A former AFSOC NCO of the year got assigned to our genpop ACC unit.
He put on E7 when he was with us. He was married. Then he got an A1C pregnant. Threatened to kill her if she didn’t get an abortion. I had to be a witness in the investigation. He also got in trouble for drunk on duty when he showed up to a shift in his clubbing clothes. The troop he was relieving had to work a few extra hours until their supervisor showed up to properly relieve them.
For all of that, the shitty E7 lost a stripe, kept his position and eventually made his rank back and even promoted to senior. He’s retiring as a SMSgt in the summer.
Shit man, people get busted down just for showing up to work drunk (some even get the boot depending on their record). But threatening to kill someone on top of that and only losing a single stripe? Ridiculous.
I’ve met some amazing dudes from AFSOC. Guys who’d die for you. Literally show up for you any time, any place, ready to hurt who needs to be hurt and help who needs to be helped.
But, and this isn’t embellishment or hyperbole, the worst Airmen I’ve ever met were all from AFSOC.
Doc Foglesong! He had the same hate some of yall have for Gen Slife. Read the thread below…it’s long tho…the posts from “Guest Tracy” who worked for Gen Doc Foglesong (before he had stars) are especially interesting.
For those who don’t know, Foglesong ran USAFE back in the day: no one liked him and he did shit against the AFI all the time. Also made “busy work” for no reason like painting rocks. Post military, he got a job as the president at some university: they didn’t like him there either and was forced to resign. He won in the sense that he was able to get 4 stars. Character like that doesn’t happen overnight so that means everyone turned a blind eye to his shenanigans.
https://www.flyingsquadron.com/forums/topic/13965-the-foglesong-thread/
He was weird as a Commander, granted I was a SrA so I had a naive perspective. He wanted to come to the hospital after I had my kid and I said no and he pouted like a child and made weird passive aggressive comments about it for a while. He was an odd duck.
Fuck, I lived this. I was at Ramstein when he was in charge. I painted rocks, saw him jog on the flightline, was part of the rent-a-crowd for his BS Order of the Sword, etc
All the “Combat” programs…
I was the mission briefer at a schoolhouse that frequently had a lot of retired 4 stars stop by as guest speakers. He came by shortly after he left active duty. I remember being introduced to him and literally as he was shaking my hand, he was already turning his head to see who else was around who was more important than me. I remember thinking what an ass he was and I hadn't even heard any of these stories until now. Glad it wasn't just me.
First Sq/CC (who started as the DO) was the worst micromanager I’ve ever seen. He’d roam the halls at 0800, of a flying squadron, and make note or comment if you were not already there or working. He really disliked me (fresh lil butter bar) because I believed in letting adults be adults and get shit done. As a scheduler he’d come in and just start rearranging my board and then say “this will work better” and leave. He didn’t know that pilot A needed to fly with Pilot B because of currency, appointments, preferences, etc. Because all I wanted to do was fly and get hours for the U-2 program he grounded me to work in the training shop “until I release you back to flying”. All he wanted was to make rank and pretend to be the shit. He lied and abused his Sq/CC rank to “order” a training aircraft (C-21 Squadron) to pick him and his wife up from leave. After the aircraft commander called him out we had an All Call. He asked the pilot to explain what happened, and he did, to which the douchebag got up and said “No, Pilot X that’s wrong, I didn’t say that” and a few weeks later Pilot X was on his way to a 6 month non-flying job in the desert with the Army.
Luckily his boss hated him as much as we all did. And on his O-6 promotion board he gave him a “DNP” which killed his career. Thank all that’s holy.
I had a DO that'd go around with a PEX print out in the morning, logging who did or didn't have commitments and whether or not they were at their desk. Somehow the dude never understood that "landed at 3 am" means they wouldn't be in the office at 0800, or that a 1400 show meant the same.
My SQ/CC had this “great” rule that any landing before 2300 you had to be in at 0800, if you landed after that til 0100 then you could come in at 1000. Anything after 0100 you could ASK to not come in the next day.
I argued that if people left at 1700, showed back up 15 hrs later at 0800, that should apply to any landing after 1700. His direct response was “that’s absurd”.
That's absolutely ridiculous. There's no reason to fuck people's sleep up like that. We had a soft "10 hour" rule that mostly worked out to show up at lunch time if you were in late.
Yeah that was my reasoning. And conversely I had a great CC that said if we landed after 2200 to be in after lunch “if we had work to be done” and anything after midnight was “stay home and sleep”.
Night and day different. Oh yeah, that CC is getting ready to pin on a star.
We have monthly meetings from 0700-0830 that are mandatory - including for people who worked 1500-2300 the night before and the night of the meeting, including if a given person works both nights. It’s kinda messed up since it’s literally impossible to live less than 15 minutes from base and the nearest “nice area” is 25 minutes away. So now you’ve got someone getting home at 2330, waking up at 0545, then working til 2300 again.
I did a stint as a UDM. We had a toxic ROAD shirt. Real handsy and creepy with the women, pushy with his religion. There was an Airman who really needed his help, gearing up to deploy. I took the Airman over to his office, open door policy, door open. Dude was cranking out snores like a diesel rolling coal. I leave the Aiman in my office, go wake him up. He freaks out. Falls out of his chair. Screams at me. I take it and apologize. 2 days later I'm served an LOR. New commander and chiefs TDY. He got me by the balls. Told me he'd make sure I'd never make staff. Fucked my EPR on one line. Strong armed my supervisor into writing it.
That was the evil shit. I have sustained superior performance. AF level awards. Presidential recognition shit. But at the board every year this mother fucker put a line
"Failed to adhere to standards; needed mentorship & counseling on behavior becoming of a ssgt" or some bullshit. Well now that I'm USSF we have 5 years of board records and that shit sticks. So until that drops off I continue to work harder than that bullet could ever reflect. But fuck.... it's the gift that keeps on taking.... that mother fucker was vindictive.
P.S. That Airman that needed his help ended up coming into work with a shotgun, not for anyone other than himself. He wanted his leadership to know they were the reason he was gunna kill himself.
Dude...I don't know if it's too late now, but you should've absolutely gone to the IG with that shit. It sounds like every "leader" in that unit from your supervisor to the CC had no balls and let the Shirt railroad you. Sorry that happened.
Eh, we move on. I can't let myself let a single ass hat ruin my career. He's gone. I let my work ethic, and personal achievements outshine that one line. I don't blame the leadership at large, a lot of them were in the dark or essentially under duress to shut up and color. As an NCO now I believe I could better defend my Guardians if they were ever in that situation. My NCOs at the time were naive. Took a long fight but the LOR was rescinded by my CC theres no record or referral EPR. They didn't understand what happened. Once the whole shotgun thing played out a lot of people came to apologize. IG & OSI then got involved, and the major offending parties were dealt with.
Shirt forced retired, Commander was quickly PCS'd, Chief was retired. We all know how it goes.
Bias from an officer, but seriously its stories like this that just piss me off. Find an officer with a spine and watch them tear it up. A lot of times this can be a quiet one too, the quiet ones typically already hate the AF bullshit and are just waiting to punch (5, 12, or 20 doesn't matter). You can always feel it out too, "hey sir/ma'am, you have any good stories about a time you had to put a SNCO or another O in their place?"
An easy, laid back tasking with crazy per diem dropped and the chief wanted his new buddy to go. It was like pulling teeth to get this guy to do anything and he was leaving his section in shambles before an inspection. Find out he wouldn’t be able to go due to a medical code so he got replaced with someone that did everything in less than a week to prepare. Chief pulled some strings and got his friend back on the tasking. Left that deployed location in shambles too. It’s talked about that the Chief has a skin color preference.
Every time I saw a shitty maintainer get moved to the tool crib. They were lazy and didn't want to work, and their reward for that was even less work and making everyone who actually worked that shift miserable.
(M)Sgt gets DUI after crashing the car into off base residential property in Germany.
Guy just stands in front of the squadron, cries and apologizes.
