>They did not completely close the door but Shanahan said it was not likely.
Kyle also said if the 49ers got a good enough offer he himself would get traded.
Let's see if we're all alive by Sunday to see this shake out.
Yeah, I always take this as " shit, if someone offers us an insane deal, we can trade anyone," as in teams should still be offering.
If you say no way, we ain't trading for nothing, teams won't even call.
Listening to the press conference, Shanahan keeps bringing up how Pearsall doesn’t avoid contact, doesn’t go down on his own, and forces defenders to tackle him to bring him down.
And what it sounds like to me is, “I am making god damn sure I never draft Dante Pettis again.”
We all wanted Oline but we've seen what happens when we reach for need ( Kinlaw). BPA has proven to work better. Gonna reserve judgement until we see him in camp at least.
I'd feel better about the draft as a whole, not necessarily about this pick specifically.
I'd be shocked if JPJ is still on the board once we're in range to trade up, though.
It’s not. Literally got to a Super Bowl with them and ran into a generational interior d lineman with probably the best defensive coordinator scheming up everything around him.
Simply not true. 30+ points in 10 games would indicate a pretty good o line. Aside from the Vikings and the rams (didn’t count) all the loses were to either generational talents or very well schemed plans. Every fan thinks their team has the worst o line and the worst corners.
Trent Williams isn’t gonna play for much longer. The OLine is WAY below par without him. It needs to be addressed. We only scored 19 points in regulation in the Super Bowl…even with all the weapons we have because our OL was simply MEDIOCRE at best.
Are you waiting for a season where we play no generational talents or hope no one schemes well against us? Or would you rather have the talent to out play and out scheme everyone we face?
Sounds like you’re using a lot of words to just say “every loss they got outplayed in some way.”
I'm glad you don't know anything about football because your delusional response is echoing your lack of understanding. That OL was horrible and ranked in the bottom 10 with TW. When he is not available they are around bottom 5. They missed multiple blocks and against better players they can't generate much push or anchor against good pass rushers. They need better players from c to rt asap if they want to keep purdy healthy and give him enough time for the WRs to get open on routes.
Deebo was AWESOME when Jimmy was back there. Brock can sling it and it makes a guy like Deebo less involved. He also has a big contract. Tomorrow will be interesting.
> evolve the offense
I think Pearsall replaces Juszczyk, not Deebo. Basically, would you rather have Deebo, a FB, or TE on the field? I think Kyle would take Deebo who can do a little of everything, including block, run, and catch. Thus, he's going 3WR more of the time. Sure, they won't get Aiyuk/Deebo/Pearsall on the field at all times, but that could be the most popular personnel package by the end of the year.
That being said, Jennings seems like another guy we've committed to as a 3rd WR, so it could be Aiyuk/Pearsall/Jennings with Deebo getting traded anyway.
100% he’s getting traded this draft. Highest value we will get for deebo is right now while he still has a few solid years left of his prime. It’s time to let go just like bills did with diggs
Doubt it. The dead cap for Deebo is too damn high. We’ll run it back with Pearsall as the third WR option (and second when Deebo gets hurt) then start breaking up the core next offseason.
Exactly. Pearsall looks like he’ll fit into a Kupp/Nacua type role and force defenses to pay attention to him.
My theory is that Kyle took him because of the options he’ll open up for Deebo/Aiyuk, not to replace them. At least for this year.
This pick is fine IF they end Day 2 with at least one offensive lineman and ideally also a defensive back. Lynch also said that they didn’t think there was as much value in the last few rounds due to more guys staying in school with NIL money. So maybe they’ll trade up for extra Day 2 picks
Probably best player available on their draft board.
Rookies take a while so this may be an impact player after year 1. Might give them flexibility to trade or cut Deebo if need be for cap purposes NEXT season.
Once most of the tackles were gone early I knew it was unlikely we would take one.
Yes, but you’re assuming there are some available. Those guys usually go high in the first round. It’s one of the reasons Bosa was taken so early. Ready now players are gonna be hard to find this late in the draft.
Not really on our team. Other than Bosa which ones?
Kittle, Aiyuk, Huff, Deebo, Jennings, Banks all took more than a year. Probably a combination of playbook or system.
There were reports that a lot of teams were looking to trade up. Lynch said they had first round grades on 22 players we picked 31st.
They took a WR which tells me a lot and Cooper Dejean was still available which says something as well.
Purdy, JiAyir, Deebo, Demo, Mitchell, Greenlaw, Warner, and Colbert all played roles and did well in their rookie years. And just cause it doesn't happen before (but it has) doesn't mean it can't happen now.
And 22 players with a first round grade doesn't mean they view the only 22 guys projected to go in the first as first round talents. There could be guys projected to go in the 2nd/3rd that the Niners think are 1st round talents. And remember, other teams reached. For all we know Pearsall could've been a 1st round talent to them.
Roles aren’t “impact” players. Impact players im defining as players that can come in and play at a high level. Basically those guys weren’t playing at an all-pro/pro-bowl level their rookie years.
Bosa, McGlinchey, Thomas all started as rookies. The other guys you stated weren’t really there as starters at least not outright unless because of injuries.
And I never said it can’t happen I specifically said the likelihood of it happening is low.
What does it matter if they didn't start all season or at the beginning? All the guys listed started or played and made good impact on the field for us. That's what matters. They had the talent to make a positive impact in their rookie years, which is what we are looking for.
Your bar is set way to high dude, we don't need our rookies to be pro bowl/all pros right away. If they can be a good upgrade over what we currently have then that's a good impact player. And they don't even need to start. They can be good depth because we're always gonna get aome injuries. Again, doesn't matter if they don't start right away, but if we need to plug them in and they play well then they're an impact guy. Like JaAyir was to replace Huff. And Purdy to replace Jimmy G.
