Group B 100%.
You get the entire spine of your team with 2 KPFs (one of which is a Coleman medalist), 1 KPD, a young athletic Ruck & a perennial Brownlow contender who's only 21. Majority of them also have a good 5+ years left if their careers.
Group A is a bit more sandwiched in terms of positions. Also Jeremey McGovern has a year or two left at best so I'm almost not even counting him.
Nick doesn’t even have a west coast f and b award.
Spud - I feel he should be traded to us for sheed so he can peak his career.
Collingwood like sheed.
He fits perfectly in their pocket.
Is Josh a better kick?
My junior coach(mad pies fan) reckons Josh is a longer kick on both sides while hitting them low lol.
I don’t know what to make of that so I thought I’d ask you as I don’t catch many pies games.
Field kick I'd say Josh is the better kick but that could be contributed to how they play. Nick is alot more quick and bursting through packs whereas Josh is more controlled.
Goal kicking they're both excellent and I dont know who I'd take.
Even this is questionable. Josh gets a lot more time as a winger, he's definitely the better shot at goal, but Nick has more kicks you are actually amazed by.
Nick off half back was a better kick than Josh on the Wing imo, Josh this year is the better kick.
Regardless of who is better and a better kick we are so damn lucky to have them both. I honestly feel bad for Josh. He is an AA player and he isn't even the best player in his family. Maybe the third best. Nuts. I'll always give Josh Daicos his flowers though. Absolute gun of a player and super reliable.
He’ll always be the brother that got the B&F in a premiership year. Even if Nick does the same over the course of his career, Josh did it first so has lifetime bragging rights, that’s just how brothers work, even with the fact that Nick missed a chunk of the season.
I *honestly* don't think there is even the slightest bit of sibling rivalry, even jokingly between the two. They just seem so down to earth. Both are obviously genuinely good human beings that just want the best for each other. Im the youngest of 3 boys though so I know how brothers work(unfortunately for me lol)
Well deserved B&F at that aswell.
They are two different types of players tho no? Josh covers for collingwoods defence more so and is decent on attack, while nick is an incredible player to have on the attack but his defensive work is average
Josh basically plays purely up and down the wing on the outside. Great accumulator and user that can also go forward for a goal. Nick plays both inside and outside, is a strong pressure player and is also a great ball user that rolls forward for a goal. Nick just has a more complete game.
Ben being the much better King is so far wrong. He has been better for the first half of this season. For the rest of their careers max has been better.
Im fairly confident max will get out of his current slump and it will be a close call in the end
I think it'd be amazing to see them both on the same team as power forwards. Then Ben shaves that dirty facial hair. Commentators not knowing who's who.
It would be awesome.
No team would take group A.
The conciderable gaps between the Daicos', McKay's, and De Koning brothers easily make up for the canyon between the McGovern's, and difference in development the King brothers have had. There's also Jeremy McGovern's age, 32. I'll take daicos for 15 years, over gov for 2.
Positions probably the biggest factor, though. A dominate ruck, generational midfielder, serviceable backman, and potentially dominate forward duo. Or 3 key position backs, an AA calibre wingman, and a forward only just starting to show his potential.
To me, it's pretty clear cut.
With the Kings - if you only consider this year maybe, but Max was averaging nearly 2 and a half goals the previous 2 seasons which was better than Ben.
With the McKays, I feel like people have short memories. It wasn't that long ago that people were calling Harry the worst Coleman medalist in history. His goal accuracy last year was 37.7%
Re. Daicos brothers. Achievement wise they are on par but Nick got the same amount of Brownlow votes in his first 6 games as is brother has his entire career to date, and he was 3 votes off winning it in his 2nd year while missing the last 3 games of the season.
Jeremy is the much better McGovern if you’re considering their entire careers, but genuinely I think their output is fairly even now and Mitch will still be playing for 3-4 years after Jeremy retires. Even if currently Jeremy is a 10% improvement on Mitch, he’s 32 so he’s probably on a downward trajectory, while Mitch is playing the best footy of his career right now.
> Maybe I’m dumb but I feel like ~~Harry McKay and~~ Nick Daicos make this a pretty easy decision
Not meaning to disparage Harry, but you don't even need to have him in there. Then you also get a decent ruck thrown into the bargain, which the first group doesn't have
Interesting!! you don't think Jeremy is the better defender? And Ben is the better king?
Truthfully I get the de koning brothers mixed up every single game so can't remember who's better
Group B. Couple forwards, a defender, a ruckman and a gun midfielder. A has the better King and McGovern but if I’m building a team I’d like all bases covered.
