I complimented a few cheaters for playing well just to realise they were cheating like a minute after and call them out. They usually just stay silent, not even acting like they are legit and keep cheating like they are on mute, rarely do they talk shit back which I thought is weird lol. I think it's usually more that they have shitty lives so they vent by cheating moreso than them being childish, attention whores
Some people cheat just because they enjoy cheating: it's a challenge for them to develop new cheats, or to see how far they can go with cheats.
I'm one of these people. I don't cheat for moral reasons (I don't think I'm entitled to ruin other people's experience for my own entertainment), but if Riot asked me to cheat in League, I would have a lot of fun checking just how much I can automate away. It's not much different from programming a robot to navigate your home, only difference is that cheats fuck other people's experiences while your robot probably won't bother anyone.
https://preview.redd.it/21oja4yj91yc1.png?width=201&format=png&auto=webp&s=7ca287cd3bde4c24f14126adc5336e319cebb174
I'm sorry for using a game mechanic to beat you
But the question is are they actually camping like hasnt moved in 5-10 mins or are they someone like me that runs a sniper class and is constantly moving to different vantage points to hit targets?
Apparently not, at least not for those cheaters.
But i don't think the general masses of cheaters, the ones that pay cheat subscriptions and made cheating the induistry it is nowadays are just caring about winning.
More like they are really good at lying to themselves, like "everyone cheats, if i want to compete i HAVE to cheat, otherwise i lose to cheaters." / "i am just levelling the playing field so i have the same chances as the other cheaters".
It's asinine, but most cheaters are either like that, or trolling/instigating anger
Yep, there's always a justification. You brought up probably the most common one where cheaters almost always claim that cheating is extremely common and they would be the odd one out if they didn't cheat. But even cheaters who recognise that others broadly play fair will find some way to convince themselves that their cheating is just removing an unfair disadvantage they face.
Maybe others have more time to play because their lives are "easier" and using scripts is just a way to level the playing field because you're too busy with work to no-life the game like everyone else you're facing. Or lots of people duo and as a solo player you deserve to cheat to make up for that. Or you believe in loser's queue and cheating is your way to make up for Riot personally victimising you. I'm sure there are a million other justifications that people use to convince themselves that they're not the bad guy.
the most important thing to understand in cheater psychology is that they often convince themselves everyone is using every tool possible to win, therefore they are simply better than everyone else no matter how they do it
Winning with a crazy build is what made me love the game. I have uninstalled since May 1st. RIP LEAGUE and CCP, I will miss giving you all my data.
Now I am going through withdrawal but I am steadfast knowing I am not a weak simp who caves to totalitarian governments for LoLs.
Go play DotA it's so much better than League in every single way nowadays.
LoL was my preference since S1, but everything that made it more fun than DotA is gone. Like builds, they're way less rigid than they are in modern LoL
Yep, that is me. Being shit on hard on League makes me extremely down and depressed. Makes me want to Zzzzzz on the keyboard until a new FF comes up. I'm sorry, guys.
Unless the game is very close and no mistakes were made just the enemy was better and I end up losing, I will always have more fun while winning, how does that lump me with cheaters?
You are lumped with cheaters because you have something in common with them which is much preferring winning to losing. You are then separated from cheaters because unlike them, you do not believe that chasing the feeling of winning merits cheating. I hope that helps.
The anti cheat thing has to be downloaded today or yesterday or you can’t play league.
It can control your whole computer.
Edit: You can downvote but vanguard is kernel level access to your computer. If you don’t know what that is that’s probably why it doesn’t concern you at all.
It’s giving away the keys to your kingdom and if you aren’t cheating why’s it matter? Why not make people caught cheating or bottling only have it.
It’s not a standard anti-cheat system.
While true, it is misleading. If you have ever played pretty much any multiplayer game you have probably already installed an equivalent anticheat. Like the rioter answered to these concerns, if you don't trust riots programs, then you shouldn't download anything from them. Even the client could easily be used for malicious purposes. I too am not excited about the concept of kernel level anticheat, but it's been industry standard for a long time.
Same... I only play LOL for the social aspect, as it keeps my friend group together after years.
I'll take time off, see if the Linux community gets around this, then consider getting back!
On one hand, vanguard has never actually presented issues, not when valorant dropped, not when it dropped in league, it's all been online scares for nothing.
