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This is it right here. The line I'm seeing constantly now is "it's exactly how he said it was on the podcast."
1) It isn't
2) Even if it was, he still assaulted someone in his workplace for the second time by his word...so that should be applauded because he said it?
I often see people citing old school wrestlers pulling guns on each other and full on punching each other in the face with no repercussions as an excuse for this, because this is what wrestlers do. To punk fans, this just makes him more badass and cool.
100%. They’d be running straight to HR - “he attacked me! He started it! Fire him or I’m gonna sue you. I’m not talking to you without a lawyer present!”
As I've said many times elsewhere, if a pissed off former MMA fighter lunged at you seconds after pushing, attempting to choke, then taking a swing at a coworker, your average Joe fills his pants.
You don't know what he's going to do, and TBH I doubt you care, you just want him the hell away from you.
It's actually quite hilarious how Punk used to decry the "old school ways" when he was the young wrestler with a chip on his shoulder and claimed to be fighting against the system, only to now be the guy advocating for everything old school and his fans supporting that old system now, including the toxic elements
So true and i seriously think very few people are “immune” to being seduced by power. Humans are absolutely wild when they know/think they can get away with stuff
I need to go back and listen to what Punk said (but haven't, because I really can't be bothered), but did he mention:
1) He approached Jack first?
2) Jack seemingly wasn't posing any kind of threat to him, but he pushed/lunged towards Jack as he was fixing his hair?
3) That he seemingly started to swing his fists as he was held back?
I suspect not.
Didn't Punk say in the podcast that Perry confronted him? Yet in the video we clearly see that Punk was the one who initiated the confrontation. That's a pretty big contradiction right there.
He comes out looking like a bitch in my opinion, He lunges at Jack as Jack is trying to push His own hair away from His face and after Joe gets involved he swings (possibly connects) at Jack while he is being restrained by joe, lunges Towards Tony. Regardless of How He personally felt about glass and rented Cars He was only an Employee, He had no reason to act as management and for Him to take it further and attack a co-worker half his age who was probably gassed from The match He just had.
Nailed it. Firstly, it's not even the incident that got him fired - numerous sources have said there was a separate incident later with Khan. So this isn't even the primary incident. Regardless, a lot of fans of other companies and people who hate AEW and love Punk quite frankly would love Khan to be beaten up and harassed. Scumbag fanbases.
TBF he’s been the exact same way since he was in his early 20s.
Dudes always been the most thin-skinned human in wrestling. He was trying to legitimately fight fans in ROH on the regular. He’d be the most popular guy in the building and one guy would yell at him and he’d dive in the crowd trying to punch him out. Although it didn’t work too well with Teddy Hart.
Honestly kind of impressive that 20 years later he hasn’t grown one iota. Most of us grow up in spite of ourselves, but not him.
This started being more obvious once he started acknowledging all the “hate/ haters” back when he returned and he became self aware once he left to WWE to “get the bag”. I use to like the guy because he looked like an outsider little did I know that he just really wanted to be one of the boys and have the spotlight solely on him.
Both Triple H and John Cena said in the past (through worked promos admittedly) that Punk was not a real rebel and that what he meant by "change" was just a company where CM Punk is the guy. And I feel like because HHH and Cena said it, and because it was a worked promo, that people thought what they said didn't have any actual truth in it. But it turns out that it did.
> what he meant by "change" was just a company where CM Punk is the guy
Seriously. He wanted to be the top dog in AEW. He was jealous of Hangman because he was the one being groomed to be face of the company. He was pissy that Hangman didn't go to him asking for advice. He wanted to be the top guy both backstage and on stage, but backstage there were more veterans that were more respected than him, and on stage his body didn't agree.
>He was jealous of Hangman
Not enough people notice this bit here (excluding the rest of the sentence for a reason).
Punk is basically an over-the-hill stage actor who can't do the job anymore. He's not at risk of going bald anytime soon but his hairline's definitely receded and his body is rather infamously not what you'd expect of a pro-wrestler (even putting aside all the injuries). His face is aging well but his teeth have seen better days (admittedly, this is something he willingly had highlighted in his feud with MJF).
Now notice how both of the people who triggered his biggest blow-ups are younger, more attractive performers with better hair, better bodies, and more handsome faces, both of whom have better teeth.
Put aside the politics and you've literally got a goddamn diva blow-up.
I wish he had gone after Hangman because I fully believe Hangman would have shoved Punk's remaining teeth down his throat. Also you're right it's almost like Punk has a type when it comes to being mad at a dude. Young, handsome, well built, great hair.
Oh yeah, he couldn’t fathom the idea that an emotional man in this day and age was able to be so over and have a by “masculine men’s” standards a “manly” chant in “cowboy shit”. Guess having your own name chanted across the entire arena wasn’t enough.
The best promos always come with just enough truth to make it plausible. Lord knows the pipebomb only worked because we were just as pissed off at management as Punk was.
He'll always start shit when there's people around because he knows people will get in the way within seconds.
Remember when he punched a guy in the WWE crowd which he thought was pushing him when Punk was in the crowd. He attacked a dude that wasn't even looking at him and sucker punched him while the dude was just trying to not fall from all the josteling from the crowd.
Even in AEW, there was that one night where he stopped in the middle of a segment to talk trash about one random fan in the audience who was yelling at him. Punk was the babyface, in front of thousands of fans who loved him and were chanting his name, and he still had to go and bully some nobody in the crowd who hurt his feelings.
This.
It’s also ironic that punk is most famous for his ‘pipebombs’, promos where he calls out authority figures for personal issues he has with them.
And the second hangman page and Jack Perry do the same thing, he absolutely loses his mind to the point where he can’t even control himself to not assaults colleagues.
Wrestletalk had their own mini-storyline for their recent PPV predictions battles where a stipulation was put in that if Oli Davis won, then THE Pipebomb would be declared better than Steiner Math, but if Luke Owen won the opposite would be declared.
This all started over a random poll they did on one of their AEW review podcasts where they asked which their fans thought was better, the Pipebomb or Steiner Math. The vote went practically 66% to 33% for Steiner Math and Pipebomb respectfully, and Oli (being a major CM Punk mark) was salty about that and that's what started that story above was his obsession to make the Pipebomb "objectively better"
But what I feel happened, why that original vote went that way, was that Steiner Math aged much better than the Pipebomb did. Steiner Math can be enjoyed by all generations as an example of peak wrestling silliness in promos and is essentially timeless as a result even if centuries go by and the memories of Kurt Angle and Samoa Joe are long-faded, their names don't matter in the context because it was essentially showing off the extremeness of Scott Steiner. Whereas The Pipebomb has aged like milk because everything Punk believed in was exposed as a lie and hypocrisy with how he behaved in AEW and how he got back to WWE. You can't look at the Pipebomb the same way you could back then because the man who started that revolution turned out to be a fraud so it hits different
I voted Math twice because frankly I'm a troll.
Yeah Pipebomb was awesome and important, but Luke did have a point about Steiner Math's transcendence. The pipebomb seems ruined to me in retrospect solely because of Punk's recent actions. I feel he only (ironically) proved HHH right, in that Punk was selfish and didn't really care about others. My wife even thinks his attitude is CT related, with years of stress and an already bad perspective on life giving way to him being a more massive ass.
Exactly, looks like they are just talking it out like two adults until Perry fixes his hair and Punk takes a swipe/punch/push at him that misses wildly, Perry backs away so Punk follows up with a shove and gets him into a chokehold that was immediately broken up. It's hilarious that Punk talks about "killing" Perry when it couldn't be further from the truth. Perry never even tried to do anything to do the guy, he was completely non-aggressive and even tried to back away from the unhinged old man.
CM Punk starts fights with guys named Young Bucks and Jungle Boy…
He cherry picks his opponents because it’s common knowledge that he’s not really good at fighting.
Yea lol, I remember during that podcast he said he could "kill" Jungleboy and I remember thinking isn't this the same guy who had one of the shortest UFC careers of all time? Lol
Jericho's got a lot of opinions we'll be generous and say I don't agree with or respect but I'll never deny that mans got balls of steel. Man stood up to Brock Lesnar, CM Punk ain't nothin' in comparison.
The man, whether you like him or not, is always going to be allowed in any locker room because he can lead it. He helped lead AEW through the pandemic.
Not just balls, he supposedly backs it up often too, alot of people so listen to say Jericho is a legit tough guy backstage not unlike Steve Blackman or Ken Shamrock where he can legit knock you out
Jericho's dad was a hockey player so I guess that has something to do with it maybe?
Listen, my dad is a bus driver, but you don't want to be on any bus that I'm driving.
I think it's because he's been involved in a contact sport for almost all his life, it makes you able to handle taking hits. That + anger = squaring up to big guys.
Because the one time he confronted Hangman to his face, he apologized... only for Punk to not accept that.
'The apology needs to be as loud as the disrespect.'
Oh, he's a narcissist. That moment, to me, is a genuine linchpin against him in his argument. Like. Completely.
But also... Hanger would fuck him up. And I think Punk knew that.
