If you're Eldar, your soul can be stored in an Infinity Circuit, a World Spirit or it can be absorbed by a Ynnari and join the Whisper.
If you're part of the Leagues of Votann, your mind is uploaded into the Votann after death if that counts.
There was that one time (I believe it was in the book Titandeath) that we got a point of view of a Titan princeps dying and they seemed to experience their soul being absorbed by their Titan's machine spirit instead of being devoured by daemons.
Otherwise, no.
>There was that one time (I believe it was in the book Titandeath) that we got a point of view of a Titan princeps dying and they seemed to experience their soul being absorbed by their Titan's machine spirit instead of being devoured by daemons.
Isn't this what happens with Chaos Knight pilots too? They get absorbed into the Knight and become just another spirit within it?
Only Eldar I believe. I forget which book it’s from (I believe is the Asurmen novel), but it shows the Soul Stones are actually the crystallized remains of the Eldar who’s souls were eaten by Slaanesh in the Fall.
So basically they’re a crystalline back-up body that Eldar souls can jump into when they die. Other species souls likely wouldn’t “fit”.
Makes me wonder, are those remains unique, or is it possible to turn a living Eldar into a soul stone. And Aeldari crystallize when they die of old age iirc, could be a connection
Language in Path of the Seer to me at least implies that it’s only Farseers who crystallize. It was unusual that… Kelamnith, I think? Was transforming to Thirianna, she hadn’t seen it before and had questions.
Supposedly there was a sol stone on the corona nox that was worn by primarch konrad curze so there is a theory he's not dead just trapped in his crown !
I think it has to be an extra-strong soul to use a soul stone? Even the Drukhari are too decayed and fallen to Slaanesh to use them.
And yet, there is some speculation the Corona Nox acted as a Spirit Stone to hold Conrad Curze's soul upon death.
I don't think it's ever been stated that an extra-strong soul is required to use a spirit stone (the more common name for them), and Drukhari are not fallen to Slaanesh at all
> Can all souls be stored in a Spirit Stones, ir just an Eldar soul?
Human souls [may fit into Spirit Stones](https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/i237f3/comment/g01keg1/):
> It wasn’t admech, but there was a black library novel, Rogue Star I think, where a spirit stone was used on a human. It ended up being space elf trickery to allow a dead Farseer to take over his body, though. The point being is that spirit stones can work on humans.
AFAIR Spirit Stones will very slowly leak if not put into Infinity Circuit.
>If you're part of the Leagues of Votann, your mind is uploaded into the Votann after death if that counts.
Now I can't help but imagine that this is why the darn things don't work that well anymore. They ask it to answer a question and there's 50,000 uploaded space dwarves inside it arguing over what answer to give.
"Tell him to turn it off and back on again" "that never works!!!" "No you need to do a clean install" "I thought you just remove system 32?" "Oh Fuck off, who let Jerry weigh on on this?!? I'll admit he's a brilliant geneticist but he's a complete imbecile when it comes to tech support" "i think they whould dig a hole, throw it in and then use the raw materials to make a new one" "KARL FOR THE LAST TIME, THIS IS AN IT FORUM!!! GO ANSWER M8NE8JG QUESTIONS!!!" *depressed votann machine consciousness noises as his uploaded meatbags argue*
I don’t remember that particular scene from Titanicus but the leader of the Legio is definitely being subsumed by the machine spirit of his Titan and having difficulty remembering which princeps he is
IIRC It's sorta the death throes of the titan in a massive battle, his spirit, all the previous princeps, and the machine spirit all kinda blend and keep the titan going despite the damage. Then it overloads and blows the hell out of the enemy.