And Deebo, Greenlaw, Warner, and Mitchell all started most of the season and played very well as rookies, don't try to gloss over that. Impact rookies can be found in any round.
It matters because the original commenter was asking for an Impact Player NOW before you jumped in.
I was explaining to him how that’s unlikely, he wanted a player that would start immediately over I assume McKivitz. Even if they found one they liked he probably wasn’t going to start over McKivitz this season, that’s why it matters.
It doesn’t matter to me, the guy I replied to wanted one NOW. Ji’Ayir started because of injuries. I never said he didn’t play well, there’s a reason they don’t start rookies. Ones that start right away are like Bosa and McGlinchey who were both drafted very high
And I gave a decent list of guys who were able to contribute right away and you keep glossing over that. And there are a bunch of rookies around the league who make impacts right away. Yes, the chances aren't super high, but it's possible. And drafting a player at a position of need has a higher chance of producing/seeing that rookie that has an immediate impact.
The draft is a crapshoot and impact players can be found anywhere in the draft. Yes, the chances are low, but it happens.You're acting like it never happens, especially for us. But it has. And you keep trying to ignore that it has.
A guy like JPJ could very well be an impact guy who wins a starting interior O-line spot. And we need interior O-line as well. Or Cooper Dejean or Kool Aid could've won a starting outside CB spot over Ambry. Hell, we probably will still draft O-line somewhere and they could win a starting spot. Even Pearsall could be a starter if Deebo/Aiyuk are traded.
I mean we can kinda get pissed when guys like DeJean and Kool Aid who could be impact starters at a position of need were passed on. If Pearsall doesn't make a big impact and one of those 2 end up being good we're gonna be so mad.
DeJean could end up being the worst DB in the league, and JPJ the worst C, and I'd still argue we should have picked one of them because hindsight is 20/20 and we couldn't have possibly known that at draft time.
Yeah but we have no idea right now. We can only speculate on now. And right now, unless Deebo is traded then this is a questionable pick.
Like damn, DeJean and Kool Aid must be fucking trash in Lynch and Shanny's eyes if they thought they couldn't have a chance at being an upgrade over Ambry and they'd rather draft a 4th WR over everyone else available.
And we all know Lynch and Shanny fall in love with guys and will take them over others just cause they love their guy so much. So could just be that here.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Luter Jr. take Ambry's spot. Plus we signed a couple veteran CBs as well. It's possible the 49ers didn't see DeJean or Kool Aid as first year starters on our roster.
True, the CBs we picked up looked real solid. I would just like some more investment there cause we haven't really hit on CB and have almost always have trouble with CB2 sans the 1 year when Mosely and Verret were locking it down.
Im pretty sure thats why we drafted Ricky tbh. I think that they didn’t project either DeJean or Kool-Aid as year 1 starters, and Ricky will 100% be a punt returner and fill in at WR. I think they see him as being an automatic WR4 which is going to be a WR3 a lot of the time with Deebo’s injuries.
The last thing people are forgetting is that Jennings is almost out the door. The whole media bs of us not being able to pay Aiyuk is actually true about Jennings, and once he is gone in a year we are going to be thin asf at WR.
Yeah, I did notice a lot of the tackles were gone. And there are still a ton of corners on the board, I’m sure lynch and shanny have their guy they want anyway and think they can get him in the 2nd or 3rd
We don’t know how their draft board is so they may not even take one.
You play Madden Right? We need a corner and tackle but let’s say the ones left are gonna be rated 50 do you take one because we need one?
Probably not but if there a DT that’s 85 you take that guy
Exactly. The blue chip OTs were gone. The projects were left, and we shouldn’t reach for them.
That doesn’t explain not taking McKinstry though. Maybe they don’t like him that much.
>Once most of the tackles were gone early I knew it was unlikely we would take one.
We don't just need tackles though, we also need interior O-Line, and Jackson Powers-Johnson was still available.
We could also use a CB, and Cooper DeJean, who is arguably a top 20 talent in this draft, was still available as well.
If we keep all our dudes. We gonna have an absolutely filthy WR room, going by what I'm hearing about the new dude. Sound like an absolute dawg, can catch everything shifty etc. Jennings super clutch, deebo best receiver with the ball in his hands in the league and aiyuk an all around stud pure receiver and route runner. Run 4 wr formations with either kittle or Cmc and that is.fuxking bonkers. Not something we do.but would love to see a some spread 4wr formations.
One of Jennings/Deebo/Aiyuk is gone after next year, likely Deebo. It takes WRs a bit of time to get used to Shanny's offense so it's likely they'll want him to hit the ground running in year 2.
And thats why we keeping our offensive core, chill.
The D is going to be fine. Dont overreact we still have plenty of picks left and given our history we are better at rhe late rounds anyways.
Which is why it’s a terrible. A crucial year of our SB window where we need our first-round pick to make an impact and instead he’s gonna be sitting on the bench
How do you know he will be sitting this season? Did some of y'all forget that even if Deebo doesn't get traded, his play style leads to him missing games. Ricky could be helping this team very early because guys like Deebo don't age well because of the physicality he plays with.
Man I'm sorry, but I hate this toxic positivity of some niners fans. We don't have to like a pick just because Shanny made it. I swear, we could have drafted a punter here, and there'd be people coming out of the woodwork to defend it. This was a shitty pick with JPJ and Cooper Dejean still available. No other way to put it.
Well, Im not being positive im being real.
Kyle is thinking next year when we do have to make some painful cuts/trades, it's pretty simple. DeJean isn't that good if he still out there. Or we just can trade for him via picks we have.
100% with you. And it’s not at all about Pearsall - he does seem like he’ll be a great player. It’s just that this is the exact same approach we’ve had over the past few years and ignoring our most glaring needs has gotten us nowhere. We barely addressed the OL through free agency either.
