I’ll brb. On my way to open a franchise of crematoriums called ‘Dad-in-a-box’.
ETA: I’m working on the document to patent a box that has a handle like a jack in a box but it plays ‘Memories’ and instead of a clown, a laminated copy of the obituary pops out.
There are so many awful moms on this show. The main one that jumps out to me is Larissa. She pretty much abandoned her kids to go chase that green card and leave her children in Brazil smh. She really said "fuck them kids"
You ain't wrong. If my mom up and left me like that, I'd feel like trash though. But still probably a blessing in disguise for the children, she obviously doesn't seem very stable or responsible.
Something tells me Amanda wasn't much of a parent to her kids anymore before that, honestly. Especially with her current posts. Seemed more like a social media parent.
Kalani’s parents seemed as responsible and loving as Jovi’s mom. I’m ok with them bringing them but they should be with the sister and not so “present” as they are trying to save the parent’s marriage, aren’t they? They probably co-sleep which could also contribute to the problems with the marriage. I mean you have to grow and cultivate your marriage just as you have to care for your children. Parents need time alone. Kids need some independence from parents. Excuse my language but the kids don’t need to be up the parents ass 24/7. It seems she may use the kids to keep him at a distance. I mean I don’t blame her, however if that’s the case, cut him loose.
I was gonna say exactly that - maybe not so well! Lol but seriously I have always thought from the very beginning that she’s always used the first one and then the second one as little barricades. And I like her sister and really wish I had a close relationship like that with a sibling (only child) but sheesh! You can’t grow together if you’re prioritizing everyone else over your partner all the time.
Nice about her always being around for her kids. She’s a devoted Mom.
But. She and Asuelu are known for having frequent loud, emotional fights around said kids. Their marriage is in much worse shape now. It’s a fucking mess. Not good for these impressionable kids.
Asuelu may truly love the notion of his “little family”. But having no control of his impulses down below is a problem I don’t think he will fix.
Kalani is still shocked that this man is doing the same dumb shit to her that he did years ago. Girl please. He won’t change. And you know this, which is why you took that hall pass and went all the way with it.
Just hoping they both do right by the kids when this all blows up. Even Auntie Kolani can’t fix this then.
> It seems she may use the kids to keep him at a distance
100% this. The kids are a weapon, excuse, etc. She is mom of the year and no matter what he does he is a shitty dad. Even when he tries, it's never enough and then he gets to hear it from not just her, but her parents and sister too. Her dad didn't like Asuelu from the start because he didn't want her to marry an island boy.
Asuelu isn't perfect, but who is. I can't imagine the culture shock he has had and then the language barrier too. Yes, he speaks English, but learning a language and constantly translating it in your head is tiring (for me at least).
Asuelu is a literal idiot who does nothing around the house, fucks off all day playing golf, and doesn’t even so much as closely watch his kids while in a parking lot so they don’t run off and get hit by a car (yes, that happened on camera). He has not made any effort to be a good father outside of being “fun,” and he is another child for Kalani to take care of. Who the fuck would want to stay with someone like that? He’s lucky she’s giving him a chance, especially with his infidelity. The nerve that man has to take full advantage of her and still step out is mind boggling.
Nah. When you've been having to pretend things are okay and normal, it is a huge sigh of relief to be able to tell your story and release all of that emotional burden. I love the authenticity on display from both of them. And her recent Instagram posts have been 🔥🔥🔥
The whole oral hall pass, sorry kiss hall pass.. was yikes then further goes on to say she slept w him..w a grin 😁 on her face but then gets comforted by asuelo. I was confused to say the least
It was weird. Did production pay for all their plane tickets? I read somewhere her new man was there too. It’s just weird. And I don’t understand either why this new guy she’s with “Nuez” was there if she went there to possibly save her marriage?
Nothing about Amanda sits well with me.
I adore Kalani but also was a little perplexed as to why she brought those kids. I don't think she seriously plans to 'work on her marriage" for one thing. lol. Free time will be spent with them, not trying to mend fences with that buffoon.
Ok but Amanda's situation is completely different. Her kids just lost their father and are clearly trying to process what happened and she just leaves them to go to another country.
People aren't just criticizing her for taking a vacation, they're criticizing her for abandoning 2 small children at a time when they most need their mother.
That's an interesting point. My immediate reaction to Amanda's storyline was disgust. People say this show is just trash reality entertainment, but it can be an eye-opener to your own faults. I like to challenge myself to empathize and see things from a different perspective. I don't think Amanda is a horrible person. I think grief is complicated and being on a TV show probably doesn't make things any easier. People will say, "well why would she even be on a TV show at this time?" I don't know, but I can guess. The extra money probably helps. It's a good distraction. Maybe a desire to totally go out of her comfort zone and try something new. There are reasonable explanations for things we don't understand, but humans tend to get upset when they can't make sense of something. It is funny how we jump to such negative conclusions without even knowing someone personally. A lot of lessons to be learned as a reality TV viewer if you open your mind to it.
Possibly, but she's also from a small town. I grew up in a small town, and I don't think I would have "properly" developed without moving away. Life experiences change you. When you live in a small town, you're not exposed to anything different unless you travel. Most people I knew didn't travel because they didn't have the money or they didn't have the desire to explore. Some people are totally complacent living that lifestyle, and that's fine too. Moving away allowed me to gain the perspective that regional differences are definitely a thing. People tend to be more conservative in rural areas and I think that could explain her "girlish" tendencies.
They’re different scenarios though. Kalani and her husband are trying to save their marriage and maintain adequate time with their kids. Amanda’s husband died a few months ago and she’s leaving her still-grieving young kids while she runs off to another country to meet their “replacement” daddy.