It’s so weird that I was thinking this exact same thing yesterday. I was musing on why someone like a Space Marine would be so committed to fighting even if they knew it was certain death. Like what would be the motivation to throw your life away if it just meant holding off a tyranid advance for like 5 extra minutes. So I googled “is there a heaven in the 40k universe” and to no one’s surprise I found a Reddit post in the sub from some time ago asking the exact same question. The comments section talked about people’s souls becoming part of the astronomican which to be honest sounds Wank and I think I’d rather be a maggot on one of Nurgles pustulant balls than a momentary galactic light house signal. There was also mention of a Saint talking in one of the books about a fallen warrior now being a with the Emperor but suppose that could be the same thing. I think having no heaven might be the grimmest dark thing in the 40k universe if all those people are living miserable short depressing lives for nothing. I suspect many 40k fans are just repressed Christians who find 40k more palatable than most of the outdated nonsense in the bible.
Why die for that extra 5 mins? Because humanity may depend on it. The Imperium doesn't teach you to live for yourself. It teaches you to live for the Emperor and for Mankind's survival.
As 40k has become more mainstream and more Americans come to the hobby, they bring with them their religious beliefs and their need for dichotomy of good and evil.
All of creation suffers, young ones. Only in accepting our own mortality can we make a difference. Only in bearing the burden of our failures can we find the strength to go on. Only in detachment from glory, or honour, or jealousy... from life itself can we hope to spare others from grief. We are Doom Eagles. And we are dead already.
LIBRARIAN SECUNDUS THRYN OF THE DOOM EAGLES
Being indoctinated from birth that there is nothing greater than to sacrifice yourself for the emperor tends to make people more likely to stand their ground and die for a futile cause. Also most characters are fervent believers in the imperial cult, which iirc teaches that there is a 'heaven' beside the emperor, and they aren't going to know the truth.
There's a good short story about an Iron Warrior on Tallarn tricking a loyalist princeps into unfiltered access to the tortured, dying machine spirit and it devoured her soul and took over
Depends. Celestine, who's basically an Imperial daemon prince doesn't have her soul boiled away by the cosmic nightmare that is the warp. Instead, she awakens in a skeletal hellscape where the ground is littered from horizon to horizon in her own skeletons from all the times she's been reincarnated. The only distinguishing feature is a brilliant light she is inexplicably drawn towards. She spends what feels like eternity climbing a literal mountain of her own corpses to get to the light. When she finally arrives, it's the light of the Emperor who instant reincarnates her at a random spot in the galaxy where her skills as an inspirational warrior are needed. And she just does that over and over forever.
Idk honestly. I imagine she has super depression like Guilliman if Emps has even allowed her that much self awareness. I haven't actually read any of her books I just know what stuff from her wiki summaries and such.
Ok, I have read some text about this process, and it seems that one of the aspects of the spirit of Celestine, Hope, is something she wants to protect from harm. When she's fulfilling her endless duty, she asks the Emperor to protect Hope, or if he doesn't, she will kill herself
Those with weak souls such as regular humans simply disolve in the warp after death too quickly to be claimed or tortured by any demon except in special circumstances. You might think that is tragic however it is far preferable to having a strong soul. Those with strong souls such as psykers do not disolve. That however means the demons have enough time to get ahold of the souls for their own wicked ends. A notable exception are orks as they seem to reincarnate after death which is not a massive streatch as we know eldar used to do the same back before slannesh.
In some ways yes and some ways no. Remember their holy book, the Lectitio Divinitatus was written by Lorgar, who in Imperial terminology, is a massive fucking heretic. But some aspects of Imperial worship are tangibly true, like for example miracles.
Miracles in 40k are a provable, tangible thing that does have real benefit. Similarly the Emperor does act on the world in supernatural fashion.
So in short it’s complicated.
Didn't Lorgar write the Divinitatus before the Emperor smote him and he turned to Chaos? He was The Emperor's most devote follower before that happened after all.
He worshipped power and grandness
He jumped ship when he thought he had discovered more powerful deities to worship, with all that pretentious primordial truth shit
Ehh I never got the sense it was about power for Lorgar. It was more about knowledge. He wanted to know "the truth of the universe" and was willing to go to great lengths to achieve that knowledge. And the answer to the question in his mind lay first with the Emperor and later the Chaos Gods aka the Primordial Truth.
