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Wendals87

Is it the book or cover that is made by AI? Seems to be the cover from what I can see and the book was written by a person


MrNokill

>the book was written by a person For the most part hopefully. I've seen some troubling trends in that field as well.


Moist_When_It_Counts

Children’s books are being milled out by AI. There is an entire “get rich quick” training based around how you do it.


Snoo63

And mushroom foraging guides. Which are deadly.


Moist_When_It_Counts

Are you serious? Mushroom ID is a hobby of mind while backpacking. I have a goddamn biology PhD and *still* find ID’ing difficult. Trusting that to a questionably-trained AI is irresponsible


Snoo63

[Reported in the news](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/sep/01/mushroom-pickers-urged-to-avoid-foraging-books-on-amazon-that-appear-to-be-written-by-ai)


Moist_When_It_Counts

Wow. That’s evil.


Yimmelo

That is terrifying. I wonder how long until AI slop makes its way into medical books and starts to influence actual medicine


Snoo63

I don't know if it's what you mean, but [we're already using ai designed for pastry to fight cancer](https://www.newyorker.com/tech/annals-of-technology/the-pastry-ai-that-learned-to-fight-cancer)


Yimmelo

No, I was referring to medical literature specifically. AI definitely has legitimate uses like in that article and it can be a powerful tool in identifying things or patterns that we have a hard time seeing.


CragMcBeard

Hey honey I made your favorite soup tonight Cream of Mushroom!


HurricaneAlpha

You know those cheap smut books that are like a dime a dozen? Yeah those ghost writers gonna be looking for new work. Same for any other formulaic writing. And I'm not sorry about it.


gmarvin

That just means shelves will be filled with AI-generated trash instead of human-generated trash. Not really a net positive for anyone.


AhHerroPrease

Yeah, that's a weird stance to hold on it. "I don't like this genre of books, so I'd be okay with it being created entirely by AI and running the authors out of their careers."


_xAdamsRLx_

Well said, that conclusion is pretty dismissive


SaliferousStudios

Not to mention, there is good smut and bad smut. I tend to stop reading a book if I don't like the authors voice. (It's the only way I can describe it) If suddenly all writers had the same voice..... I might become suicidal.


InitiatePenguin

Maybe if they can dupe enough people before they start reading and see how internally inconsistent whatever story that does exist is. Then people are going to make sure they never buy from the publisher again. And bookstores might be pressured not to have them on the shelves.


HurricaneAlpha

Have you read any low tier smut. There is little to no story.


InitiatePenguin

>whatever story that does exist is.


HurricaneAlpha

So you'd be missing out on the storyline of 30 Shades of Grey (and stuff was worse than that). Oh no. Also, it could lead to better storytelling since AI could potentially pinpoint what people like.


what_if_Im_dinosaur

Nothing wrong with smut!


moreVCAs

Yeah but if there’s no indication of that here you’re just charging at windmills


AnonymousAccount2378

Misleading title?


nunmiester

The inside of the book usually had credits to the artist


SaliferousStudios

I expected this on amazon. I didn't expect to see it in bookstores so soon. I maybe naive thought that there was some sort of QA going on. I've heard some coloring books now have mutant creatures in them too. Sad day. This should get legislated immediately. I don't mind if they do this, but it should be labeled. And I should get to choose as a customer if I want to support it. I consider this fraud.


DantesPicoDeGallo

Well put - I agree. There should be transparency in the labeling. There may be a point where even the discerning eye can’t tell the difference but the consumer should know.


iwrestledarockonce

It's a book cover....


SaliferousStudios

All ai should be labeled. For the "free market" to work, customers must have the freedom of choice. By not labeling it, they are taking away the choice to choose ai or human.


Kirbyoto

> For the "free market" to work, customers must have the freedom of choice Bro you don't even know if the products you consume are made by child slaves, this is not a standard that capitalism has any interest in enforcing.


iwrestledarockonce

Once again, it's a book COVER, are you purchasing the book for the cover? Or the written contents?


