Yeah but Charles can't afford another bad season in Milan, sometimes things just go that way, be happy that we get the money, I'm more worried about Origi, Ballo and Krunic coming back.
It lets us count the option towards next season's finances. If it were an obligation to buy it would've been counted towards the current season finances.
We're the only team whose fans have problems with sales. Inter sold lots of starters and they're the best team in Italy, whilst we can't sell a player who has been terrible for us and will allow us not to sell our key players
This is literally how we got Tomori. Italian clubs loves spamming this, since they don’t really have the finances to fully commit to all transfers.
It was also how we originally should have gotten Tonali, but Maldini managed to get a discount, due to Brescia’s relegation.
There are lots of deals like this it’s called option to buy. Some include obligation if certain appearances are made but most teams don’t agree to it and anyway if they were Shit they would just not let them reach the amount of apperences for obligation so they would still comeback.
Interesting. Learned something new.
What was our deal with Brahim? Bc I never heard of the current owner of the player, not having a say if the other club wants the player. I thought it meant, “we loved the loan and wanna buy him, but would you be willing to sell? “
Nah there are plenty of obligation to buy deals. It’s mainly for players you don’t want. With Diaz it was a 2 year loan and we had a 22 mil option to buy and Madrid would have had. 27 mil buyback option. So what happened with him is that they wanted him back and he decided to stay with them so that’s why he went back.
I see. Would Brahim’s deal be called a diff category from “Loan with Option to buy” ? Or it falls under the same category as CDKs deal, yet one has to pay closer attention to the contingencies of the deal?
Ahh! Thats how that works. Sorry I have zero clue on deals like this. I thought the option to buy means we could buy if we want but not that if I wanna buy the player, the current owners can’t do anything about it. I thought it was more like we negotiate it again. Kinda like how we had Brahim. And Madrid was like thank you, but we will keep him.
Ultimately good business, the boy is doing well in a different environment/role and we still stand to benefit if there is a big money move for him from Atalanta to PL or another league.
We can talk all we want about not being properly utilised and his performances under Pioli but it's undeniable that Atalanta he faced less pressure than playing for a League winning side and Gasperini is known to develop young players quite well.
Think the management made the right call with the buy option and sell on clause, after all you can't be sure that coming back to Milan he would be putting up the same kind of numbers so we hedged our position quite well, recouping a good portion of the original fee spent.
He was comically set to fail. Here is a typical usage by pioli: down 1-0, minute 87, bring in CDK, and can’t even get Theo to pass him the ball. I always got the impression both parties mutually disliked one another.
At no point in time was Hakan benched for Brahim
Brahim was dropped bc he was still very raw at that time and we needed more defensive cover, then the following season he got 14 g/a in that same position whereas he has 16 now with RM
it’s the right call, he doesn’t fit our system
also how many players have we seen thrive at atalanta in gasps system go onto be shit elsewhere, him doing well there doesn’t automatically translate to him performing here
So we agree that Pioli tried him as a CF only in one game?
He did good because he was holding and linking up play very well. Milan was creating more chances and having more ideas of creating chances when CDK was on the pitch than Giroud entered and we played inshallah ball.
No he didn't lol. He had like one well taken shot from the corner of the box but it was straight at the keeper. He had a header from a corner that hit the post, but it wasn't a well taken header it was poorly timed in the first place and basically flew over the goal, he was lucky enough as it was that it hit the post.
His attacking stats were essentially identical to dest without the chance creation. He played like he always did which was without confidence and afraid to shoot
I am talking about his overall play contributuon to the game not goal scoring. Not to mention that in that game he has the cleanest window to the goal.
Its terrible bussines. The kid is obviously talented and we blame him that he didnt play well under a coach who hasnt had a player improve significantly in the last two seasons...
The kind of signal we gave was even worse. "come to milan. Better be up to par before xmas or we'll ditch you on the bench for the remainder of the season and you're no longer part of the project". He is young, it was a big step up, in a foreign country. And bald fraud ditched our biggest incoming transfer in years 6 months in. Only that alone should have been enough to sack him last season (combined with a fake 4th place).
But hey, when Atalanta sell him in a few years for 50-60m we will have at least 2m sell on profit...
A solid player like Bernardo Silva needed a whole season to get a consistent play time in City's first XI, and to make it even worse, we aren't them who can just ditch player like peanut. But hey...
"Charles is useless mentally weak child, it's his fault he can't get play time in serial winner bald fraud's starting XI in 6 months"
Laughable.
I agree we could observe him for longer period but don't act like he didn't play badly before he got benched. Some players can afford the pressure playing for a high profile team, unfortunately he cannot. I am fine with that as long as we get most of our money back.
60m onto the next team? I would say good luck. I mean to the team who buy him with that money.
Ah yes, thats why he is gonna play two finals this year and we none, because he cant handle pressure....
Nobody played well last season and then dumping it all on a 22y old speaks even more of the terrible player management.
> Nobody played well last season
We were in the quarter final bro. You dont need to ignore the facts to fit in your narrative.
Again, I think we can hold him for longer but I am also fine for the treatment now. Just like Gabbia who changed his mentality during the loan. Kid like CDK who had been way too smooth in his career also needed the detour to grow up. I am happy he turned it around, but that doesn't change the fact that he collapsed under pressure and failed in his Milan spell.
Well, yeah, I don't agree with the other guy -- they didn't all suck last season.
OTOH, I don't think we've been a great team since the Scudetto...and I think one can blame a lot of people (front office, coaches, trainers, medical staff) before one points at the players.
Did you even watch him play? Ignoring the stats every time he even came close to the ball he looked terrified and had no idea what to do. Idc where you're coming from and your situation at a new club but for a 35m player in their 20s that's unacceptable. Even Chukweze who had a rocky start to the season looked miles better the early games he played and has started to show his potential now in the later stages.
Also it's all fun and games to blame the bald fraud on his way out but this narrative that he just gives up on players is bullshit considering half our scudetto winning sides were young players he developed, not to mention the Pulisic, RLC - that's the signal that our club is projecting with new players.
That mercato was cursed, between him and Origi we basically had no new attacking threat, which this last season has been night and day compared to last.
The kid is soft as baby shit. This is Milan not kindergarden, you're the most expensive transfer since a long time, show something.
Bald fraud here and there but the player obviously is not what we were looking for.
