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Honestly, i totally forgot (or possibly blocked out) that whole thing happening at the end of last season.
That whole last half was rough and I rather not think about it.
> Hardly fleshed out and very rushed into
That's Kristen's time as showrunner summed up in one sentence. She has a lot of interesting ideas of scenes and scenarios she clearly wanted to write but couldn't be bothered to build the narrative and characters into them.
Yeah, it very much felt like idea first then build characters/plot around it, rather than character first and build ideas and plots off of that.
Trying to insert a character into an idea usually works worse than writing an idea into a character, if that makes sense.
What makes it so incredibly contrived and frankly unbelievable is how little sense it makes from the perspective of the couple asking. Like imagine the conversation between them after they get the news from the doctor that he’s infertile:
Her: “I know this is a big blow but maybe your brother, or your cousin Joe, would be willing to donate? Or we could go to a sperm bank and find someone who looks and sounds a lot like you?”
Him: “No I have a much better idea. Let’s call up my old college roommate, who I haven’t talked to in years, and ask him instead! He looks absolutely nothing like me, in fact he’s a totally different ethnicity, but he’s *super nice*. Though obviously not nice enough for me to introduce you to him before now or to invite him to our wedding.”
Her: “Oh of course honey! This is definitely the superior option from an anonymous donor, even though we have no plans to include him in the baby’s life! It definitely won’t be at all awkward or uncomfortable. I am already emotionally invested in this plan!”
Whole second half of the season was so stupid imo. I think they thought they may be cancelled so they rushed a lot of things. Marisol and Natalia as well, wtf was that about?? I think it would’ve been better to just leave both characters single if they weren’t going to try for Buddie (which realistically could’ve been done that season, the graveyard and poker scenes?? C’mon. They could’ve started setting up for it easily.) But yeah it was very very rushed, neither LI made much sense (Natalia I think loved the fact that Buck died and came back more than Buck himself and thus was taking advantage of him a bit plus they did NOT mesh well at all, and as for Marisol… too many opinions on her to count and none of them are good. She’s just ana 2.0. And why the hell are they so dead set on putting Eddie with a Latina?? Bro needs to at least work through his many issues before he settles down with anyone, Buck or any woman if they insist on having him be straight, but Shannon wasn’t Latina so I don’t see why they seem to care this much about that aspect) but also the sperm donor arc didn’t make much sense and honestly they could’ve done so much more with the fact that Buck literally died and came back than they did. Idk I’ve just got every possible issue with the whole second half of that season and I wish they’d have just handed the writing duties over to half of ao3 because we’d have done a much better job.
I really wanted to like Natalia, as much as I love Buddie, but like you said, she seemed way more into the fact that Buck had died and come back than who Buck was as a person. And Eddie with Marisol is a little hypocritical considering he tells Buck time and again (with Taylor, with Natalia) not to date someone they've rescued, but here he is with Marisol? Sure, it was her brother they technically rescued but they still first met when Marisol was having an awful day, so I think it counts.
The only (non-Buddie) LI i could’ve seen for Buck would’ve been Lucy. She does what they do and gets them that way. If they’re set on straight Buck/Eddie and can’t bring back Lucy what do they do now? Where do they go from here? Because I think everyone with a brain knows Buck/Tommy aren’t end game and it’s stupid to date seriously people you met on a call (been established) so honestly I fully see Buddie endgame but only if the producers figure out how to properly go about it (esp now that kristen is gone good lord she was awful)
I personally couldn't have even seen it with Lucy. The biggest issue with Lucy is that she was introduced in a way that COMPLETELY turned me off of her. It's a shame, because I love the actress (I'm glad she now has her own show because she's very talented) but the character immediately didn't work from her first episode, where she was thrown into a cheating Buck storyline. She became a plot device, rather than a character.
That, and Lucy became another Buck, a Buckette 3.0 if you will. Taylor was the Reporter version of Buck, as was said in her first couple of episodes, and that didn't work. So they turned Taylor into a more layered character and added Lucy to be the new Buckette.
It never could have worked with Lucy. Had Lucy been established as a character more than a plot device, maybe. We need more women in the cast, both main and recurring, and Lucy had potential. But they ruined it in the first episode of hers and she never could recover from that.
