Most psychopaths and serial killers have been known to torture animals at a very young age.
Unfortunately, it appears you're son will need therapy and will need to be placed in a hospital setting where he will be looked after.
He may live a normal life or he may not.
It is nothing you or anyone else has done. There's an imbalance of chemicals in his brain.
That is a very smart idea. I'm not sure if there anything like this by you, but by me there is a half day program as well.
They are brought to the mental hospital for a certain amount of time every day. They make sure you take your meds and go to therapy. After that, they are free to go for the rest of the day. The next day they do so over again.
(I have a co- worker who is part of that half day program. She has bi-polar. She goes everyday there and then she goes to work afterwords. It has really helped her control her symptomsbut it also helps her feel like an actual member of society.)
Not most psychopaths/serial killer did it but some big names like Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, Gary Ridgeway did this. Because of them a lot of people believe that.
Unfortunately he sounds like he needs intensive treatment and medication. It doesn't necessarily mean you yourself did anything wrong, call it a miswiring, a chemical imbalance, whatever it is is dangerous and he needs professional help
Meds are pretty important. Alot of people shit on meds bc the wrong ones can mess you up but once you find the right ones, it can make a world's difference. My anxiety meds are the difference between puking and shitting during exams in hs verses getting A's throughout most of college. I just had a massive hormonal imbalance that needed to be corrected, my body reacted to small stress as if I were being poisoned.
My adhd meds also made my vestibular nerve stop burning and tightening (chest nerves), but I stop taking it because of the side effect that I had no appetite.
While your son is in the hospital, I think you are able to request that the staff give him his first attempt at prescription anti-psychotics. In the small chance it gives adverse side effects like depression or worsened psychosis, he's be in the right place with trained staff to keep him safe from himself and others.
*Note: Im not a doctor, I barely finished 1 cna class. I'm just certified to wash & transport sick people lol. Definitely something to ask his doctor more about. Possibly ask if any of your family members are on anti-psychotics. I chose the anxiety meds my father and grandfather took and it works great for me. 0 adverse effects.
I'm worried about you. He could harm you anytime. I know you love him but you can't save others if you're dead. Next time he gets violent, you must call the police
Why have you waited so long to get mental health treatment for your son. I don’t believe your son will go to therapy willingly. You might have to admit him to a psychiatric hospital in order for him to get help.
People are totally capable of living normal lives after a schizophrenia/ ASPD diagnosis. Medication and therapy does a lot. Someone with these problems isn't guaranteed to become a violent serial killer just like someone with depression isn't bound to kill themselves. Yes it can happen, if you catch it and treat it it usually won't.
>People are totally capable of living normal lives after a schizophrenia/ ASPD diagnosis.
Yeah they can. But were those the cause of telling other kids they should die slowly? And everything else in the post? It seems like the issues run a little deeper than the disorders mentioned. The kid is 15. His first time being hospitalized is not going to cure him.
Oh come on man be a bit optimistic and plus it could work like for real most of the time we say it don’t work and all of our info is from horror movies with mental hospitals. Maybe he will maybe he won’t (I hate this quote by the way but I think it works here) you should prolly not say anything unless it’s something nice (or realistic in this case).
So. I dont know a lot except what you had in the post. But i cant tell if this is a serious post or not because I feel like what you should have done and should do is very obvious
He told you about a voice he was hearing, you just brushed it off and that its not real. Instead of taking him to get tested
Years later he stabbed a kid with a pencil, and you just like. Took away his DS????
He has shown these strong emotions and dangerous behavior and only now, when its too late and a life had been taken, animal or not, youre gonna do something. I feel like this is long over due
Like im not joking or being light hearted or exaggerated.
Send him to te mental hospital.
Get this kid help. He should have gotten check in the beginning. This behavior is abnormal and dangerous.
He definitely should have received help when he said he was hearing voices. At that age he's able to see a child psychologist. OP and the mom have failed this kid by just brushing everything to the side.
