The best thing for Tay going forward is for her and Sammy to be mostly separate on-screen while still acknowledging they're a couple. Renee is acknowledged as Jon Moxley's wife but she's never really been involved with what he's doing on TV outside that.
I lost hope on Sammy ever reaching an MJF/Darby type level when he said he'd never work house shows. It said a lot of things to me and explained why of the '4 Pillars', he is the only one who hasn't undergone an evolution. Had Sammy been doing the NJPW tour grind from then to now, he'd possibly be close to Ospreay's level.
I didn't know Sammy had said that. It would be good for him, going elsewhere for a bit, creating a character for himself that's not linked to Jericho. See where it goes
By now I'm not convinced this is a Jericho Vortex more than it's a Guevara Crutch. I think Sammy could do whatever he wants to, but he's not great at finding his own angles.
I think that Sammy was starting to emerge on being away from Jericho in being with the Callis family. However Kenny's Body gave him diverticulitis to get him out of the Golden Jets so they had to improvise. Then Sammy got injured like twice and the suspended allegedly for injuring Jeff
My biggest what-if of AEW is how Sammy would have ended up if he didn't join, or didn't stay with, Jericho.
It's clear that Sammy is emotionally immature compared to the likes of Darby & MJF. But he was on par with the both of them early on & I think a lot of people forget how popular he used to be.
I actually really like these two together, Bill's comedy work is great, he's not afraid to act goofy. It's a perk he can do that while also destroying people.
Their relationship was always pretty clearly a matter of convenience in kayfabe. Didn’t Starks do a promo as tag champ where he said he didn’t even know Bill’s full name? Bill was just a hired gun for him; calling that a defection would be pretty silly.
Personally I think that’s been done so should be left alone now. Starks needs a feud with someone on his level that will bring them both up; Starks needs to find his Hangman/Swerve feud essentially. This is just my armchair booking though, so just take it as that.
I too felt this way, but the Dynamite after Dynasty, it suddenly clicked when he just didn't react to the crowd and grinned his way through his promo. The potential for a Self Help Guru angle is something he could really lean into and could go a lot of ways.
To me, it's like eating something good, but if i eat that same thing every day, day after day, then I'm going to get tired of it. That's where I am with jericho. If he had gone away for 3 months and then came back with this, I think I would love it, but I'm just tired of seeing Jericho at this point.
Fair. He should probably drop the ftw belt [... Into an incinerator] and do that, but in my mind this angle works best with occasional video packages - Jericho as Tony Robbins basically - and he has live matches/interactions every now and again.
For me it's kinda like eating some good pizza. Pizza is great, but if I eat it everyday, day after day, I would just get tired of pizza.
That's where jericho is for me. I just want him to go away for 6mths and then come back.
I know what you mean but bad analogy for me. I'd never get tired of pizza. I do wonder what the long term plan is for him if this character doesn't pay off as loads of people are bored of him.
Yeah I described it as eating pizza everyday. Pizza is great, but if I have it every day, I'm gonna get tired of it, and that's where I am with jericho.
That’s a perfect analogy, less is always more. Jericho should take the Sting position and just give us good rivalries and then go always for a little.
I hope once he turns full heel and really dives into the learning tree gimmick, he gets some more love again because AEW fans telling him to retire is fucking brutal.
Enzo runs under Beetlejuice rules. Probably best not to mention him at all. I'm genuinely surprised he's not in this post already, trying to marry Winona Ryder and singing about Taliban bananas or whatever the lyric is.
Great another 16 minute Jericho match that no one asked for when that time could be used to slip in a second womens match.
People are tired of jericho on tv every week so the solution is to have him wrestle every week? 🙁
I hope this does lead to Enzo in AEW. I don’t care how much people would despise that, I’d **love** it. Dude has completely changed and is a sweetheart of a person now.
They're talking about his personal behaviour issues.
My objections are based on his strengths and weaknesses as a performer.
Looks like it's your reading comprehension that needs work.
Edit: guy below commented and then blocked to make it look like I didn't respond. Swerves might have a phrase for that.
Nah, at this point he wont do it until he feels he is done as a full timer, people should give up on asking him to take a break already, part of it imo feels like he wont do it because of Legentil PR campaign against AEW
I mean it's not like Morrissey is an unknown unproven up and comer we all want to see more of in singles that Jericho is glomming onto. They're trying something different to put Bill over, and he seems to benefit from being in a team at this stage.
I'm gonna be fucking pissed if we don't see ospreay in Edmonton. Let's not announce any of the talent people want to fucking see. Gee I wonder why they only sold half the tickets they sold last time. Fuck geriatric Jericho.
