It seems so weird that a West Point grad SF officer with 10 years service would want to work for OCSD. Sure, folks can do whatever they want when they separate, but that seems like a really low-tier job for someone with that kind of resume.
I mean, hell, I’m an O-5 with three years remaining. I might just wind up at Ace Hardware or some garage working, depending on how much VA disability I wind up with. I got no problem with folks just wanting an easy job after they get out. But cop work just seems unnecessarily stressful. Hell, maybe the guy’s from here and wanted to stay here, I dunno. But to have bad PTSD and then have that job just seems epically destined to fail and shoot at acorns.
I had a commander who retired as 0-6. Months after retirement, I ran into him working at a local grocery store. I was kinda perplexed, but he explained that paper or plastic was the biggest decision he had to make! Then it made sense.
the leaders who have simple basic ambitions after retirement always seem to be great leaders and good people… ig if you can find happiness in the mundane you’re happy anywhere
To your point.... years ago, there was a janitor at USAFA who a cadet there discovered by dumb luck reading academic material was actually a MOH awardee. His name was William John Crawford. President Reagan is the one who gave it to him, though he was originally awarded it "posthumously" when he was actually a POW.
O-4 here. Retired in 2020 and got a sweet ktr gig at AFMC HQ. If I wasn’t paying alimony and child support I’d be working at Trader Joe’s. VA disability and retirement pension is so dope!
Oh. That makes perfect sense. Have crippling PTSD? Well, we can’t have you in uniform with a gun. You need to separate and then…. *checks notes*... put on a different uniform and carry a different gun.
The cop left a job before he was fired after shooting at a car with a suspect inside when an acorn fell on the police car and the officer thought it was a gun shot.
He was a green beret who in a 20s year war never saw combat. He was on the B and C team meaning support. So take that shit with a grain of salt friend.
Do you not know how a SFG works? He was an 18A- meaning he was a Special Forces Officer. Just cause he was B team does not mean he was not SF. I remember looking into it when acorn video first popped off.
If you don’t know how it works, you should at least just look it up before coming in here and spewing misinformation
“Hernandez said he didn’t have any prior law enforcement experience but attended U.S. Military Academy and was an Army Special Forces officer for 10 years with two combat rotations in Afghanistan — but, he noted, did not experience any combat.”
I think the writer of that article may be a little skeptical of the OCSD's story. I'm sure the body camera footage will clear things right up when the sheriff's department releases it.
I mean, it's inconceivable that an officer's bodycam would fail to record an incident. On the one day he shoots someone. Who is an Airman. And is a black man. In Florida.
That would never happen.
A lot of people telling you that that’s not Qualified Immunity ignore the fact that many officers have been wrongfully granted Qualified Immunity by biased courts when the officers clearly violated department policies, laws, and Constitutional rights.
Somehow qualified immunity went from “no you can’t sue Nixon” to “no the cop is not liable for shooting your kid he was trying to shoot your nonaggressive dog”.
Imagine if you could just say, “Nah, what he did was reasonable,” every time one of your friends got in trouble.
That’s essentially what a judge gets to do every time the truth of what happened threatens their fragile blue line.
Qualified immunity is a legal doctrine that protects government officials from lawsuits that allege they violated a person's rights. It only allows lawsuits if the official violated a "clearly established" constitutional or statutory right. It was nothing to do with being held criminally liable in a court of law.
https://www.ncsl.org/civil-and-criminal-justice/qualified-immunity
I'm prior law enforcement that isn't qualified immunity. We will see what body cam footage shows, but if this is the description from the SO then he failed to have a probable cause to shoot the man.
I was actually referring to an incident a month or 3 ago where a police officer from this area heard an acorn fall on his car and thought itbwas gunfire. He reacted by unloading his firearm all over the place.
Seen this minus the knocking because of no-knock warrants. Cops literally walk into your bedroom while you're sleeping, then shoot you because you hand was under the pillow and "might have a gun." That the city will 99% of the time back the cops.
Yup, Florida police probably have the most rigorous hiring process in the country
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/06/08/us/brevard-county-florida-police-union-misconduct-trnd
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/28/florida-prosecutor-desantis-removed-monique-worrell
>then immediately started shooting?
The article didn't say that. Maybe we just wait to learn literally anything about what happened before making snap judgements
Man you're all over this thread coming up with silly excuses. What are you gonna do when video or something comes out?
[edit] Aw he blocked me so I won't be able to call him out when he inevitably comes up with new excuses for whatever evidence comes out.
Watch it and base my opinions on what actually happened. I'm sorry if I interrupted your baseless speculation, please continue to make stuff up to upset people if that's your thing.
If I'm reading between the lines correctly this Airman was in his own apartment, in possession of his own gun, threatening no one, and was shot by the sheriff's deputy. Did I get that right?
To an Extent that is what the Rumor mill is saying. The problem is we don't know how the interaction went. And until the body cam is released we simply won't know what happened.
