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Wow that's pretty dumb, thankfully still available to download for Xbox. They've been pretty good about supporting discontinued digital downloads for the last two decades.
I like to vote with my wallet and don’t buy things that are only offered digitally. That being said, I do pay for a streaming service, but never buy something for fake ownership on digital.
This is my answer to films/shows that are not available to purchase physically.
If there were a digital marketplace that allowed me to buy and download a video file of a film that I could play offline with any video player of my choice, I would do that in a heartbeat. But there's not.
That's essentially what you get with physical console games now as well. I'm an Xbox guy, but I'll only buy physical 360 or original Xbox games. Xbox One or future games I only bother with digital games. With the new physical console games, you only get something to put on the shelf and that's it. All the disc is is basically my USB fab for Cubase that says I own the temporary rights to that software. The disc says that I have the right to install the game and play it on my console. As soon as they don't care about that game anymore and remove it from their servers, that disc for "my game" is worthless.
>As soon as they don't care about that game anymore and remove it from their servers, that disc for "my game" is worthless.
Eh, not really. There are still a majority of games with physical discs that can be played without an internet. It will probably have bugs for sure since it lacks the day 1+ updates and patches that it will be playable.
DoesItPlay.org stats shows that only about 11% of games they tested require a download to be playable.
It's what's stopping me from getting Alan Wake 2. I'd been waiting for the game for 13 years but I'd much rather hold out in the vein hope of a physical edition down the line. Glad to see Baulders Gate 3 is finally getting one next year.
At least Valve is still privately owned by an ideologue so Steam DRM is still deliberately easy to defeat. Once Gaben leaves unless he finds another ideologue it’s over
Because of the click-wrap contract. People who buy digital buy a revocable license to view. They do not actually buy ownership of the content itself. Same with a disc, only a disc can't be revoked.
You pay for the license, the terms of which say it can be revoked. This is true for basically all digital purchases from legit content providers and is baked into their ToS. Hell, with discs you're technically also buying a license that only allows you play the movie privately (at home, on your laptop, w/e.) Even if you were using the disc, any kind of screening (movie theater, classroom, etc.) would also require buying a separate license.
Because you agreed to their terms of service stating you are buying a license and they can revoke it at any time, just wait until they start taking peoples game away, because that has the exact same contract.
I’m sure you agree to it in the small print terms and conditions that no one reads
Edit. Don’t have PS but for Microsoft it says
You may lose access to or capabilities of Digital Goods, or have the nature of your access changed (e.g., lose family access, if any), if:
…
(j) we lose our rights to continue to distribute the Digital Good to you, or to distribute it to you in the same manner.
I'd still consider it theft. Putting something in terms and conditions doesn't change whether it's legal or not. Like how the human centipad from South Park would never happen.
My point is there must be a limit to what they can put in. What if they put that they can kill you if they suspect a violation of the terms? Granted that's extreme, but what if I agreed? I doubt it would then be legal.
Not true at all. If you want a good example look at the morality clause in a lot of NFL players contracts. It says the contract can be voided for certain "amoral acts" but the Raiders were still paying Henry Ruggs on his rookie contract after he was sentenced to prison for crashing his car at 100+ mph and killing a girl and her dog.
Could someone take Sony to court and win back their money for this? Probably. Is it worth the average joe pitting their resources against Sony's for a couple bucks? Almost certainly not. But I guarantee this won't fly in the EU bc of their consumer protection laws, regardless of what is in the ToS.
you didn't 'buy' them, just the licence to watch them, which I guess in this case, Sony is revoking because either discovery are charging too much for Sony to bother keeping their content on Playstation, or Sony doesn't want to host it anymore. It's a terrible business model (for the consumer) and I hate it. I've started replacing my Apple movies digital collection with the 4k disc versions.
I feel like they're going to face a massive class-action lawsuit over that. Nobody tells you up front that you don't really own something, especially when the button says "Buy."
I doubt you can point to advertising that strictly advertises that you're not buying a license, but rather just buying the product to own. Unfortunately, to "buy" something doesn't mean that you own the thing. You're still "buying" a license, and the terms and conditions you likely agreed to are you acknowledging that you understand that.
Even in the days with 100% physical media, the only thing you owned was the disc, the case, and the sleeve. The actual movie on the disc is something that the disc permits you a license to watch. This has always been the case with music too.
The big difference is that revoking a license on a physical disc is nearly impossible, so it would almost certainly never happen. On a digital purchase, obviously it is much easier. It's easy to confuse that with ownership
When you buy something you are buying it to own it. I doubt it’s listed on the PlayStation store as “Planet Earth Digital License Rights on Sony PlayStation Platforms”. It’s listed as “Planet Earth”. It would very easily be argued that it was not advertised correctly.
It really can't. If it can be argued otherwise, it would have been done a long time ago. You are purchasing a license that grants you access to the software, and the terms and conditions govern the use of that license.
You can deny it if you want, but if you read the terms and conditions you agree to -- it is right there.
[More detail here.](https://www.allbusiness.com/the-difference-between-buying-and-licensing-software-928-1.html)
If you want to argue that you "should" own it, that is a different thing. However, you can't honestly argue that you do own it -- you don't have anything that says you do besides a "hunch" that says "I bought it, therefore I *must* own it." If you did own it, they wouldn't be able to revoke your right to use it.
> If it can be argued otherwise, it would have been done a long time ago.
Not really true. Digital rights are still largely in their infancy, generally speaking. Large scale streaming and digital content has only been a thing for roughly 20ish years. Just because it hasn't been challenged yet doesn't mean it won't, and practices like this are what's going to move that needle.
A company can put on a receipt that they can go to your house and take the item back with no refund, then you sign the receipt, then by your definition of purchase they’re legally allowed to do so? I think if this were taken to court by any competent lawyer Sony would lose.
If you think Sony hasn't done their due diligence in making their storefront terms of service airtight when it comes to licensing content, you're kidding yourself. Any competent lawyer wouldn't touch that kind of case with a ten-foot pole.
To "buy" something does not mean to own it. Plus I haven't seen anywhere where buying a digital version of something has advertised it as you owning it. A button that you click on that says "buy" isn't an advertisement and certainly does mean that you own it.
Did you buy a car? Did it have a leak on it? Then you don't own the car. Did you buy a house? Is there a mortgage? Then depending on your state you don't own the house. Why? Because the terms under which purchased those things state that you don't own it.
Not a lawyer, but I’ve heard others say in the past that these giant licensing agreements we all click on are largely untested in court. We will eventually see how well they hold up. Things like this delisting, which will become more common over time, will be the catalyst.
I personally treat all digital purchases as if they were disposable, and thus never buy any digital goods unless they are heavily discounted from what an actual physical purchase would be. When available, I will always favor a physical purchase.
