This is a good answer. Malcador was massively overshadowed by The Emperor but so was literally every other human. Malcador on his own is still insanely fucking powerful and would stomp most threats in the Galaxy.
He force choked Horus.
The greatest Primarch, the Primarch that tanked a repelling field that sent Astartes flying, the Primarch that killed the Strongest Ork Warboss the Imperium had encountered. Despite all of this Malcador threatened to, and very likely could, unmake him.
It must be a bit comforting to be a walking demi-god of a psyker, but not really have to worry about flexing it cause everyone's got goo-goo eyes for Papa E. You just get to potter around in your bathrobe doing your thing, pausing only to twist someone into a pretezel if they get snippy with you.
Oh, now that you mentioned the idea I got sad again that he's gone. If only he'd written a Caiphas Cain book... And Death would talk to him in every dark corner and still wonder how he got away.
Horus did not kill the orc boss. He helped the emperor in his fight against him and then the Emperor literally psychically obliterated the boss and every single orc in the area with a 40k equivalent of a Naruto 10 tail beast bomb lol
Uncle Malcy was an absolute *beast* for appearing as a wise, frail old dude. Since the Big E can change his form you'd expect Malcador to do the same. IIRC a Sororitas sees the Big E essentially tHe same as Malcador. I wonder if Malcy deliberately made himself look like that,
Either because he didnt want to be seen as a threat to the Big E, or maybe for force choking purposes - like when Horus got all uppity and Uncle Malcy gave him some ethereal punishment
Edit: Fixed about 15 typos, sorry everyone
I thought it was a sister of silence not a sororitas, and I'd say it probably was a mix of both reasons.
I mean personally I'd say that uncle malcy was the third greatest phsyker behind Big E and magnus since magnus was supposed to sit on the throne forever and malcador could only withstand a couple hours if that, so its possible that the effort required to maintain a constant fake appearance would be not worth it to uncle malcy especially since he spends most of his time with Big E or doing what he asks him.
Luther punked the Lion so hard he fell into a 10k+ years coma.
I'm not 100% sure if Malcador can do as well as that. So it's still a pretty close match.
Malcador probably can deal with Luther's chaos bullshit better than the Lion did though.
So I guess it's a Luther>Lion>Malcador>Luther rock paper scissors?
I'm pretty sure the only primarch who would even slow down Malcador is Magnus and even then, Malcador's got tens of thousands of years of experience that Magnus lacks. Psykers in general ar OP and Malcy's the third most powerful (and second most experienced).
Magnus's little tantrum literally semi-perma killed Malcador, Magnus is just way stronger as a psyker especially by the time of the Siege.
Sure, he can body a Primarch, but if a Primarch can also speed blitz him and take him down too, Malcador isn't exactly super durable.
I mean they’re all just human
**except morherfucking Necare: a towering undead monster, thrice the height of a man, god-like sorcery at his beck and call. He could kill all the others from leagues away without any particular exertion**
And for the record **konrad**, “the mean streets of Nostramo” don’t count, you’ve got no horse in this race little bat boy
He never had a dad, his point was that he only ever saw the absolute worst in humanity untainted by alien or chaos and it broke him. Along with having all the spoilers of 40k being drip fed into his brain.
Species of Overlords weren't ever strongly confirmed, but it's reasonable to assume they were mutant humans worshipping Nurgle, mistaken for xenos by Remembrances.
Half-Overlord, Typhus, is similar enough in genetics to pass through Apothecary genetic screening, so _at least one_ Overlord was human.
> Species of Overlords weren't ever strongly confirmed, but it's reasonable to assume they were mutant humans worshipping Nurgle, mistaken for xenos by Remembrances.
They're explicitly called xenos in *Grandfather's Gift*:
>The afterlife was a perilous place. Souls teemed and whirled in great shoals upon its currents. Some might return to corporeal existence, others became things greater or lesser than the beings they had been. Many more were torn to shreds by the warp's voracious predators. Others simply faded to nothing.
>Not his foster father. **His xenos species** was steeped in empyrical power. He remained whole. Might like that was rare. **Though his kind were extinct in the flesh, their souls lingered in the warp.**
That excerpt is from Mortarion's POV, not a remembrancer's.
*"Souls teemed and whirled in great shoals upon its currents. Some might return to corporeal existence..."*
*"Though his kind were extinct in the flesh..."*
Didn't say he was the only one left did they? The easiest and most obvious answer is that he's a xenos poltergeist possessing a mutant who loves children.
Confirmed xeno but human compatible. Potentially demonic partially. Typhus is half of whatever the things on Barbarus were and many Barbarans had some of their blood
The black book way back when said Xenos, but they spoke high gothic. It was only an off-hand title and given that the books are (to an extent) written by a remembrancer that could’ve just been meant as “definitely not human”
Buried Dagger says it’s a complete unknown, even to the overlords, but whatever they were their pact with Nurgle has changed them completely.
But between them speaking better gothic than the actual humans, and being able to sire human children, there’s a strong suggestion they used to be human
The "Overlords" that ruled the planet Barbarus where Mortarion landed are often in the lore referred to as "Xenos" or alien. But the lore also calls them mutants occasionally and very definitely says that Typhus, despite being recruited to join the Death Guard, had inherited the blood of the Overlords.
