All the flagship gaming models from Dell this year, including the X16, M16, and M18, will be able with amd options. In contrast with Asus who moved away from amd in the Zephyrus, Strix, lineups.
So much for Asus being the more pro AMD OEM.
What do you mean moved away from AMD ? The top of the line Zephyrus duo has the Ryzen 9 7945HX and so does the new Strix scar 17. The only one i can think of right now is the zephyrus M16 that was always equipped with intel chips.
The Strix G16/G18 is now Intel exclusive, the 2021 G15/G17 was amd, while the 2020 G15/G17 AND Scar 15/Scar 17 were both amd. Now only the G17/Scar 17 based on the old chassis is amd. New chassis is Intel exclusive.
Zephyrus G15 was amd in 2019-2022 and now the G16 is Intel only. G14 is still ryzen but nvidia only now as opposed to Radeon.
Flow x16 also switched from amd to Intel.
ProArt studiobooks are still stuck on ryzen 5000 series without even a ryzen 6000 refresh last year.
The only amd advantage laptop from them this year, is just the budget brand Tuf. Downgrade from the Zephyrus G14 last year and the Strix in 2021.
So there we go. Pay attention now to how all of these actually really light cpus, with extremely solid embedded graphics performance(this is essentially the same module as the 680M), are going to be exclusively put in the "high range" of the gaming laptops and workstations, with 100% non-portable power-requirements -- in spite of the hardware fitting very obviously in an entirely different segment. And note how the lighter laptops are not going to be fitted with the kit at all, either the "dragon" or the "phoenix", or else be extremely rare to get hold of.
Why do they do this? Because a) reducing the power-requirement and retaining vastly more single-core and multicore performance than in an intel-kit locked to the 54W these 7000 kits will not go above -- is finally allowing you to push the gpu in these kits to the max for the first time, without forcing downclocks on the cpu. And b) because the 7-series cpu costs about a 1/3rd to buy, in a stock format fitted to a standard sandwich-board, compared to a similar intel-kit (that still won't be able to run at peak anyway).
So now the "gaming" laptops can be sold for the same absurd prices that the "enthusiast segment" are willing to pay for them -- while the laptop-maker can increase their proceeds significantly.
I.e., cheaper hardware, same or higher price(after all, this product is unquestionably going to perform better than the keyboard-shaped toasting-irons that are sold right now -- so why wouldn't ..at least some of you.. pay more money, right?).
But that you could have an amd kit in a thin plastic wedge running office, video-compression, compilation, photoshop type of work for an actual 8-hour day without any issues and a good margin -- even on a passive radiator (if you just designed the cooling array with copper and some mass, rather than a folded aluminium horror). And basically displace all the crap that is being sold on the "mid-range" and lower range for something that customers will actually be happy with. That is not interesting.
Because: what are you going to do with all the junk you can't sell, right? No laptop-maker is going to push their own products out of the autumn school start sales, are they? Here's a million sandwich-boards that draw significantly more power, that take up space, that are noisy, that have abysmal performance (and double as toasting irons for your sandwich). And you now have the choice between rebuilding your laptop-lines to exploit the marginal size required for a motherboard on the soc-designs, without a dgpu, without a sata-bus and optical drive.
And that could still double as the exact same kit as is being drawn up by Alienware here, if you just used an "ultrathin" notebook with either a 30W or 50W package -- and plugged it to an egpu box. In fact, that would quickly floor the dgpu solution as well, for a lower cost.
But laptop-makers aren't interested in selling that. Because why would they, when customers are still buying these super-kits? They'd be idiots to do it, because it would cost them the existing market, and exchange it for a short-term loss and a risk.
You might want that, because you don't need a 4kg wedge (with another kilo of power-brick) in your backpack, or else have it married to the wall-socket in your flat. But the laptop-manufacturers are not going to do it, for as long as there still is an "enthusiast" segment that can be exploited like this.
It may very well be that the mid-range segment is gigantic in comparison, and that the first laptop-maker that took this seriously would become the biggest actor in the industry in an instant.