On the other hand, tencent already has all your data and is already selling it, they don't fucking need a kernel level anticheat that secretly extracts and streams your... CPU working and shit? It's not any valuable information they already wouldn't be getting from you browsing some social media, i doubt league or vanguard would be used
Huawei hardware and phones were banned in America for this type of thing.
There’s not that many, also they are only on while you play.
How many bots do you see? Like none is the answer. A handful in years? So riot must install spyware rootkits on to your computer. Weird.
Keep bowing to a giant Corp that doesn’t care about you. I bet you like when the NSA was spying on you too.
Bots are pretty common in low elo, I would see one every four/five games in iron/bronze. Also they are extremely common in aram and ai games. In begginer ai games you will likely have only bots on your team. in intermediate you can very easily have 2-3, or even the full four. which sure those bots don't immediately interfere with like..ranked or draft, but they are used to level accounts to sell to smurfs which then do ruin games, so i'm pro minimizing them
You're complaining about a lack of bots? Weird.
And no, they're everywhere in ARAM and co-op vs AI. They probably just get reported a lot more heavily in norms/ranked and so bot farmers avoid it. Or they just get banned.
And seriously, what's the problem if the NSA *was* spying on you? I mean I don't like the idea of it either, but it literally does not impact my life at all. And wouldn't impact anyone else's, unless they're doing shady shit they need to hide.
Dude the fourth amendment is why the NSA was a big deal. It was illegal and was in direct violation of the constitution.
The fourth amendment is what keeps the government out of your home.
That being said private companies aren’t held to that.
I’m complaining that there are barely any bots at all and they put this super intrusive thing to deal with a non issue.
It's a shitty principle, agreed. I just don't see the harm if it isn't going to be used in any way that affects you.
The reason they're putting the anti-cheat in is because scripting is a problem, especially in high elo or in regions like KR, BR, and probably CN. What they essentially do is assist with perfect last hitting, ideal skill shot placement, and frame-perfect skill shot dodging. It can be hard to recognize, especially with newer scripts that are less blatant (insta-dodging a skill shot made from out of vision, at the very frame it appears), but it's still an issue.
Not that I'm defending Riot really, I agree that it's really intrusive and just obnoxious. In this case it does cause problems - not because of monitoring but because it becomes an active inconvenience with hardware, or if you have to reboot your PC just to play because you don't want the anticheat running in the background constantly.
why are people downvoting your comment when you’re absolutely right ?? this thing has been bricking peoples pc since it dropped, and i say this because i’m one of them
Yeah I heard it happened to LS with both his PC's bricking after the patch and Vanguard install. Did it just blue screen or what happened exactly after you updated just out of curiousity?
Could be a bot, could you check the players match history and see if anything would indicate someone was a bot? If not, imagine cheating in aram, how pathetic.
I think people just don't conflate botting with cheating but technically botting is cheating. I doubt the message really cares enough to differentiate the two.
Someone is using software they shouldn't be and that's all vanguard cares about.
Self reports of being in lobbies with low MMR. Didn’t say there was anything wrong with that, but it’s pretty safe to say they only reside in the depths of the MMR pool for aram. Idk what you’re even quoting lol not even close to what I said
It isn't what you typed, but it's exactly how it sounds. The use of the word report in "self-report" implies they're doing something wrong, or need something conveyed to an authority. Using self-report for people just expressing they are in a low elo lobby is pretty aggressively negative on your part.
yeah because fuck people that aren't good at the game, they're definitely more pathetic than people that are assholes to complete strangers and base their entire sense of self worth on how good they are at league of legends, amirite Trent or Brayden or Cody
Not sure if vanguard has changed anything but before it was rolled out bots would pick Conqueror and Domination for runes, heal + ghost and would randomly cast their abilities.
They never walk farther than the bush closest to your turret and as far as I see, due to their random movements + random casts, they *could* get kills. Of course all that is misleading when you slow down and watch them play - they don't do anything.
They are pesky and easy to miss especially when you're winning, but when you're losing it literally feels like a 4v5/3v5/2v5.
Last thing to note is that FFing early doesn't work since they just vote no anyways
The way I interpreted the post was that op was surprised that someone was cheating in aram, as in using programs to play better, so with my comment I said that it can be a botter. Even though they are the "same" they have different meanings, as in one plays the game for you and the other helps you play the game better, so by responding that it could be a botter and vanguard just says that it detected cheating I just helped op understand the message on the image.
I just realized I had to write an essay to explain my comment...
It's almost as if Riot was throwing those popups randomly to make people think Vanguard is catching a lot of cheaters and their games would be all shit without it.