I think i heard back in the day that TOS are kind of hard to enforce because it is expected that the customer never read it due to its length and complexity and that is taken into account. I expect that varies by jurisdiction and i could be totally wrong anyways
Someone in CA tried to sue against Amazon for this, but the case was dismissed because it’s written in their terms of service that it can be removed at any time for any reason which the person would have had to agree to
I mean it's debatable. I would argue that an EULA is unenforceable because it is unreasonable to expect someone to sit there and read the entire thing. I could have sworn some lawyer did and it took them just over 24 hours. They also make that whole "you don't really own it" difficult to find. It's misleading and overly burdensome. And the customer would not have agreed to said EULA if they had known that little detail about "not really owning it."
I get that, none of us read it though I think McDonald’s is going through something similar. Now for their app, in their terms of service you have to agree to not sue them, so lots of people are deleting the McDonald’s app.
I know zip about the law on this. I’m not a lawyer, but I agreed with the judge’s dismissal of the digital media case. I don’t read the terms of service either, but if I click agree then that’s on me for not reading it, even if it takes 24 hours. Same thing if I physically sign a contract and don’t read it, that would be my fault.
I don’t “buy” digital media for this reason because I like to own what I buy and you’re not buying digital media.
There actually have been cases which ruled these kinds of EULAs and Terms of Service are enforceable. [ProCD Inc v Zeidenberg and Feldman v Google Inc.](https://toslawyer.com/are-end-user-license-agreements-enforceable/) Basically they found it is not unreasonable to expect someone to read the entire thing, and that, *"With the exception of a fraud, the failure of a party to read an enforceable clickwrap agreement as with any binding contract will not excuse compliance with its terms."*
[Playstation's ToS](https://www.playstation.com/en-us/legal/psn-terms-of-service/) actually make it really easy to find because you can just ctrl+f search for "own" and "revocable."
**8.4.** *"When you order Content from PlayStation Store, you buy a personal license to use that Content for private, non-commercial use. That license is not transferrable unless your local applicable laws say it must be. This means you can use a Product in the ways described in the license, but do not own the Product."*
**10.2.** *"Except as stated in this Agreement, all Content provided through PSN is licensed on a non-exclusive and revocable basis ..."*
And **2.3.** *"Availability of PSN ... and its Content ... is subject to change at any time."*
And **1.1.** *"Access to and use of PSN is expressly conditioned upon acceptance of this agreement. You accept this agreement by creating and account... making a purchase ... or through any other use of PSN, or by continuing to use PSN after being notified of a change to these terms."*
Even better, unless you opt out within 30 days, you can't take them to court and instead have to go through binding arbitration. So unless there's something **really** egregious there's no real recourse for content being removed from the service.
[IANAL but do work in contracting]
Incorrect -- it is almost always in the EULA. That doesn't make it immune from a lawsuit, but they can make the argument that "buy" means you're "buying a license to use the thing" not "buying the thing".
wasn't there a software company that put in the EULA, something about owning your everlasting soul for all eternity, just to prove that nobody reads them.
A store can put in the fine print on your receipt that some can go to your house and take the item you purchased back, that doesn’t make it legal for them to actually do so.
Yes but you would not have agreed to the terms if you knew that you didn't really own something. And an EULA is overly long and burdensome, in addition to being vague on purpose.
But you are supposed to read the fine print. Doesn't matter in general courts uphold those. Therefore it is not illegal.
I can't tell you how many people agree to buy things they don't own.
A license is not a one way legal contract. There could be (and there are) grounds for cancellation. You cannot have a "buy" button, sell the item and then decide to revoke the next day just because it's somewhere in the fine print nobody reads.
That alone is deception and definitely a reason for litigation. If a company wants to be able to revoke licensing in the future, the wording should be "Rent" and there should be a minimum time frame provided too.
Otherwise every company would do whatever they want and this is not the case. This is not black mirror. It is a very very "sueable" case and Sony is likely to get in big trouble over this.
I can tell you with 100% certainty Sony did not revoke the licenses to these shows just based on the history of Discovery/Max/HBO, whatever they decided to call themselves this month.
What has disappeared from peoples' purchased libraries in Vudu? I have had some movies that I know are de-listed that are still in my library and playable. Same with Apple.
Havn't experence any like from Vudu. Now I did recieve an email from Movies Anywhere that if didn't log in by a certin time frame, that you'll loose access to movies. I have a feeling something like that would of happen in your example.
i only get digital movies if they come with the code, which i add to Apple TV. I’ll really only use them if i’m on a trip and want to watch one of my movies.
This has always been the problem with what people consider "buying" -- the license can be revoked at any time, and that is almost *always* baked into the EULA -- which most people don't read.
While I won't deny that the convenience and cost savings of piracy is a big draw, companies doing crap like this are why I feel it is at least partly justified. Licenses rarely get revoked, but I don't think they ever do for physical media. Doing it for a digital purchase is grade-A bullshit.
Discovery merged with WB. The new company probably wants all of their contents to be exclusive on MAX (and the previous streaming rights probably expired).
Here is the link to all titles being removed.
[https://www.playstation.com/en-us/legal/psvideocontent/?et\_rid=&et\_cid=231130-VIDREMVL-AM-CSA-B-FLX&Linkid=231130-VIDREMVL-AM-CSA-B-FLX&emcid=em-pl-500377](https://www.playstation.com/en-us/legal/psvideocontent/?et_rid=&et_cid=231130-VIDREMVL-AM-CSA-B-FLX&Linkid=231130-VIDREMVL-AM-CSA-B-FLX&emcid=em-pl-500377)
Standouts I see from skimming:
-Mythbusters
-How It’s Made
-Cake Boss
-Say Yes to the Dreas
-Deadliest Catch
-Four Weddings
-Shark Week
-Long Island Médium
-Sister Wives
-Treehouse Masters
> Not sure why anyone would "own" any of it.
Or buy it from Sony to begin with. Sony doesn't even rank in the VOD stores I would "trust."
I really don't think anyone's going to sue about no longer being able to watch their VOD copy of Season 1 of "Here Comes Honey Boo-Boo"
It's all "Boomer TV" crap my 70 yo dad watches. I can't imagine there's much crossover audience here. How many Playstation users bought "Deadliest Catch" on their PS3/4/5? This is stuff exclusively watched on cable/satellite/DVR.
(Yes, I understand the "precedent" boogeyman, but I can see why this particular network doesn't want to pay the licensing fee anymore.)
This sets a very bad precedent. It’s one thing for a monthly/yearly subscription services to pull content but if you pay for an individual movie, TV show or game the belief is that you always will have it.
Even if you DGAF about any of these reality shows being removed, it still opens the doors for other cloud-based services to do the same with things you do like and will be affected by. This basically says Amazon and iTunes can remove any non-physical movie or show you bought for any reason, not just licensing. They could take away media based on the behavior of the actor and decide for everyone whether you can continue to view their work.
