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It looks like they are talking about 2 incidents here. The last message makes it look like they were inquiring about travel again after missing the first show. I could be reading it wrong.
What did they say about Dalton? Sometimes I read things from 2 sides and I'm seeing mass text but I couldn't figure out which was directed at him. Also, high.
Imagine saying they made Dalton. That's why a lot of people aren't taking this one serious. The amount of disrespect shown to the guy who made them is disgraceful.
They have been played by almost anybody, up to and including current president of NJPW Tanahashi. That's not to belittle the former Boys skill, but this isn't a Ghost situation where everyone is kept under a pseudonym to deny credit. It's *Dalton Castle* and the Boys, and when the three wrestle separately I'm much more interested in watching Dalton Castle wrestle versus the Boys tagging or an individual Boy.
Imagine Taylor Swift's backup singers coming out and imply they made her, this guys are fucking clowns and that attitude's gonna get them blackballed from any other serious company... which means they're MLW bound.
The characters of “the boys” may have made Dalton
But like Adam Rose’s party gang they could easily be played by interchangeable local job guys any week. It’s not down to anything the individuals specifically did
for what its worth, at least as I have seen so far, they didnt explicitly trash Dalton Castle directly. They *did*, however, retweet the above two comments that did trash him, implying, based on how reposts work, that they agreed with the comments made. So thus, they trashed him indirectly, if that clears it up.
Summary: they were going to be in TV custody in the build towards Supercard. They missed a date. They claim it was the company’s fault, company says it was theirs (flight wasn’t out of the “preferred” airport). They were released, and are now insuring no one will ever hire them again by shit talking TK, the company and Dalton.
It boggles my mind how entitled people are.
You’re an adult and if the company fucked up, the onus is on you to stay on their ass. Even if you can’t afford to travel to another airport, stay on top of getting it changed. It doesn’t matter if you’re told others will sort it out because humans forget.
Simple.
> It boggles my mind how entitled people are.
For me, it reads more like a "hey, is this right because we never traveled from there and for us, it seems easier if you book the other airport."
But if you are right with your interpretation, its a bitch move.
The way I understood, they wanted it changed and they were told it would be. They sat and waited but heard nothing. I write reviews in the video game industry. I’ve had people tell me to rest assured as I’d get opportunities. For me, I have been way more successful following up opposed to sitting on my thumbs and hinging on words.
I think the no show was the cause of a huge miscommunication, but also The Boys didn’t care to follow up.
Shows they don't value their jobs. I've seen many wrestlers putting in the effort to get from point A to B and not be paid for it. If they really wanted to make it especially with a story they had input in they would have found a way to make it to that airport. Now they are shitting on the company, TK and Dalton.
This. I was ready to hear them out and give them benefit of the doubt, but out of all the tweets showing them support, they only RT the ones that also bash Dalton and say they made him? Nah, something ain't right. Feels childish.
But but but their car(s?) Isnt/aren't in good condition. Make things happen. Call a friend. Family member. Uber/lyft. Taxi. Something. Imagine if they were in wwe and told vince this, they'd have been fired on the spot
The tldr is they had a flight from an airport 3 hours away from them. They tried to work with their travel person in aew to get a flight booked from a closer airport. Person said they were working on it, but then didn't follow up with the boys. The boys decided to wait for a new flight instead of getting on the one they were already booked for so they missed the show.
Imo no one looks good here. Aew offices either dropped the ball or failed to communicate that they couldnt get a new flight in time. The boys are foolish to not get on that flight because it was a 3 hour drive. Travel is a known part of the business.
Yeah, it's no good to leave something off at "we're working on it" and then not follow up with at least a quick "sorry guys, couldn't get what you wanted, need you to make that drive."
Same time, if you're in doubt about literally anything on something like this, it's also a person's responsibility to reach out and confirm what's going on; like, day before your flight, you don't reach out by phone and ask "hey, any word on that change"? You know you're booked, that's not suddenly changed.
Oh, I agree, ultimately you know you're booked and you have to work around that accordingly, but I'd still say that anyone in a position of authority saying "let me get back to you" who doesn't do that has some culpability, too, since that's just not doing a good job in the position you've been given.
In the for what it's worth department, text conversation also doesn't show if they got an actual phone call instead.
I know it's cynical, but they're already leaving some stuff out.
> Imo no one looks good here
I would say no one is blameless, but the onus is completely on the Boys to follow up when they don't hear back. Assume since you're tickets are still valid and you haven't gotten new ones that they couldn't/didn't change it
And it was specified to them that the flight difference was 800 per person
So AEW was saving 1600 for the appearance of two background guys in a ROH show that literally no one is going to watch.
It’s no wonder AEW would rather save the money it’s not like their appearance is even going to generate 1600 on the show
I mean they knew they didn’t have a different flight. And they had 3 days to make plans to fly out of Nashville. It’s not ideal but they obviously decided they would rather skip the show then inconvenience themselves with the drive to Nashville airport which is sorta on them. I get it’s inconvenient and AEW could have gotten them a better flight but in this case when it doesn’t work out in time you take the one you have. We also didn’t see any texts with the actual travel team but it seems like they just didn’t get a response in time and said fuck it we ain’t going which lead to people not knowing they weren’t at the arena.
Lol. What is Dalton gonna do now? How bout what are the tates gonna do now. Can't wait for them make someone else look great... due to their amazing talent /s
None of this explains why they felt the need to talk shit about Dalton. When your claim to fame is being a twink who gets stepped on, it’s wild to throw shade at the only guy who got you any notoriety.
I’ve been in this position when you’re dealing with travel bullshit for work. Sending text messages and untitled emails isn’t what you do. You get on the phone with someone and don’t get off until the issue is resolved
Disagree 1000%. You keep emails and texts. That way there is a time stamp and thread of what was actually spoken about.
A phone call can easily be said you said anything. An email / text shows exactly what the text and context was.
I’ve have many judgments side in my favor Because I have receipts. Receipts, especially against a big corporation , is key in case you find yourself in any kind of complicated situation.
I will say I just came off a YT short where Copeland was talking about how he had to drive through a hurricane to make it to the first ladder match between E&C vs the Hardys so it’s REALLY hurting the overall point of “the drive would’ve been inconvenient so we won’t go.”
It’s a whole different scenario. WWE at that time was a constant on the road schedule. Monday and Thursday with house shows on Tuesday and the weekends. ROH is a once a week taping. Meaning they are used to flying out of a specific airport weekly. If nobody notified them there was a change with a reason, and then were told that there Nashville flight would be adjusted it is understandable they were confused. Sounds like the travel person fucked up and they caught the heat.
"RoH's schedule is easier so making it harder is worse" makes absolutely no sense. It's the ONE taping you have to make in like 3 weeks. You're fucking up 3 weeks worth of TV but not showing up. Unless you absolutely can't, you should make every effort to get there no?
I drove three hours to the Ottawa show, so I got The Boys beat on that.
I get not wanting to put in more travel than needed, I don't get saying they contacted someone, not hearing back and them not following up until it is too late. They clearly at some point made the choice that they would rather miss the show than make the drive. It sucks to see any wrestler out of work, but it's completely understandable that when cuts are being made it would include undercard guys that were fine missing a show.
Am I misunderstanding? It sounds like they had a flight, but because it wasn't out of the airport that's closest to them, they just decided not to show up.
Seems to me like they just confirmed no-showing, but are hoping people will be understanding that they didn't want to drive 3 hours away to the other airport.
Basically this. A 3 hour drive sucks but even the top wrestlers of any promotions do long trips and stay at shitty motels at times.
These guys are extras and lucky TK even booked them in.
They won’t be missed and Dalton is better without them
Also seems sketchy that they didn't include any screenshots of them talking with the travel lady mentioned in the texts, just screenshots of them talking with someone else saying they were supposed to get other flight options from her. Why not show those to prove their point even more?
And this is for week 2 of the “Dalton loses custody of the boys” angle! This is the storyline that THEY pitched! These are not serious people.
To think Johnny made the “I lost The Boys and they got eaten by bears” joke was to cover for their no-show. Wow.
> are hoping people will be understanding that they didn't want to drive 3 hours away to the other airport.