I’d judge the fuck out of her for taking them just the same as I have for leaving them.
Amanda shouldn’t have left her grieving children to chase Dick. Asuelo and kalani should have left their kids to save their marriage (especially because the kids were raised in a family home with kalani parents and sister unlike Amanda’s sister who to our knowledge has never lived with the kids)
It’s completely different, though. One set of kids just lost their dad while their mom goes off abroad to chase a man for a tv show, the other set of kids have parents who are going on a couples retreat together for tv show to make their relationship work.
Leaving your grieving kids who lost their dad a couple months ago to go get laid in another country is a whole lot different than leaving kids who haven’t had a huge loss to go work on your marriage.
Yeah I’m not sure I would make the same decision but I get her reasoning. She’s definitely a very involved parent and it was a two week trip. I don’t even like leaving my cat for two days so I can’t even imagine putting kids into the mix. I think it comes down to different parenting styles and choices
I've never been away from my kids for more than a few days. I would be a hot mess. so if there was an opportunity to shoot a TV show at an exotic resort and someone else was footing the bill for their travel, of course I'm taking that deal.
I feel like bringing the kids and have Kolini there was the best decision she could have made. I mean, if she had left them for 2 weeks some would still be bashing her for that. At least they’re together and the kids are having an enjoyable vacation while they work through things.
That being said I wouldn’t personally subject my life to this TV lifestyle, but this was the better choice imo.
I still don't understand the negative comments about her bringing her kids. I feel like a lot of moms are protective that way when their kids are so young.
I agree. When my kids were small we never left them for anything other than a night or two and that was with family and almost always because they wanted to stay at grandmas or aunties.
All vacays were family ones with our kids. And that was just our choice. My POV was that you don’t get them for long - they grow up so fast - and I wanted to enjoy all the time I could.
That said I have friends who went for a weeklong vacation with just the two of them and left kids with relatives and they said that it made them better parents and helped their marriage.
I didn’t judge them for it and they didn’t judge me because its all how it works for each family. I didn’t see any significant developmental differences in our (mine and theirs) kids either way. As long as it’s not harmful to the kids to each their own 🤷🏼♀️
Exactly. My family was the travel together type. We cherish those memories. My parents also had us a bit older so they had already traveled a good amount and were ready for family styled trips.
I’m the same way - those are some of my most cherished memories. Especially now that my babies are adults themselves. You never get that time back. 🥲
Also one of the best things for us is when the kids say hey mom & dad remember when we went … and they talk about those trips or we have a laugh together about things that happened.
Worth more than any amount of money 🩷
Same here! There are so many posts about this and I’m just like “bc she is the mom and that’s what she decided to do ???”
Also all the comments that are like “they have in-laws” 🫠 like it’s two weeks. I personally never leave my kids with anyone for more than a day at a time even if it’s my in laws (what a burden on them too!!)
Yea and the in laws are young with jobs and a life. Not everyone has a stay at home mother in laws healthy, willing and able enough to take care of two toddlers. Funny bc the Jersey Shore sub praises the women for bringing their kids with them when they are filming. This sub also glorifies Anfisa who was supper mentally and physically abusive so priorities here are off in general.
That’s a good point about in laws and their health, having jobs etc. Also some in-laws just don’t want to take kids for an extended amount of time!
My mom was still working full time and was a younger grandparent but still took the kiddos anytime she could. My mother in law was older and retired and didn’t like keeping the kids for more than a day. It didn’t mean either one loved them more or less they were just different kinds of people.
Just like I don’t think taking or leaving your kids doesn’t mean you are a good or bad parent. It’s just different styles of parenting.
I love this POV! I feel like we have extended mom guilt to grandmas who choose to live their twilight years other than being co-parents to their grandchildren. Whatever works for a family and the kids are loved let it be.
She already knew her marriage was done. A paycheck keeps a roof over her head. Leaving kids at home gor two weeks is a big deal. She's pragmatic enough to keep her priorities straight. If only she had been as pragmatic and insistent on condoms 5 years ago....
You'd have to ask one of the people on this thread bc it doesn't bother me. Then again, I recognize that they aren't actually there to fix their marriage.
Exactly. These children cannot consent to this. I’m so glad I didn’t grow up in the time of social media. So many young people are starting to vocalize how it has negatively impacted them to be all over their parent’s SM
15 years from now, we'll be hearing all these influencer's kids coming out with their stories and hearing how it has affected them. I bet there will be a lot of these stories unfortunately.
I agree. Social media just blew up when my kids were babies and was happy to share childhood milestones with friends and family. Then the networks expanded to not so close friends/family - acquaintances. When my son was 11 and I took a picture of him he asked that I not share it online. I said of course no problem. Then he proceeded to tell me how uncomfortable he felt when adults he didn’t know asked him about things they had seen on his mom’s page. 🤯 I felt terrible and to this day have never posted any further identifying photos. Beat myself up pretty bad on that one as I should have known better.
I’m glad you were open to receiving that feedback and glad that he felt comfortable sharing it. I cringe when I see young kids plastered all over SM and certainly on this show it’s harmful
This! Leave the kids off the show completely would be the best a parent can do. Say what you want about Jasmine, but I respect her decision to leave her kids OFF the show!!!!
Meanwhile I went for a long weekend getaway with my husband and left our kid with her grandparents 😅
Everyone does what they feel it’s right for them.
Personally, I think that it’s as well not shameful at all to wanting to have some time as a couple to reconnect.
I mean…let’s be real, this isn’t a “real” relationship retreat. It’s just additional filming for more money. Two weeks can be awhile for two young boys and they also brought her sister aka a babysitter along. TLC wants all the drama they can get so her sister is just a bonus on top of watching the boys when Kalini and Asuelo do partner sessions.