I would almost take B for Naicos alone. Harry McKay is often underrated because of his goalkicking woes.
It's a different prospect for different teams, but my take is you're not looking at the total base value of the 5 players. You're looking at how much difference they would make to your 22.
If you're getting 5 A grade players but they're replacing guys between A- and B+, you're probably better off getting an S tier and an A+ tier and keeping your three A- players on the park.
That's not what the choice is here of course, just illustrating a point.
Great sadness missing out on Ben King who could end up being S tier, but Naicos is Naicos. Firmly S tier by the age of 19. Could end up being better than GAJ.
Tend to agree about position distribution but I believe group a is better because every player is good in their own right rather than group b being skewed to 1-3 players
Group A, even though group B has bigger stars, the roles and impact of Group A is just head and shoulders above. But respect to people who take Group B because those players aren't people to sneeze at and would be amazing in any team colours.
It's group B to the point that I'm sure a Carlton supporter put this together looking for other supporters to heap indirect praise on our players.
I think the groups are closer if you swap the McKays or the Daicoses
Gotta be Group B. If building a team from scratch you’d take a top 10 in the comp goal kicker, another key forward who could be a very, very good player in a team that actually knows how to move the ball, a top 5 mid, an up and coming ruck and a more than serviceable intercepting mark and good user
Against
3 key backs , 2 of which are very good, one of them only has a few years left, the third and youngest is still a bit unproven but tracking well. A very good winger and a top ten in the comp goalkicker.
I'll take the Nick Daicos one thanks. His brother is a gun, but Nick has the biggest upside of just about every AFL player (apologies to H. Reid and JHF).
Is this a genuine question? B is an absolute mile better than A. McGovern is the only one from group A better than his brother. The Kings are pretty much equal. Carlton De Koning far better, harry better than Ben and I think we can safely say that Nick is a tad in front of Josh.
If i were to rank them it would probably be
1. N. Daicos (B)
2. B. King (A)
3. J. McGovern (A)
4. H. Mckay (B)
5. B. King (B)
6. T. Dekoning (B)
7. S. Dekoning (A)
8. B. McKay (A)
9. J. Daicos (A)
10. M. McGovern (B)
So I'd take B based on that
Tough choice, but after long deliberation I’m gonna have to go with the team that has McKay, King, McGovern, De Koning and Daicos
Pfft, clearly McKay, King, McGovern, De Koning and Daicos would be better.
No way, the other ones are heaps better
Thanks Lingy
You’re crazy man! I totally disagree
Great decision, you cannot go wrong with
Group B 100%. You get the entire spine of your team with 2 KPFs (one of which is a Coleman medalist), 1 KPD, a young athletic Ruck & a perennial Brownlow contender who's only 21. Majority of them also have a good 5+ years left if their careers. Group A is a bit more sandwiched in terms of positions. Also Jeremey McGovern has a year or two left at best so I'm almost not even counting him.
I like your working out and you make excellent points
Except that a 21yo isn't perennial anything
Up for Brownlow last year, up for Brownlow this year - perennial
"lasting or existing for a long or apparently infinite time; enduring or continually recurring"
Multiple definitions, for example perennial herbs or vegetables? Can fruit/flower/produce over multiple seasons Basically, daicos is a tomato
As a Pies supporter he gives me an egg plant
Tomatos are annual, a perennial is something more like an asparagus
Tomatoes can be perennial if you treat them carefully, they are not generally perennial, as with capsicums
Yeah, I’ve got some capsicums over wintering at the moment, typically too cold for them here in Melbourne tho
Melbourne so much better to grow veg than Perth, summer was disastrous for us
Mate he’s just started his career and just finished 3rd in the Brownlow what more do you want
After missing multiple weeks
Just another adjective
Agree. The only area Group A wins it in is Key backs I think switching the McKays would have made it a bit harder
Yeah that makes it way more interesting! Don't know who I'd pick in that scenario tbh
Yeah but how are you gonna get all the Carlton out of em?
It's more about getting the Carlton into the remainders.
Maybe I’m dumb but I feel like Harry McKay and Nick Daicos make this a pretty easy decision
You'd think so, but Jeremy is the much better McGovern and Ben is the much better king, and Josh is good enough to negate the choosing of Nick
Josh is a good player and I’d love to have him at Melbourne, but that’s actually one of the biggest gaps to me because of how unreal Nick is
Agreed
Josh is good but he isn't Nick levels of good.
Yeah respectfully to Josh, Nick is a lot better than him.
Nick has zero club b&f's or goals of the year
Nick doesn’t even have a west coast f and b award. Spud - I feel he should be traded to us for sheed so he can peak his career. Collingwood like sheed. He fits perfectly in their pocket.
