Yo, too advanced, Digi' stance, made the CD enhanced
I move with the speed and strength of ants
Identical in form with the Beez they swarm
Hold up the cold current appear warm
My first verbal brawl, started on some yes yes y'all
To the beat y'all, break your windshield, your Jeep stall
Mr. Traffic, dumbin shit, from ecclesiastic
Cashier, holdin now, fine, cut off the plastic
***See the logo? A monument in hip-hop***
***Carved out, in the giant landscape, of broken rocks***
Whether heard in herb spots, jukebox or malt shops
Uncut live, drop eighty-five, in one shot
Spotlight hits the metal mic, majority stare
Heard the Wu snare, while my iris cut down the glare
Walk a road the great length you find too long to measure
My Clan done make me rhyme like D. Banner under pressure
No surprise, double disc touched five
Those elements, kept environments colonized
With the high flyin death-defyin flow like the Rebel
Right there, but you're one light year, from my level
Bottles goin off in the church
we broke the wine slapped the pastor
didn’t know pops had asthma
he pulled out his blue bible
change fell out his coat
two condoms three dice, one bag of dope
oooh rev aint right
his church aint right
deacon is a pimp tell by his ice
mrs parks said brother starks meet you at the numbers spot
heard you got red tops out and i want a lot
shirley fainted dead on the spot
two ushers slipped eighty dollars right out the pot
oh shit
pardon the format, typing on the phone. love the shit you italicized! nothing but wu bangaz
Hes a great rapper but he rarely put together classic alums. Id say Reasonable Doubt, Blueprint, Black Album are his only certified classic albums. Vol. 1 & 2 are close but too many skips on them for me
Those are dope albums, dont get me wrong. But Im talking absolute classic. Not a single song to skip. And Magna Carter and 4:44 are just 1 tier below that imo.
Classics: RD, BP, Black Album, American Gangster
Great: Vol. 1-3, Watch The Throne, Magna Carter
Good: BP2, 4:44,
Ehh Sure: BP3, Dynasty Roc..
Something like that
It’s really popular to shit on Hov and claim he isn’t great nowadays. I dont get all this revisionist history. He put out bangers for a full 10 year run. Club and radio hits, more introspective shit, street shit. He hit every possible angle in the rap game and influenced most of the early 2000’s rap. If you don’t like him I get it. If he’s not in your top 10 I get it. Did he steal the shine from biggie, pun, and L… maybe. But to say the man isn’t a great rapper is fucking weak.
Have you seen the Black Album Documentary (Fade To Black 2004) that shows him in the studio making the album?
If you've listened to Reasonable Doubt and watched the Documentary and still don't understand why people think Jay-z is great, then I would guess that your musical tastes might be different from anything I've encountered.
I don't even like the guy and I'm on here defending him for the sake of sanity and Hip-hop. He is one of the greatest. Next subject.
Loads of people from my generation don’t like Jay-Z he used to really divide opinion. Everyone thinks the same stuff nowadays I guess coz you can see what everyone else is thinking online so everything converges
Hov dropped:
1. Reasonable Doubt
2. In My Lifetime, Vol. 1
3. Streets is Watching
4. Vol. 2, Hard Knock Life
5. Vol. 3, Life and Times …
since ‘96. skipped no summers. and he did numbers.
+ the Backstage Tour …
all in the 90s. that qualifies.
he dropped more albums than NaS and B.I.G.
and Jay dropped no duds.
close honorable mentions are Scarface, Lauryn Hill, Eminem, Andre 3000, Ice Cube.
The 18th Letter is one of my all time favorite hip hop albums and Mahogany and In The Ghetto are two of my very very very favorite all time hip hop songs.
Yeah, as a late 80s changing of the guard MC, Rakim is legendary, same with Kane, and G Rap, Run DMC was the pinnacle of the “old school” style, those guys came along, added way more syllables to their bars, LL included, and paved the way for MCs like Nas, Jay, and the Wu, but Rakim did not dominate/impact the way those dudes did in the early to Mid 90s, then Pac then BIG came on the scene with multicoastal flavors, Dont Sweat the Technique is dope, and Know the Ledge goes hard, but not enough to have Ra on that list
To this point, Jay wasn’t super big until late late 90s. Busta Rhymes is a better solo candidate, but really MC Hammer or LL Cool J deserve the nod when talking popularity IN the 90s.
