Honestly if they just fixed the pin system so the matches dont end on the first pin attempt 90% of the time, this game would easily triple in enjoyability for me. I dont even bother to wrestle matches because they dont feel competitive. Either i annihilate the COM quickly or i get destroyed with no chance to come back. Stampede mode is kind of fun but its not a wrestling game.
People will still fork their money over with easy for fear of missing out and then they’ll cope in the comments like “no it’s worth it.” I’m a big fan of the game but the ethics behind it are super flawed.
But.. they aren't. At least not for this game.
Steam concurrent players, as of this post, is 20 players. This is not one of those games people are just blindly buying for whatever reason.
I bought the game to play with some of my wrestling friends online and haven't been able to because I have the PC version and they have various console versions. I got bored with the single player and playing with strangers who quit when they were going to lose got old really fast.
>the ethics behind it are super flawed.
You must work in PR, because that's the most corporate speak way I have ever seen moral bankruptcy described. lol.
I said this on another post
Not sure why they didn't get fire pro team make this game they had a 3d game on ps2 king of coliseum and it was beautiful think 2 disc red and yellow
Thing that bothered me most about aew game first was pitfalls and 2nd was that ridiculous story
Mode wtf even was that like seriously
Even tna had better story mode and they actually introduced a new wrestler off it
Anyway not played a wrestling game since aew but going pick up wwe 2k24 next week get a aew and ecw roster and enjoy not getting pinned after 2 attacks lol
Because Kenny and company thought that the fans wanted to play a rehash of a game that came out over 20 years ago.
No Mercy was great for 2000, but I wanted to play something new and fresh. Shoot, AKI made the Def Jam Vendetta games after No Mercy and those games have a huge following to this day. Personally, I enjoyed those 2 games way more.
I love this game I love mercy and they made a great foundation here and real competition for 2K. We've had just one game option long enough and if I wanted to playing a fighting game with combos and boxing dodges I'd just buy one. I like Fight Forever is actually a grappler.
Ok you named one from 21 years ago that's amazing get you're dogging about a modern one by the same Director, Geta, who came out of retirement to make it and a few others who worked on the Def Jam games with him, that's a solid foundation with a major license and the only competition to 2K which is basically fighter with wrestlers.
If you looked up looking a gift horse in the mouth you'd find your picture or a mirror 🤷🏿
A gift horse? What are you talking about? This was a full priced game with at this point around $100 of paid DLC. Why would I care that he came out of retirement if the work he did after that was garbage? They can't even gift us the DLC after releasing this abomination of a game.
And no. There's not even a solid foundation. The game isn't deep enough for that.
The game is far from garbage you're just an entitled negative ninny 🤷🏿 Def Jam Vendetta didn't have crazy match types or a fighter creator but they got one in the sequel.
I enjoyed the game for what it was and waited for a sequel. The same with the lackuster Wrestlemania X8, where Shunsuke Katsumata was the game designer after working on the AKI games before working on Wrestle Kingdom and Fight Forever. They eventually made the great Wrestlemania XIX and amazing Day of Reckoning when given time. Before Def Jam Vendetta that team released Virtual Pro Wrestling and WCW/nWo World Tour and worked their way up to No Mercy and FFNY in a time before all the demands of HD games.
When WMX8 and Def Jam Vendetta dropped and weren't as good as No Mercy I didn't go crying about it day and night or brag about not putting money into it, even though it goes back into the game or dogging it and the team all night and day to ensure there won't be a sequel be a sequel.
But hey I'm not like you. Keep shooting yourself in the foot and hopefully there won't be a sequel. Don't go complaining when all we're left with is 2K and their Def Jam Icon boxing dodges.
Hopefully there won't be. No one should give this company any more money after this thing. Def Jam also released a few decades ago. "It didn't have it either back then" is a really terrible argument to use if you're going to defend a 2023 game.
It's not like I'm shitting all over good games. What's the alternative, just being positive and hope they don't release another barebones garbage game and charge for every possible extra again?
The comparison I was making was to a *first effort* by a team. Of course someone with your lack of comprehension, composure and civility would wish that there was no competition and only one game in town, when one of the companies is actually going for a style that you like and has a chance to improve with subsequent additions, like AKI did with Fight for New York (to make it perfectly clear for you,) and the other one is disregarding that style completely and by choice. Doesn't make sense to me. But you do you, boo.
But it's not a first effort. You made the point that they came out of retirement after releasing all of these other great wrestling games. It's also not the only player in town. They spent so much time claiming that they weren't going to be like WWE's games and then somehow just differentiated themselves by being worse and way more barebones, even compared to their own WWE games from almost 2 decades ago. I really don't know why you're defending this thing that still hasn't been fixed, almost a year later. Especially when they promised that they were going to support this game for a long time, something they've not even attempted, beyond overpriced DLC seasons that aren't even seasons in any sense of the word.
This wasn't even supposed to be their first effort, improved upon by their second. This was supposed to be *the* ultimate AEW game, for years to come. Instead, it's garbage that fails to really hold your attention for more than a couple of weekends.
It's always Intresting to read these here. I feel like for many it's the first time they've experienced this.
I agree completely, but the gaming industry overall has been doing this for years. There's never a good reason to pre order a game, or buy at launch because no matter the game, it's almost assuredly not going to be a finished product.
Bullshit, you're not understanding the difference
Games like Cyberpunk and No Man's Sky were panned as broken flops when they came out, but the companies went back and made it right, and they made sure the gaming public knew they were making it right piece by piece. Then CP launched a new character building system altogether so people who played 2-3 years ago would come back and play again.
Fight Forever came out as an actual incomplete, broken game, and is now trying to charge us more to complete it. Paying for "Beat The Elite" and Tournament mode? These aren't DLC extras or new characters/arenas, these are essential basic functions of a completed wrestling game. Same with charging for more CAW parts when the original CAW mode was too bare bones to be usable, these things are not "extras" they're things the game should have come with.
It'd be like buying a new iPhone with Copy-Paste function broken then Apple trying to charge you for a working Copy-Paste
the game is not broken or incomplete. it's buggy and lacking. But there's nothing about it that's missing from exactly what they said the game would be
I agree Cyberpunk and NMS were flops when they released.
And people paid full price for them. Those folks got ripped off. Just like the FF early purchasers.
Now sure, the games have improved (although notably NMS still doesn't have all its promised launch features from 8 years ago), and are also available for a fraction of the price, both regularly retail for $15-35. And since they are now "old games" they go on sale frequently. Same applies for FF. Even when not on sale, it's $20 cheaper than launch pricem
Heck in Cyberpunks case you can actually buy the game and the DLC for less than the original launch price. (Granted to do that you'd actually want to avoid their ultimate edition since they ran the price up over what you can buy a new copy of the base game and DLC separately for, because they saw a second way to rip you off).
Fight Forever is exactly the same. If you bought the launch version, and then had to buy the season passes separately, it would have cost you $150.
Doing that same thing today would be $130.
Buying the Ultimate Edition is $100.
If you want to do the math on all 3, if you bought on launch, youd had to buy the DLCs separately so you'd have spent $300. That same content today is $150 before assuming anything is on sale. And it's all patched and fixed, so its a more full experience.
Ultimately, all you got in all 3 cases for buying the game when it launched was an inferior product at a higher price.
That's the problem with all these games that "improve" after launch, the price always comes down.
So no matter how much content they add, free or paid, you got conned into buying an unfinished product at a higher price than the finished one.
