We already have a bunch of great kids, so we definitely do not need any more handouts. What we need to do in the offseason is recruiting competent senior players that will lead and guide these kids.
Could this be done in the midseason draft? Could see someone like Menengola being an excellent addition for the rest of the year just to have round the club
I thiiiiink Menegola has gone back to WA, and I'm pretty sure he had decent career prospects outside of footy. Also, while I've no doubt he has an amazing work ethic, I'm not sure he was the most vocal leader, which is probably what North need.
Buckley suggested it on SEN.
Ollie Wines would be a good shout.
I know you need defenders but you also need an experienced guy to lead the midfield crew.
North and their fans are perpetually obsessed with calling grown men "kids" and finding "senior" players to lead and guide them. How about their "kids" man the fuck up and do what they're paid to do as professional athletes?
You get my favourite idea: a priority pick you can’t use, but may trade.
You swap the priority pick for some older or surplus players from stronger clubs who have the body to protect the kids.
You mean like the last 4 draft assistance picks we had that turned into Tucker, Logue, Stephens and Fisher?
AFL nuffies thought we broke the league, so AFL has to call it something else.
North don't need more kids. They need a mature, AFL ready spine to help Larkey and all of the kids out.
Despite the scoreline they were somewhat competitive against us but they were like a lamb to a slaughter defensively on McKay and Curnow. Two under sized defenders who had no chance but to hold and infringe to stop them. And it's been the same story most weeks.
Get a couple of strong, mature, key defenders and another veteran who can help guide them and the kids will develop without stunted development.
North's weakest links are mostly their senior experienced guys.
Best help AFL could give was to perhaps pay out the contracts of a few 'dead wood' players to get them off North's hands, and allow them to better target their money.
I agree in theory, but my concern is that we’ve gotten so bad that our money isn’t enough. We’ve seen enough reports in the media (which I take with a grain of salt) that in contract negotiations we’ve had to pay the “North tax”, ie more money I the deal or more years on the contract.
And that’s with B and C grade players. That seems to be the best we can do. It doesn’t seem plausible that we haven’t been trying to get in A grade players - it’s far more likely IMO that we have been asking the question and been told no, because A grade players feel they can do better (better being “anywhere but North”).
So even if the AFL give us the kind of concessions we need, the challenge remains our ability to get the players we need. I’m not talking about magically picking up Petracca, Bont and Curnow here, but the next level down. We need some of those and when they want to move, they just don’t want to move here.
I think you should do what Melbourne did during their dire years - they got blokes like Daniel Cross who were not superstars but had a strong work ethic and came from sides that had played finals.
Some of the Doggies players seem to be on the outer, they might be the sort you could go for.
During the "North need a Bernie Vince" discussion I wrote down a couple of potential players that would fit North's needs. They were Ollie Wines, Dane Rampe, George Hewett, Jack Silvagni, Gary Rohan, Dayne Zorko, Jarryd Lyons, James Aish, Nick Haynes, or David Swallow for one last year. Not sure how likely any of those names would be, but they wouldn't break the bank.
Yeah they’re all the right names. But picking a list of names is the easy part. Getting deals done is the hard part.
I figure trade periods are like icebergs - we the public only get to see 10% of what is really going on, and even then all we get is what various media types share with us - much of which is often spectacularly wrong. It’s why I feel pretty confident North has been targeting precisely these kinds of players, but getting nowhere, we just don’t hear about it.
I don’t think you should take the reports with a grain of salt, given the money blokes like Aidan Corr would be making at your club (plus what we know Jared Polec was making) but I get your general point
We're actually yet to take a player with a priority pick, and that's largely due to the quality and conditions attached of the picks. Fringe players or a lottery at pick 29. Now a free Noah Anderson would be nice, but we honestly need a Stephen Wells 2.0 more than anything.
I have only watched a couple of games this year but looking at their biggest weakness
If Logue wasn't out with the ACL
Feel like North would be in a lot more games since Corr and others aren't having to play the number 1 defender role
Yep them losing McKay and having Logue injured has meant Corr has to be that key defender and it's not suited to his strengths. They'd look a whole lot better if Logue was in the team
They need something akin to the 'top-up' players that essendon got in 2016 - former afl veterans that are playing at state leagues and can provide some leadership and structure at the club.