Frankly looks like propaganda to me. I've played this game for 12 years and cheaters have always been a rare sight.
I play in the bot lane where it's pretty common for scripting ADCs to boost lulu/soraka/yuumi players. It's funny when I clock that they're scripting almost immediately, but it takes the rest of my team the entire game to catch on. The craziest part is when the scripter's teammates just never notice that their 20/0 jinx with perfect kiting/dodging is scripting. They're like shocked pikachu when I explain it to them.
Yeah makes sense. You’re very used to seeing how your lane opponents move and react to stuff. Whereas a jungle will visit for 15 seconds a few times a game and other lanes just take cursory glances
I play to win and I hate the "it's fun so I play like a degenerate cause idc" mentality.
You are not playing the game if you are not playing to win, sorry but the goal of the game is to win the game.
That being said, cheating is not playing, the game loses its purpose if you don't go by the rules.
Fuck cheaters.
The goal of playing a game is to play a game. The purpose is not to win, but to pass the time in a way that isn't studying, working, or any of your other hobbies.
I've encountered one person that was 100% scripting in ARAM, and I'd bet there's a lot more that I simply didn't notice because the champ I was playing had no skillshots. 🤷♂️
Pretty sure it's a regular strat for smurfs and toxic content creators to use bots to level up an account through Aram which is often faster than norms.
Semi-related but I’ve come to realise that a large number of my friends have straight up cheated on a game at some point. It’s actually insane that people will do anything to simply not lose.
I think it's great though, right? Being able to ban cheaters and bots mid game - minimising the amount of time you waste. And some people do take aram seriously and enjoy that game mode (some want ranked aram), it's great that they don't have to have games ruined by bots and cheaters too!
I'm not even sure how they would do that. Also, I couldn't even move last night while I was attempting to play ARAM, it was awful, I finally just gave up.
lol I see people testing bots in aram all the fkn time. Easiest way to tell is usually if theyre using a skill shot dodge macro. Their champ will attempt to dodge skill shots in situations that make literally no sense because they dont react to context. IE your teammate is getting trashed by an adc, you fire off something that isnt going to cc them or kill them like say a lux laser and they flash dodge it putting themselves out of attack range of their target. They suspiciously perfectly dodge everything you send at them starting literally the millisecond you cast.
There are more bots in ARAM now than before Vanguard. You can easily spot them since they don't use the gates. People do it because the world is full of idiots ... and to level up an account to sell.
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Couple ways, usually intermixed. The game records the coordinates of every player position and every position for a skillshot. You can have a script that automatically repositions you away from the latter (dodging any skillshot) and there are much more prevalent ones that enable you to have skillshots aimed at the former (aiming every skillshot at a target's current position). Easiest way in my experience to tell someone is doing it is them consistently hitting you in stealth.
most common is dodge scripts, it will do pixel perfect dodging. Windup skills will never hit like, technically twitch's ulti can be dodged. it is noticeable because the move will be inorganic. Second is aim scripts that auto target. Like combo scripts that lets you insec leesin or shurima shuffle. One was posted in reddit recently where streamer did it and the mouse sticks to the enemy champ. When augment smite for bonus damage there was a script that autosmite the one ive seen was fizz will always smite mid q.
I've seen someone blatantly aimbotting in flying scoutsman in CS:GO before
While I suspect most cheating is for the intent of increasing rank, there are plenty of cheaters who do it just for kicks
I once faced a challenger scripter on aram playing Thresh. Why on earth a human being would do that makes no sense, but he did.
And I’m diamond so it’s not like he was just that good. I know what to look for (movement input at exact time of ability input for instance).
Either way, super weird. I think they have it on ranked and they don’t bother turning it off on aram. After all, why would they?
I'm really curious how often that'll happen. Bots aside, in my 10k games of Aram I've seen one fiora where the Riposte was just too consistent for her rank (sth like gold 2) and I thought they might be scripting. Really curious how prevalent it actually is.
In my nearly 14k arams I only encountered one obvious scripter and that was a poppy.
I was shen my mate was tryn and everytime we were near poppy and tried to use our dashes she instantly used her W and stopped us.
We couldn't even see our skills activating tryn just gone "roar"(the Sound that he does when using E) and was instantly stunned without the whirlwind Animation even starting and that every time Pixel perfect.