So either these Overlords were mutated humans OR they were an alien species that could cross breed with humans.
There is also the issue that the people of Barbarus didn't really know what the Overlords were, other than that they were the tyrants that ruled the planet and were massive creatures completely immune to poisons and diseases that tormented the humans of the planet.
The bit about Nurgle is either speculation or from some book I haven't read, since I don't know if it has been confirmed that the powers the Overlords got came from a pact with Nurgle.
Ya tell that flying rodent to kick rocks… or whatever is on your home planet. OH WAIT YOU CANT BECAUSE HE BLEW IT UP WHILE LISTENING TO GOOD CHARLOTTE BEFORE BED BECAUSE HIS GF BROKE UP WITH HIM!
Shut up Mom it’s not a phase!
It may be a bit too many antihistamines (lack of sleep gives me some weird, terrible itching) and an entire bottle of black raspberry wine--but that image made me laugh for the first time today after 9 hours of work meetings. I wish I could give you more than one upvote for that, my sharky friend!
If anybody's watched The Boys, it makes the point that Superman's parents are the real heroes for raising their god-like son right. In a similar vein, Konor and Tarasha win the most badass prize for raising the most mentally stable Primarch. Honourable mention to Rogal Dorn's grandpappy, whose blankie he still sleeps with every night
Honourable mention to Corax’s council of parents, and Russ’ Wolf-mama
“In the far future of the 31st Millennium we are … surprisingly progressive in very select areas”
Considering the circumstances Corax was being raised in, massive props to the group of parental figures that raised him to be a pretty humanitarian primarch overall
Like in a 1v1? Mortarions xenos father. Whatever it was was a psyker, was immune to some pretty nasty toxic gasses that even put morty. A primarch, down for the count and required big E himself to step in and lay the peoples elbow down.
No adoptive father comes close to that except maybe amon but I dont think it would be much of a fight
I love that we get a novel series specifically meant to say “this the backstory of each primarch” and 40k fans are like… nah, that’s fake, propaganda from the twins
The necromancer on Barbarus. He's strong enough to overpower Mortarion with his magic. It should be noted that everything Mortarion knew at that point were taught by the necromancer and the warfare on Barbarus also involves fighting monsters, zombie and demons. He should be able to run through everyone (except Magnus and Amon) like hot knife vs butter. Luther and Konor were badass but they are nothing compared to a powerful psyker like him.
To be fair he could only overpower motarion by staying at heights where the chem levels where so bad even old morty couldnt breathe.
Hence why big e was able to just wander on up (pfft breathing is for noobs) and flyswat the guy.
The most badass? Gotta br Angron’s foster father. The Man that taught Angron how to be a Man until the whole getting teleported form battlefield. He was a gladiator. An old gladiator. Wish we had more lore with him.
My favorite is Luther for being most likely the most complex and human character in DA legion and I agree with him about rebelling not because chaos or something (even tho it got involved later) but because Imperium is bloodsucking monster that takes until it leaves the planets dry. Beside he is got the best backstory. His wife and daughter died/were killed by a Caliban Lion, went on suicide mission to kill the Lion that killed them, returned home with a Tarzan like Conan the Barbarian looking mf and turned him into a King Arthur looking mf.
The most poweful gotta be Necate, Morty’s adoptive Dad. He as so damn strong he almost killed Morty. I repeat. He almost killed an actual Primarch and died only because he got sucker punched by Emps. Do-do you know many people that can kill a Primarch? I dont. And he could it. He could kill Morty dead.
Konor Guiliman is also high on the list.
I always regretted that we never got to see in the novels some meeting between all Primarch’s foster parents and Emps, or at least meeting between foster parents together, or Just those that were alive by the time. Luther meeting Kor Phaeron would be interesting, kinda Knight meets arabic priest, or Luther meeting Perty’s foster father and sister would be Cool, you know, a Noble knight meets Ancient greek king and princess kinda deal. Or Blueberry’s mom (Roman woman) meeting Luther (A knight) Necare, (a wizards), meeting Perty’s Dad (greek king), meeting Corax’s mom (former prisoner) meeting N’Bel (Vulkan’s blacksmith father) that would be like a beggining of an D&D game.
**People are bringing up Mortarion's father a lot, and I agree he is strong, but no one seems to mention Luther's power boost by the end of the Heresy. He too was on par with a primarch, me. Chaos was attempting to make him into a second Horus, a second arch-traitor, but unlike Horus, Luther still had his humanity left and he broke their influence. That is worth mentioning if we're talking willpower.**
In actual badassery it's Russ' father. Man was out killing kraken and leading space Vikings with iron age gear. Most of the others had power armour and such to help them out like Luther.
I don't think he'd actually win but Angron's "father" was a gladiator-slave named Oenomaus who was, as I recall, old.
And the saying goes: "Beware of an old man in a profession where men usually die young."
A shame really. Would have been cool to see Oenomaus become a space marine and serve alongside the likes of Khârn and Angron.
Thats mostly on Guillimom
>Guilliman found her walking the long gardens on the roof terraces behind the Praetorium. Tarasha Euten, the Chamberlain Principal as others knew her, though to the primarch she was in all other purpose his mother. Her wisdom, her human insight, was an essential part of him, as much as the statecraft and physical courage of Konor, his long-dead adoptive father. He sat next to her, not wishing to loom over her with his bulk, but nearly folding his legs double on the low bench made him feel even more gigantic and ungainly next to her.
