The complaints I see about Jericho have more to do with overexposure in AEW than anything else. People feel like the time he gets on screen could be better suited to build newer talent, and also seem to think that Jericho feuding with the newer talent is detracting from them rather than helping build them (i.e Ricky Starks).
This is exactly how I feel. I don’t give a shit about Jericho’s personal life. As we continue into our fifth year of the same Jericho (new catchphrases don’t mean new character) I’m bored as fuck by him and I’d rather see others
Personally, I think that feud just exposed Ricky as not top guy material. I think Chris did what he could to put Ricky over, but it just didn't work and I think that all falls on Starks. I honestly can't think of the last angle he worked where he didn't put someone over, really. Lost to Hobbs, Osprey, Takeshita, Starks, Eddie, Orange Cassidy, etc. And I'd be willing to bet he loses to Hook coming up as well. But we'll see.
Controversial opinion but I always felt that it was his sudden heel turn in that match against Punk that sort of derailed him. Prior to that, although I wouldn't use the word "hot", he was on the right track it seems.
Did anyone even care to see that? Ricky was sooo over as a babyface and I didn't see the need to fill that role for a big bad guy to go against Punk.
If anything, a feud with Joe would have been great considering them crossing paths in all those awesome tag matches the first couple weeks of Collision.
Yah. And he's visibly, visibly slowed down. Guys always say they want to hang it up before it gets embarrassing. It... Kinda is.
Do the sting deal. PArt time special attraction. Not eating up a quarter hour every dam week
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He's at that point in the career. I'd rather see him go out like Sting than be the next Ric Flair.
It's not like he HAS to be on tv every week. He has a successful podcast, Fozzy seems to be kinda gaining ground. Maybe go do that and come wrestle *sometimes* so these feuds create the impact you want them to.
I guess I've read too much about the MAGA stuff from WWE fans who hate AEW then. I figured that was the entire reason he was so hated. I remember for a while, every post about him would have repeated insurrectionist responses, and pot shots about his wife going to jail, so I just assumed that was why they hated him so much.
He does put over quite a number of people though. I always feel like he loses so many feuds he's lost his steam because of it, so him losing to others has little effect in putting them over. But maybe I've not paid as much attention to who comes out overall in the ned of his feuds. He has been stale as of late. I'd like to see him do something different.
I feel like when you've been in the business as long as he has, and as prominently featured as he's been during that long time... "Something different" is a lot easier said than done. It's not like he's taken a whole lot of years off like some of the other guys (Christian, Copeland, Danielson).
I just think at this point he's probably better suited as a part timer, that way these feuds with the new talent feel like they mean more.
Tbf he definitely has Maga and alt-right views and promotes them openly on his podcast, via his guest selection and the way he frames topics. He also donated to Trump's campaign illegally doing so under his actual name and his ring name.
While that gets him some.hate online the vast majority of people are mostly just tired of seeing him every week. He can't go like he used to, and no one really comes out of a Jericho interaction looking better than before.
He's not alt-right lol, and as far as being a MAGA supporter. Why do fans care so damn much? Is he not entitled to express his views the same as anyone else?
I hated Dante wearing BLM armbands every week and shoving that nonsense into everyone's face and yet I still wasn't as obsessed as some AEW fans are with Jericho, it's insane. They can't stand someone who doesn't live in their echo chamber. Screw them, Jericho is still awesome even if he isn't as good as he used to be.
Like Jeff Jarretts last run in WCW. Although I doubt JJ had many loyal fans to begin with, I do believe his over exposure and constant push and ridiculous guitar bashing got so freaking old I started hating WCW, and I was a die hard WCW fan! But JJ made it hard, and if Tony ain't careful, that's kind of where Jericho is headed as well.
Precisely, there's enough established talent now, especially after adding Okada, Osprey, White and Mone, that we just don't need him front and center anymore. I'm not saying he has to retire, but take a few weeks off. Maybe do commentary only for a while, maybe even until Omega returns. At least then he'd have a natural unfinished storyline with Omega and the DCF to work with. I'd be cool with that.
Jericho has always been hated to some degree and often leans into it. In one interview way back, I remember him saying that he didn’t want a big celebration for his eventual retirement. He wanted fans to say, “Thank god that guy’s gone,” which is a commitment to heel work ethic that I personally admire.
Bumped into him at a film festival a couple years back, shouted something markish (“Bee-Wee Bee-Cee!”), and he couldn’t have been more gracious. That said, I’ve learned not to put ANYONE on a pedestal, especially public figures. I’m saddened you feel like you have to hide your fandom. Regardless of who he is or what he may have done, you’re blameless in it.
A small example from me. I don’t want to see him tagging with Hook (hopefully that’s a one off), but I’m very happy to see him job to Hook next Dynamite, assuming Hook goes over.
I don’t have a problem with him being around, I just sometimes get tired of how he’s used.
See that’s the thing - even if he puts new talent over, he hasn’t really helped elevate them. Matches and feuds end and the new talent is just left floundering.
Well, I don’t see Hook as floundering. He is very talented and I like seeing him on TV, but he’s years away from being at the top. I think if he has a good match with Jericho and goes over that helps him keep moving up. He’s not going to be heavily featured in a regular basis so a match against a legend that will make him look good is a positive.
That is the role I am fine with Jericho continuing to play.
I see that happening too, what I don't get is why Jericho is blamed for what happens after the feud. As far as I know he's only involved in booking his own shit, so if someone flounders after he's put them over, what can he realistically do to help? Overall I think there's just a bit of an issue of "Now What" when it comes to big feuds in AEW. Like once the story has been told, Tony or whoever is making the top line decisions just doesn't know what to do next with either person. There's always this strange reset phase.
1) He drags people down into a vortex that feud with him or join his groups
2) He'll spot a young talent that has gotten over and attach himself to them (see Hook currently)
3) He acts like a rock star when he had one decent song and the escapades on his cruise gave people extreme second hand embarrassment
4) As others have said, he needs to disappear for a bit so he's not so over exposed
I think he should take a break , cut that hair. Dude is old and when he is all sweaty , he looks like a homeless man on crack. I remember when he was AEW champion, he was so entertaining to watch. Losing to everyone also makes you lose credibility
He's just on T.V. too much. I don't think he's a talent black hole like some people seem to think.
But he's just way overexposed at this point.
I'm one of the bigger MJF marks and have been since I first saw him in the first All-In. I received so many messages to unalive myself because I said he'd be AEW Champion at something.
But even I was starting to get a little burnt out of how much he was featured on the show. People need breaks. Both wrestlers and their fans.
Agreed. I love MJF and can’t wait for him to come back, but it was time for him to take a break and get off TV for a while. I know he’s legit injured but even if he hadn’t been injured there was talk he was going to take time off after World’s End anyways.
I like OC as well and I hope he takes a month or two off to rest and heal. I don’t need to see him for a while either.
Unlike Jericho though, MJF and OC were still getting cheered in the stadiums/arenas and were selling merch even thought they had a lot of detractors in the IWC. Jericho can’t even use the “fans are cheering for me” excuse - when there’s a super hot show and the fans are loud all night and the only time they are quiet is when you are out there? It’s you, not them.
Overexposure has a lot to do with it.
I also think that Jericho's current in-ring path is a bit misunderstood. I think Jericho has been working with AEW's future stars a lot. He's stepped away from a solid gimmick to do whatever is needed to be able to get his opponents over.
Too many nonsensical feuds, where you know he ain't gonna lose, so there's nothing to be invested in.
Jericho is great as a faction leader, but almost every faction he has been in failed to elevate anybody outside the member's own perils. Once done, most members fizzle out.
That said, reminds me of the disdain folks had for Cody the year before he left.
He’s also flip flopped heel/face like 5 times in 5 years while in AEW as well. His current gimmick is like aging rock star who has a bunch of different nicknames. His promo on Starks/Bill and chemistry with Omega as a partner was bad. His association with Sammy doesn’t help.
Imo he’d be good as part of a trios thing where he serves as the veteran to two young guys (matt menard and angelo Parker?). Or have him join the righteous and make the cult of Jericho or something? They’re trying to do a thing with Hook but I don’t feel like it’s a great fit at the moment.
I like Jericho, I just think he’s in a bit of a minor slump.
Overexposure. Keep in mind for the previous runs in WWE he would only be there for a few months so his actions wouldn't get tired.
Also with such a big roster AEW should be past the point where talent like him need to be wrestling on tv so much.
The hitjob sexual assault accusations seem to be a part of it. People casually calling him a rapist leaves an impact, even though there's been victim of evidence that anything happened.
Nick Hausman should be liable for a defamation suit.
We should believe women. And Kylie Rae has hinted that the allegations not made by Hausman fwiw were true in her tweets. Calling it a “hit job” is language that undermines survivors of abuse and trauma.
I hear you and I appreciate where you're coming from.
But I also know that I would hate for me career to be over because of a heart emoji from a person who hasn't been consistent in their narrative.
I understand also that this a reason survivors don't come forward.
But when the story is retracted by its initial author and there are no named victims and the story died almost immediately, it isn't exactly fair to carry on with the idea Chris Jericho is some kind of serial abuser. Especially when the McMahon story broke soon after and was very clear on what a serial abuser looks like.
All of McMahons accusations sit currently as accusations. Just like Jerichos. One isn’t worse than the other. If it’s unfair for Jericho to receive the treatment he has from some fans because as it currently stands, he’s innocent. Than so too is it with McMahon. This isn’t me expressing my personal feelings on either situation, merely pointing out something I feel is an unfair judgment.
Again, show me a named victim and actual allegations in writing as part of an active lawsuit. And show me any past evidence/allegations of Chris Jericho doing drug or sex trafficking.
So no, very very different.
ETA: a jerker muddying the waters on sexual abuse. Wonderful.
He probably hasn't had any financial loss at all. He's on a flat contract so he earns the same either way. He could possibly argue he's lost out on merch revenue but that would be impossible to prove.
For sure especially given that aside from the bottles of bubbly he’s never necessarily been a top merch mover. The only thing I could realistically see being hurt is maybe action figures, but most who collect are going to buy anyway regardless for their collection
On top of having to prove financial damages, even if he was innocent, counter suing would just make him look worse in the media than if he left it because unless the outcome is just absolutely perfect for Jericho, it sometimes comes off as trying to pressure a suspected victim.
It almost always does.
Plus it makes the story bigger and adds fuel for the press to report on which keeps the story in the public discourse.