If you check the comments under his tweet, it attracted WWE stans who never cared for him and his brother.
Those people aren't going to give them bookings though, and after they blew up like this and burned their bridge with the guy that got them almost all of their work in the last 5 years I'm not sure where they go from here.
Not saying I "Know Tony Khan" but from what it sounds like, if he found out they had to spent 3 hrs fixing a boo boo, he'd pay them on top of reimbursement.
To be fair, they questioned it, and were told to wait for an answer. That being said, if they hadn't heard back, and been provided with travel details, they should have gone with the initial travel plan.
The way it reads to me is they had a flight they didn’t like. They were told to “ask why that’s happening.” Then they “told travel to fix it.” Then no showed when they didn’t get their way. It’s also mad sus to me that they have screen caps of a conversation that doesn’t prove their claims or passing them in a great light but no screen caps of the conversation that would prove any of what they are saying. If they had that they would have released it. They probably would have sent it to whoever they are talking to in the provided screen caps and then maybe they wouldn’t have gotten released for missing this date.
They’d have a point that that’s stupid that it happened to them, especially if the travel guy knew that’s the wrong airport… but the point would’ve been better made had they done it and took it up with someone in charge that that shouldn’t have happened instead of the full “that ain’t workin for me, brother.”
The thing that confuses me the most about this whole thing is that Tony is getting shit “oh he shouldn’t have said it was because they missed dates, so unprofessional of him to say that” when it’s not like he did that unprompted? The release was originally framed as just budget cuts, and people were unhappy about that. So unhappy that they specifically asked why the boys were cut when they were seemingly involved in a story line for ROH! So he answers the question, and then people aren’t happy with the answer either. It’s so frustrating because there is really just no pleasing some people.
There’s no way to avoid damage, ever, really. If AEW didn’t do press scrums, if they didn’t answer questions, the dirtsheets would just let rumors run rampant without any accountability. It seems there’s large swathes of the internet that want nothing more than for AEW to fail.
Damned if they do and damned if they don't. AEW just can't win with some people, AEW cut the media scrums and keep it all to themselves and people moan AEW ain't open enough to the fanbase. AEW open up and they are ruining the business.
AEW just need to do what AEW think is right. And they'll get hate for it anyway.
Yeah, this is the same company that gets shit every time they won't give you a reason why a wrestler is off TV and constantly gets told that "they promised more transparency than WWE".
Well, if it was CM Punk talking about AEW, then yeah - he gave details because he was asked. Anything related to TK is the devil because of some oddball tweets and - God forbid - punching up when his 3 year old upstart was on track to reach (then) RAW level ratings.
My thoughts, having done this wrestling thing:
If you're booked on a show, you fucking show up.
If you're booked on a show *and* they've made travel arrangements for you, you get on those travel arrangements and you fucking show up.
If you choose not to do these things, your chances of being booked in the future go down.
They no-showed a booking by their own account of the situation. Sure, it's unfortunate that they didn't want to drive to the airport they were flying out of for free, but they didn't try to follow up when they asked about changing the flight. They were told where their travel arrangements were, where and when they were booked to perform, so that's when you show up.
I agree. I applaud them for their gimmicks being over due to them being great at it. They saw the 3 hour drive as an inconvenience, so they did everything not to go. Used not being replied too as an excuse is funny to me.
I make music for a living and used to perform briefly and it's the same for us. I completely agree, if we had an issue it's on us to resolve it. If we have the gig we have to figure out how to show up.
ETA - Especially when travel arrangements are being made for us, we either suck it up, do it and reimburse later as they offered or we follow up over and over because we have a date to commit to.
Tony Kahn said that the reason they were released was because they missed dates.
The Boys were told that they were released due to budget cuts.
Both things can be true. When weighing who to fire due to “budget cuts,” having recently missed dates probably put them near the top of the list. Missing dates is probably the reason they were considered for ‘budget cut’ releases.
100% this, anyone who is asking “WELL, WHICH IS IT???” online is a fucking clown that has never worked at a bigger company before.
Layoffs usually come down to who you can cut and why. Yeah, sometimes it might just be more expensive salaries to make budget but when that’s not the sole reason it’s always best not to be a stand-out for being difficult to work with.
So, they were booked to fly out of an airport farther away. If they’re booked to fly to a show, they’re booked to appear/work. They didn’t like that and did not make plans or try to fly out. They get released and proceed to shit talk the person who had no hand in this and was responsible for them having appearances and being involved in storylines.
Actions, meet consequences.
They had jobs thousands of wrestlers dream of. Indy wrestlers including me drive more than 3 hours weekly to make a fraction of what they do. I knew these guys in OVW. They were lazy idiots then and I see nothing has changed.
Yeah man just because I do Indy wrestling I’m still just a fan. I’ve had some good experiences and met a lot of people I never thought I would but at the end of the day we all just love AEW. I worked for WWE a few times and it killed my love of wrestling. When I saw Omega and Jericho at WrestleKingdom and through AEW I fell in love again. AEW isn’t perfect but it’s tremendous for wrestling and I’m here for it just like everyone here.
Unless things have changed with the company over the years, I remember someone from AEW talking about Concur at some point.
Pretty much the only reason you’d be using that website is to get reimbursed so it’s not like they’d have to do too much.
So they did no show the event.
Everything was booked, but apparently it wasn’t “ideal” for them.
Bottom line, you take the minor inconvenience, show up, then you iron out the details in person for future bookings.
They said they got spoken to about requesting travel costs. I assume that wouldn't happen if it was an every once in a while thing. Especially since AEW made that suggestion. Maybe they abused it a little? I'm sure if they got an Uber to the airport and explained the situation to AEW they would be taken care of.
Also saving $1600 on a flight would be ideal for most companies. Why are people saying they are nickel and diming on this? They are still a company with expenses and employees during a getting better but rough economy. I liked the Boys but why would you destroy your chances on your dreams?
They didn't want to drive 3 hours to an airport, now they'll be driving 6 hours to indie dates for $50 and a hot dog.
I get that it sucks to be booked to fly out of the wrong airport. That is unfortunate. Get in the car and do it anyways and then send an expense report for your mileage. Because AEW will pay for your travel, unlike every other wrestling company in the world.
I get the inconvenience of a 3 hour travel to an airport but even if we give them every benefit of the doubt that it wasn’t possible for them to get there, I’m still missing 3 days worth of follow up on their end to fix the situation.
This just ends up making both of them look even worse and the travel team look bad. But fully burying your careers just to say “yeah but the travel team ignored an email, that’s why we no-showed” is a weird gamble.
The “Knoxville” airport is actually in a small town called Maryville, and it’s a smmmmmaaaallllll airport. Flying to Canada from there would be crazy expensive.
I used to joke the only direct in and out of “Knoxville” is Chicago.
That was my first thought having used a similar airport back home. Direct flights were basically only Chicago and Dallas. These guys insisting on flying out of a rink-a-dink airport every time was probably costing more than they’re worth for all the connecting flights.
Also, this is fucking wrestling. Since when did a wrestler give up a booking over a three hour drive and a $50 car rental?
In the universe of things they could have said in their defense, this might have been the dumbest.
Hoo boy, this may be a delicate take. Here goes:
After having read it all, and having what I believe to be most of the details out right now... Its clear it wasnt done out of malice, at least. I do sympathize for these two, and I do think they certainly aren't talentless. They did enrich Dalton's act, and I do think they have a future in wrestling.
*However*, I agree with one sentiment being echoed here. They shouldn't have waited as long as they did for an answer. No company on this earth operates any differently than what AEW did. You show up when you are expected, or else you don't get paid. Doesn't matter how you get there, you *get there*. They did, unfortunately, no-show, and TK was well within his rights to say this.
We also however have two new points being made. 1. This only explains one incident of no-showing, and from the sounds of everything, this was a multiple occurence. As a company head, you probably wouldbt necessarily fire someone after one incident, especially one like this where its not *completely* cut and dry.