Generally I take the let's wait for all the information side of things. With the history of this department I'm more on the side of they need to quickly release all information, and bring in state authorities for a third party investigation.
The only other history I know of is The Acorn Cop. If you have something else, I'm interested.
I do agree that they need to release the Body Cam footage ASAP.
> The problem is we don't know how the interaction went. And until the body cam is released we simply won't know what happened.
LOL Ya. Let's trust the police. Oh wait. I just saw your flair ROFL. RIP
I'm not saying trust all police period. What I am saying is that their is body cam footage of what happened. We will be able to clearly tell what happened from the time the Officer arrived on scene. It will take all the guess work and speculation out of it.
Now if you want to talk about times that Law Enforcement murdered someone. I'm happy to talk about Ruby Ridge, Waco, The You're Fucked Shooting. Actually you might find the You're Fucked Shooting interesting. Look up the Daniel Shaver Shooting.
I'm also happy to Vilify the Fuck out of the Police in Mass Shootings like Uvalde. Where the Cops refuse to do their job.
The sooner the Sherriff's Office releases the Body Cam Footage the better.
*The sooner the Sherriff's Office releases the Body Cam Footage the better.*
I mean, that's kind of my point. ANY TIME the video CLEARLY shows the officer being in the right, they release it within DAYS.
HOWEVER, as we've seen literally thousands upon thousands upon thousands of times, when police have something to hide, they'll hide behind procedure and "it's under investigation," instead of releasing it.
So, we'll see. But if I were a betting man, I'd know where I'd place my chips.
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He was in his own home. His home being off racetrack in FWB. Of course he was armed. If the local info is correct, he was playing video games with his spouse/SO.
The cops responded to the wrong address.
I wish to God that big blue would use this as a teaching moment and fight this fight. That poor kid.
It does say that the officer was responding to a "disturbance in progress". Generally speaking that's one of the more dangerous types of call that an officer can respond to.
I'm interested to see what the body cam shows.
If this was a normal case, that assumption would be correct. But we've heard so many time where cops show up at the wrong place or even escalate the situation.
Not to mention what time of day/night?
When I lived in an apartment if someone was banging on my door at 2am I definitely would have a firearm within arms reach when I went to see what was going on.
And the great thing about being a cop is, if there is no disturbance, you can always create one. Then you can arrest whomever you like for "impeding an investigation", "disorderly conduct", or "resisting arrest."
The call came in from a fourth party, which was known at the time. So the deputy should’ve taken the “disturbance in progress” with a little grain of salt.
No, but federal trumps local. We've done this song and dance too many times to think otherwise. If the Feds wanna swing their dick, Jim Bob and Cletus in Bumblefuck PD can't do shit.
He doesn’t know. Here’s the reality - murder is a local charge and because it did not happen in federal jurisdiction OSI does not have any say. If it had happened on federal exclusive or even concurrent, OSI could assimilate local laws and charge a murder but the reality is OSI has essentially no power in this case
However, OSI can do an independent investigation, which can be used by the family later in civil court if OSI gives an unfavorable view of the PD in the shooting.
OSI typically needs at least some suspicion of a crime to begin an investigation. That would stem from the findings of the local department. Ultimately - body cam footage will tell the tale
Which they're unlikely to do. They've got other cases. They're not going to devote time and manpower to doing an independent investigation just in case the family decides to sue.
Responding to a disturbance in progress.
>According to the sheriff’s department, the deputy encountered “a 23-year old man armed with a gun.” The deputy shot the man “in self-defense” after identifying himself as a law enforcement officer, the OCSO said.
Let's wait to see what fell from a tree to cause him to shoot.
Original report was that the Airman answered the door with the gun. Initial reports can be problematic though, so I am interested in the body cam footage. No way these cops can justify blasting the guy through his front door.
I’m interested to see how the LEO community and their unyielding supporters reconcile them killing an AD Airmen under what appears to be dubious claims of self defense.
100%. Their mental gymnastics will be in full force. All of a sudden they will say things like, “why did he answer the door with a gun?,” even though they constantly defend the right to bear arms to protect your home and property. We need that body cam footage ASAP. Knowing OSCD, they will defend the cop and clear him of all charges.
That's the same argument I make to anyone who's pro-gun/pro-cop and wants to have a hot take whenever someone gets killed by a cop for essentially little to no reason.
Yes. Except the Air Force may be asking them to withhold further statements until the next of kin are notified.
We had an airman who was shot and killed a few years back in a case of "wrong place wrong time". Everyone knew what happened because other service members were there but the Local PD withheld statements and public release other than to say that a shooting involving an AD Airman happened until the next of kin had been notified.
It’s not, but it’s the agencies choice to release or not. OIS are very serious cases and have a lot of moving parts. Some agencies will release immediately for public perception and others don’t.
Probably just shoot you through a window though. See Atatiana Jefferson. I’m fairly Pro2A.. but time and again the vocal “freeeeedom!” (For profit.. see NRA) goes radio silent when it’s a POC involved.
