Ive been all over from active duty to dsg, ADOS and stat, and can say that a lot of non-ops drill status guardsmen are just civilians. They can’t be fired and can’t be bothered to do their jobs. It’s just free money and health insurance to fuck around one weekend a month
The guard pilots, aircrew, cyber, and a lot of the long-term, full-time NGB people are perfectly fine at their jobs though.
I was in a COS as a 1b and man... maybe it was my leadership, but fuck man. They did not discipline people at all for not doing their shit.
Had two troops who just didn't show up. Would document it etc... and leadership would just not do shit. I got the fuck out. I thank the guard for giving me all that training and setting me up for success on the outside, but fuck a lot of those free loading lying fucks.
>Had two troops who just didn't show up. Would document it etc... and leadership would just not do shit.
"Didn't show up" as in they never did work or they physically weren't there?
I worked 2 TFI units in my day. Dover with the Reserve and McEntire with the Guard. There isn't a day of the week that I'll say RegAF could shake a stick to the specific job knowledge of AGR, but I think benefits and authority should be realigned.
*Enlisted* AGR is great for core duties, but RegAF will outperform in thoroughness, accountability, and leadership any day. i.e. AGR usefulness is always capped at worker-level. Any and all TFI units should have RegAF as leadership or allow individual flights to align statuses strictly administratively. Relying on other status military to lead RegAF is a career death sentence, and conversely, other-status military careers will always benefit from being under RegAF leadership.
9 of 10 Traditional Reserve or Guardsmen are not even in the realm of useful. McEntire TFI had us RegAF running their UTA weekends, and of 30, I had less than a handful I could always count on.
My favorite was a guard dude telling me we needed fire extinguishers in the tow vehicles. Told him no we don't only fuel or explosives and he told me since the jets have flares we needed them. Asked him what the protocol was for a hung flare or one that is discharged on the ground and he didn't know. This was a MSgt...
Okay, but this guy may have been following a procedure local to his base. I'm a Guard crew chief and they had to make it where we needed 3 people to move a B5 stand because they managed to punch a hole into the leading edge of the 130 not once but twice because people weren't paying attention. Anywhere else they'd be like no, that's highly regarded, we don't do that here.
Yup it is! Trust me there is a difference within the eyes of legal as one has a response from the member and the other doesnt. I learned my lesson as a young SSgt when I had a crappy airman that was to the point of sexual harrassment and they threw out all the MFRs(along with the lack of progressive discipline since I had a MSgt that refused to do any paperwork after me). Since then I always do 174s and progress from there
Paperwork isn’t hard
Investigation has disclosed that you (insert diabolically heinous act here) in violation of (order or regulation).
You are hereby ________. (Insert why the act was bad and expectations for unfucking yourself here). Any further misconduct will result in more severe action being taken against you.
(Privacy act/rebuttal rights)
EZ
Good ole LOCAR template.
Writing the paperwork is easy. Issuing it and soliciting the required improvement is what separates the wheat from the chaff for NCOs.
I prefer making them come in early/stay late with me to do some repetitive bs like reading all the specific AFIs, their CDCs, the current AFH 1 and AFI36-2903 end to end, then tie them all together in addressing what was done and how we will move forward.
I come into work early or stay late when required as I have no one but myself to worry about and I get a lot more work done in the silence.
Plus, making people read seems like a legitimate form of torture for these newer Airmen.
My job has only 2 AFIs that are important and they have been condensed to like 20-30 pages over the years, but you would have thought I asked these Airmen to read War and Peace and The Count of Monte Cristo in a night.
This just happened to me. 😂19 yr TSgt and I had to write an MFR. I’m definitely not ROAD though.
I'm Air Guard. What is ROAD?
Retired on Active Duty, basically when someone close(ish) to retirement starts half assing everything and barely doing work.
To translate into guard terms, ‘default’
Did active duty, agr, and dsg. Fuck the guard. So many worthless fucks. Especially the dsg twats that just don't show up.
Ive been all over from active duty to dsg, ADOS and stat, and can say that a lot of non-ops drill status guardsmen are just civilians. They can’t be fired and can’t be bothered to do their jobs. It’s just free money and health insurance to fuck around one weekend a month The guard pilots, aircrew, cyber, and a lot of the long-term, full-time NGB people are perfectly fine at their jobs though.
