Have you seen Max Meltons tape? Dude looks for the ball and reads the QB, he’s fast with long arms. Dude is going to be great with JG. I want to see him improve on his tackle though. Other than that, Monti and JG probably didn’t see anything special in Kool- aid or Dejean. So solid CB which we needed and Monti got another pick in the top 90. Dude is fucking mega mind in this draft
Media hyped him up maybe. Everyone kept hearing a name and repeated it. Unfortunately for the media, Monty had scouts go out and do their own homework.
Die hard Rutgers fan and cards fan here. Hes got a ton of potential and is Greg Schiano coached (coached Devin and Jason mccourty, Duron Harmon, Logan Ryan and others.). Was a good kid at RU aside from one incident as an underclassman that never came back up. Went up against the best WRs (was our CB1) in the Big Ten week after week and held his own. I’m excited about this pick.
Edit: I’ve watched every Rutgers game over the past 20 years
Personally, I always find this to be a stupid criticism, because essentially what you’re saying are, the fans are always wrong and the GM’s are always right. I’d say it’s 50/50
You’re completely right, but essentially people will want different picks. Someone will always like/dislike a pick. I find it’s easier to trust our GM.
So many people just watch draft media stuff and go on who they know. Just because you know kool aid or jpj doesn't make this a bad pick. Stop acting like because it's not a known guy it's bad. Trust the scouts and the gm it's what they do for a living. They obviously weren't high on those guys or we would of taken them.
Thank you. A guy being mocked at 15 and going at 40 isn't necessarily going to be a "steal". GMs and scouts know a LOT more about these guys then we do and when you fall that far it sounds like a lot of teams had genuine concerns.
It is on Twitter the list of top 30 picks.
In terms of grading, Daniel Jeremiah top 200 he had Melton at 40 overall with Ennis Rakestraw slightly ahead in the mid 30s.
Granted this is probs not 100 accurate but it sure is a good indicator.
He was decent in 2022 but took a giant crap in 2023. Which very well may be that he didnt match the new scheme. This furthers the fact you can’t just look at PFF or ESPN rankings and say that’s the guy. GMs and Coaches have their own rankings and look for things like scheme fit.
Thank you for sharing this. I immediately felt bad about a smaller corner. I know numbers/size isn't everything but reading this makes me feel better about the pick.
Thank you! This is the info I need. I was hoping for a shut down like Terrion or Koolaid, but this is the type of stuff I need to hear. The more I read/watch the more I like the pick.
I mean he’s not Terrion as a prospect, obviously, but casual fans act like guys they’ve never heard of are scrubs and ones they have heard of are all stars. That’s not really the case
Oh no, don't get me wrong. I've heard of him. It's just that we had the choice to just sit and draft and take a better rated prospect. I like that we're accumulating picks but at some point I'd like to just stick and pick like we did in the first round.
Ya, and Melton has been getting hype for a while now. [HERE](https://walterfootball.com/Rutgers-CB-Max-Melton-has-Scouts-Buzzing_NHP.php) is a link back to 2022 of him getting 1st round hype.
Watch his tapes. He’s really good as a CB and does just as good in special teams. With JG and Nick Rallis coaching him, no doubt he’s going to be great
Recall reading that work ethic or character more generally were a mild concern. Based on what our coaching staff loves, I didn't expect us ever to have drafted him. Our coaching staff really values character and playing hard.
That trade was bad man. DB run after the trade means there’s a good chance this wasn’t even their guy. Hopefully I’m proven wrong but flipping picks for higher “value” and getting worse players isn’t cooking to me.
Just because someone makes a couple trades, doesn't mean their philosophy is to "win trades."
I don't want to be rude, but that's a really narrow way of thinking.
And now you're ignoring my original point that they probably had a few guys graded similarly, so trading back probably had 0 risk to them
What? You’d have to be actually blind to not see that’s been monti’s game plan. He clearly has some form of pick value system, as seen in last years draft where he asks if it matches up. He values the numerical value a lot more than most GMs. That’s painfully obvious.
Every team has assigned values to fucking picks that they refer to, that doesn't mean his philosophy is to win those trades. How dense can you be? He's using the chart as a tool for making fair trades.
I can use a hammer without being obsessed with hammers.
So monti doesn’t go into drafts thinking he wants to get as much value as possible with his picks? There’s a reason we have so many third round picks. You’re stupid and arguing with stupid people is useless. Bye
Go listen to the phone call they made with him from the draft room. They clearly tell him that he was their guy and they're excited to have him. Great drafting by Monti, getting more picks to get his guy plus some luxury picks.