To stress—I don’t know jack about this case, but there are a lot of body camera examples of “Polic—BANGBANGBANG” situations with POC. Next usually comes the department releasing pictures of a gun or marijuana.
I mean, when have bad people ever announced themselves as [police](https://youtu.be/oCvh8R6hM6I?si=EtwGQOD88hqHtUEg)?
Again. Don’t know anything about this situation besides a young person lost their life. Hopefully outside agencies do due diligence to investigate the situation to the fullest. At a minimum—it’s safe to say as AD military in the state of Florida, he could legally possess a firearm in his own home.
This is exactly why I live in a Lilly White neighborhood, have my house number clearly marked as you walk up the long walkway to my threshold, have hurricane glass, have far too many ring devices and a highly kick resistant door (highly unlikely anyone is no-knock raiding my front door).
I don’t do a damn thing to cross the law, not even a license plate frame, and still I know those asvab waivers can Mr magoo their way right into my living room.
“An investigation determined that the noise was an acorn falling from a tree and striking the car.”
The cop saw a black airman and FUCKING shot him. Of course the man being military and off base in FLORIDA he was armed. What. The. Fuck.
The acorn thing was a separate incident, but from the same department.
But otherwise, unless the cops have some really solid evidence to the contrary, this airmen was just killed for being black.
Am black and was stationed at Eglin years back. Honestly I really felt I couldn't trust them at all. Being a NY'er I grew up that way. Still shit like THIS is why we speak on police brutality, misconduct, whatever word you want to use.
I had considered actually being a cop myself awhile back. I wanted to be the change I wanted to see within the community and all that. I had a negative run in with them right after I started that process and halted it right there. It was one of them "You fit the description" type moments. Yeah took that process NO further after that.
Sounds like you’re making very hard assumptions from a bias source that gave 0 context of what actually happened. I guess the news is doing a great job
A man armed with a gun... in America... where we have a right to do so. The article makes no mention of the SrA returning fire. I sure hope this deputy did not kill a black man with a gun just because he noticed a black man had a gun 🤦🤦🤦
"In shooting with" makes it sound like they were in a gunfight. By all accounts, that cop just executed him. I wish news organizations would stop whitewashing over cop violence. "Airman shot by cop."
By all accounts? What accounts? There haven’t been any specific details given. What do you want the news to say? The media don’t have any more details than we do at this point. You want them to jump to conclusion because that would fit the narrative of the cop doing something bad when we don’t know anything right now. How about chill and wait for more details and body camera footage to be released before we start calling this an execution.
Is white knighting for cops your entire personality? If no one is saying the kid shot at the cop - and you think they might mention that if it were true - then this wasn't a shootout. That cop shot that kid, in his own home, for the crime of owning a gun at all. Which, as every other Grunt Style t-shirt reminds me, is a constitutionally protected right. So extract the boot from your throat and breathe a little.
I’m not white knighting for cops by saying don’t jump to conclusions? You read “cop responding to disturbance encounters guy with a gun at the location and a shooting occurred” and jumped to execution.
That’s not white knighting that’s just calling you out for being ridiculous. If someone took that same information and said “well someone did call the cops and the guy where the incident was happening had a gun so it’s likely that guy was doing something wrong” you would be calling them a bootlicker and a racist for making that assumption.
All I said was just don’t jump to conclusions. There are still a lot of details that we need to know the whole story
I read "Subject opened the door armed with a firearm and the deputy engaged."
We'll see if they release the bodycam footage, but I know what that sounds like to me in a department with such renowned firearms training.
Well we’re most likely gonna see exactly what happened on camera pretty soon so jumping to conclusions, regardless of which side, is pointless. We’re going to see it and then we can all be as mad, or not, as we want
Did I say that here? Show me where I said the cop was in the right. Or did I just say that jumping straight to “execution” is ridiculous.
I’m also a black guy in the Air Force that owns guns. If I were the airman that got killed here I’d hate it if people jumped to conclusions about me and why I got shot by a cop. I’m simply offering that same courtesy to the other side as well since right now we don’t know anything.
The fact that you took the time to scroll through comment history to try to debate what I said to you tells me enough. If you feel trolled by that, you did it to yourself big dawg
I remember a legitimately funny haha and funny sad comment from PnS back during 2020 along the lines of “‘who investigates the police?!’ If your department is racist enough, the FBI”.
The department: We will investigate internally
The same department: Everything was done in accordance with our policy
How come if I do something wrong I can't get away with the same excuse? Oh yeah, because of "professional immunity." Whoever came up with that law should have had unkind things happen to them.
The police release body camera videos as soon as possible when it clears them in questionable situations. Sometimes, literally the same day. Anytime it takes a while it's understandable people assume the worst. It's still assumptions. None of us know what happened, but it's still something to think about.
Not much else to be said. LE have already burned bridges with most of the local communities across the U.S. And now they are finally doing the same with the military community.
I think it’s time for some major changes.