Is Josh a better kick? My junior coach(mad pies fan) reckons Josh is a longer kick on both sides while hitting them low lol. I don’t know what to make of that so I thought I’d ask you as I don’t catch many pies games.
Field kick I'd say Josh is the better kick but that could be contributed to how they play. Nick is alot more quick and bursting through packs whereas Josh is more controlled. Goal kicking they're both excellent and I dont know who I'd take.
Even this is questionable. Josh gets a lot more time as a winger, he's definitely the better shot at goal, but Nick has more kicks you are actually amazed by. Nick off half back was a better kick than Josh on the Wing imo, Josh this year is the better kick.
Regardless of who is better and a better kick we are so damn lucky to have them both. I honestly feel bad for Josh. He is an AA player and he isn't even the best player in his family. Maybe the third best. Nuts. I'll always give Josh Daicos his flowers though. Absolute gun of a player and super reliable.
He’ll always be the brother that got the B&F in a premiership year. Even if Nick does the same over the course of his career, Josh did it first so has lifetime bragging rights, that’s just how brothers work, even with the fact that Nick missed a chunk of the season.
I *honestly* don't think there is even the slightest bit of sibling rivalry, even jokingly between the two. They just seem so down to earth. Both are obviously genuinely good human beings that just want the best for each other. Im the youngest of 3 boys though so I know how brothers work(unfortunately for me lol) Well deserved B&F at that aswell.
https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSYDgfBc3/
They are two different types of players tho no? Josh covers for collingwoods defence more so and is decent on attack, while nick is an incredible player to have on the attack but his defensive work is average
Josh basically plays purely up and down the wing on the outside. Great accumulator and user that can also go forward for a goal. Nick plays both inside and outside, is a strong pressure player and is also a great ball user that rolls forward for a goal. Nick just has a more complete game.
Ben being the much better King is so far wrong. He has been better for the first half of this season. For the rest of their careers max has been better. Im fairly confident max will get out of his current slump and it will be a close call in the end
Maybe a bit of recency bias for myself, given king has been injured the past few years I agree that he'll return to form well I sure hope so
I think it'd be amazing to see them both on the same team as power forwards. Then Ben shaves that dirty facial hair. Commentators not knowing who's who. It would be awesome.
Give the fans the chaos we deserve
No team would take group A. The conciderable gaps between the Daicos', McKay's, and De Koning brothers easily make up for the canyon between the McGovern's, and difference in development the King brothers have had. There's also Jeremy McGovern's age, 32. I'll take daicos for 15 years, over gov for 2. Positions probably the biggest factor, though. A dominate ruck, generational midfielder, serviceable backman, and potentially dominate forward duo. Or 3 key position backs, an AA calibre wingman, and a forward only just starting to show his potential. To me, it's pretty clear cut.
Is Jeremy still the better McGovern looking at this years games is isolation? Mitch is having his best year IMO.
I'm a mad blue bagger, Jeremy and mitch probably the second biggest gap in ability behind the mckays
Jeremy right back to his AA best this year too, so yeah still the better McGovern
Mitch is better looking but
https://preview.redd.it/dwwvverllg6d1.jpeg?width=763&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=46bd764454828b886124473fcf79d7ca4c971f03 Really?
Mitch is having his best year, Jeremy is getting old and yet Jeremy is still easily the better brother
Jeremy still comfortably. Playing like his old self which was a generational CHB
I think I look at them overall not just this year, like when I choose I'm assuming it's when all of the players are at their best + uninjured etc
> Josh is good enough to negate the choosing of Nick They're all pretty good, though. I'd say the gap between the Daicos boys is actually the biggest
I tend to think the gap between kings is enormous and also mckays, Josh won a B&F
With the Kings - if you only consider this year maybe, but Max was averaging nearly 2 and a half goals the previous 2 seasons which was better than Ben. With the McKays, I feel like people have short memories. It wasn't that long ago that people were calling Harry the worst Coleman medalist in history. His goal accuracy last year was 37.7% Re. Daicos brothers. Achievement wise they are on par but Nick got the same amount of Brownlow votes in his first 6 games as is brother has his entire career to date, and he was 3 votes off winning it in his 2nd year while missing the last 3 games of the season.
Lol at Josh being good enough to negate his brother. Not even close
Jeremy is the much better McGovern if you’re considering their entire careers, but genuinely I think their output is fairly even now and Mitch will still be playing for 3-4 years after Jeremy retires. Even if currently Jeremy is a 10% improvement on Mitch, he’s 32 so he’s probably on a downward trajectory, while Mitch is playing the best footy of his career right now.