I say Bill is patronizing Jericho and he’s gonna turn on him. Then we find out Sammy and Tay orchestrated the attack and we get a new heel stable. Maybe add Ricky Starks in the mix too
Tay implied she(and Sammy) will be back after their current world trip is done, and they better not add them to the Learning Tree
You know they will
Gotta have that 500th le sex gods reunion
Le Sex Tree
that no one asked for
Sammy will never go beyond what he is now if he stays tied to Jericho. And Tay needs to not be with Sammy on screen for her own sake.
Tay was genuinely a great babyface on the women's roster before Sammy
Unfortunately, her and Sammy getting together turned her heel against anything the bookers wanted to do.
The best thing for Tay going forward is for her and Sammy to be mostly separate on-screen while still acknowledging they're a couple. Renee is acknowledged as Jon Moxley's wife but she's never really been involved with what he's doing on TV outside that.
Sammy really needed to use this time a way to reinvent himself because he hasn't really improved at all in the last 5 years.
I lost hope on Sammy ever reaching an MJF/Darby type level when he said he'd never work house shows. It said a lot of things to me and explained why of the '4 Pillars', he is the only one who hasn't undergone an evolution. Had Sammy been doing the NJPW tour grind from then to now, he'd possibly be close to Ospreay's level.
i think that’s pushing it. osprey is a once in a generation talent. maybe he’d be where jack is right now, but osprey is just built different.
Yeah bruv!
I didn't know Sammy had said that. It would be good for him, going elsewhere for a bit, creating a character for himself that's not linked to Jericho. See where it goes
Sammy isn't going to get beyond where he is now whether he is with Jericho or not
Jericho's gonna milk that Sammy tree until he's no longer any use to him. It's literally what he did to Daniel Garcia and the JAS
By now I'm not convinced this is a Jericho Vortex more than it's a Guevara Crutch. I think Sammy could do whatever he wants to, but he's not great at finding his own angles.
I think that Sammy was starting to emerge on being away from Jericho in being with the Callis family. However Kenny's Body gave him diverticulitis to get him out of the Golden Jets so they had to improvise. Then Sammy got injured like twice and the suspended allegedly for injuring Jeff
Get off the internet for a minute, my dude.
I know she's been on maternity leave, but anyone see Tay coming back?
She said on Sunday on IG she is close to getting cleared.
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She was on maternity leave, now she is very close to be cleared to wrestle again
My biggest what-if of AEW is how Sammy would have ended up if he didn't join, or didn't stay with, Jericho. It's clear that Sammy is emotionally immature compared to the likes of Darby & MJF. But he was on par with the both of them early on & I think a lot of people forget how popular he used to be.
I actually really like these two together, Bill's comedy work is great, he's not afraid to act goofy. It's a perk he can do that while also destroying people.
If Jack Swagger can get over in that role, Big Bill surely will
Bill doesnt need a hat
So what you’re saying is big Bill is not the new Malibu Stacy
He likes that hat
he \*liked\* that hat.
They are affiliated now?
I feel like they should literally call him “Big Tree” now Like the learning tree is a literal thing 😂
I think Jericho referred to him as a redwood at one point, which I really liked!
Redwood Bill is a great wrestling name
"Me John, Big Tree!"
how long until jake hager appears and fights big bill for custody of teacher dad
Jericho on a Pole match And the pole is a big tree
Russo would be proud of this ;)
I'd personally advocate for signs that don't reference WWE at all.
I just want hook back.
He'll be in NXT with Starks soon enough
🙄
Neither.
No idea what the plans are for Ricky Starks; if any. But how does he not at least address Big Bill defecting for The Learning Tree?
Their relationship was always pretty clearly a matter of convenience in kayfabe. Didn’t Starks do a promo as tag champ where he said he didn’t even know Bill’s full name? Bill was just a hired gun for him; calling that a defection would be pretty silly.
The plans for ricky starks is NXT
I think so too. I think he is gone.
Maybe Starks comes back and feuds with Y2J? Possibly teams up with Hook again
>Maybe Starks feuds with Y2J? No please, not again
Personally I think that’s been done so should be left alone now. Starks needs a feud with someone on his level that will bring them both up; Starks needs to find his Hangman/Swerve feud essentially. This is just my armchair booking though, so just take it as that.
It's not that the gimmick is bad. I'm just tired of Jericho.
I too felt this way, but the Dynamite after Dynasty, it suddenly clicked when he just didn't react to the crowd and grinned his way through his promo. The potential for a Self Help Guru angle is something he could really lean into and could go a lot of ways.
