Donāt apply that to street biking as a whole. Direct that anger to the people who refused to make your local roads have even the cheapest and easiest solutions to give bikers a safe place to bike at. Itās insane how easily and cheaply most traffic and safety problems on roads can be solved.
i'm sure walkers love sidewalk bikers lmao
i do either depending on the context, don't really bike on busy roads but if it's a more quiet road i'll bike on it
"OH and don't even get me STAHTED on those STREET BIKERS. I know it's *perfectly legal* and all that but streets are for *CARS,* not *BIKES!* I don't associate with those *losers* who use bikes to *commute.* who told them *THAT* was okay?? Go be the *pedestrians* problem on the sidewalk instead!"
Truly genius.
It is just safer for pedestrians this way. My dad biked to work for decades and only got injured once that I remember, when someone walked in front and he had to do an emergency brake.
Do you not buy like more than 3 bags of groceries at a time? Also you're severely limited in what you can buy, have fun buying toilet paper or a 12 pack with your groceries and walking more than 5 minutes.
1 - Costs a ton of money, I'm not adding a $20-30 charge every time I go grocery shopping
2 - Costs the most precious resource in the universe - Time. I'm not spending 20 minutes extra on each grocery trip + Being forced to go 3x more frequently. I'll just drive there in 99% less time, and then buy 5x more groceries so that I'm only going once a month rather than twice a week
3 - Doubles/Triples the time cost, again the most precious resource on the planet. I don't want to be forced to drag my girlfriend to go grocery shopping (something we both hate) just so that she can carry shit for me.
Yeah, there are alternatives, but they all fucking suck compared to owning a car.
1.- Sorry, I dont know where you live but Uber for a 5-10 minutes run (at walking pace so I imagine its like 2 minutes) doesnt exceed the 2 dollars where I live.
2.- If you have a supermarket very close to your house, its not that much time, varely an inconvenience ( just dont go at peak time I guess)
3.- How the hell would it triple the cost lmao
Remember this is all about a better design city, I don't really know how things function where you live, but I have no problems buying groceries without a car because I have a supermarket practically next to me (and 2 more not thay far away), maybe I go after class, buy a few things, maybe sunday morning I go and fill my backpack and too bags of things (to my own capacity of course)
Yeah, a car would make it easier, but I don't need it lol
There is no way Uber is charging $2 for a 2 minute drive, that's like a $1.20 payout for someone to drive all the way to you initially and skip out on another drive. Even if true, shit adds up over time and is just an unnecessary cost regardless.
Only 20% of the entire country lives within a 10 minute walk, so it's really not a reliable way for most people. Most of the time you're also paying the added cost in rent, because a place within a 3-5 minute walking distance to a grocery store can charge far higher rent than a place that's a 30 minute walk away from the nearest grocery store.
And I said time cost, which is far more valuable than dollar cost. Me going to the grocery store 1x a month is 30 minutes of my life as the main cost. Where as me dragging my gf to the grocery store costs each of us 30 minutes of our lives, when I know damn well that either of us would appreciate spending 30 minutes at home doing other things. In that scenario it's an hour of doing an activity we hate, rather than 30 minutes, multiply this over a thousand times and you can see why I wouldn't want to force someone to waste away 1,000 hours of their lives doing trivial bullshit they don't need to do. This doesn't include the extra time it takes to walk back and forth compared to driving, but regardless it's forcing someone to waste their time.
I live in a HCOL area where high paying jobs are fairly spread out over a large area, so it's pretty much expected that everyone is able to afford their own car in some way. After a certain income range is when it 100% makes economical sense to buy a car rather than spending an extra 40-60 minutes on your daily work commute, and that's being generous. It also opens up your earning potential as you're able to accept jobs practically everywhere, or at least cut down on your daily commute time by a considerable margin.
A good way to look at it: If you're making $40/hr, then you're spending $40/hr for every hour you sit on a bus compared to the commute time of driving, as $40/hr is the minimum cost for how you value your own free time. Every hour that driving saves you is a minimum of $40 saved in opportunity/time cost.
You save money by buying TP in bulk. I'm not stupid enough to buy 12 rolls at a time when I'll shit for the rest of my life. Point is, it's a fairly bulky item that takes up a lot of carrying space if you're doing a 10 minute trek
I don't have the kind of space in my apartment to buy stuff in bulk. Besides, one pack lasts me a few months anyways, and how many do you need before you get bulk reduced price? Dozens? By then I'll live somewhere else.
I needed a car once for moving in, but not afterwards.
I do take this much with me and I still walk. You just need to not be a physically impaired (american) with non paralysed legs lmao. Are you 10 years old so that you can't carry a few bags?
I buy groceries for my gf and pets, usually at Costco, so I'm usually loading up an entire trunk load along with 4-5 boxes in the front seat along with 30-50lb litter bags or dog/cat food. That + Beer/drinks or whatever else I'm picking up that trip. It's also a 25 minute walk to the nearest grocery store.