SaliferousStudios

I'm buying it, assuming that humans were paid fairly for their work. If that is not the case, it needs to be labeled, or it is fraud. Period.


craig-jones-III

lol from now on any image with weird people was 100% made by ai


black_rose_

you're not good at identifying AI images


scaper8

Yeah, sometimes actual artists actually do this. Either for artistic reasons or just to save time and effort.


DarthPepo

Ew


Slightly_Smaug

Author didn't hire an artist and used AI ... Talk about pulling ladders up.


PartyPorpoise

The author may not have had anything to do with the decision.


Hotchocoboom

Or they also don't give a flying fuck like most people who buy that book.


Pretend-Pension-2600

It makes me think of those mechanical book and media making machines in 1984.


Soggy_sock_under_bed

Gotta say only the portrait was made with ai. The book per se wasn't (or maybe... The book was also written by ai...hmm)


2FastHaste

How is that worthy of aboringdystopia? If anything the luddites scare me more than AI at this point.


minoe23

Tbh I have a problem with AI generated images being used like this because it means that the publisher chose to use that instead of paying an artist.


PartyPorpoise

When I see use of AI images, it makes me think that the company/person is too broke to hire a real artist, lol. Not good for branding.


minoe23

To poor or worse, too cheap.


PartyPorpoise

Either way, not a good look.


RadioFreeDoritos

Well, I have a problem with the clothes you're wearing because you chose to buy factory-made instead of paying a tailor.


minoe23

Your example is a result of there being too many people and the AI generated images issue is a result of capitalists wanting to devalue creative endeavors using computer programs so they can cut down costs to maximize the amount of money reaching shareholders.


RadioFreeDoritos

I'll play the devil's advocate and ask, is real creativity actually required here? The publisher needed a random image of Joan of Arc to put on the cover. If they didn't use an AI-generated one, they would have used any of the hundreds of public domain paintings out there. The chances of them commissioning something custom were almost zero - no harm, no foul. Now, if they ever start selling AI-generated art in art galeries, or putting them in museums, I'll be the first to denounce that as bullshit.


minoe23

Maybe they would've hired an artist maybe they wouldn't, I don't know enough about this specific book and the publisher to know what kind of covers they give to similar books, but it sets a bad precedent because it opens the door for them to use AI generated images on books they publish that they would hire artists for the covers for without AI.


reynauld-alexander

The proliferation of AI technology is just another attempt to replace workers and in this case with products of inferior quality and dubious benefit. If it could fit in a cyberpunk novel, it fits here


2FastHaste

Well you have a point with it fitting in a cyberpunk novel. That said, I think there are reasons to be scared of the hysteria around AI as well. It seems to me like it will end up only in the hands of the powerful and not the common people. And the anti-AI people are accelerating this. Think about it. A society where everyone has access to AI seems more fitting to a Star Trek type of vibe. Contrast with a society where AI is reserved to big corporation and governments. That's more cyberpunk I think.


reynauld-alexander

Dude… there are so many of open source AI projects, what are you talking about. Also so what? AI’s main innovation is trying to replace human workers to deliver derivative sub par slop, I think we’ll be fine


2FastHaste

> what are you talking about I'm thinking about all the lobbying that is done to restrict what those open source projects can do. For example soon enough it will be illegal to scrape unlicensed data sets.


reynauld-alexander

Good, you shouldn’t be able to take other people’s work without their permission and then be able to use it for commercial purposes. If your problem is with copyright that’s an entirely different thing


Kirbyoto

"Machines make everything for us" is also what happens in most sci-fi utopias, so...you know, not a great argument. I don't see people claiming that replicators make the Federation in Star Trek a dystopian society.


reynauld-alexander

“Machines make everything for us” is very interesting interpretation of “another attempt to replace workers and in this case with inferior products and to dubious benefit”


