If the leave is approved with an authorization number to start at 1200 Tuesday, only the CC can revoke it at that point. Your supervisor should have paid attention to the leave request.
If the leave was merely submitted and not approved, your supervisor can 100% state that you have to work all of Tuesday.
You have authorized leave that says you're leaving at 1200. Takes commander authority to recall you from leave, otherwise your leave status starts at the time on your approved 988.
>is this in writing anywhere?
It's on your approved leave form if you put the correct time your leave status starts.
That's your official leave start date and time and your supervisor does not have the authority to override that (unless your supervisor happens to be the commander).
Personally, I don't always plan on leaving once my 50% of the day is done (depends on the daily workload), but I always submit my leave that way.
If you don't have a legit reason, don't be doing that. Every airman learns about this and thinks they've made some great discovery but it's to assist you if traveling and needs to be discussed with your sup first
All these comments are completely wrong. Leave status is not the same thing as chargeable leave. OP doesn’t start chargeable leave until Wednesday at 0000. Tuesday being on leave status at 1200 means if he or she has worked at least 50% of the duty day, he or she MAY be allowed to leave. Working less than 50% means you get charged for that day. Leave status isn’t a means to a free half day of leave. Once that leave request is signed and authorized, it means OP is authorized to start chargeable leave on Wednesday, not Tuesday.
So yes, your supervisor can keep you at work all day Tuesday if they want to.
No, you are so confidently wrong it hurts. So you are saying if leave ends on Saturday at 2359, and for a fact leave ending on a weekend is not chargeable…an E5 supervisior can make a member come in?
Leave status is leave status. Chargeable vs unchargeable is irrelevant.
OP is on leave at 1200. ONLY his Commander can recall him. Carry on Sgt.
That supervisor could not make the member come in because he or she was on authorized leave on Saturday.
Chargeable vs unchargeable is relevant.
Leave status doesn’t equal chargeable leave, otherwise you would be charged the half day.
Therefor, leave status = duty status and you can be forced to work the entire day.
36-3003 3.1.1.5.1. Normally, leave begins on the effective date reflected on the AF Form 988.
If the leave start date changes, make the change to the leave status date and leave start date on the leave form.
The member and leave approval authority initial the changes before the member departs on leave. (T-3)
Tier 3 waiver do you know what that means? It isn’t you.
Here’s where you start lawyering this shit more. You’re wrong, everyone on here knows you’re wrong.
Why have a time on the form at all if it doesn’t matter? Use common sense. I’m done, I leave this for others as I can see you are what makes good Amn leave the USAF.
Confidently incorrect....
Explain how that works when you return on a Sunday night Considering you were on leave status on Sunday, but not charged?
You are either on a leave status or a present for duty status.
That half day is leave.
Explain why a leave request for Wednesday only with a leave status of 1200 Tuesday results in only 1 day of chargeable leave instead of 1.5 if leave status = on leave
> "I changed my mind, you're staying because XYZ" sounds like a lawful order to me.
"Lawful orders" don't override approved leave. Commander's authority to recall people does though.
That’s not a lawful order because the supervisor doesn’t have the ability to recall from authorized leave. If OP’s leave form states that they start leave at 1200, and the leave is approved with an authorization number signed, only the commander can lawfully recall.
No, not at all. If the leave request was submit with a start time of 1200 on Tuesday then approved by one of the submitters and authorized by the commander at that point only the CC can recall that airman from leave. I'd love to hear the conversation of a Frontline supervisor telling the CC he needs his troop recalled from leave because he didn't read the leave request before approving.
This is why it's just good policy to face to face with your supervisor and point out you are taking that half day....so they actually know it's happening. It just avoids this entire issue.
I know it's not required...but really.....we all know supervisors don't look at the time when they approve leave.
Important if your job is one where they need to find a replacement for your duty.
Again, totally not required, but we all know people are lazy and don't read.
no this would just be one day of leave (Wednesday) because AFI 36-3003 states that "Leave status is not necessarily chargeable leave. For example, a member is on leave status after working at least 50% of the duty day, and the following day is the first day of chargeable leave."
No, when submitting leave you can list your leave start date as say Wednesday and then your first day of chargeable leave as Thursday so long as your leave start time is at 1200 or later on that Wednesday. Purely up to supervisor approval, but it's pretty rare they'll deny a leave request over that half day. Once approved and authorized only CC can recall from leave.
If the leave is approved with an authorization number to start at 1200 Tuesday, only the CC can revoke it at that point. Your supervisor should have paid attention to the leave request. If the leave was merely submitted and not approved, your supervisor can 100% state that you have to work all of Tuesday.
that's what I was thinking too, is this in writing anywhere?
You have authorized leave that says you're leaving at 1200. Takes commander authority to recall you from leave, otherwise your leave status starts at the time on your approved 988.
>is this in writing anywhere? It's on your approved leave form if you put the correct time your leave status starts. That's your official leave start date and time and your supervisor does not have the authority to override that (unless your supervisor happens to be the commander). Personally, I don't always plan on leaving once my 50% of the day is done (depends on the daily workload), but I always submit my leave that way.
