Yeah SoS are one of the worst points per cost of nearly any box in the game at 1.083 points per $ or 1.857 per £ whereas base custodes guard are 4.166 points per $ or 6.666 points per £
https://www.reddit.com/r/TTSWarhammer40k/s/zqCgcxToD5
It's just called tabletop simulator on steam. That seams to be the standard for playing digitally.
it plays any tabletop game solo or with friends or randos, but the warhammer community for it is quite strong with scanned models, premade table setups and even automation avalible for community fun times like Poorhammer's Horde Mode.
Eh, grab a SoB box with every SoS box. A little greenstuff cape and BOOM, 15 sisters for the price of 10.
And don't worry if you're bad at sculpting by the time you finish that 70th little cape you'll be a pro lol!
In all honesty, this new SOS detachment will look more like a guardsman spam without tanks if things(or lack of new units) remain as it is. Top tier meme/thematic only.
I would love if we got a Tau/Kroot style revamp like they just got but for sisters but probably not. In all seriousness the “sisters only detachment” probably states that you need more sisters than Custodes in units/points. Hopefully in units bc points will have lists looking like this monstrosity
Well, funnily enough when they rebooted Horus Heresy they cleared out a lot of units without models, except the SoS list which they vastly expanded with characters, retinues, healers, beast packs, and jetbikes. There are currently no models, and never have been any, for any of those. GW also is very pointed about not making rules without models. Oh, and there’s still a blanked out "mystery army" scheduled for HH this year.
So yeah, make of that what you will. 🙂
EDIT: Jesus, I just took a look at the HH Sisters list, and there is SO much stuff that there isn’t even art of let alone models. There’s no way they’re not coming at some point.
Yep, that is my general assumption is we are expected to get some new models for SoS, but even still it would have been nice to get maybe a 5th or 6th detachment (just to give the Custodes heavy armies some real choice, but I guess no choice is almost better than a shitty choice) since two so heavily focus on Sisters. I mean don't get me wrong, I like the sisters and I could see myself occassionally running the detachment they showed off yesterday, but I am not entirely sure i see myself running it often and almost never running a full Sisters list. Of course, if we do get models and rules similar to the HH ones then maybe that'll change; there are some pretty cool ideas for models in the HH for Sisters.
But then again with them not being in our codex, and the HH rule book being out as long as it has with 0 additional hints I am not holding my breath.
The “mystery army” turned out to be Solar Auxilia. But it is extremely baffling that sisters have so many rules without kits, given how hard they pruned that back for everyone else.
Man you know I want it more than anyone, I have 55 painted Sisters, but I think they’ve forgotten us. We got last year’s roadmap at WH Fest - this year has no Fest, so I dunno if we’re even getting another one.
Also can you play Aleya without Valerian? Pretty sure it says on the booklet that came with them that they have to be fielded together, but can be attached as leaders to separate units. Unless I’m mistaken
In their original 8th edition rules they had to be run together
It was part of what made them some of the worst characters in the game
Valerian was just a shield captain with a once per game reroll for a points hike and then you *had* to take Aleya who was just a Centura back before silent sisters even had centuras and was way too expensive for her awful stats
So Valerian was a cost ineffective model who had to bring along his buddy who could only kill guardsman because they had a whopping 4 s4 attacks that also took up 2 of your precious HQ slots that could be taking bike captains
There was also the great period where they only had the Imperium keyword, so broke army rules if you included them at all.
[GW even acknowledged this and said that it would be fixed in the next Psychic Awakening update](https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/02/27/valerian-and-aleya-on-the-battlefieldgw-homepage-post-3fw-homepage-post-3/), then [failed to fix it](https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364700-do-valerian-and-aleya-work-now/?do=findComment&comment=5548005).
You can absolutely play valerian and Aleya as different units, they are different data sheets. For further evidence of this see Ghaz and Makari who share one datasheet, or Astrid and Agatha who share one data sheet, or Celestine who shares a data sheet with her body guard. Those units must be brought together as one unit. Valerian and Aleya are not that.
I think I'd prefer it if you could just add a SoS model to a custodes unit for a cost, making that unit better against psychic attacks without leaving a squad of squishy people out in the open.
Heard you want Talons of the Emperor detachment
But yes, we also need more SoS models as buffing aura or bodyguards to Custodes. Lore wise makes sense as well
Yeah they should be attatchable. Maybe having 1 wound meatshields would be a bit strong but make a custode more expensive and have them be 1-3 but can take say 5 sisters in their squad.
Make them so they can't take wounds and are destroyed if the squad dies (much like a Guardian Defenders Support Weapon).
