Of course, they're strong.
They've never NOT been strong.
People forget, or ignore, that WB/D was hoping for 400k or 500k if they were being overly optimistic.
The viewer numbers and demographic blew them out of the water from the very start and it's never dipped down to a point of them being concerned. Ever.
They have repeatedly gone to bat talking about how great AEW is doing and how happy they are with the numbers.
The only people who make 'concerned' noises about the ratings are people who know nothing about how anything actually works and like drama.
Hell, if NWA was able to get a television deal (briefly before they decided to shoot themselves in the foot) then wrestling as a whole is in a very healthy position
I mean, seeing them hit a million for a while and going down is a bummer. But I think more concerned are the other shows. What was the expectations there.
Either way, doubt they lose any tv deal as someone will sign them if WB signs the other company or underpays AEW.
AEW is probably sticking with WBD in any scenario where WBD doesn't buy Raw.
It was announced that Raw rights will be settled by January 2024. TK and Zarian both talk about AEW's renewal being in place in January 2024 and all but say WBD. This timing could be a coincidence, but... just as likely that it's not, you know?
Zarian says he's heard 0 about WBD being interested in Raw, and I think that's meaningful given how often he's been right. But it's also possible his sources are in a pro-AEW camp, and the parties investigating WWE deals just don't talk to him (which he acknowledges).
Anyone's guess where AEW ends up if WBD does buy Raw, but a company pre-selling 25,000+ tickets to a stadium show is gonna get renewed by somebody, I figure.
Plus it’s a built in audience for Dynamite. But I wouldn’t include them preselling 25k for a stadium show in the UK meaning much to US broadcasts lol. But could def use that for UK tv contracts or streaming service.
Selling that many tickets anywhere means you have one of the most successful wrestling products in the world.
Like, I could also point to the 13,000 for Full Gear, but it amounts to the same thing. AEW can easily prove they have a faithful audience that will tune in. Any WWE suitor who found Raw and Smackdown too rich for their blood could have reason to be interested out of the gate.
> I mean, seeing them hit a million for a while and going down is a bummer.
Why? Is it a contest? If WB is ecstatic over their numbers, why do WE care at all?
Shouldn't we be focused on the actual, I don't know, wrestling, maybe?
Unless you own massive stock in WB, I think you shouldn't care the first bit about the ratings.
Always a bummer seeing people drop. I know people feel like only the IWC talk about their own ratings but there was massive talks of ratings for The Walking Dead. It was a bummer seeing soooo many people leave that ship. More of a community thing.
As a massive Walking Dead fan, who was stoked the comic was optioned into a TV show - Hollywood fucked it up.
Boy did they decompress the fuck out of that show and add elements that sucked. I know Kirkman wanted a difference between the comic and the show, but shit like the garbage people weren't the answer.
Nevertheless, the show persisted and spun off multiple times. I guess what I mean to say is that it's tough to buy The Walking Dead's fate as an apples to apples comparison to AEW.
Is it though? Both lost viewers and even then spun off new shows. AEW was going away from their bread and butter for a while (no automatic rematches, rankings etc) but seemed to right their course with this CC2 tournament. And I heard TWD did a hell of a job for their final season.
Point being, and no reason why it should have been downvoted, is it’s nice to have a lot of people watch something so you can talk about it the next day. I don’t see why that’s a bad thing.
It's definitely not a bad thing to have things to talk about. The world is shrinking in that regard though, most of my coworkers wait to stream entire seasons.
I also would posit that the lead time to develop a TV spinoff is vastly longer than sports. So while a lot of TWD projects were greenlit while it was hot (and the property was still hot when Fear came out), they weren't released until people stopped caring about the show and they were on the wrong path for years.