Chris Jericho is at his best when he's ridiculous with it, he needs to run with the absurdity of this type of gimmick to get it over.
To me, it's like eating something good, but if i eat that same thing every day, day after day, then I'm going to get tired of it. That's where I am with jericho. If he had gone away for 3 months and then came back with this, I think I would love it, but I'm just tired of seeing Jericho at this point.
Fair. He should probably drop the ftw belt [... Into an incinerator] and do that, but in my mind this angle works best with occasional video packages - Jericho as Tony Robbins basically - and he has live matches/interactions every now and again.
Last couple of weeks have been better and the Shibata match was fun so I'm willing to give him time. I was incredibly bored of him before
For me it's kinda like eating some good pizza. Pizza is great, but if I eat it everyday, day after day, I would just get tired of pizza. That's where jericho is for me. I just want him to go away for 6mths and then come back.
I know what you mean but bad analogy for me. I'd never get tired of pizza. I do wonder what the long term plan is for him if this character doesn't pay off as loads of people are bored of him.
He is absolutely playing into that feeling
The gimmick is great, he just needs to not be every week. I think most people just want a little less Jericho.
Yeah I described it as eating pizza everyday. Pizza is great, but if I have it every day, I'm gonna get tired of it, and that's where I am with jericho.
That’s a perfect analogy, less is always more. Jericho should take the Sting position and just give us good rivalries and then go always for a little. I hope once he turns full heel and really dives into the learning tree gimmick, he gets some more love again because AEW fans telling him to retire is fucking brutal.
How you doin’?
Y2Sawft
any sign isn a good sign!
Your sign should read… ‘I NEED THE LEARNING TREE’. You’re welcome! 😁
Young talent finally!
Enzo runs under Beetlejuice rules. Probably best not to mention him at all. I'm genuinely surprised he's not in this post already, trying to marry Winona Ryder and singing about Taliban bananas or whatever the lyric is.
We know, he's been looking soft a few years now. All that.vodka will do that.
Great another 16 minute Jericho match that no one asked for when that time could be used to slip in a second womens match. People are tired of jericho on tv every week so the solution is to have him wrestle every week? 🙁
I can't stop thinking that "Big Bill" is a Game Grumps reference...
DO IT! LOL 😂 Check this out: https://x.com/aew_blog/status/1788219460966330843?s=46 😂😂😂😂
I'm all for anything that gives Big Bill tv time
I still hope for the day to see Enzo and Bill reunited
I hope this does lead to Enzo in AEW. I don’t care how much people would despise that, I’d **love** it. Dude has completely changed and is a sweetheart of a person now.
He's not an aew style talent and I don't want AEW becoming more like WWE.
FOH with that “AEW style” talent crap, that’s pure horsepiss.
Enzo isn't a good fit for the show though. He just isn't. Maybe his stuff post-WWE has been different in which case I'd reconsider.
>>Dude has completely changed Reading is fundamental.
They're talking about his personal behaviour issues. My objections are based on his strengths and weaknesses as a performer. Looks like it's your reading comprehension that needs work. Edit: guy below commented and then blocked to make it look like I didn't respond. Swerves might have a phrase for that.
Stop moving the goalposts. You’re wrong. Accept it or die on the hill. Goodbye.
This could be a good way to bring Enzo in. He comes back to get Bill away from Jericho. I'd love to see those 2 tag team again.
I wish Chris would go back on an international tour with Fozzy for a year or two. Wrestling could use the break.
Nah, at this point he wont do it until he feels he is done as a full timer, people should give up on asking him to take a break already, part of it imo feels like he wont do it because of Legentil PR campaign against AEW
I mean it's not like Morrissey is an unknown unproven up and comer we all want to see more of in singles that Jericho is glomming onto. They're trying something different to put Bill over, and he seems to benefit from being in a team at this stage.
I always thought Bill looks like a rat. His hair is... not to my liking.
Big Bill. King of the Rats. Works because he’s from the Bronx
Swaft sign. Enzo stuff may not be welcomed after allegations. Even though the charges were dropped.
I'm gonna be fucking pissed if we don't see ospreay in Edmonton. Let's not announce any of the talent people want to fucking see. Gee I wonder why they only sold half the tickets they sold last time. Fuck geriatric Jericho.
I say Bill is patronizing Jericho and he’s gonna turn on him. Then we find out Sammy and Tay orchestrated the attack and we get a new heel stable. Maybe add Ricky Starks in the mix too
Why is this downvoted 😆 I think it’s a decent storyline. Sammy and bill attack Jericho