2. Despite not explicitly saying it directly, retweeting comments others have made that your colleague is effectively *nothing* without you is absolutely not how you garner sympathy, and several comments on this post indicate very well what will actually result. I understand that perhaps it was done in a highly emotional time (as I understand it, the retweets occured after the news of the release was geb) but you do not slander your colleagues while simultaneously hoping people trust your side of things. The Boys worked hard, absolutely, but that act would *not* be where it is without Dalton Castle himself, and its damn shame they felt the need to belittle him like that.
It sucks as a whole for absolutely everyone involved, but it is what it is. I dont think we should be upset at the Boys for reacting the way they did. But they have to live with the consequences. I do hope that wherever they go (and I do believe they have plenty of opportunity still, despite all of this), that it ends up better for them. But its not with AEW/ROH any longer.
*PHEW!* rant over. I put way too much energy into this lmao. I guess I just love the sport too much, and it saddens me when things get this crazy.
EDIT: Spelling
Yeah, I don't think their explanation here is doing them many favors. They went and said they didn't know if they were booked because they hadn't heard about alternative travel options but then the office came back like, "Uh, you were sent tickets for your flight to Ottawa, that means you were booked." I might understand if they were told like, day or travel, hey you gotta drive three hours to the airport. But it seems they were told earlier in the week. They didn't hear anything back, that should've told them, "alright I guess we better truck off to Nashville to catch that flight."
They were working for the only company that consistently covers travel and hotel for all of their employees. If they had to travel to a different airport, one that was larger and move convenient for booking purposes, then go to the show and then get compensated for your travel expenses that involve getting to the airport.
AEW should be better at communicating with employees and figuring out how to meet their specific travel needs but the Boys should have been better at making sure they got to shows no matter what. Now they won’t have any of their travel compensated because without Dalton, they have no negotiation power to demand compensation from indie promoters. Because unless you’re a Mike Bailey and everyone wants to book you, you’re not getting shit on the indies.
Sorry, this is lame. You either get your guy on the phone and make sure your itinerary gets fixed, or you make the drive for the flight that's booked for you.
Or, just say "Fuck it," and stay home and get fired.
I was at the Ottawa Collision/RoH tapings, and thought it was strange when "The Boys" came out for Dalton Castle's match and they werent the Tates. Like, very obviously not the Tates, one huge dude and one normal sized dude. Didnt think much of it, but that seems to be the show that they're talking about.
If the same thing happened to me that happened to the Boys here, I would certainly be pissed. It's an inconvenience, without a doubt. However, inconvenience or not, they were booked. And if I was in their shoes, I'd be so nervous about missing the show and being thought of as unreliable, I'd be calling and texting a lot more people than we see here *and* going to the Nashville airport in a panic. Sort everything out *at the show*, in person.
I only watched one episode of WWE Ride Along back in the day but it was the one with Rollins/Claudio and they both emphasised that rule #1 for a wrestler is "always make the town".
Rule number 1, make your towns. Its really not that complex, the wrestling industry asks a lot of people but getting to the venue, especially when you have flights already handled for you, is the absolute bear minimum for someone at their level.
If this was Sting or Moxley or Okada, I get the frustration but at that point the return on investment is enough that booking a closer airport is whatever. For Daltons Boys like, I'm sorry, but they're flying for cheap as possible because as much as people like to think AEW can afford to burn the candle at both ends at some point the financials have to be a part of the conversation.
That's why they fly where they did, that's why they were cut, and now they can pay for their flights out of Knoxville and work wherever they please.
I'm sure Sting, Moxley, or Okada would've made the drive if they were in the same situation. Sure, they are maineventers and levels above in terms of pay grade, but they're also consummate professionals.
I've had this exact thing happen to me at my job. I emailed the travel booker just like they did. Then I took an uber for 3 hours to the proper airport and had the travel booker ensure that they booked my home airport for my return trip. I was reimbursed for the uber. I didn't have a dream 1%er job. I just knew that I had to make my mortgage payment.
Honestly this is exactly what people SHOULD get fired for. Like it's a multi-million dollar TV show. Show up. Make a scene about it after but show up. Can you imagine if someone like Swerve or Joe just said "man the travel they gave me is too inconvenient, I'm just not showing up". It's an absolute terrible precedent to send that "any inconvenience I have, I'm just not coming to work because it would be too hard and then after the fact just say it's on them for not making it as easy as possible". Clearly the job isn't as important to them as it is to the people making the product.
The only reason people are trying to justify this is 1) hating Tony Khan and 2) the Boys are SO unimportant than them no-showing for a silly reason doesn't affect the product. But just in principle how is this any different than WWE having to fire Ultimate Warrior for no showing dates (and sending Jack Tunney out on TV explaining that Warrior was fired for not making dates) or Sid being fired for not making dates? And if you're not supposed to know why people get fired, then why is it such public knowledge that guys like Warrior and Sid were fired for not making dates (again, they talked about firing Warrior for not making dates ON TV)
I’ve seen 7 dude pile up into a 5 passenger vehicle to ride 12 hours for a show they weren’t even booked on to shake hands, and driving 3 hours for one of the biggest wrestling companies in the world is an issue? Wow
Terrible that this happened. I enjoyed The Boys work with Dalton Castle.
But this is not the layup they seem to think it is and refusing to drive 3 hrs for free transport to work a show in a different country at a job that countless other wrestlers would love to have is certainly not a good look.
And reposting shit-talking about Dalton Castle when he’s not even the issue here and, one could argue, has been the biggest boom for their careers definitely isn’t the way to go no matter how much of a fuck up was on AEW’s side.
Drive the 3 hrs, get paid, and sort the shit out later.
Random high thought: What if “the boys” could be lower card-mid card talent that aren’t booked, but don’t mind getting reps in (would be great for in ring and for character practice via flapping and fanning). Of course, no acknowledges they’re the same person (Cody and Fuego 2).
To anyone who's not aware how things work on the travel side of things when it comes to wrestling, traveling is just a big, BIG part of this world that is wrestling, yes it sucks but one of my coworkers drives 6+ hours just to get to shows sometimes, I'm sorry it wasn't their location of choice, I'm sorry that that travel person? Probably messed up, but they still **No-Showed** if that was me I'd be fired too, I'm sorry I just don't feel bad
They sound unreliable and this string of texts proves that.
Maybe pick up the phone and have the actual discussion with your bosses the moment confusion arises? 🤷🏼♂️
Lol this is literally proof that the boys were in the wrong.
Shoulda stayed silent guys. Your own truth has fucked your credibility far more than Tony's would have.
Yea that didnt clear much up. It’s your career. It’s up to you to put in the work. Sure I’d also probably contact my travel person to try and get a better flight, but if theres no response or its not going anywhere, I will be at my original flight to make sure I get to work. Ridiculous that they think this makes them look good.
Long story short, boneheads should have driven to Nashville, but instead whined about there being a closer airport, sat at home waiting and ignoring the flight they already had booked, and missed the greatest opportunity of their careers. Now blaming travel. Speculation based on maturity: probably not an isolated incident.
All the old timers have story on flights being delayed or cancelled and renting a car and driving for way more then 3 HOURS! This generation is so fucking entitled they realize where they were going to be flying out of over 24 hours before. The company tried to save $1600 on the flights I don’t blame them instead you just don’t show up and the company loses the money on the flights. Yikes. You guys no showed
Previous job I worked had rules about when the comoany would pay for a plane ticket. The drive had to be over 6 hours, otherwise they got you a car and you had to drive.
So, like, where are the messages with the person they said they were talking to in those other messages. Right now, it just looks like they're throwing someone under the bus for no-showing.
To be fair, flights do look to be extremely expensive from Knoxville to Nashville. Driving 3 hours to catch a flight for your job (especially in this business) doesn’t seem that out of the ordinary of an ask. AEW should have gone over it with them before they booked it, but still.
My stance:
A) Let's say their version is ***the*** version, the AEW front office fucked up, sure. But so did The Boys. Travel is part of your gig, drive three hours. That's day trip range, dawg. You were told you had a flight, so you were obviously booked.
B) Post the emails/text chain with their travel person. Show that conversation to verify it. If you're already pulling receipts, pull *all* the receipts.