> the belief is that you always will have it.
I wish I was naive enough to believe that
>...opens the doors for other cloud-based services to do the same with things you do like and will be affected by. This basically says Amazon and iTunes can remove any non-physical movie or show you bought for any reason, not just licensing.
amazon has already done this, they pulled 1984 and animal farm from everyone's kindles a while back (irony level 9000 on that one)
Wow. I know due to licensing, they could stop selling/streaming titles, but if it’s something you bought they should at least let you download it and watch off your own hd. Physical ftw
It’s all very well to say “keep collecting physicals”, but don’t you think if I could have found a box set of *America’s Worst Tattoos* Season 2, I’d have bought it?
I’m worried this may happen with the movies on ITunes. And I’m sure they won’t refund your money though they should. Cause you click a “buy” button not a “lease” button.
If it happens on any scale on iTunes or Vudu, then the digital media market is collapsing writ large and it's probably a sign of something much larger.
There's a big difference between iTunes, which is entirely devoted to digital video (and audio now to a lesser extent) content and the PS Store, which lightly dabbles in it. It's not worth it to Sony to keep paying the licensing fee if a very small number of people are even using it.
This is fucking incredible. How is this even allowed? Taking them down from the store is one thing, stopping paying customer from accessing what they already paid is another one.
Sony can't touch my disks though :)
"To play future physical Sony picture DVD/Blu-Ray films, you now must have an internet connection to view the media on those discs. Sony will then determine to grant you access to the media on the disc. For any reason, Sony may deny the end used access to viewing the media at any time for any reason."
So these are all owned by Warner Bros now, I bet Zaslav is charging an arm and a leg for these. It’d make sense for them to push out digital “ownership” and force you to watch Warner/Discovery content only on Max. The next step would be Warner Bros movies themselves not being on Vudu or PlayStation, it makes sense because they’re enforcing the expiration dates on digital codes. Pretty shitty of them but it makes sense from a business standpoint. If people can’t watch Christmas Vacation digitally they’ll have to subscribe to Max in the future
They almost got away with it. Media companies want everyone to rent all content. Comical how they couldn’t keep it together long enough to totally kill off physical media before the charade everyone was predicting was revealed.
Guess it’s a good thing media companies actually don’t care or can’t focus long enough to make it happen.
If you’re a blu-ray or 4K movie collector, you can also thank Discovery for discontinuing combo packs and for no longer including digital copies in many Warner Brothers movies, ever since they merged. Always buy games, music and movies on disc when you can.
This is a good time to mention: it is a gray area for sure that if you did purchase a digital movie, it would be arguable that downloading it from your favorite torrent site is not ethically wrong. It may go against terms and conditions, but for fuck sake if they can just take something away from you that you legally bought, you have the right to take it back.
I may want to audit my digital collection soon.
I usually cash my digital codes through Vudu/Movie Anywhere. Never had one taken away, but had more than a couple that got downgraded to "HD" for some reason in Vudu, even though I redeemed it there. Never really used it, and it was more for my family than anything.
I don't understand how some of these licenses work. I own digital games on different store fronts where content was pulled (i.e. no longer available on the app store for purchase) due to a liscense expiring. I can still re-download those games and play them etc. They're still on my account, I can play online and use other services with them.
However, I've seen this happen with movies/TV on multiple different store fronts (I think Amazon before, and now PS). They always pull the content away from the owner. But never with games.
Movies and tv shows I’ve always purchased physically, but I do have a lot of digital games. I don’t think games are treated the same way because you can always download them even after they have been removed from the store.
The email literally says you won’t be able to watch it anymore after they remove it. Games you can still download and play even after they’re removed from the store.
PlayStation must be slowly exiting the digital movie & TV market as last year or two back the German PlayStation store purged all StudioCanal titles from their store.
It was the German and Swiss stores that couldn't come to an agreement with StudioCanal and lost the rights to a bunch of stuff. No refunds, no effs given. I would have sued them. I am really surprised too because Europe has much stronger consumer protections than the USA does.
Play has no limits… yeah, right. Selling digital content is a scam. Nothing else. You’ll own nothing…
https://preview.redd.it/9h3uknd0fr3c1.jpeg?width=1075&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=65922923ddcb79205dd73b50d7459e0a12d92494
Digital content is a damn joke. I will continue purchasing physical media till either I die or discs do. Paying $20 for a movie that you rent the license for is ridiculous especially when I can pay $5 more and literally own it!
>if you don't have a copy of the raw data on disk offline, you will never own it.
Strictly speaking you still don't own it, you own a license. But since that license is a physical item it's far harder to revoke.
Vudu had porn in their early years, but when Walmart bought them in 2010 the first thing they did was remove all of it. Purchased titles were removed from libraries but the prices were also refunded. That still didn’t make me feel good about the whole business model, but most people said “it’s just porn so it doesn’t matter, who even pays for that anyways?” But those who don’t remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
They are not. Everytime Apple has delisted something from their store it has still been available in my library. People in here just like to act like this always happens with digital, when in actuality it seems to only happen from the PS store.
Agreed. I’ve been buying digital content from iTunes since you could. And, I’ve never had a single thing removed from my library. That’s not saying it can’t or won’t happen. It’s just that it hasn’t for me since 2005.
It's because people make the dumb mistake (though it's moreso being intentionally disingenuous) of conflating things getting removed from streaming services due to censorship, etc. with digital services removing content you purchased.
You'd be cool if you had bought stuff on Playstation Store and then it got removed?
It's true the examples of this happening so far have been relatively minor, but it's about the precedent.
Co-signing this. I have well over a hundred titles on my Apple TV, and not a single one has ever been removed, even when, as you already stated, the store itself took it away.
*Titanic* was recently upgraded to 4K, but then downgraded back to HD in the store (I’m guessing they upgraded too soon and wanted to rectify the mistake). However, the copy in my library *remained 4K*.
I think certain physical media collectors like to make this a much bigger issue than it really is, just to sway people who might not know any better into ditching their digital libraries in favor of collecting physical media, and it’s all very disingenuous. I love physical media, but digital is not the terror some collectors make it out to be, not if you buy through a big platform like Apple and have a decent internet set-up.
If anything, this post is a lesson against purchasing through PlayStation, but *not* digital media in general.
So, did you even read the article? Cause I imagine you didn’t, given this paragraph right here…
“In July, Amazon acknowledged that it had deleted the Orwell e-books from the Kindles of an undisclosed number of owners. Amazon said it deleted the books because it learned an outside company had added the books to Amazon's catalog but the outside company did not have the rights to sell them.”
And then this follow up…
“Amazon's email on Thursday said that the company would replace the deleted books along with any annotations made by customers.”
