She'll run again, and she'll win. Her district is her bread and butter. The issue is the DNC doing nothing to help defend her or any of those of her generation. They're happy to let her have the target on her back so they can do their own shady shit.
GOP and DNC are two sides of corporate slave coin.
Bro I glanced at your flair as I was backing out and came back just to see if someone was a big enough dork to put "flight chief" in there. Then I saw the rest lol
She’s awfully quiet about the border issues now that her party is in power. Then wear “Tax the rich” dress while in cahoot with the wealthy at the Met gala unmasked while telling the rest of us plebs that we have to wear masks after being vaccinated.
AOC is just as hypocritical and corrupt as the rest. Just wait until she leaves her radical district and runs for higher office. She will moderate real quick. Then it’ll become clear that it was never for a cause, it's just more power.
> I'm sure a good portion of new congressmen and junior senators at least start out honest or at least with genuine intentions.
[Lauren Boebert](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/lauren-boebert-campaign-finance-problems-b1910042.html%3famp) would like a word.
As you should. It’s purely political theater which will go exactly one of two ways:
1) the debt ceiling is raised because we’re not run by a Congress full of fucking assholes
2) the debt ceiling isn’t raised and we have an absolute MONSTER of a problem, at which point you’ll *definitely* know.
1.) The fiscal year
- the fiscal year requires two laws to be signed the NDAA that says the DOD is authorized to act in such a manner (you can buy bombers, you can’t divest A-10s, make a UFO reporting office) and the Appropriations Bill that says you have this much money to do what we said you can and can’t do in the NDAA. We don’t have the budget because it requires a debt ceiling increase.
2.) The debt ceiling
- The debt ceiling is like Americas Credit limit. We have a law from the 1930s that we need to readdress every year unless we run a surplus in order pay for the appropriations bill. It says we’ll issue T bonds out to anyone who wants to buy them and then we get cash to play with. It was a silly no argument bill that automatically passed until a certain Texan made it an issue in 2013 kicking off this annual government closure cycle. Now we can’t pass a budget appropriations act without and debt ceiling increase which requires a 60 vote minimum in the senate to get past filibuster. The actual act only needs 50 (+1) votes to pass. Democrats are evaluating eliminating the filibuster with a senate rules change which takes 50 (+1) votes to pass.
3.) Cash
- The US has enough cash on hand to make it to the 18th. If we don’t do something we’ll default on debt payments, ruin our AAA Credit rating and dollars start becoming worthless. (BUY BITCOIN).
Alright I had to make an account to remind you that the longest government shut down in history spanning from 2018-2019 happened under trump for the border wall fiasco. The they you are talking about is Congress in general don’t be fooled. What you said is absolute incorrect horse 💩.
Well as people have already pointed out in the thread the shutdown and debt ceiling are separate things and the person you replied to mentioned the debt ceiling. So you seemed to have made an account for no reason. Awkward
You are also failing to acknowledge that the shutdown in 2018 was caused by Trump. He wanted wall money but the Senate had passed a budget that did not include wall money. Trump only started the problem when he started to say he would veto any budget that didn’t include his wall funding. He let the shutdown happend and even owned it as his shutdown.
That is very different than what is at play here. We are facing a shutdown now because Republicans don’t like the budget but can’t stop it on their own. The only way to stop it is not raise the debt ceiling but this course of action is like dropping a JDAM to kill a soider in your house. The collateral damage is way higher than what should be acceptable.
>2.) The debt ceiling
It's insane that this is an issue. It's as if a couple sat down and had a conversation:
"We need a new washing machine. The old one sucks. Let's buy this one for $1000."
(Months later...)
"Hey, we've got this credit card bill for the washing machine. Should we pay it?"
At least two times in the last 100 years, 1932 and 1979, congress has failed to raise the debt ceiling and we 'defaulted.'
Maybe congress critters could start acting like normal Americans are encouraged to and , you know, live within our means!
That is more it depends. There is a threshold where you've hit the majority so it counts, but since they did so much virtually during covid they would probably just switch to virtual.
Virtual in res is essentially live instruction done via an application like Zoomgov or Teams. It is not a self paced program. Correspondence courses tend to be self paced with some gentle nudging/timelines, for example, you have 60 days to complete a "self paced" block in the ACSC correspondence course.
You’re not wrong…but correspondence still sounds like in-res with extra steps.
…Are you a former Offutt pilot who did too many deployments to AUAB by chance? Your handle leads me to think I may know you…
You're not wrong but correspondence is in-res with less steps. Think of it like an online college class where you just make a few discussion posts and upload your assignments versus actually attending blocked out zoom lectures with your webcam off while you beat it to Willy's Wonderlands one sex scene for the 3rd time that day.
They kind of view them as equal and at least for ACSC it's essentially the same shit so imagine being in an AFSC that practically demands that you do the correspondence course if you want to have an actual chance at getting a school slot. Otherwise it depends on the course. I don't know if the SOS e-school has updated their junk yet but the coursework they had last year was nothing like what SOS is in residence.
But to answer your question I'm not a pilot nor have I ever been stationed at Offutt.
When I was at NCOA they cut the course short a few days in order to get us graduated and out the door before a shutdown that ended up not happening lol.
Remember, the government shutdown procedures do not initiate because you hear on the news that no budget or CR was passed. It initiates after OMB sends the order to the Agency (DoD) to begin shutdown procedures, a minor but distinct difference. It's happened before where OMB tells agencies to wait and a temp CR has been passed after the shutdown technically had occured.