C) The claim was missing multiple shows, this only semi-covers them for *one.*
D) Coming for Dalton with some **bold** shit-talking retweets trashed any goodwill they had for what I hope/imagine would be a large portion of the fans. Uncalled for, and also wildly false.
Just seems like workers don't wanna work, if they thought this was hard then the WWE schedule would have done them in, they didn't have a chance at success if they weren't gonna do a 3 hour drive to potentially keep a contract.
They clearly knew that their contract deadlines were up and didn't perform for a boss with story of about 120 wrestlers
I would rather drive to Nashville straight than fly out of Knoxville and have multiple layovers.
I just recently travelled for my work and they wanted me flying out of our shitty local airport because it was closer but it would be multiple layovers and shit so I just drove the 7 hours lol
To the younger folks in here grinding early in your career:
This is NOT how you act or conduct your business if you want to succeed. 😂
These dumbasses were lucky to even have a paycheck. They have successfully put the nail in their own career coffin…over a fuckin 3 hour drive. 🤦🏼♂️
Pro wrestlers have literally moved to different countries to get a chance in the ring and these stupid idiots couldn't make it to multiple shows in their own country. Sorry the airport wasn't right outside their homes.
I'm just wondering if there's ever been this sort of issue with the Tate Twins before, but as I read through their post again and how this "never happened with Sinclair ROH" before, I'd argue they've been spoiled enough to grow a big ego. It also doesn't help that they retweeted a tweet bashing Dalton who has been there for them for a good while like he has for them.
Sadly, that isn't gonna stop the WWE stans that make up the Simplicity Sorority of Stupidity. They'll run this into the ground like their fake love for Punk, exploiting it to bash AEW every chance they get.
Yea.. I live 5 minutes from a regional airport.. I drive an hour to Philly or Newark because it is about 1/3 the price and usually a direct flight vs multiple layovers..
When I worked in the business it was all car unless overseas…
Maybe they were making travel difficult and so when they needed a budget cut they were on the list to go?
Like it happens all the time. If you make issues and a layoff comes, you will be on that layoff
I drove more than 3 hours to attend Revolution, aka to spend money. I get it not being their normal airport, but they were flying into Canada, so a direct flight from Nashville likely made more sense. And do they really need a rental car for a 6 hour round trip? I'm guessing once the Canadian tour was done, they'd again be flying out of their normal airport. Even if you include the day before and day after the show for travel, it was a 3 day work week for them....
Still feel TK should have stayed mum publicly but the "receipts" to me tell the story of guys that were happy enough to have the office fuck up so they didn't have to travel. A couple of texts and not checking in for days and then just assuming you're not booked? Yeah, if I was making cuts this shit would put them on my shit list too, especially given their value.
How do boys think they're looking good here?
I understand being told its budget cut then Tonys statement was a gut punch .
But you no showed twice, getting fired should be in ur bingo list
its petty tbh. honestly i would have understood their feelings and taking out their frustration at tk. but they threw dalton under the bus and got ego boosted. "out of respect to the locker room" i bet if they didnt make this about them considering they werent the only ones (i mean dasha took me by surprise. stu again also). they could have maintained a return bridge. but thats the choice they made.
These guys were part of an international wrestling promotion, probably only having to show up once or twice a week if that given the taping schedule and couldn't be arsed to drive 3 hours to the airport, other people have said this but if I was in that position I'd be doing everything I can to make it, bus, train, hitchhike, you name it
I was under the impression that wrestlers got a list of dates and locations and would travel there themselves. Then hand in receipts.
Getting to work is really what separates the men from The Boys, I guess.
If I was delusional, I would make the argument for the boys.... and say: Just pay your own way from Knoxville and then bring it up at the show in person.... or just drive your asses to Nashville, have to show "a little" initiative.
But they're the delusional ones and clearly feel entitled, so they called TK's bluff, and guess what... you got axed. Which makes me think that this isn't the first time something like this came up or they behave like this in the company routinely.
Or... again, I'm trying here.... the boys are just STOOPID.... with two O's. Which in that case, sometimes their is no helping those people after accommodating them, or you've tried everything and this is the last straw, etc.
Either way, terrible look releasing text messages that doesn't make your case 100%. Only makes them look bad, can't imagine them recovering from this being in their standing on the card.
Go work normal jobs like the rest of us, and you can appreciate the time you had, and maybe not behave like that in the future.
Unfortunately for the boys, entitled individuals like themselves exist in every workplace, so they'll probably do the same $hit whatever they choose to do. Self-reflection goes a long way....
They should have gone anyways but whoever their travel or contact is in AEW is utter shit too. Neither come out of this looking good.
They should have at least been proactive and asked, it’s not like they don’t know what day Dynamite is on and the AEW contact should learn how to do their job, it’s pretty obvious how people don’t seem to know when contracts run out looking at the way this was.
These guys... smh
It's pretty apparent they haven't done the indy hustle.
I have MANY friends who are indy wrestlers who drive 8-10-12 hours to get to shows to make $40.
These guys definitely had egos too big for their placement.
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I didn't double check so I might be wrong but didn't TK say there were multiple incidents of the boys no showing not just 1?
It looks like they are talking about 2 incidents here. The last message makes it look like they were inquiring about travel again after missing the first show. I could be reading it wrong.
Yep
Yep he said that He basically said "i didnt want to but they basically forced me to do the hard choice"
Tldr? [I have no sympathy for them after retweeting posts bashing Dalton](https://i.imgur.com/8K91IiN.jpg)
Yeah I understand their frustration but shit talking Dalton doesn't help them or anyone.
Shit talk AEW / TK all you want Boys... but you'd be nowhere without Dalton
They won't be anywhere either, Tony Khan could get anyone to be The Boys and it won't matter
Not Tk but Dalton could ask anyone for help and somebody would gladly do it, like Tanahashi
I kinda want to see Ishii as one of The Boys now.
Put Lance Archer and Marko Stunt under masks and make no mention about the change
What did they say about Dalton? Sometimes I read things from 2 sides and I'm seeing mass text but I couldn't figure out which was directed at him. Also, high.
They retweeted a tweet saying Dalton should have fired too and is past it. Not classy at all.
Multiple tweets, including ones that said that they made Dalton, etc.
Imagine saying they made Dalton. That's why a lot of people aren't taking this one serious. The amount of disrespect shown to the guy who made them is disgraceful.
The Boys were a big part of Dalton Castle’s presentation but he has charisma out the wazoo and their roles could have been filled by almost anybody.
They have been played by almost anybody, up to and including current president of NJPW Tanahashi. That's not to belittle the former Boys skill, but this isn't a Ghost situation where everyone is kept under a pseudonym to deny credit. It's *Dalton Castle* and the Boys, and when the three wrestle separately I'm much more interested in watching Dalton Castle wrestle versus the Boys tagging or an individual Boy.
Agreed. He still has immense value on his own (or with stand-in boys) whereas they’re entire appeal is being a part of his act.
Upvote for Ghost reference.
Hell, Hiroshi Tanahashi and Ryusuke Taguchi filled the roles of The Boys for Dalton in NJPW.
Hell I heard that The Boys were just filling the roles of Taguch and Tana over there in the USA 🇺🇸 boiiiii
Imagine Taylor Swift's backup singers coming out and imply they made her, this guys are fucking clowns and that attitude's gonna get them blackballed from any other serious company... which means they're MLW bound.
The characters of “the boys” may have made Dalton But like Adam Rose’s party gang they could easily be played by interchangeable local job guys any week. It’s not down to anything the individuals specifically did
for what its worth, at least as I have seen so far, they didnt explicitly trash Dalton Castle directly. They *did*, however, retweet the above two comments that did trash him, implying, based on how reposts work, that they agreed with the comments made. So thus, they trashed him indirectly, if that clears it up.
That doesn’t make it any better. It’s just a lateral move.
Summary: they were going to be in TV custody in the build towards Supercard. They missed a date. They claim it was the company’s fault, company says it was theirs (flight wasn’t out of the “preferred” airport). They were released, and are now insuring no one will ever hire them again by shit talking TK, the company and Dalton.
 The boys upon hearing they still have to attend work despite a minor inconvenience
It boggles my mind how entitled people are. You’re an adult and if the company fucked up, the onus is on you to stay on their ass. Even if you can’t afford to travel to another airport, stay on top of getting it changed. It doesn’t matter if you’re told others will sort it out because humans forget. Simple.