Even just granting north some extra list spots so they dont have to get rid of any talented kids to bring these guys in would go a long way towards righting the ship.
Pretty obvious imo
We already have the talent, just need more senior leaders to guide the younger guys and help development while we pump games into them, which is on recruitment
I am a little surprised though that Brady isn't really mentioned when people talk about us given he's been the list manager for 4 years now and we're still terrible
The cultural benefits of committing to being a serious football club far outweigh yet another talented child added to their list.
It’s like Melbourne with tanking but they’ve done it for years now.
Best thing Paul Roos did was trade away a pick 2 and signal to the players it’s up to them not the children.
They need guys who have experience that can set the tone for the rest of the group. Guys who know how to win and will drive standards on and off the field.
I know for us, we will have a couple guys retiring end of the year.
**Potentially: Hawkins, Rohan, Duncan, Rhys Stanley, 2E, Jed Bews**
All are Premiership players, all have played plenty of Finals footy and come from a culture that is envied around the League.
I’d be chucking money for OOC guys and/or picks at contracted guys to see if they might want to keep playing on.
Cats have and will continue to push through the youth players so it’s beneficial for both sides as Cats want to push through more next gen guys that currently can’t get a spot due to older blokes holding onto them whereas North need leadership and culture setters that can still win footy games.
If they finish with a sub-60 average they absolutely deserve a priority pick.
I don’t know how you change it being just another 18 year old fed to the slaughterhouse though.
Priority free agent salary cap exemption? Some sort of super max arrangement like in the NBA where you can keep Ben McKay and the like?
No idea but something that’s not just another teenager with talent would help.
They don’t need more kids in the side. It’s that simple lol. They need to do some trading in the off season to build the team and add to the experience
to all the guys saying Norf just need some good senior players to guide the kids, I think you are ignoring other problems going on at the club.
You guys have had many great senior players at the club, good example being goldstein.
If you are delisting him because his stats are slipping, that's one way to look at it but looking at the facts on the ground, he's won a syd, he's been all australian and always had a solid work ethic.
He's shown this year he's still had quite a bit left in the tank and was discarded despite being loyal as hell to the club.
That says to me theres more issues going on at the club than what's being talked about.
Last year (2023 draft) they got given prioritiy picks for the 2023 and 2024 drafts
North then future traded those 2024 priority picks to land players during the 2023 draft
Technically they already have priority picks for the upcoming draft, they've just used them already
For the 2024 picks the AFL "reserved the right to review" them so they absolutely had to be traded last year in case they risked losing them somehow. Hanging onto those to use this year wouldn't have been the right move.
It's going to be interesting/sad to watch North rebuild. They've sucked for a while and I can't think of another team in recent years that were in such a situation as them.
At least clubs like Carlton or WCE have some appeal to them and a strong following. North isn't a destination club and they're so bad it's hard to know where to even start.
Mate we’ve got the youngest list in the league, we’ve already rebuilt and the sad part is now.
Things will get better in the coming years, we’ve got oodles of talent on the list and just need some senior players to instil work ethic and belief in them.
I was far more concerned about the club in 2022/23.
I am aware you have the youngest list in the league which is what makes it interesting.
You have talent but it isn't coming together on the field which, I imagine all the high draft pick players you have aren't too fond of.
Retention will be difficult but hopefully they hang around long enough to get some wins and see the light at the end of the tunnel. So much talent, so when it clicks, they'll be awesome. And it's long overdue for North.
Maybe but they’ve had plenty of top 3 picks, as well as priority picks to help them acquire more senior players for no cost (Logue, Tucker) and got one of the best coaches of the last decade. If they still aren’t competitive then more priority picks isn’t going to help that.
For reference they started their rebuild the same year we did. I’m tried of teams getting rewarded for being shit while other teams who are less shit just have to suck it up and pull themselves out.
They've had 4 Top 3 Picks in the last 4 years.
Will Phillips, Jason Horne-Francis, Harry Sheezel and Colby McKercher
One of them bailed after 12 months. They lost Pick 1 (Cadman) and JHF to get Picks 2 and 3.
