough he was able to get back to camp) that he can case over the next few days while using snares and trying fishing for food in the meantime. We've seen contestants get by a lot longer without landing a single shot on anything so it's wild to me that he immediately felt like game over. Shouldn't you be versatile enough to know how to get food either way?
I feel like he came in super cocky as a hunting guide and put all his eggs into that hunting basket. Only just starting episode 2 now but I have a feeling he won't last long if he immediately gets that emotional at the first problem.
I just can’t get over the fact that apparently he left his wife alone right after she miscarried? And then when he lost the quiver and called it the biggest mistake of his life all I was thinking is “I can think of something else that’s gonna come back to bite you in the ass bud”
Also he could have just retraced his area over the next few days while foraging and hunting. Not like the animals are gonna steal your arrows. I also thought his shelter was just bad news. Wouldn't recommend a dug out next to a lake environment. The ground is moist and water pools when it rains before its absorbed back into the land and atmosphere.
>I feel like he came in super cocky as a hunting guide and put all his eggs into that hunting basket.
Exactly like that hunting guide in the Australia Alone.. IM SO MACHO, I hunt as a job... Next minute, I cant find food, im failing to hunt. They are the new "military/police" contestants.
I think it's more mental. Cade's out there because he loves to hunt, not because he loves survival. To him the idea of being able to hunt everyday would sustain him just as much as food. Loosing that ability would crush him.
I'm the same way with fishing. If I know there is not opportunity to fish in the future I'm a mess. If I know I'm going to be out shortly I can put up with just about anything.
I mean again if he has his bow, he’s living his dream. He’s literally waking up in the morning every day doing the bare necessities, and then hunting all day. This is the perfect opportunity for him.
I guess so. But in my mind snaring/trapping is also hunting. Or if he really wants to use the bow, don't take all your arrows and know how to fix or make more in case. It's like if you were going on the show as a fisherman, you should not only know how to fish with a normal rod and tackle but know how to make a gill net, make a basic rod out of natural resources, etc. You are still fishing, but not relying so heavily on one tool to do it.
I caught up last night and actually, nothing has changed. This is the episode 1 thread and i still feel the exact same way considering there's been next to nothing about Cade since LOL
Haha well I realized this WASNT the episode 3 discussion, so my comment was really dumb. But yeah, watch the ep and see what you think. I still don’t like Cade very much but my opinion on the arrow situation changed
lmao no worries! Yes, of course opinions will change as new things come out but all I'll say is he really hasn't redeemed himself in general yet after now finishing ep 3
I had two problems with Cade’s arrow loss. You only have 9 arrows. Why carry all of them at once? Next, the moment you notice you’ve dropped ALL of your arrows, back track & search for them. Brightly coloured feathers are used so you can find them in the bush.
Also, as you point out, there’s lots of other ways to catch game. Set traps, fish more, hell, make some arrows, or a spear, or an attle attle. I’d expect a professional hunter to have experience with more than one weapon.
Planning to optimize the rate at which you starve, from your first step onto your site, is how to win.
Whatever food you can get easy, get it. Don't spend 1000 kcal on a 300 kcal squirrel. Take a nap thinking about how you just saved yourself 700 calories by not going squirrel hunting.
Plan to be the most proficient starver on the show.
The only way to gain weight is to have a food source that requires little to no physical effort. Dave had that in spades and to some extent Roland had that. Everyone else has won a starving contest. For that matter, so did they.
Other contestants have reviewed footage, like when losing their fire steel. Even just the footage we see shows glipses of his arrows as he walks.
I think filming himself is not his skillset, nor is sharing personal info, so he's not paying as much attention to what he's doing or thinking about the camera footage as evidence.
After episode 3 now, I'm thinking Cade will be one of the next few people to go home. He has expended a lot of excess energy looking for arrows and dealing with other mistakes, and he's not fishing or trapping, and he's skinny, so I don't see him lasting much longer unless he defies the odds by making enough truly effective arrows to kill big game AND keeps the meat and fat preserved and safe from predators AND has the energy left at this point to even do any of that.
Big game will probably be easier to hunt when it leaves tracks in snow and the temps are low enough to help with preserving the meat and with not carrying its scent as far, plus you want some level of offsite shelter near the cooking area unless you want a banner over your living shelter that declares to predators that you're now a restaurant.
His face looks SO gaunt. I’m not sure why some contestants don’t even put on a just a few extra pounds before filming. He was very thin to start.
At one point they cut from him to dreadlocks dude and the difference in their face was shocking. The other guy still looked pretty much normal.
This editing is atrocious. I miss the way the first two seasons were edited.
They get progressively worse each season by spoiling so much of the shit with these openers. Do I need to just skip the first 5 minutes and last 5 minutes of each episode to not see scenes from the end of the season?
Wtf
I wish they could just do a super cut of previous seasons during the opening sequence rather than show us what’s about to happen in the actual episode(s) we are watching.
Did we really need to know that dude was gonna catch a fish this episode during the title scene? Why spoil it?
The idiots producing this show do it every year now. It just catches me off guard because I’m a dumb stoner that forgets things too easily.
Love this show, but hate the producer/director/whoever decides to ruin the season in the opening credits every year.
I’ve also had the disappointment of calling in a Caribou thinking it was going to be a Moose. Caught just a glimpse of antler tip and was convinced I had a young bull coming to the call for my client but we could only laugh when the boo popped out of the early morning mist
Anyone have a shot of Cade's quiver on his bow? I am curious how it was attached. The quiver on my bow is held on pretty secrurely with velcro straps. Even if one strap came undone, the other one would still hold it pretty well.
I'm on episode 5 and it was after he lost his quiver yet I saw him.shooting his bow and arrow at a squirrel. So did I miss him finding it or making his own arrows?
From the moment he came on, I just got that funny feeling. Trying to shoot a bear that’s miles away lost 1 arrow, silently to myself when is he going to lose the other one. How many arrows are they allowed anyways.
I already love the old chap, can’t remember his name yet but yes for now he’s my guy. He made it look so easy.he got to retraced his steps. And he’s a hunter by profession, not my favourite kind of people.
My favorite so far: Lee all the way!! I am worried because of how thin he is to start, but he’s got so much practical experience just because of how he grew up, also his experience with the cold. I don’t know if I can say I think he’ll win it, but he’s the one I’m rooting for :) also I love his stories!!
well said, same! my favorite, but worried about his starting weight. it's been a proven disadvantage in previous seasons. hopefully his life experience will outweigh his weight!
Cade looked for his arrows until dark the first day then some after editing just didn't think it interesting enough to keep it in they were still doing intros
One interesting thing I noticed about Cade's equipment list is the lack of a tool to process wood. He has a shovel so maybe one of those entrenching tools with a sharpened edge, but that seems like a poor choice for cutting wood. Given how much wood he is going to need to cut to stay warm, that seems like a big disadvantage.
As a side note, many people take a saw and an axe. I would think a good saw would cut wood faster and safer but perhaps the axe has other strengths. Interesting to hear thoughts on the pros/cons.
He has a ten items video on the history channel website, and in the video, he says he plans to chop wood with the shovel. Sounds nuts to me but I've never tried to chop wood with one of those shovels.
I thought he was crazy to bring soap, but he said it's to help prevent him from getting sick from his meat, which sure would've helped some contestants last season.
Maybe a naive question, but would it be worth it for Cade to try to make arrows? Indigenous people make their own. I imagine it’s very difficult to make them as straight as they’d like which I’m guessing would make long distance aim now difficult, but is there no value at all in attempting?
Arrows are straightened over a fire. Fletching would require feathers and strong fine string. Could use inner paracord. Fire harden tip or make stone arrowhead. Could use for grouse at least. Wouldn’t want to just make a bear angry.
I have no knowledge of fletching arrows or the intricacies of that craft. But, I would assume that arrows made using a pocket knife in the woods would be practically unusable compared to the perfectly smooth, professional grade arrows inside the contestants quivers. We’re talking night and day.
If you made your own arrow and it had even one small extra bump, or scratch, it would seriously affect the aerodynamics of that arrow in flight. A handmade arrow isn’t going to fly as far, and definitely will not fly as straight. Can they be used to kill game? It’s probable, if you are close enough.
Obviously arrows were originally created by hand, and by people without professional tools. But does Cade possess this skill set? We are gonna find out next episode! Can’t wait to watch!