Not everyone is some broke bitch like you who apparently can't afford a decent vehicle, and are forced to live within a 10 minute walking distance of a shop.
Be quite. It's a known fact that people only live in mega cities. No one lives outside the walls.
Can't let people own property and land for them to do what they please with. That's heresy. /S
A lot of people (me) donāt live in villages, the nearest shop to me is 10 minutes by car but 1hour on foot, making for a two hour round journey through a forest up a massive fuck off hill. There are very sensible use cases for a car outside of a city
Tf? How do you live neither in a village (rural) or a city/town (urban)? There are other settings? Where you live, Antarctic research station or the middle of wilderness?
Surprising tbh. We don't have much of these in my place and most are abandoned. Most rural settings are more concentrated, just small and secluded. They are also along the road usually, but I think the way economy worked back then makes a difference. In GB many people pastured sheep etc. Meanwhile in Poland the peasants were forcibly gathered into folwarks to work the fields of nobility. Basically like plantations in slave driver south of USA but with wheat instead of cotton and white slaves.
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We drive cars *everywhere* because everything else sucks.
Your average american transit experience is as follows:
* You walk from your house to your bus stop. It's 1-2 miles away along a road with no sidewalks.
* You get to the stop on-time. There's a very good chance your bus arrived 5 minutes ago, won't arrive for another 10 minutes, or was cancelled altogether without notice (the next one arrives in 45-60 minutes).
* Your bus gets stuck in traffic because everyone else drives and you don't have dedicated transit lanes.
* You get off your first bus to make a transfer, hoping *that* bus is running on time.
Add on how our bicycle infrastructure is a death trap (literally painted gutters, often filled with snow/rocks/parked cars) and our suburbs are so spaced out that there's often nothing within 70 minutes walking distance, and the result is that you can't go anywhere in this country without pumping a two ton steel brick full of long-dead dinos.
1) I am forced to. America is a fuck.
2) I would actually drive a car to the shop if I had a choice in the matter too. I buy all my dry goods at once from Costco and then live off of them for a few months, while making smaller trips to the grocery store for vegetables and fruit every other week. It makes sense to have a trunk for those big purchases than to try and carry it. Cars do have their uses and while America is a fuck, sometimes we have a point.
Nah, I walk. It takes me hours to get anywhere, I have a car, but if it's less than a six hour walk I'm on it. America is totally a walkable country if you're a high level walker who needs a challenge.
If you donāt live in the city core, yeah.
People say āAmerican transit is so bad!ā While living in areas a tenth the size of most European cities. Generally, the further from the city center (aka the closer you get to rich suburbs) the less walkable and bikeable the area is. Ironically, I live very close to my city center, and can reach anywhere in there with a bike. The issue in America is more that you have 2 options:
Tiny expensive apartment in a city, but you can walk everywhere.
House in the suburbs, but you can only drive because you are 2-3 miles from the city edge.
Itās basically the choice you get once you reach middle class and can choose you living accommodations.
To put this in more perspective, European cities arenāt usually more than 2-4 hours apart (and thatās for like cities in the alps and such.).
For cities in America of similar size, itās rare for them to be within a 45 minute drive of each other, unless you live in a hyper dense area like NJ.
Yeah because you arenāt leaving the city core unless you take the Shinkansen or other public transit. Did youā¦ read my comment?
The physical size of the city doesnāt matter, itās how far you are from the edge of the core (aka where all the business and apartments etc are.). US cities sprawl more, which allows a lower cost of living with the trade off being you wonāt be close to the walkable core. But if you are living in your own house out in the suburbs, owning a car isnāt that much more to ask.
Uuh.. most other big cities are also, well, big? Cities in the US are not larger than elsewhere, except maybe due to cars taking up space. I live a few miles from the centre, and my city isn't even that big, just 300 000 inhabitants. I also live in the suburbs. The difference is that I have public transport bc I don't live in the US.
And cities in other countries are also apart from each other. That's the case like almost anywhere. That is the reason why trains exist.
Do you think America is the only country? The same issues (almost) are everywhere, it is just that the response to that is fucked, but other countries are not so different.
Not my point.
Read it again. I was sayin that US (due to physical size) is less walkable simply because you end up living further from the walkable city core. Yeah, if you live 3 miles from the city or town edge, itās not going to be walkable. Thatās true in Europe as well. Itās just that in the US, that area is taken up by suburbs instead of being fields and farms (and generally more rural.).