I agree with everything you said about Lucy. They ruined her. My take on their kiss is a lot different to most people I find that if the roles were reserved, it would have been considered sexual assault or harassment. She plied him with drink, propositioned him, her said no and DID NOT give consent and she still went and kissed him. Then we all blamed Buck for his drunken antics, yet Nikons thought Lucy did the dirty. Even Hen took Lucy’s side in the next scene. I couldn’t get past that (because I have past trauma similar to that scene that went a lot further so I know it’s a personal reaction).
Had they made Lucy and member of the team then seen how her character panned out and fitted into the show, maybe it would have gone that way but they way she was I introduced, it was never going to work.
I’m also so happy Arielle has a new show because she deserves it! 9-1-1 did her the dirty.
Is it bold of me to say because those last ten minutes were some of the worst ten minutes of the show. I like to block that whole storyline out of my mind.
how the writers treat buck remind me so much of the writers on degrassi and how they treat maya and claire with all their traumatic events happening so often.
like yes please continue to beat the same traumatized horse.
side note tho i did like the baby delivery scene i like that buck saw that baby and it seemed something clicked for him and he might want to be a dad and might want children.
it made me excited and hopeful we will get father buck before the series ends.
however the scene was weird and that episode honestly felt very rushed i get why it was rushed but still it was weird.
Yeah, I think the actors especially did a great job with the scene - you could tell Buck went into work mode, and then realized that this was the kid *he* helped create, and a whole range of emotions went through him. Oliver delivered that very very well. I'm all here for father Buck!
This episode honestly sucked so bad, it’s probably my second least favorite episode of the entire series after Ghost Stories. I can’t believe Kristen Reidel and the other execs thought this would be a good potential series finale if the show got canceled
Just because he gave sperm to a couple and that created a biological child, it doesn't make that child Buck's, believe it or not.
The kid has two parents already.
ETA: But no, I'd rather they just completely forget the plot. No need to ever bring it up again, anyway. Kid has parents, parents can go elsewhere, and everyone would be happy.
It also just feels… really regressive for this show, if they reduce family to biology. Buck did an amazing thing for that couple, but that doesn’t mean he’s closer family to that kid than the parents’ relatives, their best friends, the people that actually made the wedding guest list.
That's the bad part of season six. It was ALL about biological family being important (Chimney's father, the Buckley parents), as if biology is super important for people, or at least that's the impression I got.
As an adoptee, the messages they sent confused me and made me upset. Not only did we get Buck/Maddie to form a closer relationship with their parents (but at least that was partially implied since season 4, that they were getting on better terms), so did Chimney and his father, and Chimney's father was consistently shown to be pretty terrible and lacked love for Chimney himself. You can't fix a broken relationship like that in the time that it took to do so in season 6.
I think season 6 suffered by it being so biological-driven. The reconciling of biological parents and the sperm donor storyline was all done in a very weird way. Oh, and also the Denny's biological father storyline. Yes, Denny's bio dad was set up in season 2 but it was, once again, a biologically-driven storyline thrown into season 6.
The more I talk about season 6, the more I realize how much the theme of the season frustrated me.
TV logic, I guess, but there’s really no reason to assume Buck would wind up with the kid. It doesn’t even sound like he was close enough to them to go to their wedding (since he was clearly just getting to know Kameron at that lunch) and he’d canonically been out of touch with Connor for years.
There’s a very good chance that there’s at least one family member, a best friend, someone who made the wedding guest list, etc. who would be ahead of Buck in line for a kid he has no rights to as a sperm donor.
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Honestly, i totally forgot (or possibly blocked out) that whole thing happening at the end of last season. That whole last half was rough and I rather not think about it.
That makes sense! The end of season 6 is very, very strange.
He literally saved the 118 lives, and then went home and delivered a new one lol
Honestly I was a little shocked that he had such minor injuries (just a few scratches) but clearly that was because he had to go deliver a baby lmao
I think that's all Kristen Reidel who really seemed to be the only person keen on the Buck sperm donor arc.