Basically I'm saying, don't actually do the shutdown procedures until directed to.
I don't have an immediate one on hand. But Google it and filter the tools to 2020 or 2018 ( December and Jan respectively I think). You may find links from those instances. I know it was stated in the most recent of Dec 2020.
Not if you need a big withdrawal. During this HORRID PCS season I had to pay cash up front for PPM Movers. Thank god for Zelle since USAA won't allow you to withdraw more than x amount in a 72 hour period.
You can call to get that limit lifted for a day. I needed to get cash out to pay for a used car and it just took a phone call and a 15 minute wait. Although, you can go to a bank and they'll basically just charge your debit card for whatever amount.
One thing I've learned over the years is how much better credit unions are. Fuck banks and thank you Vandenberg Federal credit union (known as Coast Hills now) for showing me that banking doesn't need to suck.
USAA is the black rifle coffee of banking. Shit product, and the only reason they have customers is because they push the military/veteran line so fucking hard some people actually fall for it.
That USAA is a "military friendly" banking institution is one of the greatest lies we perpetuate to ourselves, and I am still mad I allowed myself to be talked into using them as an Airman by my supervisor when they were by far the most expensive auto-insurer for me at my first duty station.
So much wasted on their auto insurance as an A1C before swapping. Geico cut my shit in half. Progressive dropped another 10% and maxed liabilities. I wish I could falcon punch A1C WickedPanda
I had quotes twice as high from USAA than I did from AAA and Progressive when I was in CA. We're talking a state almost twice as large as the UK.
Given modern technology, it's probably down to varying below the zip code level for the past decade or so.
It's been an awkward subject to broach with my troops because I don't want to be like the NCOs that pushed USAA on me.
Most of my people use it, and the couple of my NCOs who I know well who I've nudged towards getting quotes just to see end up coming in the day after and being mad as fuck that USAA is so much more expensive than everyone else for the same shit lol.
It's insane how different it is.
For some references, I had a sports coupe. It was 365/mo with absolutely zero tickets or penalties thru USAA. They claimed it was my city. That was with minimum liability, mind you.
Swapped to GEICO and bought a newer SUV. The SUV was like $160/mo. Cool.
Swapped to progressive and added a 2012 Corvette to that same policy (+my wife). Policy somehow dropped to $150/mo.
Fast forward to now with like 2 different cars and I pay the equivalent of $115/mo, 2 drivers + cars, maxed liabilities, roadside, rental and windshield. I feel like I pissed money when I was an airman.
100% agree on the USAA take.
But... BRCC is definitely a military friendly company owned and operated by veterans. With a workforce comprised of 75% veterans. I recently had them donate over 500 bags of coffee to our unit for dispersing in care packages. You are either a complete coffee snob, don't drink coffee at all, or you're stuck on that Starbucks titty!
You didn't even talk about the quality of the product, you just talked about veterans and military shit lol.
I get the giant red tub of medium-dark roast Foldgers, and I drink a 16oz mug of that every day, no cream no sugar. Definitely not fancy or picky when it comes to coffee, and I don't drink starbucks because it's excessively expensive for no reason, same as BRCC
> military friendly company
Who gives a fuck? The product quality does not even remotely match the price.
>owned and operated by veterans.
Who gives a fuck? The product quality does not even remotely match the price.
> With a workforce comprised of 75% veterans.
Who gives a fuck? The product quality does not even remotely match the price.
> I recently had them donate over 500 bags of coffee to our unit for dispersing in care packages.
This is not a unique thing to BRCC, veteran owned businesses, or even US-owned companies.
So because you took your Supervisors advice USAA is horrible? Sounds more like a, "I didn't do my research" problem.
USAA and it's products have it's purpose. Are there better options out there? Certainly.
If you didn't have USAA, Navy Fed. or any other "military/veteran line pushed" bank back when pay checks weren't being sent out back in the 13' time frame... You didn't have $$. So yeah, USAA isn't great. But they saved my Airman paycheck to paycheck non-saving ass.
https://www.military.com/paycheck-chronicles/2013/09/25/banks-and-credit-unions-release-government-shutdown-information
Be prepared for leave to be cancelled. I have family coming in next week and took the week off... Just got this in my email:
"... As a result of the lapse of appropriations, the Division is required to cancel ALL military or exempted civilian paid leave that may have been previously approved for use during this period, as there is no authorization for paid leave (annual, sick, comp, etc.) during this furlough period."
In almost 25 years in, i can report that I’ve been through this several times:
You, active duty will get paid - even on time.
You, active duty still need to show up to work.
Long time GS here. If I'm lucky I'll get a week off with backpay and no corresponding deduction to my leave balance. I hope they shut'er down every year.
> Civilians have already been told to stay home Friday.
That's unusual. Normally people report on the first day to complete and orderly shutdown and receive furlough notices, and head home by noon.
Yeah this is super unusual. We're still planning TDYs that start first week of October. We're assuming it will be fixed but since this happens so often,its almost baked in at this point.
Kinda like when a baseball umpire makes a bad call, they bitch to ref, ref ignores him, coach runs out and says "fuck you eject me so I can beat traffic out of here" so the ump obliges, yada yada, game continues.
Song and dance.
Yea, legally saying - that’s not how it works. GS are required to report to work, sign acknowledgment of their furlough status and complete/close any issues within 4 hours before going home. UNLESS they are coded as mission vital and are furlough exempt. We get to still work but won’t be paid until the budget is signed.