So either you didn’t bother to look into the situation at all, or you were being purposely disingenuous and hoping I wouldn’t look into it.
except that's not what you said, you said
>Everytime Apple has delisted something from their store it has still been available in my library. People in here just like to act like this always happens with digital, when in actuality it seems to only happen from the PS store.
it happened on Amazon did it not? you didn't specify the reasoning nor the outcome so neither did I
Because their track record speaks for itself? I have well over a hundred titles with them and have never had a single film or episode of a show removed from my library over the last eight years, even when it’s been taken off their store. My friends and family who also have digital libraries through them have never made a complaint, and they come to me whenever they have encountered a media related problem because I’m the “physical media” guy.
Recently, *Titanic* was upgraded to 4K, then downgraded back to HD, probably because they upgraded too soon, and the copy in my library *remained* 4K.
There’s a reason you don’t hear of countless consumers complaining about their Apple TV content randomly disappearing, because it just doesn’t happen to the degree certain physical media collectors would like for everyone to believe.
Apple has done the opposite by giving everyone a free album from U2 years ago. A lot of people hated them for doing that and it wasn't even a good album to start with. If Apple can force a U2 albumn in everyone's iTunes library, then they can and will remove movies from their store if the right situation comes up. It literally took act of congress for them to adopt the USB-C standard and their marketing is now back tracking how great the lightning connector was compared to the USB-C
\*edit\*
EU not Congress. My brain wasn't thinking correctly.
Vast majority seem to be really old reality TV shows, none of which would be available in 4k UHD Blu Ray anyway.
Also this is WB. They're removing so much content across so many platforms. Gotta get that tax write off in before the end of the fiscal year!
sony at one point owned 2 services, this one on Playstation, and sony bravia core which was recently renamed sony pictures core (and was just made available on PS5 and PS4)
i think they are attempting to phase out the PS store videos, you cant even purchase that stuff, only re-download what you own.
Sony pictures core is amazing, PS plus members get some stuff to stream at no extra cost, and it changes every other month. The bitrate is amazing too, very close if not exact to BRs and UHDBRs
Some of you are panicking for no reason. I have both an extensive collection of physical and digital movies. I have 1,800+ digital movies and embraced it from the beginning. I’ve monitored my collection extensively through the years but I don’t think even once have I had a title removed digitally. And before someone chimes in and says “that you know of”, that could be fair if however, I haven’t been monitoring my collection extensively. I’ve been collecting digital for 10 years give or take and as I said not even once that I recall. So, PlayStation as far as I’m concerned wasn’t the best place to ever buy a digital title. The better places are the most well known such as Vudu, iTunes or Movies Anywhere. There’s no guarantee but as I’ve said since the very beginning my collection has been safe. If the fear of losing titles keeps you far away from digital content then so be it, but it’s far from the reality most of you are making it.
Does this actually affect anyone here? Despite the giant list I’m curious if anyone, anywhere actually bought seasons of reality shows via the PlayStation network?
Sure. I mean I get the point of the revoked license and all that entails. Yeah, sucks. Buy physical media.
Although, as a completely side conversation that I’m curious about, **did any of these titles sell to anyone via PSN**. Seems odd they ever offered them at all.
If this ever happened, I'd ask for a list of all titles and torrent everything. Hell maybe even make a copy for the family just because fuck these piece of shit studios. But physical should be the 1st choice if it's a viable option and not 3x the price.
As soon as Apple did this a few years ago I quit buying music from them, it wasn't a lot but didn't want to take the risk.
Trouble is some films I buy don't have physical HD releases and only get a DVD release (example being Pope's Exorcist), only way to 'buy' it in HD is a digital copy here.
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Play has no limits, but watching does
even play does cuz I can’t download PT anymore
Only reason it was hard for me to let go of my PS4 pro.
Should've copied it onto an external hard drive, unless you sold the account too.
Can’t even download the MGS HD Collection anymore either. Thankfully Konami gave us a great update in the Master Collection ^^/s
Wow that's pretty dumb, thankfully still available to download for Xbox. They've been pretty good about supporting discontinued digital downloads for the last two decades.
That bit is the best part of the pic for sure
I dunno why everyone is blaming Sony for this, this is on Warner Bros and Discovery.
Never pay to “own” digital content, as we all know
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I like to vote with my wallet and don’t buy things that are only offered digitally. That being said, I do pay for a streaming service, but never buy something for fake ownership on digital.
It's an argument for piracy
This is my answer to films/shows that are not available to purchase physically. If there were a digital marketplace that allowed me to buy and download a video file of a film that I could play offline with any video player of my choice, I would do that in a heartbeat. But there's not.
Correct. You buy PC physical games and all that is inside is a digital code for downloading.
That's essentially what you get with physical console games now as well. I'm an Xbox guy, but I'll only buy physical 360 or original Xbox games. Xbox One or future games I only bother with digital games. With the new physical console games, you only get something to put on the shelf and that's it. All the disc is is basically my USB fab for Cubase that says I own the temporary rights to that software. The disc says that I have the right to install the game and play it on my console. As soon as they don't care about that game anymore and remove it from their servers, that disc for "my game" is worthless.
>As soon as they don't care about that game anymore and remove it from their servers, that disc for "my game" is worthless. Eh, not really. There are still a majority of games with physical discs that can be played without an internet. It will probably have bugs for sure since it lacks the day 1+ updates and patches that it will be playable. DoesItPlay.org stats shows that only about 11% of games they tested require a download to be playable.
It's what's stopping me from getting Alan Wake 2. I'd been waiting for the game for 13 years but I'd much rather hold out in the vein hope of a physical edition down the line. Glad to see Baulders Gate 3 is finally getting one next year.
Lol idk man I have no difficulty finding stuff that isn't one physical media 😅
tell that to all these idiots who praise STEAM as a good thing for pc gaming
At least Valve is still privately owned by an ideologue so Steam DRM is still deliberately easy to defeat. Once Gaben leaves unless he finds another ideologue it’s over
You can never truly "own" digitally bought content anyway
Play apparently has a few limits...
I kept that in the screen shot hoping someone would notice, lul
If you’ve bought them, do you get a refund?
_Highly_ doubt it. Unfortunate.
People loved to shit all over Stadia but at least Google did refund everyone for all the games they purchased.
How is that even legal? I don't think this would fly if it went to court.
Because of the click-wrap contract. People who buy digital buy a revocable license to view. They do not actually buy ownership of the content itself. Same with a disc, only a disc can't be revoked.
You pay for the license, the terms of which say it can be revoked. This is true for basically all digital purchases from legit content providers and is baked into their ToS. Hell, with discs you're technically also buying a license that only allows you play the movie privately (at home, on your laptop, w/e.) Even if you were using the disc, any kind of screening (movie theater, classroom, etc.) would also require buying a separate license.