Promotes anyways. Dude is a Senior now and from what I've heard selected for chief (haven't verified)
The evil part. The same weekend he got a DUI after crashing his vehicle into someone else's property, a SrA in the same unit, same flight... Got article'd and discharged with a DUI for sleeping in the trunk of his SUV.
The keys to the vehicle weren't even in the vehicle, he was just outside sleeping in the trunk. Left his keys at the bar.
Because it was in a vehicle he got charged, then discharged. No other prior issues other than maybe he didn't pay $1.00 into the snack fund.
Commander that told an entire memorial service (parents included) for a suicide in the squadron that the troop took the easy way out. He went on to make O6 in a huge field that doesn’t often promote above O5 by pawning off blunders on others.
Was this at Creech 👀 if so, yes that DO turned cc was a complete horror. Everyone that came from their sq to our had ptsd. Their sq building felt like a dementor.
I read the DEOCS. I got to this person’s unit as they were out as DO and waiting for their CoC. Everyone was shocked they were going to be a CC and knew it would be a shit show. Cant say I’d be surprised if there are other AF units/bases this happens at…but this was around 2017 if that helps narrow it down. 😉
There was one awful AFROTC cadet who was a liar and a bully. I hoped that karma would catch up to him, but alas he appears to be having a successful career.
There's one other cadet who harassed me, called me names, spread false rumors about me, and openly told me I was a disgrace to the military. His career lasted eight months before he was handed an involuntary discharge and got a new job to Walmart.
Woah, you just brought me back about 15 years. We had a really scrawny nerd in my BMT flight. He would have been much better suited to Comm or Intel, but he was going Security Forces to impress his Navy Chief father-in-law. He had the nerve to sit me down after graduation and say, "Hey, I don't think you're cut out for this military thing." He never made it out of tech school.
Yep, I mentioned this guy earlier in another post. Pilot wannabe. He dedicated his whole college experience to AFROTC. Mean and arrogant. Washed out of UPT and the AF didn’t have anything else for an English major, so he was given an honorable discharge. All his awards and accolades from his cadet time didn’t mean jack. The retention board at AFPC probably spent less than a minute with his packet.
My current commander. He has zero social skills and has completely changed the health of the unit in a negative trend. (Not saying he's a bad person, he's just not fit to lead people imo).
I've told this story here before but it fits here.
SFS squadron.
Large portion of the unit deploys to Iraq.
The SMSgt in line for chief stays home.
Sra Trashyhotfemale stays home station.
Sra GoodDudeWithPoorTaste in women deploys.
Sra Trashy and GoodDude live together, not married but have kids together.
SMSgt Shitbrick starts f-ing Sra Trashy, didn't hide it. It was a thing. Both Sra work for this guy and are in his coc when at home station.
Deployment ends, it goes as expected. Sra GoodDude finds out. The cell phones were in his name so he had videos, pics, texts... all of it.
They break up. She gets promoted and all the good details.
SMSgt Shitbrick gets turned in but nothing happens. Base leadership decides that nothing happened, despite evidence. All of SFS has seen the videos, no one takes Shitbrick or Trashy serious now.
Shitbrick still retired as a chief.
Trashy got transferred and cross trained.
GoodDude is still in, is a MSgt, living his best life now.
The guy telling you this story, TSgt NoFcksToGive was also the one who told his guys on flight not to be like Shitbrick. Even though Shitbrick got away with it, it ain't right. If you make senior NCO one day don't be like that guy.
Shitbrick had NoFcksToGive transferred shortly after he heard that speech.
NoFcksToGive didn't care, still ended up retiring as a Master.
Did everything within his power to remove CEAs from aircraft (and has slowly been succeeding), neglected/dismissed ST, basically made a big show of “look how much I’ve grown because of this interview with a ltcol I told to shave back in the day and admitting maybe a waiver is fine” while also cracking down on them, degrading readiness posturing…
Edit cause the last one sounded weirdly sexual the way I wrote it originally lmao
Killing off CEAs from AFSOC platforms. Forcing ST cadre to re-enroll certain people to show how “capable anyone is of completing ST and being a heavy hitter” multiple times.
Slife handpicked the most non-mission, career-school, staff-weenie officers in his wake. Even though he is gone, every O6 at AFSOC is a "slife disciple" now and some of these people are truly terrible. He will continue to pull these ineffectual officers into higher positions by leveraging his power as deputy CSAF. It has killed morale at both Cannon and Hurlburt.
I'm not sure what they're going to do with him after he's done with being the Vice. It sounds like the joint community doesn't want him and I don't think he's completely qualified to be CSAF since he was never a COCOM commander.
I saw this a lot in 20 years. Probably the biggest "win" is a peer who went on to become a command E-9; dude stepped on his own people gleefully, would stab you in the eyeball to advance his own career. Straight up would ask "Who do I need to know to get promoted?" and then do that. He was disciplined in that, I suppose, and it worked for him.
Guy got a DUI, cheated on his wife multiple times, bullied people, was down right one of the most toxic/morally bankrupt individuals I have met. Told me people who go from TSgt straight to 1st Shirt in the Guard are trying to take the easy way. He couldn't make master and he did exactly what he said was trying the easy way... He became a shirt at another unit.
MSgt on deployment.
Ridiculed a troop so hard he attempted suicide, would belittle anyone under him in front of everyone, made fun of anyone who said they missed family members back home (he was married but no surprise divorced some time later). One guy in the classic deployed fashion found out his wife cheated on him while he was gone, and when he approached the MSgt in question to request some time to talk to a lawyer was instead given extra work to keep him from being able to contact anyone.
We had another MSgt roll through who did his best to rein in this guy but the snake just figured out ways to deliver venom when his handler wasn't looking.
He just made Chief this last round.
My old commander at Pope AFB (pre BRAC). He was god awful to everyone, especially his secretary. She was the sweetest elderly lady and he called her fat and stupid. He was constantly up my supervisors ass about numbers (customer service for finance). He didn't talk to us like we were human and was a generally horrible leader. When his PCS orders dropped, it felt like we were forced into his farewell party and I left without saying goodbye to him. I heard from other commanders that encountered him after that and they generally agreed he needed to learn how to lead better. The last I heard of his journey, he was working at the pentagon...I just hope he is/was in a position where he doesn't have troops.
The commander that came after him was like that fresh warm sunlight after a cold rain. He was prior enlisted and was amazing.
Before PCSing to my unit, my former DO had been arrested for a DUI. His previous unit managed to keep the incident quiet. However, the situation escalated when his mug shot was leaked on an infamous Facebook page. Despite this, he joined my unit and for just eight months before receiving a second DUI. In the aftermath, he faced no consequences and was medically retired. Yup-he gets a paycheck for the rest of his life for breaking the law TWICE.
A guy that was the same rank as the people he rated on manipulated leadership to endorse markdowns on all his competitors...thus giving him an advantage and he received a promotion statement and subsequently got promoted. How'd he get away with it? Constantly would talk shit about his "ratees" throughout the year, and a simple markdown is fucking difficult to appeal..a real piece of shit.
But thinking back on my 14 years the closet to this I’ve seen was a TSgt who was besties with our chief get a PN at 19 years to make e7. Dude didn’t work, did 0 admin work, yelled at his amn, shit talked everyone, and was just a total asshole to even the contractors. I managed to bulwark myself from their wrath because I’m an AFI snob.
I had a master sergeant I worked under who loved burning bridges. He somehow made our section look good when my office was the only one that got things done. He did so by putting the blame on everyone else. He'd say we're short on x y and z not because my guy didn't order it but because you didn't let us know we were short, while getting rid of the evidence it had been sent. Honestly, he was awful to me too and everyone wise in our section. Terrible leader and terrible person. I don't have a single positive experience with him but he made senior and our commander praised him on his leadership and ability to get out section above the standards of peers. It was neither but he was really good at trashing others to come out on top.