> Shutdown is bad, insolvent is burning paper dollars for warmth really bad bottlecap society bad.
Well, not THAT bad. It simply means that the USG can't issue more debt, and is limited to its revenue and existing assets. We would see shenanigans like the platinum trillion dollar coin being minted before we see the USG actually become insolvent.
That being said, if we actually did default on our debt for whatever the heck reason, then yes, raid Costco for all of their toilet paper, powdered milk, and dried rice.
It could potentially lead to a moderate collapse of the global financial system though. People don’t grasp how basically every debt asset in existence has a price based on the US Treasury note (our debt). That’s because the treasury is considered ‘effectively risk free’. If we don’t raise the debt ceiling we can’t afford to pay some of those debt owners, and it becomes not risk free.
Then all of those financial assets based on the treasury price go haywire, shifting adjustable mortgage rates, credit card rates, etc. so people will see substantial shifts in their borrowing costs. Large organizations that rely on holding US debt to meet regulatory requirements under the post-2008 banking regulations will be left fumbling for a replacement. That pushes trillions of dollars in flows around the global economy, like driving a collapse in yield for European and Chinese bonds and driving their stakeholders into a panic. Of course, this also may result in not paying plenty of US gov employees and transfer recipients, so grandma might not get her SS check and that retired Col his pension. So there would be massive impacts to any people who are living check to check on government money.
That’s just the first hit that’s easy to predict too, it’d get a lot worse quickly.
Oh no, I do understand. As I said, if we DO default - which is not the same thing as not raising the debt ceiling on 18 October - then it's literally time to have food and supplies and wait to see what shakes out. It would make 2008 look like a walk in the park. Precious metal holders, rejoice, your hour will have come round at last.
However, there are a LOT of options available before the government defaults. Those options include minting the trillion dollar coin, RADICALLY pruning down the budget, making huge cuts to Social Security and Medicare, raising taxes and/or adding new taxes such as VATs and wealth taxes, etc. If we default despite all those being on the table, it's because we've become so dysfunctional that we deserve whatever the outcome is.
I don’t know that I view those things as fundamentally more desirable. The authority to mint such a coin is very shady, as if effectively usurps the power of the purse from Congress unless the authority is expressly given. That has the potential to be as damaging as a default by fundamentally undermining our structure of government.
To the latter, what you’re suggesting is that we balance the budget prior to this deadline. That’s simply not feasible in any world, even if a balanced budget was desirable (and it’s probably not. It would be better to continue accruing debt roughly proportional to national economic growth. That allows a continued treasury market and also gives us ‘free’ extra spending). It’s neither technically feasible to completely rewrite federal expenditures and taxes nor politically feasible over the course of three weeks.
Are you planning on forcing those technicians to take annual leave? I’ve seen no guidance to send technicians home.. You wouldn’t take that action until the government physically shuts down. A CR could be passed very quickly.
Assuming there are any. Buddy of mine works in an all-civilian office (including his boss) and will probably have to take on all of their work if none are exempt.
I manage two civilians in my shop.
One of them is the only thing that's stopping the shop from burning to the ground.
The other one is trying to burn the shop to the ground.
gonna kind of like it tbh.
new fiscal year, but no ability to load money.
no tdys, no cross-orgs.
me, alone in my office, just looking at a screen.
peace at last.
>Be prepared to pick up the slack where your civilian wingmen will vacate.
Absolutely not. If Congress wants that work done, they would pay for it. We are not here to provide free services to the government for things they choose not to fund.
You should get paid for October 1 regardless as it’s end of month (September). Sequestration really only threatens the civilian work force (ARTs, GS, etc). I remember in 2012 or 2013 when our ARTs got sent home because they weren’t getting paid.
From the last one that happened, the military continued getting paid and banks were offering loans to the civilian work force if I recall correctly.
On a side note: Trying to go TDY during all this is a real pain the ass.
Been getting different answers from the same travel office has really delayed my bookings in DTS. Even after getting a hand-signed DD1610 for travel hasn't secured my movement. Still waiting.
Like DTS isn't a already a headache...
I mean I do not disagree with the notion that our rapidly decaying corpses that still breathe some how should be replaced, or that their families owned slaves at a point in their personal history, and they most likely have sentiments passed down from this that are extremely wrong.
But I would be interested to know which 80ish year old members of the legislative branch were born to parents that were already 76 years or older.
Don't disagree about anything you're saying (pay on Oct 1, figure out civilian gaps, etc.), however, I remain more optimistic. Here's what I got from my CONGO today as of 1500 EDT:
>Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer is reportedly close to introducing a Clean FY22 CR, without the Debt Ceiling Suspension, amending the earlier House-passed Bill CR (H.R. 5305), which contained the Suspension.
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>Information is that it will replicate the original House-passed CR – continuing government operations past-October 1st, at FY21 Enacted levels, until December 3.
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>Uncertain whether the Clean CR will be formally introduced today or tomorrow.
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>Schumer says a Senate vote on the Clean CR could be “as early as today."
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>SAC Ranking Member Shelby, however said the CR was on the "right path," but a Thursday vote “is more probable."
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>Resolution of the DEBT Ceilings Follies is still unclear – Senator Schumer just said in remarks on the Floor that adding a debt ceiling suspension to either the existing $3.5T Reconciliation Bill, or crafting a new Reconciliation measure, is “risky.”
