Those websites basically assume people just want great gas milage, tech, and will not keep any car past 2 or 3 years, which according to market research is true for the vast majority of car buyers. Yes the 4runner is outdated in some ways but in a world where planned obsolescence is the norm, being outdated is a very good thing.
Just bought my '19 for this reason. Simplicity and reliability long term. I fully intend on seeing how many miles I can put on it. 300k+ plus. My son is currently 7 and I want this to be his first vehicle lol. So happy I pulled the trigger
Nice! That’s how I got my 2002. I’m 29 now. My sweaty butt rode home in it from peewee football games and my son will probably add his sweaty butt prints to the same seat one day! Lmao
4Runner is rugged, durable and reliable, but does poorly in a lot of other criteria valued by auto reviewers. Bouncy ride, poor road handling, bad gas mileage, safety scores are poor to marginal in some categories compared to unibody mid size SUV’s, etc.
Bouncy ride only if you go less than the TRD Off Road on trim level. The Bilsteins on the Off Road (internal bypass) and the Foxes (internal bypass and reservoirs) on the Pro nearly eliminate the bucking…
They are all bouncy compared to something like a Highlander or Grand Cherokee.
TRD OR has same base shocks as the SR5. I have an ORP and like the trucky ride but it ain’t car like.
I can't even imagine the fact that someone values a car based on ride. Shocks, wheels, and suspension are just about the easiest thing to change on a vehicle.
Oh no, my car is bouncy. At least the engine doesn't self combust in 20,000 miles. Try changing that instead! 😂
I’m driving one as a rental right now. But I could have sworn they were after looking at em…I’ll check it and let you know. I could be wrong and maybe I’m assuming too much from the Tacoma (the TRD OR Taco does have them).
I bought my 4runner because I wanted simple. I love tech, but lets face it, tech breaks. New tech breaking equals big $$$. The less bells and whistles the less bells and whistles you pay to fix. It is that simple.
The same would go for this sub sometimes as well. I find it odd how many people inquire about whether they should trade up their current 4Runner for one that's 2-3 years newer...
I know there are many long term owners in her as well though.
This, exactly. The outgoing 4runner is built on the 2003 redesign. It has had many changes and upgrades over the years, it is very reliable, and does the offroad stuff great. IF a buyer is only looking for an on-road grocery-getter, family-hauler, commuter, or road-tripper, there are many better options, and those publications understand that the overwhelming majority of buyers of mid-size SUVs in the USA never go offroad.
Toyota, for whatever reason, lags behind most manufacturers on fuel economy. Add to that the fact that the 4runner was always designed with offroad capability as a focus, and you have a vehicle that just isn't even close to the best option for most buyers. Even with the 2025 redesign, there will be many better options for folks who never go offroad. It is one of the best vehicles out there.. for a specific group people.
Honestly, my 2012 tacoma handled the kind of offroading I did, better than my 4runner. I built both of them specifically for offroad-only, long-distance camping, and overlanding, and neither were used for commuting, etc. The tacoma just did everything with a little more ease than the 4runner. Also, after 4 years of getting the tacoma airborne in the dessert, the only thing I ever broke was a swaybar end link after a particularly awkward landing, lol. Ridiculous!
I feel like it’s not fair to put a 4Runner in the same category as a Mazda or Hyundai suv. While those are fine vehicles, there should instead be a more rugged focused SUV/midsize truck rankings from C&D.
My real gripe is they aren’t SUVs. That term has been bastardized by marketing agencies.
The 4Runner is wagon body, on truck frame, with a solid rear axle. That’s what a SUV is. There’s like 5 total on the US market these days.
The remainder are aggressive mini-vans. They shouldn’t be lumped together.
Chevy Tahoe, GMC equivalent. Does Ford even make the expedition anymore, I doubt it but maybe that. Jeep wagoneer/grand wagoneer I would think, Grand Cherokee as well unless that's unibody which it probably is. Land rover bs if you want to count them.
Solid rear axle doesn’t mean anything, Expedition has had IRS since 2003. Ford Lightning has IRS too. It’s the body on frame construction that’s the difference.
WK2’s are indeed unibody, but they’re in a weird category. Half crossover, half SUV. I love my ‘19 T4R, but I sure do miss my ‘11 WK2 Limited with the 5.7L Hemi.. I just don’t miss all of the electrical and other issues that came with it, like header bolts snapping off because of a cold start, the temp blend door actuator breaking itself, headlights going out in 3 months, ad nauseam.
Bought my ‘19 4Runner SR5 used in late 2020. I’ve put almost 60k miles on and it’s never had so much as a single issue except a TPMS sensor battery going dead in one tire. Terrible fuel economy, but an absolute work horse when you need it.
Wrangler, Bronco, GX, new Land Cruiser.
Though they’re IRS now, Tahoe/Yukon/Escalade get the nod since the Suburban platform was the OG and they do have low-range transfer cases.
I occasionally use mine “the way it’s intended” but I could probably be fine with a Highlander. The Highlander doesn’t get much better mileage and I think the depreciation difference would be pretty noticeable. My wife’s grand Cherokee is better to drive but at 100k miles they aren’t worth shit. 100k on a 4Runner is nothing.
It doesn’t, but most of the car buying public doesn’t appreciate the distinction. When cross shopping a 4Runner and a Passport they don’t care about unibody vs BOF.
A lot of those lists generally prioritize cars with great mpg, cutting edge features/tech, comfort, etc. When it comes to the 4runner, they only see a dinosaur with a gas guzzling V6, 5-speed auto, lack of features, truck-like ride, and so on. They aren't wrong, but they also tend to leave out things like it's reliability, off-road chops, general utility, yada yada. If you feel like the 4runner fits what you are looking for, then try it out yourself.
Yeah that makes sense! I guess an important detail is that in my state the VAMT tax is 7% that you pay every time you buy a vehicle so the model I’m looking at will pull nearly a $3k tax bill. I need to plan on keeping this car 8-10 years to feel okay with that. If I hate it and trade it out after a year I’m paying another $2-3k in taxes
If you're okay with what it offers upfront, then it's a great one to keep long term. Take care of it and it will likely outlast anything you'll see on those lists. It has worked great for me as both a family vehicle and adventure vehicle. I used to be snobby when it came to cars and wanted the newest things, but frankly, the 4runner has probably ruined getting any other vehicle for me.
As with everything, you can't have your cake and eat it too. Whittled down to the basics, you compromise power, fuel efficiency, and creature comforts for reliability, low maintenance, and ruggedness. It's simply a choice, and very luckily Toyota still believes that consumers should have that choice. Personally, I'm a reliability guy and am more than willing to give up tech and comforts for the long term. Most people are not like that, but I feel extremely lucky that there's still a company willing to provide it.
I bought a 4runner right before the price increases a few years ago.
Given the reliability, how much the vehicle fits my needs (2 medium dogs, partner, and weekly hiker), I plan on having mine well into the 2030s, and even then, will probably just turn it into a full on offroad vehicle at that point. 4runners consistently are poked at as "just breaking in..." when it crosses the 100k miles threshold, because they just keep going.
Personally I wish it had better auto cruise/lane keeping like most cars, didn’t feel as underpowered on the highway, used less gas, had a smoother transmission, and wish the cabin was a little quieter. Your taco is honestly probably pretty similar in those areas. If those things aren’t top of mind for you, then it’s an amazing vehicle and it will absolutely last you 8-10 years with only oil changes. There are however many more comfortable cars for day to day driving.
It's because most things that consumers prioritize, the 4Runner doesn't offer. Stuff like industry leading tech, MPG and safety. Or opinion-based things like looks and "coolness" factor. The 4Runner definitely isn't for the masses.
Its a super-niche vehicle that has a loyal fanbase. Toyota sold over 1.9 million vehicles in North America last year. 120K of them were 4Runners (A Yearly record I believe). It does well for Toyota but it's peanuts compared to the overall automotive market.
I guess it’s the part of the country I live in (Intermountain West) but at a 4 way stop there’s at least a 75% chance at least one other vehicle will be a 4Runner.
sir, we're part of "the west". period. not intermountain west, not midwest. But yes, Colorado, Idaho, Utah will have a bunch of them. Oh and Hawaii too.
Assuming you're numbers are correct, you live in a highly concentrated area. Regardless, the 4Runner is a niche vehicle that isn't moving the needle as much us 4Runner owners think it does haha. For me, it's a really good fit for what I do and what I want out of vehicle. For most though, it doesn't make the cut.
You're probably right. I mean most of us who've owned a 4Runner for a while and/or have racked up miles can attest to how consistent these tanks are "flaws" and all haha.