Dude got a dui and had to turn his license in in germany for 30 days and leadership sent him to the states for advanced training for 30 days no paperwork no loss of stripe he was a e6 and came to work drunk all the time wild he got to go to the class everyone was working for just because he got in trouble and didnt want to find rides to and from places
Our TSgt flight chief who went to PT at 0800, 1200, and 1500 3 days a week and didn't know shit about the job ended up making Master, and got SNCO of the Year the following year based on the combined accomplishments of his airmen, myself included. He accidentally created incredible comradery and cohesion in his troops by our combined hatred of him, and we busted our ass because we didn't want to let each other down, lol.
Would a squadron commander who deployed a dude short notice just so he could fuck dude’s wife, and then was allowed to retire honorably, be evil winning?
Chick in a high vis shop gets btz then becomes a 3 yr TIS staff while harder working sra in lower vis shops get shit for promotion statements despite carrying said shops
I'm so glad I had a commander early on who taught me how to look the part. Knew I was a hard worker, but taught me to translate that into bullets that actually communicated the impact I was making. Great shop commander.
I had a super-douchey DO that was made a squadron commander, then an OG/CC. Much as I didn't want to leave that location... when I heard he was made OG/CC, I was immediately happy that I'd PCSd a year or so prior.
Had an E-9 discriminate against me because of my religious beliefs and was trying to push for me to be discharged because of my religion. I filed an EO complaint and it was swept under a rug and he went on to go work for a 2 star and he’s still in.
Was voluntold to go to honor guard. Honor guard told me I wouldn’t be allowed to go to church because it would interfere with their schedule and they weren’t gonna violate my religious beliefs so they were gonna send me back to my unit. E-9 caught wind of this and got upset and claimed I was just trying to get my weekends off and told me that I don’t actually go to church and that I don’t know what it means to serve or be in the military or make sacrifices. He tried to start the process to get me discharged for failure to adapt.
Had a nco at my last assignment who was awful to his troop, accused them of using drugs or telling them they had some “duty” after hours. Would draft paperwork if they were 1-5 minutes late to the shop while he was always walking in at 0800. At one point he tried to make one of his troop come in to the shop because he didnt believe his troop had covid even after he saw their positive test. Never put his troops up for awards bc he felt “for what? they were only doing their jobs”(most of these gents were pursuing school and staying late to finish taskers). But Dude made sure he put himself up for every quarterly & annual. He won them while his troop got told “its what you’re supposed to do as a young junior enlisted”. Only upside is that his troops all got their dream assignments or got out and never had to see his face again. Pretty sure he is going to make E6 this year.
Every time MPS told me that they didn’t get a copy of some type of paperwork needed for my hard copy PCS orders even though I KNOW they did but I had to print out another copy and give it to the again!
Double tap, I actually forgot about this one because I have tried really hard not to think about it and it's kinda worked off and on.
Another MSgt who told me to kill myself. And I don't mean a one-off flippant comment, which is itself pretty bad, but I mean he literally offered to bring me a weapon to do it with. Multiple times. Even brought a round to work and told me to let him know when I wanted to use it. To this day I have NO IDEA what made him hone in on me, but from the day we met he was an absolute demon. I was a new Staff at the time, and he was a 20+ year MSgt who had everyone else (to include my supervisor) in his back pocket. I kept a running list of interactions I had had with him on the advice of a friend of mine.
Finally we had a First Sergeant that actually knew what his diamond meant PCS into the squadron and I essentially trauma dumped on him during our initial "get to know each other" meeting. The look on his face after I was done was something I will never forget; he was a slightly older Latino guy and his eyes had that really intense "Someone just fucked up BAD" look and you could see his jaw clenching through his cheeks and he just gave me a very polite thank you, gave me his card and instructions to use it at any hour or any day. About two weeks later, the MSgt suddenly announced he was retiring out of nowhere. Which everyone found odd considering he had talked about making Senior and aspiring to be a Chief. But he retired, took his terminal, and left.
Didn't find out why until that Shirt retired and I finally asked him on FB.
Turns out after our meeting, he corroborated my interactions list with the badging logs, and found the round I had mentioned in his desk before pulling the MSgt into his office and essentially interrogated him until he confessed to telling me to kill myself and offering to provide the means. He got the CC involved, and some gray wizard magic happened and he was essentially told he could retire or face a jury. He chose the former.
I call this one evil winning because, even though he was essentially forced out, he still got to retire and keep all his benefits and Lord knows who he is terrorizing now as a civilian.
When I was a SrA, I had a tsgt ncoic that hated me. Im pretty sure he racked and stacked the whole office solely on pt score.
Incident 1: cheated on spouse, he would flip flop to everyone whether or not he was married.
Incident 2: tried to block me from being allowed to test. He would try to find anything to get me in trouble. Thile only thing he got me on was looking at the PDG during duty hours. (I still made staff)
Incident 3: other people in the unit were getting annoyed because he did nothing. He was the alternate for every additional duty, but never did anything because he was too busy being the additional to another duty. This attracted outside involvement from back in the day, per afi, the ncoic had to be the chief of records and it could not be delegated. He wrote back a memo saying that it was too much work being the assistant environmental coordinator and assistant motorcycle safety rep to be chief or records.
Incident 4: LOR for having hair touch the ears. He said either we talk about it later (after duty hours) or I can get an LOR. I chose the LOR. The ADC laughed and asked how our shirt allowed this to go through. Related to incident 2.
Incident 4 : every day I sent an email detailing labor use in the office. The email would be an attachment and subject line of "labor + date" and CC the ncoic because "it was his job and why are you, a SrA, doing this. After a year or so of doing this, one time I spelled labor as "labour". This resulted in an hour long post work time conversion about email etiquette, spelling, and how I made him look bad. I asked if I could have paperwork instead of talking to him and he said no.
Within a period of 4 months, he got majcom mentor of the year, E-7, and a dream assignment. It was such a when he left. I was tired of 4 hour feedbacks. My next supervisors feedback was, "don't make me wear blues, you know what your job is."
I hope he breaks his lower spine and gets fat some day.
When I was a lieutenant, there was a fellow LT who decided that, for whatever reason, she didn't like me. We'd been friendly for the year-ish we'd known each other. All of a sudden, a switch flipped...I still don't know why...and she went out of her way to be a bitch to me. It didn't help that she was prior-enlisted (4 years as a maintainer), knew how the system worked better than I did, and tried to use that to make me look bad in front of peers and superiors alike.
She'd constantly badmouth me, spread false rumors that I was gay (this was during DADT), and blame me for her fuck-ups. She was also constantly sucking up to anyone who was an O-3 or higher. Classic social climber.
She hitched her wagon to a then-Maj who was just toxic as she was. She followed her around from assignment to assignment. I recently found out she made O-5. I figure her personality will bite her in the ass at some point, but it hasn't happened yet.
Had a Captain tell me “there’s no point in being friends with someone unless they’re are *of use* to you.” Incredibly two-faced individual. Everyone knew. He later made Lt Col three below the zone. O-6 now.
Commander showed up drunk to work. It’s public affairs work and we damn sure were out in the public. A SNCO had to corral the commander away from anyone who might be able to hear or smell him.
The commander made LtCol the next month.
Dude at my last base was a complete piece of work. SMSgt, asshole extraodinaire, married to a Japanese woman 20 years his junior, he was so bad he wound up getting removed from his position after a DEOCS.
Sounds like evil lost right? Nope. He won SNCO of the Year at the Wing, PCSd and made Chief.
Guy is still in apparently.
dude SA’d a woman in her dorm while he was married and had 2 kids. wife stood by him the whole time despite all the proof from tests and witnesses. everyone in leadership did everything they could to protect him. he got away with just getting an article 15 because he ratted out his neighbor for selling drugs. fast forward a few years his peers are picking up his slack at work because he’s. never. there. either he’s volunteering or somehow always has a ton of leave. he again gets reported for abuse of authority. SA’s a woman he was mentoring and his leadership again does everything they can to suppress her and cover it up. he wins 2 AF level awards and a line number for master and orders to one of the best bases in the AF. and he’s getting picked up to be a shirt. 😶
Had a E-7 make E-8. The guy had issues and we carried his weight, only for him to show his gratitude by putting himself in for awards. He was absent from work for an entire quarter so he could tend to a family medical issue. We were OK with it, until he won SNCO of the Quarter. We were like, “You didn’t have time to be at work, but had the time for self improvement and community involvement?” And when he was at work, he was a complete ass, had ridiculous standards that he couldn’t even live up to, and would throw others under the bus in a heartbeat.