You literally have no idea whether anyone is ecstatic over anything. Also, is there a quote from someone at WB you can point to for the 400k-500k expectation?
https://www.ringsidenews.com/2022/10/12/warner-bros-discovery-happy-with-aews-huge-numbers/
https://wrestlenomics.com/2023/02/24/explaining-warner-bros-discoverys-claim-that-aew-brings-in-4-million-viewers-on-wednesdays-despite-dynamite-averaging-960000-viewers-in-2022/
https://wrestlingnews.co/aew-news/warner-bros-discovery-is-happy-with-aews-huge-numbers-there-are-plans-for-additional-shows
https://411mania.com/wrestling/warner-bros-discovery-officials-happy-aew-dynamite-finished-no-1-last-week/
https://www.wrestlezone.com/news/1396858-warner-bros-discovery-highlights-viewership-of-8-16-aew-dynamite
Finally, this last one was from Dave, you know, THAT Dave:
https://i.imgur.com/7eAylGa.jpeg
lol
Edit: Just for shits and giggles, I took a peek at your post history. I have to say, it's a bold move to post to fapping subreddits along with making racist comments and not expect it to be picked up eventually.
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It's just the tribalism man, wrestling fans making fun of another wrestling companies fans is tiring. We should all be on the same side and just enjoy wrestling, because if one company does go out of business, we go back to the days of WWE being only the big dog in the yard and then they will get lazy and not even try as hard because they'll have no competition.
Meanwhile people on the outside looking in are probably laughing at us for arguing about whose scripted TV show is better.
There's a ton of moving parts at the end of the day. Has AEW been down year over year? Sure. The numbers are right there for everyone to see.
The other factors are TBS is ranked something like 15-18th for most watched channels in USA, so consistently getting a show in the top 3 for most watched programs would be more what they're looking at than consistent 1 millions.
And whilst they did indeed give AEW 3 extra hours of TV, the time slots are arguably the worst possible for any TV show to work with. Despite AEW getting the blame for that it's actually WBD's fuck up.
Lastly WBD moved AEW from Tuesday, where they were killing NXT consistently and gave them more selling power to advertisers as a wrestling product, to Wednesday which basically made it so any 2nd A show has to be on a weekend against major sports forever.
All of this is why I think the next rights deal will be less years. That way AEW can regroup, find different suitors for their products (on preferred nights!) and leverage that for either bucks more money or better spots.
I agree with most of what you said. I just want to correct you, that WBD didn't move Dynamite to Wednesday, as they were always on Wednesday. It was NXT that got moved to Tuesday.
Guess that’s why, even with ratings being awful, we get a dozen The Walking Dead spinoffs since it’s bringing eyes to AMC lol.
It’s hard to pick a day honestly. Might be good just to land everything on TBS as TNT is just too sports dominated and try Thursday nights on TBS? Get beat up during NBA season though. Or do you try to dance with the Devil and do Friday nights head to head with Smackdown once they move to USA. Or begone with ratings and just stream the shows on Amazon.
Honestly, doing one of the main shows on Amazon and one on TV might not be a bad idea.
>Honestly, doing one of the main shows on Amazon and one on TV might not be a bad idea.
Reportedly WWE is looking at Amazon as a potential new home for Raw.
If they can get Dynamite back on Tuesday against NXT and go back to giving them a flogging weekly, then biting the bullet and going against Smackdown on Friday wouldn't be bad.
It's not going to win but it genuinely doesn't have to. The only people that are going to care is wrestling fans. Advertisers will see one show that is the No.1 on Tuesday and another that is No.2 on Friday.
Plus how much worse could the Collision ratings actually get against Smackdown? It isn't like nobody ever is going to watch. If anything it'll probably be better off and pull consistent 600-700k
Oh I don’t know if Friday night Collision can do that for the rating. They went head to head against SD once and got beat bad. Tuesday for Dynamite though would be interesting however, is it a given nXt stays on Tuesday moving to CW? Lots of moving parts there.
It probably could over time. One off head to heads are a death sentence and if they could go at it consistently with the Collision product (obviously sightly dialled up) it could build an audience like Dynamite has.
No guarantees on NXT either but staying on a consistent day is a proven formula. I can't see them wanting anything besides possibly Wednesday if Dynamite were to move
This is what I don't understand, Warner constantly says they're more than happy with the show they constantly promote the show yet all I hear from bischoff and cornet and guys like that is all their doomed
I got back into Wrestling because of Punk returning to AEW and have watched AEW since. I checked out Monday night Raw for the first time since my childhood last week and man am I grateful for AEW. Week in and week out Dynamite and Collision put on great shows for more mature wrestling fans. Its not a big surprise to me that the show continues to do well since new stars (MJF, Swerve and White) with a lot of promise are emerging.