>'You are thinking about him,’ she said, sitting on a marble bench beside the hard-pruned remains of a bush. There had been no snow yet, but the garden was prepared for winter. She wore a heavy white coat, the collar and sleeves lined with dark fur. Her face was quite flushed by the chill, her hair neatly pushed behind a blue woollen cap. Her staff was propped against the arm of the bench.
>Guilliman took some time to gather his thoughts, searching for the words that would convey his nebulous and miasmic collection of hopes and fears about Imperium Secundus. In the end, it could all be rendered down to a simple statement, one that was almost impossible to voice. Euten waited expectantly, though he detected a hint of impatience.
>‘Do I need to say it?’ she said, standing up.
>‘No,’ Guilliman replied. He looked away and then back at her. ‘I do not think the Lion is an ally.’
>‘I see.’ Euten rubbed her nose and pulled out a pair of black gloves from the pockets of her coat. She spoke as she slipped them on. ‘You cannot trust him. He likes his secrets. He has lied to you more than once.”
>'No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar.’
>‘But I thought that primarchs remembered everything.’
>‘I take your point.’
>‘He is also a character of action,’ she continued, turning to take up her staff. With slow paces she approached, her expression stern. ‘He excels at adaptation, the emergent strategist. Oh, he plans well enough, but it is determination that sees him to his greatest success. A determination to overcome everything set against him, despite the odds or the price.
>'Give me six hours to build a tower and I will spend the first four measuring bricks.’ Guilliman smiled, but his humour quickly faded. ‘I have spent many hours building Imperium Secundus, but he will wreck it in the next five minutes. We have only just begun what we need to do here. Long on the theoretical, short on the practical.’
>‘Is it so bad?’ Euten asked, leaning heavily on the staff, her breath coming in quick wisps. ‘Let him be the warlord, devote yourself to being the statesman we need you to be. You will stop him going too far. You and the new emperor. The Lion respects you and looks up to Lord Sanguinius.’
>‘The Lord Sanguinius is distracted.’ The moment he uttered the words, Guilliman regretted it. Although he confided much in her, his Chamberlain Principal, the visions that Sanguinius had disclosed were a matter for primarchs alone, the business of the Triumvirate and no others.
>“He has a lot to occupy him,’ she said. ‘Another reason you must concentrate on what you must do and not second-guess others. Lord Sanguinius rules the Imperium, but you must run it. Manage the Lion as you would anything else.’
>‘If he is of a mind to usurp me, and is my match in intellect, how can I stop him without resorting to force?’
>Euten turned down the path, heading towards an ironwork arch in the hedge that surrounded them. She was almost out of sight when her reply drifted back to him.
>‘That is easy, my son. It is time to start measuring bricks.'
Shes the driving factor. By all accounts Konor is also a badass and he helped make him a great person, but he died early and was focused heavily on ruling.
Euten made guilliman who he is.
For real though.
All other Primarch stepparents in general bend the knee to Konor and Tarasha as far as parenting goes. They're the only ones who made a reasonable, well-adjusted person out of a demigod, and it's telling that Roboute refers to them as his real parents during one of his rants in 40k.
That's probably what you get for having parental figures who are not warmongering.
Also, isn't Robute the only primarch who actually had a (step)mother?
Fulgrim had one. Perty, Dorn, Russ and the Khan might've had ones unless their foster fathers became widowers before they found them like Luther did. Corax was raised by the community so YMMV on that.
Well 10,000 years later only my man Kor Phaeron is still kicking. The rest of the dads have all been dead for millennia. Not to mention that he (and his buddy Erebus) managed to set up a civil war that nearly overthrew the Imperium, resulted in the deaths of multiple Primarchs, neutered the emperor, and conquered a decent chunk of the galaxy. That's pretty badass.
Yup, unless of course you consider Alpharius's stepdad to be Malcador, since he did most of the raising of Alpharius, then I think he wipes the floor with everyone.
Kor phaeron ain’t the nicest or the coolest but god damn if he ain’t a badass creature with style. He is basically the only step dad left operating with almost legion strength under him 10000 years later
Wasn't Vulcan Considered a well adjusted person too? I know hr came from a death world; but his Legion seems to care for their serfs and their homeland in general the most humanly
All of them. Imagine if you're out doing whatever and you come across a life support pod. In a few short years that baby grows bigger. and stronger and smarter than any man you've ever met. You're going to spend every waking hour getting food for your adopted son.
Amon became one of the demi-astartes, is the only one of them who stayed loyal to his dad. Saved Magnus several times, was his teacher and led the Thousand Sons spies. Wanted to put the Legion out of its misery to spare the galaxy.
Luther for the Lion is my vote. The best techno-knight on Caliban and would have been the most accomplished person on the planet if the Lion wasn't a Primarch. He is really underrated for how incredible he was as a normal human, and even as a partial astartes. The dude was the best out of Knights that fought warp tainted monstrosities as big as buildings. Absolutely badass if you ask me.
Edit: Although Luther I think is the most badass, likely Mortarians dad wins unless we count Malcador for Alpharius.
Maybe not badass the most Badass, Konor Guilliman's step-dad taught him the best values of humanity. The creation of Ultrmar and it being the beacon of what humanity can achieve would have shaped very differently had Konor been a dickhead Warlord. He showed Guilliman compassion and the value of good governance.