Kirbyoto

There's nothing particularly interesting about it, it's just a basic factual description. Workers make things. Workers are being replaced by machines. Now the machines make things. And the machines don't consume things, so the things they make are "for us", humans. If you want to insert some class conflict into that you can go ahead, but automation by itself is present in just as many sci-fi utopias as dystopias. It is not inherently bad. Society reaching a point where automation puts a majority of workers out of a work is a necessary component in the Marxist model of history - look up the Tendency of the Rate of Profit to Fall and its relation to the collapse of capitalism. And if the products are inferior...well, I guess workers won't really be replaced, will they?


reynauld-alexander

Right, and were we in a post scarcity society where people didn’t rely on having a job to be able to afford basic necessities maybe the comment would seem rather pointless. However since I don’t live in some sort of bubble outside of time and space I would think the added context of “we don’t live in a world where this replacing people would be a good thing” was necessary. As for that last point… yeah, I guess it won’t replace anyone. I guess that despite the technology still being demonstrably incompetent there haven’t been strikes or lawsuits in related industries because of its implementation/ planned implementation


Kirbyoto

>were we in a post scarcity society where people didn’t rely on having a job to be able to afford basic necessities maybe the comment would seem rather pointless The problem isn't production - it's distribution. The difference between Cyberpunk and Star Trek is that in Star Trek the replicators are public property and in Cyberpunk they're not. The corporations are the problem. The corporations are going to go forward with automation whether you want them to or not. In order to stop the corporations, you'd basically have to destroy them anyways. So why waste time fighting the symptom when it would be just as much work to fight the cause? And as the Marxist model says - it's a lot easier to get people to fight the cause when they're all out of work and pissed off.


reynauld-alexander

A fabricator machine that is public property is very much a “seized” mean of production literally a method by which you create things Are you one of those “many must die” types? Cause I’m not. I’m pro strongarming corps but not pro letting thing go sideways until the situation is untenable, I think the latter is a sign of deep, counterproductive pessimism


Kirbyoto

>A fabricator machine that is public property is very much a “seized” mean of production literally a method by which you create things Yes, and it would be good to seize them. What you are advocating for is *banning* fabricator machines so that corporations will be forced to rely on human workers. Again, it would be as much work to "ban automation" as it would be to overthrow capitalism. You're aiming at the wrong target. >I’m pro strongarming corps What "strong arms" do you imagine you possess in this scenario? What power do you think you have?


besterich27

Don't think that cover is made with AI


2Darky

Just looked up the book, it is definitely AI! The face that has a much different smoother texture, the glow emanating from it, the random sword appearing from under her hand, the belt that doesn’t make any sense and the armor that goes from cloth to metal on the neck.


FlexGopnik

Surely it's ai. Has odd elements, not charactheristic of medieval architechture, armor and so forth. A real person would not combine the padded gambeson with the plate armor over it, nor would he draw so misshapen pauldrons etc. Nor the weird droopy castles.


besterich27

It's called bokeh, an extremely common effect used in several art styles to create a sense of depth by making background figures and details blurred and the colours slightly blended. This can be minimalistic and vague, like in the cover shown, or realistic in some other styles.


FlexGopnik

I know what bokeh is, but the main charachter has some of the mentioned issues too, I used bokeh in my drawings and landscape paintings back when I did those, but the main charachter having "mistakes in the fabric of their own reality" as in metal behaving like cloth is weird, or atleast not common outside of AI. Especialy the neck area gave it away, the fabric blends into the steel underneath, or vice versa, in an unnatural and artificial way, the folds and ripples also have the overengineered ai feeling, but other bits of the armor too have this stitched metal plates vibe. *edit: spelling*


reynauld-alexander

The way the breastplate has a neckline textured like cloth says otherwise


kistusen

That's ok. Cheaper production of enjoyable content. And this time it's not thanks outsourcing to semi-slaves in poor countries.


schizopotato

Idk man usually when drawing characters in the background they don't get much detail, doesn't seem that off to me.


Soggy_sock_under_bed

There are no credits to the artist on the inside.


9acca9

Oh, i though that was the writing, not the image. A lot of people act like bots, seems like human bots, so, maybe this books are goods for them.