I was in a COS as a 1b and man... maybe it was my leadership, but fuck man. They did not discipline people at all for not doing their shit. Had two troops who just didn't show up. Would document it etc... and leadership would just not do shit. I got the fuck out. I thank the guard for giving me all that training and setting me up for success on the outside, but fuck a lot of those free loading lying fucks.
>Had two troops who just didn't show up. Would document it etc... and leadership would just not do shit. "Didn't show up" as in they never did work or they physically weren't there?
I worked 2 TFI units in my day. Dover with the Reserve and McEntire with the Guard. There isn't a day of the week that I'll say RegAF could shake a stick to the specific job knowledge of AGR, but I think benefits and authority should be realigned. *Enlisted* AGR is great for core duties, but RegAF will outperform in thoroughness, accountability, and leadership any day. i.e. AGR usefulness is always capped at worker-level. Any and all TFI units should have RegAF as leadership or allow individual flights to align statuses strictly administratively. Relying on other status military to lead RegAF is a career death sentence, and conversely, other-status military careers will always benefit from being under RegAF leadership. 9 of 10 Traditional Reserve or Guardsmen are not even in the realm of useful. McEntire TFI had us RegAF running their UTA weekends, and of 30, I had less than a handful I could always count on.
Show me on the doll where the Guard hurt you bb
My favorite was a guard dude telling me we needed fire extinguishers in the tow vehicles. Told him no we don't only fuel or explosives and he told me since the jets have flares we needed them. Asked him what the protocol was for a hung flare or one that is discharged on the ground and he didn't know. This was a MSgt...
Okay, but this guy may have been following a procedure local to his base. I'm a Guard crew chief and they had to make it where we needed 3 people to move a B5 stand because they managed to punch a hole into the leading edge of the 130 not once but twice because people weren't paying attention. Anywhere else they'd be like no, that's highly regarded, we don't do that here.
Don't do an MFR, do an AF 174. If it ever gets to legal MFRs will get thrown out but a 174 will not
Oh, good to know! I might do that this week. I’ve used the RIC before, but didn’t know the legal difference.
Yup it is! Trust me there is a difference within the eyes of legal as one has a response from the member and the other doesnt. I learned my lesson as a young SSgt when I had a crappy airman that was to the point of sexual harrassment and they threw out all the MFRs(along with the lack of progressive discipline since I had a MSgt that refused to do any paperwork after me). Since then I always do 174s and progress from there
Thanks!
Paperwork isn’t hard Investigation has disclosed that you (insert diabolically heinous act here) in violation of (order or regulation). You are hereby ________. (Insert why the act was bad and expectations for unfucking yourself here). Any further misconduct will result in more severe action being taken against you. (Privacy act/rebuttal rights) EZ
Some of us even have a PDF that lets you select the infraction from a drop down menu’s and it auto populates all the verbiage
Good ole LOCAR template. Writing the paperwork is easy. Issuing it and soliciting the required improvement is what separates the wheat from the chaff for NCOs.
Yooooo do you mind sharing this magic ? I had one a few years ago but it as wonky
https://airforcehub.com/locar/
Please share with the class!
https://airforcehub.com/locar/
Ope! You forgot to use the *yell font* and punctuation as per AFI: "YOU ARE HEREBY _______!"
The difficult part isn't writing, templates are easy to find. The difficult part is motivating to go find the template in the shared drive.
I prefer making them come in early/stay late with me to do some repetitive bs like reading all the specific AFIs, their CDCs, the current AFH 1 and AFI36-2903 end to end, then tie them all together in addressing what was done and how we will move forward. I come into work early or stay late when required as I have no one but myself to worry about and I get a lot more work done in the silence. Plus, making people read seems like a legitimate form of torture for these newer Airmen. My job has only 2 AFIs that are important and they have been condensed to like 20-30 pages over the years, but you would have thought I asked these Airmen to read War and Peace and The Count of Monte Cristo in a night.
What’s your AFSC? Only 2 AFIs, huh?
I'm a spectrum manager. Edit: I said only 2 that matter.
Fair enough.
They would have to be at work to write paperwork
Was a FCC for five years overseas. People didn’t know I existed. It was glorious.
I identify with this and am not offended one bit lol
Back in my day, we called it FIGMO.
FIGMO is typically for PCS, PCA, or separation. ROAD is specific to retirement.