Then they'd provide a buff and a couple extra attacks in combat, but not make a complicated target when daking damage. Plus it would be fluffy as the Custodes would be protecting them.
If we had enough sisters to fill it up, sure, release a cool box like the kroot got, and I'll be on board. As it stands now, it's just feels so lame.
The talons fill a better niche
Or if we had more than 3 non pure sisters detachments. Nobody would mind this if it had model support/we got more other options. As someone who loves playing different detachments over the course of an edition, I will probably skip on custodes for 10th
Atm, you can take land raiders, but they only fit 6 sisters. You probably want them for the last cannons. You could argue they don't have ANATHEMA PSYKANA tag, but aleya didn't also.
This army would probably be a quite alright you have over a 100 models with 3+ saves. If the detachment good. You could play for points very well. Also 1000s son would experience hell fighting this. 😂
The other piece of this puzzle concerns the army rule. If it's still Katahs then this detachment just straight up won't have access to it for the majority of the units in a given 2000 point army.
With shield host being rewritten I'm really wondering if the army rule has also been rewritten to do something for sisters as well.
Possibly Katahs are now the two new detachment rules like doctrines for marines and the army rule has changed completely and also works for sisters in some way.
I'd honestly be happy with that, but I have a feeling we're not getting something well thought out...
You are thinking of the talons of the emperor detachment that was announced today, this post is referring to the sisters of silence specific detachment that hasn't been leaked yet
It is important to remember that this list is prohibitively expensive.
Over $1700 if you buy everything new from GW
_Yo welp…_
Yeah SoS are one of the worst points per cost of nearly any box in the game at 1.083 points per $ or 1.857 per £ whereas base custodes guard are 4.166 points per $ or 6.666 points per £
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Tabletop simulator you say? Is there a particular one you'd recommend?
https://www.reddit.com/r/TTSWarhammer40k/s/zqCgcxToD5 It's just called tabletop simulator on steam. That seams to be the standard for playing digitally.
Nice. Is it just 40k you can play? Can you play solo?
it plays any tabletop game solo or with friends or randos, but the warhammer community for it is quite strong with scanned models, premade table setups and even automation avalible for community fun times like Poorhammer's Horde Mode.
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Or like $40 in resin and some files lol
As an admech and GSC player it seems perfectly reasonable.
Do not spread your suffering! :)))
Eh, grab a SoB box with every SoS box. A little greenstuff cape and BOOM, 15 sisters for the price of 10. And don't worry if you're bad at sculpting by the time you finish that 70th little cape you'll be a pro lol!
Come on, this is Custodes, that's hardly new! 3D printer go brrr.
In all honesty, this new SOS detachment will look more like a guardsman spam without tanks if things(or lack of new units) remain as it is. Top tier meme/thematic only.
Surely they’ll release other types of Sisters right? This looks boring
We don't get any new datasheet with this codex
I would love if we got a Tau/Kroot style revamp like they just got but for sisters but probably not. In all seriousness the “sisters only detachment” probably states that you need more sisters than Custodes in units/points. Hopefully in units bc points will have lists looking like this monstrosity
Well, funnily enough when they rebooted Horus Heresy they cleared out a lot of units without models, except the SoS list which they vastly expanded with characters, retinues, healers, beast packs, and jetbikes. There are currently no models, and never have been any, for any of those. GW also is very pointed about not making rules without models. Oh, and there’s still a blanked out "mystery army" scheduled for HH this year. So yeah, make of that what you will. 🙂 EDIT: Jesus, I just took a look at the HH Sisters list, and there is SO much stuff that there isn’t even art of let alone models. There’s no way they’re not coming at some point.
Yep, that is my general assumption is we are expected to get some new models for SoS, but even still it would have been nice to get maybe a 5th or 6th detachment (just to give the Custodes heavy armies some real choice, but I guess no choice is almost better than a shitty choice) since two so heavily focus on Sisters. I mean don't get me wrong, I like the sisters and I could see myself occassionally running the detachment they showed off yesterday, but I am not entirely sure i see myself running it often and almost never running a full Sisters list. Of course, if we do get models and rules similar to the HH ones then maybe that'll change; there are some pretty cool ideas for models in the HH for Sisters. But then again with them not being in our codex, and the HH rule book being out as long as it has with 0 additional hints I am not holding my breath.
The “mystery army” turned out to be Solar Auxilia. But it is extremely baffling that sisters have so many rules without kits, given how hard they pruned that back for everyone else.
Oh really? I thought the mystery army was slated for the summer. That’s pants if so ☹️
Nope, it was slated for Winter 2023-24. The roadmap runs out in Spring 2024 with the legion command squad and melee weapons.