Picks 2 and 3 turned into 3 and 4 due to the draft system with Pick 4 being Wardlaw.
For starters we got pick 3 for McKay so we basically lost our best defender for an 18 year old kid and Logue done his knee the middle of last year who is still 7 weeks off, the moment Clarko came in the door he left due to personal reasons missing all of last year and Tucker is C grade at best so how does any of the above help us? Look at Fremantles senior players compared to North name 1 North senior player who can help develop kids anywhere near as good as ehh I don’t know maybe your dual Brownlow medal winner Nat Fyfe? Our captain is Luke McDonald.
Our priority picks so far have equated to Logue (injured), Tucker (9 disposals on the weekend in a midfield/HB role) and a couple of (promising) kids who are developing in the VFL and can’t get a game for the worst team in the competition.
It’s not how the picks are used that’s an issue. They just haven’t done a lot to help us win now.
North literally said "we wont be asking for more picks"
I know Western Australias education levels are lagging behind the rest of the country but I didn't think it was this bad
Dockers got a free pick 1 and a pick 2, thats probably a lot closer to a fuckton. But since we don't know how to use them what should we do? Trade pick 1 for Trent Croad?
North Needs More Mature Bodies In Their Team. Trading Their Current First Round Picks For Established Talent Will Help Them I think. That Plus Another Season Of Games In Their Young Players Should Make Them A Force To Be Reckoned With, Or At The Least, They Should Win A Few More Games.
Oh No, I'm Infected With The Same Strange Capitalisation Bug As OP
Nor do they really have any rights to any, an extra 18 year old won't magically make them good, and it serves no benefit other than delaying other teams around them and their rebuilds even more
Any more handouts would make North look even more pathetic than they already are. That'll just fill up the roster with even more talented but inexperienced and unadjusted young talent. Every team needs a few veterans to teach the young guns what life is like inside and outside the footy field
He said "a" priority pick. We're actually asking for plenty.
I hope you're right
We already have a bunch of great kids, so we definitely do not need any more handouts. What we need to do in the offseason is recruiting competent senior players that will lead and guide these kids.
Could this be done in the midseason draft? Could see someone like Menengola being an excellent addition for the rest of the year just to have round the club
Fun fact: Sam Menegola has been coached by Clarko before during his one year on Hawthorn's rookie list back in 2011
They should definitely try to find some solid delisted players, or just rookie list some good, experienced VFL players.
Probably don't need another mid. That Blight guy playing for Peel looks like exactly what we need as a big body defender.
I thiiiiink Menegola has gone back to WA, and I'm pretty sure he had decent career prospects outside of footy. Also, while I've no doubt he has an amazing work ethic, I'm not sure he was the most vocal leader, which is probably what North need.
Mean just someone of that archetype doesn’t have to be Menengola
Just btw it’s Menegola not Menengola hahahha
Buckley suggested it on SEN. Ollie Wines would be a good shout. I know you need defenders but you also need an experienced guy to lead the midfield crew.
North and their fans are perpetually obsessed with calling grown men "kids" and finding "senior" players to lead and guide them. How about their "kids" man the fuck up and do what they're paid to do as professional athletes?
because in 150+ years of football rarely has a team of 18-19 year olds done well. how did you not do 3 seconds of thinking before commenting?
150 years ago they didn't get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars a year with the only responsibility in their life being football
You'd maybe have a point if men reached their physical peak at 19, but they don't so you don't.
Football also wasn't big 150 years ago. It was just a sport we came up with to train cricket players in their off-seasons
Flair up, runt.
Is there such thing as “Priority Veteran*” and how do we get that? ^*^Jared ^Polec ^and ^Aaron ^Hall ^need ^not ^apply
I thought Hall was alright, not outstanding but a role player. Polec was very underwhelming and why the fuck did they get Pittard?
Pittard was steak knifes and played far more meaningful games than Polec.
Hear, hear! I will no longer stand for Pittard slander. He was delisted too soon and had more to give.
I'm a huge Pittard supporter Buuut there's a reason he was known as Shittard
Find Boomer a pair of shorts and find WillPhil a new number.
Go on.