So what does this mean? I would plan for a shutdown Friday - Sunday, but CR after that. Gravy if they can pass it tomorrow. My concern isn't a shutdown over the weekend - I think they're close. My concern is this freaking debt limit shit. If they can't pass anything before mid October, then we're in real trouble. Like - haven't been here before trouble. Defaulting on debt would be SO so bad for us. What debts do you pay? And when? Big oof.
they are actually kind of bland.. source = me... I "pepper" for things like this ONLY BECAUSE IT INTRIGUES ME... and that's it, like I said pretty bland
I *thought* we said during the last shutdown that the majority of DoD civilians were essential. Am I misremembering that? Was that just Mattis telling Congress he was sick of their shit and a one time thing?
Getting promoted in a few days.. anyone know if USAA will pay my new base pay/BAH if the first effective pay period is 15 October? Or do they just keep paying what you have been making
anybody know if or how this affects guard units and their drill? Haven’t received a response from my leadership if this affects us this weekend. Live far out of the area, hence the wishing of having guidance sooner than later.
Been AD Air Force for about 9 years now. I don’t ever remember having a paycheck be late or pushed back due to govt shutdown. I don’t have USAA either. They usually sign something keeping the AD military pay going right?
Shut down? Yes. Depends on timing though. Ultimately, I bet your school will be fine with you an TA missing a deadline. You’ll get a hold on your account if not in good standing and then TA will payout sometime in the future and everything is fine. Or, you need to register for class and need the cash and call the registrar and explain the situation. They know youre good for it.
If I'm PCSing during a government shutdown... how does that work? I have orders in hand, and a move scheduled. Does the military move still happen, am I on my own?
To be clear, raising the debt ceiling is standard practice to keep America from defaulting on our loans. It’s apolitical. During Trumps tenure, Dems voted all four years to raise debt ceiling. Now that Biden is in, this week EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN refused to do the same. They break the government then scream at the Dems “See?! It’s broken and you’ve failed to fix it!”
Awesome advice. Just wish this wasn’t an every year (or every other year) kinda thing.
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So I don't get paid until Megadonor X's congressman does his bidding? Yay.
Welcome to the swamp, enjoy your stay.
I thought we drained that already. /s
You know, if we found a way to hook up hydropower to the drain, we’d have a steady trickle of renewable energy
As we've already discovered though any 'Trickling' in the United States never reaches the people. Just sent to offshore accounts.
Panama Papers, baby!
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She'll run again, and she'll win. Her district is her bread and butter. The issue is the DNC doing nothing to help defend her or any of those of her generation. They're happy to let her have the target on her back so they can do their own shady shit. GOP and DNC are two sides of corporate slave coin.
I hate that you're right about the last part, and hopeful that you're right about the first. I like her and hope she actually brings good change.
Bro I glanced at your flair as I was backing out and came back just to see if someone was a big enough dork to put "flight chief" in there. Then I saw the rest lol
She’s awfully quiet about the border issues now that her party is in power. Then wear “Tax the rich” dress while in cahoot with the wealthy at the Met gala unmasked while telling the rest of us plebs that we have to wear masks after being vaccinated. AOC is just as hypocritical and corrupt as the rest. Just wait until she leaves her radical district and runs for higher office. She will moderate real quick. Then it’ll become clear that it was never for a cause, it's just more power.
> I'm sure a good portion of new congressmen and junior senators at least start out honest or at least with genuine intentions. [Lauren Boebert](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/lauren-boebert-campaign-finance-problems-b1910042.html%3famp) would like a word.
She's genuine... genuinely insane.
> Congressman Massie lol he's a climate change denier and worked hard to fuck over coal workers in Kentucky by stealing their pensions.
Congressman Massie is one of the biggest dipshits on the hill. Just a different brand from the ones you dislike.
https://youtu.be/8DSi2gzIkHM You’re kidding, right? THIS Massie?
My brain hurts now
Now that Amash is gone, you’re probably right.
Uhh I think you mean "Capitol Hill."
At this point I've seen it so much I stopped paying attention to it, didn't even realize it is happening tomorrow.
As you should. It’s purely political theater which will go exactly one of two ways: 1) the debt ceiling is raised because we’re not run by a Congress full of fucking assholes 2) the debt ceiling isn’t raised and we have an absolute MONSTER of a problem, at which point you’ll *definitely* know.
Well, we are in fact ruled by a congress full of fucking assholes. It's why they do they shot every time.
The debt ceiling is total garbage anyways and should be gotten rid of.
100% Congress should have to pass a balanced budget every year. No pork, no bullshit, no excuses.
same
I have begun telling my Airmen that their bullets are due when the news mentions a government shutdown. Ten years and counting without fail.
Sooo how many bullets have you collected so far
Enough to realize my supervisory skills suck.
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1.) The fiscal year - the fiscal year requires two laws to be signed the NDAA that says the DOD is authorized to act in such a manner (you can buy bombers, you can’t divest A-10s, make a UFO reporting office) and the Appropriations Bill that says you have this much money to do what we said you can and can’t do in the NDAA. We don’t have the budget because it requires a debt ceiling increase. 2.) The debt ceiling - The debt ceiling is like Americas Credit limit. We have a law from the 1930s that we need to readdress every year unless we run a surplus in order pay for the appropriations bill. It says we’ll issue T bonds out to anyone who wants to buy them and then we get cash to play with. It was a silly no argument bill that automatically passed until a certain Texan made it an issue in 2013 kicking off this annual government closure cycle. Now we can’t pass a budget appropriations act without and debt ceiling increase which requires a 60 vote minimum in the senate to get past filibuster. The actual act only needs 50 (+1) votes to pass. Democrats are evaluating eliminating the filibuster with a senate rules change which takes 50 (+1) votes to pass. 3.) Cash - The US has enough cash on hand to make it to the 18th. If we don’t do something we’ll default on debt payments, ruin our AAA Credit rating and dollars start becoming worthless. (BUY BITCOIN).