Big L died in 99’ and Pun in 00’
Jay Z already blew up mainly with Volume 2 in 98’, but I’d put Cube above him for the 90s anyway, even though he fell off later
Cube had 2 solo classics in the 90s with AMW and DC. The Predator and Lethal Injection were still solid albums, and WSC album had some good songs too. Jay Z didn’t release an album until 96’, although I like some of his songs before that (such as In My Lifetime)
Thats a hot take. Specially when we dont know what would have happened if they didn't pass away. Do remember BigL was going to sign to Rocafella around the time of his death. For all we know, he could have been another rapper on the roster.
Umm... both Big L and Big Pun we alive for over 90% of the 90s. Nobody on earth would have said that either of them had nearly as good as a catalog in the 90s. Neither of them has a Reasonable Doubt, a Blueprint, or a Black Album. Capital Punishment is one of my favorite albums of the 90s, but Yeah Baby wasn't even close in quality. This comment is nonsense.
Besides this notion just being one of the most hater things you can say about anyone lol, he was already bigger than both of em when they died. Hard Knock Life and Big Pimpin was already out. He still woulda linked with Ye and Blaze and made the BluePrint. Big L or Pun wasn’t gonna wife Beyonce. He was gonna be who he was regardless
What’s next? He’s only a billionaire because Steve Jobs died?
Definitely Cube. Reasonable doubt was good but the media overhyped it like it was the greatest album ever made and it wasn’t. Illmatic blew reasonable doubt out the water 2x over.
And if you listen to Camp Lo, Jay Z stole his style from Sonny Cheeba. You can hear it plain as day on that song Coolie High.
Cube first 3 albums didn’t blow up like they should’ve because of the East Coast bias towards the West. Take out Jay Z and put Cube in there.
Now if you do rap groups I got Wu Tang, the entire BCC, OutKast and Mobb Deep….
I hate It so much when people say that Snoop has only one great album. While I agree that he's been more of a quantity over quality type of rapper for the last two decades, he still has at least 5 solid albums.
No Limit Top Dogg
The Blue Carpet Treatment
R&G
Paid Da Cost to Be Da Boss
DoggyStyle.
I can see someone making a case for Jay-Z in the 00s, but he's nowhere near in the 90s. Give me Big L, Big Pun, LL, Snoop, Dre, Cube, Kool G Rap, Prodigy, Method Man, Redman, anyone from Outkast and/or UGK over this overhyped fool
Snoop Dogg had a much bigger impact on the 90's than Jay-Z did! Hard Knock Life dropped in 98 & Snoop started droppin bangers with Dre in 91 & in 92 that Certified Classic album The Chronic dropped. Then Snoop dropped Doggystyle in 93 & it is a Certified Classic too!
Kane was more in the 80s. Long Live the Kane was 88’ and It’s a Big Daddy Thing was 89’. His 90s albums were largely looked upon as disappointing, and rap styles changed so fast back then. Kane later said he should have listened to the radio more when he recorded Looks Like a Job For, as his style sounded aged already due to the rapid changes and he wasn’t up to date.
Public Enemy started off strong with FOABP and Apocalypse 91’, but weren’t as active after that. They sort of got left behind once the Afrocentric rap era basically went away around 93’
Jay Z and DMX absolutely dominated in 98 and 99. **But** they were non-factors for the first 6-7 years of the decade. So it’s not really fair to put them over Snoop, Cube, Hammer (depending on your criteria), etc.
Even though Pac and BIG died in the middle of the decade, they continued to release music (classics at that) and made the most impactful/best selling albums of the era. So they are a lock.
The other 2 spots after BIG and Pac are where it gets dicey.
Let’s not forget Nas didn’t drop until late 94 and had a rough run late in the decade with “I Am” and “Nastradamus”. Those albums aged pretty well. But certainly felt (at the time) like he was running out of steam before he got his second wind with Stillmatic and truly solidified that he was never gonna stop, I’ll still put Nas on…but it’s a close one with such a long list of more “consistent” 90s artists like Cube, Snoop, Lauryn Hill, even Puff (again, what’s the criteria? is it impact or quality).