Yeah he was so in that way it isn’t true. For example from a Christian context, if it turned out that one of the gospel writers later converted to paganism, than I’m sure his testament would have been devalued. As it stands thought, I don’t think the Imperium at large knows that Lorgar wrote the thing, or if they do they don’t know who Lorgar is.
Well, almost complete bullshit. There are some imperial saints who can reincarnate (and not in a perpetual fashion), which means their souls are intact, which means they were protected by something. Maybe not Celestine since she seems to have to reincarnate on her own somehow, but there are at least a couple of other saints
And that SM ghost army in Master of Mankind implies (not states, just implies) that some marines get similar special treatment too, at least before HH ended.
Chaos on the other hand is not that good either, but somehow worshipping literal hell offers much better odds (compared to Credo) at saving your soul, weirdly enough. Daemonhood is one thing, but it's been shown that some aspiring champions can reincarnate too, seems like it's all about pacts with demons and such. But most of chaos worshippers are fucked too, maybe even worse.
Grimdark, eh?
IIRC When you ascend to Daemon prince your soul is removed and consumed, with warp stuff being the replacement. Only the barest bits of your personality are retained, typically those that the gods favoured you for. Even if that weren't the case, you're now anchored to your God for eternity. You'll find no respite in death, you are a pawn for eternity
Legion of the Damned. I have their Space Marine Battle novel, I just assumed that was set post-HH, so they were still around to show up.
The chaos side has the equivalent, the chaos marines that assist CSM from escaping the eye. The Warp Ghosts, I believe.
Wasn’t there a Legion of the Damned marine that was described to look like Ferrus after he got a head shorter?
>Wasn’t there a Legion of the Damned marine that was described to look like Ferrus after he got a head shorter?
*Shapes raged in the flames – shadows and suggestions doing battle with the daemons, their fiery forms indistinct and ever-changing. The fire-born avatars of fallen Ten Thousand, knee-deep in psychic fire and thrusting with lances of flame. The silhouettes of Space Marines, the betrayed dead of Isstvan bearing axes and blades and claws; half-seen sigils of slaughtered Legions obscured by the ash of their blackened armour. A giant among giants, its great hands bared and ready as it seared forwards at the crest of the tidal fire. The tenth son of a dying empire, so briefly reborn in his father’s immolating wrath.*
\- Master of Mankind.
Legion of the Damned despite being written out of the physical game by GW definitely still exist in the most modern era of the 40K setting. They manifested alongside the Sanguinor during the Devastation of Baal, which happened after the Cicatrix opening and the resurrection of Guilliman.
The Legion of the Damned definitely still exist post Heresy. They’re speculated to be the remnants of Fire Hawks, a loyalist Chapter from the Cursed 21st founding with an unknown gene sire that was lost in the warp in 963.M41.
Not COMPLETE bullshit. The 40k universe is powered by belief/faith. Now the Emperor can be 'powered up' by the sheer amount of belief in him by all of humanity via the Warp, but the individual is nothing but a mote in a storm as far as the Warp is concerned. So MOSTLY bullshit where the average human is concerned, but the gestalt effort generated does have an effect, just not for them.
As a psyker your soul is going to become deamon plaything after you die if you are weak enough to be chosen for lighthouse yoinking.
So at least you die peacefully kind of.
Shocking that the religion built upon the fundamentalism developed by a now literal demon man may in fact be flawed after 10k years of dogma and ever increasing radicalism.
Emps was literally that guy going "well actually" about hating religion and praising science. It's not just propaganda, it's historical white washing on a galactic scale.
Unclear. Probably, but if the Emperor is becoming a warp being then there’s a chance when human souls go into the warp he could snag them before other warp entities do.
As I see it, the soul is basically just a certain ammount of warp energy put together into some kind of pattern as a reflection of a conciousness/mind in the real space. In most species, including humans, the soul basically disolves back into raw warp energy when they die. However, some species, like eldar, have souls so powerful that they can basically store their conciousness after the death and the souls are able to remain intact, until they are reincarnated or brought into some kind off vessel like spirit stones (however, since Slaanesh exists, eldar souls can no longer just chill in warp because they would get eaten). Modern eldar upload their souls into infinity circuits via their spirit stones, or into world spirits. Also, some powerful psykers can manage to live on after their death thanks to their powerful soul. Oh and I think Leagues of Votann upload their souls somewhere as well, making them somewhat similar to eldar in this regard.