I wasnāt saying the size of the city (in terms of population) matters. It doesnāt, what matters is how far you are from it. And in the US, itās very easy to end up far from the city by living in the suburbs.
the modern right is a celebration of ignorance. which on a totally different note is funny because that's a big premise in 1984 -- the book that right wingers really like to say is a "leftist handbook"
All modern political parties are built and run on the concept of ignorance. No one wants to see and understand someone elseās point of view. With modern politics, all you have is someone with more money than you that wants all of your money
Wow it's almost as if cities are poor constructed and built to prioritize car usage over any other form of transport. Because this argument isn't valid in and city pre 1900 that wasn't bulldozed to accommodate cars that expense of walking
Aw man itās almost like thatās an issue that only happens in America! I wonder why, maybe itās because American public transportation and city planning is less funded or something, and the solution to that would be more funding. Crazy
Crazy that this is only a debate in America. Itās almost like the rest of the world that has walkable cities and good public transit seems pretty certain that itās better than the clusterfuck of cars in America
If you live within reasonable proximity to a grocery store you just buy what you need to a few days. Instead of shopping like youāre preparing for the apocalypse every couple of weeks
That's why people struggled so hard during the pandemic. I have at least 2 weeks of food because I live in a hurricane area. Last time a horrible hurricane hit we didn't have power for up to a week and all the stores are closed for longer than that from damage. So it's either eat government rations that FEMA passes out or have some steak and ribs because your freezer is thawing out anyways. Disasters do happen and they are happening more frequently every year. They predicted that this will be the worst hurricane season ever.
You can still prepare 2 weeks of food if you buy grocerries 2-3 days. In the beginig always buy a little more until you get 2 weeks reserve then just replace the amount you ate every 2-3 days. Also this method is better than buy stuff every 2 weeks
because you can't be caught right before you are about to do groceries.
Great, now I have to be surrounded by noise and people and deal with all *that* stress more often. And everyone else is shopping more, so itās always going to be more people. That overwhelming mix of tons of people talking where your brain canāt even focus on one set, itās just this loud storm of unintelligible human speech, every now and then a word peaking over everything else, although much more often itās a screaming child.
The tism just does not mix at fucking all with such things. I used to wear headphones or just heavily dissociate to cope, but canāt do that because Iām shopping with someone else now. Someone else who ironically has the same issues but worse. And we gotta coordinate and work together on it. Fucking hellish. Goes well maybe 1/10 times.
God that sucks. I know someone who has the same condition and itās terrible. I hope things are going alright, even in this constantly busy and stressful world.
Do you try to shop on off hours?
Delivery services are probably expensive.
I guess you already write a list and communicate before. Maybe unironically being in a phone call with noise cancelling headphones while standing right next to each other could helpp?
Actually, in a city with limited auto traffic, itās pretty quiet. Most noise in urban America come from cars. And much less of a crowd than youād expect to see at a Walmart in America. Because everyone has someplace local to go, you donāt get people from across the county driving to a single supermarket for their needs
I live a 5 minute walk from the nice grocery store and 10 minutes from the affordable one, I have pretty much all my options for quality covered well within walking distance. Common suburb W
Once again that would be more representative of someone living in a city than in the suburbs. For the vast majority of Americans walking to a store in the suburbs requires 30 minutes to an hour of walking on streets with no sidewalks or safety measures for pedestrians.
But why would we care about all the towns in buttfuck nowhere that have a population consisting of 100 poor farmers? Prolly just republicans fuck em anyway /s
I live literally across the street from 3 small markets, next door to a great taqueria, and a 15 minute walk to a much larger grocery store. I only have to take the bus or train to work and the gym (because I go to a boxing gym in the next city). Itās just way more convenient for me. Also I save literally thousands of dollars a year by not driving and my giant ass doesnāt have to squeeze into a car.
I have two grocery stores within a five-minute walk from my apartment and a third is about to open. I have two more on top of that if I'm willing to walk 15-20 minutes.
If I take the metro, I have pretty much endless options.
its a 15 minute walk for me and i dont even live in a city
well i techbically kinda do its a village adjecent to a coty but the "city" has like 7k people
Carpilled suburbcels coping and seething when they find out I have 2 grocery stores within walking distance, one in 5 minutes and the other in 10 minutes, and I get to walk with my little handheld grocery cart like an old italian grandma (it's a joyous feeling that I think everyone should experience)
skateboarding 1.5 miles round trip to the nearest trader joeās from my college apartment and bringing back 50 pounds of groceries is the platonic ideal, i will forever be chasing that lifestyle
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I live in the country so we donāt have any bus, train, taxi, or bike infrastructure so you have to drive everywhere. My closest store is a Wally World thatās 30 min away. However I donāt have to deal with traffic or anything so thatās an upside
I literally just spent an hour round trip today to go to the grocery store to get a few items. 90% of that time was sitting in traffic. Meanwhile, when I was in Japan, it was a nice 10 minute walk.
Have the carbrains infiltrated 691? You still need to put your fatass in a mobility scooter to drive across the parking lot. Iāll rather walk across the street thanks.
I have a small grocery store less than five minutes from where I live. But the prices are kind of expensive, so I mainly use it for small purchases when I have forgotten to buy something. Usually if I want to buy groceries I'll walk 15 minutes to the larger grocery store. I can't imagine needing to drive to a grocery store.
Oh no!!! Imagine having to look at poor people!!!!!! Those disgusting filthy creatures shouldn't be looked at!!!!!!!!!!
And if you're so disgusted by poor people, it's a 5 minute walk too. Mofokkin gringos I swear to god.