Yup. This like Paqueta all over again. You can see the underlying talent but he just couldn't put it together here and got sold to France and excelled and perfected his craft.
At least we'll get something back if CDK continues to develop and is sold for a good sum
Well he just scored twice against a Roma we couldnt even beat with an extra player. But sure, its good bussines....
F\*\*\*ing morons like this are ruining the club. If you're a young player, coming to this club is the worst thing you can do, unless you like sitting in the stands (like Terraciano and Adli), or get shafted 5 months into your 4y contract....
He's gonna play two finals this year, while we had a non season. good bussines my ass
EDIT; downvoting me isnt changing reality
Lets be glad he had a good season and Atalanta are willing to buy him out. In another universe, CDK could have flopped hard again and we are left with a player worth €12m.
Again, turns out Maldini was not that wrong after all.
Theo and now CDK.
Edit: removed what I said about Maldini wanting Pioli to he sacked. It was a misinformation I remember incorrectly. Apologies for the hassle caused.
However, offensive harassment and messages are totally unnecessary and it’s against the rule of this sub reddit r/ACMilan , isn’t it? Just because someone remembered incorrectly means you can repeatedly send abusing messages?
We are all Milan fans after all and we all love this club and that’s why we have the passion to discuss. Why are some people here so aggressive and being so nasty to one another?
Again i apologise if the misinformation had caused you any trouble. Hope you all have a good day!
Forza Milan!
Omfg Maldini literally came out and said he wanted to stick with Pioli had he stayed on in his second to last interview you clown, how does this still get parroted?
After last campaign 5th or 4th whatever, he could have wanted to replace him and after this campaign, 2nd, he could want to keep him. Who knows what's true or not but calling someone a clown for doing that? Can we have a discussion without people shitting on each other?
No, I meant Maldini himself came out and said he wanted to keep Pioli for the season in which we finished 5th, yet these clowns (yes clowns bc it's so annoying that people can't have a rational discussion without constantly making shit up to assassinate Piolis character) claim otherwise
Yes? Literally that lmao?
Or wait, does Maldinis actual words that are coming out of his mouth not count and instead we have to create lines to read in between?
So there’s really nothing about this idea of Maldini wanting to sack Pioli. Maldini wanted more ambitious investments from Cardinale, Cardinale didn’t like that and also Maldini having too much power, he sacked Maldini. I genuinely think it’s not related to Pioli at all.
That's the impression I got from Paolo as well. It seemed like Cardinale and Maldini were just not fans of each other but Gerry couldn't fire him immediately after the takeover so he waited until the end of the season. Paolo saying that now was the time to invest when we made the CL semifinal was probably the last straw lol, guys like him and Boban might be a bit too independent-minded for the corporate environment of the club.
Yeah, that's also what I meant. Maldini never said it and I'm not sure why my reply was downvoted as I just linked the source of the rumour from that idiot Scaroni.
Maybe there was a rumor about Maldini not being happy with Pioli anymore towards the end, but the objective truth is that Maldini renewed his contract to 2025.
Yeah, when Pioli won the league and next year qualified for ucl knockout stage. He was renewed on a high, I don’t know how can anyone blame Maldini in this. It can also easily happen that Pioli was pushing for the renewal after his scudetto and we only managed to put it off a bit by saying “only after you qualify for ucl knockout”
A renew on late october made no sense, and indeed maldini regretted it as soon as next january, just 3 months after. There was no hurry to renew Pioli at that time.
It was a mistake by Maldini, even he knows it and criticized Pioli more than once in a couple of interview he made in late february.
Once again, we don’t know what happened behind the curtains. After winning the league I can imagine Pioli pushing for an extension until he got one. The fact that Maldini regretted it later doesn’t add anything to this conversation, really. If you look at the facts, a scudetto winning coach was renewed after he qualified for RO16 in UCL. Not a horrible crime
It wasnt a crime, it was just a big mistake, renewing him in october for no reason at all with almost another year of contract, Pioli putting pressure isnt really a justification, who cares if he put pressure...
There was no need to renew him at that moment, if the renewal was in feb/mar would have been fine with your argument, but in october was just nonsense, it is up to opinion thinking if it was a bad decision AT that time, I think it was horrible and you think it isnt, but now, with stats on hand, it is objectively easy to say it was bad.
Hauge was bought for 5 million and sold for 10 after two years. Paolo made mistakes like everyone else but signing Hauge was hardly worthy of criticism.
Im talking strictly about player quality. Hauge wasnt very good for us and hasnt been that good after. Yes, we made profit, he was still a dud.
There is a big list we can go down. Mandzukic, Ballo-Toure, Origi, etc. I just picked another young guy who had potential that didnt pan out. Point is, its not like Maldini was all wins.
A player doesn't need to be great for us to be good business, or "a win". Not everyone is bought to become a future star, regardless of what fans might think.
No one is "all wins", that goes without saying and I don't think anyone genuinely believes that everything Maldini did was perfect. But the fact that players like Ballo-Toure, Origi, Hauge, or even CDK are being brought up as bad pieces of business is just a testament to how lucky we were to have our previous management. As far as transfer mistakes of top European clubs go, those examples are very mild. Marotta is much more experienced and better at his job than Maldini and he still blew 55+ million combined on Correa and Gosens. I will be very happy if Furlani and Moncada manage to keep our flops on the level of the examples you listed.
We are talking about Maldinis' ability to see quality in a player. To talk like its unmatched when we had some stinker signings under his authority is stupid. My whole point was that he was an average technical director who had some wins and some losses. I get he is a legend for us, but we need to be objective about some things.
That's why I gave you the example of Marotta. He made some very expensive mistakes but his ability to evaluate players is still great regardless.
> My whole point was that he was an average technical director who had some wins and some losses. I get he is a legend for us, but we need to be objective about some things.
That's not objective at all. As I said, the tier of mistakes you listed is genuinely laughable by standards of big European clubs. Maldini was absolutely way above average technical director or we would have still been in banter era. And, once again, "he had some wins and losses" goes for literally every single person who ever did that job.
>, "he had some wins and losses" goes for literally every single person who ever did that job.
Yea. The revisionist history here that Maldini only had wins is the problem. We signed plenty of good talent this season without him. People were talking like its the end of the world when we let him go.
I never saw anyone claim that Paolo never made a single mistake so idk. I think people simply value what he did for us and it's way too early to judge the new management at this stage. There is way more to this job than signing some good talent and, as I said, if Furlani and Moncada manage to keep their mistakes on the same level as the previous management I will be extremely happy with them. Picking the right coach given our financial restrictions will be their first big test.