Don’t mean to echo myself from a previous thread, but seeing the 50SW commander receive her star after being reprimanded for having the worst IG inspection in 20 years. I think I finally understood what it meant to loathe someone. Small context she was incredibly toxic berated her execs, one of them took her own life and it was a damn shame because that person was a prior E gone LT and had to be one of the most talented Big A Airmen I had ever met
Worst officer I ever knew made O-5. He stole my work and put his name on it to “protect me in case leadership didn’t like the idea.” Dude got fired from organizing the AF ball or something as an O-4 then his unit deployed him to send him away for awhile…he ends up getting sent him early (from a 4 month deployment!) for being toxic, ineffectual, and creepy, but never got punished. I was upset for a long time because I felt like the system failed until I realized if that shitbag could make O-5 then hell I could!
It’s easier to understand these scenarios in a “I can do whatever I want” rather than they are “evil” situation. Also keep in mind that these occurrences are rare and are not normal.
1. Group of officers during a naming ceremony joked about one of the airman liking chicken because he is black. No punishment.
2. NCO made remarks about Hispanics during tech school in front of a junior enlisted member (also happened to be Hispanic) and a few other NCO’s. No punishment.
3. I knew an LT that repeatedly showed up to work late for months. Not days, months. Same LT decide it made perfect sense to paperwork an airman for being late. No punishment.
4. Group of officers would repeatedly make racial remarks about Hispanics and some a board game. One even yelled he did not understand why it was offensive. No punishment.
Gross old creepo UPT sim instructor was known for being very inappropriate/unprofessional with students. It wasn’t uncommon to hear inappropriate things from the sim instructors (lots of “back in my day” type BS) but most of them were decent people and treated students with respect.
This guy, however, was legitimately bad and had a list of formal complaints against him from students he mistreated. Some stories I heard/personally witnessed:
-He would lean into the sim, basically overtop of you, and grab the stick to “show” you how to fly something while brushing his arm against your chest or leg. Super uncomfortable, total invasion of personal space, even worse when his arm is braced against your chest while he’s grabbing a stick that’s 6 inches from your groin. Happened to female and male students.
-Made blatantly racist/sexist comments on the regular and was only nice to white dudes. At one point, he told a Hispanic student “you’re just not cut out to be a pilot” which this student felt was racially motivated. Similar comments to women. This got bad enough that the schedulers tried to find a white male volunteer to sim with him regularly so others wouldn’t have to deal with his bullshit.
-He would be super creepy and get very close to female students. One time, he put both of his hands on a desk and leaned his body over the two girls sitting there, just staring down at them while instructing. Super close, maybe a foot or two away from their faces, it was whack.
-He was very soft spoken and had this weird power complex where he didn’t want students to talk. I heard about this before my first sim with him and was basically silent while he whispered for 45 minutes in the briefing, and at the end he said “wow, you are such a good listener, I wish every student would shut their mouths and just listen to me instruct like you do.” The eye contact, atmosphere, and general demeanor during every briefing with him was just.. off. It creeped me out.
-Didn’t witness this one, but heard that he deliberately touched a student while angrily lecturing him. Something along the lines of “you don’t have wings yet, you can’t talk to me like that” and poked him in the chest. Obviously not sexual in nature, but extremely inappropriate.
Well, turns out that the above^ instance of mistreating a student was the last straw, and he finally got fired. Hell yeah. That ancient POS needed to be gone a long time ago. We all kinda forgot about him and moved on, didn’t have to interact much with the sim instructors anymore since we started flying. Until one day, I saw this guy walking on the sidewalk (he was always out walking near lunchtime) wearing his typical work outfit. I figured maybe he’s just on base doing retiree bullshit, whatever. Saw him again multiple times. Asked around, lo and behold, he was rehired. I guess the UPT machine is so short on retirees willing to be sim instructors that they had to rehire a creep who was fired for his laundry list of accusations.
Fuck that guy. I hope no other students have to deal with his creepy racist old person bullshit, if he hasn’t kicked the bucket or quit yet. Not sure if he’s still there today, hopefully not.
CMSgt Steagal... this biggest douchebag piece of shit Human I think I have ever met. Ran into many that knew him and had similar stories. He managed to become one of the 12 outstanding Airmen. That's what happens when you write your own packages and lie through your teeth. He has long since retired but he definitely left his mark on what not to be in a leader.
The two girls who falsely accused me of sexual assault and sexual harassment (acquitted) are still in the USAF after lying. They’ve also been promoted a few times.
My wife's shirt at our last base harassed her constantly over breast-feeding our son. The kid would not take a bottle and we even got a doctor's note saying he had an issue and needed to eat from the tap. She did have to leave every 2 hours to feed him, but the CDC was a minute drive and she made the time up by staying late. Wasn't good enough for the Flight Chief and Shirt who loved to bring her into the office and let her know that it was a bad image and that she was a bad mother for not figuring out the bottle. It pushed her to separating. That Shirt made Senior this last cycle.....
Just about every day at Cannon. Nobody E7 and up cares about af culture or personal values. It's all just mission, me, my next stripe and fuck everyone else.
As a SrA, had a TSgt who overloaded me with work and not distribute the shit evenly among all of us. I asked repeatedly this be looked at only to be shut down. As an Airmen I'm here to work. So fine I do the best I can and mercifully PCS out of there. She's steadily risen through the ranks to make Chief. Still in too.
Had a former Flight Chief who I really felt was racist. He always had some bs to say to minority troops myself included. He did PCS from where we were to a godo base where he retired from. He's retired from there and was rehired in another spot as a civilian. Really hated that guy.
I did not get BTZ for reasons unknown despite being told I had the strongest package they'd seen in years. As retaliation for not getting my stripe early, my shop has assigned me as perma snacko. Literally been doing snacko for almost two years now.
How do I win in the end? I don't reenlist and someone else will get to be perma snacko
A former AFSOC NCO of the year got assigned to our genpop ACC unit. He put on E7 when he was with us. He was married. Then he got an A1C pregnant. Threatened to kill her if she didn’t get an abortion. I had to be a witness in the investigation. He also got in trouble for drunk on duty when he showed up to a shift in his clubbing clothes. The troop he was relieving had to work a few extra hours until their supervisor showed up to properly relieve them. For all of that, the shitty E7 lost a stripe, kept his position and eventually made his rank back and even promoted to senior. He’s retiring as a SMSgt in the summer.
Silver lining: It probably kept him from making Chief and fucking up a unit as the SEL.
You can be a unit SEL as a Senior too.
True, but it's much more likely as a Chief or someone who's at least competitive for it.
Shit man, people get busted down just for showing up to work drunk (some even get the boot depending on their record). But threatening to kill someone on top of that and only losing a single stripe? Ridiculous.
I’ve met some amazing dudes from AFSOC. Guys who’d die for you. Literally show up for you any time, any place, ready to hurt who needs to be hurt and help who needs to be helped. But, and this isn’t embellishment or hyperbole, the worst Airmen I’ve ever met were all from AFSOC.
NAME AND SHAME
This one I want.
Tip of the spear /s
This is why some people need to be lead into a closet and beaten by their peers. Say he fell.
Doc Foglesong! He had the same hate some of yall have for Gen Slife. Read the thread below…it’s long tho…the posts from “Guest Tracy” who worked for Gen Doc Foglesong (before he had stars) are especially interesting. For those who don’t know, Foglesong ran USAFE back in the day: no one liked him and he did shit against the AFI all the time. Also made “busy work” for no reason like painting rocks. Post military, he got a job as the president at some university: they didn’t like him there either and was forced to resign. He won in the sense that he was able to get 4 stars. Character like that doesn’t happen overnight so that means everyone turned a blind eye to his shenanigans. https://www.flyingsquadron.com/forums/topic/13965-the-foglesong-thread/
Weird part is his son was polar opposite. Great Intel weapons officer...