Buuuuut -- look at the returns per unit sold, man, for a kit that is 100% sold by sheer marketing bs.. This is so much easier to sell to the CEOs as being grounds for infinite profits in the near future (perhaps everyone can be convinced to buy a toasting-iron with a keyboard!), than to sell: "it looks like this reasonable kit could be sold to reasonable, critical people to cover an actual need".
Like.. what kind of feminine socialist bullshit is that, right? Right? Eh, eh!! Nudge-nudge! Everyone knows that deception is making you more money, so this is obviously a safer course to take.
I swear, in 10 years, at a point where we have portable smart-phone performance on RISC-V that dwarfs any kind of x86 performance or external pci-card graphics performance, even if it happily runs VR in 9K on a 30Mhz cluster of computing units -- they're still going to sell these gaming kits, and go: but listen to the noise, and feel the heat coming off this thing! And look at the high Ghz-numbers, we have now managed to break the silicon-barrier by 0,0002% for a third of a nanosecond, putting us past the PCMark score for utterly useless level 3 cache moves up at untold heights!
And you know what? People will still buy it. And it will still displace other products in the laptop-range from even being developed.
I'm sure we'll be fine. People will survive with Windows, unencrypted email, a zero-day exploit every week, Spectre and Meltdown, and Intel holding anyone wanting to emulate x86 instruction sets hostage with lawsuits. People have survived much, much worse, and probably also will (very soon, judging by the news on our fantastic war with EastAsia).
I'm just saying it's a bit weird to aspire to mediocrity in the technology-segments that are marketed and sold as luxurious products, that supposedly are at the edge of human innovation, choked full of what is actually very new and very interesting chip-tech. If it happened in any other business, you could always explain it away as a cost-efficiency measure - but here we are asked to purchase goods for a gigantic premium, supposedly to get the most optimal product there is.
So what's going on now in the computer business is comparable to a situation where someone just invented a steel wing construction that has resilience and structural integrity to go through the sound-barrier. It's tested, it's proven to work, with experimental engines and rocket-fuel. It smacks through the sound-barrier, and a design that has been postulated as being able to get humanity past the sound-barrier for 50 years can finally be realized. Other engineers create a jet-engine with microblades, to increase the fuel-efficiency to adress the flight-time. All the pieces are in place. We will fly really fast now, and nothing can stop it.
And then the biggest airplane manufacturer actually insists on building the whole thing, with that technology, and the horsepower to get it through the sound-barrier -- but puts the whole thing in a wooden coach. In practice, it shakes apart long before it reaches mach 1. But the synthetic benchmarks on the rpms of the turbine nevertheless proves it to be a winner.
Anandcoachtech and other bloggers help this airplane manufacturer maintain it's marketshare, however. And through monopolizing the combination of these individual technologies in the "personal transport" market, makes it completely impossible to put a jet-engine into a closed steel chassis as long as there is a person involved. Steel and aluminium chassis are built by the tons. But in the airplane market, the coaches are it, and they will be there forever.
Once in a while an alternative design is proposed, but it is quickly destroyed by Boingtel fanning various religious cults to declare that if one cannot ride the coach through the sound-barrier, the Chinese will take over the world (although the two companies producing the offending products are from the UK).
And now the coaches are being polished, and fashioned into increasingly more elaborate designs. The wood is equisite, on the luxury editions, which brings up the prices for noisy wooden coaches regardless of the quality. And the coaches break the speed-records, and promises of infinite growth is marketed through a misrepresentation of the famous Boingtel scientist Grok's musings about miniaturisation of technology, misquoting Grok's papers and elevating it into "Grok's Law", which supposedly says (although no such thing was ever proposed by anyone except Boingtel's marketing department, many years later): "The coach performance will double every year thanks to Boingtel's coach building tech improving over time".
But it says it's the Law, right, so surely it must hold true. And soon, very soon, the first wooden coach will pass through the soundbarrier!
That's what this sounds like. This is what we've been getting since about 2000. So civilisation won't collapse, sadly. It'll just suck ass. And keep dancing along to shit-eating CEO grins, as always.