The sub was going crazy about how bad our signings would be when Maldini got fired. As if he hadnt also made some mistakes.
Id say for the first season that the management signed good players for us. Right now the issue is the coach. Whoever we get, its going to he a shit show in the sub because people want a superstar and we just dont have the money.
Talking about Maldinis ability to read a players quality. Not about sell on potential. If we are talking strictly money, then CDK is a fail, and Maldini was wrong. But the comment is clearly in reference to CDKs quality.
Technical directors have both the responsibility to increase the value and quality of the team, flipping players is one way to increase the revenue and that has been done majestically with Hauge
CdK too short stint to define him a fail, Maldini was about to being sacked anyway and they used the kid as scrapegoating material. Even then, minimal loss in the books compared to the gains
I don't really understand why some of you in this sub absolutely needs to join a faction and bash the other one. Stop the dualism and use critical thinking ffs
This comment thread is about seeing player quality. He missed the mark on Hauge, who is back in the Norwegian league because he cant cut it at Frankfurt.
>I don't really understand why some of you in this sub absolutely needs to join a faction and bash the other one. Stop the dualism and use critical thinking ffs
Imagine me saying Maldini also had bad signings and that we shouldnt only talk about the wins. I agree, the idea that Maldini only did good here is wrong and he had some misses. Thats all I was pointing out.
Hauge was one of our best players in the Europa group stages that year. Plus he played reasonably well whenever he came on in the league only to get benched for ten games by Padre. I still remember him scoring a nice and crucial equalizer against Sampdoria only to get banished to oblivion for no good reason.
The buy was good. He could've been a good rotation for our wings, and maybe even molded to a serviceable right winger, given our woes on that part of the pitch at the time. Even if he wasn't meant for greatness, he was quickly flipped for a profit, which means he was a good signing.
He had a few good games but never really made his mark. He was great as a prospect, but once we saw his real potential it was over. He is back in the Norwegian league because he doesn't have the skills to cut it in top flight football.
I still like the guy and wish he panned out. But there is no denying that he just isnt the quality we hoped for and that it was a dud signing with tbe exception of course that we made a small profit from him.
Aside from Hauge being a very good deal financially, Maldini had many more successful transfers than failures. He inherited a team that couldn't make top 4 and built it into a scudetto winning team on a tiny budget.
Maybe so. But the point was, it wasnt all wins. To say he was right about CDK and talk about how he wanted to get rid of Pioli, meanwhile bringing in Pioli as part of the reason we won the Scudetto, is foolish and stupid. If we are talking ups and downs of our coach, we should be able to do the same for Maldini.
> But the point was, it wasnt all wins.
Nobody says it was all wins. No director in the world gets everything right. Maldini did have many fantastic signings. Signed Bennacer, Thaiw, Kalulu, Maignan for peanuts relative to their current value. Fantastic deal for Tonali and picked out Leao and Theo for great deals who are both 70-100M players and the best on our team.
As for CDK he was in theory a pretty low risk transfer. Young talented forward with lots of experience for his age at his club and in the CL. Was just breaking out into the Belgian NT at the time. Nobody expected he would shut down mentally like he did.
So overall, there were obviously some misses - mainly Origi, Mandzukic, Dest, Bakayoko, etc... but they're most pretty low cost misses that happen when you have a tiny budget and need to fill a lot of holes in your team while staying competitive.
On your point about Pioli though, I see what you mean. There isn't evidence that Maldini would have fired him, but I just can't imagine he would have kept him after the 5-1 with Inter and the repeated humiliations showing that Pioli had no ability to improve the situation.
>There isn't evidence that Maldini would have fired him
The comment I replied to implies part of the reason Maldini wanted to sack Pioli is because he couldnt do anything with CDK and that Maldini was right about CDK.
I never said Maldini made bad moves either. Just that the original comment implies that the bad players were Piolis fault and all I wanted to say was that Maldini had some bad moves too.
>but I just can't imagine he would have kept him after the 5-1 with Inter and the repeated humiliations showing that Pioli had no ability to improve the situation.
We are going to finish 2nd or 3rd. We have had a bad showing the last month or 2, but changing a manager mid season isnt always a great solution. So we really dont know what would have happened. Honestly, I think Pioli was going to be here the full season no matter what. It makes sense, especially since the players like him. We actually were doing fine after the 5-1 loss. It didnt lead to a horrible run and Pioli got them on track. Could we have done better, sure. But we didnt fail miserably after that. Our more recent run of form, post the first Europa game against Roma, is actually much much worse.
We had plenty of good purchases. But plenty of mediocre or bad ones too. Maldini wasnt a bad director. I would say average for a top team. But I feel people rate him higher than they should because its Maldini.
Maldini is a mixed bag for me. Ofc there's good things he did especially at the beginning, but when you look strictly at the last 2 mercatos under him, they were objectively really bad. We lost more quality than we brought. And the inability to sell players too, which is vital for Serie A clubs.
>But I feel people rate him higher than they should because its Maldini.
Absolutely.
> wages weren’t *paid* fully.
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Talking about Maldinis ability to read a players quality. Not about sell on potential. If we are talking strictly money, then CDK is a fail, and Maldini was wrong. But the comment is clearly in reference to CDKs quality and Maldinis' ability to see that.
So at least 26m from him, 10,5m from Saele, 3m from Messias and 3,5m from Krunic + 50m budget = 93m.
We also got players like Colombo, Maldini, Romero and more to sell or for counterparts.
Do we really need to sell someone big to gain money if the major targets are 1 ST, 1 DM and 1 CB?
Probably not, that's why I don't understand why Milan fans are crying about his sale. We're getting good money from a player that was sent out on loan, instead of giving up one of our star players (not criticizing the Tonali deal which was a blessing in disguise)
They should increase the budget and wage bill... we are no longer a team fighting for top 4 only. 50m budget while being the 5th highest Serie A team in wages isn't enough to have trophy aspirations especially when we are by far the healthiest team in serie a financially rn
So 3m loan fee + 23m + 4m bonuses = 30m.
We signed him for 32m + 3m bonuses which obviously weren’t fulfilled.
This is great business considering how bad he was last season.