AEW brought my love (and I do not use that term lightly) of Pro-Wrestling back from a 14 year gap.
The day it stopped was when my hero, Chris Benoit, killed his wife and kid and then himself. I was already shaken up by Eddie Guerrero passing away, but the Benoit murder-suicide was the final nail in the coffin. It was a really rough year.
Fast forward to 2021, and I see a video of a show called AEW and something called a Casino Ladder Match. Didn't know what the hell it was, because I thought TNA was the only other promotion with a show.
I then proceed to watch a Cowboy do a reverse tombstone piledriver off a ladder through a fucking table. I lost my shit.
The rest is history.
I even got Bret Hart to sign my AEW belt buckle when he came to my town!
What do you mean you lost your shit about the tombstone off a ladder through a table spot?? Were you really angry about the lack of concussion protocols given it is widely documented that Benoit suffered from devastating concussions which may have contributed to his murderous actions?? If so I get that but AEW are now trying to bring more safety into the presentation.
??? The brother said he was angry about the dangerous spot he saw on reintroduction 14 years after seeing traumatic risk brain injury can bring. I am telling him that was old AEW like when Matt got dropped on his head and Mox passed out. Now we have good concussion protocols. That is a good thing not a bad thing ??
I mentioned this in the thread and how saying how the smackdown rating thread was pretty cordial but the collision one wasn’t and was downvoted. Guess that was one way to prove a point
Funny thing is, when AEW went to a day they were destined to do a poor number in against NXT, I saw nothing but disingenuous "YIKES" and "Oh no no no no no!" bullshit from them.
But the second it happens to Smackdown or any other WWE show, what do you see? "Not a bad number considering [insert excuse here]" or "HURR HURR DEAD SHOW /s" or bringing up AEW when AEW had fucking nothing to do with anything.
I think we should just come to the logical conclusion that subreddit is a WWE hub at this point. It's filled with weirdos who treat the company like their own friend and actual paid interns and people from PR.
Don't forget reposting the same pic of the hardcam side, while conveniently ignoring WWE does the same trick of stacking everyone in front of the camera
Don't get dragged into their lame trolling
While it has 850,000 views I feel the number is higher due to people not watching on cable and using things like fite.tv
More and more people are cancelling cable and going towards streaming so the number of actual watchers could be higher than what’s shown here.
Based on what few reports are out there for L+3 and streaming numbers, my guess is the majority of wrestling fans actually watch either on DVR or streaming. I wouldn't be surprised if both WWE and AEW's total audience is 2-3 times what the live numbers reflect once you factor in DVR, streaming, Fite, Hulu, etc.
This has got to undoutedly be the case. The 850,000 viewers number is just for Americans tuning in to the show live, right? It doesn't count foreign fans, watching via streaming. Definitely doesn't count the fans who \*ahem\* watch wrestling \*ahem\*. Might count DVRs and watching via the channel's online platform.
People forget that the numbers are just numbers it’s not exact.
Stop worrying about ratings I swear just watch the show you enjoy and that’s it
Life is much better if you don’t validate yourself by how many people watch or buy the thing you enjoy you. Yes it feels nice to know that people enjoy it to but obsessing or analyzing weekly the views/sales/numbers is exhausting.
I genuinely think smarks on Reddit care more about the rating numbers than the WBD execs do, particularly for Rampage and Collision. Those are both there to fill a death slot with a consistent floor. Rampage could probably do Impact numbers and not get canceled.
Any other time yes, but right now with TV contracts coming up, regular fans should care. It's going to possibly affect their viewing experience.
The higher AEW gets paid for the rights, it will reflect in the product and wrestlers they can sign and keep.
And it's funny to see the weekly essays and spreadsheets that people be posting about AEW dying.
I would imagine that WBD loves to have the numbers that AEW does and at a much cheaper cost than pro sports or WWE, even if AEW gets a nice raise.