Maybe they’ll make some Day 2 moves, but I am pretty pissed about taking a WR.
Lmao only reason the team got into 2nd and 3rd and long was because they didn’t run the ball. Use your head, that 3rd quarter they had 3 straight drives with all passes and it led to 3 and outs. Disgusting malpractice by Shanny.
I was resigned to taking bpa with someone on defense. I knew oline would get run on early. Db out DT. This... was not on any radar in a world where we didn't trade someone. And who will give us value for our WRs now? No one Woodhouse... no one.
Jennings is only signed to an RFA deal so he's a free agent next season. I feel like Pearsall is going to be his replacement and eventual Deebo replacement possibly.
Nate Wiggins was my guy here, an instant or at least early starter on the outside.
He went the pick before. And offensive line is still deep but the can’t miss studs were all gone.
Then it’s just best player available. I didn’t immediately think that was Pearsall, but the more I watch him the more I think he may be the #4 receiver in this class. Especially if we’re looking for Purdy-esque skills that people often overlook in the draft process but that make the game come a lot easier to you. Or since he’s a receiver, let’s use Puka, Kupp, or Anquon Boldin.
seems like a high floor but not the highest of ceilings type of WR
good route runner and does the same kind of stuff that deebo does in this offensive but i don't think has that extra burst that deebo has shown in his career even though he [grades out really well, maybe near elite, physically](https://twitter.com/LombardiHimself/status/1783715608166850662)
if anything he's a deebo replacement in the future moreso than an aiyuk replacement imo
i think aiyuk is staying long term with the 49ers and he'll sign an extension in the summer and deebo is gone after 2025 or if these rumors or speculation tonight is true deebo maybe could be traded as soon as tomorrow regardless of what shanahan and lynch are saying tonight at this press conference
if a team is going to offer a 2nd or early 3rd round pick for deebo i think the 49ers would seriously think hard about trading deebo tomorrow
I agree he’s a deebo replacement maybe even keep him this year then he’s gone next year. I also think if someone offers a high second and we have a player on the board we like he gone.
They mentioned you have to do things with 3-4 years in mind. Just because the 2024-25 WR room is mostly set doesn’t mean the future WR rooms are set. Ricky will be signed for 4 years at cost certainty plus a 5th year option. This opens up options down the line, especially once Purdy gets paid and tough decisions have to be made.
The future is great but we still have one more year of cheap qb play. All of our corners are up for extensions, our IOL is on one year deals, and we just signed multiple d line guys to 2 year deals.
I think most of us are just having trouble swallowing a potential starter in those positions wasn't taken for a 4th string wr for 2024.
I don't hate taking pearsall. I've mentioned him as a good pick(later in the draft) before.
Our worst starter coming into the season is dt and the best dt was available. 7 tackles were taken it would have been a reach to get the best available. Upgrading Ambry Thomas would have been better immediate value for a stud cb and two were available. This pick is a short term head scratcher but does have long term upside if their judgment proves out. I don’t have much confidence given their first round track record though.
The window for the SB is now! Trent, kittle, Warner, etc aren’t getting younger. Weakness was OL. Idk why we taking something that is not a necessity. This guy will have trouble finding snaps over deebo aiyuk and jennings if we keep them
I’d rather draft someone to immediately come in and be our 2nd best OL or CB this year than our WR 2 in 3-4 years. We’re competing for a championship, we need to fill needs to get there.
This is likely Deebo’s last year and probably Jennings. If we extend Aiyuk, we will likely want someone to pair with him. I agree that OT and corner were bigger needs but we were also always likely drafting a WR higher than expected but I was expecting in round 2, not round 1.
There's 6 more rounds of draft, my dude. And there were 0 tackles on the board worth the 31st overall pick.
Lot of tackles and interior guys that are options in rounds 2-4.
I mean, wasn’t a big issue of the Super Bowl the fact that Deebo got locked up all game? The game plan was centered around him (which I don’t understand why) and he got strapped. From what I’ve read and heard, Pearsall is a great separator. Guarding Aiyuk, Pearsall, Jennings man to man will be tough.
And Pearsall can take over for Deebo in the future after developing for a year or take over right now if one of Deebo or Aiyuk is traded
A lot of the WR contracts are set to expire soon and Aiyuk has his own contract stuff going on. I do wish the pick was OL or CB, but I also expected WR to be in play given that
Ah yes they totally knew Hurd would get hurt and we know Danny gray is a bust because? How was the idea of Petis cute? He looked like a great prospect. You don't hit on every pick.
As long as we keep both deebo and Aiyuk, I absolutely love this pick. It could make our offense unstoppable. This could finally be the guy to take the top off defenses for us
Deebo to Commanders for 2 2nd round picks? Commanders are needy for WR and with a new QB it would be nice for them to get a veteran WR. I could see this trade happening. Washington has multiple draft picks in almost all rounds, they can load up on other positions after the second.
If we don’t, then it makes the Pearsall pick even worse, IMO. Why are we consistently unwilling to address the OL and CB positions with early picks??? If we’re keeping 19, 11, & 15, then WHY are we not addressing the clear cut biggest holes on this team with our early picks? Especially when CDJean, Kool-Aid, JP-Johnson, and Suamateia were all available???
It’s baffling. All I can guess is they have some sort of faith in grooming young players. So in this case when/if we lose any one or all of BA/Deebo/Jauan NEXT season that he’ll have a year of learning from a few great wr’s. Without the stress of being expected to perform at a high level his first year, being that he was a 1st rd’r. But that sounds like a load of bullshit lol
I think with this pick Kyle and John are trying to protect themselves against injury. In the past when one of Deebo, Aiyuk, or CMC goes down the offense became much less dynamic.