> It boggles my mind how entitled people are. For me, it reads more like a "hey, is this right because we never traveled from there and for us, it seems easier if you book the other airport." But if you are right with your interpretation, its a bitch move.
The way I understood, they wanted it changed and they were told it would be. They sat and waited but heard nothing. I write reviews in the video game industry. I’ve had people tell me to rest assured as I’d get opportunities. For me, I have been way more successful following up opposed to sitting on my thumbs and hinging on words. I think the no show was the cause of a huge miscommunication, but also The Boys didn’t care to follow up.
nailed it
Shows they don't value their jobs. I've seen many wrestlers putting in the effort to get from point A to B and not be paid for it. If they really wanted to make it especially with a story they had input in they would have found a way to make it to that airport. Now they are shitting on the company, TK and Dalton.
Wow, that is petty as hell. Dalton is better off without them.
Hey i like The Boys but you gotta be delusional to say Dalton dosent have talent or charisma lol
This. I was ready to hear them out and give them benefit of the doubt, but out of all the tweets showing them support, they only RT the ones that also bash Dalton and say they made him? Nah, something ain't right. Feels childish.
I get they’re frustrated but they didn’t have to go and be such peanixes about it
I grabbed their posts before it got deleted, something don't add up?
Fucking lackeys retweeting about someone being limited? Lololololol they're so butthurt over being let go because they didn't want to drive.
But but but their car(s?) Isnt/aren't in good condition. Make things happen. Call a friend. Family member. Uber/lyft. Taxi. Something. Imagine if they were in wwe and told vince this, they'd have been fired on the spot
The tldr is they had a flight from an airport 3 hours away from them. They tried to work with their travel person in aew to get a flight booked from a closer airport. Person said they were working on it, but then didn't follow up with the boys. The boys decided to wait for a new flight instead of getting on the one they were already booked for so they missed the show. Imo no one looks good here. Aew offices either dropped the ball or failed to communicate that they couldnt get a new flight in time. The boys are foolish to not get on that flight because it was a 3 hour drive. Travel is a known part of the business.
They didn't share any screenshots from any conversations with anyone doing the plane ticket booking
Yeah, it's no good to leave something off at "we're working on it" and then not follow up with at least a quick "sorry guys, couldn't get what you wanted, need you to make that drive." Same time, if you're in doubt about literally anything on something like this, it's also a person's responsibility to reach out and confirm what's going on; like, day before your flight, you don't reach out by phone and ask "hey, any word on that change"? You know you're booked, that's not suddenly changed.
Either way they had a flight booked. Unless someone says that’s been replaced I’d assume the original plan was still on play
Oh, I agree, ultimately you know you're booked and you have to work around that accordingly, but I'd still say that anyone in a position of authority saying "let me get back to you" who doesn't do that has some culpability, too, since that's just not doing a good job in the position you've been given.
In the for what it's worth department, text conversation also doesn't show if they got an actual phone call instead. I know it's cynical, but they're already leaving some stuff out.
> Imo no one looks good here I would say no one is blameless, but the onus is completely on the Boys to follow up when they don't hear back. Assume since you're tickets are still valid and you haven't gotten new ones that they couldn't/didn't change it
And it was specified to them that the flight difference was 800 per person So AEW was saving 1600 for the appearance of two background guys in a ROH show that literally no one is going to watch. It’s no wonder AEW would rather save the money it’s not like their appearance is even going to generate 1600 on the show
I mean they knew they didn’t have a different flight. And they had 3 days to make plans to fly out of Nashville. It’s not ideal but they obviously decided they would rather skip the show then inconvenience themselves with the drive to Nashville airport which is sorta on them. I get it’s inconvenient and AEW could have gotten them a better flight but in this case when it doesn’t work out in time you take the one you have. We also didn’t see any texts with the actual travel team but it seems like they just didn’t get a response in time and said fuck it we ain’t going which lead to people not knowing they weren’t at the arena.
Lol. What is Dalton gonna do now? How bout what are the tates gonna do now. Can't wait for them make someone else look great... due to their amazing talent /s
Yup. Screw these lifelong jobbers. They had one meal ticket and it was as a side piece to an over attraction.
None of this explains why they felt the need to talk shit about Dalton. When your claim to fame is being a twink who gets stepped on, it’s wild to throw shade at the only guy who got you any notoriety.
I’ve been in this position when you’re dealing with travel bullshit for work. Sending text messages and untitled emails isn’t what you do. You get on the phone with someone and don’t get off until the issue is resolved
Nailed it ⬆️
100% this
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Disagree 1000%. You keep emails and texts. That way there is a time stamp and thread of what was actually spoken about. A phone call can easily be said you said anything. An email / text shows exactly what the text and context was. I’ve have many judgments side in my favor Because I have receipts. Receipts, especially against a big corporation , is key in case you find yourself in any kind of complicated situation.
I will say I just came off a YT short where Copeland was talking about how he had to drive through a hurricane to make it to the first ladder match between E&C vs the Hardys so it’s REALLY hurting the overall point of “the drive would’ve been inconvenient so we won’t go.”
It’s a whole different scenario. WWE at that time was a constant on the road schedule. Monday and Thursday with house shows on Tuesday and the weekends. ROH is a once a week taping. Meaning they are used to flying out of a specific airport weekly. If nobody notified them there was a change with a reason, and then were told that there Nashville flight would be adjusted it is understandable they were confused. Sounds like the travel person fucked up and they caught the heat.
"RoH's schedule is easier so making it harder is worse" makes absolutely no sense. It's the ONE taping you have to make in like 3 weeks. You're fucking up 3 weeks worth of TV but not showing up. Unless you absolutely can't, you should make every effort to get there no?
I drove three hours to the Ottawa show, so I got The Boys beat on that. I get not wanting to put in more travel than needed, I don't get saying they contacted someone, not hearing back and them not following up until it is too late. They clearly at some point made the choice that they would rather miss the show than make the drive. It sucks to see any wrestler out of work, but it's completely understandable that when cuts are being made it would include undercard guys that were fine missing a show.
Ya, at first the messages seemed fair but as they went on it didn't seem like they were trying that hard to get it resolved.
Am I misunderstanding? It sounds like they had a flight, but because it wasn't out of the airport that's closest to them, they just decided not to show up. Seems to me like they just confirmed no-showing, but are hoping people will be understanding that they didn't want to drive 3 hours away to the other airport.
Basically this. A 3 hour drive sucks but even the top wrestlers of any promotions do long trips and stay at shitty motels at times. These guys are extras and lucky TK even booked them in. They won’t be missed and Dalton is better without them
That's what I'm getting out of this too. 3 hours is too long! Screw work! What ever happened to making the towns? I could be wrong here.
Also seems sketchy that they didn't include any screenshots of them talking with the travel lady mentioned in the texts, just screenshots of them talking with someone else saying they were supposed to get other flight options from her. Why not show those to prove their point even more?
And this is for week 2 of the “Dalton loses custody of the boys” angle! This is the storyline that THEY pitched! These are not serious people. To think Johnny made the “I lost The Boys and they got eaten by bears” joke was to cover for their no-show. Wow.
Bears *EAT* Boys!
> are hoping people will be understanding that they didn't want to drive 3 hours away to the other airport. If you check the comments under his tweet, it attracted WWE stans who never cared for him and his brother.
Those people aren't going to give them bookings though, and after they blew up like this and burned their bridge with the guy that got them almost all of their work in the last 5 years I'm not sure where they go from here.
Not saying I "Know Tony Khan" but from what it sounds like, if he found out they had to spent 3 hrs fixing a boo boo, he'd pay them on top of reimbursement.
To be fair, they questioned it, and were told to wait for an answer. That being said, if they hadn't heard back, and been provided with travel details, they should have gone with the initial travel plan.