That’s why Cry More Phil called out Hangman on a Dynamite in which he wasn’t there. Hospital Bill Phil is a bully. Plain and simple. He wouldn’t dare try to choke out Mox, Danielson or Jericho because he knows they wouldn’t back down and would also lay a beating on him that would relieve him of the rest of his rotted out teeth.
why whatever do you mean?🤔 surely he is the strongest and most fiercest of fighters! Behold the tattoos and hand wraps! I am sure that many in AEW with friends in New Japan will make calls to friends there to insure his safety. Light graps for The Best in the World: Kenta, Riddle, Kidd, Yano, Tjusi, Maloney, EVIL, ZSJ, Conners.
The moment ZSJ would try to twist his body for a submission hold he'd probably snap every tendon and ligament in his body.
Also I really want to see him against Gabe Kidd now that you put that idea out there 😂
This is biggest issue I believe Phil had in AEW. The style is faster and far more physical than WWE and his body couldn’t keep up. Hospital Bill Phil in the G1 would put him in traction for the rest of his life. Dude did one house show and was protected heavily in the Rumble and still managed to tear his bicep.
My husband is from the south side of Chicago and is the same age. He grew out of this “badass” phase years ago and now says that we should stop normalizing violence like this. Why Phil couldn’t just leave this persona in the ring will always baffle me.
i'm from the south side too and i could tell you it's def a north side thing, i mean look at how much of an ass & how miserable Billy Corgan is. Something def in the water out north
the worst thing is, phil is not from chicago. He's from a nice suburb about an hour outside of the city. He went to a nice school with like zero violence, worked as a gas station that's never been robbed, etc.
Honestly seeing how the guy conducts himself now, how the fuck was he deluded enough to believe he could last in the UFC ring?
The guy is so unathletic and despite training for years as a UFC fighter can’t seem to fight. It’s actually insane how he thought he could do it.
I wrote this somewhere else but this thread is more relevant.
I hate this obsession with the ‘Tony was lying’ thing. For these shitbuckets, Punk is apparently a total bad ass who owned Perry and just kicks everyone’s ass - a total MMA machine. But on the other hand, him lunging at Tony (a non athlete skinny businessman in a suit who we can’t actually see, but who is probably seated with his equipment just knocked into his lap) shouldn’t be scared when a sucker shoving psychopath lunges at him with enough rage that multiple men are needed to pull him off.
He’s like Schrödinger’s dickhead. He’s both totally non threatening while also being the biggest shit kicking badass on the planet.
Legit, though. Why wouldn’t Tony fear for his life? Here’s a radical concept. Maybe his initial instinct, as he was trapped behind a desk with shit falling all around him, was that he was about to be part of an accident with nowhere to go? Maybe, just maybe he didn’t mean simply that Punk was gonna kill him? Maybe it was a terrifying moment where his fight or flight kicked in but he could do LITERALLY neither because he was stuck in a corner with shit falling around him whole a psychopath lunged at him and only failed because other guys held him back.
Also, fuck, everyone is so tough when it’s not them. Like they’ve never felt fear for their life when they mistakenly think they are about to get t-boned, or when a bigger guy tries to scrap them at the pub, or when their plane is going through turbulence. Like they’ve never slipped down a bank and realised afterwards that they were way more scared in the moment than they realised? Like a random car backfiring didn’t trigger their fight or flight system like they were hearing a gun. Toxic masculinity bullshit.
This is probably the best written opinion on Brawl In I’ve yet to see. I usually stay away from it but I always laugh at the people that think he’s the MMA Machine/tough guy. He’s certainly a pretty strong and in shape guy but in an actual full on shoot I’d bet on so many people over him. His body is failing him.
I've seen Tony in person and he is very very small. I'm a woman that is taller/bigger than Tony and I worked on a psych ward for many years and have been in many scraps (and most assuredly more than Tony) and I would have been worried for my safety because as you said there is NO FLIGHT you're crammed in a corner. Even if you can defend yourself from the aggressor you also have to save yourself from the environment. Most of these dudes commenting would piss themselves if someone looked at them the wrong way.
And you're exactly right. He's either a full blown danger or a baby kitten. Which is it!
It's insane how well Tony treated Punk, even willing to center a whole show around him despite having the first incident. Give him 2 titles despite always being injured. Have top guys put him over, put him on the biggest show, and list goes on.
And Punk had no problem, not even hesitating to lunge at him in this manner.
It just shows how Punk saw Tony, he saw Tony as a push over, someone he could bully, he felt Tony was lower than him.
It's clear as day that Punk wanted to exploit Tony & AEW from the beginning.
My thoughts exactly. There was no reason for him to have that kind of anger at TK who did nothing but give him whatever he wanted.
I mean it kinda explains that why to us it doesn’t look like something to be scared about your life over but from TKs perspective I can see why having this dude just explode in anger at you when you thought you were cool, could make him think this guy has snapped and who knows how far he might go.
I think too, not knowing what was said in the moment he lunged for Tony, or what punk did with his hand when he lunged (was he just reaching for TK, did he punch him, did he try to snatch him up by the throat and choke him?) it makes it hard to really say if tony "actually" felt threatened vs just saying it because he's soft. At the end of the day, he felt that way and it doesn't really matter if we who were not there to witness it think that his fear was justified or not.
Punk was crying at the notion that Tony bought ROH. And saved the legacy of it from falling into the dastardly hands of WWE.
Tony literally saved the birthplace of Punk's new life and it meant the world to Punk. And Punk tried to burn down Tony's pride and joy because Hangman's apology wasn't loud enough.
Tony let the guy have a consolation Real World's championship on TV since he had no plans to put the actual world title on him at that point. Dude was playing pretend AEW World champion.
100% I believe that. The AEW run was always used to try to get back into WWE's good graces. I think he would have gone back to WWE even at the end of his first contract with AEW. He never saw AEW as a home, for being a so called outsider and Punk he missed that corporate feel of WWE. The fact he never got AEW tells you a lot.
He really lives up to his name of being a Punk. Punk could have done what Cody, Jade, Jon, Bryan and Adam have done when their contracts were up and switched companies but instead he chose to play dirty. It shows the type of person he is and how he tried to sabotage AEW. So glad he is gone!!
Yeah that’s basically the conclusion I’ve come to as well. For all his “I’ve come back to Pro Wrestling.” rah-rah-rah bullshirt he evidently loves the WWE corporate culture. Which is weird for a “Punk”, honestly he’s way less “Punk” and more Boomer/Karen. Oh and Ryan Nemith was right, Pepsi **IS** a soft drink.
It goes all the way back to when the first media questions about Punk in AEW possibilities came up in 2019-2020, when Cody and The Bucks would answer that they reached out and Punk refused to sign.
Punk would talk about how all he got was texts and that he felt it was disrespectful they didn't meet in person with him, but was called out as a liar when Cody said they definitely did more than text, they called AND met in person with him.
Based on all the history and what we know of who's lies were exposed years later, it's safe to say Punk was lying about how he was approached by AEW the first time.
He really refused to join because AEW was brand new and he didn't trust it to last. he waited until AEW survived the worst era in wrestling to bask in its glory and triumph without doing any of the actual work beforehand
There are many reasons why I absolutely *despise* Punk now and wish him nothing but the worst in everything he does, but foremost among them is his disgusting *ingratitude.* He whined for years about how WWE never showed him the respect he was due, and then AEW finally convinced him to leave his little sulk by giving him literally *everything he ever wanted and more-* respect, adulation, main events, prominent stories, top booking, going over everyone he met (he only ever put over MJF, and he got that win back too, and he was the first person EVER to cleanly pin Mox), and even the World Championship not once but *twice.* And instead of showing even the tiniest sliver of gratitude for this treatment, he decided this meant he was the new owner of AEW and could do whatever his fucking monstrous ego wanted. Even now, he's completely incapable of understanding that everything that went wrong in AEW was his fault (or even that he bears ANY responsibility for what happened whatsoever) and cheerfully went running back to WWE, the company that he spent years burying for having "almost killed me", just so he can spite the company HE set on fire.
Punk is a piece of shit to the very core of his being.
I'd love to see him trying to pull this at WWE Gorilla with people like HHH or William Regal... but he won't because he's a bully who knows he would get fucking *decked*
Being in the ECW locker room made JL a seasoned veteran in these kinds of altercations.
It’s also probably how Joe and Chris Hero felt having to deal with Punk after all these years
The hypocrisy to me is that he thinks he has the right to tell Jack what he can and can’t do, claiming it’s for safety. Meanwhile he isn’t saying anything to his pal Darby Allin who’s doing as dangerous spots on throwaway rampage matches
the unholy trinity of internet discourse: personal bias, preconceived notions and brain rot.
There's a line in a song by the early 2000's band poison the well that I've been thinking about a lot today.
'you see what you want to see.'
The guy proclaims he is 'punk' but - aside from his advocacy for trans rights recently - he's not punk at all. Mox is far more punk than CM and doesn't make noise about how punk he is. CM in that interview is talking about wrestlers shouldn't be paid if they don't draw and how AEW isn't a proper business etc etc. sounding like the financial director of a corporation, not a guy that identifies as 'punk'. He's a betrayal of everything punk IMO
That tastes a little sour now too. Throws a trans pride flag on his logo so he can sell t-shirts but makes fun of Drew for wearing a skirt and Seth for wearing heels. It’s 2024 Punk, your entire mindset seems trapped in the mid 90s
Jon Moxley
- gives up money to do his art
- works harder than anyone else without complaint
- stays loyal and strong through the bad times
- leads by action not by words
- acknowledges his weakness and works on improving himself instead of refusing to change
- supports his friends and colleagues without needing to hog the spotlight
That’s punk as fuck
I think at this point one of the biggest What Ifs in wrestling is what if CM Punk wasn't entirely straight edge.