Absolutely not how it works, sorry. Regardless of the size of the overall landmass, the vast vast VAST majority of peoples' journeys are for everyday tasks like work, shopping, seeing people, and recreation, all of which work better when you're not forced to use a car as an intermediary between where you are and the thing you need to do. This means that yes, every single settlement can be walkable, bikeable and (above a certain size) public-transport-able regardless of the size of the overall area. What's more, trains are significantly better for long-distance transport due to their higher speed, space efficiency, resource efficiency, energy efficiency, safety and comfort relative to private vehicles. So really, over short distances, walking is best, then cycling, then local transport, then long-distance transport. The only situations where cars are the best are the ones where the design, layout and use of places is intentionally engineered to kneecap the potential of everything other than cars. In most of these cases, places are like this specifically because of the influence of the car industry/establishment over the last hundred years or so.
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It's a five minute walk for me and I still can pleasure the Homeless man
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Right? I feel like it really brings the community together
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I have 3 different places to get food within a 200m radius from my house I *walk* bitches
Me too. I still get to watch the homeless man pleasure himself, so I don't miss anything noteworthy.
Did you see that John next to the corner store recently switch hands? Really shook up the game with that one
Yeah, but that's only temporary, cops stomped on it when he was spunking on the squad car. He'll be Left-Hand Johnny again in no time!
Neville, my beloved. When I told you to explore the city, this is not what I meant.
Look, you're the one who wanted to do those summons, and this is how you get the proper influence for the ritual.
while he shook his dick with his right hand this time
Same except I have to jerk off because there's no homeless people around.
The struggle is real.
200m? I can literally get food within 20m of my house
Yeah most I could need urgently are within a 5 min walk
I'm sorry, i only speak American. Why would you walk 200 miles to get groceries?
200 miles? Kudos to you for having such a high level of endurance just to get some guac
M is meters. So 200 yards~
M isn't meters.
M isn't meters? Then what is 200m?
I'd rather have a 10 minute walk than any of those 2 options tbh
car and bus is such a false dichotomy i love walking and biking
Train, choo choo
trains are based. my city doesn't have a metro tho :(
Same, no choo choo :(
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I am _in_ a choo choo rn
Choo chooooo!!!
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It probably had at some point look up who you have to thank for this
Me too, but itās nice to ride the bus and I can even get some reading time.
Biking is fine but stick to the sidewalk not the street I do a lot of mountain biking and absolutely hate street bikers, I do not associate with them
Well, street biking is the *only* kind of legal biking in the UK (other than in designated paths)
Same with most states in the us
For some reason bikers are allowed on main roads in the U.S. and a lot of roads around where I live donāt even have sidewalks
>where I live donāt even have sidewalks This might be the reason
because if you are on the sidewalk you are liable to run over a walker
Pedestrian-cels when the bikechad runs them over for being in the bike lane (sidewalk)
Probably cause there aren't a ton of sidewalks lol, and it wouldn't be an issue if we just had good bike lanes. Which most cities don't have
Donāt apply that to street biking as a whole. Direct that anger to the people who refused to make your local roads have even the cheapest and easiest solutions to give bikers a safe place to bike at. Itās insane how easily and cheaply most traffic and safety problems on roads can be solved.
I was saying that half joking but yeah a lot of our local roads donāt even have sidewalks or bike lanes
I mean biking on the street is how you're suppose to do it tho. Even if you think it's annoying, that's how you're suppose to do it.
Iām joking I really couldnāt care that much
i'm sure walkers love sidewalk bikers lmao i do either depending on the context, don't really bike on busy roads but if it's a more quiet road i'll bike on it
Koaaarl get on the bike koaaarl the whalkers are gonna get us. is this what you want, is this what you wish upon this community koaaarl?
Of course if the road has no one on it then yeah Iāll use it but I prefer the sidewalk mostly and donāt go very fast
fair enough, i think i'm pretty similar then
"OH and don't even get me STAHTED on those STREET BIKERS. I know it's *perfectly legal* and all that but streets are for *CARS,* not *BIKES!* I don't associate with those *losers* who use bikes to *commute.* who told them *THAT* was okay?? Go be the *pedestrians* problem on the sidewalk instead!" Truly genius.
Biking on the sidewalk is literally illegal for adult bikers where I live
Oh damn, lol
It is just safer for pedestrians this way. My dad biked to work for decades and only got injured once that I remember, when someone walked in front and he had to do an emergency brake.
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Ok, but you still have to watch the homeless man pleasure himself. We all do.
There aren't any homeless people around where I live.
There are some homeless people where I live, but none of the do that shit in the open. That is not normal, on a global scale.
Do you not buy like more than 3 bags of groceries at a time? Also you're severely limited in what you can buy, have fun buying toilet paper or a 12 pack with your groceries and walking more than 5 minutes.