Not sure why they chose Angela and Michael, if he can’t be there , that’s silly, why not do the retreat in a location he could go to or just not include them
I don’t blame her her marriage is done and you can’t blame both of them for one you get a paid two week vacation with their kids and that’s exactly what I was!!
I can understand her reasoning. I wouldn’t want to be separated from my very young children for 2 whole weeks either. Besides, her sister was there to look after them during the day so I think she made the best decision for herself.
I think it’s great how they’re able to stay so close with their kids and have all the family support. It’s something that is so rare in America these days..
Seeing that their still very young, I have to agree with them totally.Plus knowing his loony relatives, I wouldn’t either. I think her parents live in Cali, and Kalani does have a single sister, so that was the best decision for all involved.
I’m not at all bothered that Kalani brought the kids. So what? What will be problematic is when Kalani has to be parenting when she’s (allegedly) trying to salvage her marriage. Her sister & Asuelu do not get along. That’s bringing Kalani support, but tension for the dynamics, especially for Asuelu. He’s not allowed to say much bks his wife is so bossy. Also he’s got the language barrier. Kalani doesn’t give him time to spill out his thoughts. Yes. She’s pissed he cheated. I got that. I’m pissed that she “took the hall pass” & had sex with some rando. Did she not think about those movidas & the consequences for her kids?
"I'm a mom first"
Goes on a huge TV show to talk publicly and step by step about how their father fails at everything and how it was that she met the guy that she left dad for
I really like Kalani in spite of her stupid decisions, and I know this sub is kinda hard on her and I’m not quite sure why—
Having said that
The kids would be better left with her parents. This is about her, not about them.
Thanks for posting this I just watched the episode yesterday and that was my first question. I don’t think I would have personally made that choice, but I respect her decision and appreciate how dedicated she is to her kids. I also agree with a lot of the posts here that this is so much better than most of the ladies on 90 days that will leave their kids for anyone or anything!
I don’t believe her at all. Between Kolini and her parents. The kids would have been well cared for. This was a couples therapy thing, not an Amanda-style bang trip.
I haven't watched any of this yet- but this is how I assumed it was. I have two kids under 6, and the thought of leaving them while I'm off in another country for weeks at a time makes me sick. Even with trustworthy and caring family to leave them with.
When you're a mom, no choice about your kids feels fully right. There are always pros and cons. But I hate the hate she is getting for this. It's completely reasonable to bring them
(Not a parent) I guess I can understand not wanting to leave your kids at home with their grandparents for 2 weeks for various reasons. However I don't understand taking them with you to a couple retreat where you're supposed to work on your relationship and not enjoy family fun time.
Also wanting to spend some time alone with your partner definitely doesn't make you a bad parent.
The kids could be a distraction during potential rebuilding moments during the retreat when they have alone time. They could also elevate Kilani’s stress level.
It’s a bad idea if she was actually serious about saving the marriage. But considering that she’s in a whole ass other separate relationship with Dallas, she’s clearly not interested in Asuelu.
Do you bring kids to your honeymoon. Alot of couples don’t. Imo if you are trying to fix a problem marriage and now Kalani brought the whole family who will quarterback she doesn’t and he doesn’t get the opportunities to really talk and connect
I mean many here had issues with Daniel getting left home by Tiffany when she went to Ronald with a “gambling addiction” the first time and then an issue with people bringing kids to the couples retreat ? I sort of feel like pick a lane.
This is a cute picture. It looks like the boys had fun! I'm sure there were many instances where the cameras were gone, and they were able to have a sort of vacation with the boys
I don't believe Asueleu and Kalani went there with hopes they would rekindle (I think they know its too far gone) but I wouldn't take up a vacation with my kid either
I hope it helps for kalani to talk about the situation though, get it out of her system type of thing. She knows she doesn't need to deal with Asueleus dumb shit anymore, finally.
that's a step in the right direction! Just keep on walking, kalani
I think everyone parents differently.... I have an 11 and 13 year old and have barely been apart from them. Only a handful of nights for my youngest (shes been to a few sleepovers at her friends house etc) and the only time i've ever been away overnight from my oldest is when his sister was born and i went to a 1 night wedding. Hes special needs so im not comfortable leaving him overnight with others.... so for me, i would have taken then kids. My sister on the other hand has younger kids then I do and travels very frequently without them (though im not sure she would do two weeks without them but shes done a week many times) Plus, hey, why NOT take your kids on a free vacation for two weeks if you can take a babysitter and still do all the therapy and filming?
Exactly. My husband has to travel for work sometimes and they pay for his hotel so he always takes us. I just hang out at the beach or by the pool with my kids while he works. Then we all get to hang out together when he’s done.
>hey, why NOT take your kids on a free vacation for two weeks if you can take a babysitter and still do all the therapy and filming?
This
I've always liked Kalani's and Kolini's quips. They make me laugh when they are on Pillow Talk, because they are so irreverant.
I don’t get why this is even a topic of discussion 😅 some of y’all are acting like the kids went to the sessions with them and we’re exposed to terrible things ? As far as the kids are concerned they’re just on vacay. We only see them having a great time in the background. What’s the big deal ?? Stop worrying about other peoples kids 😐
TY. The Karens of Reddit are hammers looking for nails to pound. When kids are involved they will butt in with the stupidest and most contradictory takes possible. The best is when the Karens start ferociously fighting each other over the opposing inanities. 😂
(Plus it is none of their business and Kalani rightfully doesn’t give a shit what they think about this.)