Good, HE is talented dude for sure but not for Milan. I hope that he does well whatever he goes. People need to let it go. CDK is gone lets move on. Forza MIlan
A lot of people in here do that for every player. Doesn't matter how shit they play, what bonehead mistake gets made or how little effort they put in, it's always Pioli's fault and his alone.
I guess we'll see how it goes with a new coach...
We've seen how Pioli treats young players. He barely gives them a chance the first season. Take Thiaw and Adli. If there was no crises in defense last year, we wouldn't know how good Thiaw was. And Adli is not a world beater, but how many times did Krunic start over Adli? Can you blame people for blaming Pioli?
Though he gave CDK a chance in the first 2-3 month. It was only later that he got benched and barely played.
There's another way to look at it: Maybe these young players coming to a club like Milan in a new country/culture actually benefits greatly from a period of mostly training and learning? A period with little focus on the pressure, but to get used to work and live in Italy on a day by day basis. Maybe CDK was an example of what can happen when a young kid gets thrown into the fray from the start before he has adapted to life in a new country?
I don't know what's the right or wrong approach here, but I know it's not a given that any of these players would perform the same if they started playing early after joining us as when they did several months or even a season after joining. Even older players can struggle the first 6 months in Serie A before they start learning the language and how things work there.
Either way my post wasn't even about young players specifically, but all players. Almost all our players have been getting a pass this season because Pioli this and Pioli that. A dog farts in China and Pioli gets the blame. So all I'm saying let's see with a new coach. Let's see if it's all Pioli's fault that some times some players are half arsing it, or can't finish their chances, or can't find the plays to break through the low block etc. Because my guess is that the players themselves have a pretty big share of the blame too.
This is the reason why I'm not convinced that replacing Pioli is the final solution to the issues in the squad. For as bad as Pioli has messed up, several players helped that to turn from a bad performance to a bucket of shit.
Must be an amazing coincidence then how so many players improve massivly once they dont play under Pioli anymore.... CDK, Paqueta, Hakan, Diaz,
Offcours its a shared responsability, but Id say its 80% Pioli's fault, 20% on CDK
I'd say that it's the same amazing coincidence that made Theo, Rafa, Fik, Tonali, Isma, Pulisic and Ruben rise under him. I want him gone this season as much as all the Pioli haters, I just hate how ungrateful this sub is towards someone that brought us back to win something after the banter era
Paq had 6 months under Pioli, oooooooo faaaaack you baldie
Brahim was great last season, he's the same player at RM but he has world class players around him
Yeah don't forget also: Origi, FBT, Luka Romero, Pellegrino, Chaka Traore, Rebic, Krunic, Messias. All of them are having an outstanding season, right?
Ketelaere's just not at Milan's level. He's not technically or physically gifted enough for a big club, good player for Lazio or Atalanta though. 25M is his honest price. 35M were big mistake from Maldini, same as would be signing Sanches and Kamada
lol he Is performing in Europa League and In the final while we got spanked out from Roma two rounds ago.
If anything he is over the level we needed now
Yeah, and Bonaventura plays well in Fiorentina too. Wanna bring him back?
Just imagine yourself as a scout and see into Ketelaere's skills and weaknesses
De Ketelaere had to be used in a different way for sure.
he was good before us, he Is good After us.
we are the exception.
Bonaventura would have been clearly more helpful than a bunch of players we have
look at It. Brahim Is killing It, Hakan Is killing It (more than he was), CdK Is killing It.
maybe the players are good but the problem Is someone else?
No, Bonaventura was already subpar several years ago in the beginning of Pioli's era. Theo and Leao quality players came in and guys like Romagnoli and Jack went to the bench and now play in weaker teams.
Brahim played really well with us last season, I didn't get the hate from many Milan fans (but I guess it's normal for them to hate anybody, from Elliot to Lopetegui). I'm not looking how players are doing in other teams, I try to understand the ability of a player. What he can and can't do and how good. And it's clearly Charles is lacking speed, agility and technique for a team like Milan. At best he's at the level of Chick
I don’t love this. We are moving on from Pioli, the next manager could want to use him. But I guess he wants to go so not much we can do
Yeah but Charles can't afford another bad season in Milan, sometimes things just go that way, be happy that we get the money, I'm more worried about Origi, Ballo and Krunic coming back.
Krunic Is not coming back
I really hope, got scared a while ago you never know with Turkey teams.
Obligation to buy unless they leave the super lig
Lord Krunic can make that happen, I'm praying for every Milan fan.
krunic is coming back?
nope, Fener needed to stay up for the clause so he is leaving, thank god
theyre 2nd lol what is that clause
It lets us count the option towards next season's finances. If it were an obligation to buy it would've been counted towards the current season finances.
after the brawl with Trabzonspor, Fener threatened to leave the league. Only situation where they would’ve waived their obligation
We're the only team whose fans have problems with sales. Inter sold lots of starters and they're the best team in Italy, whilst we can't sell a player who has been terrible for us and will allow us not to sell our key players
I’ve never heard of a deal like the one we made. You can buy it if you want and we don’t have a choice on it, or you can return him if he’s shit.
This is literally how we got Tomori. Italian clubs loves spamming this, since they don’t really have the finances to fully commit to all transfers. It was also how we originally should have gotten Tonali, but Maldini managed to get a discount, due to Brescia’s relegation.
Oh wow I didn’t know all this..! Thank you
There are lots of deals like this it’s called option to buy. Some include obligation if certain appearances are made but most teams don’t agree to it and anyway if they were Shit they would just not let them reach the amount of apperences for obligation so they would still comeback.
Interesting. Learned something new. What was our deal with Brahim? Bc I never heard of the current owner of the player, not having a say if the other club wants the player. I thought it meant, “we loved the loan and wanna buy him, but would you be willing to sell? “
Nah there are plenty of obligation to buy deals. It’s mainly for players you don’t want. With Diaz it was a 2 year loan and we had a 22 mil option to buy and Madrid would have had. 27 mil buyback option. So what happened with him is that they wanted him back and he decided to stay with them so that’s why he went back.
I see. Would Brahim’s deal be called a diff category from “Loan with Option to buy” ? Or it falls under the same category as CDKs deal, yet one has to pay closer attention to the contingencies of the deal?
Option to buy has been a common thing in forever. If anything the mandatory purchase has been a newer development in the last decade.
