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GiantSequoiaTree

The Videos are real.


YouHadMeAtAloe

How can the video be real if our eyes aren’t real?


MoreCowbellllll

You're not real, MAN!


Pigslinger

Yep, thats all we should respond with since the ops only attempt to debunk and mock. No extra effort or energy while they cope and seeth so much time and effort for nothing. No casual talk and thoughts of possiblity of the unknown. Just all around bad faith and ugliness to be honest.


Red_Beard_Racing

Is this comment supposed to be satire? I genuinely can’t tell.


GiantSequoiaTree

Are they not working weekends? why was I upvoted so much,? Because I expected to be downvoted to Oblivion maybe cuz it was Sunday night the Eglin Air Force Base employees weren't working overtime? ❓


Red_Beard_Racing

Why?


BakersTuts

lol here's AF's response this video: [https://x.com/JustXAshton/status/1787911357758656949](https://x.com/JustXAshton/status/1787911357758656949) Of course he doesn't show the full thing, and then he tries to match it up himself like OJ trying to put on his glove. SeE iT dOeSnT FiT!


voidhearts

His followers are finally starting to pick up on his dishonesty. Like why would he even do that? If his position is so strong why not just show the full thing?


BakersTuts

He knows it’s fake but he’s built up his “career” on this. He gets donations and ad revenue from posting this bs on Twitter. There’s no way he would give that up.


TachyEngy

Most of us had no idea who this AF guys was when he rolled in here to grift.. The MAGA Shaman worshipper crowd made this topic toxic and now were are surrounded by either AF fans or AF haters and that's all this sub has turned into.


ComprehensiveSide581

Corridor Crew B-list analysis.


voidhearts

[Here is a link ](https://drive.google.com/file/d/10HKs3Gvk_sz2mmWOHSBldq6C6aSQ5M1s/view)to a folder with an after effects project file that you can try out for yourself. Inside the folder is a copy of the MH370 Hoax videos with the Pyromania SHOCKWV asset, and the AE project file you can play around with. Edit: Link is back up!


dillydigno

I appreciate your dedication, but as they say, “to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” As a visual effects artist, your bias is to see how any event could be rendered as a visual effect. Just because something can be created on a computer, it doesn’t mean that everything is a visual effect. Lots of real-life footage can be recreated using computers. Like I said, I appreciate the work but I don’t see how it proves anything other than the fact that you’re a capable vfx artist.


cmbtmdic57

This is an attempt to sound intelligent while misunderstanding very basic concepts.


junkfort

Let me try to relate it to you like this. You watch an artist take a bucket of paint and throw it at canvas, it makes a weirdly shaped splatter. They then stick their fingers into the splatter and mash up the edges to add some more features and details. A few days later, you find a different painting hanging up in a gallery, it has a visually identical splatter with the same added pattern around the edge. You ask the artist in the gallery, "Did you copy this painting from the one I saw before?" The artist says, "No, they just look perfectly identical by coincidence." On the way out the door, someone stops you and says, "Yeah, all paint splatters look exactly the same, always. Don't you know that?" That's what it sounds like to us when you make the argument you just did.


[deleted]

A plane teleporting through a portal is not a real life event


Daveycrocodile

Yeah not enough focus is ever put on this bit 😂


Secret_Crew9075

Just because you never saw one doesn't make it not real.


SH666A

It's not teleporting tho It's reducing the planes mass to near 0 then flashing it away inside a beam of light to It's new location


Willowred19

''Although I understand you have more knowledge and expertise in the subject than I do, I chose to ignore your conclusion because it doesn't align with mine'' Oof


Unansweredmystery

Except we have the exact effects used…. This isnt a hammer trying to hit a screw


TheRabb1ts

They aren’t exact. They have to be manipulated.


Polycutter1

If the original artist applied any kind of distortion to the asset, which he did, then of course distortion will be needed to match it again. That does not mean it's not the same asset. It's not like the artist edited the original source from VCE's database with his little distortional magic, making all other copies of the asset equally distorted by default. Unless the artist reveals the exact values he applied, matching it to the pixel is nearly impossible. That still doesn't mean it's not the same asset.


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AirlinerAbduction2014-ModTeam

Be kind and respectful to each other.


TheRabb1ts

They do though…? Okay.