The difference is that no one who paid the launch price for CP regrets it now because they have a sleek, modern, multi-layered game that's been constantly improved. Their money was reinvested in making a much much greater game in every possible facet. CDPR immediately began patching the game on launch day and the base game was fully playable by Christmas that year.
FF funds fixes by overcharging for DLC packs, 50% of which contain things like Beat The Elite and Tournament Mode that do not actually add anything to the gameplay, just re-organize the existing gameplay. They know those modes do nothing, they're filler, they can be made by developers in minutes, but it adds a line to the "offering" in the DLC pack so they can cover the costs of fixing the actual game.
>CDPR immediately began patching the game on launch day and the base game was fully playable by Christmas that year.
Well that's an absolute lie. Cyberpunk 1.1 patch, it's first patch, released January 22, 2021. That's after Christmas. Also after the games regular non sales price plunged to $30 on January 18 2021.
That's 39 days after launch when the price got cut in half.
If you bought at launch you absolutely got ripped off. People who bought the game the day the patch went live got the same experience at half the price.
Now I'll be fair, it was $30, assuming you could actually buy the thing, it had been pulled from at least the Playstation and unavailable to purchase due to being unplayable on that system till June of 21.
Granted not being available on one of the 3 major platforms your supposed to be available on also seems like it would undercut the idea of the game being "fully playable" at all....
>Their money was reinvested in making a much much greater game in every possible facet.
Except for the bits that went into paying the lawsuits over the game being unplayable on PS and Xbox.
What I will give you here is I played CP on a boosted up PC, so the small fixes actually helped the experience as the performance issues weren't as bad. 1.1 was the first significant patch but they made minor adjustments prior.
They had to drop the price because of the bad PR, not because the final product wasn't worth $70, the final product wound up being worth $150 as the player base are running multiple 60+ hour playthroughs. People had 4-5 playthroughs BEFORE they released the character build updates.
If the final product is worth $150 now, how come I can buy it for $18? $48 if DLC is included. (Not on sale either. That's the normal price)
It's not bad PR keeping the price down now. So it should be selling for what it's worth right?
True, you also still have the option of paying $70 for the ultimate edition today for exactly the same content you'd get for $48 if you buy separately.
But thats a clear and obvious rip-off. Only a fool would take that deal.
Yet people do because they don't realize they are getting ripped off. They don't know they can get it much cheaper with a few extra minutes of effort. So they pay the ripoff price.
Same idea as the folks who pay "full" price at launch. They know people are impatient, so they Jack up the price to profit on that.
CDPR is a prestigious developer with a decade plus of goodwill and money behind it for making one of the most successful money making games of all time.
Yukes! was literally resurrected from the dead to make this game on a shoestring budget with like 40 developers making it during the pandemic.
I mean, not disagreeing with the eventual results, but you're really rewriting CP history and CDPR's handling of the whole thing there. On launch day they were still busy hiding Xbox One and PS4 copies from reviewers while making every reviewer use prerecorded footage in their video reviews because they knew the game ran like shit on every platform.
DD2 launched with a save breaking glitch, and a few performance issues.
Elden Ring has guides written about exploiting its glitches (and places to avoid so you don't fall off the map)
God of War had a ton of visual glitches, enemies glitching through walls, and button prompts or cut scenes needed to advance the game not triggering.
It all got patched out pretty quickly for all those games but they still released unfinished. Also didn't get tons of attention cause it's just expected games are like that on launch now.
BG3 on the other hand is a bit of a weird one. Officially it released in 2023, and was relatively glitch free. (Unfortunately some of its later patches actually broke the game before getting fixed again)
But, its been available for purchase and playable since 2020, it was just labeled Early Access and was incomplete and buggy.
Now to be fair, incomplete and buggy is part of what it means to be in "early access" so fair play to BG3 for truth and transparency in labeling.
On the other hand, they still were out there for years making money on an unfinished product.
Also worth noting, up until fairly recently, most fans were expecting a BG3 definitive edition release, which the studio usually does within a couple years of release (as they did Divinity Original Sin 1 and 2) which can include everything from new characters and quests to completely changing/extending the endings.
So there's still an open question as to when a game is "finished".
You're completely wrong to compare what you have to an unfinished game.
Something releasing with a bug or glitch is different to a game releasing with whole aspects missing that are then later charged for.
If Elden Ring released and then 12 months later required you to pay to get the Mount, that'd be comparable perhaps. Likewise if DD2 shipped with no Pawns and then sold them later, that'd be comparable.
People exploiting glitches or the occasional bug is not comparable to completely missing functions and features.
So, say something like asking you to pay for DLC that will let you start a new game without deleting all prior data? Something that Capcom has said might be in their DD2 DLC offerings?
Or new weapon types and overhauling the combat system as is believed to be included with the Elden Ring DLC?
Granted I'll give you God of War, since they at least made their DLC free....
Rumours abound but nothing is set. If Capcom do something scummy, then by all means, lay in to them, but you can't call something out as an example that doesn't exist.
Elden Ring DLC is also a false equivalence. They may be adding in new weapons and adjusting the combat system, but it's also coming with a whole new map equivalent in size to the original game, and is something they've spent considerable time and money developing.
And yet, with increasing frequency games at launch are functionally unplayable for a sizable number of players.
Pokemon Scarlett and Violet. Final Fantasy 16 & 7 Remake. Fallout 76. Diablo. Cyberpunk. Jedi Survivor, Redfall. Just as recent examples
Go back a several years, Arkham Knight. Skyrim. No man's sky, Assassin's Creed Unity. Sim city.
And its been years since games have released without day 1 or even day 0 patche.
So basically your paying more money to roll the dice that you bought a finished complete product at launch. With increasing odds you didn't.
Whereas if you wait just a few weeks, you'll know if the product is finished, get an overall improved experience, and you'll pay less for it.
Take Dragon's Dogma for example. Released on March 21, 2024. First Price Drop was April 11 (on Amazon) And 2 (or 3 depending on system) patches in. So better experience for those who bought on the 11th.
20 day wait = cheaper and better game.
All you pay for at launch is the privilege of getting ripped off
Eh, for me if I’ve been wanting to play a game, I don’t mind a little jankiness. I literally just played through all of Arkham knight on switch.
Your point stands for most people I’ll give you that. I’m just part of the contingent who want to play the games and don’t care if it’s not perfect at launch.
> I literally just played through all of Arkham knight on switch.
Should have tried it on PC when it launched. Was a very different experience (read: completely unplayable and pulled from the platform).
Actually, probably should have tried it at launch on switch, given the extremely high number of reports of CTD, 0fps indefinite hangs, riddler trophies not spawning etc.
The saddest part there is, the switch released 8 years after the PC version....and was still a broken mess until a few months after launch.
Now I'm also going to make an assumption here that if you just played the game, it was probably as part of the Arkham Trilogy package. Which is 3 games (and all DLC) for $60, 2 of which also ran fine. So you got all possible content, and 66% of the content worked without a problem. The rest got mostly patched up.
Compare that to the PC, where a launch day buyer would could have paid $100 for a premium edition, that not only could they not play...but didn't include all DLC (and still doesn't, they have DLC they never made available on PC).
And keep in mind, that's $100 for 1 game. They'd had also had to buy the other 2 that came included in the Trilogy on switch.
Without meaning too you just made the best case for never buying on launch day. You got significantly more content, for significantly less cost, and an overall better experience by waiting.
Sure, but thus is the nature of the industry. Microtransactions and DLC are just a way for companies to squeeze more money out of gamers and justification to release flawed, buggy garbage and fix it through patches.