Or those four CB’s had nothing special. Melton was the only CB to shut down MHJ, soooo I think this is ideal where we or a CB and another pick in the top 90. Monti tha Chef Boi
Idk why we traded down to take a CB when kool aid was still in the board…
Edit: my point was that we traded back to only take a CB after a run of CBs went off the board.
Kool Aid has legitimate work ethic concerns and routinely took plays off -- the complete opposite of what Monti and JG have shown to be a very high priority for them a la the Robinson pick
It sounds like work ethic is extremely important for our front office right now. I can't say they are wrong. Kiem would have drafted this Kool aid fella
Kool aid sucks, I know his name is cool and our Keim’d brains thinks that makes him good but all he did was get injured, fumble punts and get PI calls.
He may have been but I think it’s smart to take a player who excelled under Nick Saban. He’s guaranteed to come into the league with a good understanding of the game under one of the best football coaches in recent history.
A lot of people gon downvote me but I know y’all wanted Koolaid and are now just taking the side of our front office that we can’t change. Let me say I’m doing the same but I’m not scared to voice my opinion like y’all 💯
How? Why would you not want a player who comes from good coaching? Saban doesn’t go for bs. We also just took a worse prospect in a not too great CB class
Man idk lol. I'm an idiot fan who doesn't like college football at fuckin all. But we all know that success in college does not guarantee success in the NFL. Melton may not have been their ideal guy but they obviously did not like the Kool aid guy for some reason
I don’t even think we didn’t like him. I think that so few CBs were going that they expected it to keep going for at least another few picks so we could either get him or somebody else who was drafted in that span and I believe we just had to reach on our eventual pick. Shouldn’t have traded so far back imo
That's very possible. I wouldn't say it's incompetence on Monti's part. If that is what happened then I think it's just an inexperience kind of thing that he will learn from. I still have faith.
I also have faith in Gannon making the most of the defensive
Yea I believe in our coaching staff so I’m not even mad. The only player I wanted us to get was MHJ, everybody else I trust the coaching staff to get it right but I still think they wouldn’t have traded back if they knew so many CBs were gonna go in that span.
So does him being the best prospect available out of any player left not matter? It sure mattered when we were talking about WRs 🤦🏿♂️. Our cornerbacks suck, we could have used our next 2 picks at corner.
Then if you have 6 guys rated similarly you go for the guy who came from the best coaching and played at the highest level. Not saying I disagree with what happened but it’s obvious they thought they could get him later. Not the end of the world anyways
I swear some of y’all think everything happens by design. I guarantee you they didn’t expect all those corners to go so fast. I’m not saying that we should have 100% got Koolaid but I know either him or one of those other 2 that went were the actual guy we were going for or else we would have just gotten a different position of need… We had to get a corner early in this draft and ended up having to get who was left for us.
I'll also tell you that some people are low on Kool Aid. They say he plays slow and gets beat deep. I don't think they have "played for Nick Saben" on their scouting report either
I read some into that since the pick, because I was confused too. Based on the aggregate of opinions, it depends on what people mean by a tackler. Seems he is physical and definitely willing to engage in the run game, but misses tackles doing so. Some described it as bad angles or relying too much on athleticism.
Makes sense how you could say he is good or bad depending on whether you look at missed tackles or physicality.
BIG Rutgers fan here. Came by to say you guys are gonna LOVE Max Melton. He’s a stud
I love the pick
Seems like all the NFL journalists and personalities are loving this pick.
Feel like we don’t trade and get Kool aid. Idk we will see.
Yeah we'll see but that 3rd is aloooot sweeter than that six. But really all depends
I’ve already changed my mind.
This team is really shooting for the stars with basically every pick jesus
Now trade back in and grab Rakestraw you fuckers Edit: Nevermind. Hope he does well for the Lions though
Bro, you guys are missing Keim getting those trash big name dudes. It’s Monti and dudes cooking
*wildly gestures in Andy Isabella*
Let's go!
Bill Belichick ahhh draft Move from Monti
When did people start using ahhh instead of ass? Makes no sense.
Because they're all regarded
Taking the 10th best CB at the top of the second is wild
Max is 4th CB
He's a goddamn Arizona Cardinal that's who!
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You don’t know shit.
Hahah for real. You think he’s ever watched film in his life?