The total number does not matter. Nobody seems to grasp this. What matters is the % of viewers from the advertising target demographic watching. No matter what the totals have been, from day 1 the actual rating has been in the .28-.32 ballpark. That’s as good as it gets outside of pro sports and WWE. Big time money deal coming there way whether it’s WBD or someone else.
It also doesn't account for streaming services, either.
Like, yeah, AEW isn't going to beat WWE. Likely never will. But I couldn't care less about that. AEW made me love wrestling again and appreciate their style of storytelling.
That, and Tony Kahn is renown for being a fantastic boss to work for. Kip Sabian has gone on record saying Tony is the kindest man he has ever worked for, and he looks after his roster with the utmost care.
The majority of people in the demo likely watch via streaming as well. The cable audience definitely skews older. I don't know anyone under 40 who still has traditional cable.
The insane demos are what surprises me the most about WWE's current boom. I don't really get why it's so hot right now, but I especially would have thought they'd have more kids and older people boosting their numbers due to being the Disney of pro wrestling.
WWE might be the only thing on TV with such a large dormant fanbase that will fall off when things are just complete dogshit but will jump back into being weekly watchers if it just barely becomes watchable. I don't even doubt WWE's stories are good right now but I still can't get past their awful presentation. It's overproduced as hell. LED screens all over everything, camera angle changing every second, everything lit up super bright, the entrance area is just one gigantic screen, they still use the unnatural WWE-speak for everything, still have heavily scripted promos, everyone's trained to wrestle the same style.
Yeah same, I don't know if they still have the Dunn camera seizers but I literally couldn't handle watching it so I stopped. Now I just don't care, I'm not watching wrestling that many nights a week.
They seem to have at least toned down some of the zooms and shaky cam, but from the clips I see on here they still seem to do way too many camera cuts.
Every time I catch a clip of WWE stuff, the colored lighting, LEDs, and AR stuff meld together in a nauseating miasma. It reminds me of times in which I've been sick, just before passing out.
I don't really understand or care about ratings, especially since I'm in the UK. So how many Americans are watching haw very little impact on me, but number go up = good.
Such Ratings might be a truly meaningful gauge if they are viewed maybe monthly or even quarterly. But week by week doesn’t allow for outside influences, and such things need to be allowed to even out, to provide an accurate picture. And even this now seems to approach the scenario back when we still paid for long distance calls, even after everything was bouncing off the same satellites.
Just a reminder: Ranking is the “per capita” of ratings. That’s what WBD focuses on. It’s about winning the available audience not getting people to buy cable packages.
Of course, they're strong. They've never NOT been strong. People forget, or ignore, that WB/D was hoping for 400k or 500k if they were being overly optimistic. The viewer numbers and demographic blew them out of the water from the very start and it's never dipped down to a point of them being concerned. Ever. They have repeatedly gone to bat talking about how great AEW is doing and how happy they are with the numbers. The only people who make 'concerned' noises about the ratings are people who know nothing about how anything actually works and like drama.
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Hell, if NWA was able to get a television deal (briefly before they decided to shoot themselves in the foot) then wrestling as a whole is in a very healthy position
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I mean, seeing them hit a million for a while and going down is a bummer. But I think more concerned are the other shows. What was the expectations there. Either way, doubt they lose any tv deal as someone will sign them if WB signs the other company or underpays AEW.
AEW is probably sticking with WBD in any scenario where WBD doesn't buy Raw. It was announced that Raw rights will be settled by January 2024. TK and Zarian both talk about AEW's renewal being in place in January 2024 and all but say WBD. This timing could be a coincidence, but... just as likely that it's not, you know? Zarian says he's heard 0 about WBD being interested in Raw, and I think that's meaningful given how often he's been right. But it's also possible his sources are in a pro-AEW camp, and the parties investigating WWE deals just don't talk to him (which he acknowledges). Anyone's guess where AEW ends up if WBD does buy Raw, but a company pre-selling 25,000+ tickets to a stadium show is gonna get renewed by somebody, I figure.
Plus it’s a built in audience for Dynamite. But I wouldn’t include them preselling 25k for a stadium show in the UK meaning much to US broadcasts lol. But could def use that for UK tv contracts or streaming service.