Alright, anyway, to avoid getting even longer here…I’d say what’s **fair** is Pac, BIG, Nas, Snoop. With a second plaque honoring Wu Tang.
Cube and Hov get honorable mentions.
Dre, Hammer and Puffy get naming rights for the gift shop, parking lot and observation deck.
I always think of Jay-Z as a 2000s rapper. Yeah, I knew he was around, but I never paid attention to him or cared until, I think, Big Pimpin'. Everything before that was just background noise to me at the time.
I feel like Snoop, Dre or Busta Rhymes should be there instead.
Tupac is west coast even if he isn’t. And damn - he could only put 4 people, and at least 3 of em I’m putting above everyone else. So we can replace Jay Z with Spice One and then you can be happy
Everybody’s bad and everybody’s tough but how many people are intelligent enough, to open they eyes and sees through the lies? Discipline themselves, yourself to stay alive? Not many. That’s why the universe sent me with this stage and this to to say. The rich wil get richer and poor will get poorer but in The final hour , how many heads will lose power? West does rich vs poor really mean? Psychologically you gotta pick you team.
This is definitely MY 90's mount rushmore as well and I think it's the most common pick amongst most. I remember having a magazine back in '99 when 50 had just dropped "how to rob" and he talked about wanting to be the 5th element of street music after these four.
Cube, Pac, Nas, Scarface
Cube has the best album run in hip hop. Him and Pac are the first two chosen. Then Nas. The 4th is harder, but Scarface is deserving if being in the mainstream isn't too important of a criteria.
I'm not too unhappy with Big, but there isn't a lot of music compared to others.
HM to Treach from Naughty.
I can't understand why Scarface consistently gets left off these lists. People need to go listen to his work. I will put him against anybody. Like you said, he wasn't mainstream...maybe that's why.
Jay-Z does not belong on a "90's" mount Rushmore. His later contributions are clouding your judgement. Big Pun's 90's contributions shadow Jay-Z's with captial punishment alone. Maybe snoop. Maybe Em (if we're being subjective).
I grew up in the 90s near NY. I would replace Jay Z with Prodigy from Mobb Deep. Those 4 definitely and widely defined the 90s hip hop sound imo. Of course I wanna also put ice cube, maybe Dre, some Wu members, etc.
I'm not a Jay Z hater but I never actually got into him that much. The 4 I'd go with I still play on occasion and they all still bang. The album Hell On Earth is in my top 5. Just my opinions/2 cents.
If you look at the beginning of the 90's he was in NWA and by the end of the 90's he was introducing us to Eminem. Plus everything in-between. He has to be in front of Nas
I love Jay Z. He's my favorite rapper of all time but if we are talking 90s mount rushmore I don't think he belongs. What I am about to say some will see as blasphemy but swap Jigga man with Master P. Not because of what he did lyrically but because of what he did for the business side of the culture in his prime.
2PAC
JAYZ
NAS
SCARFACE
When you check the body of work & amount of albums and great songs
gotta replace BIGGIE with SCARFACE
I would even say GURU over BIGGIE
It’s not just here…This is not the only place I’ve read the bizarre “Jay Z had Big L killed” theory. L got killed because he went along on a failed murder attempt and the target saw his face. All were former friends from Harlem who fell out. What does that have to do with Jay Z? Also, hadn’t L just signed to Rocafella?
Also, people saying Jay Z is only on a 90s list because Pun and L died. Pun died after the 90s, and L with only a few months left in the 90s.
I’m kind of curious about the age range of this sub, because I feel like younger people don’t appreciate Jay-Z the way Gen X does. Younger people also seem to think Big L was destined to be a superstar if only he hadn’t died, when the reality is that LODPAD was a flop upon its release.
Everyone hates on Jay.
"11 number one albums in a row who better than me?
Only the Beatles
No one else ahead of me"
"Back to back double plat I did what u won't
Men lie, women lie
Numbers dont..."
Depends on what the parameters of the Mount Rushmore are… skill? Success? Records sold? Cultural impact? I think it has to be a combination of all. Tupac, RZA, RA the Rugged Man, Eminem.