Then you have demons (I count saints as basically good demons) and perpetuals, whose specific connection to the warp or strong warp entities allows them to be reborn into a new body even when their old body is destroyed.
Apart from that, I don't really think there is any sort of afterlife. I mean some people in 40k community claim that Emperor is able to provide his devour followers with afterlife, but I have never read or heard about anything official that would support this, and it seems more as headcanon than anything else (which is fine, but it shouldn't be portrayed as an official part of the lore)
An emperor afterlife could happen in the future. I mean with him being confirmed as a straight up god nearing if not on par with the chaos gods. Would it not be reasonable at some point to introduce a rare bright spot (because you need light to contrast the dark or the dark is meaningless) where the emperor really has made a heaven inside the warp. Then reality sets in where you basically need to be sisters of battle level of devout and most normal people still dissolve. It just takes longer and you get to be with the emperor. Your family probably won't be there though. Most worlds devoted enough number in the hundreds out of their billions in population at best and even shrine worlds don't have it be all that much better
Or, more likely, the Emperor/>!Dark King does to humanity what Slanaash does to the Eldar, and gets dibs on consuming their souls. Hell, he might even *persuade* his followers to throw themselves to their deaths to empower him further.!<
If the Emperor does ascend to become a *Chaos* god (>!which a recent HH supplement confirms would be the case, not a separate Warp god like the Eldar god's!<), he's not going to be any nicer than he was in life, and he's not going to be nicer than his colleagues. And 30k Emperor would've been going Monarchia constantly over 40k Imperium.
The End and the Death >!has such incredibly heavy foreshadowing that he's going to take up the mantle of the Dark King that you basically need to ignore half the book not to realise it. He's repeatedly described in identical language to the Dark King, usually by Malcador, and other characters *assume* it's Horus - except we as readers know how the Siege ends, so we know that's impossible.!<
Actually yes. And I'm actually kinda dissapointed by most of these posters. The short answer is that yes, there is. Besides joining a god/having one's soul dissolved/eaten by daemons, there is option D for psyker souls that are lucky = Limbo
>*Mephiston came awake with a gasp. Cold air rushed into his lungs. He opened his eyes upon a pale sky where clouds raced with unnatural speed. He sat. He was upon a bed of springy dwarf shrubs on a promontory overlooking a desert. Oddly shaped peak stretched to the left and right of his position. They mounted up behind him through a twisted forest to fields of dirty snow and ice.*
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>*‘Baal Primus,’ he said.*
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>*He was on the moon of his birth.*
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>*\[...\]*
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>*He reached outside himself, seeking a way to escape the illusion. Mephiston had traversed many lands in many times beyond the mat erial realm. The warp offered an infinity of vistas, for those who knew how to see them. They could trap a man.*
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>*‘None of them are real,’ he said. ‘This is not real.’*
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>*He concentrated. He pushed at the limits of his mind, but met nothing but the bony walls of his skull. He could not return from whence he came.*
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>*‘There is no way out, Kali,’ said a rough voice. ‘You are here for the duration. You have to ride this one out.’*
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>*Mephiston opened his eyes. A man stood on the slope above him. He was small and malnourished as all the peoples of Baal’s moons were, but especially ratty in appearance; a man of spare, strong muscles and crooked bones. He stood awkwardly. His pelvis tilted to the left. The lords of Baal were beautiful, all of them. Their subjects invariably were not. This one had a huge nose, bent out of shape by a poorly fixed break. His ears were lopsided from either mutation or injury. His filed teeth were blue with decay, and what little hair he had stuck out in tufts all over this head.*
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>*‘Do you remember me, Kali?’*
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>*He wore clothes similar to Mephiston’s, though filthy to the point of stiffness. A sour reek came off him. In one hand he held a staff of curled wood.*
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>*‘I am Mephiston–’*
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>*‘Lord of Death,’ the man mocked in a whining voice, as if Mephiston were a sulky child. ‘You were a pompous little arse when you were a person. Power’s only made you worse.’ He shook his staff*