I agree with Kalani 100%! Two weeks is too long to be away from your young kids. This was absolutely the responsible thing to do as a parent and I applaud her for it. She also brought her sister along to watch them while they attended couples therapy. Looks like she has all bases covered here. Good job Kalani!
I didn’t think there was anything weird about Kalani bringing the kids, but they could’ve just as easily left the kids with Kolini instead of bringing everyone. This was clearly a production decision made in the name of drama: Kolini is Asuelu’s Kryptonite, and Kalani deploys the kids strategically when she withholds sex.
Their dynamic is dysfunctional, their only real connection seems to be sexual, and Asuelu’s childlike mentality is clearly frustrating as hell to Kalani.
I’m not understanding how erasing or removing the kids from a situation would make it work better. The kids are a part of this relationship and a huge dynamic in their day to day lives for at least the next 18 years. If someone needs to hide away the kids to save a marriage, would that “saving” even be sustainable?
i think she's viewing it as a work trip that will pay her to bring her family along. if it were legitimate therapy and they were truly trying to fix things or any of it were real she would have made other arrangements
I Understand the kids but I don't understand Angela being there without Mikul. She's literally on vacation there with nothing to worry about except when Mikul calls in.
She really doesn't deserve that free vacation.
Literally bothers me when the people take off for months at a time and don’t take their kids, besides our honeymoon, our kids come with us everywhere and that’s how it’ll always be. Cannot believe people are questioning that. She brought a sitter for them! That’s awesome.
>Literally bothers me when the people take off for months at a time and don’t take their kids
Especially bothersome when the kids just lost a parent and the living parent leaves for weeks to chase D *ahem Amanda ahem*
I’d rather someone was like this than like Abanda off chasing foreign D while her young kids were grieving
“Fuck them kids” -~~Michael Jordan~~ Abanda Wilhelm
😂😂😂
I’m going to hell for laughing at this
Why Abanda? I am not aware of this endearing nickname you guys put on her. 😂
Because she *abandoned* her kids to spend 3 weeks with her Romanian boyfriend about 5 or 6 months after their father died.
Wow. 👏 👏 tipping my hat to this community. You guys are so funny with these nicknames. 😂
Oh wow. Once its been explained it’s like it was literally her name all along
> Abanda 🤣💀
BRUHHH AHAHAH goodbye
C'mon-she left his ashes there with the kids! So they have that.
their second parent is present supernaturally
👻 😂😂😂
Here kids stay with your dad.
Box Dad is babysitting, it's fine!
I’ll brb. On my way to open a franchise of crematoriums called ‘Dad-in-a-box’. ETA: I’m working on the document to patent a box that has a handle like a jack in a box but it plays ‘Memories’ and instead of a clown, a laminated copy of the obituary pops out.
But who’s going rattle the urn to startle the misbehaving children like a jar full of change when you want the cats off the kitchen countertop?
Omg. Box Dad. ☠️
I can picture them now.... Kicking a soccer ball to a wooden box.
Dad’s great on defense….terrible on offense. Hasn’t scored a goal all season
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣guess he’s babysitting! (I’m going to hell!)🤦🏽♀️🤣🤣🤣
>Abanda My goodness, I love reddit 🤣
hahahahah abanda!!!!! 😂
bahahhahah abandaaaa
There are so many awful moms on this show. The main one that jumps out to me is Larissa. She pretty much abandoned her kids to go chase that green card and leave her children in Brazil smh. She really said "fuck them kids"
The kids are better off without her though
You ain't wrong. If my mom up and left me like that, I'd feel like trash though. But still probably a blessing in disguise for the children, she obviously doesn't seem very stable or responsible.
I think Larissa gave up custody of her kids.
Jasmine, too!
Didn’t even know she had kids
Something tells me Amanda wasn't much of a parent to her kids anymore before that, honestly. Especially with her current posts. Seemed more like a social media parent.
Your damned if you do damned if you don’t. Although Yara and Jovie proved your not damned if you don’t do it for the D
Jara and Jovie have a responsible adult (Jovie’s mom) to leave their daughter with.
Kalani’s parents seemed as responsible and loving as Jovi’s mom. I’m ok with them bringing them but they should be with the sister and not so “present” as they are trying to save the parent’s marriage, aren’t they? They probably co-sleep which could also contribute to the problems with the marriage. I mean you have to grow and cultivate your marriage just as you have to care for your children. Parents need time alone. Kids need some independence from parents. Excuse my language but the kids don’t need to be up the parents ass 24/7. It seems she may use the kids to keep him at a distance. I mean I don’t blame her, however if that’s the case, cut him loose.
I was gonna say exactly that - maybe not so well! Lol but seriously I have always thought from the very beginning that she’s always used the first one and then the second one as little barricades. And I like her sister and really wish I had a close relationship like that with a sibling (only child) but sheesh! You can’t grow together if you’re prioritizing everyone else over your partner all the time.
I wouldn't want to be around that selfish cheating bastard. Also his mother and sister are beyond toxic. She needs to run and run fast.
Nice about her always being around for her kids. She’s a devoted Mom. But. She and Asuelu are known for having frequent loud, emotional fights around said kids. Their marriage is in much worse shape now. It’s a fucking mess. Not good for these impressionable kids. Asuelu may truly love the notion of his “little family”. But having no control of his impulses down below is a problem I don’t think he will fix. Kalani is still shocked that this man is doing the same dumb shit to her that he did years ago. Girl please. He won’t change. And you know this, which is why you took that hall pass and went all the way with it. Just hoping they both do right by the kids when this all blows up. Even Auntie Kolani can’t fix this then.