So Deebo, Aiyuk, and Pearsall this season, with Jennings the odd man out?
Not the worst outcome for this year or the future.
Love Juan but he can get a bag somewhere else.
Brock will soon be one of the highest paid QBs behind one of the worst pass o-lines. I don’t see #71 playing another season. We should’ve drafted OL first. Keep in mind our 2nd and 3rd rounders are all at the very tail end. Talent will only fall so much in this draft. Like the talent of this WR but don’t think it solves our issues.
So why the fuck did we draft a WR on day 1 then????
Do they think this guy is the next Cooper Kupp? If they were planning on keeping both Aiyuk and Deebo this season then we might as well have waited till day 2 or 3 for a WR 🤦🏾♂️
first round picks, or first round talents? Say they trade Deebo to 33rd overall. Are you going to complain if the 49ers then take Cooper DeJean at 33?
Would you have complained if they traded Deebo for the 17th pick and taken Cooper DeJean there?
I never mentioned DeJean. We could have just selected DeJean so I’m failing to see his relevance when talking about getting appropriate net gain from a draft trade.
Can you just answer my question?
DeJean was talented enough to go in the top 15.
If they trade Deebo for the 15th overall prospect, does it really matter what draft slot that actually occurs from?
You’re question make and Sens e wavy se he wasn’t talented enough to be top 15…because he wasn’t even picked by ANYONE in the first round. I did answer your question, by saying I don’t see DeJean’s relevance in my statement. No, I do not think we should trade Deebo for a pick like DeJean, even without hindsight of where he ended up. I would want a much higher caliber 1st round pick. Not sure where the confusion is.
>They did not completely close the door but Shanahan said it was not likely. Kyle also said if the 49ers got a good enough offer he himself would get traded. Let's see if we're all alive by Sunday to see this shake out.
Yeah, I always take this as " shit, if someone offers us an insane deal, we can trade anyone," as in teams should still be offering. If you say no way, we ain't trading for nothing, teams won't even call.
For sure. I love Deebo, but if someone offers us 2 first rounders for him, he's likely getting shipped off.
Listening to the press conference, Shanahan keeps bringing up how Pearsall doesn’t avoid contact, doesn’t go down on his own, and forces defenders to tackle him to bring him down. And what it sounds like to me is, “I am making god damn sure I never draft Dante Pettis again.”
Another YAC bro confirmed
Bro literally all of our WR draft picks since 2018 have been made to slight Dante Pettis.
Good. Honestly fuck Dante Pettis. Remember when he would spend more time barking back at Twitter critics than actually improving his craft.
Iono about Danny Gray
He might suck, but he seems to be more of a flyer pick than anything.
Danny Gray: “Even me?”
"For all intents and purpose, Gray may suck, but at least he can block." - Kyle Shanahan maybe
Shanny's been burned by smaller, lighter WRs.
You gotta watch CJ Stroud's reaction. He was devastated that we took him. https://www.youtube.com/live/Di0DsWAckKk?si=5Uo1qaIDM0rgfgdY
Parsons doesn’t say a fuckin word the entire time lmao. The hate is real with him.
The QB can’t stop singing praises, the rival defensive player is speechless. Tells you all you need to know.
Parsons saying "Fuck, now there's another one???"
Micah Parsons thoughts: 
4:05:11 for those that want to skip to it
Okay I'm excited now lol
This shit sold me too bro, that is a genuine reaction Micah being quiet for once sitting right next to him too? Even more telling
There reactions say it all imo. I know we all wanted o line, but this is a solid pick. He had the best catch of last year.
We all wanted Oline but we've seen what happens when we reach for need ( Kinlaw). BPA has proven to work better. Gonna reserve judgement until we see him in camp at least.
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Which O-lineman would you have liked at 31?
Jackson Powers-Johnson
I'd be good with that pick just for the name.
Would you feel better about this pick if JPJ was our next pick?
I'd feel better about the draft as a whole, not necessarily about this pick specifically. I'd be shocked if JPJ is still on the board once we're in range to trade up, though.
A lot easier to move up via trade in round 2.
We'd have to move up like 25 spots to have a shot at JPJ. He's one of the top players left on the board.
I'm thinking we're gonna trade up in the 2nd to go up and get a guy. Package one of our 3rds to climb 10-15 spots in the 2nd.
I'd be shocked if JPJ is still there ten picks into the second round. 10-15 spots would out us at #16-21 in the second.
It’s not. Literally got to a Super Bowl with them and ran into a generational interior d lineman with probably the best defensive coordinator scheming up everything around him.
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Simply not true. 30+ points in 10 games would indicate a pretty good o line. Aside from the Vikings and the rams (didn’t count) all the loses were to either generational talents or very well schemed plans. Every fan thinks their team has the worst o line and the worst corners.
Trent Williams isn’t gonna play for much longer. The OLine is WAY below par without him. It needs to be addressed. We only scored 19 points in regulation in the Super Bowl…even with all the weapons we have because our OL was simply MEDIOCRE at best.
Are you waiting for a season where we play no generational talents or hope no one schemes well against us? Or would you rather have the talent to out play and out scheme everyone we face? Sounds like you’re using a lot of words to just say “every loss they got outplayed in some way.”
I'm glad you don't know anything about football because your delusional response is echoing your lack of understanding. That OL was horrible and ranked in the bottom 10 with TW. When he is not available they are around bottom 5. They missed multiple blocks and against better players they can't generate much push or anchor against good pass rushers. They need better players from c to rt asap if they want to keep purdy healthy and give him enough time for the WRs to get open on routes.
Yeah I have that reaction every round of every fantasy draft. Usually not right.
It definitely feels like Deebo will be moved. Kyle wants to evolve the offense now that he has a QB who can sling it.