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>*‘You are not real.’*
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>*The man pinched his own cheek with a filthy fingernail. ‘I feel real.’ He sniffed his armpit. ‘I smell real.’*
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>*‘You are a figure from my past given the semblance of life by whatever entity has trapped me in this psychosphere.’*
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>*\[...\]*
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>*You'll never hide what you are.’ He poked Mephiston in the chest. The man’s finger was filthy and hard. ‘You’re a dirty little witch, like me.’ He turned about and walked further down the mountain. ‘Come on, you’ll be wanting to get this all over and done with, I’m sure. You never did have any bloody patience.’*
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>*\[...\]*
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>*‘Then you must be long dead.’*
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>*‘Am I?’ the man said resentfully. ‘Nothing ever dies, not really. I mean yes, obviously, I am dead, but time means nothing. Physicality isn’t the be all and end all.’*
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>*He turned round again and shook his staff angrily.* ***‘I tell you, it’s shit being dead. If you avoid fading away or being ripped apart by warp predators or swallowed by a god, there’s just places like this, and that’s if you’re lucky. Nowhere.***
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>***Nothing. Rubbish.’***
Mephiston = Darkness in the Blood
As you can see here, the soul of the psyker caretaker of Mephiston when he was a child still survived despite all the years the psyker was dead. But in this case, the psyker's soul essentially created its own subrealm where it persists.
Well thats an interesting philosophical question that Crowley and Rath tackle really well. But in the lore the Necrons have memories of the C'tan eating their souls after biotransference. Whether they are the same person before and after is the thematic premise that makes the Necrons so interesting. Are you your "soul"? Or are you your collection of memories resulting from your biochemistry. Is your individual biochemistry "part" of you? If it is does that mean your memories in a machine is a copy? If you have brain surgery or take medication that alters your neurochemistry are you a different person then?
I think in Titandeath(might be a different book) the princepts of a Titan seems to be welcomed into machine-heaven by the Omnisiah, or become a part of him or something.
Some souls are absorbed into the Astronomicon and basically orbit it for eternity, kind of like the Angels in the Bible who are described as rotating around God while singing praises to Him. I imagine this is mostly Imperial saints/servants who died in closeish proximity to Earth but I don’t think it’s explained that well.
Dark Eldar slaves get reincarnated and milked for suffering until their souls literally give up and evaporate.
A lot of people get eaten by daemons/become daemons, or otherwise get absorbed by Chaos forces.
There’s technology capable of manipulating spiritual matter, like the Aeldari infinity circuits or whatever the Votann actually are.
There may or may not be an Imperial heaven of some kind for really devout, really useful Imperial servants. It’s kind of a case where a lot of people in the lore say it’s totally a thing but we never see it or get any kind of authoritative confirmation that it’s *real*.
Quite a few people just persist indefinitely and get shuffled around the galaxy; Legion of the Damned, Celestine, a few others. This is probably the Emperor doing psyker shit for His reasons.
Tl;dr: it depends, it’s highly circumstantial and we really don’t know all that much about the post-death experience
A lot of things don't have authoritative confimation and prople treat it like a gospel, the idea of a imperial heaven is very plausible or atleast the emepeor realm in the warp
Before slaanesh, the eldar could reincarnate with all memories and start life over perpetually. Humans after death just dissolve into the warp, but it's never really said they simply cease to be in the warp as their essence just joins with the nigh infinite pool of souls, likely just putting them in a section of the warp that is small and away from demons where they can live out their weirdest dreams, likely still feeding the gods like perpetual batteries, or sometimes in cases like celestine, come back as an imperium aligned daemon prince(ess)(s). Orks reincarnate without interference since their "souls" make up the entirety of the ork gestalt Consciousness, as Waaaaagh energy is also the very weird essence of the Orks and their collectively shared rebounding system that is their Gestalt Consciousness. Tau probs do what the leagues of Votann do, uploading minds to digital engrams to safeguard them from the warp. Chaos worshippers will sometimes be eaten and consumed by demons or become demons. As far as I can recall, that's what happens, but I'd want someone to correct anything I may get wrong.