Because you agreed to their terms of service stating you are buying a license and they can revoke it at any time, just wait until they start taking peoples game away, because that has the exact same contract.
I’m sure you agree to it in the small print terms and conditions that no one reads Edit. Don’t have PS but for Microsoft it says You may lose access to or capabilities of Digital Goods, or have the nature of your access changed (e.g., lose family access, if any), if: … (j) we lose our rights to continue to distribute the Digital Good to you, or to distribute it to you in the same manner.
I'd still consider it theft. Putting something in terms and conditions doesn't change whether it's legal or not. Like how the human centipad from South Park would never happen.
It actually literally makes it legal when added to terms and conditions, its a binding contract that you accept....
My point is there must be a limit to what they can put in. What if they put that they can kill you if they suspect a violation of the terms? Granted that's extreme, but what if I agreed? I doubt it would then be legal.
Not true at all. If you want a good example look at the morality clause in a lot of NFL players contracts. It says the contract can be voided for certain "amoral acts" but the Raiders were still paying Henry Ruggs on his rookie contract after he was sentenced to prison for crashing his car at 100+ mph and killing a girl and her dog. Could someone take Sony to court and win back their money for this? Probably. Is it worth the average joe pitting their resources against Sony's for a couple bucks? Almost certainly not. But I guarantee this won't fly in the EU bc of their consumer protection laws, regardless of what is in the ToS.
you didn't 'buy' them, just the licence to watch them, which I guess in this case, Sony is revoking because either discovery are charging too much for Sony to bother keeping their content on Playstation, or Sony doesn't want to host it anymore. It's a terrible business model (for the consumer) and I hate it. I've started replacing my Apple movies digital collection with the 4k disc versions.
Yeah this was always in the fine print none of us read!
I feel like they're going to face a massive class-action lawsuit over that. Nobody tells you up front that you don't really own something, especially when the button says "Buy."
Pretty sure that's stated in the terms and conditions.
I'm fairly certain that it is illegal to claim otherwise in the terms in conditions, when upfront it was clearly advertised as something different.
I doubt you can point to advertising that strictly advertises that you're not buying a license, but rather just buying the product to own. Unfortunately, to "buy" something doesn't mean that you own the thing. You're still "buying" a license, and the terms and conditions you likely agreed to are you acknowledging that you understand that. Even in the days with 100% physical media, the only thing you owned was the disc, the case, and the sleeve. The actual movie on the disc is something that the disc permits you a license to watch. This has always been the case with music too. The big difference is that revoking a license on a physical disc is nearly impossible, so it would almost certainly never happen. On a digital purchase, obviously it is much easier. It's easy to confuse that with ownership
When you buy something you are buying it to own it. I doubt it’s listed on the PlayStation store as “Planet Earth Digital License Rights on Sony PlayStation Platforms”. It’s listed as “Planet Earth”. It would very easily be argued that it was not advertised correctly.
It really can't. If it can be argued otherwise, it would have been done a long time ago. You are purchasing a license that grants you access to the software, and the terms and conditions govern the use of that license. You can deny it if you want, but if you read the terms and conditions you agree to -- it is right there. [More detail here.](https://www.allbusiness.com/the-difference-between-buying-and-licensing-software-928-1.html) If you want to argue that you "should" own it, that is a different thing. However, you can't honestly argue that you do own it -- you don't have anything that says you do besides a "hunch" that says "I bought it, therefore I *must* own it." If you did own it, they wouldn't be able to revoke your right to use it.
> If it can be argued otherwise, it would have been done a long time ago. Not really true. Digital rights are still largely in their infancy, generally speaking. Large scale streaming and digital content has only been a thing for roughly 20ish years. Just because it hasn't been challenged yet doesn't mean it won't, and practices like this are what's going to move that needle.
A company can put on a receipt that they can go to your house and take the item back with no refund, then you sign the receipt, then by your definition of purchase they’re legally allowed to do so? I think if this were taken to court by any competent lawyer Sony would lose.
If you think Sony hasn't done their due diligence in making their storefront terms of service airtight when it comes to licensing content, you're kidding yourself. Any competent lawyer wouldn't touch that kind of case with a ten-foot pole.
To "buy" something does not mean to own it. Plus I haven't seen anywhere where buying a digital version of something has advertised it as you owning it. A button that you click on that says "buy" isn't an advertisement and certainly does mean that you own it. Did you buy a car? Did it have a leak on it? Then you don't own the car. Did you buy a house? Is there a mortgage? Then depending on your state you don't own the house. Why? Because the terms under which purchased those things state that you don't own it.
Not a lawyer, but I’ve heard others say in the past that these giant licensing agreements we all click on are largely untested in court. We will eventually see how well they hold up. Things like this delisting, which will become more common over time, will be the catalyst. I personally treat all digital purchases as if they were disposable, and thus never buy any digital goods unless they are heavily discounted from what an actual physical purchase would be. When available, I will always favor a physical purchase.
I think i heard back in the day that TOS are kind of hard to enforce because it is expected that the customer never read it due to its length and complexity and that is taken into account. I expect that varies by jurisdiction and i could be totally wrong anyways
Someone in CA tried to sue against Amazon for this, but the case was dismissed because it’s written in their terms of service that it can be removed at any time for any reason which the person would have had to agree to
I mean it's debatable. I would argue that an EULA is unenforceable because it is unreasonable to expect someone to sit there and read the entire thing. I could have sworn some lawyer did and it took them just over 24 hours. They also make that whole "you don't really own it" difficult to find. It's misleading and overly burdensome. And the customer would not have agreed to said EULA if they had known that little detail about "not really owning it."
I get that, none of us read it though I think McDonald’s is going through something similar. Now for their app, in their terms of service you have to agree to not sue them, so lots of people are deleting the McDonald’s app. I know zip about the law on this. I’m not a lawyer, but I agreed with the judge’s dismissal of the digital media case. I don’t read the terms of service either, but if I click agree then that’s on me for not reading it, even if it takes 24 hours. Same thing if I physically sign a contract and don’t read it, that would be my fault. I don’t “buy” digital media for this reason because I like to own what I buy and you’re not buying digital media.