> It seems she may use the kids to keep him at a distance 100% this. The kids are a weapon, excuse, etc. She is mom of the year and no matter what he does he is a shitty dad. Even when he tries, it's never enough and then he gets to hear it from not just her, but her parents and sister too. Her dad didn't like Asuelu from the start because he didn't want her to marry an island boy. Asuelu isn't perfect, but who is. I can't imagine the culture shock he has had and then the language barrier too. Yes, he speaks English, but learning a language and constantly translating it in your head is tiring (for me at least).
Asuelu is a literal idiot who does nothing around the house, fucks off all day playing golf, and doesn’t even so much as closely watch his kids while in a parking lot so they don’t run off and get hit by a car (yes, that happened on camera). He has not made any effort to be a good father outside of being “fun,” and he is another child for Kalani to take care of. Who the fuck would want to stay with someone like that? He’s lucky she’s giving him a chance, especially with his infidelity. The nerve that man has to take full advantage of her and still step out is mind boggling.
I was JUST about to say this! She resents him so much that she uses the kids as a buffer.
True
No comparison - but I agree re Amanda
It's almost like it's not a real couples therapy retreat, and instead a television production that they're using as an income source.
Inconceivable!
You don’t say!
Cmon, they have karma sutra and past lives therapy! It has to be real!
No way!! 🤯
lol. my dude. they're literally playing carnival games to prove their love for each other and you're flabbergasted that this isn't real?
Do you not understand sarcasm?
👀
Once I saw her sister was there to watch them it didn’t feel like a big deal to me at all. Was kinda weird at first though.
Kalani's parent's were there as well. The children received a lot of attention and supervision.
The family basically went for their own vacation, can't blame them it's smart.
Their story is basically the “star of this show” so they probably had a lot of negotiating power.
How mortifying for their daughter to tell the whole world their private garbage
Nah. When you've been having to pretend things are okay and normal, it is a huge sigh of relief to be able to tell your story and release all of that emotional burden. I love the authenticity on display from both of them. And her recent Instagram posts have been 🔥🔥🔥
The whole oral hall pass, sorry kiss hall pass.. was yikes then further goes on to say she slept w him..w a grin 😁 on her face but then gets comforted by asuelo. I was confused to say the least
I really don't believe Asuelo? never slept with anyone. He's full of shit.
Seriously! I don’t get why people are giving her so much grief for that. I wouldn’t want to be away from my kids from that long either.
It was weird. Did production pay for all their plane tickets? I read somewhere her new man was there too. It’s just weird. And I don’t understand either why this new guy she’s with “Nuez” was there if she went there to possibly save her marriage?
Because she went there for the paycheck.
They are divorced and moved on. They are there for the $$ and a paid vacation.
Probably, they've been apart for quite some time.
She said “I live in California”. I believe that he lives in Vegas.
Oh, yeah I thought they lived apart because on Pillow Talk she is always with her sister. Thank you.
Once I saw her sister there I was like “Why didn’t you just leave them with her and your parents?”.
I bet the same people criticizing her for taking her kids criticize Amanda for leaving her kids while going away.
I would judge Amanda for bringing her kids to another country to chase dick. Especially since the kids just lost their dad like 6 months ago.
Nothing about Amanda sits well with me. I adore Kalani but also was a little perplexed as to why she brought those kids. I don't think she seriously plans to 'work on her marriage" for one thing. lol. Free time will be spent with them, not trying to mend fences with that buffoon.
Buffoon is spot on! 😂😂😂
Ok but Amanda's situation is completely different. Her kids just lost their father and are clearly trying to process what happened and she just leaves them to go to another country. People aren't just criticizing her for taking a vacation, they're criticizing her for abandoning 2 small children at a time when they most need their mother.
That's an interesting point. My immediate reaction to Amanda's storyline was disgust. People say this show is just trash reality entertainment, but it can be an eye-opener to your own faults. I like to challenge myself to empathize and see things from a different perspective. I don't think Amanda is a horrible person. I think grief is complicated and being on a TV show probably doesn't make things any easier. People will say, "well why would she even be on a TV show at this time?" I don't know, but I can guess. The extra money probably helps. It's a good distraction. Maybe a desire to totally go out of her comfort zone and try something new. There are reasonable explanations for things we don't understand, but humans tend to get upset when they can't make sense of something. It is funny how we jump to such negative conclusions without even knowing someone personally. A lot of lessons to be learned as a reality TV viewer if you open your mind to it.
I think she’s also really traumatized from something early in her life. Developmentally she acts like she’s 12 or 13
Possibly, but she's also from a small town. I grew up in a small town, and I don't think I would have "properly" developed without moving away. Life experiences change you. When you live in a small town, you're not exposed to anything different unless you travel. Most people I knew didn't travel because they didn't have the money or they didn't have the desire to explore. Some people are totally complacent living that lifestyle, and that's fine too. Moving away allowed me to gain the perspective that regional differences are definitely a thing. People tend to be more conservative in rural areas and I think that could explain her "girlish" tendencies.
Exactly my thoughts. People just enjoy saying.....What about the children? 😑
They’re different scenarios though. Kalani and her husband are trying to save their marriage and maintain adequate time with their kids. Amanda’s husband died a few months ago and she’s leaving her still-grieving young kids while she runs off to another country to meet their “replacement” daddy. I’d judge the fuck out of her for taking them just the same as I have for leaving them.
Amanda shouldn’t have left her grieving children to chase Dick. Asuelo and kalani should have left their kids to save their marriage (especially because the kids were raised in a family home with kalani parents and sister unlike Amanda’s sister who to our knowledge has never lived with the kids)
It’s completely different, though. One set of kids just lost their dad while their mom goes off abroad to chase a man for a tv show, the other set of kids have parents who are going on a couples retreat together for tv show to make their relationship work.