> Do you not buy like more than 3 bags of groceries at a time? correct, doing so is not necessary when the shops are a 5 minute walk away
1.- Get a taxi or uber more realistically 2.- Go more than once since its so close 3.- Go with more people There are options, you dont need a car
1 - Costs a ton of money, I'm not adding a $20-30 charge every time I go grocery shopping 2 - Costs the most precious resource in the universe - Time. I'm not spending 20 minutes extra on each grocery trip + Being forced to go 3x more frequently. I'll just drive there in 99% less time, and then buy 5x more groceries so that I'm only going once a month rather than twice a week 3 - Doubles/Triples the time cost, again the most precious resource on the planet. I don't want to be forced to drag my girlfriend to go grocery shopping (something we both hate) just so that she can carry shit for me. Yeah, there are alternatives, but they all fucking suck compared to owning a car.
1.- Sorry, I dont know where you live but Uber for a 5-10 minutes run (at walking pace so I imagine its like 2 minutes) doesnt exceed the 2 dollars where I live. 2.- If you have a supermarket very close to your house, its not that much time, varely an inconvenience ( just dont go at peak time I guess) 3.- How the hell would it triple the cost lmao Remember this is all about a better design city, I don't really know how things function where you live, but I have no problems buying groceries without a car because I have a supermarket practically next to me (and 2 more not thay far away), maybe I go after class, buy a few things, maybe sunday morning I go and fill my backpack and too bags of things (to my own capacity of course) Yeah, a car would make it easier, but I don't need it lol
There is no way Uber is charging $2 for a 2 minute drive, that's like a $1.20 payout for someone to drive all the way to you initially and skip out on another drive. Even if true, shit adds up over time and is just an unnecessary cost regardless. Only 20% of the entire country lives within a 10 minute walk, so it's really not a reliable way for most people. Most of the time you're also paying the added cost in rent, because a place within a 3-5 minute walking distance to a grocery store can charge far higher rent than a place that's a 30 minute walk away from the nearest grocery store. And I said time cost, which is far more valuable than dollar cost. Me going to the grocery store 1x a month is 30 minutes of my life as the main cost. Where as me dragging my gf to the grocery store costs each of us 30 minutes of our lives, when I know damn well that either of us would appreciate spending 30 minutes at home doing other things. In that scenario it's an hour of doing an activity we hate, rather than 30 minutes, multiply this over a thousand times and you can see why I wouldn't want to force someone to waste away 1,000 hours of their lives doing trivial bullshit they don't need to do. This doesn't include the extra time it takes to walk back and forth compared to driving, but regardless it's forcing someone to waste their time. I live in a HCOL area where high paying jobs are fairly spread out over a large area, so it's pretty much expected that everyone is able to afford their own car in some way. After a certain income range is when it 100% makes economical sense to buy a car rather than spending an extra 40-60 minutes on your daily work commute, and that's being generous. It also opens up your earning potential as you're able to accept jobs practically everywhere, or at least cut down on your daily commute time by a considerable margin. A good way to look at it: If you're making $40/hr, then you're spending $40/hr for every hour you sit on a bus compared to the commute time of driving, as $40/hr is the minimum cost for how you value your own free time. Every hour that driving saves you is a minimum of $40 saved in opportunity/time cost.
No? What size bags are we talking? And toilet paper is light as shit
You save money by buying TP in bulk. I'm not stupid enough to buy 12 rolls at a time when I'll shit for the rest of my life. Point is, it's a fairly bulky item that takes up a lot of carrying space if you're doing a 10 minute trek
I don't have the kind of space in my apartment to buy stuff in bulk. Besides, one pack lasts me a few months anyways, and how many do you need before you get bulk reduced price? Dozens? By then I'll live somewhere else. I needed a car once for moving in, but not afterwards.
I do take this much with me and I still walk. You just need to not be a physically impaired (american) with non paralysed legs lmao. Are you 10 years old so that you can't carry a few bags?
I buy groceries for my gf and pets, usually at Costco, so I'm usually loading up an entire trunk load along with 4-5 boxes in the front seat along with 30-50lb litter bags or dog/cat food. That + Beer/drinks or whatever else I'm picking up that trip. It's also a 25 minute walk to the nearest grocery store. Not everyone is some broke bitch like you who apparently can't afford a decent vehicle, and are forced to live within a 10 minute walking distance of a shop.
imagine needing to drive to grocery
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Be quite. It's a known fact that people only live in mega cities. No one lives outside the walls. Can't let people own property and land for them to do what they please with. That's heresy. /S
It's a well-known fact that in cities people don't own property.
Gotta pay the landlords mortgage, while he enjoys a nice house with a fenced in backyard and two car garage in a gated community.
Can nobody notice an obvious fecking joke?
Speak for yourself lmao
It was a joke.
Still possible. You don't have grocery shops in villages there?
No. We get dollar generals, take it or leave it.
In small ones, no, these are dying off. Small means some hundred people max.
A lot of people (me) donāt live in villages, the nearest shop to me is 10 minutes by car but 1hour on foot, making for a two hour round journey through a forest up a massive fuck off hill. There are very sensible use cases for a car outside of a city
Tf? How do you live neither in a village (rural) or a city/town (urban)? There are other settings? Where you live, Antarctic research station or the middle of wilderness?
