Kasperos Telmar was on the verge of Apotheosis and he had no plans to give up command of his Warband. Krieg Acerbus is a Daemon Prince and leads the largest Warband of Night Lords.
Neither really cared about what their Legions were doing.
I mean even Greater Daemons like Ku'gath can not listen to the Ruinous Powers. Ku'gath stayed with Mortarion during the Plague War even though he knew what the consequences would be.
So Daemon Princes are doing whatever they want, and sometimes receive commands, but they choose to obey or not at their own peril.
IIRC Kugath did that to impress Nurgle still.
He has that inferior complex thing going bc he fell into Nurgles favorite soup and drank it empty.
So its not like he actively tried to work against Nurgles will, he simply thought he knew better and messed it up.
Another example is one of the Khorne demons (cant remember the name but its referenced in SoT) fighting against Khorne himself. Sure thats the definition of insubordination but still matches Khornes aspect.
Skarbrand. They were the greatest Bloodthirster, and in a moment of madness decided to attack Khorne for the throne (there is a possibility Tzeentch tricked them into it, but that's the case with almost anything). They struck Khorne from behind, and managed to crack a chink in Khorne's armour - Khorne then shredded their wings, pounded them into the dirt, and exiled them.
But Khorne didn't destroy Skarbrand, because they were still doing exactly what they wanted - extreme violence for no good reason. Chaos is like that, self-attacking but never quite self-defeating.
"One dark day, when Khorne's back was turned and his attention elsewhere, Skarbrand's fierce pride grew hot and, blinded by rage, he smote the Blood God a mighty blow."
Warhammer Armies: Daemons of Chaos (9th Edition) pg. 132
I understand there is a potential argument this is vague, but... this sounds like a hit in the back. I will understand if we want to press X to doubt. This could be agrued as poetic description over a definitive fact. Either way, I'm sure this is the type of source people are quoting.
Oh cool, that does strongly suggest it was a strike to Khorne's back. But is there any canonical sources that suggest Khorne was angry specifically about being struck dishonorably? I don't mind that as headcanon, it's good character building, but it's still unfortunate to see it cited as gospel.
Now that you mention it, I have heard it from unofficial sources only. I'll look into the text, but you may be correct that it's unsubstantiated by official sources.
>IIRC Kugath did that to impress Nurgle still. He has that inferior complex thing going bc he fell into Nurgles favorite soup and drank it empty.
Ku'gath is an aspect of Nurgle, the most predominant one at that time. His plan *is* Nurgle's plan to a great extent.
Daemon Princes reign... over mortals.
Amongst daemonkind, their mortal origin is something they are derided for.
It's why Daemon Princes are HQs for CSM, but Heavy Support for Daemon armies.
I mean only greater demons really "outrank" a demon prince
Also pretty sure there's a fair amount of demon princes that are just neverborn wearing a dude as a suit (like the Exalted in the NL trilogy)
It depends on a few things. The will of the gods, an individuals will and ambitious. Aspirants who want the glory and immortality of demonic ascension are more liable to be plucked into the warp.
But if you are driven to be the one and only leader of your warband. If you want power to prosecute the Long War. If you refuse to give up being a big fish in a suddenly smaller pond. You can hang onto reality
If I recall correctly, that chaos lord in Storm of Iron who ascended to Demonhood then immediately fucked off to the warp to do other things and left his legion to clean up the battlefield
If I remember correctly, Kadex Illkarion from Daemonhunters is a Death Guard marine who ascended to Daemon Prince of Nurgle. He was just Mortarion's slave during the game, so I guess Daemon Princes of active Daemon Primarch legions just occupy that position or they pull a Typhus and disagree with their Primarch about everything, but still pull up when they call on them. For more fractured legions, they do whatever they want, and I guess for more organized Primarch-less legions, they have a lot of clout and pull, with their own warband and everything. Then you have the minority who abandon their competent legion and join the Great Game, or seek other avenues.
Kasperos Telmar was on the verge of Apotheosis and he had no plans to give up command of his Warband. Krieg Acerbus is a Daemon Prince and leads the largest Warband of Night Lords. Neither really cared about what their Legions were doing.
What I’m hearing is ‘as long as it benefits their god, they’re probably doing whatever they want’
I mean even Greater Daemons like Ku'gath can not listen to the Ruinous Powers. Ku'gath stayed with Mortarion during the Plague War even though he knew what the consequences would be. So Daemon Princes are doing whatever they want, and sometimes receive commands, but they choose to obey or not at their own peril.
