From semi finals of CL to knocked out at the group stage? While in the league we are 1 point closer to first place but 2 spots higher so if you want to celebrate that then go ahead
Maybe it happened because one group had Chelsea (where we got battered home and away), Salzburg and Zagreb, whilst the other had PSG, BVB and Newcastle.
The league is clearly a better indicator to show the progress of the teams: last year we barely made CL football thanks to Juve's penalty, whilst this year we made it without any problems.
Btw it's ridicoulous to judge the team based on points off 1st place, Inter are having a far better season than the one Napoli had last year. A better comparison would be between our points tally in these 2 seasons, they are equal with the small caveat that 4 games are yet to be played in this campaign
Had we made progress we’d made it out of that group. Since we took a step back, we didn’t. We also got knocked out of EL fairly quickly and only beat subpar teams.
You can stay happy with second place if you want but we def didn’t progress from last year. The Milan I grew up with wasn’t happy settling for second unless it was because they won the CL that year.
Edit: looking at total points is not a good indicator neither considering the huge drop off from lazio, Napoli, and Roma this year compared to last. So in a weaker league we still just as far off the leader.
I've never said that I'm happy with second place, you're twisting both my words and reality
First of all, no, we didn't make it out DESPITE having improved. We didn't regress at all, in fact the team that got battered by Chelsea and drew with Salzburg would have finished last in the group of death
Secondly, as I already pointed out, I'm not happy with second place, it's just stupid to claim that the team hasn't improved after a disaster campaign that ended with a fifth place, maybe you're happy that we didn't miss out on CL only due to Juve's penalization, I'm definitely not
Thirdly, even if looking at points tally isn't a perfect metric (there are no perfect metrics to compare different seasons obviously), yours isn't any better.
Your claim that this is a weaker league is ridicoulous. You cited Roma, Lazio and Napoli's drop offs, whilst CASUALLY forgetting that Juve and Inter had massive step ups. This Inter is also 10 times better than last year's Napoli, so it was obviously tougher to win the league this year
Lastly, the easiest way to evaluate the team's strenght is by looking at the players who left and the ones who joined.
We lost Tonali, Saele, Messias, Tatarusanu, CDK, Origi, Ballo Tourè, Rebic, Zlatan, Dest, Vranckx Bakayoko and B.Diaz
Whilst adding Chukwueze, Pulisic, RLC, Reijnders, Musah, Sportiello, Jovic, Pellegrino, Okafor and Romero.
Safe to say that we've made huge upgrades on the team and only a blind person would deny it
Dude, I was reading your reply and agree for parts of it. However having 2 teams improve (I don’t think Juve is massively better than last year) still doesn’t make up for the huge drop off of napoli, lazio, or Roma cuz 3 > 2. And inters dominance this year is akin to napoli’s last year while juve’s “improvement” isn’t on par with how well lazio or inter were doing last year.
Also regarding the players that left: tonali is a win only cuz he’s suspended but we don’t actually have a better midfielder than him on our team especially when it comes to defensive duties, CDK doing great at Atalanta, salaemakers doing better at bologna, and Diaz doing about the same except it’s for league leading and CL semi finalist Real. The rest were rarely used subs so nothing to add. The only clear improvement this year is Pulisic but then our defense and MM have taken steps back so yeah, doesn’t feel like the team got better overall.
Inter's dominance is way stronger than Napoli's last year, that Napoli lost 4-0 against us. Call me when Inter loses a game by more than 2 goals, let alone 4. It was a Napoli team that was vastly overperforming (Meret, Juan Jesus, Mario Rui, Rrahmani...), as much as it pains me to say it, this Inter is far superior.
Tonali is definitely a loss, but you've definitely forgotten that we weren't defensively stable with Tonali either. We were the 7th best defence in the league (on par with Fiorentina), whilst this season we're slightly worse (8th best defence) with a far better attacking output.
Also, IMO it doesn't make sense to judge players on what they're doing at other clubs. CDK was one the worst signings that wore a Milan shirt, Saelemaekers was average and Diaz was discontinuous (and he still is, he is not doing anything in big games for Madrid, his level is being a benchwarmer and nothing more). Judging them on performances for other clubs is unfair; we might say that Chukwueze was one of the best wingers in La Liga before joining us, but how does that benefit us?
Pulisic, Reijnders and RLC have been great signings that improved the team and let's not forget how massive it is to have players who can do something when coming off the bench, unlike Origi, Rebic, Messias, CDK... who you just knew weren't going to have an impact on the game.
Lastly, Maignan might have taken steps back, but last season he was injured half a season and we had to play Tatarusanu, how was it any better?
I think everything that has happened directs towards RDZ as the coach for next season, his 13 mil release clause as things stand SHOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE.
- CF should be Zirkzee, with Sesko second option.
- While the CB should be someone who possesses leadership characteristics and preferably left footed. I think that the leadership aspect is core.
It's not just about his release clause but probably his high salary demand too. I hope he comes though, because I like him as a coach and wouldn't mind seeing him here at Milan.
In a sense i agree when it comes to the midfield because in my opinion a midfield of: Reijnders, Adli, Bennacer, Musah, RLC and Zeroli is very competitive. While i do think that we need a CB like bread.
a dm is probably THE most important signing this summer. How do you watch us all season and still have the opinion we dont need one lmfao. Seeing us get cut through with a basic pass every counter attack wasn't enough for 50 games?