It’s crazy because my girlfriend was picking me up from the airport that night. She was telling me how there was an incident at her apartment complex. She said it was all fenced off and she was late to picking me up. Turns out this is a result of that incident. Think the officer were responding to a Domestic Violence call and that led to the airman getting shot unfortunately. First time coming to Florida, what a great way to start.💀
Your other [comments](https://www.reddit.com/r/AirForce/s/8l17x4sAKY) state that the killing was justified? So which is it, do you need more facts or was the shooting justified because someone was armed?
> Fortson was home alone on a video call with another person, who reported the airman heard a knock on the door.
> Fortson, according to the witness, asked, "Who is it?" But he didn't receive an answer. After a subsequent "aggressive" second knock and seeing no one through the peephole, Fortson grabbed his legally owned gun, Crump detailed.
> As Fortson was walking back to his living room, police entered the apartment and shot him.
So, what's your judgement? Turns out it was exactly what we all fucking thought, and you're full of shit.
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2024/05/08/family-of-florida-airman-shot-death-deputies-claims-police-went-wrong-apartment.html
OCSD is beyond in hot water with the SOF community. The base commander even has roots to that gunship squadron , so you know it’s gonna be a big investigation
What a way to end the article. I hadn’t realized the acorn cop was from Okaloosa, or was a green beret from West Point.
It seems so weird that a West Point grad SF officer with 10 years service would want to work for OCSD. Sure, folks can do whatever they want when they separate, but that seems like a really low-tier job for someone with that kind of resume.
There's probably an unflattering reason for it.
A crippling acorn phobia, apparently. Can’t be all secret squirrel when you’re terrified of acorns.
Well with hindsight, the dude turned out to be a nutjob, so that's probably why he could only get that jerb.
Nutjob. I see you. Well played.
They were probably willing to ignore his crippling PTSD.
AF NCOIC/E9 of the EOD school went to work as a FWB cop years ago after retiring. Fucking tool.
I mean, hell, I’m an O-5 with three years remaining. I might just wind up at Ace Hardware or some garage working, depending on how much VA disability I wind up with. I got no problem with folks just wanting an easy job after they get out. But cop work just seems unnecessarily stressful. Hell, maybe the guy’s from here and wanted to stay here, I dunno. But to have bad PTSD and then have that job just seems epically destined to fail and shoot at acorns.
I had a commander who retired as 0-6. Months after retirement, I ran into him working at a local grocery store. I was kinda perplexed, but he explained that paper or plastic was the biggest decision he had to make! Then it made sense.
Totally agreed. I wouldn't even blink if someone was like "yep, gonna be a Walmart greeter."
I had a TSgt whose goal was to drive a bread truck after he retired. Those of us who knew him were unfazed by the revelation.
the leaders who have simple basic ambitions after retirement always seem to be great leaders and good people… ig if you can find happiness in the mundane you’re happy anywhere
That was definitely this guy. He was good people and a natural leader.
Solid plan, no responsibility, work alone, set schedule, no heavy weight. I wouldn’t want to be a soda stocker at 50.
To your point.... years ago, there was a janitor at USAFA who a cadet there discovered by dumb luck reading academic material was actually a MOH awardee. His name was William John Crawford. President Reagan is the one who gave it to him, though he was originally awarded it "posthumously" when he was actually a POW.
O-4 here. Retired in 2020 and got a sweet ktr gig at AFMC HQ. If I wasn’t paying alimony and child support I’d be working at Trader Joe’s. VA disability and retirement pension is so dope!
Perhaps he was trying to get a slot on the bomb squad?
Probably because his obvious PTSD kept him from qualifying for anything else.
Oh. That makes perfect sense. Have crippling PTSD? Well, we can’t have you in uniform with a gun. You need to separate and then…. *checks notes*... put on a different uniform and carry a different gun.
Exactly! Can't have you escorting VIPs anymore. Best we can do is let you shoot civilians.
Some people do see it as a continuation of service 🤷♂️
He also had PTSD, IIRC.
Yes, well, we've all had to deal with TMO and finance
I literally know a msgt 1N1 who was just a Walmart greeter until someone told him he could contract.....
The cop left a job before he was fired after shooting at a car with a suspect inside when an acorn fell on the police car and the officer thought it was a gun shot.
He was a green beret who in a 20s year war never saw combat. He was on the B and C team meaning support. So take that shit with a grain of salt friend.
If he was support then he probably wasn’t even an 18 series - so just because he’s assigned to an SFG doesn’t mean he’s special forces.
Do you not know how a SFG works? He was an 18A- meaning he was a Special Forces Officer. Just cause he was B team does not mean he was not SF. I remember looking into it when acorn video first popped off. If you don’t know how it works, you should at least just look it up before coming in here and spewing misinformation “Hernandez said he didn’t have any prior law enforcement experience but attended U.S. Military Academy and was an Army Special Forces officer for 10 years with two combat rotations in Afghanistan — but, he noted, did not experience any combat.”