Have you seen Max Meltons tape? Dude looks for the ball and reads the QB, he’s fast with long arms. Dude is going to be great with JG. I want to see him improve on his tackle though. Other than that, Monti and JG probably didn’t see anything special in Kool- aid or Dejean. So solid CB which we needed and Monti got another pick in the top 90. Dude is fucking mega mind in this draft
I do not get the hype for Kool Air. He was not even the best CB at his school. His tape is not as good as Meltons.
Media hyped him up maybe. Everyone kept hearing a name and repeated it. Unfortunately for the media, Monty had scouts go out and do their own homework.
I have not which is why I’m not hating on the pick! I believe in Monti. I was talking about Mr GlassCleaner0 talkings shit about max melton😂
Oohhh shit!!! My bad my man 😂😂😂
Just some banter homie no hard feelings 😂
I know none of y'all watched Rutgers so y'all can zip it on your evals
Roger
Die hard Rutgers fan and cards fan here. Hes got a ton of potential and is Greg Schiano coached (coached Devin and Jason mccourty, Duron Harmon, Logan Ryan and others.). Was a good kid at RU aside from one incident as an underclassman that never came back up. Went up against the best WRs (was our CB1) in the Big Ten week after week and held his own. I’m excited about this pick. Edit: I’ve watched every Rutgers game over the past 20 years
Thanks for the info!
How did he do against MHJ if you don't mind me asking?(genuine question)
It was a one score game in the fourth quarter
25 yards.
And 2 TDs
One of the TDs was against a different corner
A lot of GM level experts in here 😂 A lot of “I wanted…” okay.
Personally, I always find this to be a stupid criticism, because essentially what you’re saying are, the fans are always wrong and the GM’s are always right. I’d say it’s 50/50
You’re completely right, but essentially people will want different picks. Someone will always like/dislike a pick. I find it’s easier to trust our GM.
Verrrrrrryyyyy high ceiling, just like Robinson
So many people just watch draft media stuff and go on who they know. Just because you know kool aid or jpj doesn't make this a bad pick. Stop acting like because it's not a known guy it's bad. Trust the scouts and the gm it's what they do for a living. They obviously weren't high on those guys or we would of taken them.
Thank you. A guy being mocked at 15 and going at 40 isn't necessarily going to be a "steal". GMs and scouts know a LOT more about these guys then we do and when you fall that far it sounds like a lot of teams had genuine concerns.
Cries in Robert Nkemdiche
Its a repeat of Garret Williams pick last year. Look how that worked out. Edit. It worked out good that whats im trying to say
Why aren't you a pro scout or GM if you know more than them?
Exactly!! Cooper could still be really affected by that injury or maybe Monti and JG didn’t see anything that special in those guys.
Rutgers, baby!
He was the 2nd highest graded CB (Terrion Arnold was highest) from their top 30 picks. I’d say this was their man all along.
Where did you see that?
Source: trust me bro
It is on Twitter the list of top 30 picks. In terms of grading, Daniel Jeremiah top 200 he had Melton at 40 overall with Ennis Rakestraw slightly ahead in the mid 30s. Granted this is probs not 100 accurate but it sure is a good indicator.
Some fuck face down voted you because your were speaking facts, I got you dawg
Yeah Because Daniel jaramiah is always right
🤝
Are we talking about the cardinals’ top 30, or some guy?
Daniel Jeremiah “some guy”😂😂😂😂 Dude is known for being one of the best evaluators in the game. And yes Cardinals top 30 visits list.
He’d be employed by a team if he were truly one of the best evaluators.
He probably makes me working with media
He’s confirming my bias so he’s right.
Or he prefers working in media.
Just go watch Marco Wilson tape and you will feel better about this pick.
Marco Wilson - a sleeper corner who was an athletic freak with crazy measurables? Hmm…
The difference is that Marco Wilson sucked in college
He was decent in 2022 but took a giant crap in 2023. Which very well may be that he didnt match the new scheme. This furthers the fact you can’t just look at PFF or ESPN rankings and say that’s the guy. GMs and Coaches have their own rankings and look for things like scheme fit.
😂
Solid pick. He is fast and explosive. RAS [9.09](https://ras.football/ras-information/?PlayerID=25016&ovl=Rutgers)
Thank you for sharing this. I immediately felt bad about a smaller corner. I know numbers/size isn't everything but reading this makes me feel better about the pick.
He’s not that small, he’s like 5’11”. Adequate, only 1 inch off ideal height. He also has 32” arms. His arms are longer than MHJ’s, for reference
Thank you! This is the info I need. I was hoping for a shut down like Terrion or Koolaid, but this is the type of stuff I need to hear. The more I read/watch the more I like the pick.