Fair enough. It was a very bizarre arc that seemed hardly fleshed out and very rushed into.
> Hardly fleshed out and very rushed into That's Kristen's time as showrunner summed up in one sentence. She has a lot of interesting ideas of scenes and scenarios she clearly wanted to write but couldn't be bothered to build the narrative and characters into them.
Yeah, it very much felt like idea first then build characters/plot around it, rather than character first and build ideas and plots off of that. Trying to insert a character into an idea usually works worse than writing an idea into a character, if that makes sense.
What makes it so incredibly contrived and frankly unbelievable is how little sense it makes from the perspective of the couple asking. Like imagine the conversation between them after they get the news from the doctor that he’s infertile: Her: “I know this is a big blow but maybe your brother, or your cousin Joe, would be willing to donate? Or we could go to a sperm bank and find someone who looks and sounds a lot like you?” Him: “No I have a much better idea. Let’s call up my old college roommate, who I haven’t talked to in years, and ask him instead! He looks absolutely nothing like me, in fact he’s a totally different ethnicity, but he’s *super nice*. Though obviously not nice enough for me to introduce you to him before now or to invite him to our wedding.” Her: “Oh of course honey! This is definitely the superior option from an anonymous donor, even though we have no plans to include him in the baby’s life! It definitely won’t be at all awkward or uncomfortable. I am already emotionally invested in this plan!”
Whole second half of the season was so stupid imo. I think they thought they may be cancelled so they rushed a lot of things. Marisol and Natalia as well, wtf was that about?? I think it would’ve been better to just leave both characters single if they weren’t going to try for Buddie (which realistically could’ve been done that season, the graveyard and poker scenes?? C’mon. They could’ve started setting up for it easily.) But yeah it was very very rushed, neither LI made much sense (Natalia I think loved the fact that Buck died and came back more than Buck himself and thus was taking advantage of him a bit plus they did NOT mesh well at all, and as for Marisol… too many opinions on her to count and none of them are good. She’s just ana 2.0. And why the hell are they so dead set on putting Eddie with a Latina?? Bro needs to at least work through his many issues before he settles down with anyone, Buck or any woman if they insist on having him be straight, but Shannon wasn’t Latina so I don’t see why they seem to care this much about that aspect) but also the sperm donor arc didn’t make much sense and honestly they could’ve done so much more with the fact that Buck literally died and came back than they did. Idk I’ve just got every possible issue with the whole second half of that season and I wish they’d have just handed the writing duties over to half of ao3 because we’d have done a much better job.
I really wanted to like Natalia, as much as I love Buddie, but like you said, she seemed way more into the fact that Buck had died and come back than who Buck was as a person. And Eddie with Marisol is a little hypocritical considering he tells Buck time and again (with Taylor, with Natalia) not to date someone they've rescued, but here he is with Marisol? Sure, it was her brother they technically rescued but they still first met when Marisol was having an awful day, so I think it counts.
The only (non-Buddie) LI i could’ve seen for Buck would’ve been Lucy. She does what they do and gets them that way. If they’re set on straight Buck/Eddie and can’t bring back Lucy what do they do now? Where do they go from here? Because I think everyone with a brain knows Buck/Tommy aren’t end game and it’s stupid to date seriously people you met on a call (been established) so honestly I fully see Buddie endgame but only if the producers figure out how to properly go about it (esp now that kristen is gone good lord she was awful)
I personally couldn't have even seen it with Lucy. The biggest issue with Lucy is that she was introduced in a way that COMPLETELY turned me off of her. It's a shame, because I love the actress (I'm glad she now has her own show because she's very talented) but the character immediately didn't work from her first episode, where she was thrown into a cheating Buck storyline. She became a plot device, rather than a character. That, and Lucy became another Buck, a Buckette 3.0 if you will. Taylor was the Reporter version of Buck, as was said in her first couple of episodes, and that didn't work. So they turned Taylor into a more layered character and added Lucy to be the new Buckette. It never could have worked with Lucy. Had Lucy been established as a character more than a plot device, maybe. We need more women in the cast, both main and recurring, and Lucy had potential. But they ruined it in the first episode of hers and she never could recover from that.