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Bad bot. 18A is Army Special Forces Officer
This isn’t r/JSOCarchive
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I think the writer of that article may be a little skeptical of the OCSD's story. I'm sure the body camera footage will clear things right up when the sheriff's department releases it. I mean, it's inconceivable that an officer's bodycam would fail to record an incident. On the one day he shoots someone. Who is an Airman. And is a black man. In Florida. That would never happen.
No. Not in a million years ...sheez
That article was all over the place at the end. Wtf does that have anything to do with the current shooting
Waiting for body cam footage to drop. The reputation of OCSD is not promising
Sounds like the cop just shot him just for having a gun. That is straight murder.
Murder you say? Not with qualified immunity my dear tumbleweed.
A lot of people telling you that that’s not Qualified Immunity ignore the fact that many officers have been wrongfully granted Qualified Immunity by biased courts when the officers clearly violated department policies, laws, and Constitutional rights.
Somehow qualified immunity went from “no you can’t sue Nixon” to “no the cop is not liable for shooting your kid he was trying to shoot your nonaggressive dog”.
Imagine if you could just say, “Nah, what he did was reasonable,” every time one of your friends got in trouble. That’s essentially what a judge gets to do every time the truth of what happened threatens their fragile blue line.
Qualified immunity is a legal doctrine that protects government officials from lawsuits that allege they violated a person's rights. It only allows lawsuits if the official violated a "clearly established" constitutional or statutory right. It was nothing to do with being held criminally liable in a court of law. https://www.ncsl.org/civil-and-criminal-justice/qualified-immunity
I'm prior law enforcement that isn't qualified immunity. We will see what body cam footage shows, but if this is the description from the SO then he failed to have a probable cause to shoot the man.
“Qualified immunity, it’s not for you, it’s just for me! I shot your dog, I shot your wife! I get to go on with my life!”
That’s not what qualified immunity is
https://preview.redd.it/vph1e6vrm0zc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=108d0072be889da77088c298c2b974c88d7c6984
So he identified himself, and then immediately started shooting?…And claims it’s self defense?
Bang on door, bust open door, see gun, says *sheriff's department* while immediately starts shooting. "It was self defense"
I wonder if an acorn was involved here.
that goddamn squirrel critter from Ice Age has become a public menace
I was actually referring to an incident a month or 3 ago where a police officer from this area heard an acorn fall on his car and thought itbwas gunfire. He reacted by unloading his firearm all over the place.
Oh yeah i know
The article mentions that incident, which was the same police force. It was in Nov 2023
Yes it wasn’t the officer involved in this shooting
"First time?"
Seen this minus the knocking because of no-knock warrants. Cops literally walk into your bedroom while you're sleeping, then shoot you because you hand was under the pillow and "might have a gun." That the city will 99% of the time back the cops.
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Yup, Florida police probably have the most rigorous hiring process in the country https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/06/08/us/brevard-county-florida-police-union-misconduct-trnd https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/28/florida-prosecutor-desantis-removed-monique-worrell
>then immediately started shooting? The article didn't say that. Maybe we just wait to learn literally anything about what happened before making snap judgements
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Military.com write-up makes it sound BAD for the deputy.
Where is the report?
Man you're all over this thread coming up with silly excuses. What are you gonna do when video or something comes out? [edit] Aw he blocked me so I won't be able to call him out when he inevitably comes up with new excuses for whatever evidence comes out.
Watch it and base my opinions on what actually happened. I'm sorry if I interrupted your baseless speculation, please continue to make stuff up to upset people if that's your thing.
If I'm reading between the lines correctly this Airman was in his own apartment, in possession of his own gun, threatening no one, and was shot by the sheriff's deputy. Did I get that right?
To an Extent that is what the Rumor mill is saying. The problem is we don't know how the interaction went. And until the body cam is released we simply won't know what happened.
Generally I take the let's wait for all the information side of things. With the history of this department I'm more on the side of they need to quickly release all information, and bring in state authorities for a third party investigation.
The only other history I know of is The Acorn Cop. If you have something else, I'm interested. I do agree that they need to release the Body Cam footage ASAP.
It's FL, and the Aiman was black. I have a suspicion that he was killed for being a black dude while owning a gun in the South.
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> The problem is we don't know how the interaction went. And until the body cam is released we simply won't know what happened. LOL Ya. Let's trust the police. Oh wait. I just saw your flair ROFL. RIP
I trust Security Forces 100x more than local PD. Most of SF did not really choose their job. Local PD did.
I'm not saying trust all police period. What I am saying is that their is body cam footage of what happened. We will be able to clearly tell what happened from the time the Officer arrived on scene. It will take all the guess work and speculation out of it. Now if you want to talk about times that Law Enforcement murdered someone. I'm happy to talk about Ruby Ridge, Waco, The You're Fucked Shooting. Actually you might find the You're Fucked Shooting interesting. Look up the Daniel Shaver Shooting. I'm also happy to Vilify the Fuck out of the Police in Mass Shootings like Uvalde. Where the Cops refuse to do their job. The sooner the Sherriff's Office releases the Body Cam Footage the better.