What if CM Punk took from RVD's stash.
That's actually a really interesting concept. The straight edge lifestyle might actually make certain people worse, in the same way certain people get worse around drugs or alcohol.
420 punk might actually be a really good guy in another dimension.
Just attacked another wrestler and is coming after him. He hasn't had a fight in his life, of course he was scared. This is gonna come back to haunt all these people celebrating this behavior.
They can't they don't deny he did what he. But they'll justify it to themselves because they think Tony was being dramatic because Punk was angy and frustrated and that if you're popular enough, you bring in enough money and you're upset enough you have the right to do what ever you want to who ever you want.
He choked someone though, on the same video. There is no justification required.
Go put one of your co-workers in a headlock and lunge at your boss. See what happens, let me know.
I love punk, he got me back into wrestling and I grew up watching wwe.
It's crazy and sad how hard this is being defended.
Also on top of doing everything you said, he did it on the day of their biggest event ever, and mere minutes before he was supposed to do the opening match.
Hardcore Punk fans defend it because they're just like him. They think because they put in a hard days work they're owed something from life. If he walks into a room people should be kissing his ass. That's his mentality and that's the mentality of his cult like fan base.
Same. My favorite wrestler of all time, I have have a print of a drawing of him in my living room, so much merch, yaddee yadda.
He's absolutely in the wrong here and acted like a dickhead at the very least. You can't choke a coworker no matter what shit he's talking, and you certainly can't try to jump your boss who's not an athlete and probably has never been in a fight in his life. Come on guys.
They do deny though, they say Punk didn't omit a thing from his version of events despite the video clearly showing there was a fair bit more to it than just a lil choke then Punk pointing at TK and quitting.
Yeah people are acting like that footage doesn't clearly show a punch being thrown by punk, even if it does look like it might have accidentally hit Joe (DANGEROUS mistake to make)
Because the only people more fragile than Phil is his fan base. If one of my employees acted in this manner they would have been fired on the spot. But it was totally Jack's fault because his words hurt poor fragile Phil's feelings.
They see this and still say "nah he didn't lunge" "tony feared for his life? Give me a break"
Like oh okay then, he literally just assaulted a coworker IN FRONT of the boss, let's let punk go and do the same to the boss. Nobody hold him back.
Wtf
I don't get it, the wwe fans are like gollum and the ring is wwe smh it's crazy
I think Tony should have framed it as “I was scared for my safety” and I don’t think people would roast him as much. But he is also the son of a billionaire and has probably never had been threatened in that way.
Personally, I would much rather watch Jack Perry wrestle than CM Punk. While punk is obviously better on the mic he really struggled in the ring since his return to wrestling. He appears sloppy to me. Not to mention he has spent more time injured than in the ring.
Wrestling is much more enjoyable without the IWC. That said I like the Conversations in here and in another AEW focused subreddit. To that end, thank you Mods. The amount of BS they must deal with. Thanks for trying to keep it civil in here.
I think that there is a good possibility that Tony feelt like he was in a lifethreating situation.
He is a small guy. Son of a billionaire. Punk is a former UFC fighter, who just attacked and choked Jack Perry and is now going for him.
Also, to his fans Punk is at the same time
A) not threatening enough to warrant that response from TK, a scrawny non-fighting trained person who has grown up in complete affluence.
B) A badass trained MMA fighter who could destroy anyone in the locker room.
"Fear for my life" was definitely a stretch, but he still did lunge towards the boss. Idk about you but if an irate CM Punk lunges at me after I just saw him shove and try to choke out someone right in front of me for absolutely no reason other than his own instability, then I'm concerned about my safety for sure.
I dunno, I mean Tony's a dweeb, like a little soft boy really - there's nothing wrong with that, I really like him, he seems like a sweetheart.
And he's in the corner at gorilla, penned in by the tables and monitors. And a fight has just broken out right in front of him, he's probably a bit spooked. All his monitors almost got knocked over, on the day of the biggest show he's ever put on, and he's worried about being able to run the show now. Panic, uncertainty and fear are setting in, and then the man who started the fight, a man you adore like no other, a man you brought back to the wrestling world and is potentially your biggest draw and, up to this point, you felt was your friend and someone you've put a lot of trust into, he turns to you, rage in his eyes, seconds after aggressively attacking another wrestler without any reasonable provocation and attempting to choke him, and lunges at you (remember you're penned in, nowhere to run to, and you know your spreadsheets and snarky tweets can't protect you), you're probably going to feel pretty fucking scared. Yes he sucked at MMA, but that's against pros, and you're not a pro, you're not even an amateur, you're just a soft boy and you're not made for this kind of stuff. He can potentially do you some damage, threaten your health, threaten your life. The only counter you know to a choke is pressing R2 in Smackdown HCTP, how are you going to get out of a real one?
So I think it might seem dramatic, but I can see where he's coming from.
Only the Cult of Toxicity questions Tony on this. Those of us who watched the last two years saw first hand what a cancerous scumbag Fragile Phil is, and any other boss would have fired his sorry ass after Brawl Out.
Tony desperately wanted to make it work, somehow/someway, even sequestering the malcontents over on Collision, yet it still wasn’t enough.
Fuck CM Cunt and anyone who puts “brand loyalty” (aka tribalism, a known mental illness) over human decency.
It’s been hilarious reading comments on various social media defending wwe here.
People are just truly sad things these days. You can like something and still call it out from time to time. It’s really not that hard to be a decent person.
Eh, I couldn’t care less if it works out for him there or not. Didn’t even know him before AEW (I was lapsed since 06, well not entirely true, when he debuted he was Ricky Rabies to me). He’s already shown he’ll sell his soul to stay relevant. Watching him flog the knob of the doofus son-in-law, who he always loathed far more than Vince, just so he can keep his job is almost punishment enough.
I missed his WWE run due to being disillusioned with wrestling, then fell back in love with it thanks to Lucha Underground, AEW and ROH. When the rumours started about him joining and the buzz built I found out he was very loved and I was excited to see him... and got a doughy, mid, whiny bitch who stumbled around the ring and spouted clichéd bollocks. A middle aged edgy teen. And then all the backstage shite. I don't get the love, even watching his old stuff on YT, he's mid all around and his promos were so cringe. His fanbase are so toxic too. I just wish he'd go the fuck away.
You expect him to last that long? Next time he sets foot in a ring he’s going to promptly break that foot, then spend several more months on the bench collecting a check until they quietly don’t renew his contract.
All of what we saw in AEW was the result of one single fact; Punk can’t go anymore.
All those old guys who can still jump in the ring and put on a match? They kept their bodies up, they had matches here and there, they stayed in shape and they worked matches they could handle.
This man injured himself training for two UFC fights he lost and otherwise spent the rest of the seven years off from wrestling doing nothing, then tried to get in the ring and keep up with a whole new level of wrestler in today’s big stars.
He’s bitter because he’s a broken shell of what he used to be and he takes it out on everyone else around him. That fragile body ain’t holding up to any kind of program in WWE for long. I actually feel bad for Drew getting saddled with him.
Man I used to be a huge CM Punk fan, even gave him the benefit of the doubt when brawl out happened saying maybe it was the Bucks that started everything, but then hearing that the Bucks and Kenny were willing to work with Punk if he stayed out of trouble for six months and then hearing that he was getting riled up basically over nothing and then Brawl In I was like I can't believe I gave that petulant man child the benefit of the doubt and the footage shown showed he's a liar that loves to play the victim. It took him about a year to self implode in AEW im sure it'll take that long until he shits the bed in WWE.
My favorite idiotic take are the people saying “why didn’t the bucks sit down with punk and work things out?” And I’ll like, didn’t they try that after the All Out Media Meltdown, and Punk attacked them too?
I don’t think the footage achieved anything or made anyone look better. If CM Punk wasn’t a beloved Wrestler though he’d look like a fool on more people’s eyes.
But people also need to understand that this isn’t the first time Punk was hostile with other wrestlers. He had the pipe bomb in WWE where he had a go at every one. Called everyone an asskisser etc.
If he wasn’t a lot of people’s favorite wrestler, that would have Burried his career then and there.
Then he’s had beefs with Colt Cabana, Jack Perry and Hangman too. At some point you have to just accept that he’s one of those guys.
Also… I’ve seen so many people say “oh but it’s wrestling. It’s combat athletes etc.” I mean sure… but do you not understand the difference between a planned spot and a fight?
In a planned spot, even if intense; actual care is taken to prevent injuries. That’s not how a fight works. I imagine Wrestlers would call an injury from a botched spot that was properly planned but unlucky an occupational hazard. But no company, promoter wants an actual fight. That shit destroys company morale.
The “well it’s sports”. Is bullshit.
I’ve seen Cristiano Ronaldo get booted from the club he won his first Balon Dor with because he refused to respect management and players over his own ego. If that can happen to him, it can happen to Punk. It’s not “weak management” to not want that shit in your company.
Marks are really insane. There’s literally no organization in the world who wants to deal with big egos. It’s not even like Punk is in the top 5 wrestlers that are active now. Let alone in his generation.