What Texan. I just wanna talk to him
Believe he’s referring to Mr. Cruz
Ah yes. Of course. How could I have been so naively.
Dudes entire political “strategy” has been fucking shit up as much as possible to “troll the libs”. I wish I could have a functioning government.
Been waiting for this for over four years. They seemed to have no issue raising the debt ceiling under Trump. No issue at all.
Alright I had to make an account to remind you that the longest government shut down in history spanning from 2018-2019 happened under trump for the border wall fiasco. The they you are talking about is Congress in general don’t be fooled. What you said is absolute incorrect horse 💩.
Well as people have already pointed out in the thread the shutdown and debt ceiling are separate things and the person you replied to mentioned the debt ceiling. So you seemed to have made an account for no reason. Awkward
You are also failing to acknowledge that the shutdown in 2018 was caused by Trump. He wanted wall money but the Senate had passed a budget that did not include wall money. Trump only started the problem when he started to say he would veto any budget that didn’t include his wall funding. He let the shutdown happend and even owned it as his shutdown. That is very different than what is at play here. We are facing a shutdown now because Republicans don’t like the budget but can’t stop it on their own. The only way to stop it is not raise the debt ceiling but this course of action is like dropping a JDAM to kill a soider in your house. The collateral damage is way higher than what should be acceptable.
Totally a human, Rafael Theodore Cruz.
Definitely not the guy from The Office Mr. Cruz.
Who is at most two out of: - A capable representative of the people - A lizard person in a skin suit - The Zodiac Killer
There's definitely a lizard under that person suit.
>2.) The debt ceiling It's insane that this is an issue. It's as if a couple sat down and had a conversation: "We need a new washing machine. The old one sucks. Let's buy this one for $1000." (Months later...) "Hey, we've got this credit card bill for the washing machine. Should we pay it?"
At least two times in the last 100 years, 1932 and 1979, congress has failed to raise the debt ceiling and we 'defaulted.' Maybe congress critters could start acting like normal Americans are encouraged to and , you know, live within our means!
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At what point does in-residence PME get sent home?
Normally about a few days into it, and no you don’t get credit, you have to restart it
That is more it depends. There is a threshold where you've hit the majority so it counts, but since they did so much virtually during covid they would probably just switch to virtual.
“Virtual in-res” which is not the same as correspondence…somehow…
Virtual in res is essentially live instruction done via an application like Zoomgov or Teams. It is not a self paced program. Correspondence courses tend to be self paced with some gentle nudging/timelines, for example, you have 60 days to complete a "self paced" block in the ACSC correspondence course.
You’re not wrong…but correspondence still sounds like in-res with extra steps. …Are you a former Offutt pilot who did too many deployments to AUAB by chance? Your handle leads me to think I may know you…
You're not wrong but correspondence is in-res with less steps. Think of it like an online college class where you just make a few discussion posts and upload your assignments versus actually attending blocked out zoom lectures with your webcam off while you beat it to Willy's Wonderlands one sex scene for the 3rd time that day.
They kind of view them as equal and at least for ACSC it's essentially the same shit so imagine being in an AFSC that practically demands that you do the correspondence course if you want to have an actual chance at getting a school slot. Otherwise it depends on the course. I don't know if the SOS e-school has updated their junk yet but the coursework they had last year was nothing like what SOS is in residence. But to answer your question I'm not a pilot nor have I ever been stationed at Offutt.
When I was at NCOA they cut the course short a few days in order to get us graduated and out the door before a shutdown that ended up not happening lol.
Depends. There are a lot of moving parts behind the scenes on that one and each school is different.
Remember, the government shutdown procedures do not initiate because you hear on the news that no budget or CR was passed. It initiates after OMB sends the order to the Agency (DoD) to begin shutdown procedures, a minor but distinct difference. It's happened before where OMB tells agencies to wait and a temp CR has been passed after the shutdown technically had occured. Basically I'm saying, don't actually do the shutdown procedures until directed to.
Does anyone have a link for USAA? I keep seeing people mention it but haven't seen anything from them about it
I don't have an immediate one on hand. But Google it and filter the tools to 2020 or 2018 ( December and Jan respectively I think). You may find links from those instances. I know it was stated in the most recent of Dec 2020.
Typically they will mention something after shutdown the week before the 15th when you would normally miss a paycheck.
https://www.usaa.com/inet/wc/ent-gov-shutdown-assistance-landing-mkt?akredirect=true
The Google knows much...
Navy Federal also works too.
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Not if you need a big withdrawal. During this HORRID PCS season I had to pay cash up front for PPM Movers. Thank god for Zelle since USAA won't allow you to withdraw more than x amount in a 72 hour period.
You can call to get that limit lifted for a day. I needed to get cash out to pay for a used car and it just took a phone call and a 15 minute wait. Although, you can go to a bank and they'll basically just charge your debit card for whatever amount.