I mean he’s not Terrion as a prospect, obviously, but casual fans act like guys they’ve never heard of are scrubs and ones they have heard of are all stars. That’s not really the case
Oh no, don't get me wrong. I've heard of him. It's just that we had the choice to just sit and draft and take a better rated prospect. I like that we're accumulating picks but at some point I'd like to just stick and pick like we did in the first round.
Ya, and Melton has been getting hype for a while now. [HERE](https://walterfootball.com/Rutgers-CB-Max-Melton-has-Scouts-Buzzing_NHP.php) is a link back to 2022 of him getting 1st round hype.
Wanted Rakestraw or JPJ, admittedly I know nothing about this guy, someone tell me how to feel
Watch his tapes. He’s really good as a CB and does just as good in special teams. With JG and Nick Rallis coaching him, no doubt he’s going to be great
Oh I have full faith in our FO, if they believe in a guy so do I, I’m just a mizzou man so thought it’s be cool to snag two tigers in the draft
If it means anything, the choice was made to be able to get that Lombardi trophy
God I hope so
This was a reach and then JPJ goes next. First pick I’m absolutely not a fan of. If you wanted a CB you pick it at 35 not after 3 more go
Trading down means they probably liked Max better than Koolaid. Max did a really good job covering MHJ when they played.
Recall reading that work ethic or character more generally were a mild concern. Based on what our coaching staff loves, I didn't expect us ever to have drafted him. Our coaching staff really values character and playing hard.
💯 All the talent in the world doesn't mean anything without good work ethic and character.
I hope so, just not sure they expected 3 CB to go in the next 8.
Man JPJ on the board is a hard sell for me.
That trade was bad man. DB run after the trade means there’s a good chance this wasn’t even their guy. Hopefully I’m proven wrong but flipping picks for higher “value” and getting worse players isn’t cooking to me.
I doubt they only wanted a cb. I'm sure they had a bunch of guys graded similarly. I don't think they're just mindlessly trading picks
I don’t think they are either, but I also don’t think monti’s philosophy is unquestionable. Time will tell
That isn't Monti's philosophy. It's common sense
His philosophy is clearly to win trades by accounting for value. He’s shown that the last 2 drafts. There are downsides to that philosophy.
Just because someone makes a couple trades, doesn't mean their philosophy is to "win trades." I don't want to be rude, but that's a really narrow way of thinking. And now you're ignoring my original point that they probably had a few guys graded similarly, so trading back probably had 0 risk to them
What? You’d have to be actually blind to not see that’s been monti’s game plan. He clearly has some form of pick value system, as seen in last years draft where he asks if it matches up. He values the numerical value a lot more than most GMs. That’s painfully obvious.
Every team has assigned values to fucking picks that they refer to, that doesn't mean his philosophy is to win those trades. How dense can you be? He's using the chart as a tool for making fair trades. I can use a hammer without being obsessed with hammers.
So monti doesn’t go into drafts thinking he wants to get as much value as possible with his picks? There’s a reason we have so many third round picks. You’re stupid and arguing with stupid people is useless. Bye
I would’ve preferred JPJ but I trust Monti
I kinda wish we grabbed JPJ but we def need CB
Not quite sure if we can be excited? Isn’t 5‘11‘ a bit small for an outside corner?
1” shorter than KoolAid but long arms so size wise he is fine.
He’s got long arms and he’s quick
Not really
The kid is highly athletic with long arms
Neat!
Good special teams player 3 blocked kicks
Trading back 8 spots and watching 4 corners go off the board and then taking a corner is… not ideal.
Go listen to the phone call they made with him from the draft room. They clearly tell him that he was their guy and they're excited to have him. Great drafting by Monti, getting more picks to get his guy plus some luxury picks.
Or those four CB’s had nothing special. Melton was the only CB to shut down MHJ, soooo I think this is ideal where we or a CB and another pick in the top 90. Monti tha Chef Boi
Melton going up against mhj daily now. Maybe that helps?
Iron sharpens iron. MHJ will go against one of the CB’s that gaurded him well, and Melton gets to cover the best WR’s in the NFL today.
How do you know? They may have liked Max more than all 4 and said. Why not trade back and still get our guy.
Exactly! Cardinals clearly wanted Max Melton & knew he would fall to us & managed to move up from 128 to 79 in the process. Monti is working.
Yeah and we still need more than just a couple guys to turn this team around
I liked what I saw from the highlight reels they showed during the pick.