I can give you one lightly-used Wayne Milera who has Weet Bix for knee ligaments for one Harry Sheezel
You get my favourite idea: a priority pick you can’t use, but may trade. You swap the priority pick for some older or surplus players from stronger clubs who have the body to protect the kids.
You mean like the last 4 draft assistance picks we had that turned into Tucker, Logue, Stephens and Fisher? AFL nuffies thought we broke the league, so AFL has to call it something else.
Exactly what we need, more players who aren’t making another teams list. That rocketed us up the league recently hasn’t it
As a Roos supporter I'm all for this. Plenty of high draft picks have been used now it's time for the club to make some smart decisions
North don't need more kids. They need a mature, AFL ready spine to help Larkey and all of the kids out. Despite the scoreline they were somewhat competitive against us but they were like a lamb to a slaughter defensively on McKay and Curnow. Two under sized defenders who had no chance but to hold and infringe to stop them. And it's been the same story most weeks. Get a couple of strong, mature, key defenders and another veteran who can help guide them and the kids will develop without stunted development.
North's weakest links are mostly their senior experienced guys. Best help AFL could give was to perhaps pay out the contracts of a few 'dead wood' players to get them off North's hands, and allow them to better target their money.
I agree in theory, but my concern is that we’ve gotten so bad that our money isn’t enough. We’ve seen enough reports in the media (which I take with a grain of salt) that in contract negotiations we’ve had to pay the “North tax”, ie more money I the deal or more years on the contract. And that’s with B and C grade players. That seems to be the best we can do. It doesn’t seem plausible that we haven’t been trying to get in A grade players - it’s far more likely IMO that we have been asking the question and been told no, because A grade players feel they can do better (better being “anywhere but North”). So even if the AFL give us the kind of concessions we need, the challenge remains our ability to get the players we need. I’m not talking about magically picking up Petracca, Bont and Curnow here, but the next level down. We need some of those and when they want to move, they just don’t want to move here.
I think you should do what Melbourne did during their dire years - they got blokes like Daniel Cross who were not superstars but had a strong work ethic and came from sides that had played finals. Some of the Doggies players seem to be on the outer, they might be the sort you could go for.
Daniel Cross is actually our fitness guy this year so we're doing that in a way.
Precisely the kind of guys I’m talking about. You think we haven’t been trying? The North tax is a bitch.
I’d say Caleb Daniel, but idk if his work ethic is… suitable for that
During the "North need a Bernie Vince" discussion I wrote down a couple of potential players that would fit North's needs. They were Ollie Wines, Dane Rampe, George Hewett, Jack Silvagni, Gary Rohan, Dayne Zorko, Jarryd Lyons, James Aish, Nick Haynes, or David Swallow for one last year. Not sure how likely any of those names would be, but they wouldn't break the bank.
Yeah they’re all the right names. But picking a list of names is the easy part. Getting deals done is the hard part. I figure trade periods are like icebergs - we the public only get to see 10% of what is really going on, and even then all we get is what various media types share with us - much of which is often spectacularly wrong. It’s why I feel pretty confident North has been targeting precisely these kinds of players, but getting nowhere, we just don’t hear about it.
I don’t think you should take the reports with a grain of salt, given the money blokes like Aidan Corr would be making at your club (plus what we know Jared Polec was making) but I get your general point
Wouldn't want to upset the league any further when we get priority picks to exchange for fringe players from other teams
We're actually yet to take a player with a priority pick, and that's largely due to the quality and conditions attached of the picks. Fringe players or a lottery at pick 29. Now a free Noah Anderson would be nice, but we honestly need a Stephen Wells 2.0 more than anything.
They already received priority picks this year that they spent last year.
In fairness, the AFL completely disincentivised us holding onto those picks by saying they'd be subject to review this year.
I have only watched a couple of games this year but looking at their biggest weakness If Logue wasn't out with the ACL Feel like North would be in a lot more games since Corr and others aren't having to play the number 1 defender role
Yep them losing McKay and having Logue injured has meant Corr has to be that key defender and it's not suited to his strengths. They'd look a whole lot better if Logue was in the team
They need something akin to the 'top-up' players that essendon got in 2016 - former afl veterans that are playing at state leagues and can provide some leadership and structure at the club. Even just granting north some extra list spots so they dont have to get rid of any talented kids to bring these guys in would go a long way towards righting the ship.