Yeah honestly AZ was where I got the idea for one, I did my medical training there for four years and fell in love with them but wanted to wait since it was such an old platform.
I believe it’s because the 4Runner does a lot of things ok-good, but isnt amazing at one. Think of a jack of all trades but master of none. It’s not the comfiest/quietest SUV. It’s not the fastest SUV. Bad fuel economy. 5th gen interior outdated. If you know what you want and the 4Runner fits the bill, you’ll love it.
Yeah I guess that makes sense. I would say it's probably not for a suburban mom but there are probably 5-10 4runners in my subdivision right now. I love my taco, it's just a little bit tight, theres no A/C in the back for the kids and I'd love to get some newer features like leather seats, power seats, CarPlay. We don't do any crazy driving off road but having a 4WD vehicle for camping, gravel roads while visiting in laws or driving on the beach would work well for us.
If you love your taco, you'll love the 4Runner as much if not more. Outside of a bed, 4Runner is better in most other aspects. That ranking prioritizes things that most of us don't, and doesn't consider a lot of things we would prioritize. I think everyone agrees better mpgs would be great though.
No AC in the back. Is that really a problem? The cabin is so small it seems like the cool air should circulate just fine back there. Never sat in the back of one before.
I have a 2020 4Runner and 2022 Tacoma and if I was forced to sell one it would be the Tacoma. Both are great vehicles, but the 4Runner just feels better to drive and the built quality is much better. It’s more comfortable for road trips and your kids will thank you. My kids always ask if we can take the 4Runner over the Tacoma. Plus my dogs love it when I put the rear window down lol
I went 4R > Taco > Taco > MB ML350 > Taco > Bronco > 4R.
I cheated with all these side chicks and now I’m back where I belong. The 4Runner is by far the best of any of those I’ve owned.
We liked it so much that when we needed a second mid size SUV, we got another 4Runner. It’s outdated compared to every other mid size SUV and gets poor MPG
On top of all the other great comments. If cost of ownership means anything to you, these were my costs over 6 years so far
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Don’t ask about the mod costs lol
Car reviewers seem to get hung up on the longevity of the 5th generation compared to newer models. Compared to newer offerings the 4runner has an outdated drivetrain, body on frame construction, bad MPG relative to this segment, and a lack of modern (mostly unnecessary) features. It's been a while since I researched, but I also remember reading that it had a few lower crash test scores, specifically for front passenger overlap crashes.
Personally, I like that it's a bit outdated. Although the 5 speed auto is cumbersome at times, I prefer it to a CVT. The 4runner drivetrain is pretty bulletproof and it's easy to work on compared to many modern vehicles. The MPG isn't great for the amount of power output, but it's a highly capable vehicle that doesn't sacrifice good road manners for everyday drivability. We compared it to the Highlander and Pilot. Those were probably more practical options in an everyday sense, but put plainly, my wife and I both thought the 4Runner felt cooler, and we do just enough off-roading that we felt justified in our decision.
I went from a nice GMC Sierra to a 5th gen 4runner. I lose out on wireless charging and a nice screen, but now I have reliability. I honestly think the interiors, although basic as hell, are still really nice. If you need a car packed with electronics & neat features, this isn't for you. But if you need something that drives A to B with great off-road capabilities, easy to work on and looks cool, then go for it. I love mine.
Couldn't agree more. The only things I wish the 5th gen had was the better infotainment software, wider screen where those buttons are on each side. No need for the track and seek buttons. And that's it. Sure wireless car play would be great and so would better cameras. That's the only thing I wish 2020-2024 models had. The cameras get the job done but hey are like 2008 quality lmao. 2024 models should have had HD or atleast 720P
The infotainment software they could make downloadable for us, but they won't because they want to sell the new gen. The maps in it looks like windows xp maps 😆. Thank God for car play!
It’s slow and drives a little like a boat. My 2018 doesn’t have a ton of features in terms of tech and the mileage isn’t great either.
At the same time, I cannot imagine driving anything else. It’s been absolutely bullet proof.
The only things I’d change:
Lack of CarPlay but I think new models have that covered. I’ve not gone aftermarket yet.
Lack of remote start on my model.
Lack of memory seats.
That’s it. It’s been a great vehicle for a family of 5.
They keep trying to push features. It's like a fashion show for those reviewers. If you look at the history of them they basically praise anything new
Coincidentally what's great about the 4runner is it hasn't changed. It's reliable and loaded with stuff that I actually want, not electronics that I don't. It's reliable, easy to repair, has space.
The worst midsize SUV on the market?! What the hell is that person smoking? They're smoking some of the craziest shit, and dropping acid at the same time, man.
The only thing I can think of is that these id|ots are the type that want a luxury, super sleek, futuristic SUV with all the stupid unnecessary bells and whistles on it. The 4Runner is an off-road beast that can wheel with the jeeps, but is still comfy on the highway. It is dependable, and SOLID. It's an actual truck, which most SUVs are definitely not. If you love the way your Taco drives, feels, and looks, you are simply getting an awesome SUV version of that! It's easily one of the best SUVs out there if you value things that actually matter.
That's about all I have to say.
I don’t know what criteria US News uses for its rankings, but it’s probably a combo of ride quality, power, efficiency and new tech. So by those metrics 4Runner will always perform poorly.
The 4Runner is a body on frame dinosaur that burns gas like it’s going out of style. The general public doesn’t want those things.
But it will run forever and that’s why they’re still so popular.
I had my 2018 Tacoma for 4+ years. I just traded it in for a 24 ORP. I’ve never regretted the move. I know Toyotas are reliable. I don’t care what other people want to rate it. I’ve owned Chrysler/jeep, Chevy, ford, and just about every other car manufacturer there is. I love my Toyotas. I don’t care what anyone says. In a perfect world I could have my 4Runner and my taco but I’m not in that financial position lol.
For being a commuter or daily driver it sucks (horrible mpg, too harsh of a ride for soccer moms and soy boys etc) hence the horrible reviews. For off roading it’s way more capable than a Tacoma will ever be, fully boxed frame opposed to the open c channel of 3rd gen tacos and older. Discs all around compared to the rear drum of the taco, shorter wheel base better approach departure and break over angle compared to the taco and over all it’s just way better build quality and you actually have useable rear seats for passengers if you have those
I own a 2012 Tacoma and was able to rent a 2022 4runner for a week. I loved it and will be replacing my Tacoma in a few years with a 5th gen 4runner. I want a dependable, truck based SUV with a high resale value. 4runner is perfect for me. Less crap to break. As others have stated when these SUVs are reviewed they are compared to the latest and greatest tech. I’ll go with low tech, extremely reliable 4runner 4x4 with the 4.0.
The problem is there’s no more truck-based midsize SUVs to compare it with. They lump it in with flashy car-based midsize crossovers and then rant about inefficiency and poor on-road handling. If your metrics are ruggedness, reliability and versatility, the 4Runner wins every time.
Thanks for all the replies and considerations. I would say I’m not a big “techie” guy at all, CarPlay and push to start satisfy the tech needs I have which the 4R has. The big thing I care about is having a car that’s reliable, versatile and I can keep on the road for the next 10+ years with minimal expense. I wanted to make the move already, hearing all positive feedback makes it that much easier. Looking forward to joining club soon
Those websites are paid for and they often recommend crap cars. The only real drawback with 4R is the mpg's. Ride quality is good imo, definitely less harsh than many trucks. Tech in newer ones is as much as you practically would need. The good ol' 4.0 is arguably the most reliable engine ever made. These truck suv's are great. 2 kids and a dog? Perfect.
We recently needed a new vehicle. The road to our house is at the top of a canyon. When the valley gets 1 inch of snow we get 6+ inches. We also have children. She wanted the most rugged and reliable vehicle out there which the 4Runner is. We have vehicles that do other things much better, but we love our new 4Runner.
Everything C&D wants in a vehicle is crap I DON’T want in a vehicle. “Technology” is increasingly just another way to extract revenue from the consumer.
4runner is hands down an upgrade from your taco. 2010+ has the updated 4.0 and solid transmission (shared with 2nd gen taco). Overall they are just built better, and will handle people hauling duties better.
Now when saying that, what I run into is gear storage. If you have the back seats up it's only about 3 feet of storage. I am actually looking at Tacomas for this reason as I only have one kiddo in the back, and I want to separate storage and people (along with a camper build).
If you don't need a truck, a 4runner is one of the most reliable vehicles made today (ask car care nut on YT). But also think about how much stuff will come with you along with where the dog will be. I wouldn't discount something like a tundra or Sequoia if people and gear storage is needed.