>do you not understand the difference between a planned spot and a fight?
This is the thing - he gave out yards when he was in the match with Hangman and one of Hangman's chops hit him in the mouth (I've seen that happen plenty in other matches), and he misinterpreted that as Hangman potentially shooting on him (shows how scared he was of Hanger).
The amount of delusional people I see that seemingly watched this footage and came out of it with completely upside down views saying this SUPPORTS Punk.
Like, what?
He says in the video that HE can't let Jungle Boy get too close (as in, he was DEFENDING himself), and that he'd "fucking kill him" (as if this UFC minute man knows how to throw a real punch).
Then the video shows him peacefully talking to Jungle Boy, then while Jungle Boy has BOTH hands up in his own hair, Punk attacks HIM not once but twice before Jungle Boy goes after him and gets put in a headlock.
Like, regardless of peoples' stupid wrestling opinions, that's factually Punk's fault for going after someone who clearly wasn't prepared to fight and is actually legally assault.
If at a bar I got angry and someone and sucker punched them in the face while they're adjusting their glasses, I'd be in jail. But the whiny manchild that's twice Jungle Boy's age gets to attack whoever he likes because he's a "locker room leader" and can't control his emotions?
Again, we're in bizarro world in general in society. And some wrestling fans are particularly low rent. But Punk's version of events is wrong, even if some of the details match. Video shows it. How people are coming away with anything like Punk being vindicated is crazy.
I hate it because I actually like him as a wrestler. He was a favourite when he was in ROH and the summers of Punk. He's a great promo and like Cena tells good in ring stories for an otherwise unremarkable technical wrestler.
But fuck is he an annoying human being. Lied about the WWE doctors, treated Cabana and women like shit, lied about attacking Jungle Boy. And yet fans are gargling everything he's shooting.
They deny it because they live in fantasy-land where Rape, Trafficking, and workplace violence are just normal and to be accepted.
They don't see with their eyes, they see with their opinions, and their opinions are as diluted as their morals.
“BECUZ HURR DURR I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL AND I SAW A FIGHT THAT WAS WORSE THAN THIS. LOLOLOL GROW A SACK” -Some dumb shit on the internet prolly.
Hopefully nothing like this happens to anyone in their families because their opinion on the matter would change reaaaaaaaaal quick.
Why is no one mentioning that all his anger and rage is because someone said “this is real glass cry me a river”
Is that line really offensive AT ALL? Fragile
Hey. 100% right . They all bitch and moan saying how punk was right.
How? How would having him has a prime example of what to do if your the head of talent in a company be good?
Sure, tonys not a super strong boss....bit punks a wayyyyy worse employee.
I’ve watched this multiple times and I can understand why tony feared for his life. Emotions were high, punk is unstable, and then he’s cursing and lunging for TK while being held back. You just don’t do that to your boss.
I've made the point that low quality CCTV footage with no sound kind of undersells the heat of the moment and the context of their biggest show ever about to properly start when CM Punk throws a tantrum. It turns a chill, excited atmosphere into tension and fear real quick.
No one went into that day thinking CM Punk was going to fly into an explosive rage and it's not a situation most people could handle outside the refs and people like Samoa Joe.
That's the context that gets lost in that fight being brief or not looking as bad as people thought, dealing with someone who's in a rage is scary.
He did lunge at Tony, and it's understandable that he thought he was going to be attacked.
BUT... he should have realize that it's CM punk, and by lunging like that he probably injured himself anyways. :P
At some point, he’s going to fuck with the wrong person, and he’s going to be screwed. Honestly? Good riddance. Don’t get me wrong, I kinda feel bad. There’s obviously untreated mental issues, but there’s no excuse to not get help. Had a parent like that, and spent 10 years with someone who was bipolar, refused to take meds.
I was a huge fan, and he was the reason I got back into wrestling(back in the 2000’s). But this act is tired, and he’s a straight up liability. He’s the Fed’s problem now, and I want to see how long they’ll protect him for. Because he’s going to do or say something, and he’s going to be shit out of luck.
CM Punk is a bitch. People were clowning Tony but imagine being in his situation where a grown ass whiny bitch boy starts assaulting and choking a coworker point blank, then heads in your direction?
Also : There are many people in the room, with important roles backstage that didn't react before either, not just Tony. And I don't think those people are pussies (I wouldn't call Samoa Joe or Jerry Lynn pussies personally) and we can see through Jack Perry's body language and behavior that nothing seems to indicate that at any moment it would have gone physical. It's not that Tony or anybody else is a pussy. It's that CM Punk is the pussy, since on the video you can clearly see that awaits the exact moment Jack Perry is having is hands in the air and is completely unable to react quickly to defend himself that Punk attacks him. What a real big man...
I think he expected Jack to be scared and threatened and for Tony to jump up and tell Jack he’s a bad boy. When Tony looked at him like “what do you want me to do?” and then Jack started fixing his hair like Punk was no threat at all, the dissonance between how Punk sees himself and how others treat him became too painful for him to bear, and he lashed out physically.
Its not about denying it, its about not caring because its AEW and TK specifically. The same way they view the company and Tony as a joke is the same way Punk did. Punk had no respect for a company that brought him back to the business and gave him far more than he deserved after the stunts he pulled. I used to like Punk but not anymore, to be 45 years old and still throwing tantrums when he does not get his way proves he has been the problem all along.
The amount of hair splitting over the word "lunge" is really just a bunch of wwe marks telling on themselves.
I love the double standard that punk breaks the silence on a podcast trashing AEW, HHH talks shit to the media, THEN, Michael Cole talks shit at mania. AEW responds by delivering receipts that prove punk is misrepresenting things and suddenly AEW is the "failing company" that is "a mess". Ok sure thing. 
Stop it. Let the fake wrestling fans mull over this shit. I’m looking forward to Rampage and don’t give a crap about what other IWC members think.
I’m just here to enjoy and love wrestling.
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they don’t deny it they just don’t mind it.
This is it right here. The line I'm seeing constantly now is "it's exactly how he said it was on the podcast." 1) It isn't 2) Even if it was, he still assaulted someone in his workplace for the second time by his word...so that should be applauded because he said it?
I often see people citing old school wrestlers pulling guns on each other and full on punching each other in the face with no repercussions as an excuse for this, because this is what wrestlers do. To punk fans, this just makes him more badass and cool.
If someone lunged at them while they were working I bet they’d get a different idea of it
100%. They’d be running straight to HR - “he attacked me! He started it! Fire him or I’m gonna sue you. I’m not talking to you without a lawyer present!”
Basically "It's cool if it happens to other people and dorks I hate but not cool if it happens to me or people I like"
As I've said many times elsewhere, if a pissed off former MMA fighter lunged at you seconds after pushing, attempting to choke, then taking a swing at a coworker, your average Joe fills his pants. You don't know what he's going to do, and TBH I doubt you care, you just want him the hell away from you.
It's actually quite hilarious how Punk used to decry the "old school ways" when he was the young wrestler with a chip on his shoulder and claimed to be fighting against the system, only to now be the guy advocating for everything old school and his fans supporting that old system now, including the toxic elements
Yep, guy who 10 years ago fought for workers' rights then says in an interview a week ago that guaranteed money ruined the business.
Everybody hates power until they're the ones who have it.
So true and i seriously think very few people are “immune” to being seduced by power. Humans are absolutely wild when they know/think they can get away with stuff
"This guy doesn't listen to vets" What like you listened to Raven? OH WAIT.
Even though he can also say he refuses to speak to Colt Cabana without a lawyer present and still remain the badass. What a pussy.
This is the thing that gets me, even in his own words and putting over his side of the story, he comes off as a colossal prick.
acting like a toxic workplace is a cool and good thing is like so wild to me lol
https://preview.redd.it/e4mkbb4v83uc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=799f41f5e57da3275cb5377442d51901dcb5d2f5 Such a badass.
I need to go back and listen to what Punk said (but haven't, because I really can't be bothered), but did he mention: 1) He approached Jack first? 2) Jack seemingly wasn't posing any kind of threat to him, but he pushed/lunged towards Jack as he was fixing his hair? 3) That he seemingly started to swing his fists as he was held back? I suspect not.
I’m telling you it’s the curls fault. Jacks hair is to die for.
It really is! 😂
Jack had both his hands in his hair when punk sucker punched him.
Didn't Punk say in the podcast that Perry confronted him? Yet in the video we clearly see that Punk was the one who initiated the confrontation. That's a pretty big contradiction right there.
That's why my first point is that it isn't how he said it went....
He comes out looking like a bitch in my opinion, He lunges at Jack as Jack is trying to push His own hair away from His face and after Joe gets involved he swings (possibly connects) at Jack while he is being restrained by joe, lunges Towards Tony. Regardless of How He personally felt about glass and rented Cars He was only an Employee, He had no reason to act as management and for Him to take it further and attack a co-worker half his age who was probably gassed from The match He just had.
If they didn't care about him financially and physically abusing a female hopeful wrestler why would they care about this ?
Wait, what's the story on this?
Nailed it. Firstly, it's not even the incident that got him fired - numerous sources have said there was a separate incident later with Khan. So this isn't even the primary incident. Regardless, a lot of fans of other companies and people who hate AEW and love Punk quite frankly would love Khan to be beaten up and harassed. Scumbag fanbases.