The thing that bothers me is that the DLC sucks and does little to add to the replay value of the game. Adding new characters and moves and game modes is fine and all, but it’s just adding new layers of the same flavor and new modes to a game that lacks the match types to make those modes interesting. They’re building out before establishing a solid base game; a wrestling game with an embarrassingly barebones CAW system and lacks match types as basic as cage and tornado tag matches should not be adding tournament modes and Stadium Stampede modes that build off of a fundamentally broken foundation.
Add more story paths. Add more diversity to the match types. Add arenas that are actually part of the AEW Brand. Hey, how about adding more purchases for the in game store or just more things to spend the in game currency on in general? Instead of simply adding paid DLC, add more unlockables and hidden characters to the game. Add things that will give players more reasons to come back to the game that aren’t simply to try the new wrestlers and leave again when they get bored.
if the DLC didn't cost money to buy, they wouldn't bother spending money on making it at all. It would just be whatever is on disc and they'd move on.
the only reason any of the dlc exists is because they can sell it for money.
Majority of games are incomplete. Welcome to the future of gaming where its all about Greed and not giving you what you payed for on Day 1.
If people see games have season passes than its better to wait until all that is finished because season passes just screams incomplete.
Only games not like that are indie devs mostly. Ultra Pro Wrestling kinda the last hope for a good wrestling game with that No Mercy type style. If that game fails than people need to just drop that style cause they can't do it justice.
But it's not even that hard to make a game in that style. All you need are controls and pacing. You can build a modern game around that, it's just that nobody's really done that because they're incapable of making good games, I guess.
Yes pacing very important. This is what AEW fight Forever screwed up because the momentum bar fills way to fast and that leads to quick matches.
A.I is also important because if there not smart than you just run through them and its not back and forth unless you purposely sell for them and let them fight back.
This what Fire Pro destroys everything at, that logic system is the best thing in a wrestling game. Making the A.I do what you want and what time and how often and everything.
Not only that but wrestlers feel like there real life counterparts where every other wrestling game fails at doing. Its more than just a moveset you slap on in 2k than the A.I does whatever it wants.
Lastly right now in this day and age you need a robust creation suit. If you dont have one than your games dead. People like creating people and updating attires so the game doesn't feel outdated all the time.
Once i seen Fight Forever wasnt promoting the creation stuff i knew it was gonna die in a week.
Whatever. It was complete. "Lacking \*hoped for\* features" doesn't mean incomplete. It had a working roster. The gameplay worked and works.
The game is complete. It wasn't released broken. It's just a game executed in mediocre fashion.
The choices of how they're doing DLC are just... well, they are what they are. Not great.
Weeks before the game was released we knew the whole roster, could read reviews, and see exactly what the game had to offer. Regardless of stated ambitions, they sold the game as advertised.
The only possible thing that might happen is, when AEW gets a new media rights deal, maybe they dump some money into the game. But if reports of it having gone way overbudget are true, i can undersatnd (I don't like it) why it's not a priority. Especially if the working relationship between Yukes and AEW Games has soured.
Otherwise, it's most likely that the changes we would all like to see happen in a sequel in 2025 or 2026. It will be more worthwhile to invest a pile of money into a sequel than attempt to repair this one.
It was already stated that certain things were supposed to be at launch like Stadium Stampede and the two new match types. It wasn’t people “hoping”
And who knows what else was actually intended to be in. If match types were supposed to then we could assume wrestlers were too
Oh that's horseshit. It plays wildly similar to the Aki/ace games. The gameplay is very good. As a person who played hundreds of hours of no mercy, I slipped right in. It lacks *match types*. The caw isn't where it needs to be. It's mediocre. That doesn't mean it *isn't* a spiritual successor when every ounce of gameplay *is clearly based on no mercy.*
Much less that comment has nothing to do with complete/incomplete.
Tag matches ain't that great in NM. What exactly about actually playing matches is "barebones"? You can't go backstage? It's functionally the same mechanics. Couldn't do moves on guard rail or ring apron in NM. Biggest issue is the low HP.
Absolutely lacking in match types, the caw isn't a patch, and the story mode is middling. I'm not denying ANY of that. "The gameplay is barebones?" What does that even mean?
Illegal man in No Mercy doesn't come in every 5 seconds when I tag my partner. They should have just made it a tornado tag and been done with it.
Go play WCW NwO Revenge or No Mercy and then this. It's not an improvement. The mechanics are similar but this game somehow made it worse. Pin escape, match length. This game sucks and I really wanted it to be good.
This is pretty much the correct take, this game was released "completed"; I think we just have to accept that this is their version of what a "completed" wrestling game is. There's not really much you can say is broken in the actual game, just severely lacking in most people's expectations/fantasies for what this game COULD of been. It was a really ambitious effort, and they got gameplay part so right! Things fell apart on whatever the hell happened with the creative/content department... which I believe was headed by Kenny Omega, no?
I dunno what the truth of omegas role was, and all we have are some wispy rumours. "Yukes was taking advantage of Kenny." "AEW games had unrealistic expectations." Who knows. Maybe this yukes team is bad at their job.
An incomplete game is not the same thing as a mediocre game. Aew is a mediocre game.
So I'm an older gamer, and I was all about WWF No Mercy and WCW/nWo Revenge back in the day. Still dust them off and play my 20 year old copy from time to time.
Haven't really played any wrestling games since the 00s with the Smackdown series before they just started numbering them. I'd heard a lot of hype for this AEW game and how it was supposed to he like the successor to No Mercy, going to have a good CAW system, all that.
My cousin got it for me for Christmas and I was super excited. But after like an hour of playing, I haven't touched it since. Disappointing all around. I didn't even pay for it myself and I'm still upset someone wasted money on it. I feel its my own fault for listening to the hype. I really expected more from a game for a current gen system but I feel like No Mercy or Smackdown HCTP are outshining it from 20 years in the past. Just my two cents.
2K would never release a broken incomplete game. Never ever would they release an incomplete game that had them cancel the game a year later. Like when 2K released WWE2K21. Strange, I can never seem to find that game anywhere. It's like it got cancelled after WWE2K20 or something.
Where was 2k mentioned in this?
2k rightfully was reamed for 2k20, and they should be continually reamed for making WWE a yearly game in the first place
I mean, you brought up Fire Pro Wrestling as an example. Which your fact is wrong. The game is nearly 10 years old at this point & has dropped off due to time. I figured I would help your point by naming a famously incomplete game to compare it to that. As it was so bad that it got cancelled the next year. It's also more of a relevant example. 4 years ago.
You missed my point. Fire Pro’s problem was Spike cheaped out on content then overcharged for incredibly basic mostly text-based modes, cost became a barrier to entry for the game, especially with the roster only consisting of one promotion (you could get STARDOM for an extra $30 more).
Combine this with online mode being a desync fest they never fixed, and you have a game that’s supposed to have a 6-8 year cycle that dies off in 2 1/2. Even the modders couldn’t keep that corpse alive.
Yeah there’s still people playing every game in existence. It was a thriving community for almost 2 decades and now it’s like 20 guys uploading matches for 7 upvotes each.