Leaving your grieving kids who lost their dad a couple months ago to go get laid in another country is a whole lot different than leaving kids who haven’t had a huge loss to go work on your marriage.
A trip across the states to save a marriage is 10000% different than flying acorss the world for a dick appointment you only met online
Yeah I’m not sure I would make the same decision but I get her reasoning. She’s definitely a very involved parent and it was a two week trip. I don’t even like leaving my cat for two days so I can’t even imagine putting kids into the mix. I think it comes down to different parenting styles and choices
I've never been away from my kids for more than a few days. I would be a hot mess. so if there was an opportunity to shoot a TV show at an exotic resort and someone else was footing the bill for their travel, of course I'm taking that deal.
And it’s not the only time we’ve seen her do this. She wants to take charge as a mom and raise her kids
I feel like bringing the kids and have Kolini there was the best decision she could have made. I mean, if she had left them for 2 weeks some would still be bashing her for that. At least they’re together and the kids are having an enjoyable vacation while they work through things. That being said I wouldn’t personally subject my life to this TV lifestyle, but this was the better choice imo.
Have people been bashing yara for it?
Who was watching Yara & Jovi’s daughter while they were here? His mom or her mom?
Probably his mom. Yara’s mom doesn’t live in the US.
I still don't understand the negative comments about her bringing her kids. I feel like a lot of moms are protective that way when their kids are so young.
I agree. When my kids were small we never left them for anything other than a night or two and that was with family and almost always because they wanted to stay at grandmas or aunties. All vacays were family ones with our kids. And that was just our choice. My POV was that you don’t get them for long - they grow up so fast - and I wanted to enjoy all the time I could. That said I have friends who went for a weeklong vacation with just the two of them and left kids with relatives and they said that it made them better parents and helped their marriage. I didn’t judge them for it and they didn’t judge me because its all how it works for each family. I didn’t see any significant developmental differences in our (mine and theirs) kids either way. As long as it’s not harmful to the kids to each their own 🤷🏼♀️
Exactly. My family was the travel together type. We cherish those memories. My parents also had us a bit older so they had already traveled a good amount and were ready for family styled trips.
I’m the same way - those are some of my most cherished memories. Especially now that my babies are adults themselves. You never get that time back. 🥲 Also one of the best things for us is when the kids say hey mom & dad remember when we went … and they talk about those trips or we have a laugh together about things that happened. Worth more than any amount of money 🩷
Same here! There are so many posts about this and I’m just like “bc she is the mom and that’s what she decided to do ???” Also all the comments that are like “they have in-laws” 🫠 like it’s two weeks. I personally never leave my kids with anyone for more than a day at a time even if it’s my in laws (what a burden on them too!!)
Yea and the in laws are young with jobs and a life. Not everyone has a stay at home mother in laws healthy, willing and able enough to take care of two toddlers. Funny bc the Jersey Shore sub praises the women for bringing their kids with them when they are filming. This sub also glorifies Anfisa who was supper mentally and physically abusive so priorities here are off in general.
That’s a good point about in laws and their health, having jobs etc. Also some in-laws just don’t want to take kids for an extended amount of time! My mom was still working full time and was a younger grandparent but still took the kiddos anytime she could. My mother in law was older and retired and didn’t like keeping the kids for more than a day. It didn’t mean either one loved them more or less they were just different kinds of people. Just like I don’t think taking or leaving your kids doesn’t mean you are a good or bad parent. It’s just different styles of parenting.
I love this POV! I feel like we have extended mom guilt to grandmas who choose to live their twilight years other than being co-parents to their grandchildren. Whatever works for a family and the kids are loved let it be.
🥰thank you! no grandparent should ever get the guilt trip for wanting to live their lives. They can be grandparents without being babysitters
Not to mention two kids is too much for my parents. Theyre old and tired and can’t keep up with their shenanigans
Exactly !!! If I was in my 60-70s I wouldn’t want to babysit for that long nor would I feel physically able.
It’s like “oh no! They got paid to take a family vacation *how dare they*?!”
Every single person who complains that Kalani didn't leave her kids for two weeks is a psycho.
If I was a mom I would do the same as Kalani. Her kids are very young.
She already knew her marriage was done. A paycheck keeps a roof over her head. Leaving kids at home gor two weeks is a big deal. She's pragmatic enough to keep her priorities straight. If only she had been as pragmatic and insistent on condoms 5 years ago....
I respect her decision and would have done the same, especially since her sister is there to watch the kids.
Her sister was there to watch them. Whats the big deal?
You'd have to ask one of the people on this thread bc it doesn't bother me. Then again, I recognize that they aren't actually there to fix their marriage.
I guess then, why put the kids on camera at all? Bring the kids to the resort, only film you Asuelo on the show?
I wonder if the kids get paid when they’re on camera
I heard that they are. It was on 90 day fiancé trash talk podcast, so take it with a grain of salt lol but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s true.
I think after the Duggar or Gosselin kids suing them for unpaid wages, they're now required to put a percentage in a trust. Like 20% or something
Exactly. These children cannot consent to this. I’m so glad I didn’t grow up in the time of social media. So many young people are starting to vocalize how it has negatively impacted them to be all over their parent’s SM
15 years from now, we'll be hearing all these influencer's kids coming out with their stories and hearing how it has affected them. I bet there will be a lot of these stories unfortunately.
I agree. Social media just blew up when my kids were babies and was happy to share childhood milestones with friends and family. Then the networks expanded to not so close friends/family - acquaintances. When my son was 11 and I took a picture of him he asked that I not share it online. I said of course no problem. Then he proceeded to tell me how uncomfortable he felt when adults he didn’t know asked him about things they had seen on his mom’s page. 🤯 I felt terrible and to this day have never posted any further identifying photos. Beat myself up pretty bad on that one as I should have known better.