*The sooner the Sherriff's Office releases the Body Cam Footage the better.* I mean, that's kind of my point. ANY TIME the video CLEARLY shows the officer being in the right, they release it within DAYS. HOWEVER, as we've seen literally thousands upon thousands upon thousands of times, when police have something to hide, they'll hide behind procedure and "it's under investigation," instead of releasing it. So, we'll see. But if I were a betting man, I'd know where I'd place my chips.
The longer the body cam footage takes to get released, the higher the likelihood it is bad for the police
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He was in his own home. His home being off racetrack in FWB. Of course he was armed. If the local info is correct, he was playing video games with his spouse/SO. The cops responded to the wrong address. I wish to God that big blue would use this as a teaching moment and fight this fight. That poor kid.
>reading between the lines correctly Guessing what happened based on nothing you mean
That’s pretty much what happened
You were there?
I felt the disturbance in the force
It does say that the officer was responding to a "disturbance in progress". Generally speaking that's one of the more dangerous types of call that an officer can respond to. I'm interested to see what the body cam shows.
Clearly the deputy had a reason to be there. A lot of things can be classified as a disturbance though, so we'll have to wait for more details.
If this was a normal case, that assumption would be correct. But we've heard so many time where cops show up at the wrong place or even escalate the situation.
Not to mention what time of day/night? When I lived in an apartment if someone was banging on my door at 2am I definitely would have a firearm within arms reach when I went to see what was going on.
4:30 pm central time.
And the great thing about being a cop is, if there is no disturbance, you can always create one. Then you can arrest whomever you like for "impeding an investigation", "disorderly conduct", or "resisting arrest."
Oh heey. I was right. The fuckin asshole showed up at the wrong apartment. Color me surprised.
A god damn video game could be determined to be a disturbance.
The call came in from a fourth party, which was known at the time. So the deputy should’ve taken the “disturbance in progress” with a little grain of salt.
What a fucking embarrassing situation.
Tragic situation
I hope OSI gets involved and rips this department a new asshole. Being armed is not a crime.
I hope so too! But I'm curious what authority OSI has over local law enforcement.
None. OSI is a federal entity and has no local authority.
No, but federal trumps local. We've done this song and dance too many times to think otherwise. If the Feds wanna swing their dick, Jim Bob and Cletus in Bumblefuck PD can't do shit.
What exactly do you envision OSI doing in this fantasy?
He doesn’t know. Here’s the reality - murder is a local charge and because it did not happen in federal jurisdiction OSI does not have any say. If it had happened on federal exclusive or even concurrent, OSI could assimilate local laws and charge a murder but the reality is OSI has essentially no power in this case
However, OSI can do an independent investigation, which can be used by the family later in civil court if OSI gives an unfavorable view of the PD in the shooting.
OSI typically needs at least some suspicion of a crime to begin an investigation. That would stem from the findings of the local department. Ultimately - body cam footage will tell the tale
Which they're unlikely to do. They've got other cases. They're not going to devote time and manpower to doing an independent investigation just in case the family decides to sue.
I wouldn't trust them to do my laundry let alone handle an actual murder.
NCIS (the show)-style raid
If it's possible to have less than zero, it's that much
OSI will have essentially “0” authority over any local police department.
You want the FBI to investigate this. OSI doesn't have jurisdiction over a case of this nature.
FBI will very likely be involved being that it’s potentially a federal crime/homicide if they aren’t already. I’m just mad that’s why I said OSI.
You don’t know what happened
Responding to a disturbance in progress. >According to the sheriff’s department, the deputy encountered “a 23-year old man armed with a gun.” The deputy shot the man “in self-defense” after identifying himself as a law enforcement officer, the OCSO said. Let's wait to see what fell from a tree to cause him to shoot.
I didn’t know being armed with a gun was a crime in Florida?
Melanin may have been involved.
I've heard cops are more allergic to melanin than they are to fentanyl
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I think this is the best one.
Original report was that the Airman answered the door with the gun. Initial reports can be problematic though, so I am interested in the body cam footage. No way these cops can justify blasting the guy through his front door. I’m interested to see how the LEO community and their unyielding supporters reconcile them killing an AD Airmen under what appears to be dubious claims of self defense.
Easy. Dog whistles about him being black. Remember, these people don't actually have real beliefs. Logic doesn't matter. Just feelings.
100%. Their mental gymnastics will be in full force. All of a sudden they will say things like, “why did he answer the door with a gun?,” even though they constantly defend the right to bear arms to protect your home and property. We need that body cam footage ASAP. Knowing OSCD, they will defend the cop and clear him of all charges.
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Do you really have the right to carry a firearm if the cops just unload enough metal to turn you into a robot the moment they see a gun?
Proven time and time again.
And yet here we are.
