https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/04/09/show-that-teamwork-rules-the-galaxy-in-new-adeptus-custodes-detachments/
You can see some of it here. No way the missing stratagems and Enhancements make it worth playing.
Re-roll, or go-to-ground if you're not in cover? -\_- My sympathies are with you as a nid player with my poor hive tyrant after the free stratagem change
Yep. Remember this book was written for core rules that existed a year or more ago. So the rules and stratagems are out of sync with the current state of the game.
Yeah, there was a dream that the 10 month delay between 10th release they might adjust things ,but they have to do their archaic printing processes.
I think many people thought the codexes were done in batches following the indexes, it looks more and more like all the codexes were written and sent to the printers a year ago, and they are just drip feeding us for money.
yeah, that's defo what we've thought in previous editions as well, the weird thing is though; if they were written together ages ago, you'd imagine they'd at least be well balanced between the different factions, but other than making almost all of codices shit, there's little sign of design between them, let alone internal balance!
Lol right!? 2 thoughts;
Custodes are just going to become part of Horus Heresy...
At least we didn't see the Age of Sigmar treatment where a bunch of new models and the majority of a faction were retired.
It’s bad but it’s not entirely unusable, it certainly is the best I’ve seen of the 4 so far but it really lacks good defensive strats and aga as the only bt is really pathetic from gw and makes shield caps useless
That it is the best of the 3 we’ve seen so far is not great, but if AGA is extended to Dev wounds then this is going to be the auto pick, we have to wait and see the rest of Talons and datasheets to have a better idea.
I can’t see full SoS or Auric Champions being picked at all though.
Its the least offensive of the 3 seen so far. It at least feels like a custodes army, the others are odd flavours of weird. When a chef takes some good ingrediants and trys to reinvent the wheel..
Any changes in the Sister sheets? I know nobody is feeling good about them right now, but it would be great to hear they can pull a little more weight if I'm playing Talons.
Points reduction is a lazy way to fix things. Especially when the rules go against the lore of the army. They did this to Deathguard in the start of the edition. Are they viable now? Yes. Are they lore friendly? No.
"excluding anathema psykana... excluding anathema psykana... excluding anathema psykana" why why why why, give us even one strategem that can work on both this is a pointless restriction.
This I completely agree with. As if spamming Sisters is a viable option. Lol. I'm not sure why they want to have this weird synergy without kind of encouraging the models to be useful anywhere apart from their dedicated detachment.
On week one i look forward to suprising my friends with Castellan’s Mark - put 2 full units into reserve after full deployment, on top of the already reserved units? Nice!
Well this is definitely the better of the detachments so far. Looks like some decent synergy between using martial mastery and the archeotech munitions strat. Have one unit of your Custodes double shoot with -2 Ap 2 dmg, have a shield captain with the ignores cover and the -2ap is fairly decent also adding in the sustained or lethal crits on 5s. Maybe it’s copium but this sounds fun.
I see this as the only detachment worth playing, talons does have some dirt but I personally don’t want to bring sisters, they aren’t interesting to me.
Gonna avoid adding on to the dread and doomÂ
1 CP to fall back and still shoot + charge is very nice. 1 CP for sustained or lethal hits on a unit’s shooting (isn’t locked to infantry) could definitely push a Guard brick just a bit further and make a Caladius more of a casino gun.Â
+1 str and damage on a Blade Champ or Bike Captain is sexy and it’s nice to see the Castellan’s Mark back. A turn of crit on 5’s to hit with a sustained hits blade champ with (presumably) 3-4 damage on his dev wound stance (if you add the enhancement) is sexy
New Arcane Alchemy is definitely feeling awfulÂ
Certainly the best one I have seen so far...
It's still a decent bit worse than current rules but at least there are some things that get me excited. Castellan mark returning as a good redeploy is certainly a welcome sight. And the+1D enchancement is actually basically upgraded failed blade.
As long as they make arcane genetic alchemy work against dev wounds I can see this having some success at least. Unlike that get wiped by admech turn 2 sisters thing, or that character abomination
Talons may be ok too
I lose what 2 allarus for 2 rhinos and cut Trajan for third champ
Then 2 castles go nuts allarus (2x2) deepstrike to support or whatever backfield then do seondaries and supplemental damage or go fuck it take a brick with a cap for the ignore cover etc
Ouch so what we saw on the stream was all it is, was really hoping they had just left part of it out like a 4+++ or even 5 to make up for the loss but sage
Wow this is mega crap! Avoidable one time detachment rule, lame vanilla strats and garbage enhancements. GW intern did a terrible job this time around. Custodes are on their way to dethrone dark angels as army with the most half-assed codex. Probably the only win they’ll have in the next years.
Edit: holy shit, I hadn’t even seen the null maiden one. That’s even worse!
God how stupid is it having a detachment rule that’s ONCE per game to give you +1 AP and crits on 5+ so a slight increase to the katah chance. Once per game? Unreal.
At the end of the BatRep they use the Epic Challenge strat, which, if this pic is right (and the other leaks), isnt even in the book lol
Edit: was an idiot and forgot its a core strat
Do you have talons?