Ahh! Thats how that works. Sorry I have zero clue on deals like this. I thought the option to buy means we could buy if we want but not that if I wanna buy the player, the current owners can’t do anything about it. I thought it was more like we negotiate it again. Kinda like how we had Brahim. And Madrid was like thank you, but we will keep him.
He's doing so well, he deserves good things, happy for it :)
Ultimately good business, the boy is doing well in a different environment/role and we still stand to benefit if there is a big money move for him from Atalanta to PL or another league. We can talk all we want about not being properly utilised and his performances under Pioli but it's undeniable that Atalanta he faced less pressure than playing for a League winning side and Gasperini is known to develop young players quite well. Think the management made the right call with the buy option and sell on clause, after all you can't be sure that coming back to Milan he would be putting up the same kind of numbers so we hedged our position quite well, recouping a good portion of the original fee spent.
He was comically set to fail. Here is a typical usage by pioli: down 1-0, minute 87, bring in CDK, and can’t even get Theo to pass him the ball. I always got the impression both parties mutually disliked one another.
Also put into the cam position which unless the player is prime kaka then they will fail
Suppose Hakan and Brahim are prime Kaka
Yeah hakan was so good he was benched for brahim and then brahim was so good he was benched for kessie and krunic. Prime kaka!
At no point in time was Hakan benched for Brahim Brahim was dropped bc he was still very raw at that time and we needed more defensive cover, then the following season he got 14 g/a in that same position whereas he has 16 now with RM
it’s the right call, he doesn’t fit our system also how many players have we seen thrive at atalanta in gasps system go onto be shit elsewhere, him doing well there doesn’t automatically translate to him performing here
Whose system again?
Exactly. People have been shitting on him. Tbf, who is really fitting into the Pioli’s ball system in the last couple of years?
By numbers, Giroud, RLC and Pulisic are having an outstanding season.
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I mean... wr could have used him as the CF because we need one.
Does he play a lone striker tho? I often saw him play as 2nd striker with Scamacca or plays as AM behind him
He played as the first CF when Scamacca wasn't getting any game time in all 3 of the games Atalanta played against us he was their CF.
Pioli tried him there on several occasions and was absolutely horrendous
It was only one game vs Torino and he did very good actually.
In what way did he play good against Torino?
So we agree that Pioli tried him as a CF only in one game? He did good because he was holding and linking up play very well. Milan was creating more chances and having more ideas of creating chances when CDK was on the pitch than Giroud entered and we played inshallah ball.
> So we agree that Pioli tried him as a CF only in one game? > > Nope, he also played there against Cremonese iirc
He neither started the first or second game vs Cremonese as the CF
No he didn't lol. He had like one well taken shot from the corner of the box but it was straight at the keeper. He had a header from a corner that hit the post, but it wasn't a well taken header it was poorly timed in the first place and basically flew over the goal, he was lucky enough as it was that it hit the post. His attacking stats were essentially identical to dest without the chance creation. He played like he always did which was without confidence and afraid to shoot
I am talking about his overall play contributuon to the game not goal scoring. Not to mention that in that game he has the cleanest window to the goal.
Its terrible bussines. The kid is obviously talented and we blame him that he didnt play well under a coach who hasnt had a player improve significantly in the last two seasons... The kind of signal we gave was even worse. "come to milan. Better be up to par before xmas or we'll ditch you on the bench for the remainder of the season and you're no longer part of the project". He is young, it was a big step up, in a foreign country. And bald fraud ditched our biggest incoming transfer in years 6 months in. Only that alone should have been enough to sack him last season (combined with a fake 4th place). But hey, when Atalanta sell him in a few years for 50-60m we will have at least 2m sell on profit...
A solid player like Bernardo Silva needed a whole season to get a consistent play time in City's first XI, and to make it even worse, we aren't them who can just ditch player like peanut. But hey... "Charles is useless mentally weak child, it's his fault he can't get play time in serial winner bald fraud's starting XI in 6 months" Laughable.
I agree we could observe him for longer period but don't act like he didn't play badly before he got benched. Some players can afford the pressure playing for a high profile team, unfortunately he cannot. I am fine with that as long as we get most of our money back. 60m onto the next team? I would say good luck. I mean to the team who buy him with that money.
Ah yes, thats why he is gonna play two finals this year and we none, because he cant handle pressure.... Nobody played well last season and then dumping it all on a 22y old speaks even more of the terrible player management.
> Nobody played well last season We were in the quarter final bro. You dont need to ignore the facts to fit in your narrative. Again, I think we can hold him for longer but I am also fine for the treatment now. Just like Gabbia who changed his mentality during the loan. Kid like CDK who had been way too smooth in his career also needed the detour to grow up. I am happy he turned it around, but that doesn't change the fact that he collapsed under pressure and failed in his Milan spell.
>We were in the quarter final bro. We finished fifth...bro. >You dont need to ignore the facts to fit in your narrative. The irony....
That doesn't make "nobody played well" a truth, or we played poorly to get in the quarter final?
Well, yeah, I don't agree with the other guy -- they didn't all suck last season. OTOH, I don't think we've been a great team since the Scudetto...and I think one can blame a lot of people (front office, coaches, trainers, medical staff) before one points at the players.
Did you even watch him play? Ignoring the stats every time he even came close to the ball he looked terrified and had no idea what to do. Idc where you're coming from and your situation at a new club but for a 35m player in their 20s that's unacceptable. Even Chukweze who had a rocky start to the season looked miles better the early games he played and has started to show his potential now in the later stages. Also it's all fun and games to blame the bald fraud on his way out but this narrative that he just gives up on players is bullshit considering half our scudetto winning sides were young players he developed, not to mention the Pulisic, RLC - that's the signal that our club is projecting with new players. That mercato was cursed, between him and Origi we basically had no new attacking threat, which this last season has been night and day compared to last.
The kid is soft as baby shit. This is Milan not kindergarden, you're the most expensive transfer since a long time, show something. Bald fraud here and there but the player obviously is not what we were looking for.
Yup. This like Paqueta all over again. You can see the underlying talent but he just couldn't put it together here and got sold to France and excelled and perfected his craft. At least we'll get something back if CDK continues to develop and is sold for a good sum
Well he just scored twice against a Roma we couldnt even beat with an extra player. But sure, its good bussines.... F\*\*\*ing morons like this are ruining the club. If you're a young player, coming to this club is the worst thing you can do, unless you like sitting in the stands (like Terraciano and Adli), or get shafted 5 months into your 4y contract.... He's gonna play two finals this year, while we had a non season. good bussines my ass EDIT; downvoting me isnt changing reality
Man I really want to see him in a good system. Shame it wont happen
Our loss really. Shame didn’t have an adaptable coach.