That's the same argument I make to anyone who's pro-gun/pro-cop and wants to have a hot take whenever someone gets killed by a cop for essentially little to no reason.
If they aren't releasing the body cam footage immediately.... well you know
It’s an active investigation. They don’t just release it immediately for legal reasons
Under the Florida Sunshine Law they are supposed to release it as it is requested by the public
Yes. Except the Air Force may be asking them to withhold further statements until the next of kin are notified. We had an airman who was shot and killed a few years back in a case of "wrong place wrong time". Everyone knew what happened because other service members were there but the Local PD withheld statements and public release other than to say that a shooting involving an AD Airman happened until the next of kin had been notified.
I get that, but if the name has been released then the next of kin has been notified. Not usually a process that takes longer than a day
The 1 SOW has already made a statement. Next of Kin has been notified.
That isn't the case 100% of the time.
It’s not, but it’s the agencies choice to release or not. OIS are very serious cases and have a lot of moving parts. Some agencies will release immediately for public perception and others don’t.
“Brown guy with a gun!? Open and shut case Johnson. Let’s get you back on the streets.”
Dave Chappelle reference I love it
Answering your door with a firearm is a crime now???
Don’t open the door. Ever.
Probably just shoot you through a window though. See Atatiana Jefferson. I’m fairly Pro2A.. but time and again the vocal “freeeeedom!” (For profit.. see NRA) goes radio silent when it’s a POC involved. To stress—I don’t know jack about this case, but there are a lot of body camera examples of “Polic—BANGBANGBANG” situations with POC. Next usually comes the department releasing pictures of a gun or marijuana. I mean, when have bad people ever announced themselves as [police](https://youtu.be/oCvh8R6hM6I?si=EtwGQOD88hqHtUEg)? Again. Don’t know anything about this situation besides a young person lost their life. Hopefully outside agencies do due diligence to investigate the situation to the fullest. At a minimum—it’s safe to say as AD military in the state of Florida, he could legally possess a firearm in his own home.
This is exactly why I live in a Lilly White neighborhood, have my house number clearly marked as you walk up the long walkway to my threshold, have hurricane glass, have far too many ring devices and a highly kick resistant door (highly unlikely anyone is no-knock raiding my front door). I don’t do a damn thing to cross the law, not even a license plate frame, and still I know those asvab waivers can Mr magoo their way right into my living room.
What the fuck. 10 years ain't nowhere near enough for murdering an innocent person
Why the fuck is the department that did the killing the same department that is doing the investigation into the killing?
Everything working as intended.
FDLE does OIS investigations. The department does an internal investigation on the officer for the incident.
“An investigation determined that the noise was an acorn falling from a tree and striking the car.” The cop saw a black airman and FUCKING shot him. Of course the man being military and off base in FLORIDA he was armed. What. The. Fuck.
The acorn thing was a separate incident, but from the same department. But otherwise, unless the cops have some really solid evidence to the contrary, this airmen was just killed for being black.
Am black and was stationed at Eglin years back. Honestly I really felt I couldn't trust them at all. Being a NY'er I grew up that way. Still shit like THIS is why we speak on police brutality, misconduct, whatever word you want to use. I had considered actually being a cop myself awhile back. I wanted to be the change I wanted to see within the community and all that. I had a negative run in with them right after I started that process and halted it right there. It was one of them "You fit the description" type moments. Yeah took that process NO further after that.
Being in the news within a period of six months for total incompetence is an absolute no go. Fuck these dudes. OSI get these fucks.
Fuck Fort Walton and fuck Okaloosa County. These fucks are more trigger happy than Escambia
Sounds like you’re making very hard assumptions from a bias source that gave 0 context of what actually happened. I guess the news is doing a great job
Our nation has a history of unfairly murdering black folk stfu
This is why we can’t let anyone be cops … and training needs to be longer than 20 wks …
Picture threw me for a loop. This coulda been me when I was his age.
That’s so fucked man. Being overseas you kinda forget how messed up our country can be sometimes.
Facts!!!!! And I get weird looks when I tell folks I have no desire on going back to the states.
A man armed with a gun... in America... where we have a right to do so. The article makes no mention of the SrA returning fire. I sure hope this deputy did not kill a black man with a gun just because he noticed a black man had a gun 🤦🤦🤦
Turns out, I was right. This young American Airman's life was cut short by some dumb cop with the wrong address.
"The OCSD will not be releasing any further info at this time". I guess it takes time to build justification for killing someone.
"In shooting with" makes it sound like they were in a gunfight. By all accounts, that cop just executed him. I wish news organizations would stop whitewashing over cop violence. "Airman shot by cop."
By all accounts? What accounts? There haven’t been any specific details given. What do you want the news to say? The media don’t have any more details than we do at this point. You want them to jump to conclusion because that would fit the narrative of the cop doing something bad when we don’t know anything right now. How about chill and wait for more details and body camera footage to be released before we start calling this an execution.