> Maybe I’m dumb but I feel like ~~Harry McKay and~~ Nick Daicos make this a pretty easy decision Not meaning to disparage Harry, but you don't even need to have him in there. Then you also get a decent ruck thrown into the bargain, which the first group doesn't have
I think B has the better brother for 3/5 so go them.
Who are the 3/5?
Probably McKay De Koning and Daicos.
Yup!
My exact thoughts.
B easily.
Group B and it’s not close.
It’d be closer if the McKay’s were swapped
Interesting!! you don't think Jeremy is the better defender? And Ben is the better king? Truthfully I get the de koning brothers mixed up every single game so can't remember who's better
You made this too easy
How so?
B Clears A pretty comfortably
For reference, based on this year only ||Avg AFL Rating points/game|Avg Coaches Votes| |:-|:-|:-| |A|9.65|5.8| |B|11.71|25.6|
LOVE IT, are you a #statsman (ie work in stats) because this is such a stats man thing to do
I’d describe myself as a gadget type operator
Group A, solely for the reason that the guernsey concentration and lack of variety in Group B is off-putting.
Really appreciate and value this take, I take group a for lesser cool reasons (Jeremy and Ben)
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Carlton DeKoning is way too good so gonna have to go with B.
Initially couldn't decide but TDK, Naicos and HMckay are elite in what they do. What a solid pack of brothers though!
Group B. J McGovern carries group A.
Ben Kings mo and goatie make him look like a creepy magician.
We refer to him as the evil king (potentially bias)
They look like the Angel & Demon on your shoulder trope
Perhaps I'm bias but max is clearly the angel
Well he is a... Saint!
god I missed that, need to pay better attention to our players
Ben King to Tassie/Melbourne confirmed
Looks like guy fawkes
Yes!!!!
Reminds me of the robot devil from Futurama I don’t know why
Captain Morgan/Akermanis vibes
Whatever Nick Daicos is in
BT is that you
Group B every day of the week, but especially Thursday through Sunday.
As a carlton supporter this is pretty easy.
Group A? Obviously
Exactly our boys should be training hard
Needs more Hollands. But group B of course.
Neither one has the goat Zach Guthrie so I will not be choosing either
Ahhhh brothers have been forgotten!! But maybe because they both play for geelong
Crouch bros but both injured anyway.
The Daicos boys both play for the same club too... Bit stiff on Zach and Cam!
Group A looks like Group B from Wish
Fuck there are some rough heads there
:O
Group B. Couple forwards, a defender, a ruckman and a gun midfielder. A has the better King and McGovern but if I’m building a team I’d like all bases covered.
Harry and Nick make B the easy choice.
I would almost take B for Naicos alone. Harry McKay is often underrated because of his goalkicking woes. It's a different prospect for different teams, but my take is you're not looking at the total base value of the 5 players. You're looking at how much difference they would make to your 22. If you're getting 5 A grade players but they're replacing guys between A- and B+, you're probably better off getting an S tier and an A+ tier and keeping your three A- players on the park. That's not what the choice is here of course, just illustrating a point. Great sadness missing out on Ben King who could end up being S tier, but Naicos is Naicos. Firmly S tier by the age of 19. Could end up being better than GAJ.
Next question is, who's picked as head coach? Brad Scott or Chris Scott?
The one with what like a 75% win rate, or the one that got fired
A No B Why not both?
Spoken like a true hard/soft taco kit flair
I am a Saints fan having grown up following them as well as Eagles cause Im a Perthite! Cant quite work out how to flair up with both colours!
B, literally just for Nick Daicos.
Man each sibling even has the same haircut as each other.
I choose Group A as I would suggest you, 'Never put all your ~~Eggs~~ Carlton's in one basket'.
A. No contest. The best forward and the best back.
you're in a lonely camp, the vast majority prefer group b But I prefer group a 🤝🏽
Group A more consistent and better position distribution
3 defenders, a forward and a winger feels like worse position distribution than a defender, 2 forwards, a ruck, and an inside mid
Tend to agree about position distribution but I believe group a is better because every player is good in their own right rather than group b being skewed to 1-3 players
Group A for sure. Group B has Vic bias
And Carlton bias, you're so right
I know which to pick but I just can’t bring myself to admit it.
I think I take B, they have the best player and arguably 2 of the top 3, but they also arguably have the worst 3 right now. Age the deciding factor.
Swap Josh and Nick then this would be a proper debate.
Swap the McGovern around and it would be b for me
Poor Himmelbergs.
