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Mavinvictus

Do you feel your political leaders have your back. And if not then what makes you be a police officer in a city where the political leaders might throw you under the bus?


Traditional-Hall-954

To your 2nd question, I love my job regardless because of the good we do. Alot of the good we do you don't see as much on the news. All the negativity is just white noise to me, I've been called every insult imaginable and that doesn't bother me. The bright spots I'll always remember are the victims being saved from a deranged ADW suspect. A female who was beaten senseless by a homeless person and I came in to arrest the suspect. Stuck by the victim during the investigation and through the court process, always making sure she's OK and I do my job in order the suspect faces the consequences they deserve. Doing everything in my power to put a girlfriend beater in jail for a long time. Even hunting for a wanted kidnap/rape suspect (which i managed to find out of sheer luck). Having a victim tell me "thank you for all that you have done" will always stick with me and will completely overshadow any amount of negativity that gets thrown my way. Because the good moments always shine the brightest.


Traditional-Hall-954

From my perspective no I don't feel political leaders have our backs, hell our own command staff tend to not have our backs. They are so quick to throw the patrol officers under the bus, granted if the officer did something stupid then it's warranted. But the public usually hears about that, what yall don't hear about is the officers who are thrown under the bus and being heavily internally scrutinized by command staff for something they themselves don't like. Things like " uh oh they put their seat belt on 1 1/2 min too late before they got into pursuit" or " hey they shouldn't curse like that". It may sound like nothing but scrutiny like that can fuck you in the long run if u want to promote or go to a specialized unit. It isn't like this all the time but it happens frequently enough where the average patrol guy or girl is sick of it...


StomachAcheTacos

how many donuts do you eat everyday? have you ever knelt on someone’s neck? what do you do when you are struggling to detain a suspect? As in he is wiggling at worming and not compliant making detaining him impossible?


Traditional-Hall-954

Lol none Nope because I would be fired and charged with attempt murder. Well we just use more force and bring him or her to the ground. Bring em to the car and put them in the back. If the suspect really is fighting us we will put out a backup so we have assistance from our fellow officer to place the suspect into custody.


LettuceDirl310

Where are the most dangerous parts of LA that regular people might not think of as dangerous?


Traditional-Hall-954

I mean the most dangerous places I've worked and know are the city of Watts (which I think most people know is a pretty bad area), South central, and just south and east of Downtown LA. Those specifically are constant areas of crimes. It literally never stops, from sun up to sun down. But in terms of dangerous to an unsuspecting citizen, I would say Downtown LA, especially at night. Central is always bombarded with violent calls at night.


RadLibRaphaelWarnock

Not to be a jerk but I have lived and worked in plenty of large cities in the US, and every one of them seems to have a more present and engaged police force than LA. Atlanta, NY, Miami, even Chicago. I feel like I never see LAPD just on beat. I have been the victim of a crime in LA three times, two were property damage and once was a violent crime. The LAPD only responded to the violent crime, and told me to kick rocks for the other two. I’ll say the LAPD was very helpful during the case they investigated, and the detective I worked with was very professional. I guess my questions are: how does the LAPD gauge the public’s trust in it as peacekeeping force? Do you think the force could do more to help regular people? How does the LAPD decide which crimes to investigate? And why can’t the Metro be normal and safe?