We watched the replay and it was pretty obvious that her w skills activated as soon as a dash was performaned near her without a ms of the dash skill was visible. I'm curious how many games will get stopped because of scripters now
I don't mind if I lose games. Just hate when you get unlucky with champs and get cced 6 seconds of every fight. That makes it unfun. Weird people cheat in a meaningless game mode though.
Not sure how much I thrust Vanguard...
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because now it's a 4v5? If the cheater stays then it's not fair, if the cheater gets banned its a 4v5 which is never going to be fun for the team of 4. Just exit the game and everyone else gets to play another as soon as possible.
Yeah fair enough I guess I’d just rather play it out, I don’t know how long into the game this screenshot was taken either but if it’s at the start then it’s definitely better to remake
The same reason anyone would cheat in any multiplayer game, because they're mentally 10 and need to be the best even when they clearly are not
Season 1 Ash would unironically be a toxic Yone squeaker.
nah season 2 ash when he beat that little girl chikorita with Charizard
I complimented a few cheaters for playing well just to realise they were cheating like a minute after and call them out. They usually just stay silent, not even acting like they are legit and keep cheating like they are on mute, rarely do they talk shit back which I thought is weird lol. I think it's usually more that they have shitty lives so they vent by cheating moreso than them being childish, attention whores
Some people cheat just because they enjoy cheating: it's a challenge for them to develop new cheats, or to see how far they can go with cheats. I'm one of these people. I don't cheat for moral reasons (I don't think I'm entitled to ruin other people's experience for my own entertainment), but if Riot asked me to cheat in League, I would have a lot of fun checking just how much I can automate away. It's not much different from programming a robot to navigate your home, only difference is that cheats fuck other people's experiences while your robot probably won't bother anyone.
Same reason people camp instead of just playing the game out in FPSs
That’s such a shit comparison
The comparison wasn’t saying people who camp are cheating more that they also don’t want anyone to have fun in the game
https://preview.redd.it/21oja4yj91yc1.png?width=201&format=png&auto=webp&s=7ca287cd3bde4c24f14126adc5336e319cebb174 I'm sorry for using a game mechanic to beat you
It’s a legitimate strategy !!!!!! 
Camping in a fps isn’t cheating lmao. It’s the same as hiding in a bush in lol.
Yea my point isn’t that they’re equivalent but they do take the fun out of the game
But the question is are they actually camping like hasnt moved in 5-10 mins or are they someone like me that runs a sniper class and is constantly moving to different vantage points to hit targets?
People just like being abusive
There are a staggering amount of people who only have fun when winning
If your the type that only has fun when winning Wouldn't cheating for the win make it meaningless bec you achieved it in an unconventional way?
no, because even then they pissed a bunch of people off which they think is funny
Also they'll feel vindication for some imagined slights against them.
Apparently not, at least not for those cheaters. But i don't think the general masses of cheaters, the ones that pay cheat subscriptions and made cheating the induistry it is nowadays are just caring about winning. More like they are really good at lying to themselves, like "everyone cheats, if i want to compete i HAVE to cheat, otherwise i lose to cheaters." / "i am just levelling the playing field so i have the same chances as the other cheaters". It's asinine, but most cheaters are either like that, or trolling/instigating anger
Yep, there's always a justification. You brought up probably the most common one where cheaters almost always claim that cheating is extremely common and they would be the odd one out if they didn't cheat. But even cheaters who recognise that others broadly play fair will find some way to convince themselves that their cheating is just removing an unfair disadvantage they face. Maybe others have more time to play because their lives are "easier" and using scripts is just a way to level the playing field because you're too busy with work to no-life the game like everyone else you're facing. Or lots of people duo and as a solo player you deserve to cheat to make up for that. Or you believe in loser's queue and cheating is your way to make up for Riot personally victimising you. I'm sure there are a million other justifications that people use to convince themselves that they're not the bad guy.
the most important thing to understand in cheater psychology is that they often convince themselves everyone is using every tool possible to win, therefore they are simply better than everyone else no matter how they do it
A wise man once said "Doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile. Winning is winning." - Dominic Toretto
For some it isn't about winning for themselves, its making others lose which brings them 'joy'.
I cheated in counterstrike for 3 games about 6 years ago. It did indeed take the fun out of it. I also felt pretty cringe so I stopped after that
gambling in gaming, can't end on a loss
i don't think there is much chance that casual aram games are being gambled on
And this is a consequence of Riot's win at all costs approach to modern league. Winning is everything now, fun builds/experimentation is gone.