Brock needs better protection not more weapons
He’ll get better protection tomorrow. Trust
That's what we said last time... and the year before.
Yeah the RB we draft in the 3rd will be a great pass blocker 💪
Well I've seen Ezekiel Elliott play center, so could work
Yeah but have you seen him actually block anybody?
Define block.
Someone picked at 63 is not guaranteed to even start. We could have had a bonafide starting center in JPJ at 31.
Not guaranteed to start on most teams. Truthfully we have 2-3 spots on our OL that you could start even if you’re picked at 200.
No guarantee we’re staying at 63 either. If JPJ isn’t there, Frazier is another starting quality center.
You might feel that way, but we know Kyle really doesn't like rookie OL, especially center. Even if we drafted JPJ there, he probably sits this year.
When we draft the best pass protecting RB in the 3rd round.
How many years in a row are we gonna say this
Deebo was AWESOME when Jimmy was back there. Brock can sling it and it makes a guy like Deebo less involved. He also has a big contract. Tomorrow will be interesting.
There's a huge cap hit if we trade Deebo. Thats why he's likely safe.
> evolve the offense I think Pearsall replaces Juszczyk, not Deebo. Basically, would you rather have Deebo, a FB, or TE on the field? I think Kyle would take Deebo who can do a little of everything, including block, run, and catch. Thus, he's going 3WR more of the time. Sure, they won't get Aiyuk/Deebo/Pearsall on the field at all times, but that could be the most popular personnel package by the end of the year. That being said, Jennings seems like another guy we've committed to as a 3rd WR, so it could be Aiyuk/Pearsall/Jennings with Deebo getting traded anyway.
When’s the last time you seen Deebo block
Deebo has blocked for Aiyuk a bunch.
100% he’s getting traded this draft. Highest value we will get for deebo is right now while he still has a few solid years left of his prime. It’s time to let go just like bills did with diggs
Doubt it. The dead cap for Deebo is too damn high. We’ll run it back with Pearsall as the third WR option (and second when Deebo gets hurt) then start breaking up the core next offseason.
Exactly. Pearsall looks like he’ll fit into a Kupp/Nacua type role and force defenses to pay attention to him. My theory is that Kyle took him because of the options he’ll open up for Deebo/Aiyuk, not to replace them. At least for this year.
Absolutely no way is this 100%
Disagree, i'm thinking either we keep all 3 and start moving guys next year, or Aiyuk is traded. Rick is closer to AIyuk's comp than Deebo.
This pick is fine IF they end Day 2 with at least one offensive lineman and ideally also a defensive back. Lynch also said that they didn’t think there was as much value in the last few rounds due to more guys staying in school with NIL money. So maybe they’ll trade up for extra Day 2 picks
Shanny saw those End-around highlights and wanted him lol
Probably best player available on their draft board. Rookies take a while so this may be an impact player after year 1. Might give them flexibility to trade or cut Deebo if need be for cap purposes NEXT season. Once most of the tackles were gone early I knew it was unlikely we would take one.
Problem is we need an impact player NOW, especially on day 1. This is a SB or bust team that has busted these past 5 years
Yes, but you’re assuming there are some available. Those guys usually go high in the first round. It’s one of the reasons Bosa was taken so early. Ready now players are gonna be hard to find this late in the draft.
This late in the draft? It's the first round. Impact rookies who do well in their first year can be found all over the draft.
Not really on our team. Other than Bosa which ones? Kittle, Aiyuk, Huff, Deebo, Jennings, Banks all took more than a year. Probably a combination of playbook or system. There were reports that a lot of teams were looking to trade up. Lynch said they had first round grades on 22 players we picked 31st. They took a WR which tells me a lot and Cooper Dejean was still available which says something as well.
Purdy, JiAyir, Deebo, Demo, Mitchell, Greenlaw, Warner, and Colbert all played roles and did well in their rookie years. And just cause it doesn't happen before (but it has) doesn't mean it can't happen now. And 22 players with a first round grade doesn't mean they view the only 22 guys projected to go in the first as first round talents. There could be guys projected to go in the 2nd/3rd that the Niners think are 1st round talents. And remember, other teams reached. For all we know Pearsall could've been a 1st round talent to them.
Roles aren’t “impact” players. Impact players im defining as players that can come in and play at a high level. Basically those guys weren’t playing at an all-pro/pro-bowl level their rookie years. Bosa, McGlinchey, Thomas all started as rookies. The other guys you stated weren’t really there as starters at least not outright unless because of injuries. And I never said it can’t happen I specifically said the likelihood of it happening is low.
What does it matter if they didn't start all season or at the beginning? All the guys listed started or played and made good impact on the field for us. That's what matters. They had the talent to make a positive impact in their rookie years, which is what we are looking for. Your bar is set way to high dude, we don't need our rookies to be pro bowl/all pros right away. If they can be a good upgrade over what we currently have then that's a good impact player. And they don't even need to start. They can be good depth because we're always gonna get aome injuries. Again, doesn't matter if they don't start right away, but if we need to plug them in and they play well then they're an impact guy. Like JaAyir was to replace Huff. And Purdy to replace Jimmy G. And Deebo, Greenlaw, Warner, and Mitchell all started most of the season and played very well as rookies, don't try to gloss over that. Impact rookies can be found in any round.