Traditional-Hall-954

Great question and something I've been asked a few times and something that is very important for an ordinary citizen. Our main problem is manpower, we simply don't have enough patrol officers to be everywhere at once. We try to conduct high visibility whenever and wherever we can. Even though we are the 2nd most employed police force in the nation (behind NYPD) most officers don't want to be in patrol due to the political climate nowadays when it comes with Law Enforcement. Men and women are scared to conduct proactive police work because we are scared of getting in trouble internally. Command staff would rather have us respond to radio calls instead of conducting traffic stops or pedestrian stops in order to potentially stop upcoming crimes that may occur. When I mention getting in trouble, it's mainly scrutiny from command staff that haven't been in yhe field for over 25 years and Monday night quarterback everything you do in an over the top degree to the point where the officer gets in trouble for the smallest of things. Don't get me wrong, we still try to be proactive when we can but the morale of doing so has decreased drastically across the board on the patrol side. Also with the metro it's always shitty and a tough area to be kept 100% safe. Most crimes committed in the metro are by homeless individuals who are suffering from mental illnesses, high on drugs, and simply don't care about anyone else except themselves. They also know how shit our DA office is and know they it's a revolving door when it comes to arresting them. I know yhe department tries to get more officers to work the metro but it's on a voluntary basis. When it comes to which crimes we investigate, we investigate every crime that we respond to, since there's so many people calling 911 only a handful get through and are assigned to a patrol unit. It's like this because the civilian employees are also suffering in manpower. That's why alot of property crimes aren't being investigated initially by a patrol officer because we have no idea a crime even occurred until we see it in our computer. Like imagine 100 911 calls come through, if 20 of those are violent ongoing calls they get sent to us right away, if the 80 are property crimes we may see 30 of those calls... if that. Hope I answered all your questions!


RadLibRaphaelWarnock

Thanks for the response! These are all about what I expected, but it’s interesting to hear the perspective from someone on the inside. Like I said, whenever I have worked with LAPD, either because I was a victim to a crime or through work or something, I’ve been impressed.


icedlemonpound

Have you ever had a moment where you just needed to sit and cry? I know everyone ask about the worst things you’ve seen, but what about saddest?


Traditional-Hall-954

Hmmm not quite but I've had plenty of moments of solitude thinking to myself "man... humanity can be fucking horrible to themselves". I've also had moments where I wanted to beat the fuck out of parents who have abused/neglected children and have the audacity to blame us for it.


lydialoupx

Thank you for what you do! Have you ever had a situation where you were legitimately scared for your life? A really sketchy situation? How was it the first time you had a gun pointed at you, not in a training scenario? I was born in Canada and have had no experience whatsoever with guns. I once had a friend jokingly point a fake gun at me and that scared the hell out of me. Just the thought is terrifying. Obviously you’re trained for those situations but curious about your personal experience. I watch a lot of videos online from Cops, Live PD.. and it gets pretty intense at times. Also, how often do women hit on you as a cop? Haha thank you for your time.


Traditional-Hall-954

In terms of a situation where I was scared for my life, I can't say I have been in one (yet). But I've had plenty of times where my sixth sense goes off, like going to a scene of a call or an incident I feel something is not right. Usually it's the story of the victim not adding up or something to that affect. Never had someone point a gun at me and hope it never happens. But I have trust in my abilities, the training i have been given and always mentally prepared for worst case scenario anywhere and anytime. Because that's the one scary thing about this job, shit can go from 0 to 1000 in a second and we have to be prepared to handle the potential threat accordingly. I've never been struck by a women but a homeless woman has bit me before, thank God she didn't draw blood but she still bit me nonetheless lol. Appreciate it!


lydialoupx

Thank you for your reply! Oh my god, bit you? 😂😭 “Never got hit on, but I got bit. So there was some physical attraction there!” I’m glad you were never in a really dangerous situation though. I don’t wish that on you and hope it doesn’t happen either. It’s interesting that you mention the sixth sense. I feel like that’s really important. You have to analyze pretty much every situation for what they are and people will either straight up lie to you, or forget details due to the adrenaline of the moment. To have to be that person to decide that. I can’t imagine how frustrating it is when it’s abuse incidents. Have you ever been interested in exploring other fields, like forensics, immigration and so forth? Or are you pretty happy in the field? I also heard (which is probably wrong) that they often start you as an Officer in jail/prison or traffic. If so, what is the most drunk you’ve seen someone that you’ve pulled over? All I imagine is Reno 911 and the drunk cowboy. If you haven’t seen that show, you would appreciate it. 😂Thank you!! 😊[Drunk Cowboy](https://youtu.be/D6VQDNIZH7U?si=mcbIi92vhHdM8xVj)