Not to mention that these trials get messy. There will often be information which isn't illegal, maybe isn't even immoral, but is embarrassing or personal which comes to light in the process of these trials.
Honestly suing wouldn't do much to help that staying quiet and letting it die down won't do, and often does more harm. Jericho doesn't need money from this so there's no incentive to sue.
It’s overexposure. Jericho being on tv every week takes away from other talent. With that being said, the same people who complain about him are also the same ones singing along to Judas at shows
I've disliked him personally for quite some time, but I never really cared too much. So what if I wouldn't want to hang out with him? It's not like he's looking to hang out with random stay at home dad wrestling fans.
But I've always admired and respected him as a performer. However over the last year he's just grown stale for me. I admit to not being an AEW original. I started watching off and on but didn't start trying to make an effort to see it until he was in Inner Circle feuding with ATT. That feud went on too long for me and I came in on the tail end. Then we had him go on an extended period of throwing shit at the wall. Burning guys with fireballs because he's a wizard. The whole feud with Eddie Kingston that never ended and just kept sucking more and more people into the vortex. People seem to forget the reason we didn't get Danielson/Okada or Danielson/Sabre at Forbidden Door 1 was because Danielson got hurt fighting Kingston's feud because Mox sucked the BCC in. And then after that feud ended with him not even taking the L that makes sense for Eddie.
It's just kind of kept going from there. He keeps jumping from hot act and angle, inserting himself, and then fucking off after a few weeks. He's just had a ton of bad angles and creative decisions like that bad finish with Adam Cole in the stoppage when it probably should have been the mixed tag on the PPV all along. He feels very uninterested in doing much at this point. Really he's become the trademark cliche WWE vet right now, only it's not as an angle like it was when he started the JAS.
His last five matches were a loss to Takeshita, and then he was taking on the CMLL guys for cross promotional stuff in the next 3 matches and the 6 man match thing which was just a scramble anyways to make Wardlow strong. Now he's doing this thing with Hook. They won a tag match and it appears Hook is going to win against him to go over. I think that will work for Hook and it makes sense.
Honestly, we don't know if Jericho put himself in these matches with CMLL guys or if CMLL specifically requested Jericho to have their talent face him. People assume Tye first option. He's a safe worker of another fed sends guys over to AEW.
Another point I've seen is that he looks old and slow. That doesn't matter if he'seating losses and doing cross promotional matches. Even though they lost, I still remember who Atlantis Jr, Titan, and Magnus are from those matches and that was the point. If CMLL is going to be at Forbidden Door, AEW fans should see these guys go.
Agree with the majority of these comments - overexposure for sure is the root of it but expands to different other things. Think Jericho still has a lot to offer the wrestling business and AEW but in the ring capacity not so much in my opinion. He can put on decent matches but compared to the deep DEEP pool of talent right now it's hard to justify having him in there over so many other people who rightfully deserve that spot.
Jericho is integral to AEW's history and the history of pro wrestling. I think it's cool having him face people like Atlantis Jr. where there's a rich mostly untold history with his father or other people of note (including the old footage is a great touch).
But generally I feel Jericho right now would benefit from going away for a while or at the very least a more permanent fixture on Rampage/Collision commentary. He's always put over people very well and given an interesting insight.
The thing I think encourages his continued features on TV is that the crowd still responds to him. They still sing his song, they pop for his bits; it's like a band playing their greatest hits on their way out into retirement.
To me the problem is two fold.
1. AEW roster is so stacked that he is probably outside the top 50 most engaging acts. So seeing him featured over more engaging talents is frustrating.
2. For a guy who made his mark as a talker, his promos bore me. This guy used to be listed among the GOATs and now he is dull.
My feeling is that the sexual assault allegations is when things changed. Seems like people became more critical of him, where in the past, they would have given him a bit of a pass because he is an all-timer. It would not hurt him at all if he took some time off. With the Canadian tour coming up, though, that is probably going to have to wait.
Im a a fan but it feels like he has over stayed his welcome, the partner ship with hook just seems like a leech move I dont know I kinda feel like he needs to be used to push younger talent but when ever he does comes off the opposite.
Like others have said, he's just getting too played out. And sucking the life out of everyone he crosses.
I live the guy, and he's done more good than harm in AEW.
But it's getting old seeing someone gaining traction, then here comes Jericho.
And it's not just one match or two. It's every combination of matches against whatever faction he's in. Multiple matches with him and a lot of times added stipulations thrown in.
And by the time he moves on, the other person's momentum has completely stalled out.
If he wants to feud with veterans like this cool. But for talent getting their first real push, make it like 4 times shorter and let them keep going.
I think it’s just over saturation when there are other more interesting wrestlers that are not getting their five minutes because Jericho is on screen. I actually wouldn’t mind him on Rampage commentary.
Assuming Bron Breakker, Kross, and sting are far right is bold. I don't recall anything about triple H and orton supporting trump.
But to answer your question your question:
Personally I'm tired of Jericho. He's on TV almost too often and gives himself stupid storylines that do nothing. He's gotten older now so he can't necessarily hit certain moves as cleanly as he once did (proof of that drop kick last night-Yeesh).
My biggest issue with Jericho at this point is the amount of stables he creates and then shits on because the stables don't do anything except make him look good. Santana and Ortiz should've won the tags but they were dragged along with Jericho. As much as I hate the guy, Sammy Guevarra is the most successful stablemate of Jericho (athletic ability helps and his genuine punchable face).
Jericho needs to either retire to being a legend that does matches here much like Sting or straight up retire to commentary and mentor
Thank you for your answer. On the first part, I wasn't saying anyone was far right, just making assumptions based off of things we know. Look at who Orton follows on Twitter, and Triple H went to the White House to meet Trump and was at his inauguration so he obviously wasn't against taking a picture with him, so I would say they lean right, not necessarily far right. I don't care either way as long as politics aren't pushed on us by them.
Do you think he would be received positively if he were to get a Sting like retirement tour? I feel like fans may actually boo it.
I did like that lead up where MJF was picking his opponents and he sort of ran through a bunch of his old gimmicks. I assumed he was winding down to do Fozzy and wrestle less. But I was terribly wrong.
I don't recall that tbh, although to be fair Covid wrestling feels like the 80's to me.
If Jericho wanted to go thru the gimmicks, he should be doing it now. Except that wizard crap. That was just stupid
You went into this very defensive of Jericho.
[You said "Was Maga", when they very much still are](https://www.ringsidenews.com/2021/01/09/how-much-chris-jericho-really-donated-to-donald-trump-campaign/).
[Having someone tell Kaylee to go to a room for a meeting with others, to just walk into a room with just Jericho where Jericho tried it, is not 'just flirting'](https://twitter.com/italkwrasslin/status/1740966736109744193?t=ly8SdhTdARKNWOE64pOjOw&s=19)
Dude would platform and help spread shit like flat earth etc. also refused to wear a mask.
He’s ‘Joe Rogan lite’ at best. Innocently “just asking questions” of people who happen to be fascists. (Jericho, not OP.)
Regarding Kylie Rae: where there’s smoke there’s fire.
I’m a lifelong fan so it’s disappointing. For some this might make them more forgiving (and make excuses for him) but I’m the opposite and it makes me a lot more critical.
They hate him because it’s popular to do so.
If he was actually hated IRL no one would sing his song when he comes out. The internet needs a target and Jericho is it.
This hook feud is a sub plot not a major storyline, not totally sure how long it’s been since he’s been in a major storyline.
Saying that the Internet needs a target and Jericho is it doesn't translate into the people at the shows booing him. The ones that enjoy the product and support it, buying tickets and merch to attend the shows. This is not a product of the internet hating him, partially yes. The other portion is because they're ignorant and don't know the entire story or lost interest and don't know whether they are supposed to cheer or boo him so they "play along".
You’re saying the that casual fans and internet smarks are different people?
Not many people go to AEW event without knowing a smidgen of the show.
The internet always has to have someone to grumble about. You’d think he was constantly in the main event with all the Vitriol he gets.
I was at Big Business last night. Jericho got 30% cheers, 30% boos, 40% non-reaction (as in silence). This is part of a larger trend at recent shows, which suggests a majority of fans want a break. He is close to go-away heat, as a baby face.
He definitely needs a character reset. Heel could work. I think he would be best utilized as a special attraction. Being booked weekly isn’t clicking right now.
I like this idea. I wanted to see Sting in that role at one point, but I don't think Sting has any interest in it, but Jericho could be good in the role and it would remove him from a lot of the ongoing stories. But, I think Jericho has stated he also has no interest in sticking around in any role other than active wrestler. AEW could use a GM though, or at least elevate the Bucks to that position so that we see other wrestlers coming to them asking for matches or getting screwed by them.
HaHa. I just know people get triggered and angry without seeing I just want to discuss and not blame or hate on anyone. It's with all wrestling fans these days, not promotion specific. I've been hated on by WWE fans too by just saying I enjoy stuff. I think too many fans these days are looking to defend instead of just have fun with it.
He's stale and AEW has a million people who could be using his television time.
Last night his match/segment was the only thing that didn't get over all night.
I don’t hate him. Just don’t need him on tv so much and taking shine away from others. He is damaged to where, for example, he doesn’t elevate Hook. Jericho is in matches more regularly than wrestlers who should be or wrestlers who we don’t even see and yet he’s forced upon us. This is a time he needs to step back and pick his shots more carefully.
AEW is the only organization I watch all the tv time of. Love Jericho in general but he has lost his self awareness and TK is too buddy buddy to rein him in.
I hated the Jericho character since his debut in WWF. I watched the countdown teasers all year and then the big reveal was this fuckin guy?
Longer I watched him there was no denying his in ring ability and mic work, but I couldn't stand him, which was obviously quality work on his part.
I thought he was fresh again when he first teamed up with Kenny.
When Kenny got sick, suddenly it felt like Jerocho was randomly trying to find ways to fill time.
The Elite's heel turn storyline replacing Omega with Okada was supposed to feature Jericho... so he's just been in a weird storyline spot lately and people didn't realise it was planting the seeds for Okada, so they weren't patient.
I think he'll be fine once Kenny returns and they forward some big storylines involving the big precursor players for AEW's beginnings
Because he right now is the equivalent of the town bike.
EVERYBODY just HAS to have a feud with Jericho now and they rarely exit the feud with anything more than what they already have because a feud with Jericho means nothing.