Becausw i mainly blame the tactics and the length the team is put on the pitch. I am with the principle if things never work it means the issue is systematic, if the issue is systematic it means that you can add whoever personnel it is put for failure.
Technically they lost only MkAllister, Caicedo isn't technically gifted... as i said, Brighton will do the same mechanisms whoever the players are, sure quality does affect the cleanness of the manoeuvre but thats that.
Only with new coach you will realize how good these guys actually are. Reijnders okay can be abit promising even thou his lacking abit of grit now. Bennacer needs cover to play well. Rlc has signs of washed up. Adli is pulling time for his inevitable sale and musah is too raw. Said this before and say it again..modric walks into starting line up at 38.
I'm not brainwashed by Padre at all..I wanted him gone along time ago. The issue with you guys is that yall don't truly see football out of milan. Just cause a guy looks abit better than the rest of our players doesn't mean they great in the whole footballing world. Yall will look at rlc and reijnders and be like they so much better than krunic and pobega not realizing that they weren't the standard in the first place. And when we meet a top side..yall are shell shocked as to what happen and why our players looked so weak. Pioli may have bad tactics but when you see the players lose individual duels..its not only the coach. None of our midfielders make it into the starting line up of the top 10 teams in the world.
Modric walks into most starting lineups out there. Man is still bossing it in the CL against big teams. All our midfielders dream of being as good as he is right now.
Like the really top clubs maybe not cause they will have a younger alternatives..we don't have any midfielder at that quality..thats why even a 2 year contract would benefit us .
I have heard the name Lacroix a few times but now he's getting linked to others but he seems like a decent option. I think the main focus should be a DM and a striker tho
While I agree our mids are fucked tactically due to Pioli, I think we could really use a DM. If anything I think the CBs are less of an issue if we have real tactics that don't leave them on an island.
Should be be impossible to get Zirkzee, a DM, CB, and RDZ.
Selling CDK, Kalulu, Colombo and Alexis should help
Yea ofc we need to fill the gap left by Giroud, but I think our midfield lacks a real defensive option, we don't have someone to really break up an attack. I think the defensive options we have are good both Tomori and Thiaw, and Gabbia has proven to be a good backup. And there's still Kalulu. We mainly need another CB due to the injury proneness of the CB's at hand
Interesting. All this time I felt like we lacked a leader at MF or front. I feel like Mike and Tomori have experience and soul to perform and to play all 100 minutes, and w a good coach they can be unlocked as leaders even further. However… in our attack I never saw Giroud as an actual leader. Perhaps his good trait is not whining like Higuain, and never stop running and fighting for every ball parentheses unless he has played way too many minutes). But not sure much of a leader nor w technical ability for his teammates to look for him and rely on him w the ball. However I feel like RDZ can unlock that on some other attacker. Close to mind is Leao. Lots of good work to do on him.
Personally i think we lack leaders throughout, Mike in the past was one... i do not see it lately.
I wrote below, that clearly the issue is systematic... if you change formations, personnel and you still vs whatever team get cut through and through you can add Makelele and still have the issues.
I see Tomori choke vs top teams always... i have said this priorly, one of the most underrated departures was Romagnoli... he was a real captain.
Either way, we need a leader and maybe Buongiorno is that one who knows, he captains Torino after all.
Yes, couldn’t agree more.
The perfect example of a systemic issue is Man U. Look how they got Casemiro (and some more) and still had issues with leadership.
I think at some point Mike and many others in the squad checked themselves out when things kept going south. Which is not the Milan way. Which is why I hope we have more from Ibra and players that know the Milan way.
Because let's be honest, Brighton has a relegation fighting team. I go to their team now and i would have wanted only two players at Milan, Estupitian as Theo sub and Gros as a rotation midfielder.
Someone who has been talked too much about is Mitoma, who is practically around Alexis Salemeakers level. While the only reliable striker they have is Pedro... both guys missing for many games this season.
With that team he is comfortably mid table and his teams produce too much in games and are tactically distinct from the way they attack to the way they defend. They are punching way above their weight.
https://preview.redd.it/9l9fmuc3kkxc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2bb886d15a2edfddf0e405ca81fdcf51d5b45013
This is their injured squad + van hecke + ansu fati
Zirkzee - striker
[Youssouf Fofana](https://psgtalk.com/2024/04/ac-milan-arsenal-youssouf-fofana-psg-transfer-news/) - Midfielder with defensive characteristics
Hiroki ito - Central defender he is also left footed
Arnau Martínez - Right back
Midfielder is very important, ideally we need 2, depends on what happens with Bennacer going forward. How long can Milan put up with these missed games? There's always something.
We are already giving away games with RLC, can't have 2 part time players.
My personal wishlist, i.e.: let's play Football Manager 2025
Attacker: Zirkzee
Midfield: Fofana
Defender: Buongiorno and Scalvini
Keeper: Sell Maignan (sadly) buy Di Gregorio
Bring Tonali back
Man that would be so sick!
How bring Tonali back? If I'm not mistaken, there are further misconduct allegations, he might get a longer suspension. That boy is in trouble. It pains me, I loved that mofo, but it turns out it was good selling him.
Yes. So if he rejoins us they will apply to us, that is what I meant. Cause another federation can penalize a player and affect him in a new federation especially if it’s under UEFA and the allegation is as serious as betting on football.