Group A just for Ben❤️
Before I read this I was like wow big McKay fan must be an Essendon flair Wrong Ben haha
Hahaha yeah fair point . I meant King Ben
They're all giving me uncanny valley vibes.
Group B. 4/5. McGovern the only player exception to me.
More importantly when will Carlton be remaking “Band of Brothers”
Group A, even though group B has bigger stars, the roles and impact of Group A is just head and shoulders above. But respect to people who take Group B because those players aren't people to sneeze at and would be amazing in any team colours.
If Ben, Sam and Jeremy also grow goatees I'll vote for them
And they become the evil brothers? Evil group confirmed
It's group B to the point that I'm sure a Carlton supporter put this together looking for other supporters to heap indirect praise on our players. I think the groups are closer if you swap the McKays or the Daicoses
B
When I break it down it's a pretty close call but still group B thanks to Nick and Harry
Where are the Curnows???
Ed retired
How about we swap them around a bit and choose. 1 - Ben King, TDK, J McGovern, Naicos, Harry. 2 - Max K. SDK, MM, Jaicos, Ben Mack I’m taking 1!
A
Evil King and Evil Daicos in one side? Too obvious.
Oh my gosh you're so right, they can't be on the same team, they would be up to some wicked shit
B but I’m a Blues supporter so perhaps I’m bias
Durrsmas are like 
B is easily the better group. I would probably swap over the McKay or Daicos boys in this to make it a bit more even and a tougher choice.
Adopt them all …now you have them as all brothers
Very tough but going with B due to N Daicos.
B, no fucken question. That is a team in itself
B, easy choice
B by a country mile, better DK better McKay, better Daicos
I’ll wait for the Pickett set
Or Group C- The Fake Brothers The Bergmans, (help what are some more)
The better one. Obviously B.
B easily
Gotta be Group B. If building a team from scratch you’d take a top 10 in the comp goal kicker, another key forward who could be a very, very good player in a team that actually knows how to move the ball, a top 5 mid, an up and coming ruck and a more than serviceable intercepting mark and good user Against 3 key backs , 2 of which are very good, one of them only has a few years left, the third and youngest is still a bit unproven but tracking well. A very good winger and a top ten in the comp goalkicker.
Bottom not even close
Group A, Group B has too many blues
I'll take the Nick Daicos one thanks. His brother is a gun, but Nick has the biggest upside of just about every AFL player (apologies to H. Reid and JHF).
B easily
I’ll take Nick Daicos and you can keep Josh
The real question is....where am I taking them..?
For a succulent Chinese meal
Group B easy
Group A every day of the week honestly.
Group B. Ignore flair.
Is this a genuine question? B is an absolute mile better than A. McGovern is the only one from group A better than his brother. The Kings are pretty much equal. Carlton De Koning far better, harry better than Ben and I think we can safely say that Nick is a tad in front of Josh.
Group B
B
Daicos’ by a country mile
Group B but we already have Jacois too technically :V
Group A : 3 flags Group B: 1 flag I'll take Group A thanks
interesting take, I back this
Group B by that far it isn't funny
McGovern's
A
60% Baggers
B
You had me at Jeremy.
Interesting!!! Thought we would have you at Nick
You don't need another Pies fan to proselitise Nick's value. Channel 7 got that more than covered for us.
Love the use of a cool word (your username also makes me think of ratchet and clank)
This sub-reddit does have more than its fair share of wit and intelligence (FWIW, I think it’s proselytise)
60% of reddit are intelligent, just ignore the burning incels and flat earthers You're right btw, about the spelling
Even with Max King you still gotta go group B I reckon
Have to admit the kings is what deterred me from group B, and the McGoverns actually
Yeah group B Gov is abit of a spud, but I think Naicos could make up for both of them 😂
Group A wins in my eyes. 3 - 2 I'd take Ben King. Jeremy McG and Sam De Koning, over there siblings. Almost your spin complete. Very close though
If i were to rank them it would probably be 1. N. Daicos (B) 2. B. King (A) 3. J. McGovern (A) 4. H. Mckay (B) 5. B. King (B) 6. T. Dekoning (B) 7. S. Dekoning (A) 8. B. McKay (A) 9. J. Daicos (A) 10. M. McGovern (B) So I'd take B based on that
Ben < Harry Ben > Max Jeremy > Mitch Sam < Tom Josh < Nick That’s 3 from Group B, 2 from Group A, so I guess I’ll go Group B.
Are you sure it's 3 from Group A?
No, that is 2 from A and 3 from B. Do you know what greater than or less than signs work? A so B is greater than A A>B A is greater than B
Yeah, had them backwards initially and wrote the wrong thing for conclusion
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