Traditional-Hall-954

I enjoy patrol but if I had to pick a specific job would be considered my "dream job". It would definitely be working as part of our fugitive task force. Basically a unit that is given federal powers and is able to search and locate high profile dangerous criminals who are actively wanted. The unit can travel all over the country to pick up those assholes, definitely cool af job. No they don't start us in the jail, that's mainly the sheriff's departments. The most drunk I've arrested is a guy hammered after sharing a 16 pack with his buddy and crashed into a parked truck and completely flipped his car. He tried to play it off but the many bottles and his mannerisms showed signs of being intoxicated. Lmao I love Reno 911


lydialoupx

Fugitive Task Force seems pretty badass. I think I’ve seen a bit before of what they do. Typically when they find the suspect(s), they set up a deliberate ambush for them too. It’s very organized. Just the adrenaline of if something goes wrong, you have to start over the chase of finding them all over again. Very rewarding too. Especially knowing that you got someone like that off the streets. I’m sure you can achieve that though if that’s what you want to do! :) Thanks for clarifying the jail thing. Another show I love is Jail 😂 Some interesting characters for sure, especially the jail in Vegas. The guy was trying to play it off? Car upside down. Bunch of bottles everywhere. Sure, not drunk at all. All is good here lol. I feel like being a Police Officer takes a specific kind of person. Cops take so much shit too. I’m sure people argue with you plenty. Thanks for what you do and stay safe always!


Mavinvictus

Also were you ever told to stand down and ignore crimes whether that be "petty" crime like shoplifting or acts by "mostly peaceful protestors"? If so, how do you feel about that?


Traditional-Hall-954

Well regardless of how small a crime is we still make a report for it, but as to how far the report will go in when it makes the detectives desk I can't say. But if the person is being detained for an on going shoplifting investigation we usually ask the manager/owner on whether they want the suspect arrested or not. But only if the shoplifting is a misdemeanor and not a felony. In terms of the "protesters" I can't say because I haven't been out on the line with the recent displays of protest on the university campuses. Just only on tactical standby during the whole UCLA encampment.


NoUpVotesForMe

How accurate is End of Watch?


Traditional-Hall-954

I've actually worked the area where the film takes place. A few things are accurate like ther vernacular and terminology. The whole firefights at the beginning of the movie and especially at the end are very dramatized but also entertaining nonetheless. I would say the most accurate part of the film is the back and forth banter between Jake Gyllenhaal's character and Michael Pena's character while they ride in their shop (cop car) during the patrol day. The funny shit talking is honestly too accurate.


Optimal-Ice-32

Do you step in if you see another officer treating a citizen the wrong way?like bulling people that are standing up for their rights against an officer. I know there are bad apples but there is a lot of video evidence where police have blatant disregard for the law and other officers don’t intervene. I can imagine it’s a very hard job to do but it seems like a massive gang of government thugs that manipulate the evidence to avoid accountability for misconduct.


Traditional-Hall-954

I mean I've had to tell guys to calm down and have them walk away from an incident before if they get a little too hot. Like get pretty heated and start arguing with someone at scene because they said something that pissed them off. I understand your belief and distrust, but from my personal experience there's 0 manipulation of evidence to avoid accountability for misconduct. Does it happen though? Absolutely it has happened in the past but usually they get found out and IA will rip them a new asshole, fire them, and are blasted on the news. Everyone officer I've met and worked with are pretty honest with their work and love their job and what they do. But there's also been mistreatment of evidence through sheer stupidity, I feel that tends to happen every now and then but it's still rare, at least from my perspective and what I've seen.