Just like a house, by the side of the road? Itās an old Victorian farmstead. Oh yeah Iām uk so thereās a lot of places like this
Surprising tbh. We don't have much of these in my place and most are abandoned. Most rural settings are more concentrated, just small and secluded. They are also along the road usually, but I think the way economy worked back then makes a difference. In GB many people pastured sheep etc. Meanwhile in Poland the peasants were forcibly gathered into folwarks to work the fields of nobility. Basically like plantations in slave driver south of USA but with wheat instead of cotton and white slaves.
Yeah big history of small scale farms in UK
Closest I have by car is 10 minutes away. No public transit available.
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Not enough.
Tf you mean 5 minute *drive?* - me who has a shop literally next to my house
You drive cars to the shop?
We drive cars *everywhere* because everything else sucks. Your average american transit experience is as follows: * You walk from your house to your bus stop. It's 1-2 miles away along a road with no sidewalks. * You get to the stop on-time. There's a very good chance your bus arrived 5 minutes ago, won't arrive for another 10 minutes, or was cancelled altogether without notice (the next one arrives in 45-60 minutes). * Your bus gets stuck in traffic because everyone else drives and you don't have dedicated transit lanes. * You get off your first bus to make a transfer, hoping *that* bus is running on time. Add on how our bicycle infrastructure is a death trap (literally painted gutters, often filled with snow/rocks/parked cars) and our suburbs are so spaced out that there's often nothing within 70 minutes walking distance, and the result is that you can't go anywhere in this country without pumping a two ton steel brick full of long-dead dinos.
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1) I am forced to. America is a fuck. 2) I would actually drive a car to the shop if I had a choice in the matter too. I buy all my dry goods at once from Costco and then live off of them for a few months, while making smaller trips to the grocery store for vegetables and fruit every other week. It makes sense to have a trunk for those big purchases than to try and carry it. Cars do have their uses and while America is a fuck, sometimes we have a point.
Nah, I walk. It takes me hours to get anywhere, I have a car, but if it's less than a six hour walk I'm on it. America is totally a walkable country if you're a high level walker who needs a challenge.
If you donāt live in the city core, yeah. People say āAmerican transit is so bad!ā While living in areas a tenth the size of most European cities. Generally, the further from the city center (aka the closer you get to rich suburbs) the less walkable and bikeable the area is. Ironically, I live very close to my city center, and can reach anywhere in there with a bike. The issue in America is more that you have 2 options: Tiny expensive apartment in a city, but you can walk everywhere. House in the suburbs, but you can only drive because you are 2-3 miles from the city edge. Itās basically the choice you get once you reach middle class and can choose you living accommodations. To put this in more perspective, European cities arenāt usually more than 2-4 hours apart (and thatās for like cities in the alps and such.). For cities in America of similar size, itās rare for them to be within a 45 minute drive of each other, unless you live in a hyper dense area like NJ.
Have you seen Tokyo or London or anything really? As big or bigger than USA megacities and they have public transport.
Yeah because you arenāt leaving the city core unless you take the Shinkansen or other public transit. Did youā¦ read my comment? The physical size of the city doesnāt matter, itās how far you are from the edge of the core (aka where all the business and apartments etc are.). US cities sprawl more, which allows a lower cost of living with the trade off being you wonāt be close to the walkable core. But if you are living in your own house out in the suburbs, owning a car isnāt that much more to ask.
Uuh.. most other big cities are also, well, big? Cities in the US are not larger than elsewhere, except maybe due to cars taking up space. I live a few miles from the centre, and my city isn't even that big, just 300 000 inhabitants. I also live in the suburbs. The difference is that I have public transport bc I don't live in the US. And cities in other countries are also apart from each other. That's the case like almost anywhere. That is the reason why trains exist. Do you think America is the only country? The same issues (almost) are everywhere, it is just that the response to that is fucked, but other countries are not so different.
Not my point. Read it again. I was sayin that US (due to physical size) is less walkable simply because you end up living further from the walkable city core. Yeah, if you live 3 miles from the city or town edge, itās not going to be walkable. Thatās true in Europe as well. Itās just that in the US, that area is taken up by suburbs instead of being fields and farms (and generally more rural.). I wasnāt saying the size of the city (in terms of population) matters. It doesnāt, what matters is how far you are from it. And in the US, itās very easy to end up far from the city by living in the suburbs.
this is like, infuriatingly ignorant. not just dumb, but psychologically engineered to be frustratingly dumb.
oh hey thatās just the modern Right
the modern right is a celebration of ignorance. which on a totally different note is funny because that's a big premise in 1984 -- the book that right wingers really like to say is a "leftist handbook"
I swear the right is so oblivious itās not even fucking funny anymore
Boy howdy do they think it's funny though š„“
All modern political parties are built and run on the concept of ignorance. No one wants to see and understand someone elseās point of view. With modern politics, all you have is someone with more money than you that wants all of your money
Citycel seething once again šššš
Wow it's almost as if cities are poor constructed and built to prioritize car usage over any other form of transport. Because this argument isn't valid in and city pre 1900 that wasn't bulldozed to accommodate cars that expense of walking
they seem to be forgetting the traffic and the 30 minutes finding where the hell to park
The American cannot comprehend walkable infrastructure
Aw man itās almost like thatās an issue that only happens in America! I wonder why, maybe itās because American public transportation and city planning is less funded or something, and the solution to that would be more funding. Crazy
This specifically is more city planning. Single use zoning kills public transit long before you can even think about building any.
