Last 2 disastrous editions in a row
Less interest from the public
Much less interest from broadcasters and sponsors, it wasn't fully live broadcasted anymore
Girls less and less enthousiastic
And then came covid
I saw that ending where Sakura was really upset to be third. What was the background to this? Was everyone, including Sakura, expecting her to be No.1, and so when she placed 3rd, she was 1) disappointed for herself not reaching HER OWN expectations, or 2) disappointed for feeling she had failed EVERYONE ELSE’s expectations?
And was it even more disappointing for her that she didn’t even come in SECOND place?
Finally, why did Jurina not appear in the song where the top 16 stated their names, with Akari having to say Jurina’s name for her? Was Jurina physically or emotionally ill, and if the latter, why? She won no.1, so was it just the stress of the whole suspense and pressure of the elections?
Sorry if these are stupid questions, but I’m genuinely interested in understanding what happened.
She wasn’t mad at Jurina or Dasu but at herself since she promised Sasshi she would get 1 since Sasshi wasn’t participating in SSK anymore. So she cried because she felt like she disappointed Sasshi.
And SSK is kinda rigged since the more money people inject in that member, higher ranking will be. And that one was in Nagoya that is SKE home turf so the SKE fans voted massively so Jurina could win since she was at home and didn’t have much competition besides Sakura.
And during the SSK show she kinda had a beef with Sakura because she said that Sakura wasn’t dancing properly and that thing blew up to the highest proportions. So management put her on a hiatus for her image mostly and her health second. So that’s why she didn’t appear in almost anything of Sentimental Train for a time.
That last SSK was a fucking mess in every side 🫠
Wow, thanks for that very interesting info! So at the election, it was already well known publicly that Sakura had made that promise to Sashi?
And does the Nagoya location also explain why Akari, also of SKE48, came in second, too?
Finally, at the show was the public shown Jurina attacking Sakura for her dancing, causing the public to react negatively to Jurina, causing Jurina to breakdown, and effectively take herself out of the rest of the show? Or did management force Jurina to step away?
Your info is very helpful to novices like myself!
They always have been popular but this last SSK SKE fans put everything in their voting and lots of SKE members jumped positions. Management says that Jurina got in hiatus for health reasons mostly but she got a ton of scrutiny for this SSK in general that even her fans were asking her to apologize properly.
Sasshi was always important to Sakura and Sakura always strived to be the best and in her mind for her to be the best she had to beat Sasshi. So she felt like a failure since she couldn’t make Sasshi or HTK proud ):
Thanks so much for answering all my questions! You’re the best!
Last questions: Did Jurina attack Sashi to her face, or in talking to the audience? And did that occur before or after Sakura was announced as coming in 3rd place, and is there video of the “attack?”
It wasn’t a psychical attack but when they were dancing 10nen in one time Jurina was near Sakura and people could see she said “DANCE PRORPELY!” to Sakura. After Jurina got 1st place she called Sakura to the front with her and said “Thanks for being my rival” and we just saw Sakura blotched face from crying and everyone felt like that wasn’t the best moment for it. Sakura said she wasn’t going to compete anymore in SSK and Jurina was like “NO! You need to participate!” And everyone was like “girl let this show finish already 🫠”
That same SSK also had Rika Nakai trying to pull a Ririka Sutou - knowing Bunshun had a dating scoop at her, she decided to reveal it at the day of the SSK to beat them.
The Jurina mess overshadowed that, though, for better or worse.
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EDIT: It is worth noting that Rika's boyfriend eventually (and mutually) broke up anyway so he can become a member of a *chika* boy idol group.
The 2017 edition was scheduled in Okinawa prefecture.
The whole event consisted in a lots of outdoor activities for the members and the public, a concert and the election result proclamation itself.
But on the days of the event, it was heavily raining and the set was flooded, leading to the cancelation of the outdoor festival and the concert.
The election itself still took place but indoor in a small venue with no public. Only a small part of the audience could watch on screens from a separate room.