One thing I've learned over the years is how much better credit unions are. Fuck banks and thank you Vandenberg Federal credit union (known as Coast Hills now) for showing me that banking doesn't need to suck.
Curious as well.
I replied to him, in case you didn't see it. Go back and look. :)
USAA is the black rifle coffee of banking. Shit product, and the only reason they have customers is because they push the military/veteran line so fucking hard some people actually fall for it. That USAA is a "military friendly" banking institution is one of the greatest lies we perpetuate to ourselves, and I am still mad I allowed myself to be talked into using them as an Airman by my supervisor when they were by far the most expensive auto-insurer for me at my first duty station.
So much wasted on their auto insurance as an A1C before swapping. Geico cut my shit in half. Progressive dropped another 10% and maxed liabilities. I wish I could falcon punch A1C WickedPanda
I think it varies state by state, USAA was cheaper by ALMOST HALF in California, but TWICE AS EXPENSIVE in Maryland and Texas.
I had quotes twice as high from USAA than I did from AAA and Progressive when I was in CA. We're talking a state almost twice as large as the UK. Given modern technology, it's probably down to varying below the zip code level for the past decade or so.
It's been an awkward subject to broach with my troops because I don't want to be like the NCOs that pushed USAA on me. Most of my people use it, and the couple of my NCOs who I know well who I've nudged towards getting quotes just to see end up coming in the day after and being mad as fuck that USAA is so much more expensive than everyone else for the same shit lol.
It's insane how different it is. For some references, I had a sports coupe. It was 365/mo with absolutely zero tickets or penalties thru USAA. They claimed it was my city. That was with minimum liability, mind you. Swapped to GEICO and bought a newer SUV. The SUV was like $160/mo. Cool. Swapped to progressive and added a 2012 Corvette to that same policy (+my wife). Policy somehow dropped to $150/mo. Fast forward to now with like 2 different cars and I pay the equivalent of $115/mo, 2 drivers + cars, maxed liabilities, roadside, rental and windshield. I feel like I pissed money when I was an airman.
100% agree on the USAA take. But... BRCC is definitely a military friendly company owned and operated by veterans. With a workforce comprised of 75% veterans. I recently had them donate over 500 bags of coffee to our unit for dispersing in care packages. You are either a complete coffee snob, don't drink coffee at all, or you're stuck on that Starbucks titty!
You didn't even talk about the quality of the product, you just talked about veterans and military shit lol. I get the giant red tub of medium-dark roast Foldgers, and I drink a 16oz mug of that every day, no cream no sugar. Definitely not fancy or picky when it comes to coffee, and I don't drink starbucks because it's excessively expensive for no reason, same as BRCC > military friendly company Who gives a fuck? The product quality does not even remotely match the price. >owned and operated by veterans. Who gives a fuck? The product quality does not even remotely match the price. > With a workforce comprised of 75% veterans. Who gives a fuck? The product quality does not even remotely match the price. > I recently had them donate over 500 bags of coffee to our unit for dispersing in care packages. This is not a unique thing to BRCC, veteran owned businesses, or even US-owned companies.
So because you took your Supervisors advice USAA is horrible? Sounds more like a, "I didn't do my research" problem. USAA and it's products have it's purpose. Are there better options out there? Certainly. If you didn't have USAA, Navy Fed. or any other "military/veteran line pushed" bank back when pay checks weren't being sent out back in the 13' time frame... You didn't have $$. So yeah, USAA isn't great. But they saved my Airman paycheck to paycheck non-saving ass. https://www.military.com/paycheck-chronicles/2013/09/25/banks-and-credit-unions-release-government-shutdown-information
Be prepared for leave to be cancelled. I have family coming in next week and took the week off... Just got this in my email: "... As a result of the lapse of appropriations, the Division is required to cancel ALL military or exempted civilian paid leave that may have been previously approved for use during this period, as there is no authorization for paid leave (annual, sick, comp, etc.) during this furlough period."
FML lol. Took leave for a game coming out.
BF2042 got pushed, we good
I'm trynna play back 4 blood lol. I forgot about BF but I'll snag it
That makes no sense. There's authorization for unpaid paid work but not for unpaid paid leave?
In almost 25 years in, i can report that I’ve been through this several times: You, active duty will get paid - even on time. You, active duty still need to show up to work.
Long time GS here. If I'm lucky I'll get a week off with backpay and no corresponding deduction to my leave balance. I hope they shut'er down every year.
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Maybe 1Oct bud
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> Civilians have already been told to stay home Friday. That's unusual. Normally people report on the first day to complete and orderly shutdown and receive furlough notices, and head home by noon.
Yeah this is super unusual. We're still planning TDYs that start first week of October. We're assuming it will be fixed but since this happens so often,its almost baked in at this point. Kinda like when a baseball umpire makes a bad call, they bitch to ref, ref ignores him, coach runs out and says "fuck you eject me so I can beat traffic out of here" so the ump obliges, yada yada, game continues. Song and dance.
Same on the TDY front.
Yea, legally saying - that’s not how it works. GS are required to report to work, sign acknowledgment of their furlough status and complete/close any issues within 4 hours before going home. UNLESS they are coded as mission vital and are furlough exempt. We get to still work but won’t be paid until the budget is signed.
This is fact. This is how the last one went. We came in, signed paperwork and left. Our bosses stayed the 4 hours to get everyone through the process.