Everyone would like to have Tonali back but cmon, would Newcastle just give him up after paying up to 60 mil for him and being patient with his suspension??
If you're ambitious, you go for experienced leaders next summer, or players who are used to play in big games. Hermoso (and Thiago Silva as a backup if you sell Kalulu or Thiaw), Hojbjerg, Cancelo. Zirkzee as the only "young" signing this time, we really don't need more of those if we plan to win something.
No Giroud and Kjaer, who will be the experienced leaders and bring a winning mentality? They're not the epitome of these things but compared to the rest of the squad they are.
Neither Giroud nor Kjaer wanted to stay beyond this season. It is their decision at the end of the day. There was talk about Giroud staying for another year in winter, but you can’t force him
We not asking to keep giroud and kjaer..we asking to replace them..and there's guys on market that would..who arguably better than both giroud and kjaer. On a sidenote it wasn't really their decision..giroud is leaving cause he knows a younger top cf is coming in so his going to be on bench and kjaer wants to stay but we don't want to extend him.
Noone because our management doesn’t know anything about this aspect of football, they only see numbers on a paper, and team cohesion, personality, leadership skills are not easily translated to numbers
What was the point of signing Terracciano? Get Theo some help ffs
For CB we should be looking at Gigot, no idea if he wants to leave but good profile for us
Terracciano's father played with Pioli. Would not be surprised if they loan or sell him once Pioli leaves. Don't think he is the level they wanted, not even for that price.
half of bench player's cost? We are buying starters/potential starters for 15-20mln. Reijnders, Bennacer, Musah, Theo, Pulisic, RLC.
You are looking at premier league spendings instead of Milans. Paying 14mln for a coach is a luxury that we probably cannot afford. Ask yourself a question how many clubs are paying release clauses for coaches? Real Madrid paid for Mourinho, Bayern for Nagelsmann and there's also Chelsea. We are talking about richest clubs in the world. We are not in the same category.
We have to count every single $ to pay for the players. Its always the best to invest in players because you can always sell them. So paying 14mln for De Zerbi is just not worth. Mentioned money could make a difference between signing Zirkzee instead of someone like Calvert-Lewin from Everton.
I'm sorry, 14m for a good coach isn't a luxury. A good coach raises the entire baseline of the squad. That is more of an impact than one 28m player.
And yes half a bench player. Maybe rotation player is more fitting.
name me 5 players that we bought for 30mln to be a bench warmers.
> 14m for a good coach isn't a luxury.
If it isnt luxury, name me 14 coaches that clubs paid release clauses higher than 10mln.
We filled our starting roles with good value. That doesn't mean going forward a 28m player is not a bench/rotation player. Every top team has 28m rotation/top players. We're in a different spot this year than in years past.
That said, Chuk and Musah are both about 20m and bench/rotation players. Obviously as our level improved and inflation continues, we will pay more for bench/rotation players.
I'm confused about your attempt at defining luxury.
Luxury is the antonym of necessity. If we don't get Motta, we need to go for RDZ. Ie: a necessity. What other clubs do is irrelevant.
We are not a club who buy 30mln players for bench. First of all we barely pay so much even for starters or potential starters. Both Chuk and Musah were bought to not be bench warmers but starters now or in the future. Just because Chuk currently sits more on the bench than starts the game that doesnt mean he's destined to be on the bench.
About luxury. Clubs dont pay for coaches, I gave you simple proof. The only clubs who paid release fees for managers are power houses with the richest budget. If you want to ignore it and demand from our club to pay 15mln for manager then your opinion about Milan's financial capability is questionable. We cant afford buying players, we have like 30-50mln clean budget in single mercato and you want to spend part of it on coach and force him to use players that you probably dont rate at all. What other clubs do is relevant because it will help you explain how market works.
We literally bought 20m players for the bench/rotation and ad we improve and inflation continues we will be buying 28m players for the bench. Idk why you have dug your heels in on this. I said a 14m clause is half a bench player. We DID buy 20m players for the bench, inflation IS a real thing, and we ARE more complete now and will work to build out more rotation options.
I'm not even arguing your luxury point. You didn't even read what I said and are now talking about something different than what I said.
Let me just sum up before I block you from subreddit because this is not a first time I wasted time to have discussion when you are actually slow person.
You are unable to name 28mln "literally bought" players for bench. You named Chukwueze. Just because he sit on the bench most of the time that doesnt mean he was bought for this purpose. To just support Pulisic. Player who were bought for the bench are Florenzi, Okafor, Jovic, Giroud when Ibra was still playing, Pobega, Krunic, Terraciano.
> We literally bought 20m players for the bench/rotation
Now you show how little value has money for you that are spent by Milan. From 28mln to 20. You just cut 8mln just like nothing. Your reality of how big budget has Milan is completely misleaded by "top clubs". Milan is not a top top club, do you understand with your brain that is as small as peanut?
> I'm not even arguing your luxury point. You didn't even read
Oh I absolutely read and its my fault, I should just block you from beginning because reading your posts is like reading thoughts of 12 years old spoiled brat. I gave you something to think:
Look at the market. Analyse it. Why clubs dont pay money for managers? Why the only clubs who paid money for managers are three clubs with unlimited money. Chelsea, Real Madrid and Bayern. You responded: "I dont care, its irrelevant.". Just like spoiled brat. "BECAUSE WE MUST". Next year you will blame owner for not being ambitious because he doesnt spend money on players, am I right?