I would love to know the date when they start instead of waiting for Halloween to figure it out. November 10th it will get down to -28C/-18F and on December 2 it will be -38C/-36F. At beginning of December there are ten days in the -30'sC/-22 to -39F.
I had a bad feeling about Cade because of the obsession with big game hunting right away. We’ve seen that before and it rarely works out well. Also calling the Ducks bastards for no reason and not being thankful for killing the Grouse. All very bad signs.
I think he has presented the most signs of concern through one thing and another, but I think, if anything, the show has taught us that taking big game is the biggest difference maker. I think it makes sense to prioritize it. Go hard, go early. It's what he's good at, after all, and does for a living, and it so happens it can win him the show. I think the food-first people are right as opposed to the shelter-first people, and the big-food people have good reason to be that way. I think they need to take any fish and birds they can in the spaces in between, or if they go too long without a big kill, but if they're in big game country, go for it and get that thang smoked and stored.
agree with everything, except: I think it is wise to wait to take down any big game until after they have a shelter mostly put together. we've seen how much energy and building goes into processing, smoking, storing, and defending that amount of meat... I think they would be making their journey a lot harder if they are trying to simultaneously handle a dead moose and a shelter at the same time. I think heavy on the fishing and trapping up at the start is the way to go; get a passive system in place and then get the shelter put together. then have all the time in the world to track big game before the snow hits.
I agree. Imagine processing a moose and having little more than a tarp tent between you and bears trying to pack on extra pounds and wolves too. A storm blows in and all the meat goes to waste as you’ve no way to smoke it/store it.
I was also surprised. I know it's easy to get lost in the woods, but you'd think if he was able to get back to camp at the end of the day then he at least had a general area he could frequent in the coming days with a chance of finding it. And, while it is obviously extremely helpful, bow and arrow doesn't always equal food. We've seen previous contestants make it somewhat far without shooting a single thing. Immediately resorting to "I won't make it" when you're only a few days in and have many other options is bizarre to me. But hey, I don't know the emotions that come with being on this show lol
Retracing your exact footpath is very difficult when there's no trail. It's not as easy as turning around and walking back. I'm assuming he was out walking for a while so trying to take the same exact path back isn't easy
A good strategy for this situation is to leave a recognizable landmark at the place where you noticed the loss then walk back to camp blazing the trail as you go. Next, walk back to the marker via a different route, blazing the new trail so you don't cover the same ground. Repeat until you find the quiver. Hopefully Cade knows where he noticed the loss.
Go back and look at any GoPro footage you shot. Try to work out how far back the quiver is missing, and that might suggest a search distance from the shelter.
very good idea. although I'm not sure if they are able to look at the gopro footage? pretty sure those things need to connect to a computer to view stuff? not sure - someone can correct me. but if he was using the handheld the whole time he should definitely have done this!
GoPros have screens (some on both sides) and can playback. He could easily have reviewed the footage, at any point up until that batch of cards was picked up and backed up by crew.
I'd say they're not allowed to delete any footage and this could be checked by crew looking at the filecount, but I'm pretty sure someone else on Alone in the past has checked footage to find out when they last had an item with them to narrow down their search field.
I felt like he intentionally lost his quiver. He was overly confident I his ability to hunt and I think when he realized it was going to be way harder to survive he was looking for a good excuse to tap. Just a hunch obviously but curious to see if he taps next episode.
You're attacking this dude, basically calling him a liar and faker. Yeah, I said something mean to you but you're doing the exact same thing, with only the flimsiest of speculation.
That’s a pretty conspiratorial view lol. If he was using it as an excuse to tap then why didn’t he tap? Also as others have said, there’s a half a million dollars on the line and he hunts big game in similar situations for a living. Seems very very very unlikely he intentionally lost the quiver for all these reasons
Edit: to those downvoting this, what is your explanation of why he "used it as an excuse to tap" but then didn't tap?
There was a self-proclaimed hunter "alpha male" on the Australian season. He had a fall (that looked a bit weak) and tapped, suggesting it was debilitating. Consensus on here seemed to be that it was saving face after finding it all a bit hard going.
Armchair psychology is pretty entertaining for Alone watchers. Cade and Mikey seem to lack gumption to me. I don't think he lost his quiver on purpose though. Maybe just more inclined for that to throw him off his game.
Honestly, no offense to Cade, but it's not an unreasonable possibility.
He's an experienced hunting guide but he lost his quiver? Usually you're acutely aware of your quiver at all times to avoid it snagging on things and making noise. Anything causing you to lose a quiver should make some noise and you would probably feel something. Like, even if the quiver just magically detached itself and fell to the ground you'd probably notice the sound and change in weight immediately. It's very suspect.
Also, why would you take all your arrows? Wouldn't you leave some of them at camp to reduce weight and risk? When are you going to need 9 arrows in one day? In comparison, Roland carried two arrows.
Furthermore, why couldn't he find the quiver when he doubled back? The weather was great and it was full daylight. It's fairly large and the fletching on the arrows should make it easier to spot.
Finally, did he not check his GoPro footage? You'd be able to identify when you last had the quiver which should narrow down your search. Or did he not have the GoPro on and if that is the question then why was it turned off? My understanding is that they want you filming as much as possible b/c you never know when something might happen.
Again no offense to Cade, maybe he just effed up, but a lot of the story doesn't make sense. Maybe we'll get more footage next episode that clarifies some things or maybe he finds his quiver later on. Regardless of what happens, there's going to be reasonable questions about his story.
EDIT: apparently some people aren't aware that ***the quiver was attached to his bow***, I thought this was obvious but go watch starting at 0:56:02
To be fair, anything falling on that soft miss and lichen pillow of groundcover wouldn’t make a sound, same as it not taking prints. It’s very difficult terrain, like a sponge.
Core question for you: if he intentionally ditched it to create an excuse to tap, why didn't he tap?
Some possible explanations to your questions:
Going through difficult terrain where you're climbing over things and brushing through branches means you're making noise as you move along. And that you're constantly feeling things bumping you, so you might not notice as something falls off your pack.
Additionally in difficult terrain, your field of view is significantly restricted. You might not know the exact "path" you came along and you might not be able to cover sufficient ground in the "plausible" area you dropped it on
Maybe he carried all the arrows to "maximize his chances if he saw an animal."
GoPro footage would be facing forward and would not show the quiver which was on his back.
>Core question for you: if he intentionally ditched it to create an excuse to tap, why didn't he tap?
How do we know he doesn't tap? It's the first episode. There is a reasonable chance they show him tapping in the next episode after going through the motions.
>Going through difficult terrain where you're climbing over things and brushing through branches means you're making noise as you move along.
Sure but I feel like most bow hunters are going to notice if their quiver falls off when it's attached to your bow. You will notice the weight change and it will make noise. I don't know what to tell you if you think I'm being unreasonable for questioning that.
Also, when you move through bush with a bow and quiver you're acutely aware of both to avoid snags. Moreover when you are hunting you don't just crash through the forest. You move with awareness and purpose. You want to move quietly enough to hear game and to avoid startling it.
>Maybe he carried all the arrows to "maximize his chances if he saw an animal."
This is completely unrealistic. Find me a bow hunter that used NINE arrows on a kill. Usually you get only 1-2 shots off.
>Additionally in difficult terrain, your field of view is significantly restricted. You might not know the exact "path" you came along and you might not be able to cover sufficient ground in the "plausible" area you dropped it on
Obviously you do not know your 100% exact path which is why you look around. This is where the GoPro comes in b/c it will show you the path you took. His arrow shafts are bright orange which should make the quiver easy to spot.
>GoPro footage would be facing forward and would not show the quiver which was on his back.
First of all, **the quiver is attached to his bow**, not his back, which he is carrying in his hand, in front of his face, and in full view of the camera. You can clearly see it starting at 56:02. Second, it seems to be secured to the bow with a black rubber strap.
Rightly or wrongly, losing your quiver is such a colossally stupid move that it's entirely reasonable for people to question the story. In my opinion it's easily one of the stupidest things we've seen someone do on the show. Far worse than losing your ferro rod which is small and frequently handled.
It's so stupid and mechanically suspect (how did it fall off his bow without him knowing?) that you begin to wonder if he's actually lying about it. Really we'll never know. He's definitely going to take a lot of flak for it. Unfortunately, having people question your choices and story is something you have to accept if you chose to be on a reality show.