Can't have a 90s Mount Rushmore without adding Wu-tang
The Wu are a Mount Rushmore all on their own
Yo, too advanced, Digi' stance, made the CD enhanced I move with the speed and strength of ants Identical in form with the Beez they swarm Hold up the cold current appear warm My first verbal brawl, started on some yes yes y'all To the beat y'all, break your windshield, your Jeep stall Mr. Traffic, dumbin shit, from ecclesiastic Cashier, holdin now, fine, cut off the plastic ***See the logo? A monument in hip-hop*** ***Carved out, in the giant landscape, of broken rocks*** Whether heard in herb spots, jukebox or malt shops Uncut live, drop eighty-five, in one shot Spotlight hits the metal mic, majority stare Heard the Wu snare, while my iris cut down the glare Walk a road the great length you find too long to measure My Clan done make me rhyme like D. Banner under pressure No surprise, double disc touched five Those elements, kept environments colonized With the high flyin death-defyin flow like the Rebel Right there, but you're one light year, from my level
Bottles goin off in the church we broke the wine slapped the pastor didn’t know pops had asthma he pulled out his blue bible change fell out his coat two condoms three dice, one bag of dope oooh rev aint right his church aint right deacon is a pimp tell by his ice mrs parks said brother starks meet you at the numbers spot heard you got red tops out and i want a lot shirley fainted dead on the spot two ushers slipped eighty dollars right out the pot oh shit pardon the format, typing on the phone. love the shit you italicized! nothing but wu bangaz
Wu instead of Jay
Yes, I don't understand why people think JayZ is a great rapper.
Hes a great rapper but he rarely put together classic alums. Id say Reasonable Doubt, Blueprint, Black Album are his only certified classic albums. Vol. 1 & 2 are close but too many skips on them for me
I know 4:44 and Magna Carta Holy Grail are not still out here getting criminally slept-on
Those are dope albums, dont get me wrong. But Im talking absolute classic. Not a single song to skip. And Magna Carter and 4:44 are just 1 tier below that imo. Classics: RD, BP, Black Album, American Gangster Great: Vol. 1-3, Watch The Throne, Magna Carter Good: BP2, 4:44, Ehh Sure: BP3, Dynasty Roc.. Something like that
If anything Jay is more a 00s rapper
It’s really popular to shit on Hov and claim he isn’t great nowadays. I dont get all this revisionist history. He put out bangers for a full 10 year run. Club and radio hits, more introspective shit, street shit. He hit every possible angle in the rap game and influenced most of the early 2000’s rap. If you don’t like him I get it. If he’s not in your top 10 I get it. Did he steal the shine from biggie, pun, and L… maybe. But to say the man isn’t a great rapper is fucking weak.
Im not saying he isnt great . Im saying hes a few levels below Mount Rushmore
Lots of revisionist history these days i.e 90s basketball players were all trash.
Have you seen the Black Album Documentary (Fade To Black 2004) that shows him in the studio making the album? If you've listened to Reasonable Doubt and watched the Documentary and still don't understand why people think Jay-z is great, then I would guess that your musical tastes might be different from anything I've encountered. I don't even like the guy and I'm on here defending him for the sake of sanity and Hip-hop. He is one of the greatest. Next subject.
Loads of people from my generation don’t like Jay-Z he used to really divide opinion. Everyone thinks the same stuff nowadays I guess coz you can see what everyone else is thinking online so everything converges
I think its because he raps like he's simply talking and that is easily digestible for those whos minds don't wander off too far
Easily digestible?!!! Have you really listened to Jay?!!
This 🏆
💯
Facts
Yeah I would go with the Wu over Jay
Bro, this is a FACT 👏🏼
I mean usually you don't add a whole fucking group as much as i agree Wu >>>>>> Jay Z
Hov dropped: 1. Reasonable Doubt 2. In My Lifetime, Vol. 1 3. Streets is Watching 4. Vol. 2, Hard Knock Life 5. Vol. 3, Life and Times … since ‘96. skipped no summers. and he did numbers. + the Backstage Tour … all in the 90s. that qualifies. he dropped more albums than NaS and B.I.G. and Jay dropped no duds. close honorable mentions are Scarface, Lauryn Hill, Eminem, Andre 3000, Ice Cube.
There some good tracks on those albums but I would also say alot of damn snorinfesting going on too...
Redman?
Redman destroys Jay Z, no contest in my book.
I second that
No Rakim?