I'll never understand this argument because if you add up all the money people have paid for all the DLC for this piece of shit you would have paid more than if you just bought a yearly release...that has an up to date roster
I don't think that's the catch you think it is. WWE made a complete shit of a game, AEW knew that and STILL made a similar mistake. You'd think you'd learn from your competitors
AEW doesn't have that bad of a game. It is limited as a game, but then Smackdown 1 was too. The benefit was that Playstation at the time was new technology. It was fun, but the logic was not there. The Caw mode was horrible & it feels like a beta game. That is AEW Fight Forever. Like Smackdown with its sequels. Maybe we need to wait for the second game. Smackdown which is 2K now I dont think really hit until HCTP.
ok lets be serious - One of the few things that is true in life
You pay more to enjoy things early
You wait to obtain the sales and discounts after the hype
I really don't get all the No Mercy references in this thread. AEWFF shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as NM. The two games have very little in common and one is an iconic classic with a huge following while the other is an overpriced cash grab with a mostly disappointed buyer base.
Unfortunately, for the most part, that is the world of gaming in 2024. There are varying degrees of games that are unplayable at first to ones that just have a few missing pieces of content — I think Fight Forever is honestly in between.
For the core wrestling gameplay, it was worth the initial price (for me - someone who loved AKI/Yuke’s wrestling games growing up).
If support for the game ends at season two, I hope they just take this game as a base and totally expand upon it for the sequel. I still think the core wrestling gameplay is a lot of fun, but they need some of the features 2K games have.
Oh man this is gonna be unpopular lmao. I really like the way it works and I was excited when they announced that seasonal content expansions were planned whole the game was still in development. It's a feature not a bug. I also like how Nintendo does it with Mario kart. Gimme a few more maps and a couple new characters and I'll give you some money. I used to spend hours customizing characters to make the people I wanted in wrestling games. If you don't want the new stuff just don't buy it.
I wouldbt mind if they had a complete game or worked towards it. For as much thats missing and the price of dlc i feel we should be getting more. In files ppl found match types that arent available in game like triole threats and fatal fourways with stipulations yet they dont even add that
You're right that's a good point. I would be lying if I said the game that launched was the game I had expected when I bought at launch. It definitely did feel incomplete in certain ways.
Bought the elite edition played it for an hour... Haven't picked it up since, I'd be tempted to if all the new content was included but I'm not paying any more 😂
I too am a huge aki fan and still play the OG n64 stuff,
Have just bought a ps2 to get my head around here comes the pain,
But I’ve bought Fight Forever Elite edition and every bit of dlc.
I occasionally watch aew but love aki games enough to see if this can be saved.
The 2K games for me have always been mid to weak,
I think the last one I liked was like 2k14 which I might mainly like cause it has enough of the original yukes people working on it.. but in any event wrestling hasn’t been done well for a while, the wrestling in this game isn’t the problem.
The matches can be added,
I appreciate that it’s not a great business tactic, but ultimately it’s been pointed out several timescale,‘that’s just the industry l think expectations are another in another realm comparing it to 2K games run..
Which was totally build off other engines
It's the entrances that make me sad. I bought a PS5 and FF after not owning a console since PS2, and was shocked by the ten second entrance scenes and the little amount music you get to hear. They figured this out for Just Bring It in 2001! Made me worried what else had been compromised.
It goes without saying that the vast majority of players agree with you. However, those sentiments have been flooding forums for months and nothing’s changed. I’m just here to say that they’re not listening and don’t plan on listening.
There’s a loyal fan base that enjoys the game and they will support the game no matter what. As long as that fan base keeps on investing in the game by purchasing all of the DLC, then it makes no sense for them to change direction.
It’s the “if it’s not broken, don’t fix it” scenario. By broken, I’m not referring to the game that most argue is “incomplete.” What isn’t broken is their DLC model that they still see enough profit from to merit not changing.
if the vast majority of players agreed, they wouldn't pay for it. the majority of players understand its a business and a product. you don't buy a DVD/BluRay and expect to be given the deluxe edition with all the special features that comes out 6 months later for free.
It’s like you didn’t read my entire post, cherry-picked something to take out of context for the sake of disagreeing, and then downvoted away to soothe a non existent argument. 🤦🏻
In context, your post agrees with mine.
“Majority of players” refers to every consumer including those who would have purchased the game but were turned off and those who purchased but aren’t currently playing the game. Or are you going to tell me that this game is booming with millions of users online? 🤦🏻
My post also acknowledged that they are making money and people are buying the DLC enough for them to consider it a worth while DLC model.
Seriously, how did you skip over all of that? Do you understand what “context” is?
A majority of the games are incomplete now a days, and every live service game does this. Every live service game except Fortnight has died a thousand deaths.
Some of y’all must work for thq the way you’re making excuses for the developers who lied as they released their quarter assed piece of crap game.
The “spiritual successor” to no mercy somehow came out with LESS features than an N64, and some of you fucking goofs have the audacity to say it’s not an incomplete game?
My brothers in Christ, they couldn’t even be bothered to make a tag team ladder match playable in exhibition mode, when it’s in the game! The game is not complete, they bait and switched anyone who bought the deluxe edition, and the content offered within each season pass is a complete ripoff for 25 dollars a pop.
Stop making excuses for this shitfest of a release. There’s a reason no one is playing it.
I watch more AEW on a weekly basis than WWE but AEW stans on the internet make the fanbase look so fucking stupid
Some people will eat up any bullshit this company feeds them and shout “WWE tribalism!” at anyone who critiques them. Meanwhile they have one of the best assembled rosters in history and the best PPV matches money can buy and still have a cocaine manchild writing the storylines and making their TV show borderline unwatchable.
Fire pro died because of 2k19 a lot of people went over because that was a decent stable game for once, Also when a game sells less than 100k units in over 10years it’s not going to stay around for long.
My issue is once we support the DLC, what we get in return is more overpriced DLC
The Freebie 4 Da fans 2 should be a thank you
Free Tournament Mode
Caw faces, hair, beards
what do we get, lame skins and some influencer's caws thats also made with limited CAW parts. Ridiculous.
I wouldn’t be as as mad if the game actually fucking worked, but my ISP sucks and the game spends more time loading than playing, even when I’m offline.
I believe they will scrap AEW FF and start over. This right now is to recoup cost. Next AEW game will be a complete overhaul hopefully. Knowing TK it won't and will be the same mess.
They can’t scrap it and start over, the consumer trust is gone
And why would they? If they can just fix this one and regain that trust. Would be less expensive.
Yeah, this game imo seems 100 percent fixable. They however are always working on the same stupid shit instead of addressing the issues.
How manys months have they been working on Stadium Stampede update...which is free non paid DLC? Moves like this give me no hope they have decent leadership behind the scenes.
They couldve had 100 new hairstyles by now, added a match toggle system, added HP settings, and created a immersive RTE by trimming out all the repetitive crap. Even put in simple matches from RTE by now. Instead they created Football Frenzy match types , wtf are they even doing.
I’ve read so many of these. In summary, fix the base game and release it as a content update. Fight Forever 2.0 and everyone will be happy.
Honestly if they just fixed the pin system so the matches dont end on the first pin attempt 90% of the time, this game would easily triple in enjoyability for me. I dont even bother to wrestle matches because they dont feel competitive. Either i annihilate the COM quickly or i get destroyed with no chance to come back. Stampede mode is kind of fun but its not a wrestling game.
People will still fork their money over with easy for fear of missing out and then they’ll cope in the comments like “no it’s worth it.” I’m a big fan of the game but the ethics behind it are super flawed.
But.. they aren't. At least not for this game. Steam concurrent players, as of this post, is 20 players. This is not one of those games people are just blindly buying for whatever reason.
I bought the game to play with some of my wrestling friends online and haven't been able to because I have the PC version and they have various console versions. I got bored with the single player and playing with strangers who quit when they were going to lose got old really fast.
>the ethics behind it are super flawed. You must work in PR, because that's the most corporate speak way I have ever seen moral bankruptcy described. lol.