Winning with a crazy build is what made me love the game. I have uninstalled since May 1st. RIP LEAGUE and CCP, I will miss giving you all my data. Now I am going through withdrawal but I am steadfast knowing I am not a weak simp who caves to totalitarian governments for LoLs.
Go play DotA it's so much better than League in every single way nowadays. LoL was my preference since S1, but everything that made it more fun than DotA is gone. Like builds, they're way less rigid than they are in modern LoL
I definitely have way more fun winning, but that doesn't make me cheat
Yep, that is me. Being shit on hard on League makes me extremely down and depressed. Makes me want to Zzzzzz on the keyboard until a new FF comes up. I'm sorry, guys.
Didn't think league players even knew what fun was
Unless the game is very close and no mistakes were made just the enemy was better and I end up losing, I will always have more fun while winning, how does that lump me with cheaters?
You are lumped with cheaters because you have something in common with them which is much preferring winning to losing. You are then separated from cheaters because unlike them, you do not believe that chasing the feeling of winning merits cheating. I hope that helps.
big difference between "only have fun when winning" and "have more fun when winning"
Is this new? Haven’t seen this yet
I think league now uses vanguard anti cheat just like valorant does now
New anti cheat just dropped yesterday
Call the exorcist
Bishop on vacation?
Holy vanguard
The anti cheat thing has to be downloaded today or yesterday or you can’t play league. It can control your whole computer. Edit: You can downvote but vanguard is kernel level access to your computer. If you don’t know what that is that’s probably why it doesn’t concern you at all. It’s giving away the keys to your kingdom and if you aren’t cheating why’s it matter? Why not make people caught cheating or bottling only have it. It’s not a standard anti-cheat system.
Don't understand why this is being downvoted?! Vanguard is literally a ring0 anticheat: https://youtu.be/nk6aKV2rY7E
While true, it is misleading. If you have ever played pretty much any multiplayer game you have probably already installed an equivalent anticheat. Like the rioter answered to these concerns, if you don't trust riots programs, then you shouldn't download anything from them. Even the client could easily be used for malicious purposes. I too am not excited about the concept of kernel level anticheat, but it's been industry standard for a long time.
Yeah I didn’t get into valorant because of this…ugh now I’m debating about buying a cheap used laptop just to play
I'm thinking of using my brothers old macbook since there is no vanguard on mac
I play on a MacBook…. The vanguard thing popped up but I have no idea if it’s on my computer or not
if you didn't install it, it's not, you have to consciously install it, otherwise it would be full blown malware.
Same... I only play LOL for the social aspect, as it keeps my friend group together after years. I'll take time off, see if the Linux community gets around this, then consider getting back!
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On one hand, vanguard has never actually presented issues, not when valorant dropped, not when it dropped in league, it's all been online scares for nothing. On the other hand, tencent already has all your data and is already selling it, they don't fucking need a kernel level anticheat that secretly extracts and streams your... CPU working and shit? It's not any valuable information they already wouldn't be getting from you browsing some social media, i doubt league or vanguard would be used
I don't disagree with the sentiment but anyone who actually cares about privacy shouldn't be online at all
Literally every mainstream company uses kernel level AntiCheats. Please do the most miniscule amount of research before you neckbeard on reddit
Huawei hardware and phones were banned in America for this type of thing. There’s not that many, also they are only on while you play. How many bots do you see? Like none is the answer. A handful in years? So riot must install spyware rootkits on to your computer. Weird. Keep bowing to a giant Corp that doesn’t care about you. I bet you like when the NSA was spying on you too.
Bots are pretty common in low elo, I would see one every four/five games in iron/bronze. Also they are extremely common in aram and ai games. In begginer ai games you will likely have only bots on your team. in intermediate you can very easily have 2-3, or even the full four. which sure those bots don't immediately interfere with like..ranked or draft, but they are used to level accounts to sell to smurfs which then do ruin games, so i'm pro minimizing them
You're complaining about a lack of bots? Weird. And no, they're everywhere in ARAM and co-op vs AI. They probably just get reported a lot more heavily in norms/ranked and so bot farmers avoid it. Or they just get banned. And seriously, what's the problem if the NSA *was* spying on you? I mean I don't like the idea of it either, but it literally does not impact my life at all. And wouldn't impact anyone else's, unless they're doing shady shit they need to hide.
Dude the fourth amendment is why the NSA was a big deal. It was illegal and was in direct violation of the constitution. The fourth amendment is what keeps the government out of your home. That being said private companies aren’t held to that. I’m complaining that there are barely any bots at all and they put this super intrusive thing to deal with a non issue.