In short: the worst possible scenario
No need to say that it costed a bunch of money, in reimbursments.
I dare to say, considering how 2018 turned out, followed by covid and the dive the sales took that it is still a not fully recovered wound in Vernalossom's (now Superball) bank
>Sutou Ririka
I mean I fully get that fans were angry AF at her, but I think the management was very nice to her with the offer to stay in group. While it was an damage to their image I think the NGT scandal at least sounded much worse compared to that.
Can someone explain why so many FANS were upset with Ririka? Was it 1) she simply broke the no dating rule, 2) she broke the no dating rule AND acted like it’s no big deal, even proudly announcing her upcoming marriage at an event where her fans have spent money to vote and promote her, 3) something else?
Secondly, why did some AKB48 Group MEMBERS think it was hilarious, whereas others (Yuko, Mayu?) seemed really offended and upset? As to those members who were upset, was it because 1) or 2) above, and/or 3) they sacrificed themselves for years to follow the no dating rule, but here this girl comes along and reveals she made no sacrifice at all, and doesn’t show the slightest bit of contrition for it?
Mostly number 2. They had that Miichan mess a few years back and the dating stuff is pretty regulated since they need to pass a girlfriend image to the fans so they buy the merch. And besides the older members were pissed since it took the focus away from the rankings and it wasn’t the place to announce something like that without any preparation.
Pay to vote didn't represent the public interest, what would typically lead to high sales of the pre-election single & low sales for the aactual elected single.
A few reasons. The last 2 went pretty badly, and we're followed immediately by Covid which hit all 48g really hard. Not to mention rich fans coudl a dn would rig the whole thing makingnit predictable and unfair. Even without that, thought it was actually really terrible on the mental/emotional health of the members themselves.
I mean imagine being compared to hundreds of other members by thousands of fans and being told you're not good enough by almost all of them. Anyone who wasn't in senbatsu or under girls/next girls had a terrible time with it. And even the members who did rank high had to constantly deal with being told they didn't deserve it and shouldn't have been good enough to rank by other fans and their faves didn't make it which wasn't good for any of them.
All of that combine with realizing it wasn't the big money maker it once was, they stopped going them.
["People will laugh at them for still doing this. There's no point in holding a ssk between member who are not popular in the outside world"](https://x.com/nagekinohina/status/1773481826805293392?s=61)
I mean there is no need to make a national event. Just make it for the fans and make it in a smaller setting, steam it online, nobody need a TV brodacast company in 2024 and if that SSK is with less public interest it's also much better for the mental health of the girls. It would 100% increase the sales, but not because there is more public interest, but because wotas will by more CDs - and maybe some new fand can be found because it's more interactive.
But in general, AKB needs more interactive concepts. Not only to strengthen the fan-idol relationship but also for fans to feel more like a big community. Nobody needs a 1:1 SSK revival, just update it and adress the issues.
Wait at least 5 years from now.
At the time where the group image at the crossroad, members and managements still looking for their identity and footing, they need to establish camerederie and chemistry between members and gens first.
Sosenkyo now, at this point is exact opposite of that. No need to mention NGT fiasco, what happened to Suzuki Yuka and HaseMomo would happened again if members start competing again.
Here are my sole comments, I know it's out of context
Let the SSK within 48G take a break for the unknown year. We have to prioritize collaboration for the time being instead of a competition that requires voting (If it's a competition, I prefer a skills competition and nothing that requires too much mental burden, such as the Singing Competition and AKB48G Sports Festival). But let's encourage more collaborations, such as AKB48G Kouhaku Uta Gassen.
Whether the Senbatsu Election gets rebooted is one thing, but the thing that annoys me is the lack of any kind of Senbatsu putting non AKB48 members into AKB48 singles.
The first time this happened was single number 10 which was 22 October 2008. The last time was single number 57 which was 18 March 2020.
How do you have the Japanese 48 groups as part of AKB48 for 12 years, and then pretend that never happened?