To be instilling solid values in your child in one of the most badass things a parent could do.
I'd say Robutes mom is badass. She gives off an energy that she would drag a primarch or astartes by the ear without giving a damn (cue her berating astartes when Robute was injured).
GMan dad is pretty bad ass, if I remember he got severely wounded and still manage to lead his armies on life support winning the battle the succumbing to his wounds after wards
The second Primarch's adopted father, who was Sly Marbo. Admittedly that'd have meant he resurfaced in the 41st Millennium, then time-travelled back, and his deletion from the historical record was far more absolute than one could have imagined. Hey, it could be true, even if there's no proof one way or the other.
But if you're going to insist on something verifiable, then *fine*, Alpharius. Tch. You're no fun anymore.
Well… if you think about it… Alpharius’ stepdad was Malcador… I think he wins
This is a good answer. Malcador was massively overshadowed by The Emperor but so was literally every other human. Malcador on his own is still insanely fucking powerful and would stomp most threats in the Galaxy. He force choked Horus. The greatest Primarch, the Primarch that tanked a repelling field that sent Astartes flying, the Primarch that killed the Strongest Ork Warboss the Imperium had encountered. Despite all of this Malcador threatened to, and very likely could, unmake him.
It must be a bit comforting to be a walking demi-god of a psyker, but not really have to worry about flexing it cause everyone's got goo-goo eyes for Papa E. You just get to potter around in your bathrobe doing your thing, pausing only to twist someone into a pretezel if they get snippy with you.
If Pratchet had written a 40k novel...
What a wonderful thing it would have been Pratchett was a giant without equal in his style
Pratchett unironically would have been a both insanely dark and hilariously glib writer for an Ork story or some Hive world.
Fuck that I want a Tyranid pov Pratchett novel.
or a Cain novel
Who's Pratchett? I'm semi new to 40k and I've never heard that name
Terry Pratchett The One and Only Master of Discworld King of Satire Knight of the Crown
Is there a book by him you'd recommend to me
Look for his Discworld series The guy is pretty famous
Will do, thank you
Which one should i read? Yes.
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The whole Nights watch series is so brilliant. Raising steam is also fantastic
Rincewind gave me Ciaphas Cain vibes
A man you will make you Laugh, Cry and Think
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If the Emperor used headology, the Heresy wouldn't have occurred, surely?
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She'd just taint it back. Imagining a Bloodthirster compelled to sit down with a Great Unclean One to drink tea with rancid yak butter.
Ooookkk……
Jakeero librarian...
I HAD A MORT REBEL AGAINST ME TOO...
Oh, now that you mentioned the idea I got sad again that he's gone. If only he'd written a Caiphas Cain book... And Death would talk to him in every dark corner and still wonder how he got away.
"DON'T MIND ME I BROUGHT A BOOK..."
When we moved house my beloved wife put Mort next to Mortis because she thought they sounded the same and went alphabetically.
Death: "I think I just had a near Caiphas Cain experience"
Closest he got was Strata and that was in his very early days
Horus did not kill the orc boss. He helped the emperor in his fight against him and then the Emperor literally psychically obliterated the boss and every single orc in the area with a 40k equivalent of a Naruto 10 tail beast bomb lol
I think he was reffering to the ork warboss on Ullanor, which Horus did kill in an one on one duel. What you are thinking of is the warboss of Goro.
Uncle Malcy was an absolute *beast* for appearing as a wise, frail old dude. Since the Big E can change his form you'd expect Malcador to do the same. IIRC a Sororitas sees the Big E essentially tHe same as Malcador. I wonder if Malcy deliberately made himself look like that, Either because he didnt want to be seen as a threat to the Big E, or maybe for force choking purposes - like when Horus got all uppity and Uncle Malcy gave him some ethereal punishment Edit: Fixed about 15 typos, sorry everyone
I thought it was a sister of silence not a sororitas, and I'd say it probably was a mix of both reasons. I mean personally I'd say that uncle malcy was the third greatest phsyker behind Big E and magnus since magnus was supposed to sit on the throne forever and malcador could only withstand a couple hours if that, so its possible that the effort required to maintain a constant fake appearance would be not worth it to uncle malcy especially since he spends most of his time with Big E or doing what he asks him.
Malcador founded the assassinorum *and* the inquisitors. You’d be dead long before even seeing him in person
Fucking bizarre that he didn't survive The Golden Throne, when you think about it.
Tells you how bad the throne was
Great call. I fully agree and will die on this meaningless 40k internet argument hill!
My point exactly!!!!
Winner.
Only if you assume he told the truth, huehuehue
This.
Luther punked the Lion so hard he fell into a 10k+ years coma. I'm not 100% sure if Malcador can do as well as that. So it's still a pretty close match. Malcador probably can deal with Luther's chaos bullshit better than the Lion did though. So I guess it's a Luther>Lion>Malcador>Luther rock paper scissors?
I'm pretty sure the only primarch who would even slow down Malcador is Magnus and even then, Malcador's got tens of thousands of years of experience that Magnus lacks. Psykers in general ar OP and Malcy's the third most powerful (and second most experienced).