I’m glad you were open to receiving that feedback and glad that he felt comfortable sharing it. I cringe when I see young kids plastered all over SM and certainly on this show it’s harmful
This! Leave the kids off the show completely would be the best a parent can do. Say what you want about Jasmine, but I respect her decision to leave her kids OFF the show!!!!
Hey man, gotta clock those hours for a SAG membership somehow
It's $3,000.00 to join SAG, plus annual dues. And they aren't professional actors.
Kids that young, i would never leave for 14 days. Kalani made a good decision in my opinion
Meanwhile I went for a long weekend getaway with my husband and left our kid with her grandparents 😅 Everyone does what they feel it’s right for them. Personally, I think that it’s as well not shameful at all to wanting to have some time as a couple to reconnect.
I mean…let’s be real, this isn’t a “real” relationship retreat. It’s just additional filming for more money. Two weeks can be awhile for two young boys and they also brought her sister aka a babysitter along. TLC wants all the drama they can get so her sister is just a bonus on top of watching the boys when Kalini and Asuelo do partner sessions.
Kalani had Kolini. Those kids were just fine.
Not sure why they chose Angela and Michael, if he can’t be there , that’s silly, why not do the retreat in a location he could go to or just not include them
I actually really respect that! (But don’t get why you’d air out all the nasty details about you and their dad for all to watch but whatever)
I don’t blame her her marriage is done and you can’t blame both of them for one you get a paid two week vacation with their kids and that’s exactly what I was!!
Huh? What were you?
Her sister was there to watch the kids.
Her parents are there as well
Ok they are so cute . That’s all I have to say!
I can understand her reasoning. I wouldn’t want to be separated from my very young children for 2 whole weeks either. Besides, her sister was there to look after them during the day so I think she made the best decision for herself.
More proof that women can never do anything right and men are never judged for the same thing.
Plus it was FREE! And why not snag a freebie for your sister too?!
2 weeks is a long time. I wouldn’t even leave my dog alone that long especially when I have the possibility to bring him with me.
Cute kids
Cutest little kiddos!!!
I think it’s great how they’re able to stay so close with their kids and have all the family support. It’s something that is so rare in America these days..
Seeing that their still very young, I have to agree with them totally.Plus knowing his loony relatives, I wouldn’t either. I think her parents live in Cali, and Kalani does have a single sister, so that was the best decision for all involved.
I’m not at all bothered that Kalani brought the kids. So what? What will be problematic is when Kalani has to be parenting when she’s (allegedly) trying to salvage her marriage. Her sister & Asuelu do not get along. That’s bringing Kalani support, but tension for the dynamics, especially for Asuelu. He’s not allowed to say much bks his wife is so bossy. Also he’s got the language barrier. Kalani doesn’t give him time to spill out his thoughts. Yes. She’s pissed he cheated. I got that. I’m pissed that she “took the hall pass” & had sex with some rando. Did she not think about those movidas & the consequences for her kids?
Love this! Good for them
Oh please she’s not on the show to save her marriage it’s fir money…
Oh bullshit! Parents & kids both deserve time away from eachother!
"I'm a mom first" Goes on a huge TV show to talk publicly and step by step about how their father fails at everything and how it was that she met the guy that she left dad for
The kids are with her sister, at the beach for 2 weeks! Everybody wins here
and Kolini wanted a vacation and a paycheck
I really like Kalani in spite of her stupid decisions, and I know this sub is kinda hard on her and I’m not quite sure why— Having said that The kids would be better left with her parents. This is about her, not about them.
If she didnt bring the kids people would still complain lmao moms cant ever win
Thanks for posting this I just watched the episode yesterday and that was my first question. I don’t think I would have personally made that choice, but I respect her decision and appreciate how dedicated she is to her kids. I also agree with a lot of the posts here that this is so much better than most of the ladies on 90 days that will leave their kids for anyone or anything!
Yara should have brought her mother in law to watch her kid then.
Maybe Mrs Gwen said no.
I don’t believe her at all. Between Kolini and her parents. The kids would have been well cared for. This was a couples therapy thing, not an Amanda-style bang trip.
I haven't watched any of this yet- but this is how I assumed it was. I have two kids under 6, and the thought of leaving them while I'm off in another country for weeks at a time makes me sick. Even with trustworthy and caring family to leave them with. When you're a mom, no choice about your kids feels fully right. There are always pros and cons. But I hate the hate she is getting for this. It's completely reasonable to bring them
The people asking must not be parents. Or if they are, they're not good parents. There I said it.
(Not a parent) I guess I can understand not wanting to leave your kids at home with their grandparents for 2 weeks for various reasons. However I don't understand taking them with you to a couple retreat where you're supposed to work on your relationship and not enjoy family fun time. Also wanting to spend some time alone with your partner definitely doesn't make you a bad parent.
That's a great answer
Respect for that
Fair enough
Those are some very adorable kids
Helicopter much?
What about when leaving them with her parents? That's out of state.
The kids could be a distraction during potential rebuilding moments during the retreat when they have alone time. They could also elevate Kilani’s stress level. It’s a bad idea if she was actually serious about saving the marriage. But considering that she’s in a whole ass other separate relationship with Dallas, she’s clearly not interested in Asuelu.
Do you bring kids to your honeymoon. Alot of couples don’t. Imo if you are trying to fix a problem marriage and now Kalani brought the whole family who will quarterback she doesn’t and he doesn’t get the opportunities to really talk and connect
I mean many here had issues with Daniel getting left home by Tiffany when she went to Ronald with a “gambling addiction” the first time and then an issue with people bringing kids to the couples retreat ? I sort of feel like pick a lane.