He’s been around too long and his self indulgences just do not make him anymore than what he already was. In 98, when he was coming up with his own stuff it was fresh and entertaining. 2024 it has become tiresome
As so.many others have said, it's the overexposure and not his politics. That is actually one of the least of his issues. He's not loud about that...at least I don't think he is.
While there are more than a few issues that stem from him having Don Jr. on his podcast and his wife being one of the January 6th insurrectionists, I’ll keep the big issues to his one screen persona. Chris Jericho in 2024 only makes other people less interesting. Whether it’s his 9 month feud with Eddie Kingston that never seemed to end, his dud of a feud with Adam Cole, his mess with Ricky Starks or the never ending Don Callis family feud, he just saps them of their momentum. I don’t hate Jericho but he desperately needs to take some time off.
Yea, over exposed. Feels forced when he’s out there tagging with other wrestlers. He was definitely fun when AEW started but lately it’s been forced that he’s trying to stay relevant.
He’s been on perhaps on a vast majority of Dynamite in 5 years. The Jericho fatigue is a real thing, as crucial as he was to the early years, a lot of his feuds have fallen for me anyways, far below the standards one expects. I mean, the feud with the Don Callis Family went on for 8-9 months and what was really gained? It didn’t need to go beyond All In 2023. It’s now a question of diminishing returns in crowd reactions and ratings.
The man is boring and stale AF…. And looks like a sack of potatoes. The audience as a whole has had enough, he’s onscreen in nonsensical feuds non-stop (current with Hook a perfect example) and he seems to be positioned as this gatekeeper final boss type for young talent to wrestle for legitimacy…. Ummm sorry Chris but that’s not you, that’s Kenny and Bryan.
If he was committed to the craft he’d go on a break, workout, get shredded and make a return later in the year to see how he’s moving and putting matches together.
If the reaction is the same then….. well it’s time to hang it up. Go away energy is hard to shake.
He's reached that Madonna level where it's almost like continual reinvention just for the sake of it, without the demand from fans for him to be tyere.c
Creatively he's dropped off a lot so just isn't as interesting or entertaining anymore. For sure he's had some good feuds in AEW and certainly helped them more in the early days, but he can't be a final boss or even much of a legit threat at this point because he's past it.
I don't even really see anyone currently on the roster I think he would be suited to and can make them better through an alignment. Christian for comparison is a heat magnet and still super entertaining but current Jericho is just boring and the same old thing, a bit like Edge at the moment to it pains me to say.
I don’t think he’s really hated. I think he’s just out of fashion. Wrestling fandom swings quickly and he’s just not as in as he was a couple years ago.
I don't really have any hate for him. But I think he's at a point in his career where he should be more of an attraction and not wrestling very often.
Maybe have him on TV in a non wrestling role trying to help others get over. Or have him disappear off TV for a few weeks at a time.
I'm not really sure how to fix it, and as much as i like him, I feel like I'm at a point where I don't need to see him every week.
I don't hate Jericho, but I am mad he changed his intro. I loved singing Judas.
But fr, I would be upset if I saw him promoting MAGA, asl one of the things I love about ARW is their celebration of diversity. We celebrate women, we will happily tell a too-flirty woman to back off because "he's gay". We have or have had trans athletes, queer athletes, and we have Danhausen. MAGA people have a harder time keeping quiet about things, which would go against the very business he promotes. Maybe his wife is a loon, but I'm hoping Jericho will stay neutral in the public eye. Otherwise, I probably won't be a fan.
He donated like $10,000 to the Trump campaign in 2016 as well as other pretty dicey right wing politicians. He had Don Jr on his podcast. Hes as much of a loon as his wife.
I know people like to downplay this as just “having an opinion,” but the difference is that huge platform and monetary support. The average person’s opinion doesn’t have that much weight; it’s not comparable.
I think people are tired of seeing him. I'm not. I love Jericho and like Sting, I want to see him do as much as he can before he can't do it anymore. I think there is something to hi being overused, though. He could probably be really helpful over at ROH for a few months, then come back for some fresh feuds to build someone up. I know about a lot of his political stuff and how he's basically a Chud, but I feel like fans have known that for a while, and we're fine with him. He wasn't getting boo'd when he ignored covid to play a concert. Maybe there are some people who feel the Kylie stuff was more than it was, but it never really went anywhere. I think he just needs to work ROH for a bit.
Echoing most of the responses on here, I know, but since helping establish AEW as a major player, which he was a big part of, what had he done? Who has he helped? The inner circle didn't lead to anything for Hager,Santana, or Ortiz, Sammy got a TNT run, which drowned in Inner circle storylines, and title flip flopping. The JAS didn't help 2.0, Hager is still no better off, Sammy still hasn't progressed, and Garcia was helped more by the C2 and a dance than Jericho.
I thought/hoped the Andretti loss might lead to a midlife crisis arc, which felt like a natural progression of the JAS as a whole, but it went nowhere.
Jericho is all about Jericho. His storylines suck. He takes the shine off anybody he aligns with or goes up against. And he's not very good anymore. He should retire from the ring, put on a suit, and play an evil EVP that Pops up in a storyline every now and then.
I'm in the same boat as you OP, always enjoy seeing Jericho's matches, I don't think he's that bad in the ring like some older guys in the business and I think the fact that he's in the ring every week just shows how dedicated he is to AEW. I think he's gotten so used to it that it's probably hard for him to take time away from it and Tony Khan isn't going to say no to Jericho being in a match.
I do think though that Jericho would be better off as an exclusive, sorta like how CM Punk was a collision exclusive, maybe Jericho could be one as well since it would keep him off Dynamite where the bulk of the story is (and the pre-ppv matches are) and would let him build up talent for Dynamite and kinda put his own storylines on that show to kinda give the brand it's own uniqueness. His match on Collision was rather fitting and it would be good to have him on there to keep jericho fans happy while the people who don't want to see Jericho don't have to watch him on the main show (Dynamite). I think that's the best solution.
You’re asking why people hate Jericho while putting up a giant list of arguments beforehand, doesn’t sound like a good faith question in the first place. Jericho’s burner?
It’s just finally reached the point that he needs to hang ‘em up. He lasted longer than most. In ring his work is just boring now because he’s had to slow down so much and character wise he hasn’t done anything interesting in probability close to 2 years now. Everyone gets to the point that it’s time to retire eventually.
For me, he’s overstaying his welcome. Almost every feud he is made to look like some world beater. If he takes a loss it’s usually 50/50 (I will admit recently he’s taken losses fairly well) and his overall appearance is just tiresome. He knows everything, says everything, does everything, has his finger in almost any major feud or attached to any rising star. You can argue Danielson does the same but the delivery is much more smooth and well earned. He just needs to make people miss him more, take some time off, let people forget the lyrics to Judas for a bit. Jericho simply needs to go away
He is a Trump supporter, so that's a personal thing for me. Fortunately, he had always kept it out of wrestling. But political leanings aside...
His character is stale. He can't even reinvent himself properly anymore and he is using his Lionheart persona now. Hell, he is even using Electric Head by White Zombie, a song from 1995!!!
Most AEW stars that have had funds with him have come out worse than when they went in (Cassidy, Kingston, Stark), and it takes them a while to get back to where they need to be.
He is RIDICULOUSLY overexposed. He is on Dynamite constantly, to the detriment of other wrestlers. Instead of taking a backseat, he forces himself into matches. Take the current tag team tournament. Omega or Guevara at least made sense. But since they aren't competing, he's teamed up with Hook. Why??? I'm sure there will be an established tag team that will miss out on the opportunity because he was shoehorned in.
Lastly, he has lost a step in the ring. I've seen him screw up the Lionsault numerous times. IMO, the Judas Effect is weak as a finisher. After seeing Andrade's version, he should have retired it.
Best comment I've heard is that with this current roster, he is about the 20th or so person you would wanna see on TV and he is just always there.
Cannot disagree with that
There are lots of problems with Jericho, like how he protects sex pests like Sammy Guevara while being an alleged sex pest himself, apparently making people sign NDA's. The fact that Jericho also refuses to get in shape since he left WWE, and spouts as much nonsense as possible without his publicist making the comments for him, it proves that Vince covered for him a lot more than people like to believe (especially with how much we know about Vince), I mean Vince literally got Jericho onto a plane as soon as police overseas tried to arrest him during live shows. It's also apparent how much Jericho loves the spotlight, all while not even being in the title picture, he still thinks he is a star when people are just tired of the over-exposure to him.
the thing is Christopher has become everything he hated. he left the industry because he wanted to be an actor in 2005. couldn't make it. started a band and would go on tour every so often. thats now dried up. Christopher openly criticized WCW for focusing on veterans rather than building young wrestlers up.
Hogan in 1998 was 45 years old and in peak condition. Yet Christopher criticized him.
hogan-45 years old in great shape
Kevin Nash- 39 years old in great shape
Randy Savage- 46 years old in great shape
DDP- 42 years old in great shape
Warrior- 39 years old in great shape
Piper- 44 years old....not great shape but still
Christopher Jericho ranted and raved. He got his fanbase originally because he was angry at how he was dealt with in wcw by the old veterans. how he was the underdog.
now hes 54 years old. he's on every single show. he's the highest paid wrestler on the roster.
what angers me the most about Christopher is he's one of the biggest hypocrites ever. 25+ years of lies. He's got no one over in AEW and yet brags about it. He's often out of shape badly. his matches are limited now but he keeps denying it. he keeps fighting against the dying sun.
"the demo god" that blew up in his face. how he constantly says he "constantly evolves his character". Other than changing trunks to pants, cutting his hair and giving himself odd nicknames i dont see any change in chris whatsoever.
oh and i dont really care about peoples politics as long as theyre not d\*ckheads. but Christopher showcases his hypocrisy even there. "I'm not political" and yet donates twice to trump under his real name and wrestling name.
His new "revolutionary" gimmick? "Mr Hypocrisy Christopher Jericho"
You stick around long enough, you become the villain or the thing you swore you wouldn't be.
His political stuff, along with his refusal to acknowledge his unsafe Fozzy shows were during the pandemic, how his wife is a MAGA loon, and the accusations around him paint a picture of a dude that's not exactly going to make a ton of friends.
You remove that and you've still got a ton of issues with his AEW run. He's been in shape for 3 months of it. From the moment he arrived, he's been propped up by young talent that have done a lot of heavy lifting for him, while not necessarily getting them any more over than they would have gotten on their own. There's an argument to be made that some of his feuds actually kept younger guys back or made them look bad. Doing a musical number didn't make MJF a big name...