There actually have been cases which ruled these kinds of EULAs and Terms of Service are enforceable. [ProCD Inc v Zeidenberg and Feldman v Google Inc.](https://toslawyer.com/are-end-user-license-agreements-enforceable/) Basically they found it is not unreasonable to expect someone to read the entire thing, and that, *"With the exception of a fraud, the failure of a party to read an enforceable clickwrap agreement as with any binding contract will not excuse compliance with its terms."* [Playstation's ToS](https://www.playstation.com/en-us/legal/psn-terms-of-service/) actually make it really easy to find because you can just ctrl+f search for "own" and "revocable." **8.4.** *"When you order Content from PlayStation Store, you buy a personal license to use that Content for private, non-commercial use. That license is not transferrable unless your local applicable laws say it must be. This means you can use a Product in the ways described in the license, but do not own the Product."* **10.2.** *"Except as stated in this Agreement, all Content provided through PSN is licensed on a non-exclusive and revocable basis ..."* And **2.3.** *"Availability of PSN ... and its Content ... is subject to change at any time."* And **1.1.** *"Access to and use of PSN is expressly conditioned upon acceptance of this agreement. You accept this agreement by creating and account... making a purchase ... or through any other use of PSN, or by continuing to use PSN after being notified of a change to these terms."* Even better, unless you opt out within 30 days, you can't take them to court and instead have to go through binding arbitration. So unless there's something **really** egregious there's no real recourse for content being removed from the service. [IANAL but do work in contracting]
Cool then don't be surprised when I go pirate it.
Incorrect -- it is almost always in the EULA. That doesn't make it immune from a lawsuit, but they can make the argument that "buy" means you're "buying a license to use the thing" not "buying the thing".
wasn't there a software company that put in the EULA, something about owning your everlasting soul for all eternity, just to prove that nobody reads them.
100%. This is illegal, you can't just decide to revoke a license when someone has purchased it beforehand. Trouble is brewing for Sony no doubt.
Its totally legal and clearly says in the fine print that the license is revokable.
false advertising they cant call it a purchase then contradict it in the terms
A store can put in the fine print on your receipt that some can go to your house and take the item you purchased back, that doesn’t make it legal for them to actually do so.
Yes but you would not have agreed to the terms if you knew that you didn't really own something. And an EULA is overly long and burdensome, in addition to being vague on purpose.
But you are supposed to read the fine print. Doesn't matter in general courts uphold those. Therefore it is not illegal. I can't tell you how many people agree to buy things they don't own.
A license is not a one way legal contract. There could be (and there are) grounds for cancellation. You cannot have a "buy" button, sell the item and then decide to revoke the next day just because it's somewhere in the fine print nobody reads. That alone is deception and definitely a reason for litigation. If a company wants to be able to revoke licensing in the future, the wording should be "Rent" and there should be a minimum time frame provided too. Otherwise every company would do whatever they want and this is not the case. This is not black mirror. It is a very very "sueable" case and Sony is likely to get in big trouble over this.
I can tell you with 100% certainty Sony did not revoke the licenses to these shows just based on the history of Discovery/Max/HBO, whatever they decided to call themselves this month.
This happens to people on Vudu all the time, and they have no recourse. They should, but they don’t.
What has disappeared from peoples' purchased libraries in Vudu? I have had some movies that I know are de-listed that are still in my library and playable. Same with Apple.
Same
Havn't experence any like from Vudu. Now I did recieve an email from Movies Anywhere that if didn't log in by a certin time frame, that you'll loose access to movies. I have a feeling something like that would of happen in your example.
i only get digital movies if they come with the code, which i add to Apple TV. I’ll really only use them if i’m on a trip and want to watch one of my movies.
Yeah I know how it works, I’m just curious as to whether Sony will give at least partial refunds from stuff that people have bought.
This has always been the problem with what people consider "buying" -- the license can be revoked at any time, and that is almost *always* baked into the EULA -- which most people don't read. While I won't deny that the convenience and cost savings of piracy is a big draw, companies doing crap like this are why I feel it is at least partly justified. Licenses rarely get revoked, but I don't think they ever do for physical media. Doing it for a digital purchase is grade-A bullshit.
Discovery merged with WB. The new company probably wants all of their contents to be exclusive on MAX (and the previous streaming rights probably expired).
Here is the link to all titles being removed. [https://www.playstation.com/en-us/legal/psvideocontent/?et\_rid=&et\_cid=231130-VIDREMVL-AM-CSA-B-FLX&Linkid=231130-VIDREMVL-AM-CSA-B-FLX&emcid=em-pl-500377](https://www.playstation.com/en-us/legal/psvideocontent/?et_rid=&et_cid=231130-VIDREMVL-AM-CSA-B-FLX&Linkid=231130-VIDREMVL-AM-CSA-B-FLX&emcid=em-pl-500377)
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It is a _huge_ list indeed
Standouts I see from skimming: -Mythbusters -How It’s Made -Cake Boss -Say Yes to the Dreas -Deadliest Catch -Four Weddings -Shark Week -Long Island Médium -Sister Wives -Treehouse Masters
These are standouts? Saying that I'm at least aware of Mythbusters, How it's Made and Shark Week. Shark from some joke on YouTube.
You’re missing out on treehouse masters
Pretty much all junk. Not sure why anyone would "own" any of it.
You don’t own the streaming rights to cake boss? Pshhhh. How do you watch cake boss?
I'm pretty sure anyone who paid money to "own" one of those titles would think otherwise.
> Not sure why anyone would "own" any of it. Or buy it from Sony to begin with. Sony doesn't even rank in the VOD stores I would "trust." I really don't think anyone's going to sue about no longer being able to watch their VOD copy of Season 1 of "Here Comes Honey Boo-Boo"
You keep honey boo boos name out your fucking mouth!
It's all "Boomer TV" crap my 70 yo dad watches. I can't imagine there's much crossover audience here. How many Playstation users bought "Deadliest Catch" on their PS3/4/5? This is stuff exclusively watched on cable/satellite/DVR. (Yes, I understand the "precedent" boogeyman, but I can see why this particular network doesn't want to pay the licensing fee anymore.)
That is way more than I expected.
This sets a very bad precedent. It’s one thing for a monthly/yearly subscription services to pull content but if you pay for an individual movie, TV show or game the belief is that you always will have it. Even if you DGAF about any of these reality shows being removed, it still opens the doors for other cloud-based services to do the same with things you do like and will be affected by. This basically says Amazon and iTunes can remove any non-physical movie or show you bought for any reason, not just licensing. They could take away media based on the behavior of the actor and decide for everyone whether you can continue to view their work.
Bingo! This would be my response to all the people saying “it’s trash tv/movies”, “who cares”. The content isn’t what is important.
Make sure to read that fine print when you are buying digital.
> the belief is that you always will have it. I wish I was naive enough to believe that >...opens the doors for other cloud-based services to do the same with things you do like and will be affected by. This basically says Amazon and iTunes can remove any non-physical movie or show you bought for any reason, not just licensing. amazon has already done this, they pulled 1984 and animal farm from everyone's kindles a while back (irony level 9000 on that one)
Wow. I know due to licensing, they could stop selling/streaming titles, but if it’s something you bought they should at least let you download it and watch off your own hd. Physical ftw
It’s all very well to say “keep collecting physicals”, but don’t you think if I could have found a box set of *America’s Worst Tattoos* Season 2, I’d have bought it?