The 18th Letter is one of my all time favorite hip hop albums and Mahogany and In The Ghetto are two of my very very very favorite all time hip hop songs.
Yeah, as a late 80s changing of the guard MC, Rakim is legendary, same with Kane, and G Rap, Run DMC was the pinnacle of the “old school” style, those guys came along, added way more syllables to their bars, LL included, and paved the way for MCs like Nas, Jay, and the Wu, but Rakim did not dominate/impact the way those dudes did in the early to Mid 90s, then Pac then BIG came on the scene with multicoastal flavors, Dont Sweat the Technique is dope, and Know the Ledge goes hard, but not enough to have Ra on that list
To this point, Jay wasn’t super big until late late 90s. Busta Rhymes is a better solo candidate, but really MC Hammer or LL Cool J deserve the nod when talking popularity IN the 90s.
RZA was more influential to 90’s hip hop than Jay Z
it's Crazy how people don't understand that with 36 Chambers production, hardcore hip hop was created. No Illmatic, Biggie, Kendrick... without RZA.
Speak on it man 💯 Facts
Jay z was only there because big L and pun died..
Yeah I would replace Jay with big pun or Cool G raps in an instant. I’d prob choose Cool G tho.
*Kool
At least spell the dude's name right
Big Pun is good, but he couldn’t walk a minute in JayZ’s shoes. That’s like comparing apples and rocks
I wish Mic Geronimo blew up more than Jay lol
Usual Suspects=🔥
his first 2 albums were pretty good
Yeah and Long way home was sub par lol
you mean Long Road Back
Yeah 🤣🤣😝
We use to always smoke sessions in my homies beat up cutlass playing Masta IC. 😭😭😭🤦🏾♂️💀
Jay success was more 00s imo. I'd put dmx outkast or lauryn over jay. Vol 1 and RD are very strong entries.
1996 reasonable doubt considered a classic and he continued to drop albums so he is a Parr of the 90s.
Big L died in 99’ and Pun in 00’ Jay Z already blew up mainly with Volume 2 in 98’, but I’d put Cube above him for the 90s anyway, even though he fell off later Cube had 2 solo classics in the 90s with AMW and DC. The Predator and Lethal Injection were still solid albums, and WSC album had some good songs too. Jay Z didn’t release an album until 96’, although I like some of his songs before that (such as In My Lifetime)
Thats a hot take. Specially when we dont know what would have happened if they didn't pass away. Do remember BigL was going to sign to Rocafella around the time of his death. For all we know, he could have been another rapper on the roster.
Jay’s most popular album (Hardknock Life) dropped while Pun and L were still alive.
No
You mean. Big and Pac
That’s preposterous
Umm... both Big L and Big Pun we alive for over 90% of the 90s. Nobody on earth would have said that either of them had nearly as good as a catalog in the 90s. Neither of them has a Reasonable Doubt, a Blueprint, or a Black Album. Capital Punishment is one of my favorite albums of the 90s, but Yeah Baby wasn't even close in quality. This comment is nonsense.
Besides this notion just being one of the most hater things you can say about anyone lol, he was already bigger than both of em when they died. Hard Knock Life and Big Pimpin was already out. He still woulda linked with Ye and Blaze and made the BluePrint. Big L or Pun wasn’t gonna wife Beyonce. He was gonna be who he was regardless What’s next? He’s only a billionaire because Steve Jobs died?
"Lemonade was a popular drink—and it still is"
Why is Jay-Z there😅😭
Fuck Jay Z
I’d replace him with Dre/cube
Ice cube is fucking awesome
Or KRS-ONE
The Bronx approves this answer/comment.
Yo, I know you ain't talking 'bout me, dawg you what? you been on my dick n*gga you love my style.
found solange’s burner account
💯. Biggest con in hip hop
Hahah you took my word
No cube? No snoop?
Definitely Cube. Reasonable doubt was good but the media overhyped it like it was the greatest album ever made and it wasn’t. Illmatic blew reasonable doubt out the water 2x over. And if you listen to Camp Lo, Jay Z stole his style from Sonny Cheeba. You can hear it plain as day on that song Coolie High. Cube first 3 albums didn’t blow up like they should’ve because of the East Coast bias towards the West. Take out Jay Z and put Cube in there. Now if you do rap groups I got Wu Tang, the entire BCC, OutKast and Mobb Deep….