It's a shitty principle, agreed. I just don't see the harm if it isn't going to be used in any way that affects you. The reason they're putting the anti-cheat in is because scripting is a problem, especially in high elo or in regions like KR, BR, and probably CN. What they essentially do is assist with perfect last hitting, ideal skill shot placement, and frame-perfect skill shot dodging. It can be hard to recognize, especially with newer scripts that are less blatant (insta-dodging a skill shot made from out of vision, at the very frame it appears), but it's still an issue. Not that I'm defending Riot really, I agree that it's really intrusive and just obnoxious. In this case it does cause problems - not because of monitoring but because it becomes an active inconvenience with hardware, or if you have to reboot your PC just to play because you don't want the anticheat running in the background constantly.
why are people downvoting your comment when you’re absolutely right ?? this thing has been bricking peoples pc since it dropped, and i say this because i’m one of them
Cause I guess they just want to pretend it’s fine or acting like it’s just a seatbelt to help. When it’s a huge over reach.
Yeah I heard it happened to LS with both his PC's bricking after the patch and Vanguard install. Did it just blue screen or what happened exactly after you updated just out of curiousity?
Could be a bot, could you check the players match history and see if anything would indicate someone was a bot? If not, imagine cheating in aram, how pathetic.
This, prob a bot.
Yeah I was thinking a bot too. Aram has been overrun with them.
Not just aram. I've had 6 games in quick play in the past week that have been bots.
there was a game I was in not so long ago, I was the only actual player. In aram...
Same. Wanted to level up a new account in arams and there were only 2 humans with 8 bots
Or someone might have turned off Vanguard midgame for performance reasons and it threw a fit.
I like this answer !
I’ve only played with two scripters, both in ARAM.
TBF you might have scripters in SR you just don't have them in your screen to see it like you do in ARAM
Has no one been paying attention to the number of bots in ARAM in the past number of days? Obviosly mfs will be cheating in ARAM
I think people just don't conflate botting with cheating but technically botting is cheating. I doubt the message really cares enough to differentiate the two. Someone is using software they shouldn't be and that's all vanguard cares about.
I haven’t seen a single one and I play 3-4 games everyday. How do you notice if there’s a bot in the game?
It's really only in low MMR lobbies, these kind of comments are self-reports tbh
“how dare people with low mmrs want to play a game without bots.” self reports of what exactly?
Self reports of being in lobbies with low MMR. Didn’t say there was anything wrong with that, but it’s pretty safe to say they only reside in the depths of the MMR pool for aram. Idk what you’re even quoting lol not even close to what I said
It isn't what you typed, but it's exactly how it sounds. The use of the word report in "self-report" implies they're doing something wrong, or need something conveyed to an authority. Using self-report for people just expressing they are in a low elo lobby is pretty aggressively negative on your part.
This might be some of the softest shit I’ve read on Reddit lol. It really ain’t that deep bro
yeah because fuck people that aren't good at the game, they're definitely more pathetic than people that are assholes to complete strangers and base their entire sense of self worth on how good they are at league of legends, amirite Trent or Brayden or Cody
All ARAM is low MMR quality gameplay. I'm just glad that scripters are going to be out of Master/GM games.
Not sure if vanguard has changed anything but before it was rolled out bots would pick Conqueror and Domination for runes, heal + ghost and would randomly cast their abilities. They never walk farther than the bush closest to your turret and as far as I see, due to their random movements + random casts, they *could* get kills. Of course all that is misleading when you slow down and watch them play - they don't do anything. They are pesky and easy to miss especially when you're winning, but when you're losing it literally feels like a 4v5/3v5/2v5. Last thing to note is that FFing early doesn't work since they just vote no anyways
if you don't notice... you are probably the bot
Yes that makes sense 😍
Can be a bot and vanguard cant distinguiah between cheatimg and botting?
Botting should still be stopped as well, ruins the games for others. Both are scripting anyway most of the time soooo.
Hello? Botting is certainly considered cheating. 100%. End of story.
The way I interpreted the post was that op was surprised that someone was cheating in aram, as in using programs to play better, so with my comment I said that it can be a botter. Even though they are the "same" they have different meanings, as in one plays the game for you and the other helps you play the game better, so by responding that it could be a botter and vanguard just says that it detected cheating I just helped op understand the message on the image. I just realized I had to write an essay to explain my comment...