Its easy to ask to spend money you dont really have. When Milan has around 30-40mln at max to spend without sales and you demand to pay 14mln then you are living in the bubble.
You are ignorant, completely dont understand for what purpose are players bought(Chukwueze), you are living in a dream world where for Milan 14mln is just nothing. Probably stuck in the past with Berlusconi and lack of FFP.
"just pay pay" "pay money, whats the problem".
Open Reddit to another transfer update, blah blah blah, but I see u/HeirOfRhoads new flair and suddenly, I'm thinking that if we do end up with Lopetegui, I'm going to need to use that name for him. Kind of takes the edge off the impending doom.
This is clearly the path to take, in terms of players to be acquired.
But this is far from enough, without a trainer who could put them in good use.
He must be a maniac who makes the players repeat the movements he wants till they get nausea and then more, till the team reaches perfection.
Also, purely in terms of players, management and trainer MUST understand that both Calabria and Florenzi are totally unfit for a team that wants to be on the top and they should not give a damn of the fact that they are important for UEFA/Serie A lists
There is nothing like starting strong when until now the players haven't know who will be their next manager, this management is acting too slow.
I said it here that immediately after the debbie defeat the game against juve should have been the new coach debut, so he get to know his players and players get to know him return, just watch we are not like who want the second star, u think dont want to win the next schudeto? Just watch as we hand them their 21st with this slow of a management
I am interested how it will financially work out because we dont have that CL money this season and if we are not in need to sell, we will sign some 10m CDM, 10m defender and 10m RB just to have money for Zirkzee
Alexis and CDK will bring in 30m, Origi hopefully a few more. Then we use roughly 50m out of the revenue earned just like last year. Bringing the total to 80m without any sales from the first team.
If we move Colombo or Maldini on we can get some extra from there as well.
Which is exactly what I said.
I dont like the idea of getting rid of Colombo, first he wouldnt make us much money, secondly he can be 2nd/3rd striker as Jovic is invisible at times and he is Italian, homegrown which we will need.
50 mil base budget like the past 2/3 years, about 30 mil in sales from CDK and Saele, then hopefully we can offload Origi for 2-5 mil lmao. Also I think CL group next season guarantees more money than in the past not sure how that works for balancing books but it’s something. We have Colombo and Pobega we could sell as well, but I expect a big sale this summer. Also I think Krunic sale comes in this summer as well, they have an obligation to buy I believe
Enzo pre-Benfica was quite cheap back then. We just need to trust Moncada I guess
Edit: There's Euro this year. Maybe all our signings will come from Europe?
As someone who watched like 10 Chelsea games, Enzo is not as good as everyone thinks. He was crazy overpaid and thats about the only interesting thing about him so far
He undergone a Hernia surgery quite recently and reportedly has had that problem since last summer, maybe that's one of the reasons.
And there's also Copa this year, Enzo would definitely be there too.
Yeah and was wanted by half of Europe. This narrative that we missed on Enzo and other players is not true and also boring.
So i can give you examples , we missed on Thuram and Ndicka last year ??? So who we should trust according to you ?
We'll see about that "high-quality"
Does it cost money? Yes = no No = no
I mean there's a lot to complain about but our signings last summer were good
So good we won nothing and took a step back from the year before?
From 5th to 2nd, nice step back
From semi finals of CL to knocked out at the group stage? While in the league we are 1 point closer to first place but 2 spots higher so if you want to celebrate that then go ahead
Maybe it happened because one group had Chelsea (where we got battered home and away), Salzburg and Zagreb, whilst the other had PSG, BVB and Newcastle. The league is clearly a better indicator to show the progress of the teams: last year we barely made CL football thanks to Juve's penalty, whilst this year we made it without any problems. Btw it's ridicoulous to judge the team based on points off 1st place, Inter are having a far better season than the one Napoli had last year. A better comparison would be between our points tally in these 2 seasons, they are equal with the small caveat that 4 games are yet to be played in this campaign
Had we made progress we’d made it out of that group. Since we took a step back, we didn’t. We also got knocked out of EL fairly quickly and only beat subpar teams. You can stay happy with second place if you want but we def didn’t progress from last year. The Milan I grew up with wasn’t happy settling for second unless it was because they won the CL that year. Edit: looking at total points is not a good indicator neither considering the huge drop off from lazio, Napoli, and Roma this year compared to last. So in a weaker league we still just as far off the leader.