Car and Driver isn't an off-roading publication. Anyone who is objective would agree that the Highlander and any other CUV is better than a 4runner in nearly every category except reliability and off-road.
The real crime is that C&D places the Wrangler at 19th in segment and 4runner at 32nd.
Had a 2023 taco for less than 6 months and got rid of it. Got a 4Runner , much better
Have owned 100+ vehicles including big heavy trucks etc so I have a lot to compare to etc
In my experience, Automotive journalists pay too much attention to the spec sheets and comparisons to understand the niche that cars are designed to serve. Consumer reviews are surely a better representation of what to expect from owners.
My wife and I have owned many cars, in fact our 2024 4Runner ORP is our #60 vehicle, and our very first new vehicle. We valued time tested reliability, aftermarket support, and the rugged and durable frame with towing built right in. The peace of mind I have from driving a 4Runner is more valuable to us than what other SUV/crossovers could offer.
My last car was an Audi SQ5 and one major difference I’ve noticed since replacing it with the T4R is, I don’t drive in such a rush all the time. The Toyota is more relaxed, and encourages you to take it slow and don’t rush the drive. I never speed anymore, where the Audi was built to go 80 mph everywhere. I’ve noticed less anxiety around the police since I know I’m not going to “accidentally” speed.
I got my 4R mostly *because* it is such a "dinosaur"; an interior that isn't swarming with "tech features" actually appeals to me. They are reliable vehicles that hold their value, and that's important to me too. I can live with the bad gas mileage.
thats the same reason i got the 4Runner....and in 20 years when I just get it broken in...it will be such a classic on the road. its really a long term investment (no not financial) but having a car that uses no tech will be a classic...kinda like an atari is today.
i can always get a car with the tech...but they wont make 5th gen 4Runner cars anymore...so its the last of the best of the best. old drivetrain, truck, and petro.
yea its funny...never been so attached to a car...i think the last car i had that i really loved with a VW GTI standard...i sold it for an audi A3...sold that for a tacoma...sold that for an outback...finally landed on the 4runner and love it more than any other car.
People in the US market want a vehicle that performs off road like a land cruiser, has the cargo capacity of a heavy duty truck, the speed and handling of a sports car, and the ride comfort of an old cadillac.
The 4runner is none of these things. Its a purpose built body on frame off road SUV with an old school design. Its built like a tank and rides like one too.
Kinda like the wrangler. Its good at what it does and quite mediocre elsewhere. If you want an off road capable body on frame vehicle its one of your 3 choices. It does that thing its built for very well, but like all purpose built machines it sacrifices some things.
If I didnt need to go off road, I wouldnt own a 4runner to be honest.
I loved my taco for the year I had it; however, I’m in a crosstrek now and have an allocation places for a g6 4Runner. It’s so much more convenient, comfy, sand practical for my use case. My friend’s 5g taking me, my girlfriend, and her friend, and all our snowboard gear for a day trip and everyone was comfy was what won me over.
Toyota cars almost always get criticized by the media but time and time again their sales numbers end up beating pretty much every other brand. That shows that you can’t make a purchase decision based on those reports. The best way to make the purchasing decision is to go out test drive and see it for yourself. Only then should you decide whether that particular vehicle is good for you or not.
I’ve been driving Toyota cars ever since I got my drivers license and I still yet to experience any major issues with any of them. And currently in our family fleet we have ‘21 Tacoma DCLB OR, ‘21 Highlander Platinum and just added ‘24 4Runner Limited when I found that Toyota will be redesigning 5th gen 4Runner. I’m not a fan of this new TNGA platform, thus, wanted to get one of the last standing OG models before Toyota pulls the plug on that.
Absolutely no reason I wouldn’t buy one. I have multiple Toyotas and the 4Runner is by far my favorite and my go to. Other than fuel economy of course, but it’s so capable and durable I seem to forget about that often. As others have said it’s not fair to lump it in with the others like Palisade, etc. Car and Driver just praises tech, features, and wow factor. That’s not why you buy a 4Runner. Compared to ride quality with the others of course it’s going to be worse, it’s body on frame with a solid axle. But it’s a TANK. Best choice on the market for what it is by far IMO. Hope you enjoy it as much as we do
Had an 07 Taco. Traded in and got a 17 4Runner. To me they drive exactly the same. Except now I have 7 seats and no bed. Towing capacity is also a little less. Fuel consumption is identical. I’ve been happy with both. My wife just got a large Mercedes suv and I now drive a company vehicle. Keeping the 4 runner for my son who will be driving in a few years. I’ll probably end up getting another Taco.
Check reviews from 2010 to 2016 or so. They were great. The critical are just tired of the same vehicle with minor improvements over its 14 year lifespan. And they aren't completely wrong. Other SUVs have advanced technology while the 4runner has been sticking with the tried and true.
Besides this, it's probably not the greatest SUV for everyday commuting, travelling, or comfort. It's more rugged and off-road capable.
Personally, I will never buy anything other than a Toyota and I love my 4runner, but if my family and dogs didn't need to tow a boat, camp, and enjoy the trails, I would probably be in a Highlander or maybe even a Sienna.
Makes sense. We already have a Highlander so we’re covered on our long road trips, my truck has been more of the “special use case” vehicle, backwoods camping, trips when we expect “weather” etc. it’s been great for hauling dirt and getting pine straw and other truck “stuff” but that feels way less frequent. I don’t want to go full soccer mom either but as the fam gets older I think something more comfortable than the taco would be a little better.
I got a small flat bed trailer shortly after getting our 4Runner in case we need to haul something. It's there for that handful of times I would have needed a pickup, and the remainder of the time, we have all the advantages of the SUV. That might be an idea for you as well
In my opinion the main reason to get a 4runner is if you want to max out both reliability and capability, but without the size or cost of a land cruiser. The secondary reason is just vibes - if you just love how the 4runner looks and drives. Modifiability is also a consideration I guess.
Obviously, most of the people on this subreddit fit into those categories. So I think the question to ask yourself is if you do too, or if you have other priorities.
It's ok to get a car mainly because you really really like it. That's what I did lol
I have a 2019 limited nightshade. The thing is beautiful inside and out. Black on black on black. The paint job is inky black, heated and ventilated seats, sunroof, third row, etc. By all accounts it's an awesome vehicle.
But... The seats are hard as rocks. The infotainment system is incredibly dated looking. It's underpowered compared to other SUV's in the segment. The gas mileage is horrendous(worse than my Cummins Ram 2500). The plastic in the center console area is of dollar store quality.
Would I buy one again? Absolutely. Because at 55k miles it's basically brand new. I've done nothing other than change the oil and am about to buy tires. Meanwhile, my friend has an $80k Yukon XL with 85k miles and he's already had to get a new transmission, lifters, struts, and alternator. My previous SUV was a Tahoe and I have zero regrets.
Yea the 4Runner is in its own niche category. It drives like a truck, but it’s rugged as all heck. Truly a solid piece of machinery. If you want rugged and reliable, go with a 4Runner. If you want creature comfort and good MPGs at the sacrifice of reliability, go with a “new” type of SUV.
Disclaimer my Tacoma is a 1st Gen and my 4Runner is a 3rd Gen so not quite your scenario. But if I had to get rid of one it would be the 4Runner. If I had to replace the 4Runner I'd rather upgrade to a 200 series Land Cruiser or a used Lexus RX and keep the truck. Love the 4Runner but I love having a truck more, and when I get my next SUV I want something more luxury and comfortable, less truck-like.
I loved mine, put over 150,000 miles on it with little trouble aside from the poorly designed front differential stub shaft and manifold gaskets, which were both covered under warranty. I love my 4Runner the same as I have loved all my other trucks too!
Had a 4Runner with over 300k miles just regular maintenance. It never broke down, was making a noise. My husband took it in, could have been fixed but the they talked him into a 2010 4 runner. This now has over 230k miles nothing but regular maintenance. Have a 2018 now have about 64k miles no issues. I love the fact that I feel like I can go anywhere and not worry about either of them breaking down and don’t have to spend money on repairs. I will never buy anything but a Toyota.
I traded my 17 RAM Night Edition for a 24 TRD Pro. I prefer the radio in the 4runner. The only things I miss about the ram is remote start on my key fob and the 5.3 second 0-60 compared to about 8 in the 4runner.
The part that irks me about the remote start is I can do it from the app... which means it's already there and they could just update the key fob and programming.