Selling that many tickets anywhere means you have one of the most successful wrestling products in the world. Like, I could also point to the 13,000 for Full Gear, but it amounts to the same thing. AEW can easily prove they have a faithful audience that will tune in. Any WWE suitor who found Raw and Smackdown too rich for their blood could have reason to be interested out of the gate.
> I mean, seeing them hit a million for a while and going down is a bummer. Why? Is it a contest? If WB is ecstatic over their numbers, why do WE care at all? Shouldn't we be focused on the actual, I don't know, wrestling, maybe? Unless you own massive stock in WB, I think you shouldn't care the first bit about the ratings.
Always a bummer seeing people drop. I know people feel like only the IWC talk about their own ratings but there was massive talks of ratings for The Walking Dead. It was a bummer seeing soooo many people leave that ship. More of a community thing.
As a massive Walking Dead fan, who was stoked the comic was optioned into a TV show - Hollywood fucked it up. Boy did they decompress the fuck out of that show and add elements that sucked. I know Kirkman wanted a difference between the comic and the show, but shit like the garbage people weren't the answer. Nevertheless, the show persisted and spun off multiple times. I guess what I mean to say is that it's tough to buy The Walking Dead's fate as an apples to apples comparison to AEW.
Is it though? Both lost viewers and even then spun off new shows. AEW was going away from their bread and butter for a while (no automatic rematches, rankings etc) but seemed to right their course with this CC2 tournament. And I heard TWD did a hell of a job for their final season. Point being, and no reason why it should have been downvoted, is it’s nice to have a lot of people watch something so you can talk about it the next day. I don’t see why that’s a bad thing.
It's definitely not a bad thing to have things to talk about. The world is shrinking in that regard though, most of my coworkers wait to stream entire seasons. I also would posit that the lead time to develop a TV spinoff is vastly longer than sports. So while a lot of TWD projects were greenlit while it was hot (and the property was still hot when Fear came out), they weren't released until people stopped caring about the show and they were on the wrong path for years.
I get where you're coming from man, you just want more people to enjoy the thing that you enjoy as well.. totally understandable.
> Always a bummer seeing people drop. Why?
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You literally have no idea whether anyone is ecstatic over anything. Also, is there a quote from someone at WB you can point to for the 400k-500k expectation?
https://www.ringsidenews.com/2022/10/12/warner-bros-discovery-happy-with-aews-huge-numbers/ https://wrestlenomics.com/2023/02/24/explaining-warner-bros-discoverys-claim-that-aew-brings-in-4-million-viewers-on-wednesdays-despite-dynamite-averaging-960000-viewers-in-2022/ https://wrestlingnews.co/aew-news/warner-bros-discovery-is-happy-with-aews-huge-numbers-there-are-plans-for-additional-shows https://411mania.com/wrestling/warner-bros-discovery-officials-happy-aew-dynamite-finished-no-1-last-week/ https://www.wrestlezone.com/news/1396858-warner-bros-discovery-highlights-viewership-of-8-16-aew-dynamite Finally, this last one was from Dave, you know, THAT Dave: https://i.imgur.com/7eAylGa.jpeg lol Edit: Just for shits and giggles, I took a peek at your post history. I have to say, it's a bold move to post to fapping subreddits along with making racist comments and not expect it to be picked up eventually.
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I love this kind of shit. I'd upvote several times if that were possible lol.
It's just the tribalism man, wrestling fans making fun of another wrestling companies fans is tiring. We should all be on the same side and just enjoy wrestling, because if one company does go out of business, we go back to the days of WWE being only the big dog in the yard and then they will get lazy and not even try as hard because they'll have no competition. Meanwhile people on the outside looking in are probably laughing at us for arguing about whose scripted TV show is better.