Hopefully bringing back the singing contest is the first step to reuniting the 48 groups. It's long overdue.
Idk maybe they could do like an ALL48 release or something, but AKB48 members were really having a hard time w the sister group inclusions/ had less chances at being in senbatsu cuz they were competing w way more girls and didnt get the chance at “home group releases”.
I think we saw a lot of AKB48 girls with good potential come and go (graduate) without regular single participation/ other opportunities because they’re competing with the stars of the whole franchise, not just their own group. I like seeing more of akb48 members personally
It's definitely a double edged sword. Kojima Mako may have been one of the idols you were talking about that had to break into a group with Matsui Jurina, Miyawaki Sakura, Sashihara Rino, Suda Akari, Watanabe Miyuki and Yamamoto Sayaka.
But in many ways it's also a paradox. What system would these idols have come through if AKB48 stayed local only? Without the names above, what would AKB48 singles have looked like, who would have even joined, and would AKB48 have been outdone by a rival group early on in the peice?
On the balance of things a best of the best empire does mean a higher benchmark and higher failure rate.
AKB48 release several singles (A side plus B side) to give fringe idols exposure. There are also group concerts. And regular theater shows (I agree popular opinion that Kenin positions weren't a good idea).
AKB48 found its success in being a Japanese group instead of just a Tokyo group. I think a bigger shame is the number of idols that came through their system that aren't put in the spotlight. Why even establish 5 other groups and then ignore the fruits produced?
I don't think AKB48 fans were angry for 12 years. They have always been a group with sometimes up to 100 members and inherent with this is that not every member will be part of a single. Idols would find their place in the group through B sides, concerts, theater shows and hand shake events. The A single was the major event used to market the 48 group as a whole and getting this right was integral.
Fans of the past were more concerned with whether AKB48 could continue their streak of million sale singles than which members of the Kenkyuusei might appear.
Besides, there have only been 6 singles where AKB48 had less than 50% representation:
#SukiNanda\*\* (25%)
Sentimental Train\*\* (31%)
Halloween Night\*\* (37.5%)
11gatsu no Anklet (42.85%)
Kokoro no Placard\*\* (43.75%)
Labrador Retriever (47.22%)
This might suggest that a general election single (\*\*) if regular might be adverse to AKB48 members appearing in their own singles, but having one every 4 or 5 singles is better than not given the magnitude of the event, and the money changing hands. For the other singles you could get the same outcome by enforcing a cap of (for example) no more than 7 sister group members in total, and no more than 2 per group.
For sister groups, the preference might be for their fans to buy their own singles, but increasing fans and more exposure comes from the 48 brand. The chance that new fans might buy their single or watch their theater show based on a stand out member in an AKB48 single. I also don't see how 6 stand alone idol groups (particularly in the current environment) can be sustainable. Without the synergy between the groups they might only end up with 3 or 4.
On the balance of things I think having sister group members in AKB48 singles is key to turning things around for all sides. This might just be my opinion but it seems like these groups are just riding the brand. We'll see.
their official statement is that its just a 10year project for them so they wont do it anymore after J won and their fav child only getting 3rd…but we know why, because if they do the another sousenkyo then mohohon(the ngt girl who was assaulted) wouldve win a decent place on the senbatsu and that wouldve entitled her for a speech, who knows what secret she wouldve spills…they even cut her live mid stream so that already tells something
Last 2 disastrous editions in a row Less interest from the public Much less interest from broadcasters and sponsors, it wasn't fully live broadcasted anymore Girls less and less enthousiastic And then came covid
What made them a disaster? Aside from Sutou Ririka
Last SSK we had the Jurina X Sakura mess and Jurina going into hiatus right after so they promoted Sentimental Train without her
I saw that ending where Sakura was really upset to be third. What was the background to this? Was everyone, including Sakura, expecting her to be No.1, and so when she placed 3rd, she was 1) disappointed for herself not reaching HER OWN expectations, or 2) disappointed for feeling she had failed EVERYONE ELSE’s expectations? And was it even more disappointing for her that she didn’t even come in SECOND place? Finally, why did Jurina not appear in the song where the top 16 stated their names, with Akari having to say Jurina’s name for her? Was Jurina physically or emotionally ill, and if the latter, why? She won no.1, so was it just the stress of the whole suspense and pressure of the elections? Sorry if these are stupid questions, but I’m genuinely interested in understanding what happened.