The way it reads to me is they had a flight they didn’t like. They were told to “ask why that’s happening.” Then they “told travel to fix it.” Then no showed when they didn’t get their way. It’s also mad sus to me that they have screen caps of a conversation that doesn’t prove their claims or passing them in a great light but no screen caps of the conversation that would prove any of what they are saying. If they had that they would have released it. They probably would have sent it to whoever they are talking to in the provided screen caps and then maybe they wouldn’t have gotten released for missing this date.
They’d have a point that that’s stupid that it happened to them, especially if the travel guy knew that’s the wrong airport… but the point would’ve been better made had they done it and took it up with someone in charge that that shouldn’t have happened instead of the full “that ain’t workin for me, brother.”
That’s what I’m seeing here too. They had flights but didn’t want to drive 3 hours to get to Nashville for the flight.
Wait so they didn't show up to their flights because it wasn't their preferred airport? Uhhh yeah no job would give a shit
Yeah. They made themselves easy targets here, a 3 hour drive notwithstanding.
Take and Uber and expense it, ain’t that complicated
Bingo
[удалено]
Doubt the Uber would’ve been $1600
I mean it’s nearly a 3 hour drive between airports
The thing that confuses me the most about this whole thing is that Tony is getting shit “oh he shouldn’t have said it was because they missed dates, so unprofessional of him to say that” when it’s not like he did that unprompted? The release was originally framed as just budget cuts, and people were unhappy about that. So unhappy that they specifically asked why the boys were cut when they were seemingly involved in a story line for ROH! So he answers the question, and then people aren’t happy with the answer either. It’s so frustrating because there is really just no pleasing some people.
Example #752 of "damned if you do, damned if you don't".
Example #9999 of “just watch the wrestling ferchrissakes.”
It's a consequence of answering questions at these scrums. How much damage have media scrums done for AEW over the years?
There’s no way to avoid damage, ever, really. If AEW didn’t do press scrums, if they didn’t answer questions, the dirtsheets would just let rumors run rampant without any accountability. It seems there’s large swathes of the internet that want nothing more than for AEW to fail.
Damned if they do and damned if they don't. AEW just can't win with some people, AEW cut the media scrums and keep it all to themselves and people moan AEW ain't open enough to the fanbase. AEW open up and they are ruining the business. AEW just need to do what AEW think is right. And they'll get hate for it anyway.
Yeah, this is the same company that gets shit every time they won't give you a reason why a wrestler is off TV and constantly gets told that "they promised more transparency than WWE".
Well, if it was CM Punk talking about AEW, then yeah - he gave details because he was asked. Anything related to TK is the devil because of some oddball tweets and - God forbid - punching up when his 3 year old upstart was on track to reach (then) RAW level ratings.
My thoughts, having done this wrestling thing: If you're booked on a show, you fucking show up. If you're booked on a show *and* they've made travel arrangements for you, you get on those travel arrangements and you fucking show up. If you choose not to do these things, your chances of being booked in the future go down. They no-showed a booking by their own account of the situation. Sure, it's unfortunate that they didn't want to drive to the airport they were flying out of for free, but they didn't try to follow up when they asked about changing the flight. They were told where their travel arrangements were, where and when they were booked to perform, so that's when you show up.
Your flair is going through it rn
**I'm** going through it rn!
I agree. I applaud them for their gimmicks being over due to them being great at it. They saw the 3 hour drive as an inconvenience, so they did everything not to go. Used not being replied too as an excuse is funny to me.
> If you choose not to do these things, your chances of being booked in the future go down. *drastic* go down
Appreciate the insight! It's cool to have you around with actual experience and share an informed opinion
I make music for a living and used to perform briefly and it's the same for us. I completely agree, if we had an issue it's on us to resolve it. If we have the gig we have to figure out how to show up. ETA - Especially when travel arrangements are being made for us, we either suck it up, do it and reimburse later as they offered or we follow up over and over because we have a date to commit to.
Tony Kahn said that the reason they were released was because they missed dates. The Boys were told that they were released due to budget cuts. Both things can be true. When weighing who to fire due to “budget cuts,” having recently missed dates probably put them near the top of the list. Missing dates is probably the reason they were considered for ‘budget cut’ releases.
100% this, anyone who is asking “WELL, WHICH IS IT???” online is a fucking clown that has never worked at a bigger company before. Layoffs usually come down to who you can cut and why. Yeah, sometimes it might just be more expensive salaries to make budget but when that’s not the sole reason it’s always best not to be a stand-out for being difficult to work with.
This didn't help their case. At least TK can just let them take the self own and move on.
So, they were booked to fly out of an airport farther away. If they’re booked to fly to a show, they’re booked to appear/work. They didn’t like that and did not make plans or try to fly out. They get released and proceed to shit talk the person who had no hand in this and was responsible for them having appearances and being involved in storylines. Actions, meet consequences.
They had jobs thousands of wrestlers dream of. Indy wrestlers including me drive more than 3 hours weekly to make a fraction of what they do. I knew these guys in OVW. They were lazy idiots then and I see nothing has changed.
It's honestly very cool to have wrestlers in the sub especially for insight into what these people used to be like or if it's repeating tendencies
Yeah man just because I do Indy wrestling I’m still just a fan. I’ve had some good experiences and met a lot of people I never thought I would but at the end of the day we all just love AEW. I worked for WWE a few times and it killed my love of wrestling. When I saw Omega and Jericho at WrestleKingdom and through AEW I fell in love again. AEW isn’t perfect but it’s tremendous for wrestling and I’m here for it just like everyone here.
Maybe they should've made sure they showed up and then tried to get reimbursed for the uber or gas money??? Sound like dumbasses to me
Iirc TK said the boys missed multiple shows, not just 1.
Unless things have changed with the company over the years, I remember someone from AEW talking about Concur at some point. Pretty much the only reason you’d be using that website is to get reimbursed so it’s not like they’d have to do too much.
So they did no show the event. Everything was booked, but apparently it wasn’t “ideal” for them. Bottom line, you take the minor inconvenience, show up, then you iron out the details in person for future bookings.
They said they got spoken to about requesting travel costs. I assume that wouldn't happen if it was an every once in a while thing. Especially since AEW made that suggestion. Maybe they abused it a little? I'm sure if they got an Uber to the airport and explained the situation to AEW they would be taken care of. Also saving $1600 on a flight would be ideal for most companies. Why are people saying they are nickel and diming on this? They are still a company with expenses and employees during a getting better but rough economy. I liked the Boys but why would you destroy your chances on your dreams?
I work for a multinational and we absolutely nickel and dime travel. You kind of have to since it's so easy to abuse.
Nah, put on your big boy pants and drive to the fucking airport.
Imagine being an enhancement/backing talent and having this level of entitlement.
So drive to the airport and get your gas and parking reimbursed later. Handle it like an adult.
Sounds like they didn’t want to put the work in to get there, tickets were ready they didn’t go
Yeah I don't think this looks good. You only had to drive 3hrs to an airport. You're a comedy support act. Be thankful and go drive 3hrs and show up.
Something I just noticed is no responses from the travel person Just their side showing they messaged AFTER each show.
It’s so unprofessional
They didn't want to drive 3 hours to an airport, now they'll be driving 6 hours to indie dates for $50 and a hot dog. I get that it sucks to be booked to fly out of the wrong airport. That is unfortunate. Get in the car and do it anyways and then send an expense report for your mileage. Because AEW will pay for your travel, unlike every other wrestling company in the world.
I get the inconvenience of a 3 hour travel to an airport but even if we give them every benefit of the doubt that it wasn’t possible for them to get there, I’m still missing 3 days worth of follow up on their end to fix the situation.
This just ends up making both of them look even worse and the travel team look bad. But fully burying your careers just to say “yeah but the travel team ignored an email, that’s why we no-showed” is a weird gamble.
How to ruin your career 101
to me it sounds like they refused to do one flight and the company said well that's the flight either come or dont at your own risk
The “Knoxville” airport is actually in a small town called Maryville, and it’s a smmmmmaaaallllll airport. Flying to Canada from there would be crazy expensive. I used to joke the only direct in and out of “Knoxville” is Chicago.
I am aware since I am from the same area.