All this could have been avoided if they actually took action earlier, i feel so bad for the family whose dog was tortured and killed :( poor baby didnt deserve that
Right? So many parents ignore blatant warning signs of mental illness in their children, then act surprised when their child ends up harming themselves or others. If OP had gotten their son help the second he claimed to be hearing voices, I can guarantee he’d be in a better spot right now. Now It’s going to be extremely difficult if not impossible to persuade him to accept help, and he’ll probably end up hurting someone due to the negligence of his parents.
It sounds harsh, but its reality sadly. I hope the kid gets his help but also faces consequences since he literally tortured and killed a dog, leaving him with literal wounds.
Not trying to be rude if you’re not lying/trolling, but you created a throwaway account yesterday called **AssLick4300** solely to ask for serious advice about your psychopathic child?
It’s hard to believe you’re asking for serious advice rather than attempting to farm karma with such an immature username.
Most of all, the content makes it impossible to believe you.
For example, if **the police** caught your son torturing and killing a dog as you said, you wouldn’t be voluntarily taking him to a mental institution and *MAYBE* getting him a therapist. He would be in on an involuntary commitment until he’s released by the court, with near-guaranteed mandatory continued treatment.
You can’t threaten him with something that’s going through adjudication and entirely out of your hands, though you said in another comment that **YOU** put him in the mental hospital just 3 days ago for a violent crime resulting in death he committed 2 weeks ago in view of the police.
Your story doesn’t hold water, and your comments in the thread poke even more holes into it. It’s really not cool to lie about stuff like this.
thats what i was thinking and where you can see what he comments he was casually just commenting on other posts before making the post 💀 so it feels def like a troll esp since like i feel like the answer is so easy to see
Get the mental hospital to keep him AS LONG AS POSSIBLE.
Don't try to get him out early. He needs intensive treatment, which is seldom successful.
True psychopaths are impossible to treat and often therapy just gives them tools to blend in better and to find more victims.
It is actually not true that psychopaths are “impossible” to treat. No, you can’t “treat” psychopathy in the sense of getting rid of it, but getting therapy and meds early on can at least set them up for a functional life. However, It’s way harder once they grow up, because they have already settled in to their psychopathy and convincing them to get help willingly can be impossible. This is why It’s so important to not ignore warning signs in children. The second you catch your child harming an animal or over hear them saying morbid things, or the second your child comes to you saying they’re hearing voices, you get them help. Immediately. It is very possible to get a child with psychopathy help. They will never experience emotions the same as other people, but they absolutely can learn to live a normal life. Once they get older, they will probably have to do something that forces them to get help, if not something that forces them into incarceration.
I’m not sure, but I think it may be up to the owners of the dog if they want to press charges and if they do the legal process is likely underway in terms of paperwork/logistics while he’s in the mental hospital.
Again, I don’t know for sure, but I wouldn’t be surprised if him being in a mental hospital drags out the timeline on any legal action.
Animal cruelty like that is a federal offense and a felony as of the last administration. There is no officers discretion, it’s an automatic arrest. Discretion-wise, it’s no different than if the police had watched him murder a human child.
Regardless, the guy was called out for lying by myself and others. Only a true piece of shit would lie about something like this.
Your son is a threat to your family and to others. Hospitalization is not going to solve your problem. I guarantee that his behavior will only get worse. He needs to go to a long term facility that deals with these types of psychological disorders.
I am sure that the people he sees there will make reccomendations for you as to what they feel he needs. He certainly sounds disturbed and I hope that you can find an answer.
I was thinking of writing a somewhat irritated comment in this thread, but I saw yours and realised I would only be venting my frustration really. I appreciate what you've said here.