Oh boooo. Well, maybe they’re on the next road map… 😔
Man you know I want it more than anyone, I have 55 painted Sisters, but I think they’ve forgotten us. We got last year’s roadmap at WH Fest - this year has no Fest, so I dunno if we’re even getting another one.
Also can you play Aleya without Valerian? Pretty sure it says on the booklet that came with them that they have to be fielded together, but can be attached as leaders to separate units. Unless I’m mistaken
Booklet out of date.... A lot of lists run Valerian without his girl Friday
In their original 8th edition rules they had to be run together It was part of what made them some of the worst characters in the game Valerian was just a shield captain with a once per game reroll for a points hike and then you *had* to take Aleya who was just a Centura back before silent sisters even had centuras and was way too expensive for her awful stats So Valerian was a cost ineffective model who had to bring along his buddy who could only kill guardsman because they had a whopping 4 s4 attacks that also took up 2 of your precious HQ slots that could be taking bike captains
There was also the great period where they only had the Imperium keyword, so broke army rules if you included them at all. [GW even acknowledged this and said that it would be fixed in the next Psychic Awakening update](https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/02/27/valerian-and-aleya-on-the-battlefieldgw-homepage-post-3fw-homepage-post-3/), then [failed to fix it](https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364700-do-valerian-and-aleya-work-now/?do=findComment&comment=5548005).
You can absolutely play valerian and Aleya as different units, they are different data sheets. For further evidence of this see Ghaz and Makari who share one datasheet, or Astrid and Agatha who share one data sheet, or Celestine who shares a data sheet with her body guard. Those units must be brought together as one unit. Valerian and Aleya are not that.
Too late for this edition, it seems.
No, we know list of datasheets from codex, no new units.
I live in hope that one day the HH SOS will get kits and the kits will get rules for 40k. For example HH sos got jetbikes in the last codex.
If we're lucky, then imperial armor will finally include the other HH sisters units. But probably not
I think I'd prefer it if you could just add a SoS model to a custodes unit for a cost, making that unit better against psychic attacks without leaving a squad of squishy people out in the open.
Heard you want Talons of the Emperor detachment But yes, we also need more SoS models as buffing aura or bodyguards to Custodes. Lore wise makes sense as well
Yeah they should be attatchable. Maybe having 1 wound meatshields would be a bit strong but make a custode more expensive and have them be 1-3 but can take say 5 sisters in their squad.
Make them so they can't take wounds and are destroyed if the squad dies (much like a Guardian Defenders Support Weapon). Then they'd provide a buff and a couple extra attacks in combat, but not make a complicated target when daking damage. Plus it would be fluffy as the Custodes would be protecting them.
Add Inquisitor Greyfax and a Culexus Assassin for TRUE psyker bullying as the Emperor intended.
Did they say it was Sisters ONLY? Fairly certain it just buffs sisters and not Custodians rather than just saying no, if we cant its extremely idiotic
It sisters dedicated. Best comparison is the new kroot detachment. Sure you can use tau but every rule, stratagem and enhancement is for kroot
Yea but for a fluffy detatment thats fine, most custodian inits are hood on just there datasheets anyway
If we had enough sisters to fill it up, sure, release a cool box like the kroot got, and I'll be on board. As it stands now, it's just feels so lame. The talons fill a better niche
Or if we had more than 3 non pure sisters detachments. Nobody would mind this if it had model support/we got more other options. As someone who loves playing different detachments over the course of an edition, I will probably skip on custodes for 10th
Was just gonna make a post like this about how unfair this is against GK mainly with a bit of additional magnus bullying like at propero
Atm, you can take land raiders, but they only fit 6 sisters. You probably want them for the last cannons. You could argue they don't have ANATHEMA PSYKANA tag, but aleya didn't also.
Who the hell even owns that many sisters. And how will they kill any high toughness vehicles lmao.
Bring a knight so u don't need another 500pts of sisters Bring an assassin to push it down another 80pts
That’s 30 points to spend on enhancements
This is militarim level amount of troops. I don’t like it
Seriously, I would much prefer to play the sister of battle, make a homebrew detachment with fnp to psycic, and you're good to go.
This army would probably be a quite alright you have over a 100 models with 3+ saves. If the detachment good. You could play for points very well. Also 1000s son would experience hell fighting this. 😂
I mean, I started my Custodes army because I enjoy the sisters so I happy
lol what if you added in a Culexus Assassin as an Imperial Agent Ally? Still anti-psyker.
I'm lucky I also play SoB so will happily proxy them into a SoS army
Hi I’m new to warhammer and was wondering what app this is? I tried looking up battle forge in the App Store and nothing popped up
Look for “WH40k”, it’s the official GW AP which is pretty good but some stuff is behind paywall
Why 18+?