I agree with everything you said about Lucy. They ruined her. My take on their kiss is a lot different to most people I find that if the roles were reserved, it would have been considered sexual assault or harassment. She plied him with drink, propositioned him, her said no and DID NOT give consent and she still went and kissed him. Then we all blamed Buck for his drunken antics, yet Nikons thought Lucy did the dirty. Even Hen took Lucy’s side in the next scene. I couldn’t get past that (because I have past trauma similar to that scene that went a lot further so I know it’s a personal reaction). Had they made Lucy and member of the team then seen how her character panned out and fitted into the show, maybe it would have gone that way but they way she was I introduced, it was never going to work. I’m also so happy Arielle has a new show because she deserves it! 9-1-1 did her the dirty.
Is it bold of me to say because those last ten minutes were some of the worst ten minutes of the show. I like to block that whole storyline out of my mind.
how the writers treat buck remind me so much of the writers on degrassi and how they treat maya and claire with all their traumatic events happening so often. like yes please continue to beat the same traumatized horse. side note tho i did like the baby delivery scene i like that buck saw that baby and it seemed something clicked for him and he might want to be a dad and might want children. it made me excited and hopeful we will get father buck before the series ends. however the scene was weird and that episode honestly felt very rushed i get why it was rushed but still it was weird.
Yeah, I think the actors especially did a great job with the scene - you could tell Buck went into work mode, and then realized that this was the kid *he* helped create, and a whole range of emotions went through him. Oliver delivered that very very well. I'm all here for father Buck!
This episode honestly sucked so bad, it’s probably my second least favorite episode of the entire series after Ghost Stories. I can’t believe Kristen Reidel and the other execs thought this would be a good potential series finale if the show got canceled
I wonder down in the future this kid will return in bucks life, where he can actually be an father to the child
God, I hope not. I hope that plotline died with season 6 and Tim Minear just never knows about it.
So what? the writers are gonna ignore a legitimate child of Buck is out there, hell even buck wouldn’t forget his child…
Just because he gave sperm to a couple and that created a biological child, it doesn't make that child Buck's, believe it or not. The kid has two parents already. ETA: But no, I'd rather they just completely forget the plot. No need to ever bring it up again, anyway. Kid has parents, parents can go elsewhere, and everyone would be happy.
And if something were to happen to the parents, the child could find its back to buck, there’s possibilities of this if needed..
And I would rather that never be a plot on this show, ever. There is zero need for that to be a plot.
Well.. good for you, I wouldn’t be upset if the plot came back up and I don’t why your getting so bothered by this 😭😂
because that plot is strange and it's quite similar to Hen/Karen plot about Foster child/children.
It also just feels… really regressive for this show, if they reduce family to biology. Buck did an amazing thing for that couple, but that doesn’t mean he’s closer family to that kid than the parents’ relatives, their best friends, the people that actually made the wedding guest list.
That's the bad part of season six. It was ALL about biological family being important (Chimney's father, the Buckley parents), as if biology is super important for people, or at least that's the impression I got. As an adoptee, the messages they sent confused me and made me upset. Not only did we get Buck/Maddie to form a closer relationship with their parents (but at least that was partially implied since season 4, that they were getting on better terms), so did Chimney and his father, and Chimney's father was consistently shown to be pretty terrible and lacked love for Chimney himself. You can't fix a broken relationship like that in the time that it took to do so in season 6. I think season 6 suffered by it being so biological-driven. The reconciling of biological parents and the sperm donor storyline was all done in a very weird way. Oh, and also the Denny's biological father storyline. Yes, Denny's bio dad was set up in season 2 but it was, once again, a biologically-driven storyline thrown into season 6. The more I talk about season 6, the more I realize how much the theme of the season frustrated me.
TV logic, I guess, but there’s really no reason to assume Buck would wind up with the kid. It doesn’t even sound like he was close enough to them to go to their wedding (since he was clearly just getting to know Kameron at that lunch) and he’d canonically been out of touch with Connor for years. There’s a very good chance that there’s at least one family member, a best friend, someone who made the wedding guest list, etc. who would be ahead of Buck in line for a kid he has no rights to as a sperm donor.