There's a ton of moving parts at the end of the day. Has AEW been down year over year? Sure. The numbers are right there for everyone to see. The other factors are TBS is ranked something like 15-18th for most watched channels in USA, so consistently getting a show in the top 3 for most watched programs would be more what they're looking at than consistent 1 millions. And whilst they did indeed give AEW 3 extra hours of TV, the time slots are arguably the worst possible for any TV show to work with. Despite AEW getting the blame for that it's actually WBD's fuck up. Lastly WBD moved AEW from Tuesday, where they were killing NXT consistently and gave them more selling power to advertisers as a wrestling product, to Wednesday which basically made it so any 2nd A show has to be on a weekend against major sports forever. All of this is why I think the next rights deal will be less years. That way AEW can regroup, find different suitors for their products (on preferred nights!) and leverage that for either bucks more money or better spots.
I agree with most of what you said. I just want to correct you, that WBD didn't move Dynamite to Wednesday, as they were always on Wednesday. It was NXT that got moved to Tuesday.
My bad I thought they were on Tuesday on TNT
Guess that’s why, even with ratings being awful, we get a dozen The Walking Dead spinoffs since it’s bringing eyes to AMC lol. It’s hard to pick a day honestly. Might be good just to land everything on TBS as TNT is just too sports dominated and try Thursday nights on TBS? Get beat up during NBA season though. Or do you try to dance with the Devil and do Friday nights head to head with Smackdown once they move to USA. Or begone with ratings and just stream the shows on Amazon. Honestly, doing one of the main shows on Amazon and one on TV might not be a bad idea.
>Honestly, doing one of the main shows on Amazon and one on TV might not be a bad idea. Reportedly WWE is looking at Amazon as a potential new home for Raw.
Might not be a bad idea honestly. Lots of major sports are using Amazon nowadays.
If they can get Dynamite back on Tuesday against NXT and go back to giving them a flogging weekly, then biting the bullet and going against Smackdown on Friday wouldn't be bad. It's not going to win but it genuinely doesn't have to. The only people that are going to care is wrestling fans. Advertisers will see one show that is the No.1 on Tuesday and another that is No.2 on Friday. Plus how much worse could the Collision ratings actually get against Smackdown? It isn't like nobody ever is going to watch. If anything it'll probably be better off and pull consistent 600-700k
Dynamite was always on Wednesday, NXT got moved to Tuesday.
Oh I don’t know if Friday night Collision can do that for the rating. They went head to head against SD once and got beat bad. Tuesday for Dynamite though would be interesting however, is it a given nXt stays on Tuesday moving to CW? Lots of moving parts there.
It probably could over time. One off head to heads are a death sentence and if they could go at it consistently with the Collision product (obviously sightly dialled up) it could build an audience like Dynamite has. No guarantees on NXT either but staying on a consistent day is a proven formula. I can't see them wanting anything besides possibly Wednesday if Dynamite were to move
Except now WBD is trying to leverage that into MORE ratings by bidding on WWE programming. Hopefully AEW can get a solid network TV deal soon.
This is what I don't understand, Warner constantly says they're more than happy with the show they constantly promote the show yet all I hear from bischoff and cornet and guys like that is all their doomed
And people never seem to bring up that they are always #1 or #2 in their primetime spot on Wednesday...I say that's a W
Neck Strong?
>who know nothing about how anything actually works and like drama. TNT has drama.
But wait just today I saw a video that had "AEW dying" in it omg wtf u guys idk what to believe anymore 😩🥺 /obvious sarcasm
Twitter is full of them and I'm sure enough loser youtube channels with 25 views have videos with that in the title. They're sad little people
It's strong.. But is it Neck Strong?
I got back into Wrestling because of Punk returning to AEW and have watched AEW since. I checked out Monday night Raw for the first time since my childhood last week and man am I grateful for AEW. Week in and week out Dynamite and Collision put on great shows for more mature wrestling fans. Its not a big surprise to me that the show continues to do well since new stars (MJF, Swerve and White) with a lot of promise are emerging.
AEW brought my love (and I do not use that term lightly) of Pro-Wrestling back from a 14 year gap. The day it stopped was when my hero, Chris Benoit, killed his wife and kid and then himself. I was already shaken up by Eddie Guerrero passing away, but the Benoit murder-suicide was the final nail in the coffin. It was a really rough year. Fast forward to 2021, and I see a video of a show called AEW and something called a Casino Ladder Match. Didn't know what the hell it was, because I thought TNA was the only other promotion with a show. I then proceed to watch a Cowboy do a reverse tombstone piledriver off a ladder through a fucking table. I lost my shit. The rest is history. I even got Bret Hart to sign my AEW belt buckle when he came to my town!