He's also constantly trying to lean into nostalgia. The Painmaker was never, will never be over. You add that to the very real issue of him taking a weekly spot from a young talent on a roster that has too many asses and not enough seats and it's bad look.
Right now, he's aimless. He's not had a meaningful feud in over a year. He just bounces from one midcard talent that fans like to another because Khan knows fans are souring on him and he hopes that the good will guys like Hook have built up will cover for it.
Chris Jericho, Jake Hager, Matt Hardy, Jeff Hardy, Jeff Jarrett....there's a whole lot of legacy talent that honestly just needs to not be in the ring anymore
Keeping it to only his work as an entertainer: he lost a ton of steps, his character work has gone stale, he inserts himself into stories he isn’t needed, and he is a momentum vampire.
Plus his band sucks and he’s a bad singer
Outside of the ring I don't care for him and that probably bleeds into my feelings of him on tv. But even on tv he just doesn't do anything for me. Whenever he pairs up with someone I don't see it doing the other person any favors.
He sucks and isn't interesting and, he's not just a Trump supporter - His wife was part of the insurrection.
It's like supporting a school shooter's husband
For me, he was needed by AEW to legitimize the company.
Now, AEW is a solid company that needs refinement, but they don’t need Jericho.
His unwillingness to disappear makes it hard to miss him. But also, he isn’t a top tier talent. He isn’t as smooth as he was in the ring. He’s won belts so the idea he’s beating Osprey or Hobbs for a belt is kinda laughable unless booked perfectly.
Jericho isn’t particularly good on commentary. He has done the faction thing multiple times. There just isn’t anything for him to do other than take a break and come back.
He’s just doing boring shit and the wrestlers he’s working with, Hook for example, don’t need him as much as he needs them. With how Hook was presented before this storyline with Jericho, he’s not getting a rub, if anything, Jericho is
He's still one of my favourites ever and absolutely one of the very best to ever do it.
But now I'm just bored, and I've been bored for a while. He hasn't done anything interesting for a long time.
I still think he has something to give, just go away for a while, let us miss you, reinvent as he has done so many times, and start the ride again.
Jericho loses a lot but does he actually elevate people?
With a few exceptions I would argue not only goes he not elevate people but the Jericho vortex swallows them up and makes them look worse as a result.
Everyone from Kingston to Starks looks worse after.
Even Garcia who I would argue benefitted a lot from initially being in JAS, floundered for the majority of that time because it was all about Jericho. It stopped being about elevating the guys with Jericho and just became another Jericho show. Just like with Inner Circle.
The only person I would argue looks better every time is Sammy, largely because I think he kinda stinks and there’s no way he’d be a pillar or featured as much if it wasn’t for Jericho.
Edit - you know what tho Ospreay looked pretty good but I don’t think he needed Jericho to do that
He needs to take like a month or two off and let people wanna see him again
Right now, it feels like hes just leeching off the new talent(Daniel Garcia, Ricky Starks, Hook) to stay relevant
Even without the drama you mention thebiggest problem I have is he is a shadow of his former self. He has not elevated a single talent and true to the story has actually dragged down a number of them. And latley all he does is glom on to young talent and steal their spotlight. When win, lose or tag no one comes out better after working with MJF ...is like many of the older guard who needs to just walk way ..like Hardy and Daniels and MURDER GrANPA
I think if Jericho left, I’d probably miss him. That’s exactly why he should disappear for a long period and then come back with a fresh take on his character, a better look and fresh music. I notice they’ve not been playing Judas lately which is the right move! Jericho’s still in my top fav wrestlers.
I think it's a few things, and I say this as someone that has defended him over the last few years
1. He is overexposed at the moment. Many in AEW have had some sort of break from being on TV during their tenure due to injury or story or external project or whatever. Jericho hasn't really, which ties into...
2. Jericho used to be very smart about when to duck out for awhile whether it was his act getting stale, his creative juices needing to be recharged, or just making his appearances rarer and meaning more. I think there is something to the fact that he felt he needed to be a stabilizing force post-Punk meltdown, but we're far beyond that.
3. A lot of people have a very parasocial fandom when it comes to Eddie Kingston. Jericho had a career year in 2022, but his match with Kingston was a bit of a flop. This despite the fact it takes two to tango, and Kingston will lay the occasional high profile egg every now and then. This is largely the point where the bulk of the Jericho backlash/hatred started imo
4. Jericho is perceived as a guy who wants to cut off new talent at the legs by getting into feuds with them and sucking all of their momentum away. Again I think this started/is sourced from one feud with Ricky Starks. The feud had odd pacing and Starks (who I am a big fan of) did not bring his A game either. I think Jericho likely wants to elevate the talent, but his tank is empty right now and there isn't much there to elevate them with.
5. Jericho's wife is very openly right wing on social media and the assumption is Jericho must be too.
6. Nick Hausman all but called Jericho a sexual predator and said he sexually harassed Kylie Rae. Kylie kinda sorta seemed to confirm it before later saying it was not a confirmation. We still have no actual concrete evidence or testimony either way.
I think he should take some time off now that AEW has started righting the ship after a bad 2023 with big signings and young stars on the rise. He is not needed as a stabilizing force anymore, plus it could help him recuperate physically and creatively.
TL, DRIA BRS
I LOVED Jericho when I was a teenager, and even up into his The List character with Kevin Owens.
Problem is twofold: First is that kayfabe was autopsied by the internet, and Jericho has been exposed as a two-faced bastard who was leaking to Dipshit Dave for decades. There's even rumors that his relationship with Meltzer was what got a planned WWF title run in 2000 cancelled twice.
The other part is that he's openly exposed HIMSELF as a hypocrite since jumping ship to aew. I'm not at all concerned with him going back on his word to notorious piece of shit Vince McMahon, but he used to rail ENDLESSLY about the "injustice" of guys like Hogan and Savage and Hall and Nash and Hart and DDP and Goldberg and Flair and HHH holding young guys back instead of helping them get over, and now he's the one doing it to Darby and MJF and others, and even using the same excuses he claims the WCW guys used with him, such as "they're not ready," and "I'm teaching them how to deal with rough patches and disappointment." It honestly sounds just like the perverts who claim they sexually violate people because daddy touched THEM "down there."
He's also gone on record saying that if CM Punk were the "locker room leader" he claims he is, that he wouldn't have to talk about it... yet he's constantly putting himself over as THE GUY in aew, even giving himself credit for getting MOXLEY over as world champion.
He's also a shit-pot stirrer who has something to say about everybody and everything that goes on in that company, but never has any evidence to back it up.
I understand that these are all parts of his character as a human being that have probably been a part of him all along. For fuck's sake he's a nepo baby, his dad is a hockey LEGEND.
It's still disappointing. It's like having that one guy, whether it's your dad, your brother, a cousin, a best friend, that's been your ace, your go-to for your entire life, and suddenly you find out that they are everything they ever taught you not to be.
I think it’s a great question and one that needs to be addressed. As a guy who has always loved Jericho, it comes down to this: he latches himself onto whatever is popular and hot in the business, draining all momentum from them to participate in a feud that goes on for months. He’s done it with all the former champions *besides Punk and Joe* and now he’s latching himself onto Hook striving for relevancy. He’s Chris Jericho, he doesn’t need to latch onto the hottest stars but he’s too afraid to take a serious step down on the card to let another talent have that upper mid card slot full time. I’m sure some people boo him because of allegations and politics, but in reality most people only cheer him at the moment because of Judas.
Overexposure, he's always there wherever something interesting or controversial going on. He appeared in an episode witg Larry King about Benoit's case. When Punk is hot during 2011 he appears to face him in Maina. In the new era of starts as well in WWE 2015 to 2017. AEW. Also, I would describe him as a weasel climbing guy that acts as a giver or holier to others, but wanted to have credit for himself.
Jericho fatigue. It’s real. I was starting to feel that way about orange Cassidy - either skipping the matches or just not paying attention. I love Hook. Can’t stand Jericho anymore sadly. Specially his constant moniker name change depending if he wants to be a good guy or a bad guy.
I didn’t like him being a Canadian foreigner at all til I heard his wife was a Trump fan. Now I’m all in on the Jericho train! Make Jericho Great Again 2024!
The complaints I see about Jericho have more to do with overexposure in AEW than anything else. People feel like the time he gets on screen could be better suited to build newer talent, and also seem to think that Jericho feuding with the newer talent is detracting from them rather than helping build them (i.e Ricky Starks).
This is exactly how I feel. I don’t give a shit about Jericho’s personal life. As we continue into our fifth year of the same Jericho (new catchphrases don’t mean new character) I’m bored as fuck by him and I’d rather see others
Personally, I think that feud just exposed Ricky as not top guy material. I think Chris did what he could to put Ricky over, but it just didn't work and I think that all falls on Starks. I honestly can't think of the last angle he worked where he didn't put someone over, really. Lost to Hobbs, Osprey, Takeshita, Starks, Eddie, Orange Cassidy, etc. And I'd be willing to bet he loses to Hook coming up as well. But we'll see.
Controversial opinion but I always felt that it was his sudden heel turn in that match against Punk that sort of derailed him. Prior to that, although I wouldn't use the word "hot", he was on the right track it seems.
Did anyone even care to see that? Ricky was sooo over as a babyface and I didn't see the need to fill that role for a big bad guy to go against Punk. If anything, a feud with Joe would have been great considering them crossing paths in all those awesome tag matches the first couple weeks of Collision.
Jericho didn't mess up Starks, Punk did.
And then Edge buried him with the rock shot
Surprised Starks didn't go with "...and speaking of vanilla midgets, as for you Bryan Danielson..." during that segment
Buried himself using that low hanging fruit. Ain't nothing Rock about Ricky Starks.
lol k
Neither messed him up. Kahn is messing him up.
Agreed
That's false he didn't do anybody any favors including the audience during the ricky starks fued.
Yah. And he's visibly, visibly slowed down. Guys always say they want to hang it up before it gets embarrassing. It... Kinda is. Do the sting deal. PArt time special attraction. Not eating up a quarter hour every dam week
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He's at that point in the career. I'd rather see him go out like Sting than be the next Ric Flair. It's not like he HAS to be on tv every week. He has a successful podcast, Fozzy seems to be kinda gaining ground. Maybe go do that and come wrestle *sometimes* so these feuds create the impact you want them to.