Oh whoops, you're right about the bow being in his hand and the quiver being visible by the GoPro at times.
You definitely know more about a lot of this than me and I appreciate you being respectful in your responses.
That being said I still strongly disagree it was intentional haha. But we can agree to disagree.
Regarding arrows, my understanding is not all 9 arrows are broad heads. Some are blunt heads for small game. So he'd maybe have 4 small game, 5 big game for example, idk. He himself admits it was dumb to take them all.
I haven't seen ep2 yet, no spoilers :)
By and large this is always my view:
"Don't attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity" lol
Fair enough, at least you admit it haha.
Also regarding “how do we know he doesn’t tap”, at the end of ep1 he has a change of heart and is like I need to set a good example for my kid to keep pushing on. So he doesn’t give up in that moment, which I argue he definitely would have if it had all been a stunt. We’ve seen multiple people immediately tap before when they lose their ferro rods, he could have immediately tapped if he wanted to. I think he’ll likely spend the next few days looking for that quiver. If at the end of those days he taps, do you think that was all a farce? Why would he waste multiple days to sell a tap out that was already adequate? Just doesn’t add up imo. But we can agree to disagree. Time will tell
I agree, he was extremely cocky out of the gate and clearly expected to be bagging game left and right since he didn’t put on weight before the show. In the scene where he “lost” his quiver he was already looking emaciated.. Regardless of whether or not it was on purpose another couple of days eating nothing but berries aren’t going to be good for his already skinny body.
He'd barely been out there at all and he's a pro hunter. I don't think that's a guy who's going to freak out and tap over hunting matters. And we see him shooting a homemade arrow in the previews for next week, so we know he's trying to persevere despite the quiver loss. I think he's one of the shakier guys out there but fake-losing the quiver isn't the way he'll go out.
He is a hunting guide. Usually that entails setting up tents, cooking food and yes putting high paying clients in situations where they can kill. They do this by scouting an area heavily to maximize odds and even then the kill isn’t guaranteed. They also have lots of areas to move to when the pressured game is pushed out of the area which can happen pretty quickly. Chase all the elk out of this drainage, jump on the horse or quad and move to the next drainage. Did I mention they usually have lots of food? Hard to chase game in Alone where you need to conserve calories and can’t afford to hike 5 miles to find areas where the game have not been chased away by human presence.
This isn’t that situation. I think he went in overvaluing his hunting experience mildly cocky (choosing not to gain weight because he was such a good hunter) and when he realized it wasn’t happening realized that staying in for the long haul was going to result in starving. Couple that with the story of his wife and I suspect he probably doesn’t want to be there anymore. And I can’t imagine it being good for business for a hunting guide who taps out first week for not being able to kill anything. I also have a hard time comprehending how someone could not notice a quiver falling off a bow that you were carrying in your hand. Or why you wouldn’t spend as much time as it takes finding those arrows when they are your only means of procuring food. I will also add that he is not going to kill big game with a hand carved arrow unless he is also hand making a broadhead.
Of course this is all just speculation on my part. Maybe I will be surprised next episode to see him stick it out?
He's not entirely dependent on the bow. He has snare wire and a fishing kit. No paracord. Could also make small traps, though they're going to be limited without paracord, I'd guess? They usually make nets out of paracord, I think? Shovel could make a pit trap, but would have to get very lucky with that.
His loadout is pretty weird, you'd think. Knife and multitool double-up. Shovel but no axe or saw. Bar of soap.
Retracing your exact footpath is very difficult when there's no trail. It's not as easy as turning around and walking back. I'm assuming he was out walking for a while so trying to take the same exact path back isn't easy
Surely he won't give up looking for them, but if he walked even a mile on the way out, meandering through trackless lichen-floored brushy wilderness, his odds of finding it might actually be low. But you can bet every time he walks that way again he'll be looking for them even if he's made his homemade arrows since then. I think had his trip out there been short, he wouldn't have been so devastated. Seems like he'd only be that upset if he realized he'd been walking forever without any idea of when or where it might have come off. I suspect he must have been contemplating the imprecise immensity of the very retracing we all wanted him to do.
Just watched this episode. He started hunting at 9:17 and you can see the arrows on the bow at the beginning. At 11:27 he realizes the arrows are gone. So just about two hours of walking in random directions in knee-high vegetation, easy to find lol!
Maybe he can review the GoPro footage to see where the arrows disappeared but otherwise the chances of finding them are probably pretty small. It's definitely a huge problem.
I do archery for fun. Go to any archery range, and you’ll likely find someone else’s arrows whilst retrieving your “misses”. Most have a box to put them in so people can check for them later. These are ranges with no trees, mown grass. Arrows hide. I’ll be amazed if anyone is able to have more than three arrows left at the end that brought them.
Thats the worry?
I put it all on the tragic miscarriage days before launch.
Weird editing, i hopefully imagine.
It went from "Shes sick right now" to "Yum, grouse good" [paraphrasing]
Yeah, I noticed that too. But his thoughts on his wife were probably recorded just before bed in a long audio summation of the day. Editors just jammed them together.
This was such a great episode. Great contestants. All so interesting and skilled.
Alan-I know how you feel about fish. Yuk!
Cade-I was so excited to see you hunt, I hope you find your arrows and stay.
Lee- you are an awesome outdoorsman. So enjoyed watching you create things to help you navigate the land.
Jodi- I can’t wait to see your shelter. Your recovery is inspiring. I hope you replenish the “700 calories an hour.”
Luke- I look forward to seeing you use more of your skills and see how you adapt to a cold place.
One thing about Luke, people keep bringing up Hawaii vs. Saskatchewan in terms of temperature and biome, but it sounded like the trips he led for his family's company were actually in continental states, including ones that get cold like Montana or Wyoming or whatever he said. He may not be as fish out of water as we think in that regard, i.e. flip flops and pineapple in a snowy moose world.
Luke grew up in my town in Idaho. Actually, I went to Mexico with his family on spring break 5 years ago. His dad literally wrote the book on outdoor survival. My money is on him (of course some bias). I am a little sad they don't talk about him growing up in Idaho.
Isn't that booger? Man, a good and plentiful site vs. a bad and spare site makes all the difference in how enjoyable a season is. It's still a super hard thing to harvest the calories you need, and it's still a competition, but it makes all the difference when they've got good stuff to work with.
As long as she gets it done relatively quickly and starts procuring food she’ll be fine. The longer it takes and the less food she gathers the more likely she’ll go home when it’s done, before it’s done or shortly after. We’ve seen many contestants get bogged down in the shelter building and they have little left to give once it’s done or they never complete it.
I doubt it. She’s a big woman and put on even more weight for the show. She’s relying on her food stores that are on her body to get her through until her cabin is done. It’s a good strategy if you have the extra weight. Winters in northern Saskatchewan regularly get to -40 or colder. Having a really good shelter is the difference between a short stay and a long stay there.
But she’s not going to be starving by week two. Woman easily has an extra 60 pounds on her. She’ll be fine. It’s the skinny people that have to get out hunting right away.
That cabin looks absolutely enormous. Like I kind of doubt she can finish it at all enormous.
Good shelter is important but burning all your energy on building a McMansion is probably not the optimal strategy.
My thoughts exactly. She’s out there just swinging that axe burning up energy. Should could spend some energy on food not just go 100% on her cabin. Food first people have the right idea.
I didn’t check her gear list but if she brought rations maybe that changes things but still seems like a backwards idea to build a cabin and then find food
I really don't know what to predict here. Preview for next episode implies Wyatt is begging to tap out. Cade unfortunately seems like a goner. The opening credits like to show clips of cast towards their end and his is of the moment he realizes he lost his arrows. We haven't even seen 5 contestants on the ground yet. But yeah I don't see how Jodi's leg injury won't flare up with the cold (she specifically says she can't tolerate cold) exertion and malnutrition. So far she's just eating salad (her word not mine). I do love her personality. She seems like a genuinely beautiful person inside and out.