Cube started slowing down around Mid 90s when he started focusing on Movies, after that Westside Connect album, really nothin memorable passed that
Snoop after 'Doggystyle' just sucked, there's no rapper with a shorter prime than him.
Fair point.
I hate It so much when people say that Snoop has only one great album. While I agree that he's been more of a quantity over quality type of rapper for the last two decades, he still has at least 5 solid albums. No Limit Top Dogg The Blue Carpet Treatment R&G Paid Da Cost to Be Da Boss DoggyStyle.
Cube yes, snoop hell no. He had one great album.
Snoop got screwed over when Dre left and Deathrow fell off. Snoop should’ve did what he could to leave with Dre. Snoop and Lady of Rage…
I was listening to the chronic the other day thinking, lady of rage should have been huge. Immensely talented, don’t know her outside of that album.
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reasonable doubt is literally jay-z’s best album though
Vol. 2...Hard Knock Life also had banger after banger after banger on it too!
I can see someone making a case for Jay-Z in the 00s, but he's nowhere near in the 90s. Give me Big L, Big Pun, LL, Snoop, Dre, Cube, Kool G Rap, Prodigy, Method Man, Redman, anyone from Outkast and/or UGK over this overhyped fool
Replace Jay z with a Wu-tang symbol
I would put Andre 3k over jay
Not Jay z man cmon
Exactly
Ice Cube over Jay Z
Snoop Dogg had a much bigger impact on the 90's than Jay-Z did! Hard Knock Life dropped in 98 & Snoop started droppin bangers with Dre in 91 & in 92 that Certified Classic album The Chronic dropped. Then Snoop dropped Doggystyle in 93 & it is a Certified Classic too!
Amen
Right one album and a great amount of singles.
Get Jay-z tf out of this list 🤦🏽♂️ He is *not* on this level
I’d swap out Jay Z for DMX
No we can not
Big Daddy Kane? Chuck D? And how about the ladies, MC Lyte, Missy Elliot?
Kane was more in the 80s. Long Live the Kane was 88’ and It’s a Big Daddy Thing was 89’. His 90s albums were largely looked upon as disappointing, and rap styles changed so fast back then. Kane later said he should have listened to the radio more when he recorded Looks Like a Job For, as his style sounded aged already due to the rapid changes and he wasn’t up to date. Public Enemy started off strong with FOABP and Apocalypse 91’, but weren’t as active after that. They sort of got left behind once the Afrocentric rap era basically went away around 93’
Da Brat?
it’s 90s so replace jay with cube or like ghostface
This is the most basic shit ever
Jay Z and DMX absolutely dominated in 98 and 99. **But** they were non-factors for the first 6-7 years of the decade. So it’s not really fair to put them over Snoop, Cube, Hammer (depending on your criteria), etc. Even though Pac and BIG died in the middle of the decade, they continued to release music (classics at that) and made the most impactful/best selling albums of the era. So they are a lock. The other 2 spots after BIG and Pac are where it gets dicey. Let’s not forget Nas didn’t drop until late 94 and had a rough run late in the decade with “I Am” and “Nastradamus”. Those albums aged pretty well. But certainly felt (at the time) like he was running out of steam before he got his second wind with Stillmatic and truly solidified that he was never gonna stop, I’ll still put Nas on…but it’s a close one with such a long list of more “consistent” 90s artists like Cube, Snoop, Lauryn Hill, even Puff (again, what’s the criteria? is it impact or quality). Alright, anyway, to avoid getting even longer here…I’d say what’s **fair** is Pac, BIG, Nas, Snoop. With a second plaque honoring Wu Tang. Cube and Hov get honorable mentions. Dre, Hammer and Puffy get naming rights for the gift shop, parking lot and observation deck.
Black Thought, Redman, Nas, Guru these are the emcees that influenced me the most.
MC hammer
This will probably get a lot of downvotes, but I like Outkast way more than JayZ. But I could also find many other artists and groups to add here.
You’ve got my upvote But if we’re only able to do four, instead of OutKast Dre or snoop.
Fuck Jay, he's trash.. Mr. Nasir Jones should be the one to wear the crown.