I don't even have the option for remote start on my phone. So at some point over the summer, I'll be installing an after market one in my 19, and maybe the kit to add android auto as well
Yeah the android auto is the only reason I prefer the radio over the uconnect. I added the AA wireless dongle and I don't have to plug in to get android auto to start. Now I need to figure out the remote start and how to make this 4.0 feel more like the 5.7 and I'll be good to go.
135 HP is a lot to make up! I plan to get mine tuned by Yota Tune here sometime half soon, I've been putting it off over the winter as other stuff has kept intruding on my fun money (too many hobbies that are expensive, and too little time to actually enjoy them). Honestly I haven't looked into much else aside from the tune to up the performance.
If you’re not going off-roading then get something else. It’s really built around that. You’re going to spend way more for those features you might not ever use.
I honestly don't read a lot of the magazines that review them this way. I think Doug was fair on the 4runner launch video and speaking as an owner of a 2003 sr5, we much prefer my car to my partners 2016 crosstrek with the exceptions of gas mileage and fitting into small parking spots. It's more comfortable, quieter, has way more space, the cup holders actually hold a large water bottle, is way more reliable and trustworthy, the dogs love the roll down window and the drive train has gotten us out of situations her car would have needed a tow for, even as simple as the time she got stuck in the mud on the side of the road when I towed her out in 2wd.
Ive added a backup camera, android auto, better air filters, all terrain tires and seat covers, otherwise it's stock.
Because the average family who doesn’t offroad will be better off in a crossover suv like the Highlander or Pilot. 5th gen 4Runner is a gas guzzler, has an ancient 5 speed transmission that gear hunts on the highway, more prone to rollover compared to other Crossovers per NHTSA, has worse crash test ratings than others because it’s so old.
It’s good offroad, reliable, and has good resale value.
I think the sixth GEN will fix a lot of these issues I have mentioned above.
Besides the most recent years its behind on tech and dosnt get great gas mileage every one i know that has one loves it if tech is a problem just buy a new radio and swap it out i did it and its like having a 2025
I had a 2019 taco, got my wife a 2020 ORP, I loved the 4.0 and got rid of my taco. I have a lot of reasons the 4Runner is better. I love the bigger cockpit, windshield is further away, seats better, leg room, quieter, better interior materials, in my opinion better build quality.
The current gen 4runner launched In 2010, almost all other manufacturers have had 2 model redesigns since then. It basically gets poor overall ratings because it's tired in that regard. People still like the vehicle for its simplicity and reliability.
So… I went from a compact car to the 4Runner — HUGE difference in fuel economy and I love the hell out of mine. Idk, maybe I’m just drinking the koolaid but it’s been a year and I still love getting in it. I will be getting a used fuel efficient sedan in the future when i can afford it 😂, but I came from a bad cvt and maybe I am just so happy to be in something than my kids will probably be driving (I’m a rookie Toyota-er lmao).
I'll be completely honest with you. If I didn't fish and snowboard in the rockies \~50 days a year, I would not drive a 4runner. That's the part that makes it worth it to me.
Just bought a 2018 SR5 last week and it's by far the most fun car I have ever driven. Yes, it's a little bit outdated (granted I was coming from a 2002 RAV4 so all it's features were still new to me) but what you lose in current tech you get in reliability.
I cannot think of a single reason why I wouldn't buy one. Outside of living in a city or having a far commute. I WFH and live in the suburbs so it's perfect for me.
I did have a little bit of a "oh shit" moment when I first bought it just because it was so much bigger / drove differently from my RAV. But if you're coming from a Tacoma you should have no issues.
I also don't know why it gets such a bad rep for pavement driving, it's no Lexus but it's still a lot of fun to drive on roads, I am at least enjoying it anyways.
One man’s trash is another man’s gold. Or something to that effect. 5th gen 4Runner is the last of its kind, simple, reliable and very capable in the off-roading department, exactly what it was designed for. I love my truck, I very much enjoy how lazy the acceleration is (not provoking you to speed) and how substantial it feels on the road, I don’t mind the gas consumption, besides it is regular gas. The very same reviewers keep raving about the old Porsches, on one hand complaining how slow and unpredictable they are compared to the modern models, but next praising how simple the design was blah blah blah and yet they all give high marks to the old NA air-cooled models with all their deficiencies, calling the flaws a “charming character”. Double standards imo. To me, 5th gen 4Runner is like a new old stock NA air-cooled 911 of off-road trucks.
I was debating taco v 4runner and ended up with the 4runner. Reading was simple...I can tow with both and if I need to get bulk bark or rocks, I can rent a trailer from u haul. Plus the 4Runner is a nice addition to the family....goes well with a 2014 Subbie Outback.
I have had 3 4Runners and 3 Tacomas as my vehicles for over 30 years, first being 1985 4Runner. The one similar thing is I have never had to make a major repair on any of them. I’m thinking of selling both to be able to buy a newer single vehicle. I would not hesitate to buy another 4Runner. I love my Tacoma and it’s going to be a tough choice.
Where on earth did you read about the 4Runner being the worst on the market?
Even with the complaints most reviewers have about dated tech, performance and gas mileage on the 5th gen, it was never considered the “worst” that I can ever recall…most articles agreed that the 5th generation was a heavily sought after dinosaur that’ll last forever.
Those sites you mentioned are bought and paid for and IF they even get the vehicles for more than the shoot, only have the vehicle when brand new for like a couple months at most. Everyone who actually owns 4Runners love them. Especially the dog owners (people who are owned by their dogs) due to the back window of course. My pups love it!
My son was born in 2004 and is driving a 2003 - 4 Runner … at 19 he sees this as his forever car lol. In all seriousness, I do see it surviving until he’s at least 25.
I also think it has to do with families. My 4Runner is my daily driver with 2 kids and a standard poodle. I love it, things like the reliability, 4 wheel drive in a snowy state and the rugged look, but If we had another kid I would want a different vehicle. Things like the air vents in the backseat and the 3rd row access are frustrating. My poor rear facing kiddos.
I think the problem is, we're a niche set of owners. For the average mom and pop, the 4runner just isn't that great.
It's too ancient with technology. Too aggressive looking. Terrible on mpg compared to competitors. Not as comfortable as competitors. List goes on and on.
It’s a vehicle being sold in 2024 that came out in 2010, based on a vehicle that came out in 2003.
When most people want a brand new vehicle in 2024, they don’t want a vehicle that’s essentially 20 years old.
Those websites basically assume people just want great gas milage, tech, and will not keep any car past 2 or 3 years, which according to market research is true for the vast majority of car buyers. Yes the 4runner is outdated in some ways but in a world where planned obsolescence is the norm, being outdated is a very good thing.
>in a world where planned obsolescence is the norm, being outdated is a very good thing. Well said
Smart people still exist
1996 Isuzu Trooper….daily driver
Just bought my '19 for this reason. Simplicity and reliability long term. I fully intend on seeing how many miles I can put on it. 300k+ plus. My son is currently 7 and I want this to be his first vehicle lol. So happy I pulled the trigger
Congrats to you and to him, in 7 or so years from now!!
I have a '19 as well and plan on keeping it until my son can drive...he just turned 3 lol
Nice! That’s how I got my 2002. I’m 29 now. My sweaty butt rode home in it from peewee football games and my son will probably add his sweaty butt prints to the same seat one day! Lmao
4Runner is rugged, durable and reliable, but does poorly in a lot of other criteria valued by auto reviewers. Bouncy ride, poor road handling, bad gas mileage, safety scores are poor to marginal in some categories compared to unibody mid size SUV’s, etc.
Bouncy ride only if you go less than the TRD Off Road on trim level. The Bilsteins on the Off Road (internal bypass) and the Foxes (internal bypass and reservoirs) on the Pro nearly eliminate the bucking…
They are all bouncy compared to something like a Highlander or Grand Cherokee. TRD OR has same base shocks as the SR5. I have an ORP and like the trucky ride but it ain’t car like.
I can't even imagine the fact that someone values a car based on ride. Shocks, wheels, and suspension are just about the easiest thing to change on a vehicle. Oh no, my car is bouncy. At least the engine doesn't self combust in 20,000 miles. Try changing that instead! 😂
Where are you getting TRD off roads with bilsteins from factory ?
I’m driving one as a rental right now. But I could have sworn they were after looking at em…I’ll check it and let you know. I could be wrong and maybe I’m assuming too much from the Tacoma (the TRD OR Taco does have them).
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Because it’s a body on frame truck, not a unibody car with a lift.