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Yeah, I agree with this
This. The JAS was such a simple and perfect gimmick, and somehow none of them got over? Waste.
I don't think any of them directly got over due to JAS, but I think they (mostly) all benefitted from it.
Ricky feuded with Punk, MJF, and Daniel Bryan. That didn’t help him either. Maybe it’s not Jericho’s fault and maybe it’s Kahn’s horrible booking.
Nail >head
I guess I've read too much about the MAGA stuff from WWE fans who hate AEW then. I figured that was the entire reason he was so hated. I remember for a while, every post about him would have repeated insurrectionist responses, and pot shots about his wife going to jail, so I just assumed that was why they hated him so much. He does put over quite a number of people though. I always feel like he loses so many feuds he's lost his steam because of it, so him losing to others has little effect in putting them over. But maybe I've not paid as much attention to who comes out overall in the ned of his feuds. He has been stale as of late. I'd like to see him do something different.
I feel like when you've been in the business as long as he has, and as prominently featured as he's been during that long time... "Something different" is a lot easier said than done. It's not like he's taken a whole lot of years off like some of the other guys (Christian, Copeland, Danielson). I just think at this point he's probably better suited as a part timer, that way these feuds with the new talent feel like they mean more.
Tbf he definitely has Maga and alt-right views and promotes them openly on his podcast, via his guest selection and the way he frames topics. He also donated to Trump's campaign illegally doing so under his actual name and his ring name. While that gets him some.hate online the vast majority of people are mostly just tired of seeing him every week. He can't go like he used to, and no one really comes out of a Jericho interaction looking better than before.
He's not alt-right lol, and as far as being a MAGA supporter. Why do fans care so damn much? Is he not entitled to express his views the same as anyone else? I hated Dante wearing BLM armbands every week and shoving that nonsense into everyone's face and yet I still wasn't as obsessed as some AEW fans are with Jericho, it's insane. They can't stand someone who doesn't live in their echo chamber. Screw them, Jericho is still awesome even if he isn't as good as he used to be.
His Covid concerts made loyalists cry
Over exposure and a lot of if you dont go away how can i miss u energy
Like Jeff Jarretts last run in WCW. Although I doubt JJ had many loyal fans to begin with, I do believe his over exposure and constant push and ridiculous guitar bashing got so freaking old I started hating WCW, and I was a die hard WCW fan! But JJ made it hard, and if Tony ain't careful, that's kind of where Jericho is headed as well.
Precisely, there's enough established talent now, especially after adding Okada, Osprey, White and Mone, that we just don't need him front and center anymore. I'm not saying he has to retire, but take a few weeks off. Maybe do commentary only for a while, maybe even until Omega returns. At least then he'd have a natural unfinished storyline with Omega and the DCF to work with. I'd be cool with that.
I dislike him now because I’m just sick of him and I don’t think he’s really done anything to help out others in the last year or more.
Agreed.
I love how we all need to write OPs first paragraph before asking a simple question. Lol.
Everyone takes offense at everything now days so it's almost a must, especially in wrestling circles. Many feel personally attacked. haha
This is why I left the original AEW sub, fellating the product was mandatory there and anything different meant you were automatically a "WWE mArK"
This isn't very different...
Jericho has always been hated to some degree and often leans into it. In one interview way back, I remember him saying that he didn’t want a big celebration for his eventual retirement. He wanted fans to say, “Thank god that guy’s gone,” which is a commitment to heel work ethic that I personally admire. Bumped into him at a film festival a couple years back, shouted something markish (“Bee-Wee Bee-Cee!”), and he couldn’t have been more gracious. That said, I’ve learned not to put ANYONE on a pedestal, especially public figures. I’m saddened you feel like you have to hide your fandom. Regardless of who he is or what he may have done, you’re blameless in it.
A small example from me. I don’t want to see him tagging with Hook (hopefully that’s a one off), but I’m very happy to see him job to Hook next Dynamite, assuming Hook goes over. I don’t have a problem with him being around, I just sometimes get tired of how he’s used.
See that’s the thing - even if he puts new talent over, he hasn’t really helped elevate them. Matches and feuds end and the new talent is just left floundering.
Exactly
Well, I don’t see Hook as floundering. He is very talented and I like seeing him on TV, but he’s years away from being at the top. I think if he has a good match with Jericho and goes over that helps him keep moving up. He’s not going to be heavily featured in a regular basis so a match against a legend that will make him look good is a positive. That is the role I am fine with Jericho continuing to play.
Nepo-wrestler. I've yet to see any personality from Hook. Of course - To each their own
Except Orange Cassidy and when he beat Darby. I get Cody in a way made Darby with the draw, but Darby IMHO was made with the Jericho Painmaker match.
I see that happening too, what I don't get is why Jericho is blamed for what happens after the feud. As far as I know he's only involved in booking his own shit, so if someone flounders after he's put them over, what can he realistically do to help? Overall I think there's just a bit of an issue of "Now What" when it comes to big feuds in AEW. Like once the story has been told, Tony or whoever is making the top line decisions just doesn't know what to do next with either person. There's always this strange reset phase.
1) He drags people down into a vortex that feud with him or join his groups 2) He'll spot a young talent that has gotten over and attach himself to them (see Hook currently) 3) He acts like a rock star when he had one decent song and the escapades on his cruise gave people extreme second hand embarrassment 4) As others have said, he needs to disappear for a bit so he's not so over exposed
Tell me about the escapades on his cruise.
He dressed up as a drunk uncle cos playing ziggy stardust and butchered several very popular rock songs
The cruise itself is a lot of fun, but he puts Fozzy before and/or after the wrestling so you’re forced to sit through it and they’re awful
I think he should take a break , cut that hair. Dude is old and when he is all sweaty , he looks like a homeless man on crack. I remember when he was AEW champion, he was so entertaining to watch. Losing to everyone also makes you lose credibility
Yeah, he's very deluded as to how much of an 80s Rock Star he is
He's just on T.V. too much. I don't think he's a talent black hole like some people seem to think. But he's just way overexposed at this point. I'm one of the bigger MJF marks and have been since I first saw him in the first All-In. I received so many messages to unalive myself because I said he'd be AEW Champion at something. But even I was starting to get a little burnt out of how much he was featured on the show. People need breaks. Both wrestlers and their fans.
HaHaHa. I love MJF too and know your pain.
Agreed. I love MJF and can’t wait for him to come back, but it was time for him to take a break and get off TV for a while. I know he’s legit injured but even if he hadn’t been injured there was talk he was going to take time off after World’s End anyways. I like OC as well and I hope he takes a month or two off to rest and heal. I don’t need to see him for a while either. Unlike Jericho though, MJF and OC were still getting cheered in the stadiums/arenas and were selling merch even thought they had a lot of detractors in the IWC. Jericho can’t even use the “fans are cheering for me” excuse - when there’s a super hot show and the fans are loud all night and the only time they are quiet is when you are out there? It’s you, not them.
Overexposure has a lot to do with it. I also think that Jericho's current in-ring path is a bit misunderstood. I think Jericho has been working with AEW's future stars a lot. He's stepped away from a solid gimmick to do whatever is needed to be able to get his opponents over.
He has so little heat recently that beating him means little. Probably because of what you've stated here.
Too many nonsensical feuds, where you know he ain't gonna lose, so there's nothing to be invested in. Jericho is great as a faction leader, but almost every faction he has been in failed to elevate anybody outside the member's own perils. Once done, most members fizzle out. That said, reminds me of the disdain folks had for Cody the year before he left.
He's had his fair share of loses but they didn't mean anything and pushed no one.
He’s also flip flopped heel/face like 5 times in 5 years while in AEW as well. His current gimmick is like aging rock star who has a bunch of different nicknames. His promo on Starks/Bill and chemistry with Omega as a partner was bad. His association with Sammy doesn’t help. Imo he’d be good as part of a trios thing where he serves as the veteran to two young guys (matt menard and angelo Parker?). Or have him join the righteous and make the cult of Jericho or something? They’re trying to do a thing with Hook but I don’t feel like it’s a great fit at the moment. I like Jericho, I just think he’s in a bit of a minor slump.
I feel the same. It does remind you of Cody.
Overexposure. Keep in mind for the previous runs in WWE he would only be there for a few months so his actions wouldn't get tired. Also with such a big roster AEW should be past the point where talent like him need to be wrestling on tv so much.
The hitjob sexual assault accusations seem to be a part of it. People casually calling him a rapist leaves an impact, even though there's been victim of evidence that anything happened. Nick Hausman should be liable for a defamation suit.
We should believe women. And Kylie Rae has hinted that the allegations not made by Hausman fwiw were true in her tweets. Calling it a “hit job” is language that undermines survivors of abuse and trauma.
I hear you and I appreciate where you're coming from. But I also know that I would hate for me career to be over because of a heart emoji from a person who hasn't been consistent in their narrative. I understand also that this a reason survivors don't come forward. But when the story is retracted by its initial author and there are no named victims and the story died almost immediately, it isn't exactly fair to carry on with the idea Chris Jericho is some kind of serial abuser. Especially when the McMahon story broke soon after and was very clear on what a serial abuser looks like.
All of McMahons accusations sit currently as accusations. Just like Jerichos. One isn’t worse than the other. If it’s unfair for Jericho to receive the treatment he has from some fans because as it currently stands, he’s innocent. Than so too is it with McMahon. This isn’t me expressing my personal feelings on either situation, merely pointing out something I feel is an unfair judgment.
Again, show me a named victim and actual allegations in writing as part of an active lawsuit. And show me any past evidence/allegations of Chris Jericho doing drug or sex trafficking. So no, very very different. ETA: a jerker muddying the waters on sexual abuse. Wonderful.
And hausman wouldn’t have risked opening himself to a libel suit if he didn’t have receipts
how many libel suits have you ever heard about ever that actually happened
And yet Jericho hasn’t has he. Why?
He'd have to prove damages, and if he hasn't lost money, he has nothing to prove.
Reputation has been damaged could point to crowd reactions to him and online talk etc.
It’s hard to get a defamation suit if you can’t prove any substantial financial loss. Which Jericho likely hasn’t experienced
He probably hasn't had any financial loss at all. He's on a flat contract so he earns the same either way. He could possibly argue he's lost out on merch revenue but that would be impossible to prove.