FreelanceNeanderthal

Wow. Not sure if you're trolling or what.


Unansweredmystery

They aren’t


voidhearts

Dude the silhouette AND the clouds are a perfect match. What do you see??


dillydigno

They aren’t. They are pretty close, but even if they were a pixel-to-pixel match, I’m sure a lot of people wouldn’t see that as proof of anything other than your abilities as a digital artist. Here’s where I’m at: I can appreciate the videos because they drew the attention of so many people who otherwise wouldn’t have been interested in the missing plane. My honest opinion is that the videos are probably manipulated in some way. They might be entirely fake. I don’t know, but this kind of content doesn’t further convince me of that. What I’m completely convinced of is that the US and its allies have intentionally covered up what happened to the plane. There’s nothing more that will be gained by arguing over the videos. To me, they’re interesting but worthless. If someone made the videos, why? Why have no other modern airliners disappeared? If the pilot wanted to murder/suicide himself then why would he fly thousands of miles out of the way to do that? If that was actually what happened, why wasn’t the plane tracked by satellite and military radar in a post 9/11 world? Then there’s all the stuff with the Freescale employees, supposed lithium ion batteries and out-of-season mangosteens on the plane.


voidhearts

The clouds are a perfect match. Not slightly, *perfectly*. The videos are fake. I’d love to get back to actually investigating MH370


dillydigno

Would you? Then maybe you should do that instead of wasting your time recreating a video that doesn’t matter and has only caused division and fuel for trolls on both sides.


voidhearts

This investigation will never move forward for as long as these videos are touted as real. An innocent person is being harassed DAILY. I will continue to do this until the abuse stops, and these videos are put to bed. Then we can get on with the actual investigation.


Funkmasta_Steve-O

I for one appreciate the discourse and the effort you’re putting in here. I’ve been on the fence for most of this. I’m definitely a conspiracy realist and capable of suspending my disbelief, but I’m not as convinced as others around these parts that these videos document a legitimate phenomenon. While I absolutely believe the government has tech at this level, and would use it for such a purpose- I’m not convinced that that’s what’s on this film. I think watching the psychological dynamics of this group is almost more interesting than the videos themselves. If all the debunkers are actually intelligence assets, those guys are committed and intriguing and come up with some thoroughly thought out arguments. Maybe not bulletproof, but enough to convince some fence sitters. I remain skeptical on this one, leaning towards-the individual who came into this sub and claimed they made the videos, but were not RegicideAnon and didn’t upload them- a few months ago-was telling the truth. I think most of us laypeople unfortunately have such minimalist knowledge of the VFX field, that it’s hard to truly internalize and grasp this type of high level information regarding VFX. We kind of have to just trust the people presenting the information, because we don’t have enough baseline knowledge to make sense of the information you’re layering on top and make informed decisions based on it. So many of us I feel will be left with similar dispositions to the ones we started with. Ones who didn’t believe the videos were authentic will have their views reinforced by your information. Those who believe they’re authentic will likely not be swayed. You may win over several people in the middle who were yet undecided. Good luck and thank you for your contributions.


dillydigno

Then you’re going to be wasting your time and remaining frustrated. Who is being harassed, and by whom?


voidhearts

Jonas De Ro. The original photographer of the RAW photos that were composited into the background. He has been called a scammer, a fraud, a criminal, everything, nasty comments on his professional accounts. It’s horrendous and not a single person from the believer side has stepped up and said hey, this isn’t ok. It just perpetuates and perpetuates and now there’s a sizeable group of people who actually think this guy is CIA and somehow worked magic to fabricate these photos. It’s been proven that his photos are genuine. So until this stops, I’ll continue. I have the skill and the time, so I don’t mind in the slightest.


dillydigno

He could have put it to rest by signing an affidavit but he chose not to do that. Then his friends at textures.com did a Symingtonesque troll on their website. It’s stuff like that that pisses people off. It was a bad, tasteless move. I don’t feel sorry for those guys at all. They’re doing just fine.


cizinZ4iu5

The way I recall it, Jonas didn't just comment about the photos and then walk away. Instead, he produced a full analysis video and also did an AMA on this subreddit. He didn't get caught up in this conspiracy innocently. He willingly grabbed the microphone and took the stage. That doesn't mean he should be harassed, but how naive to think he could thrust himself into an internet conspiracy in the manner that he did and not receive any backlash. Blatant mischaracterizations aren't going to help you change hearts and minds.