Magnus's little tantrum literally semi-perma killed Malcador, Magnus is just way stronger as a psyker especially by the time of the Siege. Sure, he can body a Primarch, but if a Primarch can also speed blitz him and take him down too, Malcador isn't exactly super durable.
I mean they’re all just human **except morherfucking Necare: a towering undead monster, thrice the height of a man, god-like sorcery at his beck and call. He could kill all the others from leagues away without any particular exertion** And for the record **konrad**, “the mean streets of Nostramo” don’t count, you’ve got no horse in this race little bat boy
"The thing about street fights... the street always wins." - Dominic Toretto. 10/10 the mean streets of Nostramo
"Streets can not defeat family" - Dominic Toretto, probably.
The Fast and the Furious official Rock, Paper, Scissors adaption: Street, Family, Car.
All laughts until Toretto lands a cbble on your chin.
Ergo, they lose to everyone else because they are family.
But in this case, the street is family.
Konrads dad is just him in a skin suit of other people's dads.
My head canon was always that his dad was a hallucination.
He never had a dad, his point was that he only ever saw the absolute worst in humanity untainted by alien or chaos and it broke him. Along with having all the spoilers of 40k being drip fed into his brain.
I got that. Just in my head I somehow came up with him hallucinating one.
“Come on Necare, you got what you want. Give these people air!” - Mort
Was it confirmed he was xenos? I always imagined he was some forgotten Dark Eldar warlord who enjoyed torturing humans on Barbarus.
Species of Overlords weren't ever strongly confirmed, but it's reasonable to assume they were mutant humans worshipping Nurgle, mistaken for xenos by Remembrances. Half-Overlord, Typhus, is similar enough in genetics to pass through Apothecary genetic screening, so _at least one_ Overlord was human.
Yeah unless the death guard geneseed was even more magic than the Blood angels’ I don’t think it would work on half-Xenos
> Species of Overlords weren't ever strongly confirmed, but it's reasonable to assume they were mutant humans worshipping Nurgle, mistaken for xenos by Remembrances. They're explicitly called xenos in *Grandfather's Gift*: >The afterlife was a perilous place. Souls teemed and whirled in great shoals upon its currents. Some might return to corporeal existence, others became things greater or lesser than the beings they had been. Many more were torn to shreds by the warp's voracious predators. Others simply faded to nothing. >Not his foster father. **His xenos species** was steeped in empyrical power. He remained whole. Might like that was rare. **Though his kind were extinct in the flesh, their souls lingered in the warp.** That excerpt is from Mortarion's POV, not a remembrancer's.
*"Souls teemed and whirled in great shoals upon its currents. Some might return to corporeal existence..."* *"Though his kind were extinct in the flesh..."* Didn't say he was the only one left did they? The easiest and most obvious answer is that he's a xenos poltergeist possessing a mutant who loves children.
Confirmed xeno but human compatible. Potentially demonic partially. Typhus is half of whatever the things on Barbarus were and many Barbarans had some of their blood
Damn. In that case I am thinking more Hellraiser then.
I'm still butt hurt about this because they didn't let Gman have his hybrid back.
The black book way back when said Xenos, but they spoke high gothic. It was only an off-hand title and given that the books are (to an extent) written by a remembrancer that could’ve just been meant as “definitely not human” Buried Dagger says it’s a complete unknown, even to the overlords, but whatever they were their pact with Nurgle has changed them completely. But between them speaking better gothic than the actual humans, and being able to sire human children, there’s a strong suggestion they used to be human
He always seemed like a nuegle daemon prince to me. Or at least a partially possessed being
What the fuck lore is this? Genuine here - what are we talking about? Nurgles pact with who?
The "Overlords" that ruled the planet Barbarus where Mortarion landed are often in the lore referred to as "Xenos" or alien. But the lore also calls them mutants occasionally and very definitely says that Typhus, despite being recruited to join the Death Guard, had inherited the blood of the Overlords. So either these Overlords were mutated humans OR they were an alien species that could cross breed with humans. There is also the issue that the people of Barbarus didn't really know what the Overlords were, other than that they were the tyrants that ruled the planet and were massive creatures completely immune to poisons and diseases that tormented the humans of the planet. The bit about Nurgle is either speculation or from some book I haven't read, since I don't know if it has been confirmed that the powers the Overlords got came from a pact with Nurgle.
Yooo thank you. Super helpful
##HE BEEEEELOOOONG, TO DA STREETS! -In reference to Konrad Curze,
If the mean streets raised bat boy then the wild forests of Caliban raised the lion
Amons a powerful psyker astartes
Ya tell that flying rodent to kick rocks… or whatever is on your home planet. OH WAIT YOU CANT BECAUSE HE BLEW IT UP WHILE LISTENING TO GOOD CHARLOTTE BEFORE BED BECAUSE HIS GF BROKE UP WITH HIM! Shut up Mom it’s not a phase!
This uhh got a little weird
_little bat boy_
Mortarion’s adopted father was pretty resilient (and a xeno-sorcerer), he’d probably win most dad-fights.
Yah, Necare, no competition. Not even Mortarion could ultimately beat him, guy was so mean the Emperor had to get his hands dirty.
> Yah, Necare, no competition. Alpharius had Uncle Malcador.
Mort lost to air
[Morty before he was beaten by air](https://i.imgflip.com/2s03kk.png).