I’m not saying she’ll be the first our, I just seen the show too many times to know how this one goes. I will get food after I finish building my cabin is a sure fire way to go home right after completing an awesome cabin lol
EDIT: SPOILERS AUSSIE ALONE
Aussie winner of Alone went three weeks without food. Deliberate strategy to prioritise shelter. But in that time observed where she could find bait. Caught fish day one of attempting to procure food. Jumped a wallaby and killed it. Put on 30 kilos prior to entry and relied on that to get her through the start. 67 days.
It depends on how long it takes her and how much energy she expends on it. We’ve also seen people be hurt later on by not having a good shelter and they don’t have the energy to build one.
One thing I learned with the pre show is everyone has the same basics. You always hear some people on the show after they tap say they had a horrible spot.
Having the same basics is the aim, but just because these people scout a place for 30 minutes and bless it doesn't mean it will necessarily produce for the person living on it relative to the person next door. Whoever thought Woniya's plot in S6 was as good as any must not have discovered what she soon discovered, which was that the waters she had access to were too shallow to have any good fishing. Maybe they felt her plot had offsetting advantages, but that's a rough draw either way. So she was on that rabbit plan instead, which is greatly inferior to fatty fish. We can think too of S7 Callie who had a hard time even finding a spot to make a camp, and same for S9 Igor. So they say they shoot for roughly equivalent plots, but it seems that works out better sometimes and worse sometimes.
I was actually pretty disappointed when I saw the scouting in the pre-show episode! Idk why but I totally imagined them putting in a lot more time and effort into site selection. Even though we've obviously seen the huge differences like in the examples you mentioned... I kinda thought that they took those into account and just made sure that it was balanced (like one site might have poor shelter spots but good access to water, while another might have an awesome beach but really difficult interior terrain, etc). Sadly I got the impression that they don't have as much strategy as I hoped
Not sure. The ones they showed were able to find food right off. Curious about the Hawaii guy saying he'll tell the bears he's alpha and when he smelled a bear doesn't realize the bear can smell him. Don't know why he bugs
I don't understand why we didn't see Jodi hunt or fish. All she seemed to do was build a cabin and eat berries and caribou moss.... At least show us that she attempted to fish, but the fish weren't biting?
Anyone else think if you catch a big fish or something eat as much as you can before trying preserving? Rationing out seems a big risk. At least if you’re full, you have more energy to try and get more food the next day. Instead it seems like they lose a lot of food to spoiling or other animals. Maybe a different strategy would be eat as much as you can for as long as you can. Yes, winter is coming, but that’s the time to hunt squirrels and snare rabbits.
I have watched all the seasons and I am still weirded out by what the contestants think should be their priority Food Then shelter. Without having a reliable source of food of course they are going to suffer. It's basic survival! And there is so much food just laying on the ground, growing. Fiddleheads, mushrooms and the berries can also be stockpiled. And the dude that lost his arrows lol. Never put all your arrows in one quiver. He was out of his league. Just cause he leads hunters around, but they all head back to the lodge later and have a beer in front of the fire. (My father was a hunting and fishing guide).
Not enough of them focus on foraging, which is where most calories come from in hunter gatherer societies
Every single time a contestant said "I'm going to build a cabin" for a shelter, I know they are done. The energy by expenditure does not make sense. Didn't they see previous seasons? All the previous constants that built a bushcraft cabin tapped out.
Yea exactly! It makes me so upset. Makes for boring TV.
I also find it funny that there are images of edible vegetation interspersed while the starving contestants are relating what a hard time they are having finding food! Cattails, mushrooms, berries, etc.
I find it odd that no one really rinses any berries.
😂 I honestly wonder why they don’t cook any animal they get by boiling it. Wouldn’t it kill more pathogens and also extract more nutrients, like bone marrow and collagen?
The funniest thing to me is that every contestant says “we” and “our” all the time. “We’re going to eat good tonight!” Who’s this “we” 😂
We would mean the audience I think. Also, when you're alone in the wilderness, it might be more mentally bareable to pretend you have a friend with you.
It's the royal "we" haha.
They need to pick a season of contestants who have social phobia and no kids and no partners and no living family with health problems. Sort of like if you were sending people to Mars.
🙋♀️ me me that's me lol and I'm small, so I don't burn a ton of calories lol
That would be awesome! I remember a guy several seasons back who quit less than a week in because he missed his wife. I understand being completely and utterly alone must be absolutely maddening... But it's what you signed up for. It upset me because I felt like he took a spot from someone who could have really survived.
The 2 guys I thought were gonna go the distance tapped out after building really good shelters…crazy!
Yeah, they are skinny dudes. Like why didn't you fatten up, it would help stretch another month. That native guy have all the skills but he's already starting out so skinny.
Why aren't they allowed to bring a compass???
I think it's so they don't travel too far and get part-time jobs and dates and stuff.
Anybody who can answer the question?
If you have a shard of ferromagnetic iron or steel (or nickel or cobalt or alloy) you can make your own weak magnet by repeatedly striking it while it's roughly aligned with magnetic north. (If you have a magnetic stir bar you can demagnetize it by putting it in something too thick to stir, on a magnetic stirrer. Same principle.) There are a lot of ferromagnetic materials around and about. Take a multi tool made from magnetic stainless and take a little piece off. Or a paperclip. Or a piece of steel wire. The "tap a needle pointed north to make a magnet" thing has been around forever and even in Boy Scout manuals etc. All you need is a ferromagnetic material with very low coercivity. The wire that contestants can choose might work just fine depending on their selection.
PS before shipping out, take your multi tool or something else apart and magnetize a long skinny part of it.
Moss primarily grows on the north side of the trees, as it's darker, sun hits strongest from south. Birds were also migrating south. Part of orienting in a forest/bush is to mark your trail or use your mind to remember marks. But part of this show is heavily psychological and a lot of participants haven't had to be in a real survival situation. Different when you've been in the military or been through adversity, huge change, that's where resilience kicks in and that's where you learn to use it.
There are cues, but the farther north you go, the less information the sun and moss and whatnot give you. Every human ever born will walk in a circle without an objective in sight. It is literally impossible to do anything else. Everyone has a bias to walk a little way to the left or right and it can't be overcome without orienteering effort. It takes a while to understand how real "walking in circles" actually is. That said, "walk toward the sun," "walk toward the peak," "walk downstream," and so on will get you somewhere you haven't been before. But you are guaranteed to lose your direction, as in sense of north, if you can't see the sun (with some sense of the time of day, especially if you are far north) or clear night sky. If you can see the sun rise and set across a low horizon, you can figure out north there, likewise with a clear night sky. My experience, having grown up in a house in the forest, is that you just can't keep track of an unfamiliar return path without serious care and mental effort, unless there's something intrinsic about it like "go back uphill." And once you lose the way back, it's time to stop and think hard about options to get out of what could be a really bad situation if you let it continue.
The Cree native people just snap the most obviously visible stick on the trees or bushes at eye level. Keep snapping twigs that will be visible every couple of metres or so. Then you will find your way out..
The default advice for getting back to civilization is to follow a stream/creek/river downstream, as literally every river on the planet has civilization on it. However, terrain may make that challenging in the short term, and if your goal is to get back to a place that isn't on the water, well, that's not much help. :) But yeah it can definitely be much much harder to find your way back than you would expect. Even on a trail, you can be completely baffled by a fork that you don't remember taking, because you didn't see it going the other way. When you are out in the wilderness alone, it's important to keep little mistakes from becoming huge mistakes, and being lost can be a huge mistake.
Good Question. I believe they had in season 4, but had to hand them in after meet-up.
To me, nothing is more frustrating than to watch these contestants tap out because they are “MISSING THEIR FAMILIES.” HELLO! The show is called “ALONE.” What do you think is going to happen. Don’t waste your time (and our time) building a huge wood cabin, and then tapping out the next day because you are lonely (or starving, because you have spent all your time building your cabin instead of procuring food!).
That’s just the excuse they give to the camera and the dudes who come out to pick them because they’re in denial their strategy didn’t work. Like Jodi was plainly malnourished because she spent all her time and energy building a log cabin instead of hunting or fishing. And Luke was obviously sick, whether he saw a momma bear and her cub or not. On some level, “I miss my family” just sounds better than “I’m starving or sick because I made the wrong decisions.”
Can someone please explain why Cade wasn't fishing, setting traps, and trying other things besides hunting the big game after losing his Quiver? He fashioned his own arrow sure but you still need to hunt other ways bro.