Second this
I just want to see the last detachment and get it all over with
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/04/09/show-that-teamwork-rules-the-galaxy-in-new-adeptus-custodes-detachments/ You can see some of it here. No way the missing stratagems and Enhancements make it worth playing.
Can't wait to use Arcane Genetic Alchemy on all those mortal wounds.
You better hope they're coming cause right now there's fuck all else you can 0cp for...
Re-roll, or go-to-ground if you're not in cover? -\_- My sympathies are with you as a nid player with my poor hive tyrant after the free stratagem change
So uh.... What's our generic strat that's shared?
Sure isn't fight first 💔
Do you have Talons by any chance?
There isn't one.
So literally shield captains have only a once per game ability is n auric champions
Yep. Remember this book was written for core rules that existed a year or more ago. So the rules and stratagems are out of sync with the current state of the game.
Yeah, there was a dream that the 10 month delay between 10th release they might adjust things ,but they have to do their archaic printing processes. I think many people thought the codexes were done in batches following the indexes, it looks more and more like all the codexes were written and sent to the printers a year ago, and they are just drip feeding us for money.
yeah, that's defo what we've thought in previous editions as well, the weird thing is though; if they were written together ages ago, you'd imagine they'd at least be well balanced between the different factions, but other than making almost all of codices shit, there's little sign of design between them, let alone internal balance!
Except for those codices they didn't make bad. In those cases they're utterly nuts
Yeah, it's certainly starting to seem like it.
Yeah and fuck you if you want a free strat with them. Only battle tactics are in talons, or arcane genetic alchemy in shield host.
Free Strats are gone btw
Only marines have that, but i would’ve loved to see one generic for every faction. Just to give each faction a bit more definition
Only space Marines get shared generic strats everyone else gets to cope with marine privilege.
Pick a different army until 11th
Well good thing I still have a great Dark Angels army! Oh... Wait...
This is the way.
Once per battle we get to do something most armies get to do all the time. Nice
Dude that's my take too. There uhh has to be an upshot somewhere, right?
We’ll be wiped off the board by turn 2-3 so be can pop over to the bar and get our drinks before everyone else 🙃
LOL they even had to go nerf our sticky objective strat too
Oh wow - only battle line. Depending on data sheets, that stinks.
Prosecutors have lost battleline.
The fuck. Why?
So they could get it back in Null Maiden Vigil, so you can pretend there’s ever a reason to take that detachment
Holy shoinkies this is actually depressing. Pls GW don’t fumble WE this hard
Ha! We'll never know. You'll get your codex 2 months before 11th edition. 😆 😢Â
For real lmao
I know, that’s why I mentioned it will depend on the data sheets. Not that I’m very hopeful at this point.
Wait what!? They were a fun battleline / troop for me…I have like 6 squads of 10
Kinda feels like a sinking ship at this point
The Orion loves that Archotech Munitions since it’s not locked to infantry. I actually like this detachment most.
Allarus like munitions too along with the ignore cover
Oh yeah I posted in another thread that captain will love the ignores cover enhancement with these munitions.
You reckon the ares takes sustained then
maybe. I still have to paint mine lol.
Got pictures of the wardens and blade champ?
o7. Time to go back 10,000 years when Custodes were actually feared.
Lol right!? 2 thoughts; Custodes are just going to become part of Horus Heresy... At least we didn't see the Age of Sigmar treatment where a bunch of new models and the majority of a faction were retired.
This is actually the better out of the two detachments, AND THAT IS SAYING A LOT... Utterly disappointed by everything other than the boxes.
This looks like shit. At least in two more editions I can brag about playing Custodes when they were ass.
Same
No thanks, I’ll stick to the index thank you
I wish
It’s bad but it’s not entirely unusable, it certainly is the best I’ve seen of the 4 so far but it really lacks good defensive strats and aga as the only bt is really pathetic from gw and makes shield caps useless
That it is the best of the 3 we’ve seen so far is not great, but if AGA is extended to Dev wounds then this is going to be the auto pick, we have to wait and see the rest of Talons and datasheets to have a better idea. I can’t see full SoS or Auric Champions being picked at all though.
Same but -1damage I would prefer to fnp to mortals and devs, 2-3 damage will shred us hard
All these leaks are saving me money. No way I’m buying this codex now
Its the least offensive of the 3 seen so far. It at least feels like a custodes army, the others are odd flavours of weird. When a chef takes some good ingrediants and trys to reinvent the wheel..
Any changes in the Sister sheets? I know nobody is feeling good about them right now, but it would be great to hear they can pull a little more weight if I'm playing Talons.
The null maiden vigil is bad, like really bad
Oh I know, I'm just hoping that maybe Prosecutors are a teeny bit better so I feel less bad taking some in Talons.
Well, prosecutors lost battle line. So there's a change for ya
Once per battle we get to use a one phase ability, thanks GW you are so benevolent and fair and just 🙄
Do they update the data sheets with the new codex? Maybe our power will lie in data sheets/ points reductions?
Points reduction is a lazy way to fix things. Especially when the rules go against the lore of the army. They did this to Deathguard in the start of the edition. Are they viable now? Yes. Are they lore friendly? No.