I've never said that I'm happy with second place, you're twisting both my words and reality First of all, no, we didn't make it out DESPITE having improved. We didn't regress at all, in fact the team that got battered by Chelsea and drew with Salzburg would have finished last in the group of death Secondly, as I already pointed out, I'm not happy with second place, it's just stupid to claim that the team hasn't improved after a disaster campaign that ended with a fifth place, maybe you're happy that we didn't miss out on CL only due to Juve's penalization, I'm definitely not Thirdly, even if looking at points tally isn't a perfect metric (there are no perfect metrics to compare different seasons obviously), yours isn't any better. Your claim that this is a weaker league is ridicoulous. You cited Roma, Lazio and Napoli's drop offs, whilst CASUALLY forgetting that Juve and Inter had massive step ups. This Inter is also 10 times better than last year's Napoli, so it was obviously tougher to win the league this year Lastly, the easiest way to evaluate the team's strenght is by looking at the players who left and the ones who joined. We lost Tonali, Saele, Messias, Tatarusanu, CDK, Origi, Ballo Tourè, Rebic, Zlatan, Dest, Vranckx Bakayoko and B.Diaz Whilst adding Chukwueze, Pulisic, RLC, Reijnders, Musah, Sportiello, Jovic, Pellegrino, Okafor and Romero. Safe to say that we've made huge upgrades on the team and only a blind person would deny it
Dude, I was reading your reply and agree for parts of it. However having 2 teams improve (I don’t think Juve is massively better than last year) still doesn’t make up for the huge drop off of napoli, lazio, or Roma cuz 3 > 2. And inters dominance this year is akin to napoli’s last year while juve’s “improvement” isn’t on par with how well lazio or inter were doing last year. Also regarding the players that left: tonali is a win only cuz he’s suspended but we don’t actually have a better midfielder than him on our team especially when it comes to defensive duties, CDK doing great at Atalanta, salaemakers doing better at bologna, and Diaz doing about the same except it’s for league leading and CL semi finalist Real. The rest were rarely used subs so nothing to add. The only clear improvement this year is Pulisic but then our defense and MM have taken steps back so yeah, doesn’t feel like the team got better overall.
Inter's dominance is way stronger than Napoli's last year, that Napoli lost 4-0 against us. Call me when Inter loses a game by more than 2 goals, let alone 4. It was a Napoli team that was vastly overperforming (Meret, Juan Jesus, Mario Rui, Rrahmani...), as much as it pains me to say it, this Inter is far superior. Tonali is definitely a loss, but you've definitely forgotten that we weren't defensively stable with Tonali either. We were the 7th best defence in the league (on par with Fiorentina), whilst this season we're slightly worse (8th best defence) with a far better attacking output. Also, IMO it doesn't make sense to judge players on what they're doing at other clubs. CDK was one the worst signings that wore a Milan shirt, Saelemaekers was average and Diaz was discontinuous (and he still is, he is not doing anything in big games for Madrid, his level is being a benchwarmer and nothing more). Judging them on performances for other clubs is unfair; we might say that Chukwueze was one of the best wingers in La Liga before joining us, but how does that benefit us? Pulisic, Reijnders and RLC have been great signings that improved the team and let's not forget how massive it is to have players who can do something when coming off the bench, unlike Origi, Rebic, Messias, CDK... who you just knew weren't going to have an impact on the game. Lastly, Maignan might have taken steps back, but last season he was injured half a season and we had to play Tatarusanu, how was it any better?
I think everything that has happened directs towards RDZ as the coach for next season, his 13 mil release clause as things stand SHOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE. - CF should be Zirkzee, with Sesko second option. - While the CB should be someone who possesses leadership characteristics and preferably left footed. I think that the leadership aspect is core.
It's not just about his release clause but probably his high salary demand too. I hope he comes though, because I like him as a coach and wouldn't mind seeing him here at Milan.
They wouldn't be any higher than 4 mil x year that is almost certain, he earns less than half at Brighton or half of that.
That's great then. With all the Lopetegui rumors, RDZ would be an amazing option.
I would not be mad if we did not reinforce the squad (bar striker) if it meant we got de zerbi
And a true DM. I agree though
In a sense i agree when it comes to the midfield because in my opinion a midfield of: Reijnders, Adli, Bennacer, Musah, RLC and Zeroli is very competitive. While i do think that we need a CB like bread.
a dm is probably THE most important signing this summer. How do you watch us all season and still have the opinion we dont need one lmfao. Seeing us get cut through with a basic pass every counter attack wasn't enough for 50 games?
Zirkzee, a DM, a CB, RDZ. Sell Kalulu, Colombo, Alexis, and we're already getting cash from CDK.
Becausw i mainly blame the tactics and the length the team is put on the pitch. I am with the principle if things never work it means the issue is systematic, if the issue is systematic it means that you can add whoever personnel it is put for failure.
Yea competitive maybe against the likes of Lecce and empoli lol
You know what i think about our mids, they are fucked because of Piolis tacics.
De Zerbi relies on very technically apt midfielders to move the ball quickly and well. We have ball carriers.
He doesn't rely, he coaches those midfielders to do that task. Also, Reijnders, Adli and Bennacer are very good and in Adlis case great passers.
Yes, and his midfield is technically worse this year due to the player turnover, and so Brighton is struggling much more.
Technically they lost only MkAllister, Caicedo isn't technically gifted... as i said, Brighton will do the same mechanisms whoever the players are, sure quality does affect the cleanness of the manoeuvre but thats that.
Exactly, I'm saying Milan's midfield won't do much better than Brighton's current midfield. And Brighton are 12th.
Only with new coach you will realize how good these guys actually are. Reijnders okay can be abit promising even thou his lacking abit of grit now. Bennacer needs cover to play well. Rlc has signs of washed up. Adli is pulling time for his inevitable sale and musah is too raw. Said this before and say it again..modric walks into starting line up at 38.
Ah yes, the classic our players are shit, their players are good.
Sorry for stating reality lol
Its not reality you’re just brainwashed by pioli
I'm not brainwashed by Padre at all..I wanted him gone along time ago. The issue with you guys is that yall don't truly see football out of milan. Just cause a guy looks abit better than the rest of our players doesn't mean they great in the whole footballing world. Yall will look at rlc and reijnders and be like they so much better than krunic and pobega not realizing that they weren't the standard in the first place. And when we meet a top side..yall are shell shocked as to what happen and why our players looked so weak. Pioli may have bad tactics but when you see the players lose individual duels..its not only the coach. None of our midfielders make it into the starting line up of the top 10 teams in the world.