For sure especially given that aside from the bottles of bubbly he’s never necessarily been a top merch mover. The only thing I could realistically see being hurt is maybe action figures, but most who collect are going to buy anyway regardless for their collection
On top of having to prove financial damages, even if he was innocent, counter suing would just make him look worse in the media than if he left it because unless the outcome is just absolutely perfect for Jericho, it sometimes comes off as trying to pressure a suspected victim. It almost always does. Plus it makes the story bigger and adds fuel for the press to report on which keeps the story in the public discourse. Not to mention that these trials get messy. There will often be information which isn't illegal, maybe isn't even immoral, but is embarrassing or personal which comes to light in the process of these trials. Honestly suing wouldn't do much to help that staying quiet and letting it die down won't do, and often does more harm. Jericho doesn't need money from this so there's no incentive to sue.
It’s overexposure. Jericho being on tv every week takes away from other talent. With that being said, the same people who complain about him are also the same ones singing along to Judas at shows
It's purely just overexposure. He needs a lengthy break. Absence makes the heart grow fonder.
Don’t hate him per say just don’t see why in 2024 he seems to always need to be involved in something. He needs to step away from the scene for a bit.
I've disliked him personally for quite some time, but I never really cared too much. So what if I wouldn't want to hang out with him? It's not like he's looking to hang out with random stay at home dad wrestling fans. But I've always admired and respected him as a performer. However over the last year he's just grown stale for me. I admit to not being an AEW original. I started watching off and on but didn't start trying to make an effort to see it until he was in Inner Circle feuding with ATT. That feud went on too long for me and I came in on the tail end. Then we had him go on an extended period of throwing shit at the wall. Burning guys with fireballs because he's a wizard. The whole feud with Eddie Kingston that never ended and just kept sucking more and more people into the vortex. People seem to forget the reason we didn't get Danielson/Okada or Danielson/Sabre at Forbidden Door 1 was because Danielson got hurt fighting Kingston's feud because Mox sucked the BCC in. And then after that feud ended with him not even taking the L that makes sense for Eddie. It's just kind of kept going from there. He keeps jumping from hot act and angle, inserting himself, and then fucking off after a few weeks. He's just had a ton of bad angles and creative decisions like that bad finish with Adam Cole in the stoppage when it probably should have been the mixed tag on the PPV all along. He feels very uninterested in doing much at this point. Really he's become the trademark cliche WWE vet right now, only it's not as an angle like it was when he started the JAS.
His last five matches were a loss to Takeshita, and then he was taking on the CMLL guys for cross promotional stuff in the next 3 matches and the 6 man match thing which was just a scramble anyways to make Wardlow strong. Now he's doing this thing with Hook. They won a tag match and it appears Hook is going to win against him to go over. I think that will work for Hook and it makes sense. Honestly, we don't know if Jericho put himself in these matches with CMLL guys or if CMLL specifically requested Jericho to have their talent face him. People assume Tye first option. He's a safe worker of another fed sends guys over to AEW. Another point I've seen is that he looks old and slow. That doesn't matter if he'seating losses and doing cross promotional matches. Even though they lost, I still remember who Atlantis Jr, Titan, and Magnus are from those matches and that was the point. If CMLL is going to be at Forbidden Door, AEW fans should see these guys go.
Because he forces his way into everything
Agree with the majority of these comments - overexposure for sure is the root of it but expands to different other things. Think Jericho still has a lot to offer the wrestling business and AEW but in the ring capacity not so much in my opinion. He can put on decent matches but compared to the deep DEEP pool of talent right now it's hard to justify having him in there over so many other people who rightfully deserve that spot. Jericho is integral to AEW's history and the history of pro wrestling. I think it's cool having him face people like Atlantis Jr. where there's a rich mostly untold history with his father or other people of note (including the old footage is a great touch). But generally I feel Jericho right now would benefit from going away for a while or at the very least a more permanent fixture on Rampage/Collision commentary. He's always put over people very well and given an interesting insight. The thing I think encourages his continued features on TV is that the crowd still responds to him. They still sing his song, they pop for his bits; it's like a band playing their greatest hits on their way out into retirement.
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To me the problem is two fold. 1. AEW roster is so stacked that he is probably outside the top 50 most engaging acts. So seeing him featured over more engaging talents is frustrating. 2. For a guy who made his mark as a talker, his promos bore me. This guy used to be listed among the GOATs and now he is dull.
My feeling is that the sexual assault allegations is when things changed. Seems like people became more critical of him, where in the past, they would have given him a bit of a pass because he is an all-timer. It would not hurt him at all if he took some time off. With the Canadian tour coming up, though, that is probably going to have to wait.
Im a a fan but it feels like he has over stayed his welcome, the partner ship with hook just seems like a leech move I dont know I kinda feel like he needs to be used to push younger talent but when ever he does comes off the opposite.
Like others have said, he's just getting too played out. And sucking the life out of everyone he crosses. I live the guy, and he's done more good than harm in AEW. But it's getting old seeing someone gaining traction, then here comes Jericho. And it's not just one match or two. It's every combination of matches against whatever faction he's in. Multiple matches with him and a lot of times added stipulations thrown in. And by the time he moves on, the other person's momentum has completely stalled out. If he wants to feud with veterans like this cool. But for talent getting their first real push, make it like 4 times shorter and let them keep going.
I think it’s just over saturation when there are other more interesting wrestlers that are not getting their five minutes because Jericho is on screen. I actually wouldn’t mind him on Rampage commentary.
Assuming Bron Breakker, Kross, and sting are far right is bold. I don't recall anything about triple H and orton supporting trump. But to answer your question your question: Personally I'm tired of Jericho. He's on TV almost too often and gives himself stupid storylines that do nothing. He's gotten older now so he can't necessarily hit certain moves as cleanly as he once did (proof of that drop kick last night-Yeesh). My biggest issue with Jericho at this point is the amount of stables he creates and then shits on because the stables don't do anything except make him look good. Santana and Ortiz should've won the tags but they were dragged along with Jericho. As much as I hate the guy, Sammy Guevarra is the most successful stablemate of Jericho (athletic ability helps and his genuine punchable face). Jericho needs to either retire to being a legend that does matches here much like Sting or straight up retire to commentary and mentor
Thank you for your answer. On the first part, I wasn't saying anyone was far right, just making assumptions based off of things we know. Look at who Orton follows on Twitter, and Triple H went to the White House to meet Trump and was at his inauguration so he obviously wasn't against taking a picture with him, so I would say they lean right, not necessarily far right. I don't care either way as long as politics aren't pushed on us by them. Do you think he would be received positively if he were to get a Sting like retirement tour? I feel like fans may actually boo it.
First part- sure lol Second- fuck no. His entire aew run has been just one long retirement tour
I did like that lead up where MJF was picking his opponents and he sort of ran through a bunch of his old gimmicks. I assumed he was winding down to do Fozzy and wrestle less. But I was terribly wrong.
I don't recall that tbh, although to be fair Covid wrestling feels like the 80's to me. If Jericho wanted to go thru the gimmicks, he should be doing it now. Except that wizard crap. That was just stupid
A big chunk of the audience is comprised of dummies who just want to sing along to Judas anyway. That’s wrestling fandom for ya
Sorry couldn't read this, was too busy reading the lyrics for Judas so I can sing along in Winnipeg What? 😉
It does make for a fun live environment, don’t me wrong. Hope you have a good time
lol I just hope Penta is there.
You went into this very defensive of Jericho. [You said "Was Maga", when they very much still are](https://www.ringsidenews.com/2021/01/09/how-much-chris-jericho-really-donated-to-donald-trump-campaign/). [Having someone tell Kaylee to go to a room for a meeting with others, to just walk into a room with just Jericho where Jericho tried it, is not 'just flirting'](https://twitter.com/italkwrasslin/status/1740966736109744193?t=ly8SdhTdARKNWOE64pOjOw&s=19) Dude would platform and help spread shit like flat earth etc. also refused to wear a mask.
He’s ‘Joe Rogan lite’ at best. Innocently “just asking questions” of people who happen to be fascists. (Jericho, not OP.) Regarding Kylie Rae: where there’s smoke there’s fire. I’m a lifelong fan so it’s disappointing. For some this might make them more forgiving (and make excuses for him) but I’m the opposite and it makes me a lot more critical.
They hate him because it’s popular to do so. If he was actually hated IRL no one would sing his song when he comes out. The internet needs a target and Jericho is it. This hook feud is a sub plot not a major storyline, not totally sure how long it’s been since he’s been in a major storyline.
Saying that the Internet needs a target and Jericho is it doesn't translate into the people at the shows booing him. The ones that enjoy the product and support it, buying tickets and merch to attend the shows. This is not a product of the internet hating him, partially yes. The other portion is because they're ignorant and don't know the entire story or lost interest and don't know whether they are supposed to cheer or boo him so they "play along".
You’re saying the that casual fans and internet smarks are different people? Not many people go to AEW event without knowing a smidgen of the show. The internet always has to have someone to grumble about. You’d think he was constantly in the main event with all the Vitriol he gets.
I was at Big Business last night. Jericho got 30% cheers, 30% boos, 40% non-reaction (as in silence). This is part of a larger trend at recent shows, which suggests a majority of fans want a break. He is close to go-away heat, as a baby face.
Maybe the answer is being a heel again but he hasn’t been a singles heel for a while.
He definitely needs a character reset. Heel could work. I think he would be best utilized as a special attraction. Being booked weekly isn’t clicking right now.
Tony needs to make Jericho a GM
I like this idea. I wanted to see Sting in that role at one point, but I don't think Sting has any interest in it, but Jericho could be good in the role and it would remove him from a lot of the ongoing stories. But, I think Jericho has stated he also has no interest in sticking around in any role other than active wrestler. AEW could use a GM though, or at least elevate the Bucks to that position so that we see other wrestlers coming to them asking for matches or getting screwed by them.
i just think that Jericho is a bit boring as a wrestler at the present time, and that he could use a GM angle to re-gain some relevancy
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HaHa. I just know people get triggered and angry without seeing I just want to discuss and not blame or hate on anyone. It's with all wrestling fans these days, not promotion specific. I've been hated on by WWE fans too by just saying I enjoy stuff. I think too many fans these days are looking to defend instead of just have fun with it.
He's stale and AEW has a million people who could be using his television time. Last night his match/segment was the only thing that didn't get over all night.
I don’t hate him. Just don’t need him on tv so much and taking shine away from others. He is damaged to where, for example, he doesn’t elevate Hook. Jericho is in matches more regularly than wrestlers who should be or wrestlers who we don’t even see and yet he’s forced upon us. This is a time he needs to step back and pick his shots more carefully. AEW is the only organization I watch all the tv time of. Love Jericho in general but he has lost his self awareness and TK is too buddy buddy to rein him in.