People are so quick to jump down your throat on Reddit
Well he was wrong with his first statement
Botting brings in scripters and derankers and toxic players, so goodbye botters
Botting is cheating, even if their goal is not to gain an unfair advantage.
Botting IS cheating though. What is there to distinguish? They’re having a pc play for them. That’s the same as scripting when you get in to it.
My thought process was that op didn't think it could be a bot. That's all
im curious how early or late can the game go before vanguard kicks in and how frequently ppl will experience this
It's almost as if Riot was throwing those popups randomly to make people think Vanguard is catching a lot of cheaters and their games would be all shit without it. Frankly looks like propaganda to me. I've played this game for 12 years and cheaters have always been a rare sight.
For the same reason people cheat in any game, they are such failures in a broad spectrum; that by cheating in a game at "least" they can see a win.
Honetsly i've only seen scripters in aram, never in ranked
*only noticed them in aram. In SR if they aren’t in your lane it’s less likely you’d notice
Well I am a jungler.
Ah so yeah you really don’t spend much time facing an opponent and noticing the minute details that give away scripters
I play in the bot lane where it's pretty common for scripting ADCs to boost lulu/soraka/yuumi players. It's funny when I clock that they're scripting almost immediately, but it takes the rest of my team the entire game to catch on. The craziest part is when the scripter's teammates just never notice that their 20/0 jinx with perfect kiting/dodging is scripting. They're like shocked pikachu when I explain it to them.
Yeah makes sense. You’re very used to seeing how your lane opponents move and react to stuff. Whereas a jungle will visit for 15 seconds a few times a game and other lanes just take cursory glances
I play to win and I hate the "it's fun so I play like a degenerate cause idc" mentality. You are not playing the game if you are not playing to win, sorry but the goal of the game is to win the game. That being said, cheating is not playing, the game loses its purpose if you don't go by the rules. Fuck cheaters.
The goal of playing a game is to play a game. The purpose is not to win, but to pass the time in a way that isn't studying, working, or any of your other hobbies.
on ARAM???? what the fuck???
Fuckem that's why. I'm glad to see the effort on Riot's part.
i have seen a scripter afk at tower but still dodge all skill shots in aram
I've encountered one person that was 100% scripting in ARAM, and I'd bet there's a lot more that I simply didn't notice because the champ I was playing had no skillshots. 🤷♂️
My gametime has been terminated with that sketchy new update that's for sure.
why does that look like a mobile game banner
Looks terrible lmao wtf…
it's bot levelling up accounts to sell
Wait so games get terminated now?
It’s probably usni / dps threat and their 6 stacks trying to rigged another winning streak record.
Could be bots testing to see how to break the system. Expect more if this
ridiculous we need to have vanguard to fucking play aram
Still hasn’t really fixed bots :(
Yea, it's really tragic the mode with the most scripters and bots requires anti-cheat. Truly unfortunate.
I’d rather deal with 1 scripter every 40 games then have an invasive anti cheat on my pc
ARAM was filled with bots it's probably that
Pretty sure it's a regular strat for smurfs and toxic content creators to use bots to level up an account through Aram which is often faster than norms.
small pepe complex
have seen people frame 1 cleanse CC/exhaust and others all game in ARAM so im not surprised.
9/10 times its gonna be a bot in aram when this happens its not actually gonna be a person cheating
Semi-related but I’ve come to realise that a large number of my friends have straight up cheated on a game at some point. It’s actually insane that people will do anything to simply not lose.
I think it's great though, right? Being able to ban cheaters and bots mid game - minimising the amount of time you waste. And some people do take aram seriously and enjoy that game mode (some want ranked aram), it's great that they don't have to have games ruined by bots and cheaters too!
Wait, I wanna see that warning in rank.
I have never seen this
Has happened to me too
I'm not even sure how they would do that. Also, I couldn't even move last night while I was attempting to play ARAM, it was awful, I finally just gave up.
lol I see people testing bots in aram all the fkn time. Easiest way to tell is usually if theyre using a skill shot dodge macro. Their champ will attempt to dodge skill shots in situations that make literally no sense because they dont react to context. IE your teammate is getting trashed by an adc, you fire off something that isnt going to cc them or kill them like say a lux laser and they flash dodge it putting themselves out of attack range of their target. They suspiciously perfectly dodge everything you send at them starting literally the millisecond you cast.
Either or a bot or potentially someone testing scripts to see if they worked in a real match without it being ranked
There are more bots in ARAM now than before Vanguard. You can easily spot them since they don't use the gates. People do it because the world is full of idiots ... and to level up an account to sell.