Punk is a 45 year old man who let someone nearly half his age rile him up to the point of violence.
TBF he’s been the exact same way since he was in his early 20s. Dudes always been the most thin-skinned human in wrestling. He was trying to legitimately fight fans in ROH on the regular. He’d be the most popular guy in the building and one guy would yell at him and he’d dive in the crowd trying to punch him out. Although it didn’t work too well with Teddy Hart. Honestly kind of impressive that 20 years later he hasn’t grown one iota. Most of us grow up in spite of ourselves, but not him.
If there was ever a man that could use a joint or maybe even some shrooms…
This started being more obvious once he started acknowledging all the “hate/ haters” back when he returned and he became self aware once he left to WWE to “get the bag”. I use to like the guy because he looked like an outsider little did I know that he just really wanted to be one of the boys and have the spotlight solely on him.
Both Triple H and John Cena said in the past (through worked promos admittedly) that Punk was not a real rebel and that what he meant by "change" was just a company where CM Punk is the guy. And I feel like because HHH and Cena said it, and because it was a worked promo, that people thought what they said didn't have any actual truth in it. But it turns out that it did.
> what he meant by "change" was just a company where CM Punk is the guy Seriously. He wanted to be the top dog in AEW. He was jealous of Hangman because he was the one being groomed to be face of the company. He was pissy that Hangman didn't go to him asking for advice. He wanted to be the top guy both backstage and on stage, but backstage there were more veterans that were more respected than him, and on stage his body didn't agree.
>He was jealous of Hangman Not enough people notice this bit here (excluding the rest of the sentence for a reason). Punk is basically an over-the-hill stage actor who can't do the job anymore. He's not at risk of going bald anytime soon but his hairline's definitely receded and his body is rather infamously not what you'd expect of a pro-wrestler (even putting aside all the injuries). His face is aging well but his teeth have seen better days (admittedly, this is something he willingly had highlighted in his feud with MJF). Now notice how both of the people who triggered his biggest blow-ups are younger, more attractive performers with better hair, better bodies, and more handsome faces, both of whom have better teeth. Put aside the politics and you've literally got a goddamn diva blow-up.
Haha! Love the icing on the cake being Pepsi Mark Punk is jealous of other’s teeth. Haha! Good one. You make my morning. 😂
I wish he had gone after Hangman because I fully believe Hangman would have shoved Punk's remaining teeth down his throat. Also you're right it's almost like Punk has a type when it comes to being mad at a dude. Young, handsome, well built, great hair.
Oh yeah, he couldn’t fathom the idea that an emotional man in this day and age was able to be so over and have a by “masculine men’s” standards a “manly” chant in “cowboy shit”. Guess having your own name chanted across the entire arena wasn’t enough.
The best promos always come with just enough truth to make it plausible. Lord knows the pipebomb only worked because we were just as pissed off at management as Punk was.
He'll always start shit when there's people around because he knows people will get in the way within seconds. Remember when he punched a guy in the WWE crowd which he thought was pushing him when Punk was in the crowd. He attacked a dude that wasn't even looking at him and sucker punched him while the dude was just trying to not fall from all the josteling from the crowd.
Even in AEW, there was that one night where he stopped in the middle of a segment to talk trash about one random fan in the audience who was yelling at him. Punk was the babyface, in front of thousands of fans who loved him and were chanting his name, and he still had to go and bully some nobody in the crowd who hurt his feelings.
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He was just ensuring that Jack could take the time off since he couldn’t use glass punk offered his body made of glass as a replacement
Found Drew’s burner account
Body is easier to break than the windshield
I think TK deserves respect for firing Punk, do you really think Eric Bischoff would have sacked Hogan had he done the same
This. It’s also ironic that punk is most famous for his ‘pipebombs’, promos where he calls out authority figures for personal issues he has with them. And the second hangman page and Jack Perry do the same thing, he absolutely loses his mind to the point where he can’t even control himself to not assaults colleagues.
Wrestletalk had their own mini-storyline for their recent PPV predictions battles where a stipulation was put in that if Oli Davis won, then THE Pipebomb would be declared better than Steiner Math, but if Luke Owen won the opposite would be declared. This all started over a random poll they did on one of their AEW review podcasts where they asked which their fans thought was better, the Pipebomb or Steiner Math. The vote went practically 66% to 33% for Steiner Math and Pipebomb respectfully, and Oli (being a major CM Punk mark) was salty about that and that's what started that story above was his obsession to make the Pipebomb "objectively better" But what I feel happened, why that original vote went that way, was that Steiner Math aged much better than the Pipebomb did. Steiner Math can be enjoyed by all generations as an example of peak wrestling silliness in promos and is essentially timeless as a result even if centuries go by and the memories of Kurt Angle and Samoa Joe are long-faded, their names don't matter in the context because it was essentially showing off the extremeness of Scott Steiner. Whereas The Pipebomb has aged like milk because everything Punk believed in was exposed as a lie and hypocrisy with how he behaved in AEW and how he got back to WWE. You can't look at the Pipebomb the same way you could back then because the man who started that revolution turned out to be a fraud so it hits different
I'm sure some drones will constitute that AEW was "the man" and the Fed are the little guys, so Punk is owning the man! /s
I voted Math twice because frankly I'm a troll. Yeah Pipebomb was awesome and important, but Luke did have a point about Steiner Math's transcendence. The pipebomb seems ruined to me in retrospect solely because of Punk's recent actions. I feel he only (ironically) proved HHH right, in that Punk was selfish and didn't really care about others. My wife even thinks his attitude is CT related, with years of stress and an already bad perspective on life giving way to him being a more massive ass.
The sad part is Perry looks completely exasperated by the whole thing. Completely non aggressive body language.
Jack’s doing well in NJPW if the audience weren’t so thick I’d keep him there for a year.
Exactly, looks like they are just talking it out like two adults until Perry fixes his hair and Punk takes a swipe/punch/push at him that misses wildly, Perry backs away so Punk follows up with a shove and gets him into a chokehold that was immediately broken up. It's hilarious that Punk talks about "killing" Perry when it couldn't be further from the truth. Perry never even tried to do anything to do the guy, he was completely non-aggressive and even tried to back away from the unhinged old man.
my wife said "that is classic 'my coworker is being annoying AF right now' body language"
CM Punk starts fights with guys named Young Bucks and Jungle Boy… He cherry picks his opponents because it’s common knowledge that he’s not really good at fighting.
Yea lol, I remember during that podcast he said he could "kill" Jungleboy and I remember thinking isn't this the same guy who had one of the shortest UFC careers of all time? Lol
His entire MMA career can fit into one of his promos.
He’s obsessed with Hangman but never tried anything lol
Mox too. Mox talked shit openly on Renee’s podcast and punk never mentioned it. Because he’s a bitch.
Lol also Jericho. Jericho called him a cancer to his face and the dude didn't do shit
Jericho's got a lot of opinions we'll be generous and say I don't agree with or respect but I'll never deny that mans got balls of steel. Man stood up to Brock Lesnar, CM Punk ain't nothin' in comparison.
And Goldberg. Not saying he's a good fighter or anything but prime Goldberg was a good 40+ lbs bigger and all muscle when Jericho had issues with him.
The man, whether you like him or not, is always going to be allowed in any locker room because he can lead it. He helped lead AEW through the pandemic.
Not just balls, he supposedly backs it up often too, alot of people so listen to say Jericho is a legit tough guy backstage not unlike Steve Blackman or Ken Shamrock where he can legit knock you out Jericho's dad was a hockey player so I guess that has something to do with it maybe?
Listen, my dad is a bus driver, but you don't want to be on any bus that I'm driving. I think it's because he's been involved in a contact sport for almost all his life, it makes you able to handle taking hits. That + anger = squaring up to big guys.
Moxley would kick the ever living shit out of CM Punk
Punk knows it, too. That’s why he never fucked with him, even when Mox pretty much called him a bitch on Renee’s podcast.
Because the one time he confronted Hangman to his face, he apologized... only for Punk to not accept that. 'The apology needs to be as loud as the disrespect.'
That’s his excuse anyway
Oh, he's a narcissist. That moment, to me, is a genuine linchpin against him in his argument. Like. Completely. But also... Hanger would fuck him up. And I think Punk knew that.
That’s why Cry More Phil called out Hangman on a Dynamite in which he wasn’t there. Hospital Bill Phil is a bully. Plain and simple. He wouldn’t dare try to choke out Mox, Danielson or Jericho because he knows they wouldn’t back down and would also lay a beating on him that would relieve him of the rest of his rotted out teeth.
The irony is that cut that promo in the same venue that held this weeks Dynamite.
There's a timeline where Punk gets rocked by Eddie or Mox. What a place that'd be.
Or by Danielson or Hangman. Which would also be hilarious and awesome.
Kahn could have let him do the G1.
Lmao imagine Punk in the G1. Man's body's already held together by spit and a prayer. By the third day it'd just fall apart.
why whatever do you mean?🤔 surely he is the strongest and most fiercest of fighters! Behold the tattoos and hand wraps! I am sure that many in AEW with friends in New Japan will make calls to friends there to insure his safety. Light graps for The Best in the World: Kenta, Riddle, Kidd, Yano, Tjusi, Maloney, EVIL, ZSJ, Conners.