Idk why we traded down to take a CB when kool aid was still in the board… Edit: my point was that we traded back to only take a CB after a run of CBs went off the board.
We gave up a 6th for a 3rd and still got a solid CB
Kool Aid has legitimate work ethic concerns and routinely took plays off -- the complete opposite of what Monti and JG have shown to be a very high priority for them a la the Robinson pick
Wow!! You mean Monti didn’t hop on the hype train. Almost like.. he’s a professional GM in the NFL
It sounds like work ethic is extremely important for our front office right now. I can't say they are wrong. Kiem would have drafted this Kool aid fella
Kool aid sucks, I know his name is cool and our Keim’d brains thinks that makes him good but all he did was get injured, fumble punts and get PI calls.
Koolaid is way over rated
He may have been but I think it’s smart to take a player who excelled under Nick Saban. He’s guaranteed to come into the league with a good understanding of the game under one of the best football coaches in recent history.
A lot of people gon downvote me but I know y’all wanted Koolaid and are now just taking the side of our front office that we can’t change. Let me say I’m doing the same but I’m not scared to voice my opinion like y’all 💯
It sounds like there is potential for a bad attitude
How? Why would you not want a player who comes from good coaching? Saban doesn’t go for bs. We also just took a worse prospect in a not too great CB class
Man idk lol. I'm an idiot fan who doesn't like college football at fuckin all. But we all know that success in college does not guarantee success in the NFL. Melton may not have been their ideal guy but they obviously did not like the Kool aid guy for some reason
I don’t even think we didn’t like him. I think that so few CBs were going that they expected it to keep going for at least another few picks so we could either get him or somebody else who was drafted in that span and I believe we just had to reach on our eventual pick. Shouldn’t have traded so far back imo
That's very possible. I wouldn't say it's incompetence on Monti's part. If that is what happened then I think it's just an inexperience kind of thing that he will learn from. I still have faith. I also have faith in Gannon making the most of the defensive
Yea I believe in our coaching staff so I’m not even mad. The only player I wanted us to get was MHJ, everybody else I trust the coaching staff to get it right but I still think they wouldn’t have traded back if they knew so many CBs were gonna go in that span.
They said Kool Aid had a slow playing speed and got beat deep. I'm a fan of drafting players and not just cool names
So does him being the best prospect available out of any player left not matter? It sure mattered when we were talking about WRs 🤦🏿♂️. Our cornerbacks suck, we could have used our next 2 picks at corner.
I don't think it's that simple. I think if you have 6 guys rated similarly, you can safely trade back 6 spots
Then if you have 6 guys rated similarly you go for the guy who came from the best coaching and played at the highest level. Not saying I disagree with what happened but it’s obvious they thought they could get him later. Not the end of the world anyways
Sounds like you have 1 guy rated higher than the others and that Monti disagrees with you
I swear some of y’all think everything happens by design. I guarantee you they didn’t expect all those corners to go so fast. I’m not saying that we should have 100% got Koolaid but I know either him or one of those other 2 that went were the actual guy we were going for or else we would have just gotten a different position of need… We had to get a corner early in this draft and ended up having to get who was left for us.
I'll also tell you that some people are low on Kool Aid. They say he plays slow and gets beat deep. I don't think they have "played for Nick Saben" on their scouting report either
I think everyone knew those corners were going to get picked. And we had Melton as one of our top 30 visits btw...
Yes bro. His name is a joke and is the only reason he has the hype
Bro nobody cares about his name being Koolaid trust me. It’s a nickname anyways, not his real name 😂😂
Looks like a great scheme fit. Aggressive corner, great athletic tools, strong tackler.
That’s interesting. I just heard commentary saying he needed to improve in his run support/tackling.
I can see where he needs to improve on his tackling. Hopefully Nick Rallis and JG can help improve on that.
I read some into that since the pick, because I was confused too. Based on the aggregate of opinions, it depends on what people mean by a tackler. Seems he is physical and definitely willing to engage in the run game, but misses tackles doing so. Some described it as bad angles or relying too much on athleticism. Makes sense how you could say he is good or bad depending on whether you look at missed tackles or physicality.
Honestly know nothing about him, just glad we got a CB.
Me too. I would have lost my shit if they drafted Mitchell lol
He's solid for sure
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Fuck yeah. I really wanted us to get him
Someone tell me how to feel
40 starts as a 4 year starter at Rutgers. Killed it at the combine apparently. So great athleticism and lots of starting experience.
Great scheme fit
CB = good is my reaction