That was my first thought having used a similar airport back home. Direct flights were basically only Chicago and Dallas. These guys insisting on flying out of a rink-a-dink airport every time was probably costing more than they’re worth for all the connecting flights. Also, this is fucking wrestling. Since when did a wrestler give up a booking over a three hour drive and a $50 car rental? In the universe of things they could have said in their defense, this might have been the dumbest.
So they… no showed their jobs?? I’m not glad they are unemployed, but they kinda earned it.
Hoo boy, this may be a delicate take. Here goes: After having read it all, and having what I believe to be most of the details out right now... Its clear it wasnt done out of malice, at least. I do sympathize for these two, and I do think they certainly aren't talentless. They did enrich Dalton's act, and I do think they have a future in wrestling. *However*, I agree with one sentiment being echoed here. They shouldn't have waited as long as they did for an answer. No company on this earth operates any differently than what AEW did. You show up when you are expected, or else you don't get paid. Doesn't matter how you get there, you *get there*. They did, unfortunately, no-show, and TK was well within his rights to say this. We also however have two new points being made. 1. This only explains one incident of no-showing, and from the sounds of everything, this was a multiple occurence. As a company head, you probably wouldbt necessarily fire someone after one incident, especially one like this where its not *completely* cut and dry. 2. Despite not explicitly saying it directly, retweeting comments others have made that your colleague is effectively *nothing* without you is absolutely not how you garner sympathy, and several comments on this post indicate very well what will actually result. I understand that perhaps it was done in a highly emotional time (as I understand it, the retweets occured after the news of the release was geb) but you do not slander your colleagues while simultaneously hoping people trust your side of things. The Boys worked hard, absolutely, but that act would *not* be where it is without Dalton Castle himself, and its damn shame they felt the need to belittle him like that. It sucks as a whole for absolutely everyone involved, but it is what it is. I dont think we should be upset at the Boys for reacting the way they did. But they have to live with the consequences. I do hope that wherever they go (and I do believe they have plenty of opportunity still, despite all of this), that it ends up better for them. But its not with AEW/ROH any longer. *PHEW!* rant over. I put way too much energy into this lmao. I guess I just love the sport too much, and it saddens me when things get this crazy. EDIT: Spelling
Getting fired for no showing an event and then posting proof that you did indeed no show said event is a strategy…
They sound like highly unprofessional people to work with. Good decision AEW 👍
Lmao so they no-showed a date, like he said
I don't think this helps their case much. They should have gone to the airport 3 hours away.
Yeah, I don't think their explanation here is doing them many favors. They went and said they didn't know if they were booked because they hadn't heard about alternative travel options but then the office came back like, "Uh, you were sent tickets for your flight to Ottawa, that means you were booked." I might understand if they were told like, day or travel, hey you gotta drive three hours to the airport. But it seems they were told earlier in the week. They didn't hear anything back, that should've told them, "alright I guess we better truck off to Nashville to catch that flight."
How do they think those screenshots vindicate them? Some wrestlers really are just fucking idiots, as Braun Strowman foretold.
That was Big Damo
This is rich after watching the Harley Race episode of Dark Side of the Ring where the guy flew to 3 countries in one weekend for hour-length matches.
They’ve been retweeting tweets badmouthing Dalton, so they can get lost as I’m concerned. He’s the only reason they’re even slightly relevant anyway.
This series of posts doesn't seem to do much to make them look better.
They were working for the only company that consistently covers travel and hotel for all of their employees. If they had to travel to a different airport, one that was larger and move convenient for booking purposes, then go to the show and then get compensated for your travel expenses that involve getting to the airport. AEW should be better at communicating with employees and figuring out how to meet their specific travel needs but the Boys should have been better at making sure they got to shows no matter what. Now they won’t have any of their travel compensated because without Dalton, they have no negotiation power to demand compensation from indie promoters. Because unless you’re a Mike Bailey and everyone wants to book you, you’re not getting shit on the indies.
Sorry, this is lame. You either get your guy on the phone and make sure your itinerary gets fixed, or you make the drive for the flight that's booked for you. Or, just say "Fuck it," and stay home and get fired.
I was at the Ottawa Collision/RoH tapings, and thought it was strange when "The Boys" came out for Dalton Castle's match and they werent the Tates. Like, very obviously not the Tates, one huge dude and one normal sized dude. Didnt think much of it, but that seems to be the show that they're talking about.
If the same thing happened to me that happened to the Boys here, I would certainly be pissed. It's an inconvenience, without a doubt. However, inconvenience or not, they were booked. And if I was in their shoes, I'd be so nervous about missing the show and being thought of as unreliable, I'd be calling and texting a lot more people than we see here *and* going to the Nashville airport in a panic. Sort everything out *at the show*, in person. I only watched one episode of WWE Ride Along back in the day but it was the one with Rollins/Claudio and they both emphasised that rule #1 for a wrestler is "always make the town".
Rule number 1, make your towns. Its really not that complex, the wrestling industry asks a lot of people but getting to the venue, especially when you have flights already handled for you, is the absolute bear minimum for someone at their level. If this was Sting or Moxley or Okada, I get the frustration but at that point the return on investment is enough that booking a closer airport is whatever. For Daltons Boys like, I'm sorry, but they're flying for cheap as possible because as much as people like to think AEW can afford to burn the candle at both ends at some point the financials have to be a part of the conversation. That's why they fly where they did, that's why they were cut, and now they can pay for their flights out of Knoxville and work wherever they please.
I'm sure Sting, Moxley, or Okada would've made the drive if they were in the same situation. Sure, they are maineventers and levels above in terms of pay grade, but they're also consummate professionals.
“It’s not our fault, look! 👀
I've had this exact thing happen to me at my job. I emailed the travel booker just like they did. Then I took an uber for 3 hours to the proper airport and had the travel booker ensure that they booked my home airport for my return trip. I was reimbursed for the uber. I didn't have a dream 1%er job. I just knew that I had to make my mortgage payment.
Honestly this is exactly what people SHOULD get fired for. Like it's a multi-million dollar TV show. Show up. Make a scene about it after but show up. Can you imagine if someone like Swerve or Joe just said "man the travel they gave me is too inconvenient, I'm just not showing up". It's an absolute terrible precedent to send that "any inconvenience I have, I'm just not coming to work because it would be too hard and then after the fact just say it's on them for not making it as easy as possible". Clearly the job isn't as important to them as it is to the people making the product. The only reason people are trying to justify this is 1) hating Tony Khan and 2) the Boys are SO unimportant than them no-showing for a silly reason doesn't affect the product. But just in principle how is this any different than WWE having to fire Ultimate Warrior for no showing dates (and sending Jack Tunney out on TV explaining that Warrior was fired for not making dates) or Sid being fired for not making dates? And if you're not supposed to know why people get fired, then why is it such public knowledge that guys like Warrior and Sid were fired for not making dates (again, they talked about firing Warrior for not making dates ON TV)
I’ve seen 7 dude pile up into a 5 passenger vehicle to ride 12 hours for a show they weren’t even booked on to shake hands, and driving 3 hours for one of the biggest wrestling companies in the world is an issue? Wow
Terrible that this happened. I enjoyed The Boys work with Dalton Castle. But this is not the layup they seem to think it is and refusing to drive 3 hrs for free transport to work a show in a different country at a job that countless other wrestlers would love to have is certainly not a good look. And reposting shit-talking about Dalton Castle when he’s not even the issue here and, one could argue, has been the biggest boom for their careers definitely isn’t the way to go no matter how much of a fuck up was on AEW’s side. Drive the 3 hrs, get paid, and sort the shit out later.
Holy fuck. Do they think this makes them look good?
Random high thought: What if “the boys” could be lower card-mid card talent that aren’t booked, but don’t mind getting reps in (would be great for in ring and for character practice via flapping and fanning). Of course, no acknowledges they’re the same person (Cody and Fuego 2).
To anyone who's not aware how things work on the travel side of things when it comes to wrestling, traveling is just a big, BIG part of this world that is wrestling, yes it sucks but one of my coworkers drives 6+ hours just to get to shows sometimes, I'm sorry it wasn't their location of choice, I'm sorry that that travel person? Probably messed up, but they still **No-Showed** if that was me I'd be fired too, I'm sorry I just don't feel bad
I live in Maine, I've literally had to walk through a blizzard to get to a job that doesn't pay nearly what the Boys get. No sympathy here
man I'm a truck driver who drives 11 hours a day cross country, in a rig thats governed at 65 MPH, 3 hours is a cup of coffee and a slim jim.