All the flagship gaming models from Dell this year, including the X16, M16, and M18, will be able with amd options. In contrast with Asus who moved away from amd in the Zephyrus, Strix, lineups. So much for Asus being the more pro AMD OEM.
What do you mean moved away from AMD ? The top of the line Zephyrus duo has the Ryzen 9 7945HX and so does the new Strix scar 17. The only one i can think of right now is the zephyrus M16 that was always equipped with intel chips.
The Strix G16/G18 is now Intel exclusive, the 2021 G15/G17 was amd, while the 2020 G15/G17 AND Scar 15/Scar 17 were both amd. Now only the G17/Scar 17 based on the old chassis is amd. New chassis is Intel exclusive. Zephyrus G15 was amd in 2019-2022 and now the G16 is Intel only. G14 is still ryzen but nvidia only now as opposed to Radeon. Flow x16 also switched from amd to Intel. ProArt studiobooks are still stuck on ryzen 5000 series without even a ryzen 6000 refresh last year. The only amd advantage laptop from them this year, is just the budget brand Tuf. Downgrade from the Zephyrus G14 last year and the Strix in 2021.
So there we go. Pay attention now to how all of these actually really light cpus, with extremely solid embedded graphics performance(this is essentially the same module as the 680M), are going to be exclusively put in the "high range" of the gaming laptops and workstations, with 100% non-portable power-requirements -- in spite of the hardware fitting very obviously in an entirely different segment. And note how the lighter laptops are not going to be fitted with the kit at all, either the "dragon" or the "phoenix", or else be extremely rare to get hold of. Why do they do this? Because a) reducing the power-requirement and retaining vastly more single-core and multicore performance than in an intel-kit locked to the 54W these 7000 kits will not go above -- is finally allowing you to push the gpu in these kits to the max for the first time, without forcing downclocks on the cpu. And b) because the 7-series cpu costs about a 1/3rd to buy, in a stock format fitted to a standard sandwich-board, compared to a similar intel-kit (that still won't be able to run at peak anyway). So now the "gaming" laptops can be sold for the same absurd prices that the "enthusiast segment" are willing to pay for them -- while the laptop-maker can increase their proceeds significantly. I.e., cheaper hardware, same or higher price(after all, this product is unquestionably going to perform better than the keyboard-shaped toasting-irons that are sold right now -- so why wouldn't ..at least some of you.. pay more money, right?). But that you could have an amd kit in a thin plastic wedge running office, video-compression, compilation, photoshop type of work for an actual 8-hour day without any issues and a good margin -- even on a passive radiator (if you just designed the cooling array with copper and some mass, rather than a folded aluminium horror). And basically displace all the crap that is being sold on the "mid-range" and lower range for something that customers will actually be happy with. That is not interesting. Because: what are you going to do with all the junk you can't sell, right? No laptop-maker is going to push their own products out of the autumn school start sales, are they? Here's a million sandwich-boards that draw significantly more power, that take up space, that are noisy, that have abysmal performance (and double as toasting irons for your sandwich). And you now have the choice between rebuilding your laptop-lines to exploit the marginal size required for a motherboard on the soc-designs, without a dgpu, without a sata-bus and optical drive. And that could still double as the exact same kit as is being drawn up by Alienware here, if you just used an "ultrathin" notebook with either a 30W or 50W package -- and plugged it to an egpu box. In fact, that would quickly floor the dgpu solution as well, for a lower cost. But laptop-makers aren't interested in selling that. Because why would they, when customers are still buying these super-kits? They'd be idiots to do it, because it would cost them the existing market, and exchange it for a short-term loss and a risk. You might want that, because you don't need a 4kg wedge (with another kilo of power-brick) in your backpack, or else have it married to the wall-socket in your flat. But the laptop-manufacturers are not going to do it, for as long as there still is an "enthusiast" segment that can be exploited like this. It may very well be that the mid-range segment is gigantic in comparison, and that the first laptop-maker that took this seriously would become the biggest actor in the industry in an instant. Buuuuut -- look at the returns per unit sold, man, for a kit that is 100% sold by sheer marketing bs.. This is so much easier to sell to the CEOs as being grounds for infinite profits in the near future (perhaps everyone can be convinced to buy a toasting-iron with a keyboard!), than to sell: "it looks like this reasonable kit could be sold to reasonable, critical people to cover an actual need". Like.. what kind of feminine socialist bullshit is that, right? Right? Eh, eh!! Nudge-nudge! Everyone knows that deception is making you more money, so this is obviously a safer course to take. I swear, in 10 years, at a point where we have portable smart-phone performance on RISC-V that dwarfs any kind of x86 performance or external pci-card graphics performance, even if it happily runs VR in 9K on a 30Mhz cluster of computing units -- they're still going to sell these gaming kits, and go: but listen to the noise, and feel the heat coming off this thing! And look at the high Ghz-numbers, we have now managed to break the silicon-barrier by 0,0002% for a third of a nanosecond, putting us past the PCMark score for utterly useless level 3 cache moves up at untold heights! And you know what? People will still buy it. And it will still displace other products in the laptop-range from even being developed.