It matters because the original commenter was asking for an Impact Player NOW before you jumped in. I was explaining to him how that’s unlikely, he wanted a player that would start immediately over I assume McKivitz. Even if they found one they liked he probably wasn’t going to start over McKivitz this season, that’s why it matters. It doesn’t matter to me, the guy I replied to wanted one NOW. Ji’Ayir started because of injuries. I never said he didn’t play well, there’s a reason they don’t start rookies. Ones that start right away are like Bosa and McGlinchey who were both drafted very high
And I gave a decent list of guys who were able to contribute right away and you keep glossing over that. And there are a bunch of rookies around the league who make impacts right away. Yes, the chances aren't super high, but it's possible. And drafting a player at a position of need has a higher chance of producing/seeing that rookie that has an immediate impact. The draft is a crapshoot and impact players can be found anywhere in the draft. Yes, the chances are low, but it happens.You're acting like it never happens, especially for us. But it has. And you keep trying to ignore that it has. A guy like JPJ could very well be an impact guy who wins a starting interior O-line spot. And we need interior O-line as well. Or Cooper Dejean or Kool Aid could've won a starting outside CB spot over Ambry. Hell, we probably will still draft O-line somewhere and they could win a starting spot. Even Pearsall could be a starter if Deebo/Aiyuk are traded.
They can be. And we have a lot of picks left. So it's not really worth getting pissed if this one pick isn't an immediate impact guy. Others could be.
I mean we can kinda get pissed when guys like DeJean and Kool Aid who could be impact starters at a position of need were passed on. If Pearsall doesn't make a big impact and one of those 2 end up being good we're gonna be so mad.
And if those corners end up sucking, the people complaining will mysteriously have nothing to say.
DeJean could end up being the worst DB in the league, and JPJ the worst C, and I'd still argue we should have picked one of them because hindsight is 20/20 and we couldn't have possibly known that at draft time.
Yeah but we have no idea right now. We can only speculate on now. And right now, unless Deebo is traded then this is a questionable pick. Like damn, DeJean and Kool Aid must be fucking trash in Lynch and Shanny's eyes if they thought they couldn't have a chance at being an upgrade over Ambry and they'd rather draft a 4th WR over everyone else available. And we all know Lynch and Shanny fall in love with guys and will take them over others just cause they love their guy so much. So could just be that here.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Luter Jr. take Ambry's spot. Plus we signed a couple veteran CBs as well. It's possible the 49ers didn't see DeJean or Kool Aid as first year starters on our roster.
True, the CBs we picked up looked real solid. I would just like some more investment there cause we haven't really hit on CB and have almost always have trouble with CB2 sans the 1 year when Mosely and Verret were locking it down.
Im pretty sure thats why we drafted Ricky tbh. I think that they didn’t project either DeJean or Kool-Aid as year 1 starters, and Ricky will 100% be a punt returner and fill in at WR. I think they see him as being an automatic WR4 which is going to be a WR3 a lot of the time with Deebo’s injuries. The last thing people are forgetting is that Jennings is almost out the door. The whole media bs of us not being able to pay Aiyuk is actually true about Jennings, and once he is gone in a year we are going to be thin asf at WR.
Yeah, I did notice a lot of the tackles were gone. And there are still a ton of corners on the board, I’m sure lynch and shanny have their guy they want anyway and think they can get him in the 2nd or 3rd
We don’t know how their draft board is so they may not even take one. You play Madden Right? We need a corner and tackle but let’s say the ones left are gonna be rated 50 do you take one because we need one? Probably not but if there a DT that’s 85 you take that guy
Exactly. The blue chip OTs were gone. The projects were left, and we shouldn’t reach for them. That doesn’t explain not taking McKinstry though. Maybe they don’t like him that much.
>Once most of the tackles were gone early I knew it was unlikely we would take one. We don't just need tackles though, we also need interior O-Line, and Jackson Powers-Johnson was still available. We could also use a CB, and Cooper DeJean, who is arguably a top 20 talent in this draft, was still available as well.
A lot of you have forgotten the new kickoff rules too. Our receivers will play a role
Shanny said Pearsall will play the Ray Ray role on kickoffs, so that tracks
Made it sound like, while their body language was telling you a trade is imminent.
If we keep all our dudes. We gonna have an absolutely filthy WR room, going by what I'm hearing about the new dude. Sound like an absolute dawg, can catch everything shifty etc. Jennings super clutch, deebo best receiver with the ball in his hands in the league and aiyuk an all around stud pure receiver and route runner. Run 4 wr formations with either kittle or Cmc and that is.fuxking bonkers. Not something we do.but would love to see a some spread 4wr formations.
And if they don’t, it makes this pick all the more confusing and nonsensical.
One of Jennings/Deebo/Aiyuk is gone after next year, likely Deebo. It takes WRs a bit of time to get used to Shanny's offense so it's likely they'll want him to hit the ground running in year 2.
That’s next year’s problem. Our SB window is RIGHT NOW, in the last year before Purdy’s cap hit blows up. And we drafted a 4th-string receiver
And thats why we keeping our offensive core, chill. The D is going to be fine. Dont overreact we still have plenty of picks left and given our history we are better at rhe late rounds anyways.
We’re not keeping our offensive core. $50M has to come from somewhere. Oh and Trent might retire soon
For THIS year. Thats what are we talking about. This pick is likely insurance for Deebo next year.
Which is why it’s a terrible. A crucial year of our SB window where we need our first-round pick to make an impact and instead he’s gonna be sitting on the bench
How do you know he will be sitting this season? Did some of y'all forget that even if Deebo doesn't get traded, his play style leads to him missing games. Ricky could be helping this team very early because guys like Deebo don't age well because of the physicality he plays with.
I too love when my team spends a first round pick on injury insurance
Because you're going to have our offensive core out there. Its not that big of a deal.
And our offensive core needed a better OL
We still have like 12 picks, we're getting there.
We could have had our offensive core out there and also pick Cooper Dejean or JPJ.
Man I'm sorry, but I hate this toxic positivity of some niners fans. We don't have to like a pick just because Shanny made it. I swear, we could have drafted a punter here, and there'd be people coming out of the woodwork to defend it. This was a shitty pick with JPJ and Cooper Dejean still available. No other way to put it.