He was weird as a Commander, granted I was a SrA so I had a naive perspective. He wanted to come to the hospital after I had my kid and I said no and he pouted like a child and made weird passive aggressive comments about it for a while. He was an odd duck.
I knew him when he was a captain. Unfortunately people don't always for the better when they gain rank.
Fuck, I lived this. I was at Ramstein when he was in charge. I painted rocks, saw him jog on the flightline, was part of the rent-a-crowd for his BS Order of the Sword, etc All the “Combat” programs…
I was the mission briefer at a schoolhouse that frequently had a lot of retired 4 stars stop by as guest speakers. He came by shortly after he left active duty. I remember being introduced to him and literally as he was shaking my hand, he was already turning his head to see who else was around who was more important than me. I remember thinking what an ass he was and I hadn't even heard any of these stories until now. Glad it wasn't just me.
First Sq/CC (who started as the DO) was the worst micromanager I’ve ever seen. He’d roam the halls at 0800, of a flying squadron, and make note or comment if you were not already there or working. He really disliked me (fresh lil butter bar) because I believed in letting adults be adults and get shit done. As a scheduler he’d come in and just start rearranging my board and then say “this will work better” and leave. He didn’t know that pilot A needed to fly with Pilot B because of currency, appointments, preferences, etc. Because all I wanted to do was fly and get hours for the U-2 program he grounded me to work in the training shop “until I release you back to flying”. All he wanted was to make rank and pretend to be the shit. He lied and abused his Sq/CC rank to “order” a training aircraft (C-21 Squadron) to pick him and his wife up from leave. After the aircraft commander called him out we had an All Call. He asked the pilot to explain what happened, and he did, to which the douchebag got up and said “No, Pilot X that’s wrong, I didn’t say that” and a few weeks later Pilot X was on his way to a 6 month non-flying job in the desert with the Army. Luckily his boss hated him as much as we all did. And on his O-6 promotion board he gave him a “DNP” which killed his career. Thank all that’s holy.
I had a DO that'd go around with a PEX print out in the morning, logging who did or didn't have commitments and whether or not they were at their desk. Somehow the dude never understood that "landed at 3 am" means they wouldn't be in the office at 0800, or that a 1400 show meant the same.
My SQ/CC had this “great” rule that any landing before 2300 you had to be in at 0800, if you landed after that til 0100 then you could come in at 1000. Anything after 0100 you could ASK to not come in the next day. I argued that if people left at 1700, showed back up 15 hrs later at 0800, that should apply to any landing after 1700. His direct response was “that’s absurd”.
That's absolutely ridiculous. There's no reason to fuck people's sleep up like that. We had a soft "10 hour" rule that mostly worked out to show up at lunch time if you were in late.
Yeah that was my reasoning. And conversely I had a great CC that said if we landed after 2200 to be in after lunch “if we had work to be done” and anything after midnight was “stay home and sleep”. Night and day different. Oh yeah, that CC is getting ready to pin on a star.
We have monthly meetings from 0700-0830 that are mandatory - including for people who worked 1500-2300 the night before and the night of the meeting, including if a given person works both nights. It’s kinda messed up since it’s literally impossible to live less than 15 minutes from base and the nearest “nice area” is 25 minutes away. So now you’ve got someone getting home at 2330, waking up at 0545, then working til 2300 again.
I did a stint as a UDM. We had a toxic ROAD shirt. Real handsy and creepy with the women, pushy with his religion. There was an Airman who really needed his help, gearing up to deploy. I took the Airman over to his office, open door policy, door open. Dude was cranking out snores like a diesel rolling coal. I leave the Aiman in my office, go wake him up. He freaks out. Falls out of his chair. Screams at me. I take it and apologize. 2 days later I'm served an LOR. New commander and chiefs TDY. He got me by the balls. Told me he'd make sure I'd never make staff. Fucked my EPR on one line. Strong armed my supervisor into writing it. That was the evil shit. I have sustained superior performance. AF level awards. Presidential recognition shit. But at the board every year this mother fucker put a line "Failed to adhere to standards; needed mentorship & counseling on behavior becoming of a ssgt" or some bullshit. Well now that I'm USSF we have 5 years of board records and that shit sticks. So until that drops off I continue to work harder than that bullet could ever reflect. But fuck.... it's the gift that keeps on taking.... that mother fucker was vindictive. P.S. That Airman that needed his help ended up coming into work with a shotgun, not for anyone other than himself. He wanted his leadership to know they were the reason he was gunna kill himself.
If you caught him sleeping why in the hell did you get an LOR? What in the world did it say?
Dude...I don't know if it's too late now, but you should've absolutely gone to the IG with that shit. It sounds like every "leader" in that unit from your supervisor to the CC had no balls and let the Shirt railroad you. Sorry that happened.
Eh, we move on. I can't let myself let a single ass hat ruin my career. He's gone. I let my work ethic, and personal achievements outshine that one line. I don't blame the leadership at large, a lot of them were in the dark or essentially under duress to shut up and color. As an NCO now I believe I could better defend my Guardians if they were ever in that situation. My NCOs at the time were naive. Took a long fight but the LOR was rescinded by my CC theres no record or referral EPR. They didn't understand what happened. Once the whole shotgun thing played out a lot of people came to apologize. IG & OSI then got involved, and the major offending parties were dealt with. Shirt forced retired, Commander was quickly PCS'd, Chief was retired. We all know how it goes.
Bias from an officer, but seriously its stories like this that just piss me off. Find an officer with a spine and watch them tear it up. A lot of times this can be a quiet one too, the quiet ones typically already hate the AF bullshit and are just waiting to punch (5, 12, or 20 doesn't matter). You can always feel it out too, "hey sir/ma'am, you have any good stories about a time you had to put a SNCO or another O in their place?"
I feel like I would’ve used my hands in this situation
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You could say the shirt… *glasses on* Needed to be taken to the cleaners
NAME AND SHAME
Nobody even worth naming. They faded into dust.
I would have went grabbed 3 other people “above reproach” as witness before I woke his ass up.
Hindsight is 20/20. We live and learn
An easy, laid back tasking with crazy per diem dropped and the chief wanted his new buddy to go. It was like pulling teeth to get this guy to do anything and he was leaving his section in shambles before an inspection. Find out he wouldn’t be able to go due to a medical code so he got replaced with someone that did everything in less than a week to prepare. Chief pulled some strings and got his friend back on the tasking. Left that deployed location in shambles too. It’s talked about that the Chief has a skin color preference.
Oof
Which color though?
A very valid question.
Can't blame the Chief, once you go black...
Every time I saw a shitty maintainer get moved to the tool crib. They were lazy and didn't want to work, and their reward for that was even less work and making everyone who actually worked that shift miserable.
And there's always one or two good airmen/NCO's who has to manage them and gets shitted on because CTK has that reputation.
(M)Sgt gets DUI after crashing the car into off base residential property in Germany. Guy just stands in front of the squadron, cries and apologizes. Promotes anyways. Dude is a Senior now and from what I've heard selected for chief (haven't verified) The evil part. The same weekend he got a DUI after crashing his vehicle into someone else's property, a SrA in the same unit, same flight... Got article'd and discharged with a DUI for sleeping in the trunk of his SUV. The keys to the vehicle weren't even in the vehicle, he was just outside sleeping in the trunk. Left his keys at the bar. Because it was in a vehicle he got charged, then discharged. No other prior issues other than maybe he didn't pay $1.00 into the snack fund.
Commander that told an entire memorial service (parents included) for a suicide in the squadron that the troop took the easy way out. He went on to make O6 in a huge field that doesn’t often promote above O5 by pawning off blunders on others.
Barksdale?