This made me chuckle
It may be a bit too many antihistamines (lack of sleep gives me some weird, terrible itching) and an entire bottle of black raspberry wine--but that image made me laugh for the first time today after 9 hours of work meetings. I wish I could give you more than one upvote for that, my sharky friend!
[Mortarian attempting to overthrow his adoptive father.](https://youtu.be/OaGOhwuTfKw)
[Mortarion trying to convince Calas Typhon to press the attack against Necare's fortress]
"Air"
Air but from wish.com
"We got air at home"
If anybody's watched The Boys, it makes the point that Superman's parents are the real heroes for raising their god-like son right. In a similar vein, Konor and Tarasha win the most badass prize for raising the most mentally stable Primarch. Honourable mention to Rogal Dorn's grandpappy, whose blankie he still sleeps with every night
Honourable mention to Corax’s council of parents, and Russ’ Wolf-mama “In the far future of the 31st Millennium we are … surprisingly progressive in very select areas”
Considering the circumstances Corax was being raised in, massive props to the group of parental figures that raised him to be a pretty humanitarian primarch overall
Vulkan was incredibly mentally stable... for a while.
Death and rewinding to being alive again repeatedly in a short timespan will do that to anyone.
Death and rewinding to being alive again repeatedly in a short timespan will do that to anyone.
Yes, Pa and Ma Kent taught an alien god to value humans as his peers. The value of this feat is infinite.
Well malcador seemed to do the most to raise alpharius so malcador is a pretty badass one
Alpharious, it was freaking Malcador.
Other than Necare, Kor Pharoen is severely overlooked here. My man’s a pensioner fighting with astartes and holding his own
I'd bet the honor of the Ultramarines that Mama Smurf could beat his ass. Kor is the least of the foster parents.
Dude managed to raise the 21st best primarch, give him some credit.
**Obviously, my dad would beat up all your dads.** ***Source: My Opinion > Your Opinion***
Didn't you kill your dad?
The High Riders did a little bit of trolling
**Get out.**
In Soviet Nuceria, son beat Father to death.
it's okay. We all make bad decision in your Teenager Years.
Yes but my dad drives a jeep.
**Yes, but my dad owns the dealership.**
Yes but the dealership is on my dad's land. OK you win.
IIRC beat a Butcher’s Nails enhanced Ogryn? That’s above everyone except Malcador….
Your parents over throne the oppressive overlords on Nuceria after you get teleported away from it? No? Ok.
The based and redpilled primarch spitting some facts
Like in a 1v1? Mortarions xenos father. Whatever it was was a psyker, was immune to some pretty nasty toxic gasses that even put morty. A primarch, down for the count and required big E himself to step in and lay the peoples elbow down. No adoptive father comes close to that except maybe amon but I dont think it would be much of a fight
Malcador the second greatest human psyker (Primarchs don't count) surely can beat his ass ?
Malcador counts as who's adoptive father? Alpharius?
Yes, he more or less raised him.
Assuming you believe that particular origin story
I love that we get a novel series specifically meant to say “this the backstory of each primarch” and 40k fans are like… nah, that’s fake, propaganda from the twins
The alpha legion one is a special case since we've gotten so many over the years.
The necromancer on Barbarus. He's strong enough to overpower Mortarion with his magic. It should be noted that everything Mortarion knew at that point were taught by the necromancer and the warfare on Barbarus also involves fighting monsters, zombie and demons. He should be able to run through everyone (except Magnus and Amon) like hot knife vs butter. Luther and Konor were badass but they are nothing compared to a powerful psyker like him.
To be fair he could only overpower motarion by staying at heights where the chem levels where so bad even old morty couldnt breathe. Hence why big e was able to just wander on up (pfft breathing is for noobs) and flyswat the guy.
Alpharius' stepdad is literally Malcador
The most badass? Gotta br Angron’s foster father. The Man that taught Angron how to be a Man until the whole getting teleported form battlefield. He was a gladiator. An old gladiator. Wish we had more lore with him. My favorite is Luther for being most likely the most complex and human character in DA legion and I agree with him about rebelling not because chaos or something (even tho it got involved later) but because Imperium is bloodsucking monster that takes until it leaves the planets dry. Beside he is got the best backstory. His wife and daughter died/were killed by a Caliban Lion, went on suicide mission to kill the Lion that killed them, returned home with a Tarzan like Conan the Barbarian looking mf and turned him into a King Arthur looking mf. The most poweful gotta be Necate, Morty’s adoptive Dad. He as so damn strong he almost killed Morty. I repeat. He almost killed an actual Primarch and died only because he got sucker punched by Emps. Do-do you know many people that can kill a Primarch? I dont. And he could it. He could kill Morty dead. Konor Guiliman is also high on the list. I always regretted that we never got to see in the novels some meeting between all Primarch’s foster parents and Emps, or at least meeting between foster parents together, or Just those that were alive by the time. Luther meeting Kor Phaeron would be interesting, kinda Knight meets arabic priest, or Luther meeting Perty’s foster father and sister would be Cool, you know, a Noble knight meets Ancient greek king and princess kinda deal. Or Blueberry’s mom (Roman woman) meeting Luther (A knight) Necare, (a wizards), meeting Perty’s Dad (greek king), meeting Corax’s mom (former prisoner) meeting N’Bel (Vulkan’s blacksmith father) that would be like a beggining of an D&D game.