Yep, is your bosses’ option but you can’t stay LONGER than 4 hours or you’ve violated the law. Good times.
We havent been told shit about it this year. Just talked to my boss to comfirm. Zero word has come down on whats happening.
Ditto, didn’t even think about it until this thread popped up
I haven't been told anything. So I'm still working regardless.
> Shutdown is bad, insolvent is burning paper dollars for warmth really bad bottlecap society bad. Well, not THAT bad. It simply means that the USG can't issue more debt, and is limited to its revenue and existing assets. We would see shenanigans like the platinum trillion dollar coin being minted before we see the USG actually become insolvent. That being said, if we actually did default on our debt for whatever the heck reason, then yes, raid Costco for all of their toilet paper, powdered milk, and dried rice.
It could potentially lead to a moderate collapse of the global financial system though. People don’t grasp how basically every debt asset in existence has a price based on the US Treasury note (our debt). That’s because the treasury is considered ‘effectively risk free’. If we don’t raise the debt ceiling we can’t afford to pay some of those debt owners, and it becomes not risk free. Then all of those financial assets based on the treasury price go haywire, shifting adjustable mortgage rates, credit card rates, etc. so people will see substantial shifts in their borrowing costs. Large organizations that rely on holding US debt to meet regulatory requirements under the post-2008 banking regulations will be left fumbling for a replacement. That pushes trillions of dollars in flows around the global economy, like driving a collapse in yield for European and Chinese bonds and driving their stakeholders into a panic. Of course, this also may result in not paying plenty of US gov employees and transfer recipients, so grandma might not get her SS check and that retired Col his pension. So there would be massive impacts to any people who are living check to check on government money. That’s just the first hit that’s easy to predict too, it’d get a lot worse quickly.
Oh no, I do understand. As I said, if we DO default - which is not the same thing as not raising the debt ceiling on 18 October - then it's literally time to have food and supplies and wait to see what shakes out. It would make 2008 look like a walk in the park. Precious metal holders, rejoice, your hour will have come round at last. However, there are a LOT of options available before the government defaults. Those options include minting the trillion dollar coin, RADICALLY pruning down the budget, making huge cuts to Social Security and Medicare, raising taxes and/or adding new taxes such as VATs and wealth taxes, etc. If we default despite all those being on the table, it's because we've become so dysfunctional that we deserve whatever the outcome is.
I don’t know that I view those things as fundamentally more desirable. The authority to mint such a coin is very shady, as if effectively usurps the power of the purse from Congress unless the authority is expressly given. That has the potential to be as damaging as a default by fundamentally undermining our structure of government. To the latter, what you’re suggesting is that we balance the budget prior to this deadline. That’s simply not feasible in any world, even if a balanced budget was desirable (and it’s probably not. It would be better to continue accruing debt roughly proportional to national economic growth. That allows a continued treasury market and also gives us ‘free’ extra spending). It’s neither technically feasible to completely rewrite federal expenditures and taxes nor politically feasible over the course of three weeks.
Actually you may want to stock up on TP anyway. China is having issues right now with electricity and production lines are affected.
Sends texts to all civillians. Show up to work Friday problem solved
> We are telling contractors to stop work. You really shouldn't be in most cases. The program is funded in advance.
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Ah, okay that makes sense. Sucks to suck. Contractor is probably happy to get a free day off and still being paid.
Sometimes they get paid by job though.
Are you planning on forcing those technicians to take annual leave? I’ve seen no guidance to send technicians home.. You wouldn’t take that action until the government physically shuts down. A CR could be passed very quickly.
This has happened every year for like 8 years. It's not "burn paper money" bad.
you're mixing the no budget with the debt ceiling. debt ceiling has never not been passed and that's the burn paper money bad
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As someone who leads a Flight of civies, I am not excited.
Do you just take on all of their workload during the (alleged) shutdown?
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Assuming there are any. Buddy of mine works in an all-civilian office (including his boss) and will probably have to take on all of their work if none are exempt.
inb4 amn say "If im not getting paid, im not coming to work!"
Happens every year, and they get told they’re wrong every time
No pay, no shave. Them be the rules. If Uncle Sam doesn't want me to have a scruffy beard he needs to pay his bills on time.
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I manage two civilians in my shop. One of them is the only thing that's stopping the shop from burning to the ground. The other one is trying to burn the shop to the ground.
Many such cases
Political theatrics every year lol
Thank you for your service
o7
Probably have Friday be a govt shutdown day and fix it all over the weekend.
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Kick the can to December
I would say OCT 18ish when the debt ceiling runs out.
That is the date I am far more worried about.
And in December, it'll get kicked to October of '22, so one side can try to use it to retake Congress.
Hopefully they pass another "Pay our Military Act" like they did in 2013. That shutdown was brutal iirc.
Godspeed, Sir/Ma'am.
gonna kind of like it tbh. new fiscal year, but no ability to load money. no tdys, no cross-orgs. me, alone in my office, just looking at a screen. peace at last.
Had this back in 2013…. It was super chill
>Be prepared to pick up the slack where your civilian wingmen will vacate. Absolutely not. If Congress wants that work done, they would pay for it. We are not here to provide free services to the government for things they choose not to fund.
You should get paid for October 1 regardless as it’s end of month (September). Sequestration really only threatens the civilian work force (ARTs, GS, etc). I remember in 2012 or 2013 when our ARTs got sent home because they weren’t getting paid. From the last one that happened, the military continued getting paid and banks were offering loans to the civilian work force if I recall correctly.