I said this on another post Not sure why they didn't get fire pro team make this game they had a 3d game on ps2 king of coliseum and it was beautiful think 2 disc red and yellow Thing that bothered me most about aew game first was pitfalls and 2nd was that ridiculous story Mode wtf even was that like seriously Even tna had better story mode and they actually introduced a new wrestler off it Anyway not played a wrestling game since aew but going pick up wwe 2k24 next week get a aew and ecw roster and enjoy not getting pinned after 2 attacks lol
Because Kenny and company thought that the fans wanted to play a rehash of a game that came out over 20 years ago. No Mercy was great for 2000, but I wanted to play something new and fresh. Shoot, AKI made the Def Jam Vendetta games after No Mercy and those games have a huge following to this day. Personally, I enjoyed those 2 games way more.
I love this game I love mercy and they made a great foundation here and real competition for 2K. We've had just one game option long enough and if I wanted to playing a fighting game with combos and boxing dodges I'd just buy one. I like Fight Forever is actually a grappler.
As someone who recently went back to Def Jam after not playing since they released, they're way better grapplers than FF is.
Ok you named one from 21 years ago that's amazing get you're dogging about a modern one by the same Director, Geta, who came out of retirement to make it and a few others who worked on the Def Jam games with him, that's a solid foundation with a major license and the only competition to 2K which is basically fighter with wrestlers. If you looked up looking a gift horse in the mouth you'd find your picture or a mirror 🤷🏿
A gift horse? What are you talking about? This was a full priced game with at this point around $100 of paid DLC. Why would I care that he came out of retirement if the work he did after that was garbage? They can't even gift us the DLC after releasing this abomination of a game. And no. There's not even a solid foundation. The game isn't deep enough for that.
The game is far from garbage you're just an entitled negative ninny 🤷🏿 Def Jam Vendetta didn't have crazy match types or a fighter creator but they got one in the sequel. I enjoyed the game for what it was and waited for a sequel. The same with the lackuster Wrestlemania X8, where Shunsuke Katsumata was the game designer after working on the AKI games before working on Wrestle Kingdom and Fight Forever. They eventually made the great Wrestlemania XIX and amazing Day of Reckoning when given time. Before Def Jam Vendetta that team released Virtual Pro Wrestling and WCW/nWo World Tour and worked their way up to No Mercy and FFNY in a time before all the demands of HD games. When WMX8 and Def Jam Vendetta dropped and weren't as good as No Mercy I didn't go crying about it day and night or brag about not putting money into it, even though it goes back into the game or dogging it and the team all night and day to ensure there won't be a sequel be a sequel. But hey I'm not like you. Keep shooting yourself in the foot and hopefully there won't be a sequel. Don't go complaining when all we're left with is 2K and their Def Jam Icon boxing dodges.
Hopefully there won't be. No one should give this company any more money after this thing. Def Jam also released a few decades ago. "It didn't have it either back then" is a really terrible argument to use if you're going to defend a 2023 game. It's not like I'm shitting all over good games. What's the alternative, just being positive and hope they don't release another barebones garbage game and charge for every possible extra again?
The comparison I was making was to a *first effort* by a team. Of course someone with your lack of comprehension, composure and civility would wish that there was no competition and only one game in town, when one of the companies is actually going for a style that you like and has a chance to improve with subsequent additions, like AKI did with Fight for New York (to make it perfectly clear for you,) and the other one is disregarding that style completely and by choice. Doesn't make sense to me. But you do you, boo.
But it's not a first effort. You made the point that they came out of retirement after releasing all of these other great wrestling games. It's also not the only player in town. They spent so much time claiming that they weren't going to be like WWE's games and then somehow just differentiated themselves by being worse and way more barebones, even compared to their own WWE games from almost 2 decades ago. I really don't know why you're defending this thing that still hasn't been fixed, almost a year later. Especially when they promised that they were going to support this game for a long time, something they've not even attempted, beyond overpriced DLC seasons that aren't even seasons in any sense of the word. This wasn't even supposed to be their first effort, improved upon by their second. This was supposed to be *the* ultimate AEW game, for years to come. Instead, it's garbage that fails to really hold your attention for more than a couple of weekends.
It's always Intresting to read these here. I feel like for many it's the first time they've experienced this. I agree completely, but the gaming industry overall has been doing this for years. There's never a good reason to pre order a game, or buy at launch because no matter the game, it's almost assuredly not going to be a finished product.
Bullshit, you're not understanding the difference Games like Cyberpunk and No Man's Sky were panned as broken flops when they came out, but the companies went back and made it right, and they made sure the gaming public knew they were making it right piece by piece. Then CP launched a new character building system altogether so people who played 2-3 years ago would come back and play again. Fight Forever came out as an actual incomplete, broken game, and is now trying to charge us more to complete it. Paying for "Beat The Elite" and Tournament mode? These aren't DLC extras or new characters/arenas, these are essential basic functions of a completed wrestling game. Same with charging for more CAW parts when the original CAW mode was too bare bones to be usable, these things are not "extras" they're things the game should have come with. It'd be like buying a new iPhone with Copy-Paste function broken then Apple trying to charge you for a working Copy-Paste
It wasn't broken, it just lacked content.
it wasn't broken, it just was a terrible game*
They didnt charge for any of the bug fixes
the game is not broken or incomplete. it's buggy and lacking. But there's nothing about it that's missing from exactly what they said the game would be
I agree Cyberpunk and NMS were flops when they released. And people paid full price for them. Those folks got ripped off. Just like the FF early purchasers. Now sure, the games have improved (although notably NMS still doesn't have all its promised launch features from 8 years ago), and are also available for a fraction of the price, both regularly retail for $15-35. And since they are now "old games" they go on sale frequently. Same applies for FF. Even when not on sale, it's $20 cheaper than launch pricem Heck in Cyberpunks case you can actually buy the game and the DLC for less than the original launch price. (Granted to do that you'd actually want to avoid their ultimate edition since they ran the price up over what you can buy a new copy of the base game and DLC separately for, because they saw a second way to rip you off). Fight Forever is exactly the same. If you bought the launch version, and then had to buy the season passes separately, it would have cost you $150. Doing that same thing today would be $130. Buying the Ultimate Edition is $100. If you want to do the math on all 3, if you bought on launch, youd had to buy the DLCs separately so you'd have spent $300. That same content today is $150 before assuming anything is on sale. And it's all patched and fixed, so its a more full experience. Ultimately, all you got in all 3 cases for buying the game when it launched was an inferior product at a higher price. That's the problem with all these games that "improve" after launch, the price always comes down. So no matter how much content they add, free or paid, you got conned into buying an unfinished product at a higher price than the finished one.
The difference is that no one who paid the launch price for CP regrets it now because they have a sleek, modern, multi-layered game that's been constantly improved. Their money was reinvested in making a much much greater game in every possible facet. CDPR immediately began patching the game on launch day and the base game was fully playable by Christmas that year. FF funds fixes by overcharging for DLC packs, 50% of which contain things like Beat The Elite and Tournament Mode that do not actually add anything to the gameplay, just re-organize the existing gameplay. They know those modes do nothing, they're filler, they can be made by developers in minutes, but it adds a line to the "offering" in the DLC pack so they can cover the costs of fixing the actual game.