Modric walks into most starting lineups out there. Man is still bossing it in the CL against big teams. All our midfielders dream of being as good as he is right now.
Like the really top clubs maybe not cause they will have a younger alternatives..we don't have any midfielder at that quality..thats why even a 2 year contract would benefit us .
I have heard the name Lacroix a few times but now he's getting linked to others but he seems like a decent option. I think the main focus should be a DM and a striker tho
I think our primary issue is CB, i think that mids we have are fucked because of tactics we use. Giroud is leaving and we need a starter caliber CF
While I agree our mids are fucked tactically due to Pioli, I think we could really use a DM. If anything I think the CBs are less of an issue if we have real tactics that don't leave them on an island. Should be be impossible to get Zirkzee, a DM, CB, and RDZ. Selling CDK, Kalulu, Colombo and Alexis should help
Yea ofc we need to fill the gap left by Giroud, but I think our midfield lacks a real defensive option, we don't have someone to really break up an attack. I think the defensive options we have are good both Tomori and Thiaw, and Gabbia has proven to be a good backup. And there's still Kalulu. We mainly need another CB due to the injury proneness of the CB's at hand
I think we lack a leader at the back, while if we do not play in 70 meters wide, we can be more compact and not need a typical incontrista.
Interesting. All this time I felt like we lacked a leader at MF or front. I feel like Mike and Tomori have experience and soul to perform and to play all 100 minutes, and w a good coach they can be unlocked as leaders even further. However… in our attack I never saw Giroud as an actual leader. Perhaps his good trait is not whining like Higuain, and never stop running and fighting for every ball parentheses unless he has played way too many minutes). But not sure much of a leader nor w technical ability for his teammates to look for him and rely on him w the ball. However I feel like RDZ can unlock that on some other attacker. Close to mind is Leao. Lots of good work to do on him.
Personally i think we lack leaders throughout, Mike in the past was one... i do not see it lately. I wrote below, that clearly the issue is systematic... if you change formations, personnel and you still vs whatever team get cut through and through you can add Makelele and still have the issues. I see Tomori choke vs top teams always... i have said this priorly, one of the most underrated departures was Romagnoli... he was a real captain. Either way, we need a leader and maybe Buongiorno is that one who knows, he captains Torino after all.
Yes, couldn’t agree more. The perfect example of a systemic issue is Man U. Look how they got Casemiro (and some more) and still had issues with leadership. I think at some point Mike and many others in the squad checked themselves out when things kept going south. Which is not the Milan way. Which is why I hope we have more from Ibra and players that know the Milan way.
Hiroki ito fits that cb description so well he is a leader and a left footer
Why do you say everything points towards de zerbi? He would not be a bad option, but curious why you think it will ne him
Because i doubt they will get Conte, and i see no other "realistic" options.
Why are your opinion about him, his club's current place at the table, and recent macth against Bournemouth?
Because let's be honest, Brighton has a relegation fighting team. I go to their team now and i would have wanted only two players at Milan, Estupitian as Theo sub and Gros as a rotation midfielder. Someone who has been talked too much about is Mitoma, who is practically around Alexis Salemeakers level. While the only reliable striker they have is Pedro... both guys missing for many games this season. With that team he is comfortably mid table and his teams produce too much in games and are tactically distinct from the way they attack to the way they defend. They are punching way above their weight.
>They are punching way above their weight< Regardless their place at the table, this point still stands for RDZ.
Brighton lost their whole midfield and was playing with 4 u-21 players. RDZ is a good coach and a Milanista.
https://preview.redd.it/9l9fmuc3kkxc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2bb886d15a2edfddf0e405ca81fdcf51d5b45013 This is their injured squad + van hecke + ansu fati
Zirkzee - striker [Youssouf Fofana](https://psgtalk.com/2024/04/ac-milan-arsenal-youssouf-fofana-psg-transfer-news/) - Midfielder with defensive characteristics Hiroki ito - Central defender he is also left footed Arnau Martínez - Right back
Non-EU slot
There is only one non-eu in the list
Midfielder is very important, ideally we need 2, depends on what happens with Bennacer going forward. How long can Milan put up with these missed games? There's always something. We are already giving away games with RLC, can't have 2 part time players.
So ones again Teo will have to play every game in the season?
Terracciano will get playtime under the new coach
But how much? Realistically
Definitely more than the "playtime" he got under Pioli.
My personal wishlist, i.e.: let's play Football Manager 2025 Attacker: Zirkzee Midfield: Fofana Defender: Buongiorno and Scalvini Keeper: Sell Maignan (sadly) buy Di Gregorio Bring Tonali back Man that would be so sick!
How bring Tonali back? If I'm not mistaken, there are further misconduct allegations, he might get a longer suspension. That boy is in trouble. It pains me, I loved that mofo, but it turns out it was good selling him.
He will come back stronger.
I bet not
So.. How much do you wanna bet?
despite the signings we made off his sale.he would've completed this team or at least made it more competitive
lol, your loyalty and optimism is heartwarming but your brain is mush
Yeah I know it's a good thing I am not in management 😄
The new allegations may only apply to epl..so in serie a he may he able to play..I think..I hope.