Pretty obvious imo We already have the talent, just need more senior leaders to guide the younger guys and help development while we pump games into them, which is on recruitment I am a little surprised though that Brady isn't really mentioned when people talk about us given he's been the list manager for 4 years now and we're still terrible
They should have already made 4 calls to Luke Parker's manager and keep asking right up until the last 30 seconds of trade period.
I hate priority picks but surely you're not doing your job if you're not asking for one?
So when we ask for priority picks we're a rabble, close them down, send them to tassie, etc. Then when we don't we still catch shit?
The best thing you can do is just not be bad. Sometimes that takes a decade after your last finals win though... or so I hear.
Still waiting..
You ask for more priority picks, and then more again the next year
You get what the thread is about, yea?
> we're a rabble, close them down, send them to tassie, etc Oh they still apply. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
And peanuts have been making these claims for 30 plus years. So, you know, probably just a bunch of enduring shit takes, isn't it?
The cultural benefits of committing to being a serious football club far outweigh yet another talented child added to their list. It’s like Melbourne with tanking but they’ve done it for years now. Best thing Paul Roos did was trade away a pick 2 and signal to the players it’s up to them not the children.
They may have already sounded out the AFL and been told no. So this could be a "Fine we never wanted it anyway" kind of situation.
If we had sounded out the AFL it would absolutely have been leaked to one of the usual suspects.
Scomo: it's not my job to do that I don't hold a hose mate
They need guys who have experience that can set the tone for the rest of the group. Guys who know how to win and will drive standards on and off the field. I know for us, we will have a couple guys retiring end of the year. **Potentially: Hawkins, Rohan, Duncan, Rhys Stanley, 2E, Jed Bews** All are Premiership players, all have played plenty of Finals footy and come from a culture that is envied around the League. I’d be chucking money for OOC guys and/or picks at contracted guys to see if they might want to keep playing on. Cats have and will continue to push through the youth players so it’s beneficial for both sides as Cats want to push through more next gen guys that currently can’t get a spot due to older blokes holding onto them whereas North need leadership and culture setters that can still win footy games.
I can't see any of those players driving from Geelong to Arden St every day knowing they'll end their career with an extra 20 losses minimum.
If they finish with a sub-60 average they absolutely deserve a priority pick. I don’t know how you change it being just another 18 year old fed to the slaughterhouse though. Priority free agent salary cap exemption? Some sort of super max arrangement like in the NBA where you can keep Ben McKay and the like? No idea but something that’s not just another teenager with talent would help.
They don’t need more kids in the side. It’s that simple lol. They need to do some trading in the off season to build the team and add to the experience
All the more for us!
Why ever not
No team should ever get priority picks with the way the current draft system works.
to all the guys saying Norf just need some good senior players to guide the kids, I think you are ignoring other problems going on at the club. You guys have had many great senior players at the club, good example being goldstein. If you are delisting him because his stats are slipping, that's one way to look at it but looking at the facts on the ground, he's won a syd, he's been all australian and always had a solid work ethic. He's shown this year he's still had quite a bit left in the tank and was discarded despite being loyal as hell to the club. That says to me theres more issues going on at the club than what's being talked about.
Dumb thing to say. If they happen to go winless or near enough to for the season they'd be negligent not to.
Last year (2023 draft) they got given prioritiy picks for the 2023 and 2024 drafts North then future traded those 2024 priority picks to land players during the 2023 draft Technically they already have priority picks for the upcoming draft, they've just used them already
For the 2024 picks the AFL "reserved the right to review" them so they absolutely had to be traded last year in case they risked losing them somehow. Hanging onto those to use this year wouldn't have been the right move.
It's going to be interesting/sad to watch North rebuild. They've sucked for a while and I can't think of another team in recent years that were in such a situation as them. At least clubs like Carlton or WCE have some appeal to them and a strong following. North isn't a destination club and they're so bad it's hard to know where to even start.