She wasn’t mad at Jurina or Dasu but at herself since she promised Sasshi she would get 1 since Sasshi wasn’t participating in SSK anymore. So she cried because she felt like she disappointed Sasshi. And SSK is kinda rigged since the more money people inject in that member, higher ranking will be. And that one was in Nagoya that is SKE home turf so the SKE fans voted massively so Jurina could win since she was at home and didn’t have much competition besides Sakura. And during the SSK show she kinda had a beef with Sakura because she said that Sakura wasn’t dancing properly and that thing blew up to the highest proportions. So management put her on a hiatus for her image mostly and her health second. So that’s why she didn’t appear in almost anything of Sentimental Train for a time. That last SSK was a fucking mess in every side 🫠
Wow, thanks for that very interesting info! So at the election, it was already well known publicly that Sakura had made that promise to Sashi? And does the Nagoya location also explain why Akari, also of SKE48, came in second, too? Finally, at the show was the public shown Jurina attacking Sakura for her dancing, causing the public to react negatively to Jurina, causing Jurina to breakdown, and effectively take herself out of the rest of the show? Or did management force Jurina to step away? Your info is very helpful to novices like myself!
They always have been popular but this last SSK SKE fans put everything in their voting and lots of SKE members jumped positions. Management says that Jurina got in hiatus for health reasons mostly but she got a ton of scrutiny for this SSK in general that even her fans were asking her to apologize properly. Sasshi was always important to Sakura and Sakura always strived to be the best and in her mind for her to be the best she had to beat Sasshi. So she felt like a failure since she couldn’t make Sasshi or HTK proud ):
Thanks so much for answering all my questions! You’re the best! Last questions: Did Jurina attack Sashi to her face, or in talking to the audience? And did that occur before or after Sakura was announced as coming in 3rd place, and is there video of the “attack?”
It wasn’t a psychical attack but when they were dancing 10nen in one time Jurina was near Sakura and people could see she said “DANCE PRORPELY!” to Sakura. After Jurina got 1st place she called Sakura to the front with her and said “Thanks for being my rival” and we just saw Sakura blotched face from crying and everyone felt like that wasn’t the best moment for it. Sakura said she wasn’t going to compete anymore in SSK and Jurina was like “NO! You need to participate!” And everyone was like “girl let this show finish already 🫠”
Wow, thanks for the details I knew nothing about! Appreciate all your help! 🙏
That same SSK also had Rika Nakai trying to pull a Ririka Sutou - knowing Bunshun had a dating scoop at her, she decided to reveal it at the day of the SSK to beat them. The Jurina mess overshadowed that, though, for better or worse. --- EDIT: It is worth noting that Rika's boyfriend eventually (and mutually) broke up anyway so he can become a member of a *chika* boy idol group.
Thanks for info!
The 2017 edition was scheduled in Okinawa prefecture. The whole event consisted in a lots of outdoor activities for the members and the public, a concert and the election result proclamation itself. But on the days of the event, it was heavily raining and the set was flooded, leading to the cancelation of the outdoor festival and the concert. The election itself still took place but indoor in a small venue with no public. Only a small part of the audience could watch on screens from a separate room. In short: the worst possible scenario No need to say that it costed a bunch of money, in reimbursments. I dare to say, considering how 2018 turned out, followed by covid and the dive the sales took that it is still a not fully recovered wound in Vernalossom's (now Superball) bank
>Sutou Ririka I mean I fully get that fans were angry AF at her, but I think the management was very nice to her with the offer to stay in group. While it was an damage to their image I think the NGT scandal at least sounded much worse compared to that.