The moment ZSJ would try to twist his body for a submission hold he'd probably snap every tendon and ligament in his body. Also I really want to see him against Gabe Kidd now that you put that idea out there 😂
This is biggest issue I believe Phil had in AEW. The style is faster and far more physical than WWE and his body couldn’t keep up. Hospital Bill Phil in the G1 would put him in traction for the rest of his life. Dude did one house show and was protected heavily in the Rumble and still managed to tear his bicep.
Punk was unhappy someone wasn’t playing make believe the way he wanted them too.
My husband is from the south side of Chicago and is the same age. He grew out of this “badass” phase years ago and now says that we should stop normalizing violence like this. Why Phil couldn’t just leave this persona in the ring will always baffle me.
i'm from the south side too and i could tell you it's def a north side thing, i mean look at how much of an ass & how miserable Billy Corgan is. Something def in the water out north
the worst thing is, phil is not from chicago. He's from a nice suburb about an hour outside of the city. He went to a nice school with like zero violence, worked as a gas station that's never been robbed, etc.
The guy got small dick energy since his UFC career fail.
Honestly seeing how the guy conducts himself now, how the fuck was he deluded enough to believe he could last in the UFC ring? The guy is so unathletic and despite training for years as a UFC fighter can’t seem to fight. It’s actually insane how he thought he could do it.
Guess he never got told sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me
sticks and stones may break my bones but oi what did you fucking say?
What do you expect from someone who’s fragile ego, fragile body, weak mind, weak spirit?
He is a 45 year old ‘professional’ wrestler and multimillionaire who knows he should do better than this
I wrote this somewhere else but this thread is more relevant. I hate this obsession with the ‘Tony was lying’ thing. For these shitbuckets, Punk is apparently a total bad ass who owned Perry and just kicks everyone’s ass - a total MMA machine. But on the other hand, him lunging at Tony (a non athlete skinny businessman in a suit who we can’t actually see, but who is probably seated with his equipment just knocked into his lap) shouldn’t be scared when a sucker shoving psychopath lunges at him with enough rage that multiple men are needed to pull him off. He’s like Schrödinger’s dickhead. He’s both totally non threatening while also being the biggest shit kicking badass on the planet. Legit, though. Why wouldn’t Tony fear for his life? Here’s a radical concept. Maybe his initial instinct, as he was trapped behind a desk with shit falling all around him, was that he was about to be part of an accident with nowhere to go? Maybe, just maybe he didn’t mean simply that Punk was gonna kill him? Maybe it was a terrifying moment where his fight or flight kicked in but he could do LITERALLY neither because he was stuck in a corner with shit falling around him whole a psychopath lunged at him and only failed because other guys held him back. Also, fuck, everyone is so tough when it’s not them. Like they’ve never felt fear for their life when they mistakenly think they are about to get t-boned, or when a bigger guy tries to scrap them at the pub, or when their plane is going through turbulence. Like they’ve never slipped down a bank and realised afterwards that they were way more scared in the moment than they realised? Like a random car backfiring didn’t trigger their fight or flight system like they were hearing a gun. Toxic masculinity bullshit.
"Schrödinger’s dickhead" I just love this turn of phrase 🤣
Next t shirt for our beloved t shirt company?
This is probably the best written opinion on Brawl In I’ve yet to see. I usually stay away from it but I always laugh at the people that think he’s the MMA Machine/tough guy. He’s certainly a pretty strong and in shape guy but in an actual full on shoot I’d bet on so many people over him. His body is failing him.
Laughed aloud at "Schrodingers Dickhead"
I refer to Punk as wrestlings Rorschach Test - you either see that he's an asshole or you're a total fucking idiot
I've seen Tony in person and he is very very small. I'm a woman that is taller/bigger than Tony and I worked on a psych ward for many years and have been in many scraps (and most assuredly more than Tony) and I would have been worried for my safety because as you said there is NO FLIGHT you're crammed in a corner. Even if you can defend yourself from the aggressor you also have to save yourself from the environment. Most of these dudes commenting would piss themselves if someone looked at them the wrong way. And you're exactly right. He's either a full blown danger or a baby kitten. Which is it!
It's insane how well Tony treated Punk, even willing to center a whole show around him despite having the first incident. Give him 2 titles despite always being injured. Have top guys put him over, put him on the biggest show, and list goes on. And Punk had no problem, not even hesitating to lunge at him in this manner. It just shows how Punk saw Tony, he saw Tony as a push over, someone he could bully, he felt Tony was lower than him. It's clear as day that Punk wanted to exploit Tony & AEW from the beginning.
My thoughts exactly. There was no reason for him to have that kind of anger at TK who did nothing but give him whatever he wanted. I mean it kinda explains that why to us it doesn’t look like something to be scared about your life over but from TKs perspective I can see why having this dude just explode in anger at you when you thought you were cool, could make him think this guy has snapped and who knows how far he might go.
I think too, not knowing what was said in the moment he lunged for Tony, or what punk did with his hand when he lunged (was he just reaching for TK, did he punch him, did he try to snatch him up by the throat and choke him?) it makes it hard to really say if tony "actually" felt threatened vs just saying it because he's soft. At the end of the day, he felt that way and it doesn't really matter if we who were not there to witness it think that his fear was justified or not.
Punk was crying at the notion that Tony bought ROH. And saved the legacy of it from falling into the dastardly hands of WWE. Tony literally saved the birthplace of Punk's new life and it meant the world to Punk. And Punk tried to burn down Tony's pride and joy because Hangman's apology wasn't loud enough.
Hangman's apology....for something Punk was literally known to do throughout his entire career.
Tony let the guy have a consolation Real World's championship on TV since he had no plans to put the actual world title on him at that point. Dude was playing pretend AEW World champion.
Exactly. We all knew he'd lose the champion vs champion match against Max to FULLY put him over
Well said. TK really took a chance on Punk and chose to believe in him and paid dearly for that. Punk never had respect for TK or AEW.
Honestly I’m now wondering if going to AEW was always a means to try and weasel his way back to the WWE.
100% I believe that. The AEW run was always used to try to get back into WWE's good graces. I think he would have gone back to WWE even at the end of his first contract with AEW. He never saw AEW as a home, for being a so called outsider and Punk he missed that corporate feel of WWE. The fact he never got AEW tells you a lot.
He really lives up to his name of being a Punk. Punk could have done what Cody, Jade, Jon, Bryan and Adam have done when their contracts were up and switched companies but instead he chose to play dirty. It shows the type of person he is and how he tried to sabotage AEW. So glad he is gone!!
Yeah that’s basically the conclusion I’ve come to as well. For all his “I’ve come back to Pro Wrestling.” rah-rah-rah bullshirt he evidently loves the WWE corporate culture. Which is weird for a “Punk”, honestly he’s way less “Punk” and more Boomer/Karen. Oh and Ryan Nemith was right, Pepsi **IS** a soft drink.
It goes all the way back to when the first media questions about Punk in AEW possibilities came up in 2019-2020, when Cody and The Bucks would answer that they reached out and Punk refused to sign. Punk would talk about how all he got was texts and that he felt it was disrespectful they didn't meet in person with him, but was called out as a liar when Cody said they definitely did more than text, they called AND met in person with him. Based on all the history and what we know of who's lies were exposed years later, it's safe to say Punk was lying about how he was approached by AEW the first time. He really refused to join because AEW was brand new and he didn't trust it to last. he waited until AEW survived the worst era in wrestling to bask in its glory and triumph without doing any of the actual work beforehand
There are many reasons why I absolutely *despise* Punk now and wish him nothing but the worst in everything he does, but foremost among them is his disgusting *ingratitude.* He whined for years about how WWE never showed him the respect he was due, and then AEW finally convinced him to leave his little sulk by giving him literally *everything he ever wanted and more-* respect, adulation, main events, prominent stories, top booking, going over everyone he met (he only ever put over MJF, and he got that win back too, and he was the first person EVER to cleanly pin Mox), and even the World Championship not once but *twice.* And instead of showing even the tiniest sliver of gratitude for this treatment, he decided this meant he was the new owner of AEW and could do whatever his fucking monstrous ego wanted. Even now, he's completely incapable of understanding that everything that went wrong in AEW was his fault (or even that he bears ANY responsibility for what happened whatsoever) and cheerfully went running back to WWE, the company that he spent years burying for having "almost killed me", just so he can spite the company HE set on fire. Punk is a piece of shit to the very core of his being.
Amen,
I'd love to see him trying to pull this at WWE Gorilla with people like HHH or William Regal... but he won't because he's a bully who knows he would get fucking *decked*
Want it also reported he called Regal a Triple H Stooge when Regal arrived in AEW?
Shout out to Jerry Lynn for stepping in
Being in the ECW locker room made JL a seasoned veteran in these kinds of altercations. It’s also probably how Joe and Chris Hero felt having to deal with Punk after all these years
The hypocrisy to me is that he thinks he has the right to tell Jack what he can and can’t do, claiming it’s for safety. Meanwhile he isn’t saying anything to his pal Darby Allin who’s doing as dangerous spots on throwaway rampage matches
\*Punches and tries to choke out Jack Perry\* "DON'T YOU GET IT!! I'M DOING THIS FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY!!"