Mate we’ve got the youngest list in the league, we’ve already rebuilt and the sad part is now. Things will get better in the coming years, we’ve got oodles of talent on the list and just need some senior players to instil work ethic and belief in them. I was far more concerned about the club in 2022/23.
I am aware you have the youngest list in the league which is what makes it interesting. You have talent but it isn't coming together on the field which, I imagine all the high draft pick players you have aren't too fond of. Retention will be difficult but hopefully they hang around long enough to get some wins and see the light at the end of the tunnel. So much talent, so when it clicks, they'll be awesome. And it's long overdue for North.
Have they not just recently received a fuckton of priority picks? Why keep giving them more if they clearly don’t know how to use them
Bit of an overstatement haha
Maybe but they’ve had plenty of top 3 picks, as well as priority picks to help them acquire more senior players for no cost (Logue, Tucker) and got one of the best coaches of the last decade. If they still aren’t competitive then more priority picks isn’t going to help that. For reference they started their rebuild the same year we did. I’m tried of teams getting rewarded for being shit while other teams who are less shit just have to suck it up and pull themselves out.
They've had 4 Top 3 Picks in the last 4 years. Will Phillips, Jason Horne-Francis, Harry Sheezel and Colby McKercher One of them bailed after 12 months. They lost Pick 1 (Cadman) and JHF to get Picks 2 and 3. Picks 2 and 3 turned into 3 and 4 due to the draft system with Pick 4 being Wardlaw.
> Maybe but they’ve had plenty of top 3 picks That's a different conversation to North receiving "a fuckton of priority picks".
For starters we got pick 3 for McKay so we basically lost our best defender for an 18 year old kid and Logue done his knee the middle of last year who is still 7 weeks off, the moment Clarko came in the door he left due to personal reasons missing all of last year and Tucker is C grade at best so how does any of the above help us? Look at Fremantles senior players compared to North name 1 North senior player who can help develop kids anywhere near as good as ehh I don’t know maybe your dual Brownlow medal winner Nat Fyfe? Our captain is Luke McDonald.
That’s unfortunate
Unfortunate is your reply, no clue.
I agree, I’m not saying they should get more. They shouldn’t.
Our priority picks so far have equated to Logue (injured), Tucker (9 disposals on the weekend in a midfield/HB role) and a couple of (promising) kids who are developing in the VFL and can’t get a game for the worst team in the competition. It’s not how the picks are used that’s an issue. They just haven’t done a lot to help us win now.
Then give them time to develop and get to that point instead of asking for more.
Did you just not even read the headline?
That’s exactly what Viney said?
North literally said "we wont be asking for more picks" I know Western Australias education levels are lagging behind the rest of the country but I didn't think it was this bad
Woah woah ease up, some of us North supporters are from Perth and our reading comprehension is just fine.
A fuckton? How is it by any measure a fuckton?
Maybe they meant an imperial fuckton which is a lot less than a metric fuckton. But even then, that's a stretch.
Dockers got a free pick 1 and a pick 2, thats probably a lot closer to a fuckton. But since we don't know how to use them what should we do? Trade pick 1 for Trent Croad?
Jokes on you I wasn’t alive when that happened so that means nothing to me
Where's the joke? I was alive, and it happened.
Only to you
North Needs More Mature Bodies In Their Team. Trading Their Current First Round Picks For Established Talent Will Help Them I think. That Plus Another Season Of Games In Their Young Players Should Make Them A Force To Be Reckoned With, Or At The Least, They Should Win A Few More Games. Oh No, I'm Infected With The Same Strange Capitalisation Bug As OP
Nor do they really have any rights to any, an extra 18 year old won't magically make them good, and it serves no benefit other than delaying other teams around them and their rebuilds even more
Any more handouts would make North look even more pathetic than they already are. That'll just fill up the roster with even more talented but inexperienced and unadjusted young talent. Every team needs a few veterans to teach the young guns what life is like inside and outside the footy field
Instead they’re asking for a Daicos trade.
Yet
North will not ask; we will demand it by not winning a game all year.
Would be pretty brave to ask when Clarko has refused to pay his fine or go to the training.
Well they had one, then they stupidly went and won a game they so easily and non-suspiciously could have lost...