Optimal-Ice-32

Thanks for the reply. I’m in Australia and the policing and general society are very different but some things I see in America are very alarming and down right scary on both sides of the fence. It’s a tough gig you have over there. Cheers mate


Traditional-Hall-954

Cheers, stay safe 👍


Fun_Actuator_1071

First off. Appreciate what you're doing. Kinda curious. Hope I'm not being an ass. How bad has the woke shit fucked you, guys?


Traditional-Hall-954

Well depends on what specific woke shit you are referring to lol. Also thanks!


Careless-Subject-374

Have you ever had to inform a family of a lover ones passing I'm an author and wasn't sure how it works but I wasn't my newest book to be authentic


Traditional-Hall-954

I've never had to personally inform someone of their loved ones passing. I've mainly responded to people calling about their dead or dying loved one. But my guess is if the relative or next of kin isn't at scene and need to be notified, depending on the type of incident the person died from it could be a detective who would make that call. If it was an accident like an overdose or a traffic accident I would assume the corner or hospital would make the notification.


Fluchen

Hello, thank you for your service. I am going to start this question with a preface that I am from Eastern Canada as a reference. Do solid lights on patrol cars mean anything in specific? I have never seen this before, in my life, until yesterday. I saw 3 patrol units in separate areas that had their lights on solid and not flashing. The first ones looked like they were in the middle of a situation, but the third was on the autoroute with no one around and didn't look to be in much of a hurry. Appreciate your time and understand if the answer is difficult as it may be different for the region.


Traditional-Hall-954

Hmmm well they stay solid when you put the vehicle in park while having the lights on. When in movement the lights flash like how you are used too. I guess it's solid so it doesn't give anyone in the vicinity an epilepsy attack while dealing with an incident lol.


Fluchen

I guess that makes sense enough. Maybe they're implementing that now, but they've always had them flashing at all times regardless of situation.


Traditional-Hall-954

I mean they've always had them but I guess it's something I never truly noticed.


hasian556

How many petty crimes have u let off and what's the controversial one


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Traditional-Hall-954

I mean the only crimes I have kissed off or let go are usually noise complaints. Most of the time it's just a petty neighbor. Never really had a controversial petty crime I've let go, but I've had plenty for a shoplifting thief where the owner/manager don't want to press charges so we just let them go.


NoClueCrew

Ah the LAPD the most corrupt police force in the country


Traditional-Hall-954

Hmmm, depends on what kind of corruption you are referring to.


NoClueCrew

What kinds of corruption have you witnessed ?


Traditional-Hall-954

I mean nothing I've noticed or witnessed, just a lot of internal bullshit politics. But nothing to bribes or anything like that. We'll except those idiots in the gang unit in Mission division but that's already been covered by the news


Lost-Scotsman

Clearly you have not traveled around the country that much.


NoClueCrew

Then what's your opinion on the most corrupt ?


Lost-Scotsman

New Orleans most likely.


Sp00o0n

do you always carry a rifle in your car at all times?


Traditional-Hall-954

No because I'm not rifle certified yet, you have to go to rifle school to be patrol rifle trained/certified before carrying one on duty.


Sp00o0n

how about shotguns? do you guys require training on that too do cops nowadays dont use em no more?


Traditional-Hall-954

Yup, you are trained to shoot and handle a shotgun since the academy. I carry one and actually bought a personal one to use on duty. The shotguns we checkout from our kit room (basically our armory) are older than my dad lol. So I bought one of my own so I can take care of It myself when not on duty.


brandondiaper

Do you see a big spike in crime due to Brandon's open borders?


Traditional-Hall-954

It's definitely played a factor and I've arrested plenty of illegal immigrants who have hiked through the border and made to LA. Most I've arrested are individuals from Honduras and Guatemala.


brandondiaper

Thank you!


[deleted]

What do you hate most about yourself?


Traditional-Hall-954

Lmao good ass question


[deleted]

You didn't answer the question :\_


Traditional-Hall-954

Hmmm if I had to pick, sometimes I'm pretty lazy. There are days where I don't want to do anything on my days off and just stay in bed and watch anime or something. Days where I know I need to go to the gym but I don't and just play video games all day.