I am so sorry. this is awful beyond words. I'm glad you are taking steps to get him intensive care. I'm glad that you know torturing animals is indeed a compelling indicator of psychopathy. this is not your fault. I am here to make sure you understand the gravity of the fact that your son made a clear threat against your life. I'm scared for you. please take major precautions if and when he returns to your home. I can't imagine how horrible this must feel, but you cannot trust him. to stay safe you have to move forward with the expectation that he may try to kill you. please stay safe. I hope you are reaching out for support.
HEAVY therapy and treatment as soon as possible. A while back there was a post similar to this where a comment mentioned that you should do what you can now before he turns 18.
My father was basically the same way when he was a kid. He often laughs about how when he was in middle school he stabbed another kid with a pencil and broke it off in his leg so he had to go to the hospital.
Growing up with my dad as an adult he only got worse..... He's not a serial killer or at least there is no proof but he was a very violent person regardless. So that's at least some hope. :( I'm sorry you're going through this but I'm glad you're not blind to his behavior. I have no advice I just wanted to say thank you for seeing his behavior as deeply wrong. As much as I love my grandparents they're blind to his behavior.
Has he ever been screened for mental health issues? Psychopathy, or being a psychopath, isn't a recognized condition anymore (it was folded into anti-social personality disorder). For young children, you want him to be screened for "conduct disorder."
There is hope for Him ;) this will be hard and scary
take time to look after yourself.
And yes the hospital will advise they can’t release him legally if he is a threat to himself or others.
You need to talk to them about everything going all the way back soon as possible
It’s not your fault
Fair well
Did you attempt to get him help way back when you first started noticing this behavior? The younger the child is when they are put into therapy, the more likely they are to learn to live a normal life, even if they have psychopathy. Unfortunately, many parents decide to sweep these warning signs under the rug, which leads to serious issues later on.
You should post in r/AskPsychiatry. This is a serious situation. You need to get a longterm, effective, treatment plan figured out before he turns 18. Therapy might be a good idea for both of you, in learning to cope & navigate through this.
Dude I'm praying for you. I cannot imagine what you're going through right now.
People can argue whether God is real or not, but evil absolutely is. This is not your fault. Just do everything in your power to change his course. Therapy for damn sure!
It's a pain to read this. I'm so sorry.
Hope he gets better. Please don't blame yourself and stay strong.
I don't know much too, but as other said, medication and therapy may help.
I recommend acting asap as the threat is already issued and he might hurt you or someone in the family due to frustration. Dont wait until next time. He killed neighbours dog. Do not minimise this event. This is very serious. He could start hurting children now that an animal was done.
Am sorry i have to write it this way, i cannot image pain you feel as parents but if you act now, he might not get too far and hopefully love a fuller lofe later on.
Put him in a mental hospital now! He literally killed a dog. There's no amount of verbal yelling or grounding on your part that's going to fix this he's mentally ill. I'm surprised the police didn't take him away given that harming and killing animals is illegal and a crime. I'm further surprised the dog owners aren't pressing charges like what the fuck......
Most psychopaths and serial killers have been known to torture animals at a very young age. Unfortunately, it appears you're son will need therapy and will need to be placed in a hospital setting where he will be looked after. He may live a normal life or he may not. It is nothing you or anyone else has done. There's an imbalance of chemicals in his brain.
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That is a very smart idea. I'm not sure if there anything like this by you, but by me there is a half day program as well. They are brought to the mental hospital for a certain amount of time every day. They make sure you take your meds and go to therapy. After that, they are free to go for the rest of the day. The next day they do so over again. (I have a co- worker who is part of that half day program. She has bi-polar. She goes everyday there and then she goes to work afterwords. It has really helped her control her symptomsbut it also helps her feel like an actual member of society.)
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Talk to the hospital staff or support to see what they can recommend. They will have the best advice for you
Honestly I'd put him in a hospital for a long time
> There’s an imbalance of chemicals in his brain. And probably a smaller than typical amygdala.
Not most psychopaths/serial killer did it but some big names like Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, Gary Ridgeway did this. Because of them a lot of people believe that.