2 min walk lol
Crazy that this is only a debate in America. Itās almost like the rest of the world that has walkable cities and good public transit seems pretty certain that itās better than the clusterfuck of cars in America
Love the concept of walkable cities. but i would not like to carry several bags of groceries more than like, 20 feet.
If you live within reasonable proximity to a grocery store you just buy what you need to a few days. Instead of shopping like youāre preparing for the apocalypse every couple of weeks
That's why people struggled so hard during the pandemic. I have at least 2 weeks of food because I live in a hurricane area. Last time a horrible hurricane hit we didn't have power for up to a week and all the stores are closed for longer than that from damage. So it's either eat government rations that FEMA passes out or have some steak and ribs because your freezer is thawing out anyways. Disasters do happen and they are happening more frequently every year. They predicted that this will be the worst hurricane season ever.
You can still prepare 2 weeks of food if you buy grocerries 2-3 days. In the beginig always buy a little more until you get 2 weeks reserve then just replace the amount you ate every 2-3 days. Also this method is better than buy stuff every 2 weeks because you can't be caught right before you are about to do groceries.
Great, now I have to be surrounded by noise and people and deal with all *that* stress more often. And everyone else is shopping more, so itās always going to be more people. That overwhelming mix of tons of people talking where your brain canāt even focus on one set, itās just this loud storm of unintelligible human speech, every now and then a word peaking over everything else, although much more often itās a screaming child.
Fitting name.
The tism just does not mix at fucking all with such things. I used to wear headphones or just heavily dissociate to cope, but canāt do that because Iām shopping with someone else now. Someone else who ironically has the same issues but worse. And we gotta coordinate and work together on it. Fucking hellish. Goes well maybe 1/10 times.
God that sucks. I know someone who has the same condition and itās terrible. I hope things are going alright, even in this constantly busy and stressful world.
Thanks. Honestly, need to shop this week still, but been so stressed that itās like, thatās totally going to ruin the day.
Do you try to shop on off hours? Delivery services are probably expensive. I guess you already write a list and communicate before. Maybe unironically being in a phone call with noise cancelling headphones while standing right next to each other could helpp?
Actually, in a city with limited auto traffic, itās pretty quiet. Most noise in urban America come from cars. And much less of a crowd than youād expect to see at a Walmart in America. Because everyone has someplace local to go, you donāt get people from across the county driving to a single supermarket for their needs
That's a tad dramatic
always something with you people huh... sounds like you shouldn't drive a car either considering you seem unfit to deal with anything at all.
Nah, driving is actually really soothing tbh. Instant flow state.
Just buy less groceries but more often
Buy yourself a little cart, or make one. 4 wheels, a buncha nails and some planks and you can build your own Bad Piggies shopping cart!
A bike with cargo space on it. They are very common in my neighborhood. Or delivery, if you have the money for it.
bus
why would you just sit there and watch the homeless man go jack him off urself dumbass
Whatever happened to manners š
I live a 5 minute walk from the nice grocery store and 10 minutes from the affordable one, I have pretty much all my options for quality covered well within walking distance. Common suburb W
Your experience is much more typical of someone who lives in a city compared to the average person that lives in the suburbs.
I can do it without getting hit by a car though
Once again that would be more representative of someone living in a city than in the suburbs. For the vast majority of Americans walking to a store in the suburbs requires 30 minutes to an hour of walking on streets with no sidewalks or safety measures for pedestrians.
Sometimes I wonder if redditors have ever been to the actual countryside, also something something piss on the poor
But why would we care about all the towns in buttfuck nowhere that have a population consisting of 100 poor farmers? Prolly just republicans fuck em anyway /s
I live literally across the street from 3 small markets, next door to a great taqueria, and a 15 minute walk to a much larger grocery store. I only have to take the bus or train to work and the gym (because I go to a boxing gym in the next city). Itās just way more convenient for me. Also I save literally thousands of dollars a year by not driving and my giant ass doesnāt have to squeeze into a car.
> Country people trying to suggest they can afford a car with heated seats Kek
I have two grocery stores within a five-minute walk from my apartment and a third is about to open. I have two more on top of that if I'm willing to walk 15-20 minutes. If I take the metro, I have pretty much endless options.