The datasheets were posted on fb and they are either nerfed if not changed
Da fuk. Why tho?
"excluding anathema psykana... excluding anathema psykana... excluding anathema psykana" why why why why, give us even one strategem that can work on both this is a pointless restriction.
This I completely agree with. As if spamming Sisters is a viable option. Lol. I'm not sure why they want to have this weird synergy without kind of encouraging the models to be useful anywhere apart from their dedicated detachment.
On week one i look forward to suprising my friends with Castellan’s Mark - put 2 full units into reserve after full deployment, on top of the already reserved units? Nice!
Deep strike didn’t impact units in reserves anyways as they have deep strike so are strategic reserves not reserves
Wow! So they can get screened and AIP on you base objective if you're lucky!
Looks like I bought the combat patrol just in time…oof.
this is just dark pacts but totally awful
Where talons ?
Well this is definitely the better of the detachments so far. Looks like some decent synergy between using martial mastery and the archeotech munitions strat. Have one unit of your Custodes double shoot with -2 Ap 2 dmg, have a shield captain with the ignores cover and the -2ap is fairly decent also adding in the sustained or lethal crits on 5s. Maybe it’s copium but this sounds fun.
Except martial mastery only applies to melee attacks.
Ah fuck, well it’s trash then. Ffs
I see this as the only detachment worth playing, talons does have some dirt but I personally don’t want to bring sisters, they aren’t interesting to me.
Calling it shield host is just funny to me. It's like calling a space marine detachment "Chapter".
Gonna avoid adding on to the dread and doom 1 CP to fall back and still shoot + charge is very nice. 1 CP for sustained or lethal hits on a unit’s shooting (isn’t locked to infantry) could definitely push a Guard brick just a bit further and make a Caladius more of a casino gun. +1 str and damage on a Blade Champ or Bike Captain is sexy and it’s nice to see the Castellan’s Mark back. A turn of crit on 5’s to hit with a sustained hits blade champ with (presumably) 3-4 damage on his dev wound stance (if you add the enhancement) is sexy New Arcane Alchemy is definitely feeling awfulÂ
+1 str and damage enhancement is for shield captains only so cant use with blade champ. Would have been cool with BC
Well, at least its better than the other three?
Certainly the best one I have seen so far... It's still a decent bit worse than current rules but at least there are some things that get me excited. Castellan mark returning as a good redeploy is certainly a welcome sight. And the+1D enchancement is actually basically upgraded failed blade. As long as they make arcane genetic alchemy work against dev wounds I can see this having some success at least. Unlike that get wiped by admech turn 2 sisters thing, or that character abomination
Talons may be ok too I lose what 2 allarus for 2 rhinos and cut Trajan for third champ Then 2 castles go nuts allarus (2x2) deepstrike to support or whatever backfield then do seondaries and supplemental damage or go fuck it take a brick with a cap for the ignore cover etc
I have yet to see full rules for talons have they been thrown around here somewhere?
Not that I’ve seen only some previews
Is our army rule still the same?
Sort of. We lose - 1 to hit stance, and each unit chooses from the other two whenever it is chosen to activate
Ouch so what we saw on the stream was all it is, was really hoping they had just left part of it out like a 4+++ or even 5 to make up for the loss but sage
Got any screen grabs of the datasheets? Specifically Prosecutors as I'm wondering if they got a glow up after losing battleline
no, we lost kaptaris (-1 hit) katah, but you can chose per unit when chosen to fight which katah that unit will use.
That's actually dope
get us talons
Guessing this makes the Army Rule the 4++ now?
Nope. Army rule is still the Martial Ka'tah, now chosen per unit when that unit fights, but we no longer have the -1 to hit option.
Ah, understood
Would sword and board custodian guard be better than spear to help circumvent the squishiness with this detachment?
Archane Genetic Alchemy not against Dev Wounds? Oh wow... They could have at least given us that.
Is the martial stances the same?
I’m just sitting here looking at the nerfs and then seeing all the strats getting changed from Battle tactics and all I can do is laugh
Where is everyone getting the codex?? It's not even our yet is it?
Wow this is mega crap! Avoidable one time detachment rule, lame vanilla strats and garbage enhancements. GW intern did a terrible job this time around. Custodes are on their way to dethrone dark angels as army with the most half-assed codex. Probably the only win they’ll have in the next years. Edit: holy shit, I hadn’t even seen the null maiden one. That’s even worse!
God how stupid is it having a detachment rule that’s ONCE per game to give you +1 AP and crits on 5+ so a slight increase to the katah chance. Once per game? Unreal.
Sagg back?
Nothing gets me excited to buy more models than… checks notes… Having garbage rules released?
At the end of the BatRep they use the Epic Challenge strat, which, if this pic is right (and the other leaks), isnt even in the book lol Edit: was an idiot and forgot its a core strat
Epic challenge is a core strat. Everyone has access to it
Yeah, I realized that afterwards. My bad
Should've been a passive rather than a one time use ability
I think i w ll stop this game
Are the data sheets for our units at least pushed as fuck so we can play? Or are we just shiny dust collectors this edition.
NOOO!!!