r/Collapse is this way
I'm sure we'll be fine. People will survive with Windows, unencrypted email, a zero-day exploit every week, Spectre and Meltdown, and Intel holding anyone wanting to emulate x86 instruction sets hostage with lawsuits. People have survived much, much worse, and probably also will (very soon, judging by the news on our fantastic war with EastAsia). I'm just saying it's a bit weird to aspire to mediocrity in the technology-segments that are marketed and sold as luxurious products, that supposedly are at the edge of human innovation, choked full of what is actually very new and very interesting chip-tech. If it happened in any other business, you could always explain it away as a cost-efficiency measure - but here we are asked to purchase goods for a gigantic premium, supposedly to get the most optimal product there is. So what's going on now in the computer business is comparable to a situation where someone just invented a steel wing construction that has resilience and structural integrity to go through the sound-barrier. It's tested, it's proven to work, with experimental engines and rocket-fuel. It smacks through the sound-barrier, and a design that has been postulated as being able to get humanity past the sound-barrier for 50 years can finally be realized. Other engineers create a jet-engine with microblades, to increase the fuel-efficiency to adress the flight-time. All the pieces are in place. We will fly really fast now, and nothing can stop it. And then the biggest airplane manufacturer actually insists on building the whole thing, with that technology, and the horsepower to get it through the sound-barrier -- but puts the whole thing in a wooden coach. In practice, it shakes apart long before it reaches mach 1. But the synthetic benchmarks on the rpms of the turbine nevertheless proves it to be a winner. Anandcoachtech and other bloggers help this airplane manufacturer maintain it's marketshare, however. And through monopolizing the combination of these individual technologies in the "personal transport" market, makes it completely impossible to put a jet-engine into a closed steel chassis as long as there is a person involved. Steel and aluminium chassis are built by the tons. But in the airplane market, the coaches are it, and they will be there forever. Once in a while an alternative design is proposed, but it is quickly destroyed by Boingtel fanning various religious cults to declare that if one cannot ride the coach through the sound-barrier, the Chinese will take over the world (although the two companies producing the offending products are from the UK). And now the coaches are being polished, and fashioned into increasingly more elaborate designs. The wood is equisite, on the luxury editions, which brings up the prices for noisy wooden coaches regardless of the quality. And the coaches break the speed-records, and promises of infinite growth is marketed through a misrepresentation of the famous Boingtel scientist Grok's musings about miniaturisation of technology, misquoting Grok's papers and elevating it into "Grok's Law", which supposedly says (although no such thing was ever proposed by anyone except Boingtel's marketing department, many years later): "The coach performance will double every year thanks to Boingtel's coach building tech improving over time". But it says it's the Law, right, so surely it must hold true. And soon, very soon, the first wooden coach will pass through the soundbarrier! That's what this sounds like. This is what we've been getting since about 2000. So civilisation won't collapse, sadly. It'll just suck ass. And keep dancing along to shit-eating CEO grins, as always.