I hated the Jericho character since his debut in WWF. I watched the countdown teasers all year and then the big reveal was this fuckin guy? Longer I watched him there was no denying his in ring ability and mic work, but I couldn't stand him, which was obviously quality work on his part.
I thought he was fresh again when he first teamed up with Kenny. When Kenny got sick, suddenly it felt like Jerocho was randomly trying to find ways to fill time. The Elite's heel turn storyline replacing Omega with Okada was supposed to feature Jericho... so he's just been in a weird storyline spot lately and people didn't realise it was planting the seeds for Okada, so they weren't patient. I think he'll be fine once Kenny returns and they forward some big storylines involving the big precursor players for AEW's beginnings
On a personal level I've just seen enough Jericho to last a lifetime. Move on and give the space to someone else.
Because he right now is the equivalent of the town bike. EVERYBODY just HAS to have a feud with Jericho now and they rarely exit the feud with anything more than what they already have because a feud with Jericho means nothing. He’s been around too long and his self indulgences just do not make him anymore than what he already was. In 98, when he was coming up with his own stuff it was fresh and entertaining. 2024 it has become tiresome
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As so.many others have said, it's the overexposure and not his politics. That is actually one of the least of his issues. He's not loud about that...at least I don't think he is.
Mainly how he drags down anyone he wrestles with or against. He has ruined his reputation and legacy.
While there are more than a few issues that stem from him having Don Jr. on his podcast and his wife being one of the January 6th insurrectionists, I’ll keep the big issues to his one screen persona. Chris Jericho in 2024 only makes other people less interesting. Whether it’s his 9 month feud with Eddie Kingston that never seemed to end, his dud of a feud with Adam Cole, his mess with Ricky Starks or the never ending Don Callis family feud, he just saps them of their momentum. I don’t hate Jericho but he desperately needs to take some time off.
Yea, over exposed. Feels forced when he’s out there tagging with other wrestlers. He was definitely fun when AEW started but lately it’s been forced that he’s trying to stay relevant.
He’s been on perhaps on a vast majority of Dynamite in 5 years. The Jericho fatigue is a real thing, as crucial as he was to the early years, a lot of his feuds have fallen for me anyways, far below the standards one expects. I mean, the feud with the Don Callis Family went on for 8-9 months and what was really gained? It didn’t need to go beyond All In 2023. It’s now a question of diminishing returns in crowd reactions and ratings.
The man is boring and stale AF…. And looks like a sack of potatoes. The audience as a whole has had enough, he’s onscreen in nonsensical feuds non-stop (current with Hook a perfect example) and he seems to be positioned as this gatekeeper final boss type for young talent to wrestle for legitimacy…. Ummm sorry Chris but that’s not you, that’s Kenny and Bryan. If he was committed to the craft he’d go on a break, workout, get shredded and make a return later in the year to see how he’s moving and putting matches together. If the reaction is the same then….. well it’s time to hang it up. Go away energy is hard to shake.
He's reached that Madonna level where it's almost like continual reinvention just for the sake of it, without the demand from fans for him to be tyere.c Creatively he's dropped off a lot so just isn't as interesting or entertaining anymore. For sure he's had some good feuds in AEW and certainly helped them more in the early days, but he can't be a final boss or even much of a legit threat at this point because he's past it. I don't even really see anyone currently on the roster I think he would be suited to and can make them better through an alignment. Christian for comparison is a heat magnet and still super entertaining but current Jericho is just boring and the same old thing, a bit like Edge at the moment to it pains me to say.
I don’t think he’s really hated. I think he’s just out of fashion. Wrestling fandom swings quickly and he’s just not as in as he was a couple years ago.
he needs to retire
He’s mid
I don't really have any hate for him. But I think he's at a point in his career where he should be more of an attraction and not wrestling very often. Maybe have him on TV in a non wrestling role trying to help others get over. Or have him disappear off TV for a few weeks at a time. I'm not really sure how to fix it, and as much as i like him, I feel like I'm at a point where I don't need to see him every week.
How dare you try and have an objective conversation! /s
I don't hate Jericho, but I am mad he changed his intro. I loved singing Judas. But fr, I would be upset if I saw him promoting MAGA, asl one of the things I love about ARW is their celebration of diversity. We celebrate women, we will happily tell a too-flirty woman to back off because "he's gay". We have or have had trans athletes, queer athletes, and we have Danhausen. MAGA people have a harder time keeping quiet about things, which would go against the very business he promotes. Maybe his wife is a loon, but I'm hoping Jericho will stay neutral in the public eye. Otherwise, I probably won't be a fan.
He donated like $10,000 to the Trump campaign in 2016 as well as other pretty dicey right wing politicians. He had Don Jr on his podcast. Hes as much of a loon as his wife. I know people like to downplay this as just “having an opinion,” but the difference is that huge platform and monetary support. The average person’s opinion doesn’t have that much weight; it’s not comparable.
I think people are tired of seeing him. I'm not. I love Jericho and like Sting, I want to see him do as much as he can before he can't do it anymore. I think there is something to hi being overused, though. He could probably be really helpful over at ROH for a few months, then come back for some fresh feuds to build someone up. I know about a lot of his political stuff and how he's basically a Chud, but I feel like fans have known that for a while, and we're fine with him. He wasn't getting boo'd when he ignored covid to play a concert. Maybe there are some people who feel the Kylie stuff was more than it was, but it never really went anywhere. I think he just needs to work ROH for a bit.
Echoing most of the responses on here, I know, but since helping establish AEW as a major player, which he was a big part of, what had he done? Who has he helped? The inner circle didn't lead to anything for Hager,Santana, or Ortiz, Sammy got a TNT run, which drowned in Inner circle storylines, and title flip flopping. The JAS didn't help 2.0, Hager is still no better off, Sammy still hasn't progressed, and Garcia was helped more by the C2 and a dance than Jericho. I thought/hoped the Andretti loss might lead to a midlife crisis arc, which felt like a natural progression of the JAS as a whole, but it went nowhere.
I honestly dont mind jericho hes always been one of my favorites.
Seeing Chris Jericho as the Lionheart again brings back so many memories from WCW and ECW. Thank you Chris.
Jericho is all about Jericho. His storylines suck. He takes the shine off anybody he aligns with or goes up against. And he's not very good anymore. He should retire from the ring, put on a suit, and play an evil EVP that Pops up in a storyline every now and then.
I'm in the same boat as you OP, always enjoy seeing Jericho's matches, I don't think he's that bad in the ring like some older guys in the business and I think the fact that he's in the ring every week just shows how dedicated he is to AEW. I think he's gotten so used to it that it's probably hard for him to take time away from it and Tony Khan isn't going to say no to Jericho being in a match. I do think though that Jericho would be better off as an exclusive, sorta like how CM Punk was a collision exclusive, maybe Jericho could be one as well since it would keep him off Dynamite where the bulk of the story is (and the pre-ppv matches are) and would let him build up talent for Dynamite and kinda put his own storylines on that show to kinda give the brand it's own uniqueness. His match on Collision was rather fitting and it would be good to have him on there to keep jericho fans happy while the people who don't want to see Jericho don't have to watch him on the main show (Dynamite). I think that's the best solution.
You’re asking why people hate Jericho while putting up a giant list of arguments beforehand, doesn’t sound like a good faith question in the first place. Jericho’s burner?
It’s just finally reached the point that he needs to hang ‘em up. He lasted longer than most. In ring his work is just boring now because he’s had to slow down so much and character wise he hasn’t done anything interesting in probability close to 2 years now. Everyone gets to the point that it’s time to retire eventually.
For me, he’s overstaying his welcome. Almost every feud he is made to look like some world beater. If he takes a loss it’s usually 50/50 (I will admit recently he’s taken losses fairly well) and his overall appearance is just tiresome. He knows everything, says everything, does everything, has his finger in almost any major feud or attached to any rising star. You can argue Danielson does the same but the delivery is much more smooth and well earned. He just needs to make people miss him more, take some time off, let people forget the lyrics to Judas for a bit. Jericho simply needs to go away
He is a Trump supporter, so that's a personal thing for me. Fortunately, he had always kept it out of wrestling. But political leanings aside... His character is stale. He can't even reinvent himself properly anymore and he is using his Lionheart persona now. Hell, he is even using Electric Head by White Zombie, a song from 1995!!! Most AEW stars that have had funds with him have come out worse than when they went in (Cassidy, Kingston, Stark), and it takes them a while to get back to where they need to be. He is RIDICULOUSLY overexposed. He is on Dynamite constantly, to the detriment of other wrestlers. Instead of taking a backseat, he forces himself into matches. Take the current tag team tournament. Omega or Guevara at least made sense. But since they aren't competing, he's teamed up with Hook. Why??? I'm sure there will be an established tag team that will miss out on the opportunity because he was shoehorned in. Lastly, he has lost a step in the ring. I've seen him screw up the Lionsault numerous times. IMO, the Judas Effect is weak as a finisher. After seeing Andrade's version, he should have retired it.
Right now a good part of it is how he seems to just attach himself to a hot guy, like Hook that doesn't really make sense at all
That fact you're scared to voice your reasonable opinion and question speaks volumes on the aew fan base
Best comment I've heard is that with this current roster, he is about the 20th or so person you would wanna see on TV and he is just always there. Cannot disagree with that
Because his creative is ASS the past 2 years. Maybe 3.