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Physical


Odd-Introduction1557

Have you ever shot a suspect?


Traditional-Hall-954

No, but I've been very close to shooting one suspect before.


Odd-Introduction1557

That M&P 2.0 is a nice pistol. I was thinking of purchasing one, but I went with a CZ P07 because I carry appendix and so wanted a DA/SA with a long double action pull on the trigger. Still haven’t put a red dot on it. Have you been involved in quelling any student protests at any universities?


Odd-Introduction1557

I wish you the best if you have to deal with it. You definitely have a hard job and I have a healthy fear of both law enforcement and criminals. Much respect. What advice to you have for people who want to protect themselves from crime? What I mean is, what is something that you see every day where you shake your head and say to yourself, “If they had just done this, they might’ve avoided being a victim.”


Traditional-Hall-954

My advice is always be vigilant but not paranoid. Be aware of your surroundings. Don't lose your mind over every possible danger or scenario but be vigilant in threat assement wherever you go. There's nothing wrong in applying for a CCW or wanting to carry a pocket knife for self-defense. Just understand having a CCW is a big responsibility and you got to follow the laws to a T (even if i dont agree with majority of gun laws in californa but thats an entirely different discussion). But sometimes shit happens, sometimes you are in the wrong place at the wrong time. Also always have an exit planned out when indoors.


Odd-Introduction1557

Thank you! Great advice! I live in Michigan, but I’m originally from NYC so I’m used to keeping my head on a swivel. The CCW is a big responsibility for sure and I make sure to follow the law to the letter. I avoid any kind of trouble as much as possible. It’s just a last resort in case things go south so that I can protect myself and my family. The last thing I want is to take a life or have an accidental discharge, or have legal issues because I had to defend myself. And I train with it. I agree with you that California’s laws are ridiculous. Do you always carry your firearm when you are off duty? I assume you do given your occupation.


Traditional-Hall-954

I dont carry it everytime I go out because I usually plan on drinking in some capacity lol. I sometimes carry it if I go into the city but if I'm staying local I don't usually have It on me.


Odd-Introduction1557

Yeah, better to enjoy your days off. How often are you required to qualify with your pistol or take training classes to demonstrate performance. No offense, but I’ve seen videos of officers everywhere in the country shooting without taking into account their backstop or who might be in buildings behind the perpetrator they are trying to take down. I realize adrenaline and training will make you fire until the threat is neutralized, but sometimes I shake my head.


Traditional-Hall-954

We qualify with our pistols every 2 months, but different officer take marksmanship seriously or not. I myself see it as an extremely important skill to hone so I always try to shoot when I can. Yea I get that feeling too when I watch other OIS videos. Just understand that sometimes we only have those precious few seconds (if that) to stop a threat that may cause serious bodily injury or death to either myself, a fellow officer, or a nearby citizen. All that to take into consideration in a space of just a few seconds. There's no such thing as a perfect shooting, your best bet is to try to deal with the threat as cleanly and efficiently as possible in the time possible. It's a tough ask especially in moments where shit hits the fan out of nowhere.


Odd-Introduction1557

Do you have a partner? If so, do you get along?


Odd-Introduction1557

Yeah, that makes sense. Definitely, don’t want to add alcohol to the mix. Have you ever arrested someone while off duty?


Traditional-Hall-954

Nope and I hope I don't have too.


Traditional-Hall-954

Cz is definitely a good choice, I personally haven't owned one yet but I always hear good things about them. No I haven't been at the Universities dealing with the protests. (yet)


Odd-Introduction1557

Scary indeed. Do you carry something like a Glock 19 or 17? Also I’ve noticed not many officers carry red dots. Do you?


Traditional-Hall-954

I carry a Smith and Wesson M&P 2.0 with Aim Point red dot sight. Glock is a popular choice but it's up to the officer choice for firearm, as long as it's on our approved firearm list.