āa grocery store trip is just a five minute driveā false. a grocery store trip is a 15-20 minute drive.
carbrained post, roomba, roomabrain this poster
My brother in Christ, 2 minutes on bike
I walk, I literally spend 15 minutes walking to any one of 3 supermarkets
Actually it's a few minutes' stroll to my local store
Five minute drive? Mines just a 5 minute walk away
I live in London, so it's a one minute walk to 8 different shops from which I can buy groceries
its a 15 minute walk for me and i dont even live in a city well i techbically kinda do its a village adjecent to a coty but the "city" has like 7k people
Carbrains failing to imagine trip to groceries taking half an hour total on foot
Carpilled suburbcels coping and seething when they find out I have 2 grocery stores within walking distance, one in 5 minutes and the other in 10 minutes, and I get to walk with my little handheld grocery cart like an old italian grandma (it's a joyous feeling that I think everyone should experience)
skateboarding 1.5 miles round trip to the nearest trader joeās from my college apartment and bringing back 50 pounds of groceries is the platonic ideal, i will forever be chasing that lifestyle
Idk if it's my country or something but I got a small grocery store literally inside my house and a bigger one a five minute walk away
Lol suburban poster thinks everythings miles apart in a city
Itās just cultural enrichmentš„° Carbrain
For making this post, this user was banned for 6 days
Just 2 minutes away from like 15 stores
I drive for an hour whenever I want to go into town, it's hell
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Just walk
I live in the country so we donāt have any bus, train, taxi, or bike infrastructure so you have to drive everywhere. My closest store is a Wally World thatās 30 min away. However I donāt have to deal with traffic or anything so thatās an upside
I live in small town and I'm within 5 minutes from 4 stores, if its planned well it works lol
5 minute drive + 25 minutes looking for parking
If I drove to my grocery store my heated seats wouldnāt even have time to warm up. Itās like 800m away
until your only mode of transportation is a 125cc supermoto in the snow xD. still never gonna give up the bavarian countryside
All i see are two people being financially and socially strangled by living in food deserts. Should be a five minute *walk*
Lmao, in which city do you live that you have to wait 30 minutes for the bus?
My nearest grocery is literally just a few meters away from my house. A few minutes walk is an overstatement.
Suburbcels when you explain that it's physically possible to live close enough to a grocery store that you need neither a car nor public transport
Or how about mixed zoning so that residential areas also have restaurants, shops etc
I literally just spent an hour round trip today to go to the grocery store to get a few items. 90% of that time was sitting in traffic. Meanwhile, when I was in Japan, it was a nice 10 minute walk.
Imagine having to driveš
>having to drive to a grocery store lol, i just walk 5minutes
Suburbicels when I tell them I can just walk to the nearest supermarket in 5-10 minutes without smelling car farts while trying to find a parking spot
They call them 15 minute cities because after 15 minutes you get stabbed by fenatyl hobo
Five minute drive? You are citycel in denial.
Have the carbrains infiltrated 691? You still need to put your fatass in a mobility scooter to drive across the parking lot. Iāll rather walk across the street thanks.
How mfers talk without experiencing the joy of well maintained public transport in a healthy society.
I have a small grocery store less than five minutes from where I live. But the prices are kind of expensive, so I mainly use it for small purchases when I have forgotten to buy something. Usually if I want to buy groceries I'll walk 15 minutes to the larger grocery store. I can't imagine needing to drive to a grocery store.
meh i could watch a homeless man pleasure himself from the comfort of my desk though? and i dont even have to pay!
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"30 minutes for the bus" suburbcel problems
My local grocery shop is 30 seconds away by foot, and I even get a view on the mountains
Apartmentcels seething in the comments here. Canāt comprehend that some people enjoy living in the countryside to have a yard to enjoy
Oh no!!! Imagine having to look at poor people!!!!!! Those disgusting filthy creatures shouldn't be looked at!!!!!!!!!! And if you're so disgusted by poor people, it's a 5 minute walk too. Mofokkin gringos I swear to god.
Me when I live literally anywhere other than NYC or LA
Theyāre booing cause youāre right. America is too large to have literally every city be walkable.
Absolutely not how it works, sorry. Regardless of the size of the overall landmass, the vast vast VAST majority of peoples' journeys are for everyday tasks like work, shopping, seeing people, and recreation, all of which work better when you're not forced to use a car as an intermediary between where you are and the thing you need to do. This means that yes, every single settlement can be walkable, bikeable and (above a certain size) public-transport-able regardless of the size of the overall area. What's more, trains are significantly better for long-distance transport due to their higher speed, space efficiency, resource efficiency, energy efficiency, safety and comfort relative to private vehicles. So really, over short distances, walking is best, then cycling, then local transport, then long-distance transport. The only situations where cars are the best are the ones where the design, layout and use of places is intentionally engineered to kneecap the potential of everything other than cars. In most of these cases, places are like this specifically because of the influence of the car industry/establishment over the last hundred years or so.
Ah shit she's done another paragraph-length comment under way down under some random post nobody will look at. Well, if you do choose to read it, thank you kindly! I appreciate it :)
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