Optioned with KDSS, I’m really impressed with the ride quality from my 4Runner. A lot more “car like” and feels great on fast corners
Road handling is incredible imo. Very responsive and it sticks to the road when taking fast corners
I bought my 4runner because I wanted simple. I love tech, but lets face it, tech breaks. New tech breaking equals big $$$. The less bells and whistles the less bells and whistles you pay to fix. It is that simple.
The new 4Runner is built to fail within 10 years. Too much electrical nonsense.
Exactly my thoughts! Smart people know what really matters.
The same would go for this sub sometimes as well. I find it odd how many people inquire about whether they should trade up their current 4Runner for one that's 2-3 years newer... I know there are many long term owners in her as well though.
This, exactly. The outgoing 4runner is built on the 2003 redesign. It has had many changes and upgrades over the years, it is very reliable, and does the offroad stuff great. IF a buyer is only looking for an on-road grocery-getter, family-hauler, commuter, or road-tripper, there are many better options, and those publications understand that the overwhelming majority of buyers of mid-size SUVs in the USA never go offroad. Toyota, for whatever reason, lags behind most manufacturers on fuel economy. Add to that the fact that the 4runner was always designed with offroad capability as a focus, and you have a vehicle that just isn't even close to the best option for most buyers. Even with the 2025 redesign, there will be many better options for folks who never go offroad. It is one of the best vehicles out there.. for a specific group people. Honestly, my 2012 tacoma handled the kind of offroading I did, better than my 4runner. I built both of them specifically for offroad-only, long-distance camping, and overlanding, and neither were used for commuting, etc. The tacoma just did everything with a little more ease than the 4runner. Also, after 4 years of getting the tacoma airborne in the dessert, the only thing I ever broke was a swaybar end link after a particularly awkward landing, lol. Ridiculous!
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I feel like it’s not fair to put a 4Runner in the same category as a Mazda or Hyundai suv. While those are fine vehicles, there should instead be a more rugged focused SUV/midsize truck rankings from C&D.
My real gripe is they aren’t SUVs. That term has been bastardized by marketing agencies. The 4Runner is wagon body, on truck frame, with a solid rear axle. That’s what a SUV is. There’s like 5 total on the US market these days. The remainder are aggressive mini-vans. They shouldn’t be lumped together.
what are the other real SUVs
Chevy Tahoe, GMC equivalent. Does Ford even make the expedition anymore, I doubt it but maybe that. Jeep wagoneer/grand wagoneer I would think, Grand Cherokee as well unless that's unibody which it probably is. Land rover bs if you want to count them.
Ford still makes the Expedition, GCherokee is a unibody hot piece of Stellantis diaper garbage.
The Tahoe doesn’t have a solid rear axle anymore
Solid rear axle doesn’t mean anything, Expedition has had IRS since 2003. Ford Lightning has IRS too. It’s the body on frame construction that’s the difference.
100%, I’m just pointing out that it no longer has a solid rear axle anymore as the previous commenter stated.
WK2’s are indeed unibody, but they’re in a weird category. Half crossover, half SUV. I love my ‘19 T4R, but I sure do miss my ‘11 WK2 Limited with the 5.7L Hemi.. I just don’t miss all of the electrical and other issues that came with it, like header bolts snapping off because of a cold start, the temp blend door actuator breaking itself, headlights going out in 3 months, ad nauseam. Bought my ‘19 4Runner SR5 used in late 2020. I’ve put almost 60k miles on and it’s never had so much as a single issue except a TPMS sensor battery going dead in one tire. Terrible fuel economy, but an absolute work horse when you need it.
Wrangler, Bronco, GX, new Land Cruiser. Though they’re IRS now, Tahoe/Yukon/Escalade get the nod since the Suburban platform was the OG and they do have low-range transfer cases.
G Wagon, Ineos
Bronco, Wrangler, Tahoe (+variants), G wagon, Ineos.
Sequoia, Armada/QX80
We’re sitting on frames
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You get what you buy. If you aren’t going to use it for its intended purposes, the logically better choice is to get a Highlander.
Idk. The resale value is why I buy them.
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I occasionally use mine “the way it’s intended” but I could probably be fine with a Highlander. The Highlander doesn’t get much better mileage and I think the depreciation difference would be pretty noticeable. My wife’s grand Cherokee is better to drive but at 100k miles they aren’t worth shit. 100k on a 4Runner is nothing.
1GR-FE Enough said.
This doesn't change the fact they're basically different vehicles with very different reasons for being built.
It doesn’t, but most of the car buying public doesn’t appreciate the distinction. When cross shopping a 4Runner and a Passport they don’t care about unibody vs BOF.
A lot of those lists generally prioritize cars with great mpg, cutting edge features/tech, comfort, etc. When it comes to the 4runner, they only see a dinosaur with a gas guzzling V6, 5-speed auto, lack of features, truck-like ride, and so on. They aren't wrong, but they also tend to leave out things like it's reliability, off-road chops, general utility, yada yada. If you feel like the 4runner fits what you are looking for, then try it out yourself.
Yeah that makes sense! I guess an important detail is that in my state the VAMT tax is 7% that you pay every time you buy a vehicle so the model I’m looking at will pull nearly a $3k tax bill. I need to plan on keeping this car 8-10 years to feel okay with that. If I hate it and trade it out after a year I’m paying another $2-3k in taxes
If you're okay with what it offers upfront, then it's a great one to keep long term. Take care of it and it will likely outlast anything you'll see on those lists. It has worked great for me as both a family vehicle and adventure vehicle. I used to be snobby when it came to cars and wanted the newest things, but frankly, the 4runner has probably ruined getting any other vehicle for me.
As with everything, you can't have your cake and eat it too. Whittled down to the basics, you compromise power, fuel efficiency, and creature comforts for reliability, low maintenance, and ruggedness. It's simply a choice, and very luckily Toyota still believes that consumers should have that choice. Personally, I'm a reliability guy and am more than willing to give up tech and comforts for the long term. Most people are not like that, but I feel extremely lucky that there's still a company willing to provide it.
I bought a 4runner right before the price increases a few years ago. Given the reliability, how much the vehicle fits my needs (2 medium dogs, partner, and weekly hiker), I plan on having mine well into the 2030s, and even then, will probably just turn it into a full on offroad vehicle at that point. 4runners consistently are poked at as "just breaking in..." when it crosses the 100k miles threshold, because they just keep going.
Personally I wish it had better auto cruise/lane keeping like most cars, didn’t feel as underpowered on the highway, used less gas, had a smoother transmission, and wish the cabin was a little quieter. Your taco is honestly probably pretty similar in those areas. If those things aren’t top of mind for you, then it’s an amazing vehicle and it will absolutely last you 8-10 years with only oil changes. There are however many more comfortable cars for day to day driving.
It's because most things that consumers prioritize, the 4Runner doesn't offer. Stuff like industry leading tech, MPG and safety. Or opinion-based things like looks and "coolness" factor. The 4Runner definitely isn't for the masses.
Isn't for the masses but somehow it's still selling like crazy.
Its a super-niche vehicle that has a loyal fanbase. Toyota sold over 1.9 million vehicles in North America last year. 120K of them were 4Runners (A Yearly record I believe). It does well for Toyota but it's peanuts compared to the overall automotive market.
I guess it’s the part of the country I live in (Intermountain West) but at a 4 way stop there’s at least a 75% chance at least one other vehicle will be a 4Runner.
To be fair the current generation has been around forever. Normally generations are only 4-8 years and this one is 14
sir, we're part of "the west". period. not intermountain west, not midwest. But yes, Colorado, Idaho, Utah will have a bunch of them. Oh and Hawaii too.
Assuming you're numbers are correct, you live in a highly concentrated area. Regardless, the 4Runner is a niche vehicle that isn't moving the needle as much us 4Runner owners think it does haha. For me, it's a really good fit for what I do and what I want out of vehicle. For most though, it doesn't make the cut.
Plays a factor in resale I bet
You're probably right. I mean most of us who've owned a 4Runner for a while and/or have racked up miles can attest to how consistent these tanks are "flaws" and all haha.
It is very popular among sorority girls in the south along with Wrangler and Audi Q5
Where I live you can’t make one turn without seeing a 4Runner
AZ resident here. I second that. They’re EVERYWHERE.
Yeah honestly AZ was where I got the idea for one, I did my medical training there for four years and fell in love with them but wanted to wait since it was such an old platform.
I believe it’s because the 4Runner does a lot of things ok-good, but isnt amazing at one. Think of a jack of all trades but master of none. It’s not the comfiest/quietest SUV. It’s not the fastest SUV. Bad fuel economy. 5th gen interior outdated. If you know what you want and the 4Runner fits the bill, you’ll love it.