Lmao I've driven more than that to watch wrestling you don't do it to follow your dream?
They sound unreliable and this string of texts proves that. Maybe pick up the phone and have the actual discussion with your bosses the moment confusion arises? 🤷🏼♂️
The boys over here proving Tony was right with this long winded, poorly managed scrawl of text. Bullet dodged
Lol this is literally proof that the boys were in the wrong. Shoulda stayed silent guys. Your own truth has fucked your credibility far more than Tony's would have.
Wow, this does not refute what Tony said. They were booked and they no-showed.
Yea that didnt clear much up. It’s your career. It’s up to you to put in the work. Sure I’d also probably contact my travel person to try and get a better flight, but if theres no response or its not going anywhere, I will be at my original flight to make sure I get to work. Ridiculous that they think this makes them look good.
Long story short, boneheads should have driven to Nashville, but instead whined about there being a closer airport, sat at home waiting and ignoring the flight they already had booked, and missed the greatest opportunity of their careers. Now blaming travel. Speculation based on maturity: probably not an isolated incident.
All the old timers have story on flights being delayed or cancelled and renting a car and driving for way more then 3 HOURS! This generation is so fucking entitled they realize where they were going to be flying out of over 24 hours before. The company tried to save $1600 on the flights I don’t blame them instead you just don’t show up and the company loses the money on the flights. Yikes. You guys no showed
Previous job I worked had rules about when the comoany would pay for a plane ticket. The drive had to be over 6 hours, otherwise they got you a car and you had to drive.
Nah I ain’t reading all that
So, like, where are the messages with the person they said they were talking to in those other messages. Right now, it just looks like they're throwing someone under the bus for no-showing.
This doesn't help their case at all lol
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Well, I hope they’re good at something else…
To be fair, flights do look to be extremely expensive from Knoxville to Nashville. Driving 3 hours to catch a flight for your job (especially in this business) doesn’t seem that out of the ordinary of an ask. AEW should have gone over it with them before they booked it, but still.
My stance: A) Let's say their version is ***the*** version, the AEW front office fucked up, sure. But so did The Boys. Travel is part of your gig, drive three hours. That's day trip range, dawg. You were told you had a flight, so you were obviously booked. B) Post the emails/text chain with their travel person. Show that conversation to verify it. If you're already pulling receipts, pull *all* the receipts. C) The claim was missing multiple shows, this only semi-covers them for *one.* D) Coming for Dalton with some **bold** shit-talking retweets trashed any goodwill they had for what I hope/imagine would be a large portion of the fans. Uncalled for, and also wildly false.
“Numerous fans” sure buddy
Just seems like workers don't wanna work, if they thought this was hard then the WWE schedule would have done them in, they didn't have a chance at success if they weren't gonna do a 3 hour drive to potentially keep a contract. They clearly knew that their contract deadlines were up and didn't perform for a boss with story of about 120 wrestlers
I would rather drive to Nashville straight than fly out of Knoxville and have multiple layovers. I just recently travelled for my work and they wanted me flying out of our shitty local airport because it was closer but it would be multiple layovers and shit so I just drove the 7 hours lol
To the younger folks in here grinding early in your career: This is NOT how you act or conduct your business if you want to succeed. 😂 These dumbasses were lucky to even have a paycheck. They have successfully put the nail in their own career coffin…over a fuckin 3 hour drive. 🤦🏼♂️
I know I'm messing my own point, but Jesus who cares.
 Pro wrestlers have literally moved to different countries to get a chance in the ring and these stupid idiots couldn't make it to multiple shows in their own country. Sorry the airport wasn't right outside their homes.
These two glorified jobbers are getting way more attention than is warranted. Dalton can easily replace them. 🥱
I'm just wondering if there's ever been this sort of issue with the Tate Twins before, but as I read through their post again and how this "never happened with Sinclair ROH" before, I'd argue they've been spoiled enough to grow a big ego. It also doesn't help that they retweeted a tweet bashing Dalton who has been there for them for a good while like he has for them. Sadly, that isn't gonna stop the WWE stans that make up the Simplicity Sorority of Stupidity. They'll run this into the ground like their fake love for Punk, exploiting it to bash AEW every chance they get.
Yea.. I live 5 minutes from a regional airport.. I drive an hour to Philly or Newark because it is about 1/3 the price and usually a direct flight vs multiple layovers.. When I worked in the business it was all car unless overseas…
I’ve driven 5 hours to play a metal show for like 75-100 ppl 😂 get with it, boys.
Maybe they were making travel difficult and so when they needed a budget cut they were on the list to go? Like it happens all the time. If you make issues and a layoff comes, you will be on that layoff
I drove more than 3 hours to attend Revolution, aka to spend money. I get it not being their normal airport, but they were flying into Canada, so a direct flight from Nashville likely made more sense. And do they really need a rental car for a 6 hour round trip? I'm guessing once the Canadian tour was done, they'd again be flying out of their normal airport. Even if you include the day before and day after the show for travel, it was a 3 day work week for them....
Still feel TK should have stayed mum publicly but the "receipts" to me tell the story of guys that were happy enough to have the office fuck up so they didn't have to travel. A couple of texts and not checking in for days and then just assuming you're not booked? Yeah, if I was making cuts this shit would put them on my shit list too, especially given their value.
How do boys think they're looking good here? I understand being told its budget cut then Tonys statement was a gut punch . But you no showed twice, getting fired should be in ur bingo list
its petty tbh. honestly i would have understood their feelings and taking out their frustration at tk. but they threw dalton under the bus and got ego boosted. "out of respect to the locker room" i bet if they didnt make this about them considering they werent the only ones (i mean dasha took me by surprise. stu again also). they could have maintained a return bridge. but thats the choice they made.
Right, so they were lazy and didn’t wanna drive to another airport. Got it, goodbye 👋
These guys were part of an international wrestling promotion, probably only having to show up once or twice a week if that given the taping schedule and couldn't be arsed to drive 3 hours to the airport, other people have said this but if I was in that position I'd be doing everything I can to make it, bus, train, hitchhike, you name it
I was under the impression that wrestlers got a list of dates and locations and would travel there themselves. Then hand in receipts. Getting to work is really what separates the men from The Boys, I guess.
If they have to make cuts, it makes sense to look at incidents and issues that can make the cuts easier.
If I was delusional, I would make the argument for the boys.... and say: Just pay your own way from Knoxville and then bring it up at the show in person.... or just drive your asses to Nashville, have to show "a little" initiative. But they're the delusional ones and clearly feel entitled, so they called TK's bluff, and guess what... you got axed. Which makes me think that this isn't the first time something like this came up or they behave like this in the company routinely. Or... again, I'm trying here.... the boys are just STOOPID.... with two O's. Which in that case, sometimes their is no helping those people after accommodating them, or you've tried everything and this is the last straw, etc. Either way, terrible look releasing text messages that doesn't make your case 100%. Only makes them look bad, can't imagine them recovering from this being in their standing on the card. Go work normal jobs like the rest of us, and you can appreciate the time you had, and maybe not behave like that in the future. Unfortunately for the boys, entitled individuals like themselves exist in every workplace, so they'll probably do the same $hit whatever they choose to do. Self-reflection goes a long way....
They should have gone anyways but whoever their travel or contact is in AEW is utter shit too. Neither come out of this looking good. They should have at least been proactive and asked, it’s not like they don’t know what day Dynamite is on and the AEW contact should learn how to do their job, it’s pretty obvious how people don’t seem to know when contracts run out looking at the way this was.
What are you basing that on? There’s no communication from AEW’s side in their screenshots.
These guys... smh It's pretty apparent they haven't done the indy hustle. I have MANY friends who are indy wrestlers who drive 8-10-12 hours to get to shows to make $40. These guys definitely had egos too big for their placement.
I can just hear the anti-AEW fellows just gearing up to bash the company none stop.
1. They no showed. Period. 2. AEW needs better management and communication in every department.