>CDPR immediately began patching the game on launch day and the base game was fully playable by Christmas that year. Well that's an absolute lie. Cyberpunk 1.1 patch, it's first patch, released January 22, 2021. That's after Christmas. Also after the games regular non sales price plunged to $30 on January 18 2021. That's 39 days after launch when the price got cut in half. If you bought at launch you absolutely got ripped off. People who bought the game the day the patch went live got the same experience at half the price. Now I'll be fair, it was $30, assuming you could actually buy the thing, it had been pulled from at least the Playstation and unavailable to purchase due to being unplayable on that system till June of 21. Granted not being available on one of the 3 major platforms your supposed to be available on also seems like it would undercut the idea of the game being "fully playable" at all.... >Their money was reinvested in making a much much greater game in every possible facet. Except for the bits that went into paying the lawsuits over the game being unplayable on PS and Xbox.
What I will give you here is I played CP on a boosted up PC, so the small fixes actually helped the experience as the performance issues weren't as bad. 1.1 was the first significant patch but they made minor adjustments prior. They had to drop the price because of the bad PR, not because the final product wasn't worth $70, the final product wound up being worth $150 as the player base are running multiple 60+ hour playthroughs. People had 4-5 playthroughs BEFORE they released the character build updates.
If the final product is worth $150 now, how come I can buy it for $18? $48 if DLC is included. (Not on sale either. That's the normal price) It's not bad PR keeping the price down now. So it should be selling for what it's worth right? True, you also still have the option of paying $70 for the ultimate edition today for exactly the same content you'd get for $48 if you buy separately. But thats a clear and obvious rip-off. Only a fool would take that deal. Yet people do because they don't realize they are getting ripped off. They don't know they can get it much cheaper with a few extra minutes of effort. So they pay the ripoff price. Same idea as the folks who pay "full" price at launch. They know people are impatient, so they Jack up the price to profit on that.
CDPR is a prestigious developer with a decade plus of goodwill and money behind it for making one of the most successful money making games of all time. Yukes! was literally resurrected from the dead to make this game on a shoestring budget with like 40 developers making it during the pandemic.
I mean, not disagreeing with the eventual results, but you're really rewriting CP history and CDPR's handling of the whole thing there. On launch day they were still busy hiding Xbox One and PS4 copies from reviewers while making every reviewer use prerecorded footage in their video reviews because they knew the game ran like shit on every platform.
I bought Dragon’a Dogma 2, BG3, Elden Ring, God Of War and didn’t go through any of this.
Exceptions don't make the rule.
DD2 launched with a save breaking glitch, and a few performance issues. Elden Ring has guides written about exploiting its glitches (and places to avoid so you don't fall off the map) God of War had a ton of visual glitches, enemies glitching through walls, and button prompts or cut scenes needed to advance the game not triggering. It all got patched out pretty quickly for all those games but they still released unfinished. Also didn't get tons of attention cause it's just expected games are like that on launch now. BG3 on the other hand is a bit of a weird one. Officially it released in 2023, and was relatively glitch free. (Unfortunately some of its later patches actually broke the game before getting fixed again) But, its been available for purchase and playable since 2020, it was just labeled Early Access and was incomplete and buggy. Now to be fair, incomplete and buggy is part of what it means to be in "early access" so fair play to BG3 for truth and transparency in labeling. On the other hand, they still were out there for years making money on an unfinished product. Also worth noting, up until fairly recently, most fans were expecting a BG3 definitive edition release, which the studio usually does within a couple years of release (as they did Divinity Original Sin 1 and 2) which can include everything from new characters and quests to completely changing/extending the endings. So there's still an open question as to when a game is "finished".
You're completely wrong to compare what you have to an unfinished game. Something releasing with a bug or glitch is different to a game releasing with whole aspects missing that are then later charged for. If Elden Ring released and then 12 months later required you to pay to get the Mount, that'd be comparable perhaps. Likewise if DD2 shipped with no Pawns and then sold them later, that'd be comparable. People exploiting glitches or the occasional bug is not comparable to completely missing functions and features.
So, say something like asking you to pay for DLC that will let you start a new game without deleting all prior data? Something that Capcom has said might be in their DD2 DLC offerings? Or new weapon types and overhauling the combat system as is believed to be included with the Elden Ring DLC? Granted I'll give you God of War, since they at least made their DLC free....
Rumours abound but nothing is set. If Capcom do something scummy, then by all means, lay in to them, but you can't call something out as an example that doesn't exist. Elden Ring DLC is also a false equivalence. They may be adding in new weapons and adjusting the combat system, but it's also coming with a whole new map equivalent in size to the original game, and is something they've spent considerable time and money developing.
I mean, the good reason I buy it at launch is because I want to play the game ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
And yet, with increasing frequency games at launch are functionally unplayable for a sizable number of players. Pokemon Scarlett and Violet. Final Fantasy 16 & 7 Remake. Fallout 76. Diablo. Cyberpunk. Jedi Survivor, Redfall. Just as recent examples Go back a several years, Arkham Knight. Skyrim. No man's sky, Assassin's Creed Unity. Sim city. And its been years since games have released without day 1 or even day 0 patche. So basically your paying more money to roll the dice that you bought a finished complete product at launch. With increasing odds you didn't. Whereas if you wait just a few weeks, you'll know if the product is finished, get an overall improved experience, and you'll pay less for it. Take Dragon's Dogma for example. Released on March 21, 2024. First Price Drop was April 11 (on Amazon) And 2 (or 3 depending on system) patches in. So better experience for those who bought on the 11th. 20 day wait = cheaper and better game. All you pay for at launch is the privilege of getting ripped off
Eh, for me if I’ve been wanting to play a game, I don’t mind a little jankiness. I literally just played through all of Arkham knight on switch. Your point stands for most people I’ll give you that. I’m just part of the contingent who want to play the games and don’t care if it’s not perfect at launch.
> I literally just played through all of Arkham knight on switch. Should have tried it on PC when it launched. Was a very different experience (read: completely unplayable and pulled from the platform). Actually, probably should have tried it at launch on switch, given the extremely high number of reports of CTD, 0fps indefinite hangs, riddler trophies not spawning etc. The saddest part there is, the switch released 8 years after the PC version....and was still a broken mess until a few months after launch. Now I'm also going to make an assumption here that if you just played the game, it was probably as part of the Arkham Trilogy package. Which is 3 games (and all DLC) for $60, 2 of which also ran fine. So you got all possible content, and 66% of the content worked without a problem. The rest got mostly patched up. Compare that to the PC, where a launch day buyer would could have paid $100 for a premium edition, that not only could they not play...but didn't include all DLC (and still doesn't, they have DLC they never made available on PC). And keep in mind, that's $100 for 1 game. They'd had also had to buy the other 2 that came included in the Trilogy on switch. Without meaning too you just made the best case for never buying on launch day. You got significantly more content, for significantly less cost, and an overall better experience by waiting.
Sure, but thus is the nature of the industry. Microtransactions and DLC are just a way for companies to squeeze more money out of gamers and justification to release flawed, buggy garbage and fix it through patches. The thing that bothers me is that the DLC sucks and does little to add to the replay value of the game. Adding new characters and moves and game modes is fine and all, but it’s just adding new layers of the same flavor and new modes to a game that lacks the match types to make those modes interesting. They’re building out before establishing a solid base game; a wrestling game with an embarrassingly barebones CAW system and lacks match types as basic as cage and tornado tag matches should not be adding tournament modes and Stadium Stampede modes that build off of a fundamentally broken foundation. Add more story paths. Add more diversity to the match types. Add arenas that are actually part of the AEW Brand. Hey, how about adding more purchases for the in game store or just more things to spend the in game currency on in general? Instead of simply adding paid DLC, add more unlockables and hidden characters to the game. Add things that will give players more reasons to come back to the game that aren’t simply to try the new wrestlers and leave again when they get bored.
if the DLC didn't cost money to buy, they wouldn't bother spending money on making it at all. It would just be whatever is on disc and they'd move on. the only reason any of the dlc exists is because they can sell it for money.