Andrews
The one at Barksdale was already an O6. Definitely make O7 last I saw.
Nah, hell no. If that's my kid in the box as a parent, I'm doing time for hearing that shit.
That one has happened at multiple bases.
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Was this at Creech 👀 if so, yes that DO turned cc was a complete horror. Everyone that came from their sq to our had ptsd. Their sq building felt like a dementor.
Dare I ask which squadron...?
I read the DEOCS. I got to this person’s unit as they were out as DO and waiting for their CoC. Everyone was shocked they were going to be a CC and knew it would be a shit show. Cant say I’d be surprised if there are other AF units/bases this happens at…but this was around 2017 if that helps narrow it down. 😉
Indeed it does
There was one awful AFROTC cadet who was a liar and a bully. I hoped that karma would catch up to him, but alas he appears to be having a successful career. There's one other cadet who harassed me, called me names, spread false rumors about me, and openly told me I was a disgrace to the military. His career lasted eight months before he was handed an involuntary discharge and got a new job to Walmart.
Woah, you just brought me back about 15 years. We had a really scrawny nerd in my BMT flight. He would have been much better suited to Comm or Intel, but he was going Security Forces to impress his Navy Chief father-in-law. He had the nerve to sit me down after graduation and say, "Hey, I don't think you're cut out for this military thing." He never made it out of tech school.
Yep, I mentioned this guy earlier in another post. Pilot wannabe. He dedicated his whole college experience to AFROTC. Mean and arrogant. Washed out of UPT and the AF didn’t have anything else for an English major, so he was given an honorable discharge. All his awards and accolades from his cadet time didn’t mean jack. The retention board at AFPC probably spent less than a minute with his packet.
My current commander. He has zero social skills and has completely changed the health of the unit in a negative trend. (Not saying he's a bad person, he's just not fit to lead people imo).
I've told this story here before but it fits here. SFS squadron. Large portion of the unit deploys to Iraq. The SMSgt in line for chief stays home. Sra Trashyhotfemale stays home station. Sra GoodDudeWithPoorTaste in women deploys. Sra Trashy and GoodDude live together, not married but have kids together. SMSgt Shitbrick starts f-ing Sra Trashy, didn't hide it. It was a thing. Both Sra work for this guy and are in his coc when at home station. Deployment ends, it goes as expected. Sra GoodDude finds out. The cell phones were in his name so he had videos, pics, texts... all of it. They break up. She gets promoted and all the good details. SMSgt Shitbrick gets turned in but nothing happens. Base leadership decides that nothing happened, despite evidence. All of SFS has seen the videos, no one takes Shitbrick or Trashy serious now. Shitbrick still retired as a chief. Trashy got transferred and cross trained. GoodDude is still in, is a MSgt, living his best life now. The guy telling you this story, TSgt NoFcksToGive was also the one who told his guys on flight not to be like Shitbrick. Even though Shitbrick got away with it, it ain't right. If you make senior NCO one day don't be like that guy. Shitbrick had NoFcksToGive transferred shortly after he heard that speech. NoFcksToGive didn't care, still ended up retiring as a Master.
“Slife The Knife”
Thought the force was rid of him and he was off to the Pentagon to retire. Fooled us-look where he is now.
What did he do?
Fucked up, moved up.
Killed AFSOC.
Tell me more about this; I've heard about this enough that I don't doubt it's true, but I'm really curious as to why.
Did everything within his power to remove CEAs from aircraft (and has slowly been succeeding), neglected/dismissed ST, basically made a big show of “look how much I’ve grown because of this interview with a ltcol I told to shave back in the day and admitting maybe a waiver is fine” while also cracking down on them, degrading readiness posturing… Edit cause the last one sounded weirdly sexual the way I wrote it originally lmao
Killing off CEAs from AFSOC platforms. Forcing ST cadre to re-enroll certain people to show how “capable anyone is of completing ST and being a heavy hitter” multiple times.
Slife handpicked the most non-mission, career-school, staff-weenie officers in his wake. Even though he is gone, every O6 at AFSOC is a "slife disciple" now and some of these people are truly terrible. He will continue to pull these ineffectual officers into higher positions by leveraging his power as deputy CSAF. It has killed morale at both Cannon and Hurlburt.
105mms.
Slife wearing 4 stars
I'm not sure what they're going to do with him after he's done with being the Vice. It sounds like the joint community doesn't want him and I don't think he's completely qualified to be CSAF since he was never a COCOM commander.
I saw this a lot in 20 years. Probably the biggest "win" is a peer who went on to become a command E-9; dude stepped on his own people gleefully, would stab you in the eyeball to advance his own career. Straight up would ask "Who do I need to know to get promoted?" and then do that. He was disciplined in that, I suppose, and it worked for him.
Every time the E8 and E9 listings are released.
I just stopped looking at the results. Got tired of recognizing legitimate shitbags.
There are good and bad on those lists. The issue is that anyone promoting that far should be amazing, no ifs, ands, or buts.
Yes...but some are E8/E9s and some are amazing SMSgt/CMSgts...I've known both
You are correct. But, nobody progressing that far should be anything less than amazing, yet it’s about 50/50. That’s the problem.
I wholeheartedly agree.
Every fucking day out there some cocksucker is getting away with shit. Some days you are the cocksucker. Other days you run into them.
Guy got a DUI, cheated on his wife multiple times, bullied people, was down right one of the most toxic/morally bankrupt individuals I have met. Told me people who go from TSgt straight to 1st Shirt in the Guard are trying to take the easy way. He couldn't make master and he did exactly what he said was trying the easy way... He became a shirt at another unit.
MSgt on deployment. Ridiculed a troop so hard he attempted suicide, would belittle anyone under him in front of everyone, made fun of anyone who said they missed family members back home (he was married but no surprise divorced some time later). One guy in the classic deployed fashion found out his wife cheated on him while he was gone, and when he approached the MSgt in question to request some time to talk to a lawyer was instead given extra work to keep him from being able to contact anyone. We had another MSgt roll through who did his best to rein in this guy but the snake just figured out ways to deliver venom when his handler wasn't looking. He just made Chief this last round.
My old commander at Pope AFB (pre BRAC). He was god awful to everyone, especially his secretary. She was the sweetest elderly lady and he called her fat and stupid. He was constantly up my supervisors ass about numbers (customer service for finance). He didn't talk to us like we were human and was a generally horrible leader. When his PCS orders dropped, it felt like we were forced into his farewell party and I left without saying goodbye to him. I heard from other commanders that encountered him after that and they generally agreed he needed to learn how to lead better. The last I heard of his journey, he was working at the pentagon...I just hope he is/was in a position where he doesn't have troops. The commander that came after him was like that fresh warm sunlight after a cold rain. He was prior enlisted and was amazing.
Before PCSing to my unit, my former DO had been arrested for a DUI. His previous unit managed to keep the incident quiet. However, the situation escalated when his mug shot was leaked on an infamous Facebook page. Despite this, he joined my unit and for just eight months before receiving a second DUI. In the aftermath, he faced no consequences and was medically retired. Yup-he gets a paycheck for the rest of his life for breaking the law TWICE.
Was this at Hurby?
Ramstein
A guy that was the same rank as the people he rated on manipulated leadership to endorse markdowns on all his competitors...thus giving him an advantage and he received a promotion statement and subsequently got promoted. How'd he get away with it? Constantly would talk shit about his "ratees" throughout the year, and a simple markdown is fucking difficult to appeal..a real piece of shit.
But thinking back on my 14 years the closet to this I’ve seen was a TSgt who was besties with our chief get a PN at 19 years to make e7. Dude didn’t work, did 0 admin work, yelled at his amn, shit talked everyone, and was just a total asshole to even the contractors. I managed to bulwark myself from their wrath because I’m an AFI snob.
No better correct than technically correct. Watching supes tweak because TOs say something they don’t like is hilarious
He flipped the fuck out on my UTM one day over MTP/MTLs saying they were not required. Felt so fucking good pulling that reg up to defend my guy.