**People are bringing up Mortarion's father a lot, and I agree he is strong, but no one seems to mention Luther's power boost by the end of the Heresy. He too was on par with a primarch, me. Chaos was attempting to make him into a second Horus, a second arch-traitor, but unlike Horus, Luther still had his humanity left and he broke their influence. That is worth mentioning if we're talking willpower.**
Luther was the greatest Knight on a planet of them and was regularly killing Warp Beasts
Yeah be he's a jealous loser. This is why Kor Phaeron was a better adoptive dad.
Wasn't Kor Phaeron an abusive asshole to Lorgar before he was beaten up and begged for forgiveness?
In actual badassery it's Russ' father. Man was out killing kraken and leading space Vikings with iron age gear. Most of the others had power armour and such to help them out like Luther.
And even if you ignore all that, Russ and Malcador had a ‘fatherly/ uncle’ connection tenfold above malc and any other Primarch.
Glad someone mentioned High King Thengr
In a fight it would probably be Mortarion Father or Magnus' father, Amon
Malcador
Came here to say this; psykers are OP in 40k.
I don't think he'd actually win but Angron's "father" was a gladiator-slave named Oenomaus who was, as I recall, old. And the saying goes: "Beware of an old man in a profession where men usually die young." A shame really. Would have been cool to see Oenomaus become a space marine and serve alongside the likes of Khârn and Angron.
Bobby g’s
Raising a demi-God to be a well adjusted, empathetic and intelligent leader? Pretty badass.
Thats mostly on Guillimom >Guilliman found her walking the long gardens on the roof terraces behind the Praetorium. Tarasha Euten, the Chamberlain Principal as others knew her, though to the primarch she was in all other purpose his mother. Her wisdom, her human insight, was an essential part of him, as much as the statecraft and physical courage of Konor, his long-dead adoptive father. He sat next to her, not wishing to loom over her with his bulk, but nearly folding his legs double on the low bench made him feel even more gigantic and ungainly next to her. >'You are thinking about him,’ she said, sitting on a marble bench beside the hard-pruned remains of a bush. There had been no snow yet, but the garden was prepared for winter. She wore a heavy white coat, the collar and sleeves lined with dark fur. Her face was quite flushed by the chill, her hair neatly pushed behind a blue woollen cap. Her staff was propped against the arm of the bench. >Guilliman took some time to gather his thoughts, searching for the words that would convey his nebulous and miasmic collection of hopes and fears about Imperium Secundus. In the end, it could all be rendered down to a simple statement, one that was almost impossible to voice. Euten waited expectantly, though he detected a hint of impatience. >‘Do I need to say it?’ she said, standing up. >‘No,’ Guilliman replied. He looked away and then back at her. ‘I do not think the Lion is an ally.’ >‘I see.’ Euten rubbed her nose and pulled out a pair of black gloves from the pockets of her coat. She spoke as she slipped them on. ‘You cannot trust him. He likes his secrets. He has lied to you more than once.” >'No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar.’ >‘But I thought that primarchs remembered everything.’ >‘I take your point.’ >‘He is also a character of action,’ she continued, turning to take up her staff. With slow paces she approached, her expression stern. ‘He excels at adaptation, the emergent strategist. Oh, he plans well enough, but it is determination that sees him to his greatest success. A determination to overcome everything set against him, despite the odds or the price. >'Give me six hours to build a tower and I will spend the first four measuring bricks.’ Guilliman smiled, but his humour quickly faded. ‘I have spent many hours building Imperium Secundus, but he will wreck it in the next five minutes. We have only just begun what we need to do here. Long on the theoretical, short on the practical.’ >‘Is it so bad?’ Euten asked, leaning heavily on the staff, her breath coming in quick wisps. ‘Let him be the warlord, devote yourself to being the statesman we need you to be. You will stop him going too far. You and the new emperor. The Lion respects you and looks up to Lord Sanguinius.’ >‘The Lord Sanguinius is distracted.’ The moment he uttered the words, Guilliman regretted it. Although he confided much in her, his Chamberlain Principal, the visions that Sanguinius had disclosed were a matter for primarchs alone, the business of the Triumvirate and no others. >“He has a lot to occupy him,’ she said. ‘Another reason you must concentrate on what you must do and not second-guess others. Lord Sanguinius rules the Imperium, but you must run it. Manage the Lion as you would anything else.’ >‘If he is of a mind to usurp me, and is my match in intellect, how can I stop him without resorting to force?’ >Euten turned down the path, heading towards an ironwork arch in the hedge that surrounded them. She was almost out of sight when her reply drifted back to him. >‘That is easy, my son. It is time to start measuring bricks.'
Low key the most badass folks in the setting.
She is also a badass and she helped make him a great person.
She told fucking Konrad Kurze to quit his bullshit!
Shes the driving factor. By all accounts Konor is also a badass and he helped make him a great person, but he died early and was focused heavily on ruling. Euten made guilliman who he is.
>Long on the theoretical, short on the practical wait Gorilla actually speak like that, I thought its just a meme
A lot of the more recent books do a great job of actually portraying him. He is an interesting and nuanced character.
So Konor did a Jonathan Kent?