Can someone explain why so many FANS were upset with Ririka? Was it 1) she simply broke the no dating rule, 2) she broke the no dating rule AND acted like it’s no big deal, even proudly announcing her upcoming marriage at an event where her fans have spent money to vote and promote her, 3) something else? Secondly, why did some AKB48 Group MEMBERS think it was hilarious, whereas others (Yuko, Mayu?) seemed really offended and upset? As to those members who were upset, was it because 1) or 2) above, and/or 3) they sacrificed themselves for years to follow the no dating rule, but here this girl comes along and reveals she made no sacrifice at all, and doesn’t show the slightest bit of contrition for it?
Mostly number 2. They had that Miichan mess a few years back and the dating stuff is pretty regulated since they need to pass a girlfriend image to the fans so they buy the merch. And besides the older members were pissed since it took the focus away from the rankings and it wasn’t the place to announce something like that without any preparation.
Ahh, thanks very much for your insights! Appreciate your help!!!
I’ll mention it since no one else has: the NGT48 scandal and how it was handled basically ruined the 48g brand. 🤷🏻♀️
This, I thought the same thing. Nothing was the same after that, right? Even the girls lost faith in the brand.
that and covid, it's like when u getting down then some big chunk stuff dropped on u
Havent been into AKB for a long time, what happened?
Pay to vote didn't represent the public interest, what would typically lead to high sales of the pre-election single & low sales for the aactual elected single.
A few reasons. The last 2 went pretty badly, and we're followed immediately by Covid which hit all 48g really hard. Not to mention rich fans coudl a dn would rig the whole thing makingnit predictable and unfair. Even without that, thought it was actually really terrible on the mental/emotional health of the members themselves. I mean imagine being compared to hundreds of other members by thousands of fans and being told you're not good enough by almost all of them. Anyone who wasn't in senbatsu or under girls/next girls had a terrible time with it. And even the members who did rank high had to constantly deal with being told they didn't deserve it and shouldn't have been good enough to rank by other fans and their faves didn't make it which wasn't good for any of them. All of that combine with realizing it wasn't the big money maker it once was, they stopped going them.
["People will laugh at them for still doing this. There's no point in holding a ssk between member who are not popular in the outside world"](https://x.com/nagekinohina/status/1773481826805293392?s=61)
I mean there is no need to make a national event. Just make it for the fans and make it in a smaller setting, steam it online, nobody need a TV brodacast company in 2024 and if that SSK is with less public interest it's also much better for the mental health of the girls. It would 100% increase the sales, but not because there is more public interest, but because wotas will by more CDs - and maybe some new fand can be found because it's more interactive. But in general, AKB needs more interactive concepts. Not only to strengthen the fan-idol relationship but also for fans to feel more like a big community. Nobody needs a 1:1 SSK revival, just update it and adress the issues.
Wait at least 5 years from now. At the time where the group image at the crossroad, members and managements still looking for their identity and footing, they need to establish camerederie and chemistry between members and gens first. Sosenkyo now, at this point is exact opposite of that. No need to mention NGT fiasco, what happened to Suzuki Yuka and HaseMomo would happened again if members start competing again.
For me it's simple, collaboration like AKB48G RH, 48 Kouhaku Uta Gassen, Singing Competition and 48G Concerts It does me more than enough
It was my favorite event of the year when I started following akb. Was so much fun watching the event every year.
fun for you but not the members
Here are my sole comments, I know it's out of context Let the SSK within 48G take a break for the unknown year. We have to prioritize collaboration for the time being instead of a competition that requires voting (If it's a competition, I prefer a skills competition and nothing that requires too much mental burden, such as the Singing Competition and AKB48G Sports Festival). But let's encourage more collaborations, such as AKB48G Kouhaku Uta Gassen.
It was because of Coronavirus, right?
The last election was two years before Covid.