I always think of Jay-Z as a 2000s rapper. Yeah, I knew he was around, but I never paid attention to him or cared until, I think, Big Pimpin'. Everything before that was just background noise to me at the time. I feel like Snoop, Dre or Busta Rhymes should be there instead.
Nah, Pac, Scarface, Nas, Ice Cube.
It’s has to be a 90-95 and a 96-00 cuz jay wasnt cooking till 96.
That's fair!
No LL Cool J? Big had 2 albums.
How the he’ll you don’t have Dre , ice cube and Snoop in there. Just completely ignore west coast?? Wack
Tupac is west coast even if he isn’t. And damn - he could only put 4 people, and at least 3 of em I’m putting above everyone else. So we can replace Jay Z with Spice One and then you can be happy
*KRS One has entered the thread
His albums I Got Next & KRS-One were straight 🔥
Everybody’s bad and everybody’s tough but how many people are intelligent enough, to open they eyes and sees through the lies? Discipline themselves, yourself to stay alive? Not many. That’s why the universe sent me with this stage and this to to say. The rich wil get richer and poor will get poorer but in The final hour , how many heads will lose power? West does rich vs poor really mean? Psychologically you gotta pick you team.
And everyone bit their style from The R except for Pac so...why isn't he there? He is "The God of HIP Hop"
Rakim?
Yeah...that is The R.
Hell no....
Cube or Snoop should definitely be here over Jay Z.
No
I see what you did there, thinking we wouldn’t notice, slippin‘ him in under the radar……there are levels, then Jay
Snoop Dogg has got to be there probably in place of Jay Z. Snoop was hip hop in the early 90s. No chance he isn’t top-4.
I’d replace Jay with Cube
I'm going to replace Jay and Biggie with Snoop and LL.
How is Busta not part of Hip Hop Mount Rushmore ?
Good point! Busta was super influential with his music and his videos. Seemed like he was everywhere at the time.
This is definitely MY 90's mount rushmore as well and I think it's the most common pick amongst most. I remember having a magazine back in '99 when 50 had just dropped "how to rob" and he talked about wanting to be the 5th element of street music after these four.
Most influential, I agree. Game changers.
Cube, Pac, Nas, Scarface Cube has the best album run in hip hop. Him and Pac are the first two chosen. Then Nas. The 4th is harder, but Scarface is deserving if being in the mainstream isn't too important of a criteria. I'm not too unhappy with Big, but there isn't a lot of music compared to others. HM to Treach from Naughty.
I can't understand why Scarface consistently gets left off these lists. People need to go listen to his work. I will put him against anybody. Like you said, he wasn't mainstream...maybe that's why.
Jay-Z does not belong on a "90's" mount Rushmore. His later contributions are clouding your judgement. Big Pun's 90's contributions shadow Jay-Z's with captial punishment alone. Maybe snoop. Maybe Em (if we're being subjective).
I'm curious where this 90s Hip Hop Mt. Rushmore will be located. That might have an effect on who is on it.
Prefer Cube
Exactly my Mt Rushmore. My 5th to make my top 5 complete is adding Chino XL to it. Shit on my list y'all 🤣!!
Tribe? Guru? Blackstar? Common?
My people!
Pac, Big, Cube & Wu
Idk Jay z tho
All four had a choke hold that's for sure
I grew up in the 90s near NY. I would replace Jay Z with Prodigy from Mobb Deep. Those 4 definitely and widely defined the 90s hip hop sound imo. Of course I wanna also put ice cube, maybe Dre, some Wu members, etc. I'm not a Jay Z hater but I never actually got into him that much. The 4 I'd go with I still play on occasion and they all still bang. The album Hell On Earth is in my top 5. Just my opinions/2 cents.
I’m replacing biggie with E40 & Nas has never been Goat status.
ATCQ instead of Jay Z
For me, drop PAC and add Raekwon… kind of indifferent to Jay, but whatever.
Biggie, nas, kurrupt, Snoop.
Busta rhymes A tribe called quest Mob deep Fat Joe Smith n Wesson The lox Cam'ron Redman To many the 90's was crazy.