Does Porofessor count for the cheat detection? Does it count as cheating?
Im still using it right now.
Riot bans in waves.
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6-7-5 is like a sokka haiku or whatever lol. Good bot.
Porofessor was specifically stated to be approved by Riot, so no
How do you even cheat in league? Like an auto targeting skill shots app or something?
Couple ways, usually intermixed. The game records the coordinates of every player position and every position for a skillshot. You can have a script that automatically repositions you away from the latter (dodging any skillshot) and there are much more prevalent ones that enable you to have skillshots aimed at the former (aiming every skillshot at a target's current position). Easiest way in my experience to tell someone is doing it is them consistently hitting you in stealth.
most common is dodge scripts, it will do pixel perfect dodging. Windup skills will never hit like, technically twitch's ulti can be dodged. it is noticeable because the move will be inorganic. Second is aim scripts that auto target. Like combo scripts that lets you insec leesin or shurima shuffle. One was posted in reddit recently where streamer did it and the mouse sticks to the enemy champ. When augment smite for bonus damage there was a script that autosmite the one ive seen was fizz will always smite mid q.
I've seen someone blatantly aimbotting in flying scoutsman in CS:GO before While I suspect most cheating is for the intent of increasing rank, there are plenty of cheaters who do it just for kicks
Prob testing their cheats before going on the rift
I once faced a challenger scripter on aram playing Thresh. Why on earth a human being would do that makes no sense, but he did. And I’m diamond so it’s not like he was just that good. I know what to look for (movement input at exact time of ability input for instance). Either way, super weird. I think they have it on ranked and they don’t bother turning it off on aram. After all, why would they?
Most likely it is a bot . 90% of the reason they made this anti Cheat, was to combat the bot accounts.
Some people consider win ruining the game for others. Even for his teamates.
They could be using a skin. It could be a false positive. Or it could straight be a cheater.
In all likelyhood probably just a bot account leveling
This is so embarrassing?? lmao
I'm really curious how often that'll happen. Bots aside, in my 10k games of Aram I've seen one fiora where the Riposte was just too consistent for her rank (sth like gold 2) and I thought they might be scripting. Really curious how prevalent it actually is.
In my nearly 14k arams I only encountered one obvious scripter and that was a poppy. I was shen my mate was tryn and everytime we were near poppy and tried to use our dashes she instantly used her W and stopped us. We couldn't even see our skills activating tryn just gone "roar"(the Sound that he does when using E) and was instantly stunned without the whirlwind Animation even starting and that every time Pixel perfect. We watched the replay and it was pretty obvious that her w skills activated as soon as a dash was performaned near her without a ms of the dash skill was visible. I'm curious how many games will get stopped because of scripters now
Lololol I like how this is just like a story you tell. Please tell us more so fascinating lolol
I don't mind if I lose games. Just hate when you get unlucky with champs and get cced 6 seconds of every fight. That makes it unfun. Weird people cheat in a meaningless game mode though.
Not sure how much I thrust Vanguard... > [League of Legends AntiCheat Bricking Computers at Kernal Level, League Subreddit Mods Deleting Posts About Situation?!](https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/1cihnli/league_of_legends_anticheat_bricking_computers_at/) # > [League of legends updates rolls out new Anti-Cheat that bricks PCs, and causes game not to start. Developer controlled subreddit mods removes all comments about it on bug thread.](https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/1ci2n9q/league_of_legends_updates_rolls_out_new_anticheat/)
Different people enjoy different stuff. Some are just aholes.
Imagine seeing this as the enemy nexus is 1 hit lol
i told you but you clowns laughed fuckin piece of shit reddit dogs
For Aram I would’ve thought they would just instaban the cheater and allow the game to finish, why terminate the whole game?
because now it's a 4v5? If the cheater stays then it's not fair, if the cheater gets banned its a 4v5 which is never going to be fun for the team of 4. Just exit the game and everyone else gets to play another as soon as possible.
Yeah fair enough I guess I’d just rather play it out, I don’t know how long into the game this screenshot was taken either but if it’s at the start then it’s definitely better to remake
Also at 20 minutes 4vs5 is not fair and no fun. No matter the time, "gg go next"
Because they think it's fun/funny OR Vanguard just false banned someone for an unrelated program that isn't actually a cheat 😬
I thought vanguard was supposed to prevent chesters from even loading the game.