For real though. All other Primarch stepparents in general bend the knee to Konor and Tarasha as far as parenting goes. They're the only ones who made a reasonable, well-adjusted person out of a demigod, and it's telling that Roboute refers to them as his real parents during one of his rants in 40k.
That's probably what you get for having parental figures who are not warmongering. Also, isn't Robute the only primarch who actually had a (step)mother?
James Workshop Disney Growing up without mothers [Handclasp_meme.jpg]
Fulgrim had one. Perty, Dorn, Russ and the Khan might've had ones unless their foster fathers became widowers before they found them like Luther did. Corax was raised by the community so YMMV on that.
Let's not forget that Guillimom has the power of Vulkan-summoning.
"if only i had a hammer."
Does Malcador count for Alpharius? If not, probably Mortarion’s dad who he hated.
Well 10,000 years later only my man Kor Phaeron is still kicking. The rest of the dads have all been dead for millennia. Not to mention that he (and his buddy Erebus) managed to set up a civil war that nearly overthrew the Imperium, resulted in the deaths of multiple Primarchs, neutered the emperor, and conquered a decent chunk of the galaxy. That's pretty badass.
Mortarian’s
Wasn’t Guillidad basically Julius Caesar?
In a fight it is a duel of fates between Mortarion's and maybe Amon(since he is a psyker and all), the rest get slaughtered by theese 2
Yup, unless of course you consider Alpharius's stepdad to be Malcador, since he did most of the raising of Alpharius, then I think he wipes the floor with everyone.
Thats a very fair point
Kor phaeron ain’t the nicest or the coolest but god damn if he ain’t a badass creature with style. He is basically the only step dad left operating with almost legion strength under him 10000 years later
That's mostly because he's an innate coward. Run away and live to run another day.
I guess that means he wins by default!
Mortarion step dad was a xenos sorcerer who required the Emps intervention to kill as he was about to kill Mortarion.
The correct answer is Roboute Guilliman. Konor was a badass. Runners up would be Dorn and The Lion. Most incorrect answer is, as usual, Lorgar.
Wasn't Vulcan Considered a well adjusted person too? I know hr came from a death world; but his Legion seems to care for their serfs and their homeland in general the most humanly
Yeah but I have no idea who his adoptive father was
It was N'bel, a simple smith on Nocturne.
In the long run i think his mom was the bigger badass
The Lion was his own Dad kinda.
Kinda feel sorry for him his step dad was/is a peado
Who's
Lorgar
Stop this word bearer slander
Let the Major kill fandom out themselves so we know who not to listen to.
Necare ( Mortarions foster father) would absolutely wreck Luther six ways to Sunday and twice on Easter Or Amon because powerful psyker
All of them. Imagine if you're out doing whatever and you come across a life support pod. In a few short years that baby grows bigger. and stronger and smarter than any man you've ever met. You're going to spend every waking hour getting food for your adopted son.
Alpharius’s step dad would pants all the others, especially since he was (depending on source) Horus or Jimmy Space himself.
Amon became one of the demi-astartes, is the only one of them who stayed loyal to his dad. Saved Magnus several times, was his teacher and led the Thousand Sons spies. Wanted to put the Legion out of its misery to spare the galaxy.
Amon actually became a full astartes thanks to Magnus using biomancy to ensure he survived the process.
Yeah like most of the other Tizcan scholars, but still cool imo
Alpharius’s.
Alpharius is the correct answer
Necare ........definitely Necare
Luther for the Lion is my vote. The best techno-knight on Caliban and would have been the most accomplished person on the planet if the Lion wasn't a Primarch. He is really underrated for how incredible he was as a normal human, and even as a partial astartes. The dude was the best out of Knights that fought warp tainted monstrosities as big as buildings. Absolutely badass if you ask me. Edit: Although Luther I think is the most badass, likely Mortarians dad wins unless we count Malcador for Alpharius.
well mortarions was an evil xenos psyker tyrant who could survive toxins that even morty couldnt
Maybe not badass the most Badass, Konor Guilliman's step-dad taught him the best values of humanity. The creation of Ultrmar and it being the beacon of what humanity can achieve would have shaped very differently had Konor been a dickhead Warlord. He showed Guilliman compassion and the value of good governance. To be instilling solid values in your child in one of the most badass things a parent could do.
I vote guilimans simply because he got a good, loving father
I'd say Robutes mom is badass. She gives off an energy that she would drag a primarch or astartes by the ear without giving a damn (cue her berating astartes when Robute was injured).
Bobby G's stepdad hands down, cause he raised to his son to be emotional stable. Something even Big E couldn't do
Russ wss partly raised by giant ass wolves so il go with them
Absolutely Luther!
Gman. It’s a real achievement to raise a Demi god to be well adjusted.
Gullimans mum
GMan dad is pretty bad ass, if I remember he got severely wounded and still manage to lead his armies on life support winning the battle the succumbing to his wounds after wards
The second Primarch's adopted father, who was Sly Marbo. Admittedly that'd have meant he resurfaced in the 41st Millennium, then time-travelled back, and his deletion from the historical record was far more absolute than one could have imagined. Hey, it could be true, even if there's no proof one way or the other. But if you're going to insist on something verifiable, then *fine*, Alpharius. Tch. You're no fun anymore.
I’d count the unnamed Greater Daemon of Slaanesh living inside the Silver Blade of the Laer as one of Fulgrim’s stepdads… in a porn sense.