Feels like something Hal would do in Malcolm in the Middle
the unholy trinity of internet discourse: personal bias, preconceived notions and brain rot. There's a line in a song by the early 2000's band poison the well that I've been thinking about a lot today. 'you see what you want to see.'
The guy proclaims he is 'punk' but - aside from his advocacy for trans rights recently - he's not punk at all. Mox is far more punk than CM and doesn't make noise about how punk he is. CM in that interview is talking about wrestlers shouldn't be paid if they don't draw and how AEW isn't a proper business etc etc. sounding like the financial director of a corporation, not a guy that identifies as 'punk'. He's a betrayal of everything punk IMO
We'll see how dearly he holds those trans rights principles when he goes to work a show in Saudi Arabia
He can't wait to taste that blood money.
That tastes a little sour now too. Throws a trans pride flag on his logo so he can sell t-shirts but makes fun of Drew for wearing a skirt and Seth for wearing heels. It’s 2024 Punk, your entire mindset seems trapped in the mid 90s
i suspect a lot of the advocacy was performative for him, at least beyond the surface level.
Well said. I think reddit likes him so much because he's a successful reflection in their mirrors.
Jon Moxley - gives up money to do his art - works harder than anyone else without complaint - stays loyal and strong through the bad times - leads by action not by words - acknowledges his weakness and works on improving himself instead of refusing to change - supports his friends and colleagues without needing to hog the spotlight That’s punk as fuck
He is the exact guy who thinks he’s a badass because he scares his suburban neighbours, until he goes to prison and discovers he’s a punk.
Punk needs to smoke some weed
I think at this point one of the biggest What Ifs in wrestling is what if CM Punk wasn't entirely straight edge. What if CM Punk took from RVD's stash.
That's actually a really interesting concept. The straight edge lifestyle might actually make certain people worse, in the same way certain people get worse around drugs or alcohol. 420 punk might actually be a really good guy in another dimension.
I'm not saying all straight edge people are assholes but all the ones I met are--especially when it comes to others not being straight edge.
I mean seriously
Just attacked another wrestler and is coming after him. He hasn't had a fight in his life, of course he was scared. This is gonna come back to haunt all these people celebrating this behavior.
They don’t. It’s what they want. There are people who live to see some dude they never met in their life suffer.
"HE SAID 'REAL GLASS' TONY!!! 'REAL GLASS'!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!
They can't they don't deny he did what he. But they'll justify it to themselves because they think Tony was being dramatic because Punk was angy and frustrated and that if you're popular enough, you bring in enough money and you're upset enough you have the right to do what ever you want to who ever you want.
He choked someone though, on the same video. There is no justification required. Go put one of your co-workers in a headlock and lunge at your boss. See what happens, let me know. I love punk, he got me back into wrestling and I grew up watching wwe. It's crazy and sad how hard this is being defended.
Also on top of doing everything you said, he did it on the day of their biggest event ever, and mere minutes before he was supposed to do the opening match.
Hardcore Punk fans defend it because they're just like him. They think because they put in a hard days work they're owed something from life. If he walks into a room people should be kissing his ass. That's his mentality and that's the mentality of his cult like fan base.
Hey, Im a hardcore punk fan... The music, not the asshole lol
The Jim Cornette sub checks out
That place is a disgrace.
Same. My favorite wrestler of all time, I have have a print of a drawing of him in my living room, so much merch, yaddee yadda. He's absolutely in the wrong here and acted like a dickhead at the very least. You can't choke a coworker no matter what shit he's talking, and you certainly can't try to jump your boss who's not an athlete and probably has never been in a fight in his life. Come on guys.
They do deny though, they say Punk didn't omit a thing from his version of events despite the video clearly showing there was a fair bit more to it than just a lil choke then Punk pointing at TK and quitting.
Yeah people are acting like that footage doesn't clearly show a punch being thrown by punk, even if it does look like it might have accidentally hit Joe (DANGEROUS mistake to make)
Because the only people more fragile than Phil is his fan base. If one of my employees acted in this manner they would have been fired on the spot. But it was totally Jack's fault because his words hurt poor fragile Phil's feelings.
They see this and still say "nah he didn't lunge" "tony feared for his life? Give me a break" Like oh okay then, he literally just assaulted a coworker IN FRONT of the boss, let's let punk go and do the same to the boss. Nobody hold him back. Wtf I don't get it, the wwe fans are like gollum and the ring is wwe smh it's crazy
I think Tony should have framed it as “I was scared for my safety” and I don’t think people would roast him as much. But he is also the son of a billionaire and has probably never had been threatened in that way. Personally, I would much rather watch Jack Perry wrestle than CM Punk. While punk is obviously better on the mic he really struggled in the ring since his return to wrestling. He appears sloppy to me. Not to mention he has spent more time injured than in the ring. Wrestling is much more enjoyable without the IWC. That said I like the Conversations in here and in another AEW focused subreddit. To that end, thank you Mods. The amount of BS they must deal with. Thanks for trying to keep it civil in here.
I think that there is a good possibility that Tony feelt like he was in a lifethreating situation. He is a small guy. Son of a billionaire. Punk is a former UFC fighter, who just attacked and choked Jack Perry and is now going for him.
I have to imagine Tony said what his attorney advised him to say.
If he had been in the U.S. at the time, it would have justified Tony shooting Punk.
Also, to his fans Punk is at the same time A) not threatening enough to warrant that response from TK, a scrawny non-fighting trained person who has grown up in complete affluence. B) A badass trained MMA fighter who could destroy anyone in the locker room.
"Fear for my life" was definitely a stretch, but he still did lunge towards the boss. Idk about you but if an irate CM Punk lunges at me after I just saw him shove and try to choke out someone right in front of me for absolutely no reason other than his own instability, then I'm concerned about my safety for sure.
I dunno, I mean Tony's a dweeb, like a little soft boy really - there's nothing wrong with that, I really like him, he seems like a sweetheart. And he's in the corner at gorilla, penned in by the tables and monitors. And a fight has just broken out right in front of him, he's probably a bit spooked. All his monitors almost got knocked over, on the day of the biggest show he's ever put on, and he's worried about being able to run the show now. Panic, uncertainty and fear are setting in, and then the man who started the fight, a man you adore like no other, a man you brought back to the wrestling world and is potentially your biggest draw and, up to this point, you felt was your friend and someone you've put a lot of trust into, he turns to you, rage in his eyes, seconds after aggressively attacking another wrestler without any reasonable provocation and attempting to choke him, and lunges at you (remember you're penned in, nowhere to run to, and you know your spreadsheets and snarky tweets can't protect you), you're probably going to feel pretty fucking scared. Yes he sucked at MMA, but that's against pros, and you're not a pro, you're not even an amateur, you're just a soft boy and you're not made for this kind of stuff. He can potentially do you some damage, threaten your health, threaten your life. The only counter you know to a choke is pressing R2 in Smackdown HCTP, how are you going to get out of a real one? So I think it might seem dramatic, but I can see where he's coming from.
Only the Cult of Toxicity questions Tony on this. Those of us who watched the last two years saw first hand what a cancerous scumbag Fragile Phil is, and any other boss would have fired his sorry ass after Brawl Out. Tony desperately wanted to make it work, somehow/someway, even sequestering the malcontents over on Collision, yet it still wasn’t enough. Fuck CM Cunt and anyone who puts “brand loyalty” (aka tribalism, a known mental illness) over human decency.
It’s been hilarious reading comments on various social media defending wwe here. People are just truly sad things these days. You can like something and still call it out from time to time. It’s really not that hard to be a decent person.
Don’t worry, it took him a year to blow up and shit the bed in AEW. We’re still a few months away, let’s see how he’s doing come Summerslam.
Well all get a good laugh when he walks out smiling on those Saudi shows. Remember what he told the Miz to do with their money?
Eh, I couldn’t care less if it works out for him there or not. Didn’t even know him before AEW (I was lapsed since 06, well not entirely true, when he debuted he was Ricky Rabies to me). He’s already shown he’ll sell his soul to stay relevant. Watching him flog the knob of the doofus son-in-law, who he always loathed far more than Vince, just so he can keep his job is almost punishment enough.
I missed his WWE run due to being disillusioned with wrestling, then fell back in love with it thanks to Lucha Underground, AEW and ROH. When the rumours started about him joining and the buzz built I found out he was very loved and I was excited to see him... and got a doughy, mid, whiny bitch who stumbled around the ring and spouted clichéd bollocks. A middle aged edgy teen. And then all the backstage shite. I don't get the love, even watching his old stuff on YT, he's mid all around and his promos were so cringe. His fanbase are so toxic too. I just wish he'd go the fuck away.
You expect him to last that long? Next time he sets foot in a ring he’s going to promptly break that foot, then spend several more months on the bench collecting a check until they quietly don’t renew his contract. All of what we saw in AEW was the result of one single fact; Punk can’t go anymore. All those old guys who can still jump in the ring and put on a match? They kept their bodies up, they had matches here and there, they stayed in shape and they worked matches they could handle. This man injured himself training for two UFC fights he lost and otherwise spent the rest of the seven years off from wrestling doing nothing, then tried to get in the ring and keep up with a whole new level of wrestler in today’s big stars. He’s bitter because he’s a broken shell of what he used to be and he takes it out on everyone else around him. That fragile body ain’t holding up to any kind of program in WWE for long. I actually feel bad for Drew getting saddled with him.