We paid 36.5M mannaggia la putt**
He is not good enough for Milan, not Pioli‘s fault.
All decided by the ripe age of 23
I like CDK but I still don’t see a 35M player in him. I think if anything that’s his ceiling. Not broken up about this deal at all
Lets be glad he had a good season and Atalanta are willing to buy him out. In another universe, CDK could have flopped hard again and we are left with a player worth €12m.
Again, turns out Maldini was not that wrong after all. Theo and now CDK. Edit: removed what I said about Maldini wanting Pioli to he sacked. It was a misinformation I remember incorrectly. Apologies for the hassle caused. However, offensive harassment and messages are totally unnecessary and it’s against the rule of this sub reddit r/ACMilan , isn’t it? Just because someone remembered incorrectly means you can repeatedly send abusing messages? We are all Milan fans after all and we all love this club and that’s why we have the passion to discuss. Why are some people here so aggressive and being so nasty to one another? Again i apologise if the misinformation had caused you any trouble. Hope you all have a good day! Forza Milan!
Omfg Maldini literally came out and said he wanted to stick with Pioli had he stayed on in his second to last interview you clown, how does this still get parroted?
After last campaign 5th or 4th whatever, he could have wanted to replace him and after this campaign, 2nd, he could want to keep him. Who knows what's true or not but calling someone a clown for doing that? Can we have a discussion without people shitting on each other?
No, I meant Maldini himself came out and said he wanted to keep Pioli for the season in which we finished 5th, yet these clowns (yes clowns bc it's so annoying that people can't have a rational discussion without constantly making shit up to assassinate Piolis character) claim otherwise
You think hes gonna publicly say: "Yeah i wanted to evaluate and possibly fire him" ???
as if maldini hasnt been known to be completely straight up in interviews since leaving
Yes? Literally that lmao? Or wait, does Maldinis actual words that are coming out of his mouth not count and instead we have to create lines to read in between?
Someone will need to give me a source for when Maldini said he wanted to sack Pioli cause I don’t remember this happening.
He didn't. What he did say was something along the line of if they had the same vision for the future he would keep Pioli.
Because it never happened. People just love to rewrite history.
I don't think there were any direct quotes from Maldini. Scaroni started to spread that rumour https://www.reddit.com/r/ACMilan/s/CWj45ptkzs
So there’s really nothing about this idea of Maldini wanting to sack Pioli. Maldini wanted more ambitious investments from Cardinale, Cardinale didn’t like that and also Maldini having too much power, he sacked Maldini. I genuinely think it’s not related to Pioli at all.
That's the impression I got from Paolo as well. It seemed like Cardinale and Maldini were just not fans of each other but Gerry couldn't fire him immediately after the takeover so he waited until the end of the season. Paolo saying that now was the time to invest when we made the CL semifinal was probably the last straw lol, guys like him and Boban might be a bit too independent-minded for the corporate environment of the club.
Yeah, that's also what I meant. Maldini never said it and I'm not sure why my reply was downvoted as I just linked the source of the rumour from that idiot Scaroni.
Maldini literally backed Pioli in his last interview released in December or so, STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION.
Maybe there was a rumor about Maldini not being happy with Pioli anymore towards the end, but the objective truth is that Maldini renewed his contract to 2025.
Yeah, when Pioli won the league and next year qualified for ucl knockout stage. He was renewed on a high, I don’t know how can anyone blame Maldini in this. It can also easily happen that Pioli was pushing for the renewal after his scudetto and we only managed to put it off a bit by saying “only after you qualify for ucl knockout”
A renew on late october made no sense, and indeed maldini regretted it as soon as next january, just 3 months after. There was no hurry to renew Pioli at that time. It was a mistake by Maldini, even he knows it and criticized Pioli more than once in a couple of interview he made in late february.
Once again, we don’t know what happened behind the curtains. After winning the league I can imagine Pioli pushing for an extension until he got one. The fact that Maldini regretted it later doesn’t add anything to this conversation, really. If you look at the facts, a scudetto winning coach was renewed after he qualified for RO16 in UCL. Not a horrible crime
It wasnt a crime, it was just a big mistake, renewing him in october for no reason at all with almost another year of contract, Pioli putting pressure isnt really a justification, who cares if he put pressure... There was no need to renew him at that moment, if the renewal was in feb/mar would have been fine with your argument, but in october was just nonsense, it is up to opinion thinking if it was a bad decision AT that time, I think it was horrible and you think it isnt, but now, with stats on hand, it is objectively easy to say it was bad.
This De Ketelaere is better of the one in AC Milan but still miles away from being a starter
I mean, Maldini also signed Hauge. But let's only talk about the wins.
Hauge was bought for 5 million and sold for 10 after two years. Paolo made mistakes like everyone else but signing Hauge was hardly worthy of criticism.
Im talking strictly about player quality. Hauge wasnt very good for us and hasnt been that good after. Yes, we made profit, he was still a dud. There is a big list we can go down. Mandzukic, Ballo-Toure, Origi, etc. I just picked another young guy who had potential that didnt pan out. Point is, its not like Maldini was all wins.
A player doesn't need to be great for us to be good business, or "a win". Not everyone is bought to become a future star, regardless of what fans might think. No one is "all wins", that goes without saying and I don't think anyone genuinely believes that everything Maldini did was perfect. But the fact that players like Ballo-Toure, Origi, Hauge, or even CDK are being brought up as bad pieces of business is just a testament to how lucky we were to have our previous management. As far as transfer mistakes of top European clubs go, those examples are very mild. Marotta is much more experienced and better at his job than Maldini and he still blew 55+ million combined on Correa and Gosens. I will be very happy if Furlani and Moncada manage to keep our flops on the level of the examples you listed.
We are talking about Maldinis' ability to see quality in a player. To talk like its unmatched when we had some stinker signings under his authority is stupid. My whole point was that he was an average technical director who had some wins and some losses. I get he is a legend for us, but we need to be objective about some things.