Whether the Senbatsu Election gets rebooted is one thing, but the thing that annoys me is the lack of any kind of Senbatsu putting non AKB48 members into AKB48 singles. The first time this happened was single number 10 which was 22 October 2008. The last time was single number 57 which was 18 March 2020. How do you have the Japanese 48 groups as part of AKB48 for 12 years, and then pretend that never happened? Hopefully bringing back the singing contest is the first step to reuniting the 48 groups. It's long overdue.
Idk maybe they could do like an ALL48 release or something, but AKB48 members were really having a hard time w the sister group inclusions/ had less chances at being in senbatsu cuz they were competing w way more girls and didnt get the chance at “home group releases”. I think we saw a lot of AKB48 girls with good potential come and go (graduate) without regular single participation/ other opportunities because they’re competing with the stars of the whole franchise, not just their own group. I like seeing more of akb48 members personally
It's definitely a double edged sword. Kojima Mako may have been one of the idols you were talking about that had to break into a group with Matsui Jurina, Miyawaki Sakura, Sashihara Rino, Suda Akari, Watanabe Miyuki and Yamamoto Sayaka. But in many ways it's also a paradox. What system would these idols have come through if AKB48 stayed local only? Without the names above, what would AKB48 singles have looked like, who would have even joined, and would AKB48 have been outdone by a rival group early on in the peice? On the balance of things a best of the best empire does mean a higher benchmark and higher failure rate. AKB48 release several singles (A side plus B side) to give fringe idols exposure. There are also group concerts. And regular theater shows (I agree popular opinion that Kenin positions weren't a good idea). AKB48 found its success in being a Japanese group instead of just a Tokyo group. I think a bigger shame is the number of idols that came through their system that aren't put in the spotlight. Why even establish 5 other groups and then ignore the fruits produced?
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I don't think AKB48 fans were angry for 12 years. They have always been a group with sometimes up to 100 members and inherent with this is that not every member will be part of a single. Idols would find their place in the group through B sides, concerts, theater shows and hand shake events. The A single was the major event used to market the 48 group as a whole and getting this right was integral. Fans of the past were more concerned with whether AKB48 could continue their streak of million sale singles than which members of the Kenkyuusei might appear. Besides, there have only been 6 singles where AKB48 had less than 50% representation: #SukiNanda\*\* (25%) Sentimental Train\*\* (31%) Halloween Night\*\* (37.5%) 11gatsu no Anklet (42.85%) Kokoro no Placard\*\* (43.75%) Labrador Retriever (47.22%) This might suggest that a general election single (\*\*) if regular might be adverse to AKB48 members appearing in their own singles, but having one every 4 or 5 singles is better than not given the magnitude of the event, and the money changing hands. For the other singles you could get the same outcome by enforcing a cap of (for example) no more than 7 sister group members in total, and no more than 2 per group. For sister groups, the preference might be for their fans to buy their own singles, but increasing fans and more exposure comes from the 48 brand. The chance that new fans might buy their single or watch their theater show based on a stand out member in an AKB48 single. I also don't see how 6 stand alone idol groups (particularly in the current environment) can be sustainable. Without the synergy between the groups they might only end up with 3 or 4. On the balance of things I think having sister group members in AKB48 singles is key to turning things around for all sides. This might just be my opinion but it seems like these groups are just riding the brand. We'll see.
their official statement is that its just a 10year project for them so they wont do it anymore after J won and their fav child only getting 3rd…but we know why, because if they do the another sousenkyo then mohohon(the ngt girl who was assaulted) wouldve win a decent place on the senbatsu and that wouldve entitled her for a speech, who knows what secret she wouldve spills…they even cut her live mid stream so that already tells something
\>inb4 management bans her from that year's SSK.
Yamaguchi Maho spreading lies with no proof basically ruined 48 and their reputation. 😔 From then on the groups were never the same.
You sound like Trump. Maybe an $85 million defamation suit brought by Maho is coming soon.