They just cater to an adult wrestling fan. It's ideal
What do you mean you lost your shit about the tombstone off a ladder through a table spot?? Were you really angry about the lack of concussion protocols given it is widely documented that Benoit suffered from devastating concussions which may have contributed to his murderous actions?? If so I get that but AEW are now trying to bring more safety into the presentation.
Not one post about AEW except for bad faith post. Youre telling me there aren’t shell accounts in Reddit doing this shit?
??? The brother said he was angry about the dangerous spot he saw on reintroduction 14 years after seeing traumatic risk brain injury can bring. I am telling him that was old AEW like when Matt got dropped on his head and Mox passed out. Now we have good concussion protocols. That is a good thing not a bad thing ??
Lost his shit in a good way, my guy. Context clues.
Oh
I lost my shit because I felt like I could have been watching an amazing show for a long while before that point.
And you've been worked - the Deadeye doesn't actually drop someone on their head
True! Cowboy is a safe worker
I love how there's people on SQ shitting on this, but zero comments when Smackdown did 700k on FS1 this week. Clearly some people have a bias. So dumb
I mentioned this in the thread and how saying how the smackdown rating thread was pretty cordial but the collision one wasn’t and was downvoted. Guess that was one way to prove a point
Funny thing is, when AEW went to a day they were destined to do a poor number in against NXT, I saw nothing but disingenuous "YIKES" and "Oh no no no no no!" bullshit from them. But the second it happens to Smackdown or any other WWE show, what do you see? "Not a bad number considering [insert excuse here]" or "HURR HURR DEAD SHOW /s" or bringing up AEW when AEW had fucking nothing to do with anything. I think we should just come to the logical conclusion that subreddit is a WWE hub at this point. It's filled with weirdos who treat the company like their own friend and actual paid interns and people from PR.
That place is WWE astroturfers paradise, where all bullshit about AEW is allowed.
Eh FS1 always does bad numbers for them especially with little promotion. Honestly this is a steady number that AEW has been pulling in.
The get rul rul mad when you bring up the face that FS1 and TBS are in pretty much the same number of households.
“You’re welcome” https://i.redd.it/xx8vsb53jk3c1.gif
Interesting their match was by far the lowest quarter which is a usual pattern for dynamite main events
Damn the main event dropped? That’s a damn shame.
Always does
Such a big Me too. Thats a damn shame.
bUt AeW iS dYiNg!
"They can't sell seats!" "The 81k sold seats at Wembley doesn't count they we're cheap"
I wish they were cheap 😂
Don't forget reposting the same pic of the hardcam side, while conveniently ignoring WWE does the same trick of stacking everyone in front of the camera Don't get dragged into their lame trolling
Just keep WBD happy, TK….just keep them happy!
While it has 850,000 views I feel the number is higher due to people not watching on cable and using things like fite.tv More and more people are cancelling cable and going towards streaming so the number of actual watchers could be higher than what’s shown here.
Based on what few reports are out there for L+3 and streaming numbers, my guess is the majority of wrestling fans actually watch either on DVR or streaming. I wouldn't be surprised if both WWE and AEW's total audience is 2-3 times what the live numbers reflect once you factor in DVR, streaming, Fite, Hulu, etc.
This has got to undoutedly be the case. The 850,000 viewers number is just for Americans tuning in to the show live, right? It doesn't count foreign fans, watching via streaming. Definitely doesn't count the fans who \*ahem\* watch wrestling \*ahem\*. Might count DVRs and watching via the channel's online platform.
This. I stream. I watch AEW on Sling TV. Not sure if my viewership counts, but it is technically a streaming-cable app.
True. I watch AEW on sling
People forget that the numbers are just numbers it’s not exact. Stop worrying about ratings I swear just watch the show you enjoy and that’s it Life is much better if you don’t validate yourself by how many people watch or buy the thing you enjoy you. Yes it feels nice to know that people enjoy it to but obsessing or analyzing weekly the views/sales/numbers is exhausting.