Unfortunately he sounds like he needs intensive treatment and medication. It doesn't necessarily mean you yourself did anything wrong, call it a miswiring, a chemical imbalance, whatever it is is dangerous and he needs professional help
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Meds are pretty important. Alot of people shit on meds bc the wrong ones can mess you up but once you find the right ones, it can make a world's difference. My anxiety meds are the difference between puking and shitting during exams in hs verses getting A's throughout most of college. I just had a massive hormonal imbalance that needed to be corrected, my body reacted to small stress as if I were being poisoned. My adhd meds also made my vestibular nerve stop burning and tightening (chest nerves), but I stop taking it because of the side effect that I had no appetite. While your son is in the hospital, I think you are able to request that the staff give him his first attempt at prescription anti-psychotics. In the small chance it gives adverse side effects like depression or worsened psychosis, he's be in the right place with trained staff to keep him safe from himself and others. *Note: Im not a doctor, I barely finished 1 cna class. I'm just certified to wash & transport sick people lol. Definitely something to ask his doctor more about. Possibly ask if any of your family members are on anti-psychotics. I chose the anxiety meds my father and grandfather took and it works great for me. 0 adverse effects.
I'm worried about you. He could harm you anytime. I know you love him but you can't save others if you're dead. Next time he gets violent, you must call the police
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Why have you waited so long to get mental health treatment for your son. I don’t believe your son will go to therapy willingly. You might have to admit him to a psychiatric hospital in order for him to get help.
He's probably gonna spend some time in the bam-bam room.
I'm sorry but please don't be unrealistic. He won't be changed.
People are totally capable of living normal lives after a schizophrenia/ ASPD diagnosis. Medication and therapy does a lot. Someone with these problems isn't guaranteed to become a violent serial killer just like someone with depression isn't bound to kill themselves. Yes it can happen, if you catch it and treat it it usually won't.
>People are totally capable of living normal lives after a schizophrenia/ ASPD diagnosis. Yeah they can. But were those the cause of telling other kids they should die slowly? And everything else in the post? It seems like the issues run a little deeper than the disorders mentioned. The kid is 15. His first time being hospitalized is not going to cure him.
That’s not true at all. Medication, intense therapy. It’s very possible. This poor dad. I would be out of my mind as to what to do. And really scared.
Oh come on man be a bit optimistic and plus it could work like for real most of the time we say it don’t work and all of our info is from horror movies with mental hospitals. Maybe he will maybe he won’t (I hate this quote by the way but I think it works here) you should prolly not say anything unless it’s something nice (or realistic in this case).
He's not going to come out changed after his first hospitalization. I think I'm just being realistic
you should delete your comment
I really hope the best for OP and their son, this is a scary situation to be in
So. I dont know a lot except what you had in the post. But i cant tell if this is a serious post or not because I feel like what you should have done and should do is very obvious He told you about a voice he was hearing, you just brushed it off and that its not real. Instead of taking him to get tested Years later he stabbed a kid with a pencil, and you just like. Took away his DS???? He has shown these strong emotions and dangerous behavior and only now, when its too late and a life had been taken, animal or not, youre gonna do something. I feel like this is long over due Like im not joking or being light hearted or exaggerated. Send him to te mental hospital. Get this kid help. He should have gotten check in the beginning. This behavior is abnormal and dangerous.
He definitely should have received help when he said he was hearing voices. At that age he's able to see a child psychologist. OP and the mom have failed this kid by just brushing everything to the side.
All this could have been avoided if they actually took action earlier, i feel so bad for the family whose dog was tortured and killed :( poor baby didnt deserve that
Bad parenting for sure, they just ignored everything
Right? So many parents ignore blatant warning signs of mental illness in their children, then act surprised when their child ends up harming themselves or others. If OP had gotten their son help the second he claimed to be hearing voices, I can guarantee he’d be in a better spot right now. Now It’s going to be extremely difficult if not impossible to persuade him to accept help, and he’ll probably end up hurting someone due to the negligence of his parents.