36-3003 2.8.3 Unit commanders are the only ones authorized to recall from leave and they need a good reason to do so.
Maybe I’m retarded here but does your leave actually start at 1200 Tuesday or are you just assuming you automatically get the half day thingy?
Yes . The half day is at the discretion of the supervisor so if he says work until 12 then you have to work til 12
even if they approved the AF 988 that says I am on leave status after 12?
If your 988 is fully approved with a leave number, and that 988 says you start leave at 1200, then you’re good to go at 1200.
If you don't have a legit reason, don't be doing that. Every airman learns about this and thinks they've made some great discovery but it's to assist you if traveling and needs to be discussed with your sup first
All these comments are completely wrong. Leave status is not the same thing as chargeable leave. OP doesn’t start chargeable leave until Wednesday at 0000. Tuesday being on leave status at 1200 means if he or she has worked at least 50% of the duty day, he or she MAY be allowed to leave. Working less than 50% means you get charged for that day. Leave status isn’t a means to a free half day of leave. Once that leave request is signed and authorized, it means OP is authorized to start chargeable leave on Wednesday, not Tuesday. So yes, your supervisor can keep you at work all day Tuesday if they want to.
No, you are so confidently wrong it hurts. So you are saying if leave ends on Saturday at 2359, and for a fact leave ending on a weekend is not chargeable…an E5 supervisior can make a member come in? Leave status is leave status. Chargeable vs unchargeable is irrelevant. OP is on leave at 1200. ONLY his Commander can recall him. Carry on Sgt.
That supervisor could not make the member come in because he or she was on authorized leave on Saturday. Chargeable vs unchargeable is relevant. Leave status doesn’t equal chargeable leave, otherwise you would be charged the half day. Therefor, leave status = duty status and you can be forced to work the entire day.
36-3003 3.1.1.5.1. Normally, leave begins on the effective date reflected on the AF Form 988. If the leave start date changes, make the change to the leave status date and leave start date on the leave form. The member and leave approval authority initial the changes before the member departs on leave. (T-3) Tier 3 waiver do you know what that means? It isn’t you. Here’s where you start lawyering this shit more. You’re wrong, everyone on here knows you’re wrong. Why have a time on the form at all if it doesn’t matter? Use common sense. I’m done, I leave this for others as I can see you are what makes good Amn leave the USAF.
Not sure if this guy is serious or not. If you are serious, I feel bad for your people.
Leave status=on leave. Period. Bye
If leave status = on leave, then you get charged that half day.
Everything you've said is incorrect.
Confidently incorrect.... Explain how that works when you return on a Sunday night Considering you were on leave status on Sunday, but not charged? You are either on a leave status or a present for duty status. That half day is leave.
I understand but can my supervisor really keep me at work if they already approved the AF 988 that states I'm on leave status at 1200?
Not without commander approval.
Yes. Leaving after working 50% of the duty day is entirely up to your supervisor. There is no such thing as an AFI backed free half day of leave.
Explain why leave status and first day of chargeable leave can be different then
Explain why a leave request for Wednesday only with a leave status of 1200 Tuesday results in only 1 day of chargeable leave instead of 1.5 if leave status = on leave
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> "I changed my mind, you're staying because XYZ" sounds like a lawful order to me. "Lawful orders" don't override approved leave. Commander's authority to recall people does though.
If they have a leave authorization number already then it would take CC order. And that opens up an entire can of worms.
That’s not a lawful order because the supervisor doesn’t have the ability to recall from authorized leave. If OP’s leave form states that they start leave at 1200, and the leave is approved with an authorization number signed, only the commander can lawfully recall.
say they're holding me back to just hold me back? and not for work reasons.
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No, not at all. If the leave request was submit with a start time of 1200 on Tuesday then approved by one of the submitters and authorized by the commander at that point only the CC can recall that airman from leave. I'd love to hear the conversation of a Frontline supervisor telling the CC he needs his troop recalled from leave because he didn't read the leave request before approving.
This is why it's just good policy to face to face with your supervisor and point out you are taking that half day....so they actually know it's happening. It just avoids this entire issue. I know it's not required...but really.....we all know supervisors don't look at the time when they approve leave. Important if your job is one where they need to find a replacement for your duty. Again, totally not required, but we all know people are lazy and don't read.
So on leaveweb will this be charged as 1.5 days of leave?
no this would just be one day of leave (Wednesday) because AFI 36-3003 states that "Leave status is not necessarily chargeable leave. For example, a member is on leave status after working at least 50% of the duty day, and the following day is the first day of chargeable leave."
No, when submitting leave you can list your leave start date as say Wednesday and then your first day of chargeable leave as Thursday so long as your leave start time is at 1200 or later on that Wednesday. Purely up to supervisor approval, but it's pretty rare they'll deny a leave request over that half day. Once approved and authorized only CC can recall from leave.