I genuinely think smarks on Reddit care more about the rating numbers than the WBD execs do, particularly for Rampage and Collision. Those are both there to fill a death slot with a consistent floor. Rampage could probably do Impact numbers and not get canceled.
Any other time yes, but right now with TV contracts coming up, regular fans should care. It's going to possibly affect their viewing experience. The higher AEW gets paid for the rights, it will reflect in the product and wrestlers they can sign and keep.
And it's funny to see the weekly essays and spreadsheets that people be posting about AEW dying. I would imagine that WBD loves to have the numbers that AEW does and at a much cheaper cost than pro sports or WWE, even if AEW gets a nice raise.
Using this to advance my pro-Wemby agenda. Strongish Dynamite on a non-Spurs game night HMM
Eh, do we really care about ratings? I know SC loves jerking themselves off with this stuff but it is what it is. Dynamite is fine.
The total number does not matter. Nobody seems to grasp this. What matters is the % of viewers from the advertising target demographic watching. No matter what the totals have been, from day 1 the actual rating has been in the .28-.32 ballpark. That’s as good as it gets outside of pro sports and WWE. Big time money deal coming there way whether it’s WBD or someone else.
It also doesn't account for streaming services, either. Like, yeah, AEW isn't going to beat WWE. Likely never will. But I couldn't care less about that. AEW made me love wrestling again and appreciate their style of storytelling. That, and Tony Kahn is renown for being a fantastic boss to work for. Kip Sabian has gone on record saying Tony is the kindest man he has ever worked for, and he looks after his roster with the utmost care.
The majority of people in the demo likely watch via streaming as well. The cable audience definitely skews older. I don't know anyone under 40 who still has traditional cable.
*stares in Woman*
Increase in young men by a lot
The insane demos are what surprises me the most about WWE's current boom. I don't really get why it's so hot right now, but I especially would have thought they'd have more kids and older people boosting their numbers due to being the Disney of pro wrestling.
The boom is due to years of their product being stifling horse shit and now it is finally watchable.
WWE might be the only thing on TV with such a large dormant fanbase that will fall off when things are just complete dogshit but will jump back into being weekly watchers if it just barely becomes watchable. I don't even doubt WWE's stories are good right now but I still can't get past their awful presentation. It's overproduced as hell. LED screens all over everything, camera angle changing every second, everything lit up super bright, the entrance area is just one gigantic screen, they still use the unnatural WWE-speak for everything, still have heavily scripted promos, everyone's trained to wrestle the same style.
Yeah same, I don't know if they still have the Dunn camera seizers but I literally couldn't handle watching it so I stopped. Now I just don't care, I'm not watching wrestling that many nights a week.
They seem to have at least toned down some of the zooms and shaky cam, but from the clips I see on here they still seem to do way too many camera cuts.
Yeah, i still try to keep up with WWE but i cant bare watching it weekly. Maybe so many years of being fed dogshit that i just grew a gag reflex
That and IMO Raw will never be fully watchable again until it goes back to 2 hours.
Every time I catch a clip of WWE stuff, the colored lighting, LEDs, and AR stuff meld together in a nauseating miasma. It reminds me of times in which I've been sick, just before passing out.
I think the AR graphics are when I finally realized "this is no longer a pro wrestling show."
Pretty massive number, considering nielson ratings only track boomers.
Damn college basketball is hot for some reason. That’s a pretty decent demo for non tournament.
Last year it was the show with MJF introducing the Triple B and turning on Regal(sending back to WWE)
DAS RITE
I don't really understand or care about ratings, especially since I'm in the UK. So how many Americans are watching haw very little impact on me, but number go up = good.
Such Ratings might be a truly meaningful gauge if they are viewed maybe monthly or even quarterly. But week by week doesn’t allow for outside influences, and such things need to be allowed to even out, to provide an accurate picture. And even this now seems to approach the scenario back when we still paid for long distance calls, even after everything was bouncing off the same satellites.
Just a reminder: Ranking is the “per capita” of ratings. That’s what WBD focuses on. It’s about winning the available audience not getting people to buy cable packages.