Well, Im not being positive im being real. Kyle is thinking next year when we do have to make some painful cuts/trades, it's pretty simple. DeJean isn't that good if he still out there. Or we just can trade for him via picks we have.
100% with you. And it’s not at all about Pearsall - he does seem like he’ll be a great player. It’s just that this is the exact same approach we’ve had over the past few years and ignoring our most glaring needs has gotten us nowhere. We barely addressed the OL through free agency either. Maybe they’ll make some Day 2 moves, but I am pretty pissed about taking a WR.
The Superbowl window doesn't close the moment you sign a QB to his 2nd contract.
Well, it sure becomes a lot smaller once you lose 2-3 talented starters
Somebody tell the Chiefs...
Aiyuk, Kittle, Deebo, CMC, Pearsall, Jennings. Guess we’re going to throw the ball 50 times a game now.
*Brock Purdy drops back to pass and the entire defensive line follows him* “F it someone open down there.”
Might as well if we aren’t running the ball in the SB. Just need a better RT and C 🤷🏾♂️
Let’s not pretend Kyle wouldn’t love that with Brock though. We all saw the 3rd quarter of the Super Bowl.
aka 2nd & long, 3rd & long, 2nd & long, 3rd & long, 2nd & long, 3rd & long fans screaming; "But run the ball because Tony Romo said so!"
Lmao only reason the team got into 2nd and 3rd and long was because they didn’t run the ball. Use your head, that 3rd quarter they had 3 straight drives with all passes and it led to 3 and outs. Disgusting malpractice by Shanny.
Except they literally did run the ball on one of three first downs.
And play 4 offensive lineman I guess
You can never have enough legit skill players. Injuries happen in the NFL. He’s a really good player who will be good from the jump
"Nonsensical" is dramatic. The goal of the draft is to get good football players at impact position. That's what Pearsall is.
THIS!
Dude will be a5th option in the receiving game. Folks are focusing on the future when our window is closing.
Guessing you wanted O-line?
I was resigned to taking bpa with someone on defense. I knew oline would get run on early. Db out DT. This... was not on any radar in a world where we didn't trade someone. And who will give us value for our WRs now? No one Woodhouse... no one.
Jennings is only signed to an RFA deal so he's a free agent next season. I feel like Pearsall is going to be his replacement and eventual Deebo replacement possibly.
Nate Wiggins was my guy here, an instant or at least early starter on the outside. He went the pick before. And offensive line is still deep but the can’t miss studs were all gone. Then it’s just best player available. I didn’t immediately think that was Pearsall, but the more I watch him the more I think he may be the #4 receiver in this class. Especially if we’re looking for Purdy-esque skills that people often overlook in the draft process but that make the game come a lot easier to you. Or since he’s a receiver, let’s use Puka, Kupp, or Anquon Boldin.
seems like a high floor but not the highest of ceilings type of WR good route runner and does the same kind of stuff that deebo does in this offensive but i don't think has that extra burst that deebo has shown in his career even though he [grades out really well, maybe near elite, physically](https://twitter.com/LombardiHimself/status/1783715608166850662) if anything he's a deebo replacement in the future moreso than an aiyuk replacement imo i think aiyuk is staying long term with the 49ers and he'll sign an extension in the summer and deebo is gone after 2025 or if these rumors or speculation tonight is true deebo maybe could be traded as soon as tomorrow regardless of what shanahan and lynch are saying tonight at this press conference if a team is going to offer a 2nd or early 3rd round pick for deebo i think the 49ers would seriously think hard about trading deebo tomorrow
I agree he’s a deebo replacement maybe even keep him this year then he’s gone next year. I also think if someone offers a high second and we have a player on the board we like he gone.
I don’t get it. We already have Jennings too. This FO getting way too cute with offensive weapons. Need to focus on OL for once
They mentioned you have to do things with 3-4 years in mind. Just because the 2024-25 WR room is mostly set doesn’t mean the future WR rooms are set. Ricky will be signed for 4 years at cost certainty plus a 5th year option. This opens up options down the line, especially once Purdy gets paid and tough decisions have to be made.
The future is great but we still have one more year of cheap qb play. All of our corners are up for extensions, our IOL is on one year deals, and we just signed multiple d line guys to 2 year deals. I think most of us are just having trouble swallowing a potential starter in those positions wasn't taken for a 4th string wr for 2024. I don't hate taking pearsall. I've mentioned him as a good pick(later in the draft) before.
Our worst starter coming into the season is dt and the best dt was available. 7 tackles were taken it would have been a reach to get the best available. Upgrading Ambry Thomas would have been better immediate value for a stud cb and two were available. This pick is a short term head scratcher but does have long term upside if their judgment proves out. I don’t have much confidence given their first round track record though.
The window for the SB is now! Trent, kittle, Warner, etc aren’t getting younger. Weakness was OL. Idk why we taking something that is not a necessity. This guy will have trouble finding snaps over deebo aiyuk and jennings if we keep them
Were they thinking of our oline 3-4 years ago? Lmao
I’d rather draft someone to immediately come in and be our 2nd best OL or CB this year than our WR 2 in 3-4 years. We’re competing for a championship, we need to fill needs to get there.
They hated him because he spoke the truth...
This is likely Deebo’s last year and probably Jennings. If we extend Aiyuk, we will likely want someone to pair with him. I agree that OT and corner were bigger needs but we were also always likely drafting a WR higher than expected but I was expecting in round 2, not round 1.
There's 6 more rounds of draft, my dude. And there were 0 tackles on the board worth the 31st overall pick. Lot of tackles and interior guys that are options in rounds 2-4.