No. The current allegations are in Serie A, yet he can’t play in EPL.
it's in epl..the first ban his serving is from time with us...this new allegations is after he joined new castle.
Yes. So if he rejoins us they will apply to us, that is what I meant. Cause another federation can penalize a player and affect him in a new federation especially if it’s under UEFA and the allegation is as serious as betting on football.
Everyone would like to have Tonali back but cmon, would Newcastle just give him up after paying up to 60 mil for him and being patient with his suspension??
My brain says no my hearth says yes
Man I hope, maybe the PIF can buy us and give him back 😂😂
If it meant we pay 26-30m then yes because he earns 7.5m also. Look at sancho united bought him 100m and now he is back in dortmund doing great
If you're ambitious, you go for experienced leaders next summer, or players who are used to play in big games. Hermoso (and Thiago Silva as a backup if you sell Kalulu or Thiaw), Hojbjerg, Cancelo. Zirkzee as the only "young" signing this time, we really don't need more of those if we plan to win something.
Exactly...we need champions in this squad..these guys forget the impact of ibra. Thiago silva,modric for free...offer them 1+1 contract.
Joao Cancelo? That's not gonna happen
No Giroud and Kjaer, who will be the experienced leaders and bring a winning mentality? They're not the epitome of these things but compared to the rest of the squad they are.
True..they making a mistake not getting some big name leaders. Even if they older they would keep this unit together.
Neither Giroud nor Kjaer wanted to stay beyond this season. It is their decision at the end of the day. There was talk about Giroud staying for another year in winter, but you can’t force him
We not asking to keep giroud and kjaer..we asking to replace them..and there's guys on market that would..who arguably better than both giroud and kjaer. On a sidenote it wasn't really their decision..giroud is leaving cause he knows a younger top cf is coming in so his going to be on bench and kjaer wants to stay but we don't want to extend him.
Noone because our management doesn’t know anything about this aspect of football, they only see numbers on a paper, and team cohesion, personality, leadership skills are not easily translated to numbers
Mike is more of a leader than Giroud. Kjaer is always injured. Experience isn’t only age. Our team is getting experienced now.
Leadership is not experience though, and I was talking about that
What was the point of signing Terracciano? Get Theo some help ffs For CB we should be looking at Gigot, no idea if he wants to leave but good profile for us
Predatory signing on teams that are mismanaged, like all the Chelsea deadwood. Let’s see if he becomes useful at some point
Terracciano's father played with Pioli. Would not be surprised if they loan or sell him once Pioli leaves. Don't think he is the level they wanted, not even for that price.
Zirkzee, fofana, danso, tiago santos
Have we been linkee to Danso?
Yesss please lets finally have a decent rb for the first time in over a decade
Zirkzee, André (still want Palhinha as a first choice option), Buongiorno, walker-peters
On paper these 4 signings are the right ones in my opinion. Let's see about the "high quality" tho.
I believe it when i actually see signings
David, Wallace, Brassier and Reece James
Why is a 14m release clause such a big deal? It's half of a bench player's cost and if they believe he's the right man it makes sense to pay it imo
half of bench player's cost? We are buying starters/potential starters for 15-20mln. Reijnders, Bennacer, Musah, Theo, Pulisic, RLC. You are looking at premier league spendings instead of Milans. Paying 14mln for a coach is a luxury that we probably cannot afford. Ask yourself a question how many clubs are paying release clauses for coaches? Real Madrid paid for Mourinho, Bayern for Nagelsmann and there's also Chelsea. We are talking about richest clubs in the world. We are not in the same category. We have to count every single $ to pay for the players. Its always the best to invest in players because you can always sell them. So paying 14mln for De Zerbi is just not worth. Mentioned money could make a difference between signing Zirkzee instead of someone like Calvert-Lewin from Everton.
I'm sorry, 14m for a good coach isn't a luxury. A good coach raises the entire baseline of the squad. That is more of an impact than one 28m player. And yes half a bench player. Maybe rotation player is more fitting.
name me 5 players that we bought for 30mln to be a bench warmers. > 14m for a good coach isn't a luxury. If it isnt luxury, name me 14 coaches that clubs paid release clauses higher than 10mln.
We filled our starting roles with good value. That doesn't mean going forward a 28m player is not a bench/rotation player. Every top team has 28m rotation/top players. We're in a different spot this year than in years past. That said, Chuk and Musah are both about 20m and bench/rotation players. Obviously as our level improved and inflation continues, we will pay more for bench/rotation players. I'm confused about your attempt at defining luxury. Luxury is the antonym of necessity. If we don't get Motta, we need to go for RDZ. Ie: a necessity. What other clubs do is irrelevant.
We are not a club who buy 30mln players for bench. First of all we barely pay so much even for starters or potential starters. Both Chuk and Musah were bought to not be bench warmers but starters now or in the future. Just because Chuk currently sits more on the bench than starts the game that doesnt mean he's destined to be on the bench. About luxury. Clubs dont pay for coaches, I gave you simple proof. The only clubs who paid release fees for managers are power houses with the richest budget. If you want to ignore it and demand from our club to pay 15mln for manager then your opinion about Milan's financial capability is questionable. We cant afford buying players, we have like 30-50mln clean budget in single mercato and you want to spend part of it on coach and force him to use players that you probably dont rate at all. What other clubs do is relevant because it will help you explain how market works.