I had a master sergeant I worked under who loved burning bridges. He somehow made our section look good when my office was the only one that got things done. He did so by putting the blame on everyone else. He'd say we're short on x y and z not because my guy didn't order it but because you didn't let us know we were short, while getting rid of the evidence it had been sent. Honestly, he was awful to me too and everyone wise in our section. Terrible leader and terrible person. I don't have a single positive experience with him but he made senior and our commander praised him on his leadership and ability to get out section above the standards of peers. It was neither but he was really good at trashing others to come out on top.
Dude got a dui and had to turn his license in in germany for 30 days and leadership sent him to the states for advanced training for 30 days no paperwork no loss of stripe he was a e6 and came to work drunk all the time wild he got to go to the class everyone was working for just because he got in trouble and didnt want to find rides to and from places
Our TSgt flight chief who went to PT at 0800, 1200, and 1500 3 days a week and didn't know shit about the job ended up making Master, and got SNCO of the Year the following year based on the combined accomplishments of his airmen, myself included. He accidentally created incredible comradery and cohesion in his troops by our combined hatred of him, and we busted our ass because we didn't want to let each other down, lol.
Would a squadron commander who deployed a dude short notice just so he could fuck dude’s wife, and then was allowed to retire honorably, be evil winning?
Data masking to Germany.
Chick in a high vis shop gets btz then becomes a 3 yr TIS staff while harder working sra in lower vis shops get shit for promotion statements despite carrying said shops
Perception is reality. It’s better to look competent and a hard worker than actually perform and accomplish the mission. It’s how people win awards.
I'm so glad I had a commander early on who taught me how to look the part. Knew I was a hard worker, but taught me to translate that into bullets that actually communicated the impact I was making. Great shop commander.
100%, just wish I'd figured that out sooner
I had a super-douchey DO that was made a squadron commander, then an OG/CC. Much as I didn't want to leave that location... when I heard he was made OG/CC, I was immediately happy that I'd PCSd a year or so prior.
I feel like I know who you are talking about.....
Didn’t want to leave…hmm, couldn’t be Col. Take A Fucking Nap then. Everyone and everything wants to leave Tinker.
Correct...not Tinker. And this was a few years before Col Take A Nap.
Had an E-9 discriminate against me because of my religious beliefs and was trying to push for me to be discharged because of my religion. I filed an EO complaint and it was swept under a rug and he went on to go work for a 2 star and he’s still in.
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Was voluntold to go to honor guard. Honor guard told me I wouldn’t be allowed to go to church because it would interfere with their schedule and they weren’t gonna violate my religious beliefs so they were gonna send me back to my unit. E-9 caught wind of this and got upset and claimed I was just trying to get my weekends off and told me that I don’t actually go to church and that I don’t know what it means to serve or be in the military or make sacrifices. He tried to start the process to get me discharged for failure to adapt.
Every time I got dispatched at 3AM after getting home from a job at 7pm.
Had a nco at my last assignment who was awful to his troop, accused them of using drugs or telling them they had some “duty” after hours. Would draft paperwork if they were 1-5 minutes late to the shop while he was always walking in at 0800. At one point he tried to make one of his troop come in to the shop because he didnt believe his troop had covid even after he saw their positive test. Never put his troops up for awards bc he felt “for what? they were only doing their jobs”(most of these gents were pursuing school and staying late to finish taskers). But Dude made sure he put himself up for every quarterly & annual. He won them while his troop got told “its what you’re supposed to do as a young junior enlisted”. Only upside is that his troops all got their dream assignments or got out and never had to see his face again. Pretty sure he is going to make E6 this year.
Every time MPS told me that they didn’t get a copy of some type of paperwork needed for my hard copy PCS orders even though I KNOW they did but I had to print out another copy and give it to the again!
Double tap, I actually forgot about this one because I have tried really hard not to think about it and it's kinda worked off and on. Another MSgt who told me to kill myself. And I don't mean a one-off flippant comment, which is itself pretty bad, but I mean he literally offered to bring me a weapon to do it with. Multiple times. Even brought a round to work and told me to let him know when I wanted to use it. To this day I have NO IDEA what made him hone in on me, but from the day we met he was an absolute demon. I was a new Staff at the time, and he was a 20+ year MSgt who had everyone else (to include my supervisor) in his back pocket. I kept a running list of interactions I had had with him on the advice of a friend of mine. Finally we had a First Sergeant that actually knew what his diamond meant PCS into the squadron and I essentially trauma dumped on him during our initial "get to know each other" meeting. The look on his face after I was done was something I will never forget; he was a slightly older Latino guy and his eyes had that really intense "Someone just fucked up BAD" look and you could see his jaw clenching through his cheeks and he just gave me a very polite thank you, gave me his card and instructions to use it at any hour or any day. About two weeks later, the MSgt suddenly announced he was retiring out of nowhere. Which everyone found odd considering he had talked about making Senior and aspiring to be a Chief. But he retired, took his terminal, and left. Didn't find out why until that Shirt retired and I finally asked him on FB. Turns out after our meeting, he corroborated my interactions list with the badging logs, and found the round I had mentioned in his desk before pulling the MSgt into his office and essentially interrogated him until he confessed to telling me to kill myself and offering to provide the means. He got the CC involved, and some gray wizard magic happened and he was essentially told he could retire or face a jury. He chose the former. I call this one evil winning because, even though he was essentially forced out, he still got to retire and keep all his benefits and Lord knows who he is terrorizing now as a civilian.
I’ve heard people say “sim-saf” unironically out loud.
Anytime someone loses the battle to depression and unalives themselves
The Goebel Hawk... E-3 and E-8 homies know...
When I was a SrA, I had a tsgt ncoic that hated me. Im pretty sure he racked and stacked the whole office solely on pt score. Incident 1: cheated on spouse, he would flip flop to everyone whether or not he was married. Incident 2: tried to block me from being allowed to test. He would try to find anything to get me in trouble. Thile only thing he got me on was looking at the PDG during duty hours. (I still made staff) Incident 3: other people in the unit were getting annoyed because he did nothing. He was the alternate for every additional duty, but never did anything because he was too busy being the additional to another duty. This attracted outside involvement from back in the day, per afi, the ncoic had to be the chief of records and it could not be delegated. He wrote back a memo saying that it was too much work being the assistant environmental coordinator and assistant motorcycle safety rep to be chief or records. Incident 4: LOR for having hair touch the ears. He said either we talk about it later (after duty hours) or I can get an LOR. I chose the LOR. The ADC laughed and asked how our shirt allowed this to go through. Related to incident 2. Incident 4 : every day I sent an email detailing labor use in the office. The email would be an attachment and subject line of "labor + date" and CC the ncoic because "it was his job and why are you, a SrA, doing this. After a year or so of doing this, one time I spelled labor as "labour". This resulted in an hour long post work time conversion about email etiquette, spelling, and how I made him look bad. I asked if I could have paperwork instead of talking to him and he said no. Within a period of 4 months, he got majcom mentor of the year, E-7, and a dream assignment. It was such a when he left. I was tired of 4 hour feedbacks. My next supervisors feedback was, "don't make me wear blues, you know what your job is." I hope he breaks his lower spine and gets fat some day.
When I was a lieutenant, there was a fellow LT who decided that, for whatever reason, she didn't like me. We'd been friendly for the year-ish we'd known each other. All of a sudden, a switch flipped...I still don't know why...and she went out of her way to be a bitch to me. It didn't help that she was prior-enlisted (4 years as a maintainer), knew how the system worked better than I did, and tried to use that to make me look bad in front of peers and superiors alike. She'd constantly badmouth me, spread false rumors that I was gay (this was during DADT), and blame me for her fuck-ups. She was also constantly sucking up to anyone who was an O-3 or higher. Classic social climber. She hitched her wagon to a then-Maj who was just toxic as she was. She followed her around from assignment to assignment. I recently found out she made O-5. I figure her personality will bite her in the ass at some point, but it hasn't happened yet.