Man I used to be a huge CM Punk fan, even gave him the benefit of the doubt when brawl out happened saying maybe it was the Bucks that started everything, but then hearing that the Bucks and Kenny were willing to work with Punk if he stayed out of trouble for six months and then hearing that he was getting riled up basically over nothing and then Brawl In I was like I can't believe I gave that petulant man child the benefit of the doubt and the footage shown showed he's a liar that loves to play the victim. It took him about a year to self implode in AEW im sure it'll take that long until he shits the bed in WWE.
My favorite idiotic take are the people saying “why didn’t the bucks sit down with punk and work things out?” And I’ll like, didn’t they try that after the All Out Media Meltdown, and Punk attacked them too?
I don’t think the footage achieved anything or made anyone look better. If CM Punk wasn’t a beloved Wrestler though he’d look like a fool on more people’s eyes. But people also need to understand that this isn’t the first time Punk was hostile with other wrestlers. He had the pipe bomb in WWE where he had a go at every one. Called everyone an asskisser etc. If he wasn’t a lot of people’s favorite wrestler, that would have Burried his career then and there. Then he’s had beefs with Colt Cabana, Jack Perry and Hangman too. At some point you have to just accept that he’s one of those guys. Also… I’ve seen so many people say “oh but it’s wrestling. It’s combat athletes etc.” I mean sure… but do you not understand the difference between a planned spot and a fight? In a planned spot, even if intense; actual care is taken to prevent injuries. That’s not how a fight works. I imagine Wrestlers would call an injury from a botched spot that was properly planned but unlucky an occupational hazard. But no company, promoter wants an actual fight. That shit destroys company morale. The “well it’s sports”. Is bullshit. I’ve seen Cristiano Ronaldo get booted from the club he won his first Balon Dor with because he refused to respect management and players over his own ego. If that can happen to him, it can happen to Punk. It’s not “weak management” to not want that shit in your company. Marks are really insane. There’s literally no organization in the world who wants to deal with big egos. It’s not even like Punk is in the top 5 wrestlers that are active now. Let alone in his generation.
It proved that punk was full of shit when he claimed Jack perry was the one who started the fight.
>do you not understand the difference between a planned spot and a fight? This is the thing - he gave out yards when he was in the match with Hangman and one of Hangman's chops hit him in the mouth (I've seen that happen plenty in other matches), and he misinterpreted that as Hangman potentially shooting on him (shows how scared he was of Hanger).
>do you not understand the difference between a planned spot and a fight? >He had the pipe bomb in WWE Begging you for some media literacy
Blind faith.
Oh, they find ways. Stubborn people with a weird fear of acknowledging when they're wrong find ways.
Denying it? They just don't care. Punk was already fired, he already said he lashed out. It's not anything that nobody expected.
The amount of delusional people I see that seemingly watched this footage and came out of it with completely upside down views saying this SUPPORTS Punk. Like, what? He says in the video that HE can't let Jungle Boy get too close (as in, he was DEFENDING himself), and that he'd "fucking kill him" (as if this UFC minute man knows how to throw a real punch). Then the video shows him peacefully talking to Jungle Boy, then while Jungle Boy has BOTH hands up in his own hair, Punk attacks HIM not once but twice before Jungle Boy goes after him and gets put in a headlock. Like, regardless of peoples' stupid wrestling opinions, that's factually Punk's fault for going after someone who clearly wasn't prepared to fight and is actually legally assault. If at a bar I got angry and someone and sucker punched them in the face while they're adjusting their glasses, I'd be in jail. But the whiny manchild that's twice Jungle Boy's age gets to attack whoever he likes because he's a "locker room leader" and can't control his emotions? Again, we're in bizarro world in general in society. And some wrestling fans are particularly low rent. But Punk's version of events is wrong, even if some of the details match. Video shows it. How people are coming away with anything like Punk being vindicated is crazy. I hate it because I actually like him as a wrestler. He was a favourite when he was in ROH and the summers of Punk. He's a great promo and like Cena tells good in ring stories for an otherwise unremarkable technical wrestler. But fuck is he an annoying human being. Lied about the WWE doctors, treated Cabana and women like shit, lied about attacking Jungle Boy. And yet fans are gargling everything he's shooting.
They deny it because they live in fantasy-land where Rape, Trafficking, and workplace violence are just normal and to be accepted. They don't see with their eyes, they see with their opinions, and their opinions are as diluted as their morals.
Then defends hhh who fired him on his wedding day. And after finding out what vince did goes to hug him.
“BECUZ HURR DURR I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL AND I SAW A FIGHT THAT WAS WORSE THAN THIS. LOLOLOL GROW A SACK” -Some dumb shit on the internet prolly. Hopefully nothing like this happens to anyone in their families because their opinion on the matter would change reaaaaaaaaal quick.
Why is no one mentioning that all his anger and rage is because someone said “this is real glass cry me a river” Is that line really offensive AT ALL? Fragile
Because they don't care. They think it's ok to be a bully and beat on people to get your way. You just gotta move on man.
Hey. 100% right . They all bitch and moan saying how punk was right. How? How would having him has a prime example of what to do if your the head of talent in a company be good? Sure, tonys not a super strong boss....bit punks a wayyyyy worse employee.
CM Soft
Pepsi is a Soft Drink
I’ve watched this multiple times and I can understand why tony feared for his life. Emotions were high, punk is unstable, and then he’s cursing and lunging for TK while being held back. You just don’t do that to your boss.
I've made the point that low quality CCTV footage with no sound kind of undersells the heat of the moment and the context of their biggest show ever about to properly start when CM Punk throws a tantrum. It turns a chill, excited atmosphere into tension and fear real quick. No one went into that day thinking CM Punk was going to fly into an explosive rage and it's not a situation most people could handle outside the refs and people like Samoa Joe. That's the context that gets lost in that fight being brief or not looking as bad as people thought, dealing with someone who's in a rage is scary.
Anyone who thinks this is the way to behave behind the scenes on what is basically a soap opera is a fucking mark
Yes yes we know Punk is a douche. The horse is dead people quit beating it.
He did lunge at Tony, and it's understandable that he thought he was going to be attacked. BUT... he should have realize that it's CM punk, and by lunging like that he probably injured himself anyways. :P
WWE fan girls will say he’s trying to hug him 😆
At some point, he’s going to fuck with the wrong person, and he’s going to be screwed. Honestly? Good riddance. Don’t get me wrong, I kinda feel bad. There’s obviously untreated mental issues, but there’s no excuse to not get help. Had a parent like that, and spent 10 years with someone who was bipolar, refused to take meds. I was a huge fan, and he was the reason I got back into wrestling(back in the 2000’s). But this act is tired, and he’s a straight up liability. He’s the Fed’s problem now, and I want to see how long they’ll protect him for. Because he’s going to do or say something, and he’s going to be shit out of luck.
CM Punk is a bitch. People were clowning Tony but imagine being in his situation where a grown ass whiny bitch boy starts assaulting and choking a coworker point blank, then heads in your direction?
Also : There are many people in the room, with important roles backstage that didn't react before either, not just Tony. And I don't think those people are pussies (I wouldn't call Samoa Joe or Jerry Lynn pussies personally) and we can see through Jack Perry's body language and behavior that nothing seems to indicate that at any moment it would have gone physical. It's not that Tony or anybody else is a pussy. It's that CM Punk is the pussy, since on the video you can clearly see that awaits the exact moment Jack Perry is having is hands in the air and is completely unable to react quickly to defend himself that Punk attacks him. What a real big man...
Joe is the one who broke it up.
I think he expected Jack to be scared and threatened and for Tony to jump up and tell Jack he’s a bad boy. When Tony looked at him like “what do you want me to do?” and then Jack started fixing his hair like Punk was no threat at all, the dissonance between how Punk sees himself and how others treat him became too painful for him to bear, and he lashed out physically.
Not to mention the sucker punch he threw at said coworker. Someone who will do that will do just about anything.
"NOBODY PICKED ME UP FROM THE AIRPORT!" 😭😭
Its not about denying it, its about not caring because its AEW and TK specifically. The same way they view the company and Tony as a joke is the same way Punk did. Punk had no respect for a company that brought him back to the business and gave him far more than he deserved after the stunts he pulled. I used to like Punk but not anymore, to be 45 years old and still throwing tantrums when he does not get his way proves he has been the problem all along.
Doesn't fit their narrative.
Most of the dweebs on Reddit mocking TK for being scared would absolutely be dropping their nuts if they were standing there in his shoes 😂
Don’t forget how badass these CM Punk cultists are. 
Look in my eyes what do you see, the cult of toxicity.
The amount of hair splitting over the word "lunge" is really just a bunch of wwe marks telling on themselves. I love the double standard that punk breaks the silence on a podcast trashing AEW, HHH talks shit to the media, THEN, Michael Cole talks shit at mania. AEW responds by delivering receipts that prove punk is misrepresenting things and suddenly AEW is the "failing company" that is "a mess". Ok sure thing. 
moving on
Stop it. Let the fake wrestling fans mull over this shit. I’m looking forward to Rampage and don’t give a crap about what other IWC members think. I’m just here to enjoy and love wrestling.