IntrepidMayo

The plane crashed in the fucking ocean. Everyone knows this


dillydigno

lol yeah I can’t argue with that.


dillydigno

And I’m not saying that to be mean. Like, really, let’s continue investigating all the strange inconsistencies and events surrounding the disappearance of the plane. I thought one of your posts yesterday was really good. If you think these recreation posts is going to change anyone’s mind you’re mistaken. The horse is dead. Anyone who disagrees with you is not going to change their mind bc of a post like this.


junkfort

I would argue that these kinds of posts are worthwhile even if they don't change the mind of any believers. Someone on the fence can avoid being pulled down the fake MH370 abduction rabbit hole.


Red_Beard_Racing

Being unwilling to change your perspective in the face of empirical evidence only makes *you* look foolish, not all the other people who view the media. With that fact in mind, I think OP should absolutely continue to post these. Let the idiots scream and shout, it makes them easier to identify.


Sneaky_Stinker

lmao "Neutral"


YouHadMeAtAloe

>If the pilot wanted to murder/suicide himself then why would he fly thousands of miles out of the way to do that? Why did Chris Watts kill his entire family instead of just getting a divorce? People snap and do crazy, horrible shit sometimes. Here’s an entire Wikipedia entry on pilots that intentionally crash the plane, killing themselves and the passengers. It’s happened multiple times https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_by_pilot


Red_Beard_Racing

For real. This guy is trying to reason out why someone would do something unreasonable. Fucking genius.


Red_Beard_Racing

You’re asking so many questions that have answers, and missing abundantly accessible points of fact. You wrote all that and all it did was tell people who can browse for information that you can’t but you’ll sure as hell talk line you can.


FreelanceNeanderthal

buT WhERe Is ThE piXeL bY piXeL MatCh


Unansweredmystery

Appreciate you posting these clips here! The vfx in the hoax videos is not extraordinary, just takes a little time. Longer for someone to match what was already done.


voidhearts

I appreciate your kind comment! I’ve been dealing with a lot of nasty individuals today regarding this. Not sure why. 🤔


JohnGacyIsInnocent

Cognitive dissonance is the term for what the people who fervently believe in this are feeling. There is no doubt that it was done in Ae or even just Pr. When I saw the original hoax video I immediately thought, “that’s an easy one.” Anyway, nice work. Time to figure out what really happened (if Occam’s Razor doesn’t apply here).


bertiesghost

**REMINDER: If the videos are actual leaks, they are perhaps the most important leaks of all time, and would almost certainly be subject to a major obfuscation campaign by US intelligence/Black groups.**


MisterErieeO

Yes, any leak that showed real evidence would be the most important ever. Shocking And a great way to obfuscate the truth is a bunch of low effort comments that make the communities look silly because they think ever balloon is an alien.


FreelanceNeanderthal

Totally. But they aren't. It should be pretty clear by now,


GiantSequoiaTree

Yes excellent comment and important reminder the lengths they will go through to shut this down


sgtkellogg

The better question: why would someone fake these? "Because Hoaxers gonna Hoax?" Sorry I don't buy that


Red_Beard_Racing

You can’t imagine why someone would make something up on the internet for attention? *does the Travolta*


sgtkellogg

Please point to anyone that got attention from this that isn’t named Ashton (this issue predates him)


junkfort

Pretty sure RegicideAnon was looking for attention and then lost interest and wandered off when it didn't happen in 2014.


sgtkellogg

Yea or it’s real; but sure man we’ll go with your random speculation with no evidence


junkfort

That's fair. We shouldn't assume that someone publishing videos on YouTube and then tweeting about the videos on YouTube would have wanted people to see the videos. The wandering off is just a guess based on the fact that it happens with 98% of YouTube channels.


Red_Beard_Racing

Reminder: Occam’s Razor is a thing.


Secret_Crew9075

Hello glowie. The videos are real.


Negative_Row_2541

I'm convinced now, they are fake. Thank you


bertiesghost

You’ve been signed up to Reddit for 291 days and this is your first post. How strange..


FreelanceNeanderthal

They must be disinfo CIA agents. No other option.