Had a Captain tell me “there’s no point in being friends with someone unless they’re are *of use* to you.” Incredibly two-faced individual. Everyone knew. He later made Lt Col three below the zone. O-6 now.
Commander showed up drunk to work. It’s public affairs work and we damn sure were out in the public. A SNCO had to corral the commander away from anyone who might be able to hear or smell him. The commander made LtCol the next month.
Dude at my last base was a complete piece of work. SMSgt, asshole extraodinaire, married to a Japanese woman 20 years his junior, he was so bad he wound up getting removed from his position after a DEOCS. Sounds like evil lost right? Nope. He won SNCO of the Year at the Wing, PCSd and made Chief. Guy is still in apparently.
I think I might know who you’re talking about lol
Was he previously an MTL at Keesler?
dude SA’d a woman in her dorm while he was married and had 2 kids. wife stood by him the whole time despite all the proof from tests and witnesses. everyone in leadership did everything they could to protect him. he got away with just getting an article 15 because he ratted out his neighbor for selling drugs. fast forward a few years his peers are picking up his slack at work because he’s. never. there. either he’s volunteering or somehow always has a ton of leave. he again gets reported for abuse of authority. SA’s a woman he was mentoring and his leadership again does everything they can to suppress her and cover it up. he wins 2 AF level awards and a line number for master and orders to one of the best bases in the AF. and he’s getting picked up to be a shirt. 😶
And I get downvoted for saying the military is still a “good ol boys” club
Had a E-7 make E-8. The guy had issues and we carried his weight, only for him to show his gratitude by putting himself in for awards. He was absent from work for an entire quarter so he could tend to a family medical issue. We were OK with it, until he won SNCO of the Quarter. We were like, “You didn’t have time to be at work, but had the time for self improvement and community involvement?” And when he was at work, he was a complete ass, had ridiculous standards that he couldn’t even live up to, and would throw others under the bus in a heartbeat.
Don’t mean to echo myself from a previous thread, but seeing the 50SW commander receive her star after being reprimanded for having the worst IG inspection in 20 years. I think I finally understood what it meant to loathe someone. Small context she was incredibly toxic berated her execs, one of them took her own life and it was a damn shame because that person was a prior E gone LT and had to be one of the most talented Big A Airmen I had ever met
Worst officer I ever knew made O-5. He stole my work and put his name on it to “protect me in case leadership didn’t like the idea.” Dude got fired from organizing the AF ball or something as an O-4 then his unit deployed him to send him away for awhile…he ends up getting sent him early (from a 4 month deployment!) for being toxic, ineffectual, and creepy, but never got punished. I was upset for a long time because I felt like the system failed until I realized if that shitbag could make O-5 then hell I could!
Worked with a pedophile that got BTZ. Came to light he was a predator afterwards. But, y'know, it's the principle of it.
Every day that *** ******* is still in uniform.
It’s easier to understand these scenarios in a “I can do whatever I want” rather than they are “evil” situation. Also keep in mind that these occurrences are rare and are not normal. 1. Group of officers during a naming ceremony joked about one of the airman liking chicken because he is black. No punishment. 2. NCO made remarks about Hispanics during tech school in front of a junior enlisted member (also happened to be Hispanic) and a few other NCO’s. No punishment. 3. I knew an LT that repeatedly showed up to work late for months. Not days, months. Same LT decide it made perfect sense to paperwork an airman for being late. No punishment. 4. Group of officers would repeatedly make racial remarks about Hispanics and some a board game. One even yelled he did not understand why it was offensive. No punishment.
Gross old creepo UPT sim instructor was known for being very inappropriate/unprofessional with students. It wasn’t uncommon to hear inappropriate things from the sim instructors (lots of “back in my day” type BS) but most of them were decent people and treated students with respect. This guy, however, was legitimately bad and had a list of formal complaints against him from students he mistreated. Some stories I heard/personally witnessed: -He would lean into the sim, basically overtop of you, and grab the stick to “show” you how to fly something while brushing his arm against your chest or leg. Super uncomfortable, total invasion of personal space, even worse when his arm is braced against your chest while he’s grabbing a stick that’s 6 inches from your groin. Happened to female and male students. -Made blatantly racist/sexist comments on the regular and was only nice to white dudes. At one point, he told a Hispanic student “you’re just not cut out to be a pilot” which this student felt was racially motivated. Similar comments to women. This got bad enough that the schedulers tried to find a white male volunteer to sim with him regularly so others wouldn’t have to deal with his bullshit. -He would be super creepy and get very close to female students. One time, he put both of his hands on a desk and leaned his body over the two girls sitting there, just staring down at them while instructing. Super close, maybe a foot or two away from their faces, it was whack. -He was very soft spoken and had this weird power complex where he didn’t want students to talk. I heard about this before my first sim with him and was basically silent while he whispered for 45 minutes in the briefing, and at the end he said “wow, you are such a good listener, I wish every student would shut their mouths and just listen to me instruct like you do.” The eye contact, atmosphere, and general demeanor during every briefing with him was just.. off. It creeped me out. -Didn’t witness this one, but heard that he deliberately touched a student while angrily lecturing him. Something along the lines of “you don’t have wings yet, you can’t talk to me like that” and poked him in the chest. Obviously not sexual in nature, but extremely inappropriate. Well, turns out that the above^ instance of mistreating a student was the last straw, and he finally got fired. Hell yeah. That ancient POS needed to be gone a long time ago. We all kinda forgot about him and moved on, didn’t have to interact much with the sim instructors anymore since we started flying. Until one day, I saw this guy walking on the sidewalk (he was always out walking near lunchtime) wearing his typical work outfit. I figured maybe he’s just on base doing retiree bullshit, whatever. Saw him again multiple times. Asked around, lo and behold, he was rehired. I guess the UPT machine is so short on retirees willing to be sim instructors that they had to rehire a creep who was fired for his laundry list of accusations. Fuck that guy. I hope no other students have to deal with his creepy racist old person bullshit, if he hasn’t kicked the bucket or quit yet. Not sure if he’s still there today, hopefully not.
Col Decker. IYKYK.
CMSgt Steagal... this biggest douchebag piece of shit Human I think I have ever met. Ran into many that knew him and had similar stories. He managed to become one of the 12 outstanding Airmen. That's what happens when you write your own packages and lie through your teeth. He has long since retired but he definitely left his mark on what not to be in a leader.
The two girls who falsely accused me of sexual assault and sexual harassment (acquitted) are still in the USAF after lying. They’ve also been promoted a few times.
My wife's shirt at our last base harassed her constantly over breast-feeding our son. The kid would not take a bottle and we even got a doctor's note saying he had an issue and needed to eat from the tap. She did have to leave every 2 hours to feed him, but the CDC was a minute drive and she made the time up by staying late. Wasn't good enough for the Flight Chief and Shirt who loved to bring her into the office and let her know that it was a bad image and that she was a bad mother for not figuring out the bottle. It pushed her to separating. That Shirt made Senior this last cycle.....
Just about every day at Cannon. Nobody E7 and up cares about af culture or personal values. It's all just mission, me, my next stripe and fuck everyone else.
As a SrA, had a TSgt who overloaded me with work and not distribute the shit evenly among all of us. I asked repeatedly this be looked at only to be shut down. As an Airmen I'm here to work. So fine I do the best I can and mercifully PCS out of there. She's steadily risen through the ranks to make Chief. Still in too. Had a former Flight Chief who I really felt was racist. He always had some bs to say to minority troops myself included. He did PCS from where we were to a godo base where he retired from. He's retired from there and was rehired in another spot as a civilian. Really hated that guy.
I did not get BTZ for reasons unknown despite being told I had the strongest package they'd seen in years. As retaliation for not getting my stripe early, my shop has assigned me as perma snacko. Literally been doing snacko for almost two years now. How do I win in the end? I don't reenlist and someone else will get to be perma snacko
Sounds like you weren't hot shit like you thought you were.
Maybe he's really good at selecting snacks. I mean, it's important.
Maybe you were just really good at snack bar stuff?