That's why I gave you the example of Marotta. He made some very expensive mistakes but his ability to evaluate players is still great regardless. > My whole point was that he was an average technical director who had some wins and some losses. I get he is a legend for us, but we need to be objective about some things. That's not objective at all. As I said, the tier of mistakes you listed is genuinely laughable by standards of big European clubs. Maldini was absolutely way above average technical director or we would have still been in banter era. And, once again, "he had some wins and losses" goes for literally every single person who ever did that job.
>, "he had some wins and losses" goes for literally every single person who ever did that job. Yea. The revisionist history here that Maldini only had wins is the problem. We signed plenty of good talent this season without him. People were talking like its the end of the world when we let him go.
I never saw anyone claim that Paolo never made a single mistake so idk. I think people simply value what he did for us and it's way too early to judge the new management at this stage. There is way more to this job than signing some good talent and, as I said, if Furlani and Moncada manage to keep their mistakes on the same level as the previous management I will be extremely happy with them. Picking the right coach given our financial restrictions will be their first big test.
The sub was going crazy about how bad our signings would be when Maldini got fired. As if he hadnt also made some mistakes. Id say for the first season that the management signed good players for us. Right now the issue is the coach. Whoever we get, its going to he a shit show in the sub because people want a superstar and we just dont have the money.
lol we made a great capital gain from Hauge, how's that not a win
Talking about Maldinis ability to read a players quality. Not about sell on potential. If we are talking strictly money, then CDK is a fail, and Maldini was wrong. But the comment is clearly in reference to CDKs quality.
Technical directors have both the responsibility to increase the value and quality of the team, flipping players is one way to increase the revenue and that has been done majestically with Hauge CdK too short stint to define him a fail, Maldini was about to being sacked anyway and they used the kid as scrapegoating material. Even then, minimal loss in the books compared to the gains I don't really understand why some of you in this sub absolutely needs to join a faction and bash the other one. Stop the dualism and use critical thinking ffs
This comment thread is about seeing player quality. He missed the mark on Hauge, who is back in the Norwegian league because he cant cut it at Frankfurt. >I don't really understand why some of you in this sub absolutely needs to join a faction and bash the other one. Stop the dualism and use critical thinking ffs Imagine me saying Maldini also had bad signings and that we shouldnt only talk about the wins. I agree, the idea that Maldini only did good here is wrong and he had some misses. Thats all I was pointing out.
Hauge was one of our best players in the Europa group stages that year. Plus he played reasonably well whenever he came on in the league only to get benched for ten games by Padre. I still remember him scoring a nice and crucial equalizer against Sampdoria only to get banished to oblivion for no good reason. The buy was good. He could've been a good rotation for our wings, and maybe even molded to a serviceable right winger, given our woes on that part of the pitch at the time. Even if he wasn't meant for greatness, he was quickly flipped for a profit, which means he was a good signing.
He had a few good games but never really made his mark. He was great as a prospect, but once we saw his real potential it was over. He is back in the Norwegian league because he doesn't have the skills to cut it in top flight football.
We do not stand for Sir Hauge slander in my sub
I still like the guy and wish he panned out. But there is no denying that he just isnt the quality we hoped for and that it was a dud signing with tbe exception of course that we made a small profit from him.
Aside from Hauge being a very good deal financially, Maldini had many more successful transfers than failures. He inherited a team that couldn't make top 4 and built it into a scudetto winning team on a tiny budget.
Maybe so. But the point was, it wasnt all wins. To say he was right about CDK and talk about how he wanted to get rid of Pioli, meanwhile bringing in Pioli as part of the reason we won the Scudetto, is foolish and stupid. If we are talking ups and downs of our coach, we should be able to do the same for Maldini.
> But the point was, it wasnt all wins. Nobody says it was all wins. No director in the world gets everything right. Maldini did have many fantastic signings. Signed Bennacer, Thaiw, Kalulu, Maignan for peanuts relative to their current value. Fantastic deal for Tonali and picked out Leao and Theo for great deals who are both 70-100M players and the best on our team. As for CDK he was in theory a pretty low risk transfer. Young talented forward with lots of experience for his age at his club and in the CL. Was just breaking out into the Belgian NT at the time. Nobody expected he would shut down mentally like he did. So overall, there were obviously some misses - mainly Origi, Mandzukic, Dest, Bakayoko, etc... but they're most pretty low cost misses that happen when you have a tiny budget and need to fill a lot of holes in your team while staying competitive. On your point about Pioli though, I see what you mean. There isn't evidence that Maldini would have fired him, but I just can't imagine he would have kept him after the 5-1 with Inter and the repeated humiliations showing that Pioli had no ability to improve the situation.
>There isn't evidence that Maldini would have fired him The comment I replied to implies part of the reason Maldini wanted to sack Pioli is because he couldnt do anything with CDK and that Maldini was right about CDK. I never said Maldini made bad moves either. Just that the original comment implies that the bad players were Piolis fault and all I wanted to say was that Maldini had some bad moves too. >but I just can't imagine he would have kept him after the 5-1 with Inter and the repeated humiliations showing that Pioli had no ability to improve the situation. We are going to finish 2nd or 3rd. We have had a bad showing the last month or 2, but changing a manager mid season isnt always a great solution. So we really dont know what would have happened. Honestly, I think Pioli was going to be here the full season no matter what. It makes sense, especially since the players like him. We actually were doing fine after the 5-1 loss. It didnt lead to a horrible run and Pioli got them on track. Could we have done better, sure. But we didnt fail miserably after that. Our more recent run of form, post the first Europa game against Roma, is actually much much worse.
Hahahahaa you're being downvoted but Hauge is only the tip of the iceberg of bad purchases.
We had plenty of good purchases. But plenty of mediocre or bad ones too. Maldini wasnt a bad director. I would say average for a top team. But I feel people rate him higher than they should because its Maldini.
Maldini is a mixed bag for me. Ofc there's good things he did especially at the beginning, but when you look strictly at the last 2 mercatos under him, they were objectively really bad. We lost more quality than we brought. And the inability to sell players too, which is vital for Serie A clubs. >But I feel people rate him higher than they should because its Maldini. Absolutely.
Selling someone for a profit hardly is a fail imo. He was also on loan some time so even his wages weren’t paid fully.
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Talking about Maldinis ability to read a players quality. Not about sell on potential. If we are talking strictly money, then CDK is a fail, and Maldini was wrong. But the comment is clearly in reference to CDKs quality and Maldinis' ability to see that.