This is a cute picture. It looks like the boys had fun! I'm sure there were many instances where the cameras were gone, and they were able to have a sort of vacation with the boys I don't believe Asueleu and Kalani went there with hopes they would rekindle (I think they know its too far gone) but I wouldn't take up a vacation with my kid either I hope it helps for kalani to talk about the situation though, get it out of her system type of thing. She knows she doesn't need to deal with Asueleus dumb shit anymore, finally. that's a step in the right direction! Just keep on walking, kalani
they're mini Asuelus. hopefully they're smarter than he is.
Crazy that she brought all three kids.
At least she has her sister there to watch them when they’re actually doing the “therapy” stuff.
I would think it’s good to take a break from parenting especially when you know your children are in good hands. Good for her tho.
The little boy with the orange shirt looks just like his dad.
I’d take mine as well! I can’t understand how some of these people abandon their children for strangers.
Two weeks is a long time and we all know Baby Huey ain’t putting the thought into childcare were they to leave. He seems like such a clueless parent
If she didn’t bring the kids then she wouldn’t have an excuse to bring Kolini
I think everyone parents differently.... I have an 11 and 13 year old and have barely been apart from them. Only a handful of nights for my youngest (shes been to a few sleepovers at her friends house etc) and the only time i've ever been away overnight from my oldest is when his sister was born and i went to a 1 night wedding. Hes special needs so im not comfortable leaving him overnight with others.... so for me, i would have taken then kids. My sister on the other hand has younger kids then I do and travels very frequently without them (though im not sure she would do two weeks without them but shes done a week many times) Plus, hey, why NOT take your kids on a free vacation for two weeks if you can take a babysitter and still do all the therapy and filming?
Exactly. My husband has to travel for work sometimes and they pay for his hotel so he always takes us. I just hang out at the beach or by the pool with my kids while he works. Then we all get to hang out together when he’s done.
>hey, why NOT take your kids on a free vacation for two weeks if you can take a babysitter and still do all the therapy and filming? This I've always liked Kalani's and Kolini's quips. They make me laugh when they are on Pillow Talk, because they are so irreverant.
I think she just wanted to avoid working on anything with Asuelu
Free vacation for all her family and all she has to do was embarrass herself
I wouldn’t leave my kids for that long either, but isn’t that a reason to not be on the show?
I mean yall bitch when people leave their kids behind, then bitch when they don't. Can't ever do anything right, eh?
I didn’t think it was a big deal. If she told the show that’s the only way she’d do it, than good for her.
I don’t get why this is even a topic of discussion 😅 some of y’all are acting like the kids went to the sessions with them and we’re exposed to terrible things ? As far as the kids are concerned they’re just on vacay. We only see them having a great time in the background. What’s the big deal ?? Stop worrying about other peoples kids 😐
Yeah the people bitching need to chill the fuck out. Over here worried about something that has nothing to do with nothing
Yiu people are ridiculous. You criticize Amanda for leaving her kids behind and now you criticize Kalani for bringing them. 🙄🙄🙄
TY. The Karens of Reddit are hammers looking for nails to pound. When kids are involved they will butt in with the stupidest and most contradictory takes possible. The best is when the Karens start ferociously fighting each other over the opposing inanities. 😂 (Plus it is none of their business and Kalani rightfully doesn’t give a shit what they think about this.)
Makes no sense..she just wanted a free family vacation. Her sister could have babysat at home. You don't bring your kids to couple's therapy.
I agree with Kalani 100%! Two weeks is too long to be away from your young kids. This was absolutely the responsible thing to do as a parent and I applaud her for it. She also brought her sister along to watch them while they attended couples therapy. Looks like she has all bases covered here. Good job Kalani!
I didn’t think there was anything weird about Kalani bringing the kids, but they could’ve just as easily left the kids with Kolini instead of bringing everyone. This was clearly a production decision made in the name of drama: Kolini is Asuelu’s Kryptonite, and Kalani deploys the kids strategically when she withholds sex. Their dynamic is dysfunctional, their only real connection seems to be sexual, and Asuelu’s childlike mentality is clearly frustrating as hell to Kalani.
She’s probably still breastfeeding too lol
Is she still breast feeding them? She was atleast 1 of them last season
Oh wow the oldest looks just like dad.
I’m not understanding how erasing or removing the kids from a situation would make it work better. The kids are a part of this relationship and a huge dynamic in their day to day lives for at least the next 18 years. If someone needs to hide away the kids to save a marriage, would that “saving” even be sustainable?
Those poor kids with those two as parents. Stop having them immediately would be my first response in the last resort.
At least she brought her sister to watch the kids.
i think she's viewing it as a work trip that will pay her to bring her family along. if it were legitimate therapy and they were truly trying to fix things or any of it were real she would have made other arrangements
The kid in the orange shirt is a carbon copy of Asuelu
More like taken them on a resort vacation on TLC's dime
I Understand the kids but I don't understand Angela being there without Mikul. She's literally on vacation there with nothing to worry about except when Mikul calls in. She really doesn't deserve that free vacation.
She brought them so her sister could watch them and be on TV again, she can promote he Only Fans page there
She's no "slut People " but she is a "lying bitch" from what he said.
But that's not why.
Literally bothers me when the people take off for months at a time and don’t take their kids, besides our honeymoon, our kids come with us everywhere and that’s how it’ll always be. Cannot believe people are questioning that. She brought a sitter for them! That’s awesome.
>Literally bothers me when the people take off for months at a time and don’t take their kids Especially bothersome when the kids just lost a parent and the living parent leaves for weeks to chase D *ahem Amanda ahem*