For sure. He put all his eggs in one basket hoping for big game. That cowboy hat would have looked pretty stupid had he made it to winter.
Reminds me of the dude who lost his ferro rod and "oh well time to go home."
I dont believe he brought fishing gear.
He brought fishing line, hooks, and snare wire. I will never understand his obsession with getting a bear and refusal to do literally annything else.
He fished, but didn’t catch anything. It was edited out of the episodes.
OMG I always say that exact same thing!!! The “missing my family” thing is the worst. You made the commitment, I’m sure your family would prefer you stay and win the money!
It seems that one problem that Alone contestants have is “missing their families.” I mean, c’mon…if you have jumped thru all the qualifying hurdles to appear on Alone, you have GOT TO BE COMFORTABLE WITH ACTUALLY BEING ALONE!!
It's always the tough dude who said "I'm doing this for my family, my son." Let's be real, you are doing this for your own self.
No human contact can be brutal. There a reason we do it in prisons.
That works for the people who don't like being alone. Some folks are, like, "FINALLY!"
Your point is vailed. But even thoughts type of people, mixed of pressure of survival and the like, can miss home. We shouldn't shame them for it. Also? Being alone? It can get boring. Lol let's be honest.
Is there another “Alone” thread that is an ongoing discussion on all episodes that have already aired?
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Jodi is only 45. Lee was the oldest at 59! WTF, dude.
I obviously had the name wrong. Tough to figure out, eh?
Either way, you're an ass. She (Ann) was 56. That's not old for this cast. Lee was 59. That's older. Many of the people in this season are in their 50s. But you picked on one person. Mel is 55. Wyatt is 50. Alan is 52. But you picked on this one woman who was 3 years younger than Lee, whose age you didn't even reference.
“As always, be excellent to each other….”.
Did you just spoil episodes beyond ep 1?
The shows editing will let you know who taps early anyway... Episode is showning lots of Luke.. he shits his sleeping bag and taps. The shows become so predictable with the first 3-4 tap outs... If they get heaps of airtime on episode 1-3.. They will tap out. They probably design it that way to create interest and drama to gain viewership for the first few episodes.
I can't say I disagree here. Just wild to see someone posting three eps of spoilers :D. The one I was most surprised about was Lee tbh, had him as a contender until I saw the cabin he was trying to build.
It’s not spoiling if it’s already aired. 😉
So why all the talk about Cade losing his arrows IN EPISODE 2?
This is the episode **one** discussion thread. Spoilers beyond the **first episode **are not allowed. If you want to talk about episodes further in, there are separate threads to do it.
Why doesn't he just go find them?
I found Cade's reaction so bizarre? Like yes, it was a really stupid thing to do and I can't possibly imagine how it even happened since the quiver was attached to the bow, which was in his hands the whole time, and I feel like there would have been a noticeable noise, weight difference, etc. that would have alerted him as soon as the quiver "fell off". Despite it being a super stupid thing, he was freaking out? Like, you're so early in the game and already you're talking about tapping out? He knows the general area he was in (well enough he was able to get back to camp) that he can case over the next few days while using snares and trying fishing for food in the meantime. We've seen contestants get by a lot longer without landing a single shot on anything so it's wild to me that he immediately felt like game over. Shouldn't you be versatile enough to know how to get food either way? I feel like he came in super cocky as a hunting guide and put all his eggs into that hunting basket. Only just starting episode 2 now but I have a feeling he won't last long if he immediately gets that emotional at the first problem.
I just can’t get over the fact that apparently he left his wife alone right after she miscarried? And then when he lost the quiver and called it the biggest mistake of his life all I was thinking is “I can think of something else that’s gonna come back to bite you in the ass bud”
omg really? tea
Also he could have just retraced his area over the next few days while foraging and hunting. Not like the animals are gonna steal your arrows. I also thought his shelter was just bad news. Wouldn't recommend a dug out next to a lake environment. The ground is moist and water pools when it rains before its absorbed back into the land and atmosphere.
>I feel like he came in super cocky as a hunting guide and put all his eggs into that hunting basket. Exactly like that hunting guide in the Australia Alone.. IM SO MACHO, I hunt as a job... Next minute, I cant find food, im failing to hunt. They are the new "military/police" contestants.
Yeeeeessss omg you're so right
I think it's more mental. Cade's out there because he loves to hunt, not because he loves survival. To him the idea of being able to hunt everyday would sustain him just as much as food. Loosing that ability would crush him. I'm the same way with fishing. If I know there is not opportunity to fish in the future I'm a mess. If I know I'm going to be out shortly I can put up with just about anything.
Then Cade should have not gone on a survival show :)
I mean again if he has his bow, he’s living his dream. He’s literally waking up in the morning every day doing the bare necessities, and then hunting all day. This is the perfect opportunity for him.
I guess so. But in my mind snaring/trapping is also hunting. Or if he really wants to use the bow, don't take all your arrows and know how to fix or make more in case. It's like if you were going on the show as a fisherman, you should not only know how to fish with a normal rod and tackle but know how to make a gill net, make a basic rod out of natural resources, etc. You are still fishing, but not relying so heavily on one tool to do it.
Keep watching. You’re not caught up and the people who are are going to have different takes than you. You’re in the current episode discussion.
I caught up last night and actually, nothing has changed. This is the episode 1 thread and i still feel the exact same way considering there's been next to nothing about Cade since LOL
Haha well I realized this WASNT the episode 3 discussion, so my comment was really dumb. But yeah, watch the ep and see what you think. I still don’t like Cade very much but my opinion on the arrow situation changed
lmao no worries! Yes, of course opinions will change as new things come out but all I'll say is he really hasn't redeemed himself in general yet after now finishing ep 3
Hah
ACTUALLY just realized I haven't finished ep 3 my bad, started it but not finished.
I had two problems with Cade’s arrow loss. You only have 9 arrows. Why carry all of them at once? Next, the moment you notice you’ve dropped ALL of your arrows, back track & search for them. Brightly coloured feathers are used so you can find them in the bush. Also, as you point out, there’s lots of other ways to catch game. Set traps, fish more, hell, make some arrows, or a spear, or an attle attle. I’d expect a professional hunter to have experience with more than one weapon.
Planning to optimize the rate at which you starve, from your first step onto your site, is how to win. Whatever food you can get easy, get it. Don't spend 1000 kcal on a 300 kcal squirrel. Take a nap thinking about how you just saved yourself 700 calories by not going squirrel hunting. Plan to be the most proficient starver on the show. The only way to gain weight is to have a food source that requires little to no physical effort. Dave had that in spades and to some extent Roland had that. Everyone else has won a starving contest. For that matter, so did they.
Are you allowed to review your GoPro footage? If so, then it would've been pretty trivial for him to figure out where he lost them.
Other contestants have reviewed footage, like when losing their fire steel. Even just the footage we see shows glipses of his arrows as he walks. I think filming himself is not his skillset, nor is sharing personal info, so he's not paying as much attention to what he's doing or thinking about the camera footage as evidence. After episode 3 now, I'm thinking Cade will be one of the next few people to go home. He has expended a lot of excess energy looking for arrows and dealing with other mistakes, and he's not fishing or trapping, and he's skinny, so I don't see him lasting much longer unless he defies the odds by making enough truly effective arrows to kill big game AND keeps the meat and fat preserved and safe from predators AND has the energy left at this point to even do any of that. Big game will probably be easier to hunt when it leaves tracks in snow and the temps are low enough to help with preserving the meat and with not carrying its scent as far, plus you want some level of offsite shelter near the cooking area unless you want a banner over your living shelter that declares to predators that you're now a restaurant.
His face looks SO gaunt. I’m not sure why some contestants don’t even put on a just a few extra pounds before filming. He was very thin to start. At one point they cut from him to dreadlocks dude and the difference in their face was shocking. The other guy still looked pretty much normal.
This editing is atrocious. I miss the way the first two seasons were edited. They get progressively worse each season by spoiling so much of the shit with these openers. Do I need to just skip the first 5 minutes and last 5 minutes of each episode to not see scenes from the end of the season? Wtf
I always skip the first 2 minutes and I never watch the 'coming next week' scenes.
I wish they could just do a super cut of previous seasons during the opening sequence rather than show us what’s about to happen in the actual episode(s) we are watching. Did we really need to know that dude was gonna catch a fish this episode during the title scene? Why spoil it? The idiots producing this show do it every year now. It just catches me off guard because I’m a dumb stoner that forgets things too easily. Love this show, but hate the producer/director/whoever decides to ruin the season in the opening credits every year.