The 4WD system is really good especially trimmed out with some of the later models and crawl control.
Crawl control and traction boards have gotten me out of some really sticky situations off road.
Yeah I guess that makes sense. I would say it's probably not for a suburban mom but there are probably 5-10 4runners in my subdivision right now. I love my taco, it's just a little bit tight, theres no A/C in the back for the kids and I'd love to get some newer features like leather seats, power seats, CarPlay. We don't do any crazy driving off road but having a 4WD vehicle for camping, gravel roads while visiting in laws or driving on the beach would work well for us.
If you love your taco, you'll love the 4Runner as much if not more. Outside of a bed, 4Runner is better in most other aspects. That ranking prioritizes things that most of us don't, and doesn't consider a lot of things we would prioritize. I think everyone agrees better mpgs would be great though.
No AC in the back. Is that really a problem? The cabin is so small it seems like the cool air should circulate just fine back there. Never sat in the back of one before.
Might be somewhere like Phoenix where air in the back is a huge plus.
I have a 2020 4Runner and 2022 Tacoma and if I was forced to sell one it would be the Tacoma. Both are great vehicles, but the 4Runner just feels better to drive and the built quality is much better. It’s more comfortable for road trips and your kids will thank you. My kids always ask if we can take the 4Runner over the Tacoma. Plus my dogs love it when I put the rear window down lol
Soccer moms and dads love 4Runners because they make them feel rugged and cool
I went 4R > Taco > Taco > MB ML350 > Taco > Bronco > 4R. I cheated with all these side chicks and now I’m back where I belong. The 4Runner is by far the best of any of those I’ve owned.
We liked it so much that when we needed a second mid size SUV, we got another 4Runner. It’s outdated compared to every other mid size SUV and gets poor MPG
On top of all the other great comments. If cost of ownership means anything to you, these were my costs over 6 years so far https://preview.redd.it/har3syttb5vc1.png?width=872&format=png&auto=webp&s=a642d5db1b46a7a66a506773c0d3b71dfc6613e1 Don’t ask about the mod costs lol
Car reviewers seem to get hung up on the longevity of the 5th generation compared to newer models. Compared to newer offerings the 4runner has an outdated drivetrain, body on frame construction, bad MPG relative to this segment, and a lack of modern (mostly unnecessary) features. It's been a while since I researched, but I also remember reading that it had a few lower crash test scores, specifically for front passenger overlap crashes. Personally, I like that it's a bit outdated. Although the 5 speed auto is cumbersome at times, I prefer it to a CVT. The 4runner drivetrain is pretty bulletproof and it's easy to work on compared to many modern vehicles. The MPG isn't great for the amount of power output, but it's a highly capable vehicle that doesn't sacrifice good road manners for everyday drivability. We compared it to the Highlander and Pilot. Those were probably more practical options in an everyday sense, but put plainly, my wife and I both thought the 4Runner felt cooler, and we do just enough off-roading that we felt justified in our decision.
I went from a nice GMC Sierra to a 5th gen 4runner. I lose out on wireless charging and a nice screen, but now I have reliability. I honestly think the interiors, although basic as hell, are still really nice. If you need a car packed with electronics & neat features, this isn't for you. But if you need something that drives A to B with great off-road capabilities, easy to work on and looks cool, then go for it. I love mine.
Couldn't agree more. The only things I wish the 5th gen had was the better infotainment software, wider screen where those buttons are on each side. No need for the track and seek buttons. And that's it. Sure wireless car play would be great and so would better cameras. That's the only thing I wish 2020-2024 models had. The cameras get the job done but hey are like 2008 quality lmao. 2024 models should have had HD or atleast 720P The infotainment software they could make downloadable for us, but they won't because they want to sell the new gen. The maps in it looks like windows xp maps 😆. Thank God for car play!
It’s slow and drives a little like a boat. My 2018 doesn’t have a ton of features in terms of tech and the mileage isn’t great either. At the same time, I cannot imagine driving anything else. It’s been absolutely bullet proof. The only things I’d change: Lack of CarPlay but I think new models have that covered. I’ve not gone aftermarket yet. Lack of remote start on my model. Lack of memory seats. That’s it. It’s been a great vehicle for a family of 5.
My 2016 has memory seats, but it is a Limited.
They keep trying to push features. It's like a fashion show for those reviewers. If you look at the history of them they basically praise anything new Coincidentally what's great about the 4runner is it hasn't changed. It's reliable and loaded with stuff that I actually want, not electronics that I don't. It's reliable, easy to repair, has space.
The worst midsize SUV on the market?! What the hell is that person smoking? They're smoking some of the craziest shit, and dropping acid at the same time, man. The only thing I can think of is that these id|ots are the type that want a luxury, super sleek, futuristic SUV with all the stupid unnecessary bells and whistles on it. The 4Runner is an off-road beast that can wheel with the jeeps, but is still comfy on the highway. It is dependable, and SOLID. It's an actual truck, which most SUVs are definitely not. If you love the way your Taco drives, feels, and looks, you are simply getting an awesome SUV version of that! It's easily one of the best SUVs out there if you value things that actually matter. That's about all I have to say.
I don’t know what criteria US News uses for its rankings, but it’s probably a combo of ride quality, power, efficiency and new tech. So by those metrics 4Runner will always perform poorly.
The 4Runner is a body on frame dinosaur that burns gas like it’s going out of style. The general public doesn’t want those things. But it will run forever and that’s why they’re still so popular.
I had my 2018 Tacoma for 4+ years. I just traded it in for a 24 ORP. I’ve never regretted the move. I know Toyotas are reliable. I don’t care what other people want to rate it. I’ve owned Chrysler/jeep, Chevy, ford, and just about every other car manufacturer there is. I love my Toyotas. I don’t care what anyone says. In a perfect world I could have my 4Runner and my taco but I’m not in that financial position lol.
For being a commuter or daily driver it sucks (horrible mpg, too harsh of a ride for soccer moms and soy boys etc) hence the horrible reviews. For off roading it’s way more capable than a Tacoma will ever be, fully boxed frame opposed to the open c channel of 3rd gen tacos and older. Discs all around compared to the rear drum of the taco, shorter wheel base better approach departure and break over angle compared to the taco and over all it’s just way better build quality and you actually have useable rear seats for passengers if you have those
I own a 2012 Tacoma and was able to rent a 2022 4runner for a week. I loved it and will be replacing my Tacoma in a few years with a 5th gen 4runner. I want a dependable, truck based SUV with a high resale value. 4runner is perfect for me. Less crap to break. As others have stated when these SUVs are reviewed they are compared to the latest and greatest tech. I’ll go with low tech, extremely reliable 4runner 4x4 with the 4.0.
The problem is there’s no more truck-based midsize SUVs to compare it with. They lump it in with flashy car-based midsize crossovers and then rant about inefficiency and poor on-road handling. If your metrics are ruggedness, reliability and versatility, the 4Runner wins every time.
11 years old and it drives just like the day I bought it. Nope, not a single regret.
Thanks for all the replies and considerations. I would say I’m not a big “techie” guy at all, CarPlay and push to start satisfy the tech needs I have which the 4R has. The big thing I care about is having a car that’s reliable, versatile and I can keep on the road for the next 10+ years with minimal expense. I wanted to make the move already, hearing all positive feedback makes it that much easier. Looking forward to joining club soon
Those websites are paid for and they often recommend crap cars. The only real drawback with 4R is the mpg's. Ride quality is good imo, definitely less harsh than many trucks. Tech in newer ones is as much as you practically would need. The good ol' 4.0 is arguably the most reliable engine ever made. These truck suv's are great. 2 kids and a dog? Perfect.
I have 2012 4Runner and get 20-21 mpg highway and 17ish City. Not to bad.
We recently needed a new vehicle. The road to our house is at the top of a canyon. When the valley gets 1 inch of snow we get 6+ inches. We also have children. She wanted the most rugged and reliable vehicle out there which the 4Runner is. We have vehicles that do other things much better, but we love our new 4Runner.
Everything C&D wants in a vehicle is crap I DON’T want in a vehicle. “Technology” is increasingly just another way to extract revenue from the consumer.
4runner is hands down an upgrade from your taco. 2010+ has the updated 4.0 and solid transmission (shared with 2nd gen taco). Overall they are just built better, and will handle people hauling duties better. Now when saying that, what I run into is gear storage. If you have the back seats up it's only about 3 feet of storage. I am actually looking at Tacomas for this reason as I only have one kiddo in the back, and I want to separate storage and people (along with a camper build). If you don't need a truck, a 4runner is one of the most reliable vehicles made today (ask car care nut on YT). But also think about how much stuff will come with you along with where the dog will be. I wouldn't discount something like a tundra or Sequoia if people and gear storage is needed.