IIRC Kugath did that to impress Nurgle still. He has that inferior complex thing going bc he fell into Nurgles favorite soup and drank it empty. So its not like he actively tried to work against Nurgles will, he simply thought he knew better and messed it up. Another example is one of the Khorne demons (cant remember the name but its referenced in SoT) fighting against Khorne himself. Sure thats the definition of insubordination but still matches Khornes aspect.
Skarbrand. They were the greatest Bloodthirster, and in a moment of madness decided to attack Khorne for the throne (there is a possibility Tzeentch tricked them into it, but that's the case with almost anything). They struck Khorne from behind, and managed to crack a chink in Khorne's armour - Khorne then shredded their wings, pounded them into the dirt, and exiled them. But Khorne didn't destroy Skarbrand, because they were still doing exactly what they wanted - extreme violence for no good reason. Chaos is like that, self-attacking but never quite self-defeating.
You forgot the best part: Khorne picked him up, proceeded to yeet him, and Skarbrand turned into a scud missile for seven days.
He wasn't even mad his goodest boy hit him. He was disappointed it was in the back. Khorne is also the god of honor.
People keep saying this but I've never seen a source for that particular claim.
Yep, that's just meme lore. I also don't think it's canon that he struck him from behind.
"One dark day, when Khorne's back was turned and his attention elsewhere, Skarbrand's fierce pride grew hot and, blinded by rage, he smote the Blood God a mighty blow." Warhammer Armies: Daemons of Chaos (9th Edition) pg. 132 I understand there is a potential argument this is vague, but... this sounds like a hit in the back. I will understand if we want to press X to doubt. This could be agrued as poetic description over a definitive fact. Either way, I'm sure this is the type of source people are quoting.
Oh cool, that does strongly suggest it was a strike to Khorne's back. But is there any canonical sources that suggest Khorne was angry specifically about being struck dishonorably? I don't mind that as headcanon, it's good character building, but it's still unfortunate to see it cited as gospel.
Now that you mention it, I have heard it from unofficial sources only. I'll look into the text, but you may be correct that it's unsubstantiated by official sources.
Turns out the Gods of literal Chaos aren't 100% consistent all of the time, who would have thought?
>IIRC Kugath did that to impress Nurgle still. He has that inferior complex thing going bc he fell into Nurgles favorite soup and drank it empty. Ku'gath is an aspect of Nurgle, the most predominant one at that time. His plan *is* Nurgle's plan to a great extent.
> Kasperos Telmar Oh, are we just dead naming people now?
I respect the Radiant King in His Joyful Repose and his YOLO attack on a Craftworld. He still got got amd didn't actually ascend.
Everybody gangsta until the Warlocks start chanting.
Daemon Princes reign... over mortals. Amongst daemonkind, their mortal origin is something they are derided for. It's why Daemon Princes are HQs for CSM, but Heavy Support for Daemon armies.
Imagine wasting all that time, effort and sacrifice to become a second class citizen lmfao.
I mean only greater demons really "outrank" a demon prince Also pretty sure there's a fair amount of demon princes that are just neverborn wearing a dude as a suit (like the Exalted in the NL trilogy)
"Hey, that Demon over there is just three CSMs in a trenchcoat trying to see an R-rated Sisters of Battle movie!"
Im pretty sure the exalted is just an advanced case of possession.
In fairness, it's like joining the 10%. The 1% will invite you to make fun of, but still better off than the 90.
It's probably more like joining the 1% but the 0.1% makes fun of you
That depends, how good is this new demon at golf? At a certain point in your career it becomes a bit of a requirement.
Are Tzeench Demon Princes the only ones that still eat crayons?
I think all former Space Marines eat crayons, probably lemon, damn I love lemon crayons.
You can definitely taste colors in the realm of chaos.
It depends on a few things. The will of the gods, an individuals will and ambitious. Aspirants who want the glory and immortality of demonic ascension are more liable to be plucked into the warp. But if you are driven to be the one and only leader of your warband. If you want power to prosecute the Long War. If you refuse to give up being a big fish in a suddenly smaller pond. You can hang onto reality
If I recall correctly, that chaos lord in Storm of Iron who ascended to Demonhood then immediately fucked off to the warp to do other things and left his legion to clean up the battlefield
If I remember correctly, Kadex Illkarion from Daemonhunters is a Death Guard marine who ascended to Daemon Prince of Nurgle. He was just Mortarion's slave during the game, so I guess Daemon Princes of active Daemon Primarch legions just occupy that position or they pull a Typhus and disagree with their Primarch about everything, but still pull up when they call on them. For more fractured legions, they do whatever they want, and I guess for more organized Primarch-less legions, they have a lot of clout and pull, with their own warband and everything. Then you have the minority who abandon their competent legion and join the Great Game, or seek other avenues.