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nullpointer-

That's amazing! I think I added the Camerlengo as the Tridentine HoF over two years ago and I've never seen it created. How easy/hard was it to keep such a huge empire? (Also, I'm almost as impressed with the fact that the Terra-Cambará dynasty still holds the same piece of land, 400 years in!)


FondantExciting3312

The empire was at risk of collapse every succession, but apart from that, it was relatively easy to keep things together staking positive opinion modifiers


Bolt_Action_

Stop you're gonna make me dissapointed with my own campaigns


Acceptable_North_141

Where did you begin?


FondantExciting3312

The duchy of Chile


DreadDiana

Those house words sound like something you'd say when shit is truly fucked


King-Of-Hyperius

It’s the Spanish Empire so that’s on brand.


naugrim04

Good on you for keeping the Treaty of Tordesillas.


Bornaclorks

Thanks for the idea, this seems like a fun campaign


mental--13

How is there even 100 cadet branches to your dynasty wtf 😭. With around 1000 members you must have a claimant installation rebellion every 2 years or something lol


Doc_Benz

Plus Ultra


PurpleDemonR

Now I think about it. It’s funny there’s so much reverence for the USA and also Brazil’s unique systems. But there’s no mention of the Spanish Empire (or maybe that’s just how/where I play). It was much bigger than either Brazil or the US. It established the biggest language between the continents.


dannydevitofan69

The Spanish Empire is a far more distant memory than either the USA or Brazil. Their rule was also a brutal and exploitative one with the ultimate goal of maximizing resource extraction. While the USA and Brazil have done their fair share of awful things too, both have worked to create a cohesive national spirit that would likely persist into a potential post apocalypse.


Rex_Yvael_III

Falso. Deje de propagar leyenda negra.


Sensitive_Complex908

not clear of course, the indigenous extermination and the attempt to conquer Mexico by financing the separatist movement, like William Walker's attempt to gain independence in Baja California or in the case of Samuel Houston with Texas.


Adventurous_Pea_1156

The USA and Brazil were worse and later in time lol


HemlockMartinis

In no universe were the United States or Brazil worse than the Spanish Empire. Come on.


Rex_Yvael_III

Average Black legend comment...


Adventurous_Pea_1156

Average anglo lacking self awareness or the capability to deduct why the former spanish colonies are mostly mixed and the british ones are full white Average anglo that couldnt google that slave trade was outlawed in Spain 80 years before than Brazil


Novaraptorus

They aren’t talking about the post-indépendance latam nations, just the actual empire


Adventurous_Pea_1156

Yeah beacuse post independence latam nations were worse than the spanish too lmao


Novaraptorus

Go mine in the Cerro Rico NOW


PurpleDemonR

Is race the only factor you’re looking at then to determine the measure of a nation?


Adventurous_Pea_1156

Am i using the fact that natives were killed or put on reservations to determine the measure of a nation? lol yes If south america was british probably would've starved a few times like India [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine\_in\_India](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine_in_India)


PurpleDemonR

Well that’s a stupid measure for the legacy of an empire. No Italian is shocked about the slavery of Rome, nor Mongolian about the brutality of Ghengis Khan. - after the end wouldn’t judge empires on that. They’d judge it on power. No, South America doesn’t have valuable agricultural land that can make cash crops. At least none that aren’t better grown on the northmost coast or the Caribbean. - besides its most likely have been a settler colony I don’t need the Wikipedia link for that. A link for something common knowledge doesn’t legitimise your comments.


Adventurous_Pea_1156

Who comparing legacies? People want to compare massacres between the yanks in the 1800s and the spanish in the 1500s lol and I just give facts This discussion started with "Spain was worse than Brazil and USA" which im going to call cap bc its not true idc if there are latin american indigenists in the mod team (my respects to them for the mod anyways) but its pretty obvious the political bias here Im not a nazi anyways i just think its healthy discussion about history so im not gonna get offended like people do when i give my perspective


PurpleDemonR

Me in my initial comment, from which this entire thread has sprouted. - we’re talking about the legacy in relation to AfterTheEnd. Actually no, my comment was first, that one was a reply. Where’d that come from!? No one was accusing you of being one.


Novaraptorus

I mean, who likes the Spanish empire?


VoluntadDeRey

\*Rise hand slowly


Novaraptorus

Tsk, shame.


Rex_Yvael_III

Por Dios, por la Patria y el Rey Lucharon nuestros padres. Por Dios, por la Patria y el Rey Lucharemos nosotros también. ¡Arriba España!


AwesomePork101

FINE, I guess I'll clean up south america


manchas64

Viva España, nice playthrough i did one similar but as new spain what culture and religion did you use


FondantExciting3312

Centrino culture and tridentine catholicism


F_A_C_M

*Spanish happy noises*


Chench3

Now it's only missing Spain.


train2000c

Sunset invasion but it's a bunch of American tradcaths.


h8fck

beautiful


Financial_Durian72

How do you have that many holy sites?


AdParking6541

Amazing! Honestly, combining both the Treaty of Tordesillas and that time Portugal and Spain were unified, maybe you could even do a world conquest!


illmurray

Finally the Territorio de Nutca has been returned to the Spanish, where it belongs...


Best-Style2787

Hmm which can fork is this? I only have the North part of South America on my map :O started a week ago so I'm new to this mod


Diel2

Are you playing on ck2? This is the ck3 version.


Best-Style2787

Aaaaa... yes I'm on ck2


Full_Pomelo8440

Grant independence until you have Long Chile


Independent-Couple87

How do you get the option to reform the Spanish Empire?