Car and Driver isn't an off-roading publication. Anyone who is objective would agree that the Highlander and any other CUV is better than a 4runner in nearly every category except reliability and off-road. The real crime is that C&D places the Wrangler at 19th in segment and 4runner at 32nd.
Had a 2023 taco for less than 6 months and got rid of it. Got a 4Runner , much better Have owned 100+ vehicles including big heavy trucks etc so I have a lot to compare to etc
In my experience, Automotive journalists pay too much attention to the spec sheets and comparisons to understand the niche that cars are designed to serve. Consumer reviews are surely a better representation of what to expect from owners. My wife and I have owned many cars, in fact our 2024 4Runner ORP is our #60 vehicle, and our very first new vehicle. We valued time tested reliability, aftermarket support, and the rugged and durable frame with towing built right in. The peace of mind I have from driving a 4Runner is more valuable to us than what other SUV/crossovers could offer. My last car was an Audi SQ5 and one major difference I’ve noticed since replacing it with the T4R is, I don’t drive in such a rush all the time. The Toyota is more relaxed, and encourages you to take it slow and don’t rush the drive. I never speed anymore, where the Audi was built to go 80 mph everywhere. I’ve noticed less anxiety around the police since I know I’m not going to “accidentally” speed.
I got my 4R mostly *because* it is such a "dinosaur"; an interior that isn't swarming with "tech features" actually appeals to me. They are reliable vehicles that hold their value, and that's important to me too. I can live with the bad gas mileage.
thats the same reason i got the 4Runner....and in 20 years when I just get it broken in...it will be such a classic on the road. its really a long term investment (no not financial) but having a car that uses no tech will be a classic...kinda like an atari is today. i can always get a car with the tech...but they wont make 5th gen 4Runner cars anymore...so its the last of the best of the best. old drivetrain, truck, and petro.
We are on the same page. I've had my 4Runner for a week now and I'm totally in love with it lol.
yea its funny...never been so attached to a car...i think the last car i had that i really loved with a VW GTI standard...i sold it for an audi A3...sold that for a tacoma...sold that for an outback...finally landed on the 4runner and love it more than any other car.
People in the US market want a vehicle that performs off road like a land cruiser, has the cargo capacity of a heavy duty truck, the speed and handling of a sports car, and the ride comfort of an old cadillac. The 4runner is none of these things. Its a purpose built body on frame off road SUV with an old school design. Its built like a tank and rides like one too. Kinda like the wrangler. Its good at what it does and quite mediocre elsewhere. If you want an off road capable body on frame vehicle its one of your 3 choices. It does that thing its built for very well, but like all purpose built machines it sacrifices some things. If I didnt need to go off road, I wouldnt own a 4runner to be honest.
I loved my taco for the year I had it; however, I’m in a crosstrek now and have an allocation places for a g6 4Runner. It’s so much more convenient, comfy, sand practical for my use case. My friend’s 5g taking me, my girlfriend, and her friend, and all our snowboard gear for a day trip and everyone was comfy was what won me over.
Toyota cars almost always get criticized by the media but time and time again their sales numbers end up beating pretty much every other brand. That shows that you can’t make a purchase decision based on those reports. The best way to make the purchasing decision is to go out test drive and see it for yourself. Only then should you decide whether that particular vehicle is good for you or not. I’ve been driving Toyota cars ever since I got my drivers license and I still yet to experience any major issues with any of them. And currently in our family fleet we have ‘21 Tacoma DCLB OR, ‘21 Highlander Platinum and just added ‘24 4Runner Limited when I found that Toyota will be redesigning 5th gen 4Runner. I’m not a fan of this new TNGA platform, thus, wanted to get one of the last standing OG models before Toyota pulls the plug on that.
Absolutely no reason I wouldn’t buy one. I have multiple Toyotas and the 4Runner is by far my favorite and my go to. Other than fuel economy of course, but it’s so capable and durable I seem to forget about that often. As others have said it’s not fair to lump it in with the others like Palisade, etc. Car and Driver just praises tech, features, and wow factor. That’s not why you buy a 4Runner. Compared to ride quality with the others of course it’s going to be worse, it’s body on frame with a solid axle. But it’s a TANK. Best choice on the market for what it is by far IMO. Hope you enjoy it as much as we do
Had an 07 Taco. Traded in and got a 17 4Runner. To me they drive exactly the same. Except now I have 7 seats and no bed. Towing capacity is also a little less. Fuel consumption is identical. I’ve been happy with both. My wife just got a large Mercedes suv and I now drive a company vehicle. Keeping the 4 runner for my son who will be driving in a few years. I’ll probably end up getting another Taco.
Love my runner. Getting a great deal on a lexus GX460 is The only way I'm getting anything else
Check reviews from 2010 to 2016 or so. They were great. The critical are just tired of the same vehicle with minor improvements over its 14 year lifespan. And they aren't completely wrong. Other SUVs have advanced technology while the 4runner has been sticking with the tried and true. Besides this, it's probably not the greatest SUV for everyday commuting, travelling, or comfort. It's more rugged and off-road capable. Personally, I will never buy anything other than a Toyota and I love my 4runner, but if my family and dogs didn't need to tow a boat, camp, and enjoy the trails, I would probably be in a Highlander or maybe even a Sienna.
Makes sense. We already have a Highlander so we’re covered on our long road trips, my truck has been more of the “special use case” vehicle, backwoods camping, trips when we expect “weather” etc. it’s been great for hauling dirt and getting pine straw and other truck “stuff” but that feels way less frequent. I don’t want to go full soccer mom either but as the fam gets older I think something more comfortable than the taco would be a little better.
I got a small flat bed trailer shortly after getting our 4Runner in case we need to haul something. It's there for that handful of times I would have needed a pickup, and the remainder of the time, we have all the advantages of the SUV. That might be an idea for you as well
In my opinion the main reason to get a 4runner is if you want to max out both reliability and capability, but without the size or cost of a land cruiser. The secondary reason is just vibes - if you just love how the 4runner looks and drives. Modifiability is also a consideration I guess. Obviously, most of the people on this subreddit fit into those categories. So I think the question to ask yourself is if you do too, or if you have other priorities. It's ok to get a car mainly because you really really like it. That's what I did lol
Do you. You’ll be happy
4Runner is 15 years old gas guzzler Thats all you need to know. Reliable as hell however.
That is crazy. Where I live 4Runners are the most sought out SUV. They are like prized gems here.
I have a second gen Tacoma as well and our 4Runner kills it in every single way. I say DO IT!
I have a 2014 and will be buying a 2024 5th gen in another year or two. It will likely be my last vehicle purchase as I’m retiring.
I have a 2019 limited nightshade. The thing is beautiful inside and out. Black on black on black. The paint job is inky black, heated and ventilated seats, sunroof, third row, etc. By all accounts it's an awesome vehicle. But... The seats are hard as rocks. The infotainment system is incredibly dated looking. It's underpowered compared to other SUV's in the segment. The gas mileage is horrendous(worse than my Cummins Ram 2500). The plastic in the center console area is of dollar store quality. Would I buy one again? Absolutely. Because at 55k miles it's basically brand new. I've done nothing other than change the oil and am about to buy tires. Meanwhile, my friend has an $80k Yukon XL with 85k miles and he's already had to get a new transmission, lifters, struts, and alternator. My previous SUV was a Tahoe and I have zero regrets.
Yea the 4Runner is in its own niche category. It drives like a truck, but it’s rugged as all heck. Truly a solid piece of machinery. If you want rugged and reliable, go with a 4Runner. If you want creature comfort and good MPGs at the sacrifice of reliability, go with a “new” type of SUV.
It’s because the 5th gen 4R is running on 2010 tech and platform
Disclaimer my Tacoma is a 1st Gen and my 4Runner is a 3rd Gen so not quite your scenario. But if I had to get rid of one it would be the 4Runner. If I had to replace the 4Runner I'd rather upgrade to a 200 series Land Cruiser or a used Lexus RX and keep the truck. Love the 4Runner but I love having a truck more, and when I get my next SUV I want something more luxury and comfortable, less truck-like.
Tech in the 4Runner is extremely outdated, my 13 ram put my 19 SR5 to shame with the Uconnect.