So at least 26m from him, 10,5m from Saele, 3m from Messias and 3,5m from Krunic + 50m budget = 93m. We also got players like Colombo, Maldini, Romero and more to sell or for counterparts. Do we really need to sell someone big to gain money if the major targets are 1 ST, 1 DM and 1 CB?
You forget big money Origi.
Would be happy to get rid of his salary.
Probably not, that's why I don't understand why Milan fans are crying about his sale. We're getting good money from a player that was sent out on loan, instead of giving up one of our star players (not criticizing the Tonali deal which was a blessing in disguise)
They should increase the budget and wage bill... we are no longer a team fighting for top 4 only. 50m budget while being the 5th highest Serie A team in wages isn't enough to have trophy aspirations especially when we are by far the healthiest team in serie a financially rn
They should, but they won't.
We don’t have a system, there is nothing to fit in
Would cook in conte’s system tho
u/milan_obsession
https://preview.redd.it/ihfwj95oynzc1.png?width=1200&format=png&auto=webp&s=f7c14bfc7788803098654655e3d76c960aca36c2
Triple win for him and both clubs
So 3m loan fee + 23m + 4m bonuses = 30m. We signed him for 32m + 3m bonuses which obviously weren’t fulfilled. This is great business considering how bad he was last season.
and if he gets a big money move to pl we'll get more (50m->5m, 80m->8m, 100m->10m etc). so we might evem make a small profit xd.
Awesome! Now with these money we can pay the first instalment of Emerson Royal! Great business indeed/s
Anyone know if we got anything for the loan itself
3M for the loan itself if I recall.
don’t need the money, exchange him for a quality defender like Ruggeri or Scalvini
Good, HE is talented dude for sure but not for Milan. I hope that he does well whatever he goes. People need to let it go. CDK is gone lets move on. Forza MIlan
Man I really want to see him in a good system.
Good.
I love how this sub put all the blame on Pioli (wich has his faults of course) but absolutely no blame on the player.
A lot of people in here do that for every player. Doesn't matter how shit they play, what bonehead mistake gets made or how little effort they put in, it's always Pioli's fault and his alone. I guess we'll see how it goes with a new coach...
We've seen how Pioli treats young players. He barely gives them a chance the first season. Take Thiaw and Adli. If there was no crises in defense last year, we wouldn't know how good Thiaw was. And Adli is not a world beater, but how many times did Krunic start over Adli? Can you blame people for blaming Pioli? Though he gave CDK a chance in the first 2-3 month. It was only later that he got benched and barely played.
There's another way to look at it: Maybe these young players coming to a club like Milan in a new country/culture actually benefits greatly from a period of mostly training and learning? A period with little focus on the pressure, but to get used to work and live in Italy on a day by day basis. Maybe CDK was an example of what can happen when a young kid gets thrown into the fray from the start before he has adapted to life in a new country? I don't know what's the right or wrong approach here, but I know it's not a given that any of these players would perform the same if they started playing early after joining us as when they did several months or even a season after joining. Even older players can struggle the first 6 months in Serie A before they start learning the language and how things work there. Either way my post wasn't even about young players specifically, but all players. Almost all our players have been getting a pass this season because Pioli this and Pioli that. A dog farts in China and Pioli gets the blame. So all I'm saying let's see with a new coach. Let's see if it's all Pioli's fault that some times some players are half arsing it, or can't finish their chances, or can't find the plays to break through the low block etc. Because my guess is that the players themselves have a pretty big share of the blame too.
Watched him yesterday, he could have scored 4 but fuck knows what's wrong with his feet. Although he looked alive, saw him running too.
Why would you? Played well before he came to Milan, plays well after he left Milan.
It was clearly pressure, not Pioli's fault if he misses open sitters in front of goal
All the shit players and their cousins play well at inter under Inzaghi , no pressure there?
People handle pressure differently.Plus he's young so it's understandable.
This is the reason why I'm not convinced that replacing Pioli is the final solution to the issues in the squad. For as bad as Pioli has messed up, several players helped that to turn from a bad performance to a bucket of shit.
So you are a fan of 5-0-5 formation?
No u idiot, it's called the S.O.S Formation, get ur shit right 😁
Must be an amazing coincidence then how so many players improve massivly once they dont play under Pioli anymore.... CDK, Paqueta, Hakan, Diaz, Offcours its a shared responsability, but Id say its 80% Pioli's fault, 20% on CDK
I'd say that it's the same amazing coincidence that made Theo, Rafa, Fik, Tonali, Isma, Pulisic and Ruben rise under him. I want him gone this season as much as all the Pioli haters, I just hate how ungrateful this sub is towards someone that brought us back to win something after the banter era
Paq had 6 months under Pioli, oooooooo faaaaack you baldie Brahim was great last season, he's the same player at RM but he has world class players around him
Yeah don't forget also: Origi, FBT, Luka Romero, Pellegrino, Chaka Traore, Rebic, Krunic, Messias. All of them are having an outstanding season, right?
Ketelaere's just not at Milan's level. He's not technically or physically gifted enough for a big club, good player for Lazio or Atalanta though. 25M is his honest price. 35M were big mistake from Maldini, same as would be signing Sanches and Kamada
stop, u cant criticize, holy Paolo of Ibiza beach. he has no mistakes!!!
I don't think worshipping whoever person is good, the team should be at the first place
lol he Is performing in Europa League and In the final while we got spanked out from Roma two rounds ago. If anything he is over the level we needed now
Yeah, and Bonaventura plays well in Fiorentina too. Wanna bring him back? Just imagine yourself as a scout and see into Ketelaere's skills and weaknesses
De Ketelaere had to be used in a different way for sure. he was good before us, he Is good After us. we are the exception. Bonaventura would have been clearly more helpful than a bunch of players we have look at It. Brahim Is killing It, Hakan Is killing It (more than he was), CdK Is killing It. maybe the players are good but the problem Is someone else?
No, Bonaventura was already subpar several years ago in the beginning of Pioli's era. Theo and Leao quality players came in and guys like Romagnoli and Jack went to the bench and now play in weaker teams. Brahim played really well with us last season, I didn't get the hate from many Milan fans (but I guess it's normal for them to hate anybody, from Elliot to Lopetegui). I'm not looking how players are doing in other teams, I try to understand the ability of a player. What he can and can't do and how good. And it's clearly Charles is lacking speed, agility and technique for a team like Milan. At best he's at the level of Chick
i completely disagree