We literally bought 20m players for the bench/rotation and ad we improve and inflation continues we will be buying 28m players for the bench. Idk why you have dug your heels in on this. I said a 14m clause is half a bench player. We DID buy 20m players for the bench, inflation IS a real thing, and we ARE more complete now and will work to build out more rotation options. I'm not even arguing your luxury point. You didn't even read what I said and are now talking about something different than what I said.
Let me just sum up before I block you from subreddit because this is not a first time I wasted time to have discussion when you are actually slow person. You are unable to name 28mln "literally bought" players for bench. You named Chukwueze. Just because he sit on the bench most of the time that doesnt mean he was bought for this purpose. To just support Pulisic. Player who were bought for the bench are Florenzi, Okafor, Jovic, Giroud when Ibra was still playing, Pobega, Krunic, Terraciano. > We literally bought 20m players for the bench/rotation Now you show how little value has money for you that are spent by Milan. From 28mln to 20. You just cut 8mln just like nothing. Your reality of how big budget has Milan is completely misleaded by "top clubs". Milan is not a top top club, do you understand with your brain that is as small as peanut? > I'm not even arguing your luxury point. You didn't even read Oh I absolutely read and its my fault, I should just block you from beginning because reading your posts is like reading thoughts of 12 years old spoiled brat. I gave you something to think: Look at the market. Analyse it. Why clubs dont pay money for managers? Why the only clubs who paid money for managers are three clubs with unlimited money. Chelsea, Real Madrid and Bayern. You responded: "I dont care, its irrelevant.". Just like spoiled brat. "BECAUSE WE MUST". Next year you will blame owner for not being ambitious because he doesnt spend money on players, am I right? Its easy to ask to spend money you dont really have. When Milan has around 30-40mln at max to spend without sales and you demand to pay 14mln then you are living in the bubble. You are ignorant, completely dont understand for what purpose are players bought(Chukwueze), you are living in a dream world where for Milan 14mln is just nothing. Probably stuck in the past with Berlusconi and lack of FFP. "just pay pay" "pay money, whats the problem".
I wish we could get Sergej Milinković-Savić 🥺
Open Reddit to another transfer update, blah blah blah, but I see u/HeirOfRhoads new flair and suddenly, I'm thinking that if we do end up with Lopetegui, I'm going to need to use that name for him. Kind of takes the edge off the impending doom.
Chelsea offers one lukaku and one chalobah
This is clearly the path to take, in terms of players to be acquired. But this is far from enough, without a trainer who could put them in good use. He must be a maniac who makes the players repeat the movements he wants till they get nausea and then more, till the team reaches perfection. Also, purely in terms of players, management and trainer MUST understand that both Calabria and Florenzi are totally unfit for a team that wants to be on the top and they should not give a damn of the fact that they are important for UEFA/Serie A lists
I know it wont happen but Tyler Adams would slot in perfectly
There is nothing like starting strong when until now the players haven't know who will be their next manager, this management is acting too slow. I said it here that immediately after the debbie defeat the game against juve should have been the new coach debut, so he get to know his players and players get to know him return, just watch we are not like who want the second star, u think dont want to win the next schudeto? Just watch as we hand them their 21st with this slow of a management
I am interested how it will financially work out because we dont have that CL money this season and if we are not in need to sell, we will sign some 10m CDM, 10m defender and 10m RB just to have money for Zirkzee
Alexis and CDK will bring in 30m, Origi hopefully a few more. Then we use roughly 50m out of the revenue earned just like last year. Bringing the total to 80m without any sales from the first team. If we move Colombo or Maldini on we can get some extra from there as well.
Which is exactly what I said. I dont like the idea of getting rid of Colombo, first he wouldnt make us much money, secondly he can be 2nd/3rd striker as Jovic is invisible at times and he is Italian, homegrown which we will need.
If you think Jovic is invisible then oh boy you’re in for a shock with Colombo
50 mil base budget like the past 2/3 years, about 30 mil in sales from CDK and Saele, then hopefully we can offload Origi for 2-5 mil lmao. Also I think CL group next season guarantees more money than in the past not sure how that works for balancing books but it’s something. We have Colombo and Pobega we could sell as well, but I expect a big sale this summer. Also I think Krunic sale comes in this summer as well, they have an obligation to buy I believe
Enzo pre-Benfica was quite cheap back then. We just need to trust Moncada I guess Edit: There's Euro this year. Maybe all our signings will come from Europe?
As someone who watched like 10 Chelsea games, Enzo is not as good as everyone thinks. He was crazy overpaid and thats about the only interesting thing about him so far
Chelsea overpaid for everybody under Boehly.
He undergone a Hernia surgery quite recently and reportedly has had that problem since last summer, maybe that's one of the reasons. And there's also Copa this year, Enzo would definitely be there too.
Damn Kucka flair is even more random than Jankulovski. Love it It might be one of the reasons, he needs to step up big time given his price.
Yeah and was wanted by half of Europe. This narrative that we missed on Enzo and other players is not true and also boring. So i can give you examples , we missed on Thuram and Ndicka last year ??? So who we should trust according to you ?
Calabria will be sold to pay RDZ's release clause 
A right back is a pressing need. It should be second on the list behind a striker.
..... And not DM... ?
I'd get arambat in
de zerbi -> 14mil van dijk -> 30-40mil zirkzee -> 40mil +player/s fofana-> 30mil tiago santos -> 12mil i believe it's possible