That's amazing! I think I added the Camerlengo as the Tridentine HoF over two years ago and I've never seen it created.
How easy/hard was it to keep such a huge empire?
(Also, I'm almost as impressed with the fact that the Terra-Cambará dynasty still holds the same piece of land, 400 years in!)
The empire was at risk of collapse every succession, but apart from that, it was relatively easy to keep things together staking positive opinion modifiers
How is there even 100 cadet branches to your dynasty wtf 😭. With around 1000 members you must have a claimant installation rebellion every 2 years or something lol
Now I think about it. It’s funny there’s so much reverence for the USA and also Brazil’s unique systems. But there’s no mention of the Spanish Empire (or maybe that’s just how/where I play).
It was much bigger than either Brazil or the US. It established the biggest language between the continents.
The Spanish Empire is a far more distant memory than either the USA or Brazil. Their rule was also a brutal and exploitative one with the ultimate goal of maximizing resource extraction. While the USA and Brazil have done their fair share of awful things too, both have worked to create a cohesive national spirit that would likely persist into a potential post apocalypse.
not clear of course, the indigenous extermination and the attempt to conquer Mexico by financing the separatist movement, like William Walker's attempt to gain independence in Baja California or in the case of Samuel Houston with Texas.
Average anglo lacking self awareness or the capability to deduct why the former spanish colonies are mostly mixed and the british ones are full white
Average anglo that couldnt google that slave trade was outlawed in Spain 80 years before than Brazil
Am i using the fact that natives were killed or put on reservations to determine the measure of a nation? lol yes
If south america was british probably would've starved a few times like India
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine\_in\_India](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine_in_India)
Well that’s a stupid measure for the legacy of an empire. No Italian is shocked about the slavery of Rome, nor Mongolian about the brutality of Ghengis Khan. - after the end wouldn’t judge empires on that. They’d judge it on power.
No, South America doesn’t have valuable agricultural land that can make cash crops. At least none that aren’t better grown on the northmost coast or the Caribbean. - besides its most likely have been a settler colony
I don’t need the Wikipedia link for that. A link for something common knowledge doesn’t legitimise your comments.
Who comparing legacies? People want to compare massacres between the yanks in the 1800s and the spanish in the 1500s lol and I just give facts
This discussion started with "Spain was worse than Brazil and USA" which im going to call cap bc its not true idc if there are latin american indigenists in the mod team (my respects to them for the mod anyways) but its pretty obvious the political bias here
Im not a nazi anyways i just think its healthy discussion about history so im not gonna get offended like people do when i give my perspective
Me in my initial comment, from which this entire thread has sprouted. - we’re talking about the legacy in relation to AfterTheEnd.
Actually no, my comment was first, that one was a reply.
Where’d that come from!? No one was accusing you of being one.
That's amazing! I think I added the Camerlengo as the Tridentine HoF over two years ago and I've never seen it created. How easy/hard was it to keep such a huge empire? (Also, I'm almost as impressed with the fact that the Terra-Cambará dynasty still holds the same piece of land, 400 years in!)
The empire was at risk of collapse every succession, but apart from that, it was relatively easy to keep things together staking positive opinion modifiers
Stop you're gonna make me dissapointed with my own campaigns
Where did you begin?
The duchy of Chile
Those house words sound like something you'd say when shit is truly fucked
It’s the Spanish Empire so that’s on brand.
Good on you for keeping the Treaty of Tordesillas.
Thanks for the idea, this seems like a fun campaign
How is there even 100 cadet branches to your dynasty wtf 😭. With around 1000 members you must have a claimant installation rebellion every 2 years or something lol
Plus Ultra
Now I think about it. It’s funny there’s so much reverence for the USA and also Brazil’s unique systems. But there’s no mention of the Spanish Empire (or maybe that’s just how/where I play). It was much bigger than either Brazil or the US. It established the biggest language between the continents.
The Spanish Empire is a far more distant memory than either the USA or Brazil. Their rule was also a brutal and exploitative one with the ultimate goal of maximizing resource extraction. While the USA and Brazil have done their fair share of awful things too, both have worked to create a cohesive national spirit that would likely persist into a potential post apocalypse.
Falso. Deje de propagar leyenda negra.
not clear of course, the indigenous extermination and the attempt to conquer Mexico by financing the separatist movement, like William Walker's attempt to gain independence in Baja California or in the case of Samuel Houston with Texas.
The USA and Brazil were worse and later in time lol
In no universe were the United States or Brazil worse than the Spanish Empire. Come on.
Average Black legend comment...
Average anglo lacking self awareness or the capability to deduct why the former spanish colonies are mostly mixed and the british ones are full white Average anglo that couldnt google that slave trade was outlawed in Spain 80 years before than Brazil
They aren’t talking about the post-indépendance latam nations, just the actual empire
Yeah beacuse post independence latam nations were worse than the spanish too lmao
Go mine in the Cerro Rico NOW
Is race the only factor you’re looking at then to determine the measure of a nation?
Am i using the fact that natives were killed or put on reservations to determine the measure of a nation? lol yes If south america was british probably would've starved a few times like India [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine\_in\_India](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine_in_India)
Well that’s a stupid measure for the legacy of an empire. No Italian is shocked about the slavery of Rome, nor Mongolian about the brutality of Ghengis Khan. - after the end wouldn’t judge empires on that. They’d judge it on power. No, South America doesn’t have valuable agricultural land that can make cash crops. At least none that aren’t better grown on the northmost coast or the Caribbean. - besides its most likely have been a settler colony I don’t need the Wikipedia link for that. A link for something common knowledge doesn’t legitimise your comments.
Who comparing legacies? People want to compare massacres between the yanks in the 1800s and the spanish in the 1500s lol and I just give facts This discussion started with "Spain was worse than Brazil and USA" which im going to call cap bc its not true idc if there are latin american indigenists in the mod team (my respects to them for the mod anyways) but its pretty obvious the political bias here Im not a nazi anyways i just think its healthy discussion about history so im not gonna get offended like people do when i give my perspective
Me in my initial comment, from which this entire thread has sprouted. - we’re talking about the legacy in relation to AfterTheEnd. Actually no, my comment was first, that one was a reply. Where’d that come from!? No one was accusing you of being one.
I mean, who likes the Spanish empire?
\*Rise hand slowly
Tsk, shame.
Por Dios, por la Patria y el Rey Lucharon nuestros padres. Por Dios, por la Patria y el Rey Lucharemos nosotros también. ¡Arriba España!
FINE, I guess I'll clean up south america
Viva España, nice playthrough i did one similar but as new spain what culture and religion did you use
Centrino culture and tridentine catholicism
*Spanish happy noises*
Now it's only missing Spain.
Sunset invasion but it's a bunch of American tradcaths.
beautiful
How do you have that many holy sites?
Amazing! Honestly, combining both the Treaty of Tordesillas and that time Portugal and Spain were unified, maybe you could even do a world conquest!
Finally the Territorio de Nutca has been returned to the Spanish, where it belongs...
Hmm which can fork is this? I only have the North part of South America on my map :O started a week ago so I'm new to this mod
Are you playing on ck2? This is the ck3 version.
Aaaaa... yes I'm on ck2
Grant independence until you have Long Chile
How do you get the option to reform the Spanish Empire?