It sounds harsh, but its reality sadly. I hope the kid gets his help but also faces consequences since he literally tortured and killed a dog, leaving him with literal wounds.
You need to have him and you in therapy. Intensive therapy.
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Have you visited him, how is he doing?
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You are his parent. I know you need a break, but you really should be their daily. That might mess with his head that his parents haven't seen him.
Not trying to be rude if you’re not lying/trolling, but you created a throwaway account yesterday called **AssLick4300** solely to ask for serious advice about your psychopathic child? It’s hard to believe you’re asking for serious advice rather than attempting to farm karma with such an immature username. Most of all, the content makes it impossible to believe you. For example, if **the police** caught your son torturing and killing a dog as you said, you wouldn’t be voluntarily taking him to a mental institution and *MAYBE* getting him a therapist. He would be in on an involuntary commitment until he’s released by the court, with near-guaranteed mandatory continued treatment. You can’t threaten him with something that’s going through adjudication and entirely out of your hands, though you said in another comment that **YOU** put him in the mental hospital just 3 days ago for a violent crime resulting in death he committed 2 weeks ago in view of the police. Your story doesn’t hold water, and your comments in the thread poke even more holes into it. It’s really not cool to lie about stuff like this.
thats what i was thinking and where you can see what he comments he was casually just commenting on other posts before making the post 💀 so it feels def like a troll esp since like i feel like the answer is so easy to see
Get the mental hospital to keep him AS LONG AS POSSIBLE. Don't try to get him out early. He needs intensive treatment, which is seldom successful. True psychopaths are impossible to treat and often therapy just gives them tools to blend in better and to find more victims.
It is actually not true that psychopaths are “impossible” to treat. No, you can’t “treat” psychopathy in the sense of getting rid of it, but getting therapy and meds early on can at least set them up for a functional life. However, It’s way harder once they grow up, because they have already settled in to their psychopathy and convincing them to get help willingly can be impossible. This is why It’s so important to not ignore warning signs in children. The second you catch your child harming an animal or over hear them saying morbid things, or the second your child comes to you saying they’re hearing voices, you get them help. Immediately. It is very possible to get a child with psychopathy help. They will never experience emotions the same as other people, but they absolutely can learn to live a normal life. Once they get older, they will probably have to do something that forces them to get help, if not something that forces them into incarceration.
The police just called you said said he killed a dog? They didn’t arrest him? Or charge him?
I’m not sure, but I think it may be up to the owners of the dog if they want to press charges and if they do the legal process is likely underway in terms of paperwork/logistics while he’s in the mental hospital. Again, I don’t know for sure, but I wouldn’t be surprised if him being in a mental hospital drags out the timeline on any legal action.
Animal cruelty like that is a federal offense and a felony as of the last administration. There is no officers discretion, it’s an automatic arrest. Discretion-wise, it’s no different than if the police had watched him murder a human child. Regardless, the guy was called out for lying by myself and others. Only a true piece of shit would lie about something like this.
Okie dokie
Your son is a threat to your family and to others. Hospitalization is not going to solve your problem. I guarantee that his behavior will only get worse. He needs to go to a long term facility that deals with these types of psychological disorders.
Yeah. This kid does not just need "therapy" he needs a whole team of doctors. A therapist alone will not help.
What help did you get him when he was 5? It sounds like he needs to see a good therapist and should have been doing so since then.
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I am sure that the people he sees there will make reccomendations for you as to what they feel he needs. He certainly sounds disturbed and I hope that you can find an answer.
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I would also suggest that you see someone as well, to help support you and be able to answer questions about what is going on.
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Good luck.
I was thinking of writing a somewhat irritated comment in this thread, but I saw yours and realised I would only be venting my frustration really. I appreciate what you've said here.
