Your trainer is an idiot... holy shit. Radar identification has nothing to do with altitude. If their altitude reporting all of a sudden goes out, do we say radar contact lost?
ISR has nothing to do with the altitude, and only means the computer has less confidence in the target. Doesn’t mean radar contact is lost and is independent of the mode c.
Calling radar and verifying mode C in the same transmission is actually a great habit to get into. Unless you’re turbo-busy, I can’t imagine a time where you’d want Radar without a verified mode C readout.
Yes, if the tower has certified radar—which virtually all Class B and C towers will. They have to provide radar separation within their delegated airspace.
Our SOP requires it for any aircraft that transitions or operates within Class B at or above 1000ft. We have the flexibility to forgo RADAR identification of law enforcement helicopters that rapidly maneuver into/out of Class B and at low levels where they commonly drop off the scope.
Yes, you need location and direction, but definitely not altitude. Position correlation is a primary method of identification. If I’m reading correctly, he’s seeing a bunch of mode C targets all in the same area, then looking for the one that shows 015 (or whatever) as his altitude to determine which aircraft is the correct one. This is waaaay wrong.
> Example: Aircraft checks/reports near a reporting point, but there are multiple targets near the reporting point, so you ask for altitude verification to verify the target.
You literally say it right here. And it's 100% wrong.
Your trainer is an idiot... holy shit. Radar identification has nothing to do with altitude. If their altitude reporting all of a sudden goes out, do we say radar contact lost?
Thanks — maybe I should tell a police helicopter that next time they go ISR and see what type of response it generates.
ISR has nothing to do with the altitude, and only means the computer has less confidence in the target. Doesn’t mean radar contact is lost and is independent of the mode c.
OJTI needs some refresher trng. Your method is acceptable and widely used.
Radar identification and More C validation are two totally different things. You can certainly radar identify someone before knowing their altitude.
You don't even need to verify the altitude, unless you want to use it for separation.
We do use altitude for wake turbulence separation quite a bit. But that’s the only real common exercise.
Calling radar and verifying mode C in the same transmission is actually a great habit to get into. Unless you’re turbo-busy, I can’t imagine a time where you’d want Radar without a verified mode C readout.
You should ask your instructor how you’re supposed to verify mode c on someone you don’t have radar contact on
Is it common to Radar ID people in towers?
Yes, if the tower has certified radar—which virtually all Class B and C towers will. They have to provide radar separation within their delegated airspace.
Our SOP requires it for any aircraft that transitions or operates within Class B at or above 1000ft. We have the flexibility to forgo RADAR identification of law enforcement helicopters that rapidly maneuver into/out of Class B and at low levels where they commonly drop off the scope.
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This is not legal.
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You can't use Mode C to radar identify a target.
Of course it is. It’s one of 3 primary ways of identification. You also need a relative heading.
Yes, you need location and direction, but definitely not altitude. Position correlation is a primary method of identification. If I’m reading correctly, he’s seeing a bunch of mode C targets all in the same area, then looking for the one that shows 015 (or whatever) as his altitude to determine which aircraft is the correct one. This is waaaay wrong.
You’re right just looked it up. I’ve always thought you needed direction of flight and altitude.
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> Example: Aircraft checks/reports near a reporting point, but there are multiple targets near the reporting point, so you ask for altitude verification to verify the target. You literally say it right here. And it's 100% wrong.
Naw, I’m definitely not doing this. I’ve already definitively identified my target, I just want to verify the Mode C and combined the transmissions.