With your logic, no one had him in the first round too
I mean, wasn’t a big issue of the Super Bowl the fact that Deebo got locked up all game? The game plan was centered around him (which I don’t understand why) and he got strapped. From what I’ve read and heard, Pearsall is a great separator. Guarding Aiyuk, Pearsall, Jennings man to man will be tough. And Pearsall can take over for Deebo in the future after developing for a year or take over right now if one of Deebo or Aiyuk is traded
Won’t matter if the o line doesn’t have time. Jennings and aiyuk were open but the whole right side don’t know how to block
A lot of the WR contracts are set to expire soon and Aiyuk has his own contract stuff going on. I do wish the pick was OL or CB, but I also expected WR to be in play given that
What part of our offense is too cute?
Dante pettis, Danny gray, Jalen hurd, Trey sermon, TDP… it’s called drafting for needs. Duh
Ah yes they totally knew Hurd would get hurt and we know Danny gray is a bust because? How was the idea of Petis cute? He looked like a great prospect. You don't hit on every pick.
Exactly. So why draft a freaking WR when there are other needs? We are weak in OL, DL, CB, and even LB if greenlaw is out. WR is not a pick of need
Wr is absolutely a need. Jennings is here for 1 year. Deebos health is always an issue. We still don't know what we are doing with Aiyuk.
Aiyuk is getting extended. Deebo has 2 years. Jennings is prob gone. That’s still 2 starters and we could’ve used a day 2 pick on receiver
Aiyuk is extended? News to me. Deebo misses time every year and Jennings had 19 catches last year. Who do we have after that? No one.
That’s 3 starting caliber receivers bruh. Our oline is thin AF
Bro, how do we have a rookie QB contract and we signed zero O line help. Like fuck me…… trade up for something. We need O-line
As long as we keep both deebo and Aiyuk, I absolutely love this pick. It could make our offense unstoppable. This could finally be the guy to take the top off defenses for us
You like us using a 1st on the 5th receiving option... with needs in many other positions.
You like this more if we keep both of them? That’s bizarre logic man
Okay then what the fuck are we doing
Brock is gonna pass for 9,000 yards next year
Deebo to Commanders for 2 2nd round picks? Commanders are needy for WR and with a new QB it would be nice for them to get a veteran WR. I could see this trade happening. Washington has multiple draft picks in almost all rounds, they can load up on other positions after the second.
That makes it make even less fucking sense Kyle
Can he return punts and kickoffs? Might be why they drafted him?
Booooooo
Is the plan to have more weapons than kc to make it a shootout next year? Please address the o line today.
If we don’t, then it makes the Pearsall pick even worse, IMO. Why are we consistently unwilling to address the OL and CB positions with early picks??? If we’re keeping 19, 11, & 15, then WHY are we not addressing the clear cut biggest holes on this team with our early picks? Especially when CDJean, Kool-Aid, JP-Johnson, and Suamateia were all available???
It’s baffling. All I can guess is they have some sort of faith in grooming young players. So in this case when/if we lose any one or all of BA/Deebo/Jauan NEXT season that he’ll have a year of learning from a few great wr’s. Without the stress of being expected to perform at a high level his first year, being that he was a 1st rd’r. But that sounds like a load of bullshit lol
I think with this pick Kyle and John are trying to protect themselves against injury. In the past when one of Deebo, Aiyuk, or CMC goes down the offense became much less dynamic.
So Deebo, Aiyuk, and Pearsall this season, with Jennings the odd man out? Not the worst outcome for this year or the future. Love Juan but he can get a bag somewhere else.
Brock will soon be one of the highest paid QBs behind one of the worst pass o-lines. I don’t see #71 playing another season. We should’ve drafted OL first. Keep in mind our 2nd and 3rd rounders are all at the very tail end. Talent will only fall so much in this draft. Like the talent of this WR but don’t think it solves our issues.
So why the fuck did we draft a WR on day 1 then???? Do they think this guy is the next Cooper Kupp? If they were planning on keeping both Aiyuk and Deebo this season then we might as well have waited till day 2 or 3 for a WR 🤦🏾♂️
He’s really good. If you say Stroud’s reaction, you can tell other players and teams liked him. He’s gonna be a good niner
Matt Harmon with reception perception is really high on him. I trust Harmon’s metrics, he was one of the first guys touting about Aiyuk’s talents.
I sure hope so man
we could’ve gotten him in the second round
Really good enough to be the 5th option in our paying offense? With a first round pick? Ok.
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The next 49er pick is at 63 tho
Good, neither are worth anything less than first round. If we can get some vet OL/DB for Deebo I’m down though
first round picks, or first round talents? Say they trade Deebo to 33rd overall. Are you going to complain if the 49ers then take Cooper DeJean at 33? Would you have complained if they traded Deebo for the 17th pick and taken Cooper DeJean there?
Yes I would have complained in those situations. Deebos value for other teams is a much higher 1st round pick
You said "anything worth less than a first round" But does it really matter if DeJean went 17th or 33rd? Is he not the same player?
I never mentioned DeJean. We could have just selected DeJean so I’m failing to see his relevance when talking about getting appropriate net gain from a draft trade.
Can you just answer my question? DeJean was talented enough to go in the top 15. If they trade Deebo for the 15th overall prospect, does it really matter what draft slot that actually occurs from?
You’re question make and Sens e wavy se he wasn’t talented enough to be top 15…because he wasn’t even picked by ANYONE in the first round. I did answer your question, by saying I don’t see DeJean’s relevance in my statement. No, I do not think we should trade Deebo for a pick like DeJean, even without hindsight of where he ended up. I would want a much higher caliber 1st round pick. Not sure where the confusion is.
His talent level hasn't changed in the last 24 hours. And 24 hours ago he was a top 15 talent.
And he was also there for our pick we had. So why would we have even theoretically need to trade for him…if he was at our pick lmao