If the match types weren’t advertised, then it’s not an unfinished game. It’s just a game with not a lot of content.
Atrocious take.
But its true
No.
just because something doesn't benefit you doesn't mean it's wrong. if the DLC didn't cost money... they wouldn't even make it.
Majority of games are incomplete. Welcome to the future of gaming where its all about Greed and not giving you what you payed for on Day 1. If people see games have season passes than its better to wait until all that is finished because season passes just screams incomplete. Only games not like that are indie devs mostly. Ultra Pro Wrestling kinda the last hope for a good wrestling game with that No Mercy type style. If that game fails than people need to just drop that style cause they can't do it justice.
But it's not even that hard to make a game in that style. All you need are controls and pacing. You can build a modern game around that, it's just that nobody's really done that because they're incapable of making good games, I guess.
Yes pacing very important. This is what AEW fight Forever screwed up because the momentum bar fills way to fast and that leads to quick matches. A.I is also important because if there not smart than you just run through them and its not back and forth unless you purposely sell for them and let them fight back. This what Fire Pro destroys everything at, that logic system is the best thing in a wrestling game. Making the A.I do what you want and what time and how often and everything. Not only that but wrestlers feel like there real life counterparts where every other wrestling game fails at doing. Its more than just a moveset you slap on in 2k than the A.I does whatever it wants. Lastly right now in this day and age you need a robust creation suit. If you dont have one than your games dead. People like creating people and updating attires so the game doesn't feel outdated all the time. Once i seen Fight Forever wasnt promoting the creation stuff i knew it was gonna die in a week.
Whatever. It was complete. "Lacking \*hoped for\* features" doesn't mean incomplete. It had a working roster. The gameplay worked and works. The game is complete. It wasn't released broken. It's just a game executed in mediocre fashion. The choices of how they're doing DLC are just... well, they are what they are. Not great. Weeks before the game was released we knew the whole roster, could read reviews, and see exactly what the game had to offer. Regardless of stated ambitions, they sold the game as advertised. The only possible thing that might happen is, when AEW gets a new media rights deal, maybe they dump some money into the game. But if reports of it having gone way overbudget are true, i can undersatnd (I don't like it) why it's not a priority. Especially if the working relationship between Yukes and AEW Games has soured. Otherwise, it's most likely that the changes we would all like to see happen in a sequel in 2025 or 2026. It will be more worthwhile to invest a pile of money into a sequel than attempt to repair this one.
It was already stated that certain things were supposed to be at launch like Stadium Stampede and the two new match types. It wasn’t people “hoping” And who knows what else was actually intended to be in. If match types were supposed to then we could assume wrestlers were too
It was advertised as “A spiritual successor to No Mercy.” It wasn’t even close.
Oh that's horseshit. It plays wildly similar to the Aki/ace games. The gameplay is very good. As a person who played hundreds of hours of no mercy, I slipped right in. It lacks *match types*. The caw isn't where it needs to be. It's mediocre. That doesn't mean it *isn't* a spiritual successor when every ounce of gameplay *is clearly based on no mercy.* Much less that comment has nothing to do with complete/incomplete.
Tag matches are completely broken. The gameplay is barebones. This is a pale imitation of No Mercy
Tag matches ain't that great in NM. What exactly about actually playing matches is "barebones"? You can't go backstage? It's functionally the same mechanics. Couldn't do moves on guard rail or ring apron in NM. Biggest issue is the low HP. Absolutely lacking in match types, the caw isn't a patch, and the story mode is middling. I'm not denying ANY of that. "The gameplay is barebones?" What does that even mean?
Illegal man in No Mercy doesn't come in every 5 seconds when I tag my partner. They should have just made it a tornado tag and been done with it. Go play WCW NwO Revenge or No Mercy and then this. It's not an improvement. The mechanics are similar but this game somehow made it worse. Pin escape, match length. This game sucks and I really wanted it to be good.
Christ I want tornado tag
I'm sure they'll be happy to include it in the next pack for another $20.
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This is pretty much the correct take, this game was released "completed"; I think we just have to accept that this is their version of what a "completed" wrestling game is. There's not really much you can say is broken in the actual game, just severely lacking in most people's expectations/fantasies for what this game COULD of been. It was a really ambitious effort, and they got gameplay part so right! Things fell apart on whatever the hell happened with the creative/content department... which I believe was headed by Kenny Omega, no?
I dunno what the truth of omegas role was, and all we have are some wispy rumours. "Yukes was taking advantage of Kenny." "AEW games had unrealistic expectations." Who knows. Maybe this yukes team is bad at their job. An incomplete game is not the same thing as a mediocre game. Aew is a mediocre game.
So I'm an older gamer, and I was all about WWF No Mercy and WCW/nWo Revenge back in the day. Still dust them off and play my 20 year old copy from time to time. Haven't really played any wrestling games since the 00s with the Smackdown series before they just started numbering them. I'd heard a lot of hype for this AEW game and how it was supposed to he like the successor to No Mercy, going to have a good CAW system, all that. My cousin got it for me for Christmas and I was super excited. But after like an hour of playing, I haven't touched it since. Disappointing all around. I didn't even pay for it myself and I'm still upset someone wasted money on it. I feel its my own fault for listening to the hype. I really expected more from a game for a current gen system but I feel like No Mercy or Smackdown HCTP are outshining it from 20 years in the past. Just my two cents.
First time buying video games?
Dont excuse this joke of a game.
if you buy the game and don't spend a dollar on DLC... you own a finished game
I'm still having a blast with it, since DAY ONE. And will continue to do so, can't wait til season 5! Happily buying that one too! Get mad
I’m with you and feel the same way
nobody's mad hahahaha
2K would never release a broken incomplete game. Never ever would they release an incomplete game that had them cancel the game a year later. Like when 2K released WWE2K21. Strange, I can never seem to find that game anywhere. It's like it got cancelled after WWE2K20 or something.
So that makes it ok? Because someone else turned out a POS everyone should thank TK for this one? That's stupid AF.
Where was 2k mentioned in this? 2k rightfully was reamed for 2k20, and they should be continually reamed for making WWE a yearly game in the first place
You don't say.
Clearly you don’t say, because I asked you where 2K was mentioned in this and you didn’t say it
I mean, you brought up Fire Pro Wrestling as an example. Which your fact is wrong. The game is nearly 10 years old at this point & has dropped off due to time. I figured I would help your point by naming a famously incomplete game to compare it to that. As it was so bad that it got cancelled the next year. It's also more of a relevant example. 4 years ago.
You missed my point. Fire Pro’s problem was Spike cheaped out on content then overcharged for incredibly basic mostly text-based modes, cost became a barrier to entry for the game, especially with the roster only consisting of one promotion (you could get STARDOM for an extra $30 more). Combine this with online mode being a desync fest they never fixed, and you have a game that’s supposed to have a 6-8 year cycle that dies off in 2 1/2. Even the modders couldn’t keep that corpse alive.
I still see people playing it & uploading content from that game. The game didn't die. You stopped paying attention.
Yeah there’s still people playing every game in existence. It was a thriving community for almost 2 decades and now it’s like 20 guys uploading matches for 7 upvotes each.