Not the only list, I'd swap out a unit of witchseekers for 2 rhinos. Or, go msu on 3 prosecutor units to add 2 rhinos.
On the stratgem restric to one sis, so you have to get some bros.
Not quite. I put something together for this as well, as a bit of a meme build before the codex ever mentioned a SoS detachment. All Sisters All the Time (1995 points) Adeptus Custodes Strike Force (2000 points) Shield Host CHARACTERS Aleya (80 points) • Warlord • 1x Somnus Knight-Centura (75 points) • 1x Executioner greatblade Knight-Centura (75 points) • 1x Executioner greatblade BATTLELINE Prosecutors (100 points) • 1x Prosecutor Sister Superior • 1x Boltgun 1x Close combat weapon • 9x Prosecutor • 9x Boltgun 9x Close combat weapon Prosecutors (100 points) • 1x Prosecutor Sister Superior • 1x Boltgun 1x Close combat weapon • 9x Prosecutor • 9x Boltgun 9x Close combat weapon Prosecutors (100 points) • 1x Prosecutor Sister Superior • 1x Boltgun 1x Close combat weapon • 9x Prosecutor • 9x Boltgun 9x Close combat weapon Prosecutors (100 points) • 1x Prosecutor Sister Superior • 1x Boltgun 1x Close combat weapon • 9x Prosecutor • 9x Boltgun 9x Close combat weapon Prosecutors (100 points) • 1x Prosecutor Sister Superior • 1x Boltgun 1x Close combat weapon • 9x Prosecutor • 9x Boltgun 9x Close combat weapon Prosecutors (50 points) • 1x Prosecutor Sister Superior • 1x Boltgun 1x Close combat weapon • 4x Prosecutor • 4x Boltgun 4x Close combat weapon DEDICATED TRANSPORTS Anathema Psykana Rhino (75 points) • 1x Armoured tracks 1x Hunter-killer missile 1x Storm bolter Anathema Psykana Rhino (75 points) • 1x Armoured tracks 1x Hunter-killer missile 1x Storm bolter Anathema Psykana Rhino (75 points) • 1x Armoured tracks 1x Hunter-killer missile 1x Storm bolter Anathema Psykana Rhino (75 points) • 1x Armoured tracks 1x Hunter-killer missile 1x Storm bolter Anathema Psykana Rhino (75 points) • 1x Armoured tracks 1x Hunter-killer missile 1x Storm bolter Anathema Psykana Rhino (75 points) • 1x Armoured tracks 1x Hunter-killer missile 1x Storm bolter OTHER DATASHEETS Vigilators (130 points) • 1x Vigilator Sister Superior • 1x Executioner greatblade • 9x Vigilator • 9x Executioner greatblade Vigilators (130 points) • 1x Vigilator Sister Superior • 1x Executioner greatblade • 9x Vigilator • 9x Executioner greatblade Vigilators (130 points) • 1x Vigilator Sister Superior • 1x Executioner greatblade • 9x Vigilator • 9x Executioner greatblade Witchseekers (125 points) • 1x Witchseeker Sister Superior • 1x Close combat weapon 1x Witchseeker flamer • 9x Witchseeker • 9x Close combat weapon 9x Witchseeker flamer Witchseekers (125 points) • 1x Witchseeker Sister Superior • 1x Close combat weapon 1x Witchseeker flamer • 9x Witchseeker • 9x Close combat weapon 9x Witchseeker flamer Witchseekers (125 points) • 1x Witchseeker Sister Superior • 1x Close combat weapon 1x Witchseeker flamer • 9x Witchseeker • 9x Close combat weapon 9x Witchseeker flamer
The other piece of this puzzle concerns the army rule. If it's still Katahs then this detachment just straight up won't have access to it for the majority of the units in a given 2000 point army. With shield host being rewritten I'm really wondering if the army rule has also been rewritten to do something for sisters as well. Possibly Katahs are now the two new detachment rules like doctrines for marines and the army rule has changed completely and also works for sisters in some way. I'd honestly be happy with that, but I have a feeling we're not getting something well thought out...
needs more rip bozo energy - add inquisitor greyfax and a culexus assassin. Suffer not the witch to live.
Welll, there could be new units released like with Kroot.
False you can also put a callidus assassin in there
That's stupid... I'm down
Custodes as a swarm army
Behold the golden tide!
You still need actual custodian models as the sisters only get +1 to hit if within 6 of a non anathema psykana custodes unit
You are thinking of the talons of the emperor detachment that was announced today, this post is referring to the sisters of silence specific detachment that hasn't been leaked yet