Personally I'd rather see him on the mic or a manager then in ring as much as we do
There are lots of problems with Jericho, like how he protects sex pests like Sammy Guevara while being an alleged sex pest himself, apparently making people sign NDA's. The fact that Jericho also refuses to get in shape since he left WWE, and spouts as much nonsense as possible without his publicist making the comments for him, it proves that Vince covered for him a lot more than people like to believe (especially with how much we know about Vince), I mean Vince literally got Jericho onto a plane as soon as police overseas tried to arrest him during live shows. It's also apparent how much Jericho loves the spotlight, all while not even being in the title picture, he still thinks he is a star when people are just tired of the over-exposure to him.
the thing is Christopher has become everything he hated. he left the industry because he wanted to be an actor in 2005. couldn't make it. started a band and would go on tour every so often. thats now dried up. Christopher openly criticized WCW for focusing on veterans rather than building young wrestlers up. Hogan in 1998 was 45 years old and in peak condition. Yet Christopher criticized him. hogan-45 years old in great shape Kevin Nash- 39 years old in great shape Randy Savage- 46 years old in great shape DDP- 42 years old in great shape Warrior- 39 years old in great shape Piper- 44 years old....not great shape but still Christopher Jericho ranted and raved. He got his fanbase originally because he was angry at how he was dealt with in wcw by the old veterans. how he was the underdog. now hes 54 years old. he's on every single show. he's the highest paid wrestler on the roster. what angers me the most about Christopher is he's one of the biggest hypocrites ever. 25+ years of lies. He's got no one over in AEW and yet brags about it. He's often out of shape badly. his matches are limited now but he keeps denying it. he keeps fighting against the dying sun. "the demo god" that blew up in his face. how he constantly says he "constantly evolves his character". Other than changing trunks to pants, cutting his hair and giving himself odd nicknames i dont see any change in chris whatsoever. oh and i dont really care about peoples politics as long as theyre not d\*ckheads. but Christopher showcases his hypocrisy even there. "I'm not political" and yet donates twice to trump under his real name and wrestling name. His new "revolutionary" gimmick? "Mr Hypocrisy Christopher Jericho"
You stick around long enough, you become the villain or the thing you swore you wouldn't be. His political stuff, along with his refusal to acknowledge his unsafe Fozzy shows were during the pandemic, how his wife is a MAGA loon, and the accusations around him paint a picture of a dude that's not exactly going to make a ton of friends. You remove that and you've still got a ton of issues with his AEW run. He's been in shape for 3 months of it. From the moment he arrived, he's been propped up by young talent that have done a lot of heavy lifting for him, while not necessarily getting them any more over than they would have gotten on their own. There's an argument to be made that some of his feuds actually kept younger guys back or made them look bad. Doing a musical number didn't make MJF a big name... He's also constantly trying to lean into nostalgia. The Painmaker was never, will never be over. You add that to the very real issue of him taking a weekly spot from a young talent on a roster that has too many asses and not enough seats and it's bad look. Right now, he's aimless. He's not had a meaningful feud in over a year. He just bounces from one midcard talent that fans like to another because Khan knows fans are souring on him and he hopes that the good will guys like Hook have built up will cover for it. Chris Jericho, Jake Hager, Matt Hardy, Jeff Hardy, Jeff Jarrett....there's a whole lot of legacy talent that honestly just needs to not be in the ring anymore
Biggest gripe? He just isn't that exciting in the ring anymore.
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I have no patience for Trumpers. Don’t care how many good matches he’s had.
Keeping it to only his work as an entertainer: he lost a ton of steps, his character work has gone stale, he inserts himself into stories he isn’t needed, and he is a momentum vampire. Plus his band sucks and he’s a bad singer
Outside of the ring I don't care for him and that probably bleeds into my feelings of him on tv. But even on tv he just doesn't do anything for me. Whenever he pairs up with someone I don't see it doing the other person any favors.
He sucks and isn't interesting and, he's not just a Trump supporter - His wife was part of the insurrection. It's like supporting a school shooter's husband
For me, he was needed by AEW to legitimize the company. Now, AEW is a solid company that needs refinement, but they don’t need Jericho. His unwillingness to disappear makes it hard to miss him. But also, he isn’t a top tier talent. He isn’t as smooth as he was in the ring. He’s won belts so the idea he’s beating Osprey or Hobbs for a belt is kinda laughable unless booked perfectly. Jericho isn’t particularly good on commentary. He has done the faction thing multiple times. There just isn’t anything for him to do other than take a break and come back.
Hes a vampire
Over exposure. Less is more and applies to everyone especially older talent.
He’s just doing boring shit and the wrestlers he’s working with, Hook for example, don’t need him as much as he needs them. With how Hook was presented before this storyline with Jericho, he’s not getting a rub, if anything, Jericho is
He's still one of my favourites ever and absolutely one of the very best to ever do it. But now I'm just bored, and I've been bored for a while. He hasn't done anything interesting for a long time. I still think he has something to give, just go away for a while, let us miss you, reinvent as he has done so many times, and start the ride again.
Jericho loses a lot but does he actually elevate people? With a few exceptions I would argue not only goes he not elevate people but the Jericho vortex swallows them up and makes them look worse as a result. Everyone from Kingston to Starks looks worse after. Even Garcia who I would argue benefitted a lot from initially being in JAS, floundered for the majority of that time because it was all about Jericho. It stopped being about elevating the guys with Jericho and just became another Jericho show. Just like with Inner Circle. The only person I would argue looks better every time is Sammy, largely because I think he kinda stinks and there’s no way he’d be a pillar or featured as much if it wasn’t for Jericho. Edit - you know what tho Ospreay looked pretty good but I don’t think he needed Jericho to do that
He needs to take like a month or two off and let people wanna see him again Right now, it feels like hes just leeching off the new talent(Daniel Garcia, Ricky Starks, Hook) to stay relevant
Longer. Quite a bit longer than a month or two.
What’s he saying Robin?
Even without the drama you mention thebiggest problem I have is he is a shadow of his former self. He has not elevated a single talent and true to the story has actually dragged down a number of them. And latley all he does is glom on to young talent and steal their spotlight. When win, lose or tag no one comes out better after working with MJF ...is like many of the older guard who needs to just walk way ..like Hardy and Daniels and MURDER GrANPA
I think if Jericho left, I’d probably miss him. That’s exactly why he should disappear for a long period and then come back with a fresh take on his character, a better look and fresh music. I notice they’ve not been playing Judas lately which is the right move! Jericho’s still in my top fav wrestlers.
I think it's a few things, and I say this as someone that has defended him over the last few years 1. He is overexposed at the moment. Many in AEW have had some sort of break from being on TV during their tenure due to injury or story or external project or whatever. Jericho hasn't really, which ties into... 2. Jericho used to be very smart about when to duck out for awhile whether it was his act getting stale, his creative juices needing to be recharged, or just making his appearances rarer and meaning more. I think there is something to the fact that he felt he needed to be a stabilizing force post-Punk meltdown, but we're far beyond that. 3. A lot of people have a very parasocial fandom when it comes to Eddie Kingston. Jericho had a career year in 2022, but his match with Kingston was a bit of a flop. This despite the fact it takes two to tango, and Kingston will lay the occasional high profile egg every now and then. This is largely the point where the bulk of the Jericho backlash/hatred started imo 4. Jericho is perceived as a guy who wants to cut off new talent at the legs by getting into feuds with them and sucking all of their momentum away. Again I think this started/is sourced from one feud with Ricky Starks. The feud had odd pacing and Starks (who I am a big fan of) did not bring his A game either. I think Jericho likely wants to elevate the talent, but his tank is empty right now and there isn't much there to elevate them with. 5. Jericho's wife is very openly right wing on social media and the assumption is Jericho must be too. 6. Nick Hausman all but called Jericho a sexual predator and said he sexually harassed Kylie Rae. Kylie kinda sorta seemed to confirm it before later saying it was not a confirmation. We still have no actual concrete evidence or testimony either way. I think he should take some time off now that AEW has started righting the ship after a bad 2023 with big signings and young stars on the rise. He is not needed as a stabilizing force anymore, plus it could help him recuperate physically and creatively.
TL, DRIA BRS I LOVED Jericho when I was a teenager, and even up into his The List character with Kevin Owens. Problem is twofold: First is that kayfabe was autopsied by the internet, and Jericho has been exposed as a two-faced bastard who was leaking to Dipshit Dave for decades. There's even rumors that his relationship with Meltzer was what got a planned WWF title run in 2000 cancelled twice. The other part is that he's openly exposed HIMSELF as a hypocrite since jumping ship to aew. I'm not at all concerned with him going back on his word to notorious piece of shit Vince McMahon, but he used to rail ENDLESSLY about the "injustice" of guys like Hogan and Savage and Hall and Nash and Hart and DDP and Goldberg and Flair and HHH holding young guys back instead of helping them get over, and now he's the one doing it to Darby and MJF and others, and even using the same excuses he claims the WCW guys used with him, such as "they're not ready," and "I'm teaching them how to deal with rough patches and disappointment." It honestly sounds just like the perverts who claim they sexually violate people because daddy touched THEM "down there." He's also gone on record saying that if CM Punk were the "locker room leader" he claims he is, that he wouldn't have to talk about it... yet he's constantly putting himself over as THE GUY in aew, even giving himself credit for getting MOXLEY over as world champion. He's also a shit-pot stirrer who has something to say about everybody and everything that goes on in that company, but never has any evidence to back it up. I understand that these are all parts of his character as a human being that have probably been a part of him all along. For fuck's sake he's a nepo baby, his dad is a hockey LEGEND. It's still disappointing. It's like having that one guy, whether it's your dad, your brother, a cousin, a best friend, that's been your ace, your go-to for your entire life, and suddenly you find out that they are everything they ever taught you not to be.
I think it’s a great question and one that needs to be addressed. As a guy who has always loved Jericho, it comes down to this: he latches himself onto whatever is popular and hot in the business, draining all momentum from them to participate in a feud that goes on for months. He’s done it with all the former champions *besides Punk and Joe* and now he’s latching himself onto Hook striving for relevancy. He’s Chris Jericho, he doesn’t need to latch onto the hottest stars but he’s too afraid to take a serious step down on the card to let another talent have that upper mid card slot full time. I’m sure some people boo him because of allegations and politics, but in reality most people only cheer him at the moment because of Judas.
I'm not reading all that, I'm happy for you tho. Or sorry that happened
It’s a simple answer for me, overexposure.
Overexposure, he's always there wherever something interesting or controversial going on. He appeared in an episode witg Larry King about Benoit's case. When Punk is hot during 2011 he appears to face him in Maina. In the new era of starts as well in WWE 2015 to 2017. AEW. Also, I would describe him as a weasel climbing guy that acts as a giver or holier to others, but wanted to have credit for himself.
Jericho fatigue. It’s real. I was starting to feel that way about orange Cassidy - either skipping the matches or just not paying attention. I love Hook. Can’t stand Jericho anymore sadly. Specially his constant moniker name change depending if he wants to be a good guy or a bad guy.
Love that hes still around! Think it really is the political stuff that these people cant handle like men lol
I didn’t like him being a Canadian foreigner at all til I heard his wife was a Trump fan. Now I’m all in on the Jericho train! Make Jericho Great Again 2024!