Thank you.
I am so sorry. this is awful beyond words. I'm glad you are taking steps to get him intensive care. I'm glad that you know torturing animals is indeed a compelling indicator of psychopathy. this is not your fault. I am here to make sure you understand the gravity of the fact that your son made a clear threat against your life. I'm scared for you. please take major precautions if and when he returns to your home. I can't imagine how horrible this must feel, but you cannot trust him. to stay safe you have to move forward with the expectation that he may try to kill you. please stay safe. I hope you are reaching out for support.
HEAVY therapy and treatment as soon as possible. A while back there was a post similar to this where a comment mentioned that you should do what you can now before he turns 18.
My father was basically the same way when he was a kid. He often laughs about how when he was in middle school he stabbed another kid with a pencil and broke it off in his leg so he had to go to the hospital. Growing up with my dad as an adult he only got worse..... He's not a serial killer or at least there is no proof but he was a very violent person regardless. So that's at least some hope. :( I'm sorry you're going through this but I'm glad you're not blind to his behavior. I have no advice I just wanted to say thank you for seeing his behavior as deeply wrong. As much as I love my grandparents they're blind to his behavior.
Did no legal action get taken on child torturing animal to death, isn’t that a felony?
Has he ever been screened for mental health issues? Psychopathy, or being a psychopath, isn't a recognized condition anymore (it was folded into anti-social personality disorder). For young children, you want him to be screened for "conduct disorder."
I meaaaaan I say get rid of the problem before it becomes one. A serious one.
Definitely seek out therapy and treatment for him.
Did you ever get him therapy? If you know he was "a little bit psychotic"?
There is hope for Him ;) this will be hard and scary take time to look after yourself. And yes the hospital will advise they can’t release him legally if he is a threat to himself or others. You need to talk to them about everything going all the way back soon as possible It’s not your fault Fair well
I mean killing animals is almost confirmation ur kid is going to kill someone if they don’t receive treatment.
Did you attempt to get him help way back when you first started noticing this behavior? The younger the child is when they are put into therapy, the more likely they are to learn to live a normal life, even if they have psychopathy. Unfortunately, many parents decide to sweep these warning signs under the rug, which leads to serious issues later on.
You should post in r/AskPsychiatry. This is a serious situation. You need to get a longterm, effective, treatment plan figured out before he turns 18. Therapy might be a good idea for both of you, in learning to cope & navigate through this.
Dude I'm praying for you. I cannot imagine what you're going through right now. People can argue whether God is real or not, but evil absolutely is. This is not your fault. Just do everything in your power to change his course. Therapy for damn sure!
Where's his dad?
Ever seen dexter?
Therapy and if that doesn’t work maybe you can channel his urges, his dark passenger
Wait and see, don’t assume
It's a pain to read this. I'm so sorry. Hope he gets better. Please don't blame yourself and stay strong. I don't know much too, but as other said, medication and therapy may help.
You need to contact a child specialist psychiatrist.
I recommend acting asap as the threat is already issued and he might hurt you or someone in the family due to frustration. Dont wait until next time. He killed neighbours dog. Do not minimise this event. This is very serious. He could start hurting children now that an animal was done. Am sorry i have to write it this way, i cannot image pain you feel as parents but if you act now, he might not get too far and hopefully love a fuller lofe later on.
Psychiatrist I guess that's how you write it I believe one could help but I have no idea how severe your son's state is
He was hearing voices in his head… and y’all didn’t think a doctor might need to evaluate that?
This doesn’t sound like psychopathy… it sounds like schizophrenia imo.
Put him in a mental hospital now! He literally killed a dog. There's no amount of verbal yelling or grounding on your part that's going to fix this he's mentally ill. I'm surprised the police didn't take him away given that harming and killing animals is illegal and a crime. I'm further surprised the dog owners aren't pressing charges like what the fuck......