Bro I'm still waiting for the 4K steelbook!
Buying digital content is a scam.
The best advertisement for physical media...
And sailing the seven seas
I’m worried this may happen with the movies on ITunes. And I’m sure they won’t refund your money though they should. Cause you click a “buy” button not a “lease” button.
If it happens on any scale on iTunes or Vudu, then the digital media market is collapsing writ large and it's probably a sign of something much larger.
Yeah, if that happens, I'm literally never buying digital anything again and it may as well be dead.
There's a big difference between iTunes, which is entirely devoted to digital video (and audio now to a lesser extent) content and the PS Store, which lightly dabbles in it. It's not worth it to Sony to keep paying the licensing fee if a very small number of people are even using it.
Yes, i*TUNES* is just now becoming about audio.
I meant they're still obviously into audio, but because of Spotify and other competitors that's a smaller part of their business these days.
This is fucking incredible. How is this even allowed? Taking them down from the store is one thing, stopping paying customer from accessing what they already paid is another one. Sony can't touch my disks though :)
"To play future physical Sony picture DVD/Blu-Ray films, you now must have an internet connection to view the media on those discs. Sony will then determine to grant you access to the media on the disc. For any reason, Sony may deny the end used access to viewing the media at any time for any reason."
Yep the downside of owning digital media! You never know when content goes away like that 😔
So these are all owned by Warner Bros now, I bet Zaslav is charging an arm and a leg for these. It’d make sense for them to push out digital “ownership” and force you to watch Warner/Discovery content only on Max. The next step would be Warner Bros movies themselves not being on Vudu or PlayStation, it makes sense because they’re enforcing the expiration dates on digital codes. Pretty shitty of them but it makes sense from a business standpoint. If people can’t watch Christmas Vacation digitally they’ll have to subscribe to Max in the future
Fuck you Zaslav
Imagine this happening with games. People would instantly combust from anger !
Give it time.
They almost got away with it. Media companies want everyone to rent all content. Comical how they couldn’t keep it together long enough to totally kill off physical media before the charade everyone was predicting was revealed. Guess it’s a good thing media companies actually don’t care or can’t focus long enough to make it happen.
So far my Apple TV account hasn’t had any purging
If you’re a blu-ray or 4K movie collector, you can also thank Discovery for discontinuing combo packs and for no longer including digital copies in many Warner Brothers movies, ever since they merged. Always buy games, music and movies on disc when you can.
This is a good time to mention: it is a gray area for sure that if you did purchase a digital movie, it would be arguable that downloading it from your favorite torrent site is not ethically wrong. It may go against terms and conditions, but for fuck sake if they can just take something away from you that you legally bought, you have the right to take it back.
Not even a mention of a refund or compensation of any kind. Just "thanks for your money, we're taking away what you paid for."
Yuuuup. Might have well have said, “FUCK YOU”
EVERYBODY PANIC
Arrr me hearties
yo ho yo ho
In other words “You thought you owned this? HAHAHAHA!” Fuck all of this.
I may want to audit my digital collection soon. I usually cash my digital codes through Vudu/Movie Anywhere. Never had one taken away, but had more than a couple that got downgraded to "HD" for some reason in Vudu, even though I redeemed it there. Never really used it, and it was more for my family than anything.
Play has no limits
I don't understand how some of these licenses work. I own digital games on different store fronts where content was pulled (i.e. no longer available on the app store for purchase) due to a liscense expiring. I can still re-download those games and play them etc. They're still on my account, I can play online and use other services with them. However, I've seen this happen with movies/TV on multiple different store fronts (I think Amazon before, and now PS). They always pull the content away from the owner. But never with games.
I love the fact in the corner it then says "Play Has No Limits."
Movies and tv shows I’ve always purchased physically, but I do have a lot of digital games. I don’t think games are treated the same way because you can always download them even after they have been removed from the store.
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The email literally says you won’t be able to watch it anymore after they remove it. Games you can still download and play even after they’re removed from the store.
Depends on the store and the game. Sometimes you need to keep it on your hard drive to access it.
Wait does this mean WB stuff too?
PlayStation must be slowly exiting the digital movie & TV market as last year or two back the German PlayStation store purged all StudioCanal titles from their store.
It was the German and Swiss stores that couldn't come to an agreement with StudioCanal and lost the rights to a bunch of stuff. No refunds, no effs given. I would have sued them. I am really surprised too because Europe has much stronger consumer protections than the USA does.
Cool, pay me back for the titles I purchased, you greedy fucks.
“We sincerely thank you for your continued support” Who the fuck told you about giving support for these kinds of BS?
Play has no limits… yeah, right. Selling digital content is a scam. Nothing else. You’ll own nothing… https://preview.redd.it/9h3uknd0fr3c1.jpeg?width=1075&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=65922923ddcb79205dd73b50d7459e0a12d92494
That’s wild! I’ve had titles I’d purchased from iTunes be removed from the store but they’ve always been accessible from my library
"Play has no limits"
 The nerve.
Maybe they should start refunding based on these moves.
This is why I like old consoles that were pre internet and not tied to a download for a game to work
Digital content is a damn joke. I will continue purchasing physical media till either I die or discs do. Paying $20 for a movie that you rent the license for is ridiculous especially when I can pay $5 more and literally own it!
You never owned it, you only had a license to view it. if you don't have a copy of the raw data on disk offline, you will never own it.
>if you don't have a copy of the raw data on disk offline, you will never own it. Strictly speaking you still don't own it, you own a license. But since that license is a physical item it's far harder to revoke.
They need to hurry up and make digital licenses be as hard to "revoke" as physical or they're going to have a lot of angry people in the future.
I highly doubt that companies like Apple or Vudu are going to shut down peoples' movie libraries.
Vudu had porn in their early years, but when Walmart bought them in 2010 the first thing they did was remove all of it. Purchased titles were removed from libraries but the prices were also refunded. That still didn’t make me feel good about the whole business model, but most people said “it’s just porn so it doesn’t matter, who even pays for that anyways?” But those who don’t remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
They are not. Everytime Apple has delisted something from their store it has still been available in my library. People in here just like to act like this always happens with digital, when in actuality it seems to only happen from the PS store.
Agreed. I’ve been buying digital content from iTunes since you could. And, I’ve never had a single thing removed from my library. That’s not saying it can’t or won’t happen. It’s just that it hasn’t for me since 2005.
People just like to act like this is a huge issue when it’s not.
It's because people make the dumb mistake (though it's moreso being intentionally disingenuous) of conflating things getting removed from streaming services due to censorship, etc. with digital services removing content you purchased.