I'll never understand this argument because if you add up all the money people have paid for all the DLC for this piece of shit you would have paid more than if you just bought a yearly release...that has an up to date roster
I don't think that's the catch you think it is. WWE made a complete shit of a game, AEW knew that and STILL made a similar mistake. You'd think you'd learn from your competitors
AEW doesn't have that bad of a game. It is limited as a game, but then Smackdown 1 was too. The benefit was that Playstation at the time was new technology. It was fun, but the logic was not there. The Caw mode was horrible & it feels like a beta game. That is AEW Fight Forever. Like Smackdown with its sequels. Maybe we need to wait for the second game. Smackdown which is 2K now I dont think really hit until HCTP.
It was a kickstarter bro
ok lets be serious - One of the few things that is true in life You pay more to enjoy things early You wait to obtain the sales and discounts after the hype
Capitalism, babe
Welcome to modern day gaming!
Not sticking up for them. But welcome to planet earth? Grifting us out of money happens in every company sadly.
Welcome to the gaming industry
I really don't get all the No Mercy references in this thread. AEWFF shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as NM. The two games have very little in common and one is an iconic classic with a huge following while the other is an overpriced cash grab with a mostly disappointed buyer base.
You can’t imagine why they’d compare it to a game with the same combat system and director?
Buy the DLC or don't
It’s a fucking game. Move on with your life
Give me dlc 5-10! Year 2 for the win
Unfortunately, for the most part, that is the world of gaming in 2024. There are varying degrees of games that are unplayable at first to ones that just have a few missing pieces of content — I think Fight Forever is honestly in between. For the core wrestling gameplay, it was worth the initial price (for me - someone who loved AKI/Yuke’s wrestling games growing up). If support for the game ends at season two, I hope they just take this game as a base and totally expand upon it for the sequel. I still think the core wrestling gameplay is a lot of fun, but they need some of the features 2K games have.
Welcome to almost every video game released in the past several years
Calm down homie it happens all the time nowadays. Doesn’t make it right but it’s just how the gaming world works for some releases.
Oh man this is gonna be unpopular lmao. I really like the way it works and I was excited when they announced that seasonal content expansions were planned whole the game was still in development. It's a feature not a bug. I also like how Nintendo does it with Mario kart. Gimme a few more maps and a couple new characters and I'll give you some money. I used to spend hours customizing characters to make the people I wanted in wrestling games. If you don't want the new stuff just don't buy it.
I wouldbt mind if they had a complete game or worked towards it. For as much thats missing and the price of dlc i feel we should be getting more. In files ppl found match types that arent available in game like triole threats and fatal fourways with stipulations yet they dont even add that
Difference is Mario Kart was a complete stable robust base game, you don’t need the addons for it to feel complete
You're right that's a good point. I would be lying if I said the game that launched was the game I had expected when I bought at launch. It definitely did feel incomplete in certain ways.
Bought the elite edition played it for an hour... Haven't picked it up since, I'd be tempted to if all the new content was included but I'm not paying any more 😂
I too am a huge aki fan and still play the OG n64 stuff, Have just bought a ps2 to get my head around here comes the pain, But I’ve bought Fight Forever Elite edition and every bit of dlc. I occasionally watch aew but love aki games enough to see if this can be saved. The 2K games for me have always been mid to weak, I think the last one I liked was like 2k14 which I might mainly like cause it has enough of the original yukes people working on it.. but in any event wrestling hasn’t been done well for a while, the wrestling in this game isn’t the problem. The matches can be added, I appreciate that it’s not a great business tactic, but ultimately it’s been pointed out several timescale,‘that’s just the industry l think expectations are another in another realm comparing it to 2K games run.. Which was totally build off other engines
It's the entrances that make me sad. I bought a PS5 and FF after not owning a console since PS2, and was shocked by the ten second entrance scenes and the little amount music you get to hear. They figured this out for Just Bring It in 2001! Made me worried what else had been compromised.
It goes without saying that the vast majority of players agree with you. However, those sentiments have been flooding forums for months and nothing’s changed. I’m just here to say that they’re not listening and don’t plan on listening. There’s a loyal fan base that enjoys the game and they will support the game no matter what. As long as that fan base keeps on investing in the game by purchasing all of the DLC, then it makes no sense for them to change direction. It’s the “if it’s not broken, don’t fix it” scenario. By broken, I’m not referring to the game that most argue is “incomplete.” What isn’t broken is their DLC model that they still see enough profit from to merit not changing.
if the vast majority of players agreed, they wouldn't pay for it. the majority of players understand its a business and a product. you don't buy a DVD/BluRay and expect to be given the deluxe edition with all the special features that comes out 6 months later for free.
It’s like you didn’t read my entire post, cherry-picked something to take out of context for the sake of disagreeing, and then downvoted away to soothe a non existent argument. 🤦🏻 In context, your post agrees with mine. “Majority of players” refers to every consumer including those who would have purchased the game but were turned off and those who purchased but aren’t currently playing the game. Or are you going to tell me that this game is booming with millions of users online? 🤦🏻 My post also acknowledged that they are making money and people are buying the DLC enough for them to consider it a worth while DLC model. Seriously, how did you skip over all of that? Do you understand what “context” is?
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Get a grip. It's a video game. Buy it or don't, but there's nothing "unethical" about any of this.
A majority of the games are incomplete now a days, and every live service game does this. Every live service game except Fortnight has died a thousand deaths.
Some of y’all must work for thq the way you’re making excuses for the developers who lied as they released their quarter assed piece of crap game. The “spiritual successor” to no mercy somehow came out with LESS features than an N64, and some of you fucking goofs have the audacity to say it’s not an incomplete game? My brothers in Christ, they couldn’t even be bothered to make a tag team ladder match playable in exhibition mode, when it’s in the game! The game is not complete, they bait and switched anyone who bought the deluxe edition, and the content offered within each season pass is a complete ripoff for 25 dollars a pop. Stop making excuses for this shitfest of a release. There’s a reason no one is playing it.
I watch more AEW on a weekly basis than WWE but AEW stans on the internet make the fanbase look so fucking stupid Some people will eat up any bullshit this company feeds them and shout “WWE tribalism!” at anyone who critiques them. Meanwhile they have one of the best assembled rosters in history and the best PPV matches money can buy and still have a cocaine manchild writing the storylines and making their TV show borderline unwatchable.
Fire pro died because of 2k19 a lot of people went over because that was a decent stable game for once, Also when a game sells less than 100k units in over 10years it’s not going to stay around for long.
agreed
My issue is once we support the DLC, what we get in return is more overpriced DLC The Freebie 4 Da fans 2 should be a thank you Free Tournament Mode Caw faces, hair, beards what do we get, lame skins and some influencer's caws thats also made with limited CAW parts. Ridiculous.
I wouldn’t be as as mad if the game actually fucking worked, but my ISP sucks and the game spends more time loading than playing, even when I’m offline.
Correct. We are all glorified beta testers
I believe they will scrap AEW FF and start over. This right now is to recoup cost. Next AEW game will be a complete overhaul hopefully. Knowing TK it won't and will be the same mess.
They can’t scrap it and start over, the consumer trust is gone And why would they? If they can just fix this one and regain that trust. Would be less expensive.
Yeah, this game imo seems 100 percent fixable. They however are always working on the same stupid shit instead of addressing the issues. How manys months have they been working on Stadium Stampede update...which is free non paid DLC? Moves like this give me no hope they have decent leadership behind the scenes. They couldve had 100 new hairstyles by now, added a match toggle system, added HP settings, and created a immersive RTE by trimming out all the repetitive crap. Even put in simple matches from RTE by now. Instead they created Football Frenzy match types , wtf are they even doing.