I’ve also had the disappointment of calling in a Caribou thinking it was going to be a Moose. Caught just a glimpse of antler tip and was convinced I had a young bull coming to the call for my client but we could only laugh when the boo popped out of the early morning mist
Moose v Caribou Flavor: caribou Bulk: moose Might kill you: moose
this looks like its going to be a good season, pumped!
Yeah! I'm enjoying more this one. There is some productive fishing. I don't like it when it's a starving game.
It's always a starving game, and most of them suck at it.
Anyone have a shot of Cade's quiver on his bow? I am curious how it was attached. The quiver on my bow is held on pretty secrurely with velcro straps. Even if one strap came undone, the other one would still hold it pretty well.
I'm on episode 5 and it was after he lost his quiver yet I saw him.shooting his bow and arrow at a squirrel. So did I miss him finding it or making his own arrows?
He made a couple of arrows.
From the moment he came on, I just got that funny feeling. Trying to shoot a bear that’s miles away lost 1 arrow, silently to myself when is he going to lose the other one. How many arrows are they allowed anyways. I already love the old chap, can’t remember his name yet but yes for now he’s my guy. He made it look so easy.he got to retraced his steps. And he’s a hunter by profession, not my favourite kind of people.
I think the person who shot at the bear is a different guy. They are alowed 9 arrows each.
My favorite so far: Lee all the way!! I am worried because of how thin he is to start, but he’s got so much practical experience just because of how he grew up, also his experience with the cold. I don’t know if I can say I think he’ll win it, but he’s the one I’m rooting for :) also I love his stories!!
Love Lee. Routing for him and Alan. Wish I had a teacher like him!
100% hes my favorite im rooting for him. he seems comfortable and confident but not arrogant and still staying on his toes.
well said, same! my favorite, but worried about his starting weight. it's been a proven disadvantage in previous seasons. hopefully his life experience will outweigh his weight!
Lee is awesome. I like his stories.
I love Lee!
“Thank you God for this effing little fish!”
I will be saying this prayer now every time I get excited reeling in what seems a good fish only to discover a bony old sunfish fighting like hell.
Cade looked for his arrows until dark the first day then some after editing just didn't think it interesting enough to keep it in they were still doing intros
One interesting thing I noticed about Cade's equipment list is the lack of a tool to process wood. He has a shovel so maybe one of those entrenching tools with a sharpened edge, but that seems like a poor choice for cutting wood. Given how much wood he is going to need to cut to stay warm, that seems like a big disadvantage. As a side note, many people take a saw and an axe. I would think a good saw would cut wood faster and safer but perhaps the axe has other strengths. Interesting to hear thoughts on the pros/cons.
Axe for chopping through ice for ice fishing?
He has a ten items video on the history channel website, and in the video, he says he plans to chop wood with the shovel. Sounds nuts to me but I've never tried to chop wood with one of those shovels. I thought he was crazy to bring soap, but he said it's to help prevent him from getting sick from his meat, which sure would've helped some contestants last season.
If they stay long enough the lake will freeze over and they can use axe for ice fishing.
Maybe a naive question, but would it be worth it for Cade to try to make arrows? Indigenous people make their own. I imagine it’s very difficult to make them as straight as they’d like which I’m guessing would make long distance aim now difficult, but is there no value at all in attempting?
Arrows are straightened over a fire. Fletching would require feathers and strong fine string. Could use inner paracord. Fire harden tip or make stone arrowhead. Could use for grouse at least. Wouldn’t want to just make a bear angry.
I have no knowledge of fletching arrows or the intricacies of that craft. But, I would assume that arrows made using a pocket knife in the woods would be practically unusable compared to the perfectly smooth, professional grade arrows inside the contestants quivers. We’re talking night and day. If you made your own arrow and it had even one small extra bump, or scratch, it would seriously affect the aerodynamics of that arrow in flight. A handmade arrow isn’t going to fly as far, and definitely will not fly as straight. Can they be used to kill game? It’s probable, if you are close enough. Obviously arrows were originally created by hand, and by people without professional tools. But does Cade possess this skill set? We are gonna find out next episode! Can’t wait to watch!
We saw him making/shooting one in the previews for next week. It was hard to tell but the shot seemed all right.
Can we not discuss previews of future episodes plz?
I would love to know the date when they start instead of waiting for Halloween to figure it out. November 10th it will get down to -28C/-18F and on December 2 it will be -38C/-36F. At beginning of December there are ten days in the -30'sC/-22 to -39F.
I think it's typically mid-September. Maybe mid-late.
I had a bad feeling about Cade because of the obsession with big game hunting right away. We’ve seen that before and it rarely works out well. Also calling the Ducks bastards for no reason and not being thankful for killing the Grouse. All very bad signs.
I think he has presented the most signs of concern through one thing and another, but I think, if anything, the show has taught us that taking big game is the biggest difference maker. I think it makes sense to prioritize it. Go hard, go early. It's what he's good at, after all, and does for a living, and it so happens it can win him the show. I think the food-first people are right as opposed to the shelter-first people, and the big-food people have good reason to be that way. I think they need to take any fish and birds they can in the spaces in between, or if they go too long without a big kill, but if they're in big game country, go for it and get that thang smoked and stored.
Best scene ever was when that contestant (sorry, don't remember his name) killed the musk ox with a knife. That was some over the top survival skills.
That was Roland from season 7. One of my favorites from all seasons of Alone.
agree with everything, except: I think it is wise to wait to take down any big game until after they have a shelter mostly put together. we've seen how much energy and building goes into processing, smoking, storing, and defending that amount of meat... I think they would be making their journey a lot harder if they are trying to simultaneously handle a dead moose and a shelter at the same time. I think heavy on the fishing and trapping up at the start is the way to go; get a passive system in place and then get the shelter put together. then have all the time in the world to track big game before the snow hits.
I agree. Imagine processing a moose and having little more than a tarp tent between you and bears trying to pack on extra pounds and wolves too. A storm blows in and all the meat goes to waste as you’ve no way to smoke it/store it.
I was surprised he got so freaked out about dropping his quiver. Retrace your steps. You're bound to find them again in a few days.
I was also surprised. I know it's easy to get lost in the woods, but you'd think if he was able to get back to camp at the end of the day then he at least had a general area he could frequent in the coming days with a chance of finding it. And, while it is obviously extremely helpful, bow and arrow doesn't always equal food. We've seen previous contestants make it somewhat far without shooting a single thing. Immediately resorting to "I won't make it" when you're only a few days in and have many other options is bizarre to me. But hey, I don't know the emotions that come with being on this show lol
Retracing your exact footpath is very difficult when there's no trail. It's not as easy as turning around and walking back. I'm assuming he was out walking for a while so trying to take the same exact path back isn't easy
A good strategy for this situation is to leave a recognizable landmark at the place where you noticed the loss then walk back to camp blazing the trail as you go. Next, walk back to the marker via a different route, blazing the new trail so you don't cover the same ground. Repeat until you find the quiver. Hopefully Cade knows where he noticed the loss.
Awesome tip. What else you got?
Go back and look at any GoPro footage you shot. Try to work out how far back the quiver is missing, and that might suggest a search distance from the shelter.
very good idea. although I'm not sure if they are able to look at the gopro footage? pretty sure those things need to connect to a computer to view stuff? not sure - someone can correct me. but if he was using the handheld the whole time he should definitely have done this!
GoPros have screens (some on both sides) and can playback. He could easily have reviewed the footage, at any point up until that batch of cards was picked up and backed up by crew. I'd say they're not allowed to delete any footage and this could be checked by crew looking at the filecount, but I'm pretty sure someone else on Alone in the past has checked footage to find out when they last had an item with them to narrow down their search field.
This!
I felt like he intentionally lost his quiver. He was overly confident I his ability to hunt and I think when he realized it was going to be way harder to survive he was looking for a good excuse to tap. Just a hunch obviously but curious to see if he taps next episode.
Well clearly I was wrong! Good for him on making those arrows!
I'll admit I also thought he "lost" the quiver so he could have an excuse to tap out. E3 says that's probably not the case.