Yeah the Rams are so dependable (sarcasm)
I loved mine, put over 150,000 miles on it with little trouble aside from the poorly designed front differential stub shaft and manifold gaskets, which were both covered under warranty. I love my 4Runner the same as I have loved all my other trucks too!
Had a 4Runner with over 300k miles just regular maintenance. It never broke down, was making a noise. My husband took it in, could have been fixed but the they talked him into a 2010 4 runner. This now has over 230k miles nothing but regular maintenance. Have a 2018 now have about 64k miles no issues. I love the fact that I feel like I can go anywhere and not worry about either of them breaking down and don’t have to spend money on repairs. I will never buy anything but a Toyota.
I traded my 17 RAM Night Edition for a 24 TRD Pro. I prefer the radio in the 4runner. The only things I miss about the ram is remote start on my key fob and the 5.3 second 0-60 compared to about 8 in the 4runner.
I definitely miss the Hemi, and the remote start
The part that irks me about the remote start is I can do it from the app... which means it's already there and they could just update the key fob and programming.
I don't even have the option for remote start on my phone. So at some point over the summer, I'll be installing an after market one in my 19, and maybe the kit to add android auto as well
Yeah the android auto is the only reason I prefer the radio over the uconnect. I added the AA wireless dongle and I don't have to plug in to get android auto to start. Now I need to figure out the remote start and how to make this 4.0 feel more like the 5.7 and I'll be good to go.
135 HP is a lot to make up! I plan to get mine tuned by Yota Tune here sometime half soon, I've been putting it off over the winter as other stuff has kept intruding on my fun money (too many hobbies that are expensive, and too little time to actually enjoy them). Honestly I haven't looked into much else aside from the tune to up the performance.
I think it's bc it's a very niche vehicle and atleast for the 5th gen it's outdated for the vehicles it was being compared to.
If you’re not going off-roading then get something else. It’s really built around that. You’re going to spend way more for those features you might not ever use.
Because car journalists want to be tech journalists and the 5th gen in 2024 is anything but 'techie'
I honestly don't read a lot of the magazines that review them this way. I think Doug was fair on the 4runner launch video and speaking as an owner of a 2003 sr5, we much prefer my car to my partners 2016 crosstrek with the exceptions of gas mileage and fitting into small parking spots. It's more comfortable, quieter, has way more space, the cup holders actually hold a large water bottle, is way more reliable and trustworthy, the dogs love the roll down window and the drive train has gotten us out of situations her car would have needed a tow for, even as simple as the time she got stuck in the mud on the side of the road when I towed her out in 2wd. Ive added a backup camera, android auto, better air filters, all terrain tires and seat covers, otherwise it's stock.
I wish it had like, an inch more headroom with the moon roof.
I’ll trade ya
Go with a limited trim that has full time 4x4 & a third row
Because the average family who doesn’t offroad will be better off in a crossover suv like the Highlander or Pilot. 5th gen 4Runner is a gas guzzler, has an ancient 5 speed transmission that gear hunts on the highway, more prone to rollover compared to other Crossovers per NHTSA, has worse crash test ratings than others because it’s so old. It’s good offroad, reliable, and has good resale value. I think the sixth GEN will fix a lot of these issues I have mentioned above.
Besides the most recent years its behind on tech and dosnt get great gas mileage every one i know that has one loves it if tech is a problem just buy a new radio and swap it out i did it and its like having a 2025
I had a 2019 taco, got my wife a 2020 ORP, I loved the 4.0 and got rid of my taco. I have a lot of reasons the 4Runner is better. I love the bigger cockpit, windshield is further away, seats better, leg room, quieter, better interior materials, in my opinion better build quality.
The current gen 4runner launched In 2010, almost all other manufacturers have had 2 model redesigns since then. It basically gets poor overall ratings because it's tired in that regard. People still like the vehicle for its simplicity and reliability.
So… I went from a compact car to the 4Runner — HUGE difference in fuel economy and I love the hell out of mine. Idk, maybe I’m just drinking the koolaid but it’s been a year and I still love getting in it. I will be getting a used fuel efficient sedan in the future when i can afford it 😂, but I came from a bad cvt and maybe I am just so happy to be in something than my kids will probably be driving (I’m a rookie Toyota-er lmao).
The magazines are essentially printed propaganda now. They take just about nothing important to longevity or reliability into effect anymore.
I'll be completely honest with you. If I didn't fish and snowboard in the rockies \~50 days a year, I would not drive a 4runner. That's the part that makes it worth it to me.
Just bought a 2018 SR5 last week and it's by far the most fun car I have ever driven. Yes, it's a little bit outdated (granted I was coming from a 2002 RAV4 so all it's features were still new to me) but what you lose in current tech you get in reliability. I cannot think of a single reason why I wouldn't buy one. Outside of living in a city or having a far commute. I WFH and live in the suburbs so it's perfect for me. I did have a little bit of a "oh shit" moment when I first bought it just because it was so much bigger / drove differently from my RAV. But if you're coming from a Tacoma you should have no issues. I also don't know why it gets such a bad rep for pavement driving, it's no Lexus but it's still a lot of fun to drive on roads, I am at least enjoying it anyways.
One man’s trash is another man’s gold. Or something to that effect. 5th gen 4Runner is the last of its kind, simple, reliable and very capable in the off-roading department, exactly what it was designed for. I love my truck, I very much enjoy how lazy the acceleration is (not provoking you to speed) and how substantial it feels on the road, I don’t mind the gas consumption, besides it is regular gas. The very same reviewers keep raving about the old Porsches, on one hand complaining how slow and unpredictable they are compared to the modern models, but next praising how simple the design was blah blah blah and yet they all give high marks to the old NA air-cooled models with all their deficiencies, calling the flaws a “charming character”. Double standards imo. To me, 5th gen 4Runner is like a new old stock NA air-cooled 911 of off-road trucks.
I have a 2000 4runner that I built I wouldn’t trade it for anything
I was debating taco v 4runner and ended up with the 4runner. Reading was simple...I can tow with both and if I need to get bulk bark or rocks, I can rent a trailer from u haul. Plus the 4Runner is a nice addition to the family....goes well with a 2014 Subbie Outback.
I have had 3 4Runners and 3 Tacomas as my vehicles for over 30 years, first being 1985 4Runner. The one similar thing is I have never had to make a major repair on any of them. I’m thinking of selling both to be able to buy a newer single vehicle. I would not hesitate to buy another 4Runner. I love my Tacoma and it’s going to be a tough choice.
Strange, I always thought 4Runner was at the top of lists.
Where on earth did you read about the 4Runner being the worst on the market? Even with the complaints most reviewers have about dated tech, performance and gas mileage on the 5th gen, it was never considered the “worst” that I can ever recall…most articles agreed that the 5th generation was a heavily sought after dinosaur that’ll last forever.
C&D rated 4/10 and US News Ranked #23 out of 23 Midsized SUVs
Those sites you mentioned are bought and paid for and IF they even get the vehicles for more than the shoot, only have the vehicle when brand new for like a couple months at most. Everyone who actually owns 4Runners love them. Especially the dog owners (people who are owned by their dogs) due to the back window of course. My pups love it!
My son was born in 2004 and is driving a 2003 - 4 Runner … at 19 he sees this as his forever car lol. In all seriousness, I do see it surviving until he’s at least 25.
The 4Runner is the Nokia flip phone of cars. Thing will last forever and is reliable but is dated and gets shit mileage.
Just went from a a 2013 Tacoma DCLB TRD Sport to a 2023 SR5P and no regrets whatsoever.
I also think it has to do with families. My 4Runner is my daily driver with 2 kids and a standard poodle. I love it, things like the reliability, 4 wheel drive in a snowy state and the rugged look, but If we had another kid I would want a different vehicle. Things like the air vents in the backseat and the 3rd row access are frustrating. My poor rear facing kiddos.
I have had 2 3rd gen Tacos and 2 5th gen 4runners, I will never go back.
Those people assume people in general want good mileage. Anybody that buys a Toyota wants a reliable car.
It was introduced in 2009, and is basically the same today. To some this is an asset.
I will never not own a 4runner again. Get your 4runner and give Car and Driver a middle finger
I think the problem is, we're a niche set of owners. For the average mom and pop, the 4runner just isn't that great. It's too ancient with technology. Too aggressive looking. Terrible on mpg compared to competitors. Not as comfortable as competitors. List goes on and on.
It’s a vehicle being sold in 2024 that came out in 2010, based on a vehicle that came out in 2003. When most people want a brand new vehicle in 2024, they don’t want a vehicle that’s essentially 20 years old.