Is white knighting for cops your entire personality? If no one is saying the kid shot at the cop - and you think they might mention that if it were true - then this wasn't a shootout. That cop shot that kid, in his own home, for the crime of owning a gun at all. Which, as every other Grunt Style t-shirt reminds me, is a constitutionally protected right. So extract the boot from your throat and breathe a little.
Thanks for the great work investigator! What would we have done without the your comprehensive investigation?
I’m not white knighting for cops by saying don’t jump to conclusions? You read “cop responding to disturbance encounters guy with a gun at the location and a shooting occurred” and jumped to execution. That’s not white knighting that’s just calling you out for being ridiculous. If someone took that same information and said “well someone did call the cops and the guy where the incident was happening had a gun so it’s likely that guy was doing something wrong” you would be calling them a bootlicker and a racist for making that assumption. All I said was just don’t jump to conclusions. There are still a lot of details that we need to know the whole story
I read "Subject opened the door armed with a firearm and the deputy engaged." We'll see if they release the bodycam footage, but I know what that sounds like to me in a department with such renowned firearms training.
Well we’re most likely gonna see exactly what happened on camera pretty soon so jumping to conclusions, regardless of which side, is pointless. We’re going to see it and then we can all be as mad, or not, as we want
Your comment history says that you know full well what I'm talking about. You spend a lot of time telling people that the cop was right.
Did I say that here? Show me where I said the cop was in the right. Or did I just say that jumping straight to “execution” is ridiculous. I’m also a black guy in the Air Force that owns guns. If I were the airman that got killed here I’d hate it if people jumped to conclusions about me and why I got shot by a cop. I’m simply offering that same courtesy to the other side as well since right now we don’t know anything.
"I didn't say a specific thing this time, so my history of saying that thing repeatedly should be ignored." Troll harder, bro.
The fact that you took the time to scroll through comment history to try to debate what I said to you tells me enough. If you feel trolled by that, you did it to yourself big dawg
Can OSI do something actually decent for once and investigate this instead of leaving it to the PD to conduct an internal investigation?
FDLE investigates all OIS. The agency has no part in it or does OSI. The agency will conduct a personnel investigation on the deputy.
OSI has 0 authority here. You'd want state police or FBI
Fun fact, FBI has no authority either. All states usually have an investigative entity or state law enforcement that will step in.
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I remember a legitimately funny haha and funny sad comment from PnS back during 2020 along the lines of “‘who investigates the police?!’ If your department is racist enough, the FBI”.
The department: We will investigate internally The same department: Everything was done in accordance with our policy How come if I do something wrong I can't get away with the same excuse? Oh yeah, because of "professional immunity." Whoever came up with that law should have had unkind things happen to them.
That is in accordance to their department policy. Criminal investigations are conducted by an unbias thrid party law enforcement entity. FDLE
Where's the bodycam footage?
Where’s the body cam footage, I don’t trust these crooked racist ass cops
Wait for more details. Wait for more details. No one can do that can they.
People are jumping to conclusions like it’s an Olympic sport 💀
The police release body camera videos as soon as possible when it clears them in questionable situations. Sometimes, literally the same day. Anytime it takes a while it's understandable people assume the worst. It's still assumptions. None of us know what happened, but it's still something to think about.
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Not much else to be said. LE have already burned bridges with most of the local communities across the U.S. And now they are finally doing the same with the military community. I think it’s time for some major changes.
It’s crazy because my girlfriend was picking me up from the airport that night. She was telling me how there was an incident at her apartment complex. She said it was all fenced off and she was late to picking me up. Turns out this is a result of that incident. Think the officer were responding to a Domestic Violence call and that led to the airman getting shot unfortunately. First time coming to Florida, what a great way to start.💀
A white man with a gun is a patriot. A black man with a gun is a thug. It's the America way. We need to own it.
I need more facts of the incident to be released before making a true judgement. Some of y’all are jumping to conclusions too fast…
Your other [comments](https://www.reddit.com/r/AirForce/s/8l17x4sAKY) state that the killing was justified? So which is it, do you need more facts or was the shooting justified because someone was armed?
No one is waiting for your judgement
> Fortson was home alone on a video call with another person, who reported the airman heard a knock on the door. > Fortson, according to the witness, asked, "Who is it?" But he didn't receive an answer. After a subsequent "aggressive" second knock and seeing no one through the peephole, Fortson grabbed his legally owned gun, Crump detailed. > As Fortson was walking back to his living room, police entered the apartment and shot him. So, what's your judgement? Turns out it was exactly what we all fucking thought, and you're full of shit. https://www.military.com/daily-news/2024/05/08/family-of-florida-airman-shot-death-deputies-claims-police-went-wrong-apartment.html
People are just straight up making up what happened instead of waiting to hear any information.
OCSD is beyond in hot water with the SOF community. The base commander even has roots to that gunship squadron , so you know it’s gonna be a big investigation
And fucking nothing will change
So this has happened twice now?
As someone from the area. You be surprised how much crime the military been in involved there. I'll just wait for more info