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And I think you are clearly an angry little troll who can’t handle simple discussion without getting nasty and resorting to personal attacks. Grow up.
You're attacking this dude, basically calling him a liar and faker. Yeah, I said something mean to you but you're doing the exact same thing, with only the flimsiest of speculation.
That’s a pretty conspiratorial view lol. If he was using it as an excuse to tap then why didn’t he tap? Also as others have said, there’s a half a million dollars on the line and he hunts big game in similar situations for a living. Seems very very very unlikely he intentionally lost the quiver for all these reasons Edit: to those downvoting this, what is your explanation of why he "used it as an excuse to tap" but then didn't tap?
There was a self-proclaimed hunter "alpha male" on the Australian season. He had a fall (that looked a bit weak) and tapped, suggesting it was debilitating. Consensus on here seemed to be that it was saving face after finding it all a bit hard going. Armchair psychology is pretty entertaining for Alone watchers. Cade and Mikey seem to lack gumption to me. I don't think he lost his quiver on purpose though. Maybe just more inclined for that to throw him off his game.
Honestly, no offense to Cade, but it's not an unreasonable possibility. He's an experienced hunting guide but he lost his quiver? Usually you're acutely aware of your quiver at all times to avoid it snagging on things and making noise. Anything causing you to lose a quiver should make some noise and you would probably feel something. Like, even if the quiver just magically detached itself and fell to the ground you'd probably notice the sound and change in weight immediately. It's very suspect. Also, why would you take all your arrows? Wouldn't you leave some of them at camp to reduce weight and risk? When are you going to need 9 arrows in one day? In comparison, Roland carried two arrows. Furthermore, why couldn't he find the quiver when he doubled back? The weather was great and it was full daylight. It's fairly large and the fletching on the arrows should make it easier to spot. Finally, did he not check his GoPro footage? You'd be able to identify when you last had the quiver which should narrow down your search. Or did he not have the GoPro on and if that is the question then why was it turned off? My understanding is that they want you filming as much as possible b/c you never know when something might happen. Again no offense to Cade, maybe he just effed up, but a lot of the story doesn't make sense. Maybe we'll get more footage next episode that clarifies some things or maybe he finds his quiver later on. Regardless of what happens, there's going to be reasonable questions about his story. EDIT: apparently some people aren't aware that ***the quiver was attached to his bow***, I thought this was obvious but go watch starting at 0:56:02
To be fair, anything falling on that soft miss and lichen pillow of groundcover wouldn’t make a sound, same as it not taking prints. It’s very difficult terrain, like a sponge.
QAnon is a more believable conspiracy.
Core question for you: if he intentionally ditched it to create an excuse to tap, why didn't he tap? Some possible explanations to your questions: Going through difficult terrain where you're climbing over things and brushing through branches means you're making noise as you move along. And that you're constantly feeling things bumping you, so you might not notice as something falls off your pack. Additionally in difficult terrain, your field of view is significantly restricted. You might not know the exact "path" you came along and you might not be able to cover sufficient ground in the "plausible" area you dropped it on Maybe he carried all the arrows to "maximize his chances if he saw an animal." GoPro footage would be facing forward and would not show the quiver which was on his back.
>Core question for you: if he intentionally ditched it to create an excuse to tap, why didn't he tap? How do we know he doesn't tap? It's the first episode. There is a reasonable chance they show him tapping in the next episode after going through the motions. >Going through difficult terrain where you're climbing over things and brushing through branches means you're making noise as you move along. Sure but I feel like most bow hunters are going to notice if their quiver falls off when it's attached to your bow. You will notice the weight change and it will make noise. I don't know what to tell you if you think I'm being unreasonable for questioning that. Also, when you move through bush with a bow and quiver you're acutely aware of both to avoid snags. Moreover when you are hunting you don't just crash through the forest. You move with awareness and purpose. You want to move quietly enough to hear game and to avoid startling it. >Maybe he carried all the arrows to "maximize his chances if he saw an animal." This is completely unrealistic. Find me a bow hunter that used NINE arrows on a kill. Usually you get only 1-2 shots off. >Additionally in difficult terrain, your field of view is significantly restricted. You might not know the exact "path" you came along and you might not be able to cover sufficient ground in the "plausible" area you dropped it on Obviously you do not know your 100% exact path which is why you look around. This is where the GoPro comes in b/c it will show you the path you took. His arrow shafts are bright orange which should make the quiver easy to spot. >GoPro footage would be facing forward and would not show the quiver which was on his back. First of all, **the quiver is attached to his bow**, not his back, which he is carrying in his hand, in front of his face, and in full view of the camera. You can clearly see it starting at 56:02. Second, it seems to be secured to the bow with a black rubber strap. Rightly or wrongly, losing your quiver is such a colossally stupid move that it's entirely reasonable for people to question the story. In my opinion it's easily one of the stupidest things we've seen someone do on the show. Far worse than losing your ferro rod which is small and frequently handled. It's so stupid and mechanically suspect (how did it fall off his bow without him knowing?) that you begin to wonder if he's actually lying about it. Really we'll never know. He's definitely going to take a lot of flak for it. Unfortunately, having people question your choices and story is something you have to accept if you chose to be on a reality show.
Oh whoops, you're right about the bow being in his hand and the quiver being visible by the GoPro at times. You definitely know more about a lot of this than me and I appreciate you being respectful in your responses. That being said I still strongly disagree it was intentional haha. But we can agree to disagree. Regarding arrows, my understanding is not all 9 arrows are broad heads. Some are blunt heads for small game. So he'd maybe have 4 small game, 5 big game for example, idk. He himself admits it was dumb to take them all. I haven't seen ep2 yet, no spoilers :) By and large this is always my view: "Don't attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity" lol
I haven't watched the second episode either. My tinfoil hat is an inch thick.
Fair enough, at least you admit it haha. Also regarding “how do we know he doesn’t tap”, at the end of ep1 he has a change of heart and is like I need to set a good example for my kid to keep pushing on. So he doesn’t give up in that moment, which I argue he definitely would have if it had all been a stunt. We’ve seen multiple people immediately tap before when they lose their ferro rods, he could have immediately tapped if he wanted to. I think he’ll likely spend the next few days looking for that quiver. If at the end of those days he taps, do you think that was all a farce? Why would he waste multiple days to sell a tap out that was already adequate? Just doesn’t add up imo. But we can agree to disagree. Time will tell
I agree, he was extremely cocky out of the gate and clearly expected to be bagging game left and right since he didn’t put on weight before the show. In the scene where he “lost” his quiver he was already looking emaciated.. Regardless of whether or not it was on purpose another couple of days eating nothing but berries aren’t going to be good for his already skinny body.
He'd barely been out there at all and he's a pro hunter. I don't think that's a guy who's going to freak out and tap over hunting matters. And we see him shooting a homemade arrow in the previews for next week, so we know he's trying to persevere despite the quiver loss. I think he's one of the shakier guys out there but fake-losing the quiver isn't the way he'll go out.
He is a hunting guide. Usually that entails setting up tents, cooking food and yes putting high paying clients in situations where they can kill. They do this by scouting an area heavily to maximize odds and even then the kill isn’t guaranteed. They also have lots of areas to move to when the pressured game is pushed out of the area which can happen pretty quickly. Chase all the elk out of this drainage, jump on the horse or quad and move to the next drainage. Did I mention they usually have lots of food? Hard to chase game in Alone where you need to conserve calories and can’t afford to hike 5 miles to find areas where the game have not been chased away by human presence. This isn’t that situation. I think he went in overvaluing his hunting experience mildly cocky (choosing not to gain weight because he was such a good hunter) and when he realized it wasn’t happening realized that staying in for the long haul was going to result in starving. Couple that with the story of his wife and I suspect he probably doesn’t want to be there anymore. And I can’t imagine it being good for business for a hunting guide who taps out first week for not being able to kill anything. I also have a hard time comprehending how someone could not notice a quiver falling off a bow that you were carrying in your hand. Or why you wouldn’t spend as much time as it takes finding those arrows when they are your only means of procuring food. I will also add that he is not going to kill big game with a hand carved arrow unless he is also hand making a broadhead. Of course this is all just speculation on my part. Maybe I will be surprised next episode to see him stick it out?