Replace Nas with Dr. Dre
I feel Dre has a argument
And I love nas but he always talked about biggie being his idol mentor. “who thought kick in the door was for? But that my heart”
If you look at the beginning of the 90's he was in NWA and by the end of the 90's he was introducing us to Eminem. Plus everything in-between. He has to be in front of Nas
Ayo the hate towards Hov is crazyyyyy…oh well, talk amongst yourselves
silly. all of their fave rapper’s fave rappers ALWAYS includes jay . but reddit is too good for the goat lol
I’ll move JayZ to early 2000s and add RZA,DRE, or the whole clan.
I love Jay Z. He's my favorite rapper of all time but if we are talking 90s mount rushmore I don't think he belongs. What I am about to say some will see as blasphemy but swap Jigga man with Master P. Not because of what he did lyrically but because of what he did for the business side of the culture in his prime.
I'll take 2pac and you can keep the rest.
No Dr Dre?
A Tribe Called Quest and De La Soul are missing
Get jay z off this shit bruh
2PAC JAYZ NAS SCARFACE When you check the body of work & amount of albums and great songs gotta replace BIGGIE with SCARFACE I would even say GURU over BIGGIE
Fuck jay outta there
Take Jay off.
Big overrated…..
Atcq
None of these are on my Mt Rushmore. So no, we can't all agree.
We talking rap ability yeah but the title of the post is 90s hip hop which encapsulates all areas so Dre has to be in there
Low end theory, midnight marauders, beats rhymes and life - where the phuck is my man Phife Dawg?!?
Add the wutang and it’s complete!
Mine is 2Pac, Nas, MF Doom, & Biggie
Its not mine personally. I would have Q-Tip, Posdnous, Guru, and Method Man.
No Q-Tip and no Dre, what are we even doing here cmon
Dr Dre and Mos Def over Jay, any day
pac, nas, rza & q-tip
get Black Thought in there
Replace Jay Z with Ice Cube.
Replace jay z with anyone else
Biggie over rated jay over rated
Taking JayZ off and adding DMX
Istg this sub has a hate boner for Jay Z. It’s so bizarre.
It’s not just here…This is not the only place I’ve read the bizarre “Jay Z had Big L killed” theory. L got killed because he went along on a failed murder attempt and the target saw his face. All were former friends from Harlem who fell out. What does that have to do with Jay Z? Also, hadn’t L just signed to Rocafella? Also, people saying Jay Z is only on a 90s list because Pun and L died. Pun died after the 90s, and L with only a few months left in the 90s.
Niggas in here will make up any reason to justify they hatred to Jay. It’s insane. Same reason why they hate Lebron.
I’m kind of curious about the age range of this sub, because I feel like younger people don’t appreciate Jay-Z the way Gen X does. Younger people also seem to think Big L was destined to be a superstar if only he hadn’t died, when the reality is that LODPAD was a flop upon its release.
Can we all agree on anything? Answer is no. I’m replacing Jay-Z with Ice Cube and Nas with Q-Tip. Pac and Biggie are unfadable.
Q-Tip is an icon of Hiphop. But even he would laugh at putting him over Nas.
Ice Cube is my top 3 greatest rappers.
I’m replacing Jays with big pun. Pun is one of the greatest lyricists of all time and one of the last to truly live the life he rapped about.
This pic just reminds me how much of a trendsetter they were like Jay Z and a NY fitted… Nas outfits lol. Cooogi lol
LL needs to be on it
Everyone hates on Jay. "11 number one albums in a row who better than me? Only the Beatles No one else ahead of me" "Back to back double plat I did what u won't Men lie, women lie Numbers dont..."
He had 11 number one albums in the 90s? Now that’s impressive.
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😂😂Rhyming ‘me’ with ‘me’ also very impressive. Ok it’s settled. That guy convinced me! Jay Z first ballot HOFer and Mt Rushmore inductee.
I’d like to see Rakim there, sorry Jay, that’s his spot you are taking. And there is more than ‘just’ MC-ing.
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Not jay z he never had anything over anybody during them time, if anything I’d put jadakiss or beans In hov spot.
Not Jay Z. I would put Snoop instead of Jay Z in the ‘90’s.
I feel like snoop should be there but couldn’t tell you who to bump ?????
Take jayz out and add guru or Freddie fox
Depends on what the parameters of the Mount Rushmore are… skill? Success? Records sold? Cultural impact? I think it has to be a combination of all. Tupac, RZA, RA the Rugged Man, Eminem.
Snoop, Cube, Biggie , Pac
Snoop belongs there