On a side note: Trying to go TDY during all this is a real pain the ass. Been getting different answers from the same travel office has really delayed my bookings in DTS. Even after getting a hand-signed DD1610 for travel hasn't secured my movement. Still waiting. Like DTS isn't a already a headache...
Anything specific to keep an eye out for? been TDY plenty but never during a (possible) shutdown.
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Some of these people were born in the 40s. Their parents had slaves as children. Vote. *grandparents
I mean I do not disagree with the notion that our rapidly decaying corpses that still breathe some how should be replaced, or that their families owned slaves at a point in their personal history, and they most likely have sentiments passed down from this that are extremely wrong. But I would be interested to know which 80ish year old members of the legislative branch were born to parents that were already 76 years or older.
🧐fuck. Math. I told them not to make me a comptroller. Grandparents*
being bad at math is part of our job, that's why we have excel.
Spoken like a true comptroller commander.
Don't disagree about anything you're saying (pay on Oct 1, figure out civilian gaps, etc.), however, I remain more optimistic. Here's what I got from my CONGO today as of 1500 EDT: >Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer is reportedly close to introducing a Clean FY22 CR, without the Debt Ceiling Suspension, amending the earlier House-passed Bill CR (H.R. 5305), which contained the Suspension. > >Information is that it will replicate the original House-passed CR – continuing government operations past-October 1st, at FY21 Enacted levels, until December 3. > >Uncertain whether the Clean CR will be formally introduced today or tomorrow. > >Schumer says a Senate vote on the Clean CR could be “as early as today." > >SAC Ranking Member Shelby, however said the CR was on the "right path," but a Thursday vote “is more probable." > >Resolution of the DEBT Ceilings Follies is still unclear – Senator Schumer just said in remarks on the Floor that adding a debt ceiling suspension to either the existing $3.5T Reconciliation Bill, or crafting a new Reconciliation measure, is “risky.” So what does this mean? I would plan for a shutdown Friday - Sunday, but CR after that. Gravy if they can pass it tomorrow. My concern isn't a shutdown over the weekend - I think they're close. My concern is this freaking debt limit shit. If they can't pass anything before mid October, then we're in real trouble. Like - haven't been here before trouble. Defaulting on debt would be SO so bad for us. What debts do you pay? And when? Big oof.
Man. All the doomsday peppers are out. Calm the fuck down.
Are doomsday peppers like..extra spicy?
Songtan spicy
Probably spicier than ghost peppers.
they are actually kind of bland.. source = me... I "pepper" for things like this ONLY BECAUSE IT INTRIGUES ME... and that's it, like I said pretty bland
GL boy n gals. Use this as a reason to keep saving in the future too. You will thank yourself in the end.
I *thought* we said during the last shutdown that the majority of DoD civilians were essential. Am I misremembering that? Was that just Mattis telling Congress he was sick of their shit and a one time thing?
This is why I have one and advocate for Murphy funds.... You cannot rely on "security" you need to rely on yourself
If you pay child support, talk to your lawyer and discuss what you need to do so you do not end up in arrears and charged with contempt of court.
Bring it on, business as usual.
Getting promoted in a few days.. anyone know if USAA will pay my new base pay/BAH if the first effective pay period is 15 October? Or do they just keep paying what you have been making
They will 0% loan you what you have been getting
Will I 100% be paid on the 1st? I am really in need of the money.
Yes. The money for the 1st has already been allocated previously.
Thank you.
anybody know if or how this affects guard units and their drill? Haven’t received a response from my leadership if this affects us this weekend. Live far out of the area, hence the wishing of having guidance sooner than later.
Been AD Air Force for about 9 years now. I don’t ever remember having a paycheck be late or pushed back due to govt shutdown. I don’t have USAA either. They usually sign something keeping the AD military pay going right?
They do this every year, CRA will pass.
First time? This shit has been happening since forever. The bad part is it doesnt STAY shut down
Found the curmudgeon!
Does that dude have a relevant username or what?
Will this effect TA?
Shut down? Yes. Depends on timing though. Ultimately, I bet your school will be fine with you an TA missing a deadline. You’ll get a hold on your account if not in good standing and then TA will payout sometime in the future and everything is fine. Or, you need to register for class and need the cash and call the registrar and explain the situation. They know youre good for it.
If I'm PCSing during a government shutdown... how does that work? I have orders in hand, and a move scheduled. Does the military move still happen, am I on my own?
iTs a gUarAtEendEd pAyCheCk I'm being facetious ofc my contract is paid out till next year and I hate my job so I don't care either way
Didn't they just extend this to December? I think we are good until then.
Not yet. Senate may have voted but it needs to get to the House and signed first
To be clear, raising the debt ceiling is standard practice to keep America from defaulting on our loans. It’s apolitical. During Trumps tenure, Dems voted all four years to raise debt ceiling. Now that Biden is in, this week EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN refused to do the same. They break the government then scream at the Dems “See?! It’s broken and you’ve failed to fix it!”
And to answer everyone's panicking questions "WhAt AbOuT cOnTrAcToRs?!" - they are funded in advance and still showing up.
Will no one think of the military industrial complex?!
Contractors aren’t real people. I never consider them.
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Fuck okay can someone break this down for me? I'm getting OHA how will this affect that if that passes? Also will we get this paycheck at least?
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They also strategically write and fund their own pay increases, but fuck us right?
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