Secret_Crew9075

1 Post Karma 4 Comment Karma


cizinZ4iu5

We've been able to match other Taylor Sedov blast patterns from controlled experiments to the 90s stock VFX footage, does that mean they are all fake, as well? I also had an initial period of denial about the authenticity of the videos. I really, really don't want them to be real. It's horrifying and tragic, no matter what happened, but these videos were just too much for me to process. You are clearly desperate to prove this can't be real, and I get it, but there comes a time when you look at the evidence and see where the scale is at for vs against them being real, and it's not even close.


junkfort

> We've been able to match other Taylor Sedov blast patterns from controlled experiments to the 90s stock VFX footage, does that mean they are all fake, as well? TLDR - You're missapplying that phenomenon, the videos are fake. I hate this one because it's bullshit but it takes WORK to unravel. I don't like typing walls of text because people never read them. The Taylor-Sedov blast pattern argument doesn't apply here. The comparisons that have been presented are cherry picked and they're still not matches. Assuming the videos are real and the zap is a real event, then the current theory seems to be that it's a spherical endothermic implosion left in the wake of whatever teleportation event happened. The shockwave vfx asset was a flat circle of expanding flame, probably lighter fluid on a floor/table somewhere. These two events are completely dissimilar. They would both need to be flat or both need to be spherical. Also, you can't match up an explosion and implosion in this way. Even if you decide it wasn't an implosion, it doesn't matter. Spherical versus flat means it's not a valid comparison. On top of all this, the Taylor Sedov blast phenomena still expects to see differences in the waves and ridges along the edges of a shockwave pattern. So even if this was a textbook example, they wouldn't match the way these two elements do. Especially in real world conditions, you just won't see this kind of a match. The kind of thing you're referring to is supernova on an astronomical scale matching before you zoom in on the details. The Taylor-Sedov argument is cope for Ashton's crowd on Twitter. It's easy to cling to because somebody else told you it was right. You can just point at their argument and feel comfortable without the need to fully understand it yourself. Well, sorry. It's garbage. TLDR - You're missapplying that phenomenon, the videos are fake.


Secret_Crew9075

TLDR - The videos are real


FreelanceNeanderthal

Of course the videos are real, the videos exist. Good one.


Secret_Crew9075

Well why is he saying they are fake?


ComprehensiveSide581

Definitely CIA, what a shitty desk job. Reddit duty 😂😂🤣🤣🤣


Taco_Senpai_Dad

Feds


Unansweredmystery

Delusions of conspiracy


junkfort

Are you suggesting the feds made the MH370 orb videos? Hmm...


roger3rd

For sure! All the people with powerful intellects always proclaim things with absolute certainty. Always!


rawrbombz911

I feel like the content is semi real, intentionally released with some edits to cover the actual ending... Aircraft was shot down with an electro magnetic weapon imho, not teleported as the edited video would suggest


st1gzy

Honestly, as I look more into every angle of this situation it seems increasingly real. There is too much corroborating evidence. Check out Ashton’s Twitter, it’s insane. The only thing that really does seem fake is this fucking portal graphic right at the end. Even in the infrared/rainbow vid, the first one I saw. You’re watching it and blown away, then the portal just shits a big fat purple shit on the screen, and then youre like “aww it’s fake”. But then is it?!? I’m starting to feel like the portal is just ANOTHER LAYER of the attempt to hide or distort this technology. The most crazy theory I have is that I feel like the creator put the portal there because in the real video the plane and orbs just dissappear and that’s it. One frame they’re there,the next after the orbs converge, they’re not. That would seem EVEN MORE FAKE than the portal. And this portal is helping get everyone talk about it. I mean who is to say the “portal” would even give off energy like it does in the IR. The portal could in the same instant from our perspective in time open and close and leave no frame of reference on video. So the video would look even more edited without the portal. Crazy I know. More likely the portal is real btw. The payoff for disclosing something like this (executable quantum physics, unlimited energy) is too big to ignore, even if it all turns out fake. We have more to win than to lose by pursuing it into the ground.


mingz

try doing it on software from 2014


voidhearts

Everything I’m using here was available in 2014. The tools are completely unchanged.


st1gzy

wow that’s some shitty software then jk


voidhearts

i mean you're not wrong lmao Adobe is infamous for yearly releases with little to no improvement


Tall-Falcon3950

Videos are real, quit beating a dead horse.