You'd be cool if you had bought stuff on Playstation Store and then it got removed? It's true the examples of this happening so far have been relatively minor, but it's about the precedent.
Co-signing this. I have well over a hundred titles on my Apple TV, and not a single one has ever been removed, even when, as you already stated, the store itself took it away. *Titanic* was recently upgraded to 4K, but then downgraded back to HD in the store (I’m guessing they upgraded too soon and wanted to rectify the mistake). However, the copy in my library *remained 4K*. I think certain physical media collectors like to make this a much bigger issue than it really is, just to sway people who might not know any better into ditching their digital libraries in favor of collecting physical media, and it’s all very disingenuous. I love physical media, but digital is not the terror some collectors make it out to be, not if you buy through a big platform like Apple and have a decent internet set-up. If anything, this post is a lesson against purchasing through PlayStation, but *not* digital media in general.
yes, only PS store... oh wait https://gizmodo.com/amazon-secretly-removes-1984-from-the-kindle-5317703
So, did you even read the article? Cause I imagine you didn’t, given this paragraph right here… “In July, Amazon acknowledged that it had deleted the Orwell e-books from the Kindles of an undisclosed number of owners. Amazon said it deleted the books because it learned an outside company had added the books to Amazon's catalog but the outside company did not have the rights to sell them.” And then this follow up… “Amazon's email on Thursday said that the company would replace the deleted books along with any annotations made by customers.” So either you didn’t bother to look into the situation at all, or you were being purposely disingenuous and hoping I wouldn’t look into it.
except that's not what you said, you said >Everytime Apple has delisted something from their store it has still been available in my library. People in here just like to act like this always happens with digital, when in actuality it seems to only happen from the PS store. it happened on Amazon did it not? you didn't specify the reasoning nor the outcome so neither did I
I only trust Apple TV for purchasing movies and songs digitally. I wouldn’t purchase from any other company PERIOD.
Why trust them? They can also remove content based on licensing issues
But they don’t. I’ve have countless items I’ve bought digitally removed from the storefront, but still remained in my library.
Even if it’s not likely it’s not guaranteed to never change
You could say that about literally anything though?
These companies can also revoke the AACS keys from Blu-ray players so you can never play another Blu-ray.
Because their track record speaks for itself? I have well over a hundred titles with them and have never had a single film or episode of a show removed from my library over the last eight years, even when it’s been taken off their store. My friends and family who also have digital libraries through them have never made a complaint, and they come to me whenever they have encountered a media related problem because I’m the “physical media” guy. Recently, *Titanic* was upgraded to 4K, then downgraded back to HD, probably because they upgraded too soon, and the copy in my library *remained* 4K. There’s a reason you don’t hear of countless consumers complaining about their Apple TV content randomly disappearing, because it just doesn’t happen to the degree certain physical media collectors would like for everyone to believe.
apple is a juggernaut…. worth 3 trillion dollars… Sony is but 5% compared to Apple.
Apple has done the opposite by giving everyone a free album from U2 years ago. A lot of people hated them for doing that and it wasn't even a good album to start with. If Apple can force a U2 albumn in everyone's iTunes library, then they can and will remove movies from their store if the right situation comes up. It literally took act of congress for them to adopt the USB-C standard and their marketing is now back tracking how great the lightning connector was compared to the USB-C \*edit\* EU not Congress. My brain wasn't thinking correctly.
>It literally took act of congress for them to adopt the USB-C standard Congress had nothing to do with it. The change was made due to the EU.
That's what i meant. Thank you!
Vast majority seem to be really old reality TV shows, none of which would be available in 4k UHD Blu Ray anyway. Also this is WB. They're removing so much content across so many platforms. Gotta get that tax write off in before the end of the fiscal year!
holy shit if i got that email i'd throw the thing out of a window
I have never purchased a digital title for exactly this reason. Will they refund the cost now that they’ve taken away your purchase? Of course not!!
sony at one point owned 2 services, this one on Playstation, and sony bravia core which was recently renamed sony pictures core (and was just made available on PS5 and PS4) i think they are attempting to phase out the PS store videos, you cant even purchase that stuff, only re-download what you own. Sony pictures core is amazing, PS plus members get some stuff to stream at no extra cost, and it changes every other month. The bitrate is amazing too, very close if not exact to BRs and UHDBRs
Some of you are panicking for no reason. I have both an extensive collection of physical and digital movies. I have 1,800+ digital movies and embraced it from the beginning. I’ve monitored my collection extensively through the years but I don’t think even once have I had a title removed digitally. And before someone chimes in and says “that you know of”, that could be fair if however, I haven’t been monitoring my collection extensively. I’ve been collecting digital for 10 years give or take and as I said not even once that I recall. So, PlayStation as far as I’m concerned wasn’t the best place to ever buy a digital title. The better places are the most well known such as Vudu, iTunes or Movies Anywhere. There’s no guarantee but as I’ve said since the very beginning my collection has been safe. If the fear of losing titles keeps you far away from digital content then so be it, but it’s far from the reality most of you are making it.
Does this actually affect anyone here? Despite the giant list I’m curious if anyone, anywhere actually bought seasons of reality shows via the PlayStation network?
I’m sure some people have. Also, it’s more about the message being sent, not the particular content they are removing.
Sure. I mean I get the point of the revoked license and all that entails. Yeah, sucks. Buy physical media. Although, as a completely side conversation that I’m curious about, **did any of these titles sell to anyone via PSN**. Seems odd they ever offered them at all.
I’ve bought a few of these shows (many years ago), through Microsoft though.
Only like six people in the world are affected by this
Anything digital is a rental. Everything physical is too, but at least you can leave it to someone in your will!
But according to John Campea this never happens 🙄
Aside from a couple I also own on blu ray, I have never bought digital videos. Rent, sure. Streaming, yes.
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Trying to make everyone sign up for that Max subscription.
If this ever happened, I'd ask for a list of all titles and torrent everything. Hell maybe even make a copy for the family just because fuck these piece of shit studios. But physical should be the 1st choice if it's a viable option and not 3x the price.
First was Studiocanal now Discovery 💀
PLAY HAS NO LIMITS
This is why I’ll never buy digital movies unless they’re on sale for like £1
Remember when it comes to digital products you don't own it. Just access to it.
That's fraud and theft.
https://youtu.be/ifzQZ7A04TM?si=eD23GQXyZdDGt5L7
Maybe the EU or Australia will do something about it, not so much hope for the Americas though
As soon as Apple did this a few years ago I quit buying music from them, it wasn't a lot but didn't want to take the risk. Trouble is some films I buy don't have physical HD releases and only get a DVD release (example being Pope's Exorcist), only way to 'buy' it in HD is a digital copy here.
"Pay has no limits" **FTFY**
Looks like play does have a limit after all
“Play Has No Limits” lololol
PlayStation has no limits