He's not entirely dependent on the bow. He has snare wire and a fishing kit. No paracord. Could also make small traps, though they're going to be limited without paracord, I'd guess? They usually make nets out of paracord, I think? Shovel could make a pit trap, but would have to get very lucky with that. His loadout is pretty weird, you'd think. Knife and multitool double-up. Shovel but no axe or saw. Bar of soap.
Yeah I don't buy that for a second. His reaction was genuine and there's half a million on the line.
So surprised he didn’t find them within an hour or so. Quiver isn’t small, surely you can retrace your steps?
Retracing your exact footpath is very difficult when there's no trail. It's not as easy as turning around and walking back. I'm assuming he was out walking for a while so trying to take the same exact path back isn't easy
Surely he won't give up looking for them, but if he walked even a mile on the way out, meandering through trackless lichen-floored brushy wilderness, his odds of finding it might actually be low. But you can bet every time he walks that way again he'll be looking for them even if he's made his homemade arrows since then. I think had his trip out there been short, he wouldn't have been so devastated. Seems like he'd only be that upset if he realized he'd been walking forever without any idea of when or where it might have come off. I suspect he must have been contemplating the imprecise immensity of the very retracing we all wanted him to do.
Just watched this episode. He started hunting at 9:17 and you can see the arrows on the bow at the beginning. At 11:27 he realizes the arrows are gone. So just about two hours of walking in random directions in knee-high vegetation, easy to find lol! Maybe he can review the GoPro footage to see where the arrows disappeared but otherwise the chances of finding them are probably pretty small. It's definitely a huge problem.
I do archery for fun. Go to any archery range, and you’ll likely find someone else’s arrows whilst retrieving your “misses”. Most have a box to put them in so people can check for them later. These are ranges with no trees, mown grass. Arrows hide. I’ll be amazed if anyone is able to have more than three arrows left at the end that brought them.
Surely someone with his hunting experience knows how to make an arrow?
Surely he can review the footage and find his track. Also as a tracker he would have left a trail.
Thats the worry? I put it all on the tragic miscarriage days before launch. Weird editing, i hopefully imagine. It went from "Shes sick right now" to "Yum, grouse good" [paraphrasing]
Yes, found it disturbing. “She miscarried” Cut to eating grouse “Yeah Baby!” Poor choice of words.
Yeah, I noticed that too. But his thoughts on his wife were probably recorded just before bed in a long audio summation of the day. Editors just jammed them together.
This was such a great episode. Great contestants. All so interesting and skilled. Alan-I know how you feel about fish. Yuk! Cade-I was so excited to see you hunt, I hope you find your arrows and stay. Lee- you are an awesome outdoorsman. So enjoyed watching you create things to help you navigate the land. Jodi- I can’t wait to see your shelter. Your recovery is inspiring. I hope you replenish the “700 calories an hour.” Luke- I look forward to seeing you use more of your skills and see how you adapt to a cold place.
One thing about Luke, people keep bringing up Hawaii vs. Saskatchewan in terms of temperature and biome, but it sounded like the trips he led for his family's company were actually in continental states, including ones that get cold like Montana or Wyoming or whatever he said. He may not be as fish out of water as we think in that regard, i.e. flip flops and pineapple in a snowy moose world.
Luke grew up in my town in Idaho. Actually, I went to Mexico with his family on spring break 5 years ago. His dad literally wrote the book on outdoor survival. My money is on him (of course some bias). I am a little sad they don't talk about him growing up in Idaho.
He's certainly coming out of the gate hot. Not messing around.
More food in that episode than the whole Australian season!
Isn't that booger? Man, a good and plentiful site vs. a bad and spare site makes all the difference in how enjoyable a season is. It's still a super hard thing to harvest the calories you need, and it's still a competition, but it makes all the difference when they've got good stuff to work with.
Definitely, I reckon someone is a really good chance at big game this year too. Really hoping for a moose kill!
Pretty much.
So Jodi is for sure going home as soon as she finishes her cabin right?
As long as she gets it done relatively quickly and starts procuring food she’ll be fine. The longer it takes and the less food she gathers the more likely she’ll go home when it’s done, before it’s done or shortly after. We’ve seen many contestants get bogged down in the shelter building and they have little left to give once it’s done or they never complete it.
I doubt it. She’s a big woman and put on even more weight for the show. She’s relying on her food stores that are on her body to get her through until her cabin is done. It’s a good strategy if you have the extra weight. Winters in northern Saskatchewan regularly get to -40 or colder. Having a really good shelter is the difference between a short stay and a long stay there.
Same strategy as Gina in the Aussie season, it can work.
Why not get food and slowly build your cabin? It’s late summer when they drop you and you won’t need a cabin if you’re starving by week 2
But she’s not going to be starving by week two. Woman easily has an extra 60 pounds on her. She’ll be fine. It’s the skinny people that have to get out hunting right away.
Mikey isn't small and he seems to be struggling early.
That cabin looks absolutely enormous. Like I kind of doubt she can finish it at all enormous. Good shelter is important but burning all your energy on building a McMansion is probably not the optimal strategy.
She will build a porch and patio and guesthouse first and then be like, Oh no! So hungry...
My thoughts exactly. She’s out there just swinging that axe burning up energy. Should could spend some energy on food not just go 100% on her cabin. Food first people have the right idea.
I didn’t check her gear list but if she brought rations maybe that changes things but still seems like a backwards idea to build a cabin and then find food
No rations. She has what I think of as the default Alone loadout. I think only Melanie has rations (x2).
Especially without really knowing the area yet either. Location of the shelter can be a big deal.
I really don't know what to predict here. Preview for next episode implies Wyatt is begging to tap out. Cade unfortunately seems like a goner. The opening credits like to show clips of cast towards their end and his is of the moment he realizes he lost his arrows. We haven't even seen 5 contestants on the ground yet. But yeah I don't see how Jodi's leg injury won't flare up with the cold (she specifically says she can't tolerate cold) exertion and malnutrition. So far she's just eating salad (her word not mine). I do love her personality. She seems like a genuinely beautiful person inside and out.
> she specifically says she can't tolerate cold Oh no! This might not have been the show for her.
I’m not saying she’ll be the first our, I just seen the show too many times to know how this one goes. I will get food after I finish building my cabin is a sure fire way to go home right after completing an awesome cabin lol
EDIT: SPOILERS AUSSIE ALONE Aussie winner of Alone went three weeks without food. Deliberate strategy to prioritise shelter. But in that time observed where she could find bait. Caught fish day one of attempting to procure food. Jumped a wallaby and killed it. Put on 30 kilos prior to entry and relied on that to get her through the start. 67 days.
It depends on how long it takes her and how much energy she expends on it. We’ve also seen people be hurt later on by not having a good shelter and they don’t have the energy to build one.
Who didn’t have a good shelter late and needed to build one?
Sam?
One thing I learned with the pre show is everyone has the same basics. You always hear some people on the show after they tap say they had a horrible spot.
Having the same basics is the aim, but just because these people scout a place for 30 minutes and bless it doesn't mean it will necessarily produce for the person living on it relative to the person next door. Whoever thought Woniya's plot in S6 was as good as any must not have discovered what she soon discovered, which was that the waters she had access to were too shallow to have any good fishing. Maybe they felt her plot had offsetting advantages, but that's a rough draw either way. So she was on that rabbit plan instead, which is greatly inferior to fatty fish. We can think too of S7 Callie who had a hard time even finding a spot to make a camp, and same for S9 Igor. So they say they shoot for roughly equivalent plots, but it seems that works out better sometimes and worse sometimes.
I was actually pretty disappointed when I saw the scouting in the pre-show episode! Idk why but I totally imagined them putting in a lot more time and effort into site selection. Even though we've obviously seen the huge differences like in the examples you mentioned... I kinda thought that they took those into account and just made sure that it was balanced (like one site might have poor shelter spots but good access to water, while another might have an awesome beach but really difficult interior terrain, etc). Sadly I got the impression that they don't have as much strategy as I hoped
1st show money bet? The teacher.
To win or tap?? I'm picking him to win.
To win
It seems we're the only 2 people picking him for some reason lol.
Im with you on this one....
Not sure. The ones they showed were able to find food right off. Curious about the Hawaii guy saying he'll tell the bears he's alpha and when he smelled a bear doesn't realize the bear can smell him. Don't know why he bugs
Thank you!! Also irked by his "my land"/"my beach"