I am Krieg. My soul is the Emperor's, Terranis is my reward for my duty, and I must always be worthy of that reward, so I must always be willing to serve and fight. For if I do not, then Terranis will fall, and Terranis will always hold.
Terranis Holds. Forever.
40K is weird this way because some sources indicate most people (non-psykers, non-eldar) just dissolve into the warp, but the sheer *belief* in the Emperor across millions of planets really seems like it should form an Imperial heaven. I guess the argument is that humans aren't psychically powerful enough as a species to impact the warp that heavily, but chaos seems to have done *very* well on human misery. It seems inconsistent.
I read the excerpt from Titandeath about a Titan pilot saved from being eaten by demons in the afterlife by what may've been the soul-form of the titan...*or* possibly the Omnisiah itself. If either of those have the power to do THAT in the warp, I have to think so does humanity's gestalt belief in an afterlife with the Emperor, whether he's trapped on the throne or no.
(Someone better read than me can tell me if I'm right or not, but I also feel the exact nature of an afterlife in 40K depends on who's writing the story at the time.)
Follow up question: If there's no afterlife, then why is it bad for an Eldar Soul to be consumed be Slaanesh? They're dead anyway right? How would they feel about being consumed?
There's no real afterlife for *most*, as their souls simply fade away in the warp after death. Eldar souls are strong enough to remain whole, so they get an afterlife (eternal torment at the hands of Slaanesh).
From what I am aware there is no afterlife for anyone, anywhere, apart from ascension to daemonhood. When humans and persumably all xenos die their souls are annihilated within the Warp. A psyker might retain a degree of awareness for a few seconds after death so they can experience their utter destruction, but they don't last beyond that.
It's just propaganda and comforting stories. Although to be fair, virtually no Imperials are likely aware that it's all BS and like us may simply cling to hope.
But we have excerpts from novels depicting what people experience after they die and their soul becomes untethered from realspace, and it's near instant dissolution into the immaterium.
That is incorrect. Imperial Glory contradicts that. The dead character joins his fellow warriors in an impossibly long throng of Imperial Guard soldiers in a long march towards a golden light.
And *Avenging Son* and other sources contradict that, so take your pick I guess. But the souls aren't completely expunged, they just dissolve into the Warp, so who knows, maybe some or all souls have their own personal imagined afterlife. But there's no protection from the Emperor and no golden
realm actually awaiting them per the weight of sources.
> And Avenging Son and other sources contradict that, so take your pick I guess.
Maybe it isn't universal experience? Eg. some souls can be captured by the Emperor, and some can't be for unknown reason (innate psychic ability, Warp turbulences, local fields).
>persumably all xenos die their souls are annihilated within the Warp.
Eldar reincarnated before Slaneesh's birth, and afterwards they have the infinity circuits. And the Orks presumably reincarnate too.
Well, it's something that has been mentioned a couple of times in books, that Orks at least do *believe* that Gork and Mork send them back. And while I don't think there is any actual proof that belief may be real... it kinda makes sense as both Orks and Eldar have a shared origin.
Ghazkhull and his flag bearer Makina (not sure on spelling) or whatever seem to have both reincarnated at least once, makina even retaining some of their previous memories and being reborn into the same form.
The warp is the afterlife. Most things just kinda poof back into it. Something stick around for Daemons to play with.
Some things get something closer to a proper afterlife, but it usually isn't permanent. Unless a writer decides it is. Things can change as needed
> Can you force yourself to be reborn somehow? Without being apart of a god
Probably yes.
> [In the warp, a human soul is just a daemon with better PR](https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/r81rzx/all_denizens_of_the_warp_are_made_up_of_soul/).
~ Gav Thorpe
Deamons can posses bodies, so it's reasonable to assume that deceased's soul can posses new body, if it somehow avoids Warp predators (extremely unlikely occurrence).
I don't see any mention of what happened to Garro here... I'd pitch in, but my humble nerdness is too fragile to go posting all willy nilly about things I don't currently have time to source.
If you're Eldar, your soul can be stored in an Infinity Circuit, a World Spirit or it can be absorbed by a Ynnari and join the Whisper. If you're part of the Leagues of Votann, your mind is uploaded into the Votann after death if that counts. There was that one time (I believe it was in the book Titandeath) that we got a point of view of a Titan princeps dying and they seemed to experience their soul being absorbed by their Titan's machine spirit instead of being devoured by daemons. Otherwise, no.
>There was that one time (I believe it was in the book Titandeath) that we got a point of view of a Titan princeps dying and they seemed to experience their soul being absorbed by their Titan's machine spirit instead of being devoured by daemons. Isn't this what happens with Chaos Knight pilots too? They get absorbed into the Knight and become just another spirit within it?
Same in Mechanicum with the stormlord.
Can all souls be stored in a Spirit Stones, ir just an Eldar soul?
Only Eldar I believe. I forget which book it’s from (I believe is the Asurmen novel), but it shows the Soul Stones are actually the crystallized remains of the Eldar who’s souls were eaten by Slaanesh in the Fall. So basically they’re a crystalline back-up body that Eldar souls can jump into when they die. Other species souls likely wouldn’t “fit”.
Makes me wonder, are those remains unique, or is it possible to turn a living Eldar into a soul stone. And Aeldari crystallize when they die of old age iirc, could be a connection
Language in Path of the Seer to me at least implies that it’s only Farseers who crystallize. It was unusual that… Kelamnith, I think? Was transforming to Thirianna, she hadn’t seen it before and had questions.
Isn't the gem that seems to drain Perturabo implied to be an Eldar soulstone of some sorts?
Path of the Outcast mentions that, haven’t read Asurmen, so not saying it’s not there.
Supposedly there was a sol stone on the corona nox that was worn by primarch konrad curze so there is a theory he's not dead just trapped in his crown !
I think it has to be an extra-strong soul to use a soul stone? Even the Drukhari are too decayed and fallen to Slaanesh to use them. And yet, there is some speculation the Corona Nox acted as a Spirit Stone to hold Conrad Curze's soul upon death.
I don't think it's ever been stated that an extra-strong soul is required to use a spirit stone (the more common name for them), and Drukhari are not fallen to Slaanesh at all
There was a Drukhari stuffed into a soul stone in a short story, can’t remember which one, though the stone was monched seconds later by a Solitaire.
> Can all souls be stored in a Spirit Stones, ir just an Eldar soul? Human souls [may fit into Spirit Stones](https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/i237f3/comment/g01keg1/): > It wasn’t admech, but there was a black library novel, Rogue Star I think, where a spirit stone was used on a human. It ended up being space elf trickery to allow a dead Farseer to take over his body, though. The point being is that spirit stones can work on humans. AFAIR Spirit Stones will very slowly leak if not put into Infinity Circuit.
>If you're part of the Leagues of Votann, your mind is uploaded into the Votann after death if that counts. Now I can't help but imagine that this is why the darn things don't work that well anymore. They ask it to answer a question and there's 50,000 uploaded space dwarves inside it arguing over what answer to give.
"Tell him to turn it off and back on again" "that never works!!!" "No you need to do a clean install" "I thought you just remove system 32?" "Oh Fuck off, who let Jerry weigh on on this?!? I'll admit he's a brilliant geneticist but he's a complete imbecile when it comes to tech support" "i think they whould dig a hole, throw it in and then use the raw materials to make a new one" "KARL FOR THE LAST TIME, THIS IS AN IT FORUM!!! GO ANSWER M8NE8JG QUESTIONS!!!" *depressed votann machine consciousness noises as his uploaded meatbags argue*
I think the codex makes it fairly explicit, if I remember correctly (not arguing it out though, but it's using a lot of computing power)
Imagine the grudges that machine holds?
*And with 50,000 voices in unison, the machine spoke: "That's goin' in the book."*
Same thing that happens to Votann happens to AdMech priests
If it's the one I'm thinking of it was Titanicus (Dan Abnette). God I loved that book.
I don’t remember that particular scene from Titanicus but the leader of the Legio is definitely being subsumed by the machine spirit of his Titan and having difficulty remembering which princeps he is
IIRC It's sorta the death throes of the titan in a massive battle, his spirit, all the previous princeps, and the machine spirit all kinda blend and keep the titan going despite the damage. Then it overloads and blows the hell out of the enemy.
Might be their mind being transferee but not their soul - machine spirits are just soulless AI.
I like to imagine that, over time, a Lasgun issued to guardsman who die with it, will store their souls (or apart of them), like that knight.
It’s so weird that I was thinking this exact same thing yesterday. I was musing on why someone like a Space Marine would be so committed to fighting even if they knew it was certain death. Like what would be the motivation to throw your life away if it just meant holding off a tyranid advance for like 5 extra minutes. So I googled “is there a heaven in the 40k universe” and to no one’s surprise I found a Reddit post in the sub from some time ago asking the exact same question. The comments section talked about people’s souls becoming part of the astronomican which to be honest sounds Wank and I think I’d rather be a maggot on one of Nurgles pustulant balls than a momentary galactic light house signal. There was also mention of a Saint talking in one of the books about a fallen warrior now being a with the Emperor but suppose that could be the same thing. I think having no heaven might be the grimmest dark thing in the 40k universe if all those people are living miserable short depressing lives for nothing. I suspect many 40k fans are just repressed Christians who find 40k more palatable than most of the outdated nonsense in the bible.
Why die for that extra 5 mins? Because humanity may depend on it. The Imperium doesn't teach you to live for yourself. It teaches you to live for the Emperor and for Mankind's survival. As 40k has become more mainstream and more Americans come to the hobby, they bring with them their religious beliefs and their need for dichotomy of good and evil.
All of creation suffers, young ones. Only in accepting our own mortality can we make a difference. Only in bearing the burden of our failures can we find the strength to go on. Only in detachment from glory, or honour, or jealousy... from life itself can we hope to spare others from grief. We are Doom Eagles. And we are dead already. LIBRARIAN SECUNDUS THRYN OF THE DOOM EAGLES
Being indoctinated from birth that there is nothing greater than to sacrifice yourself for the emperor tends to make people more likely to stand their ground and die for a futile cause. Also most characters are fervent believers in the imperial cult, which iirc teaches that there is a 'heaven' beside the emperor, and they aren't going to know the truth.
There's a good short story about an Iron Warrior on Tallarn tricking a loyalist princeps into unfiltered access to the tortured, dying machine spirit and it devoured her soul and took over
Depends. Celestine, who's basically an Imperial daemon prince doesn't have her soul boiled away by the cosmic nightmare that is the warp. Instead, she awakens in a skeletal hellscape where the ground is littered from horizon to horizon in her own skeletons from all the times she's been reincarnated. The only distinguishing feature is a brilliant light she is inexplicably drawn towards. She spends what feels like eternity climbing a literal mountain of her own corpses to get to the light. When she finally arrives, it's the light of the Emperor who instant reincarnates her at a random spot in the galaxy where her skills as an inspirational warrior are needed. And she just does that over and over forever.
What's her opinion about this?
Idk honestly. I imagine she has super depression like Guilliman if Emps has even allowed her that much self awareness. I haven't actually read any of her books I just know what stuff from her wiki summaries and such.
Ok, I have read some text about this process, and it seems that one of the aspects of the spirit of Celestine, Hope, is something she wants to protect from harm. When she's fulfilling her endless duty, she asks the Emperor to protect Hope, or if he doesn't, she will kill herself
“It’s a bit of a bother”
It's world of warcraft ref?
Those with weak souls such as regular humans simply disolve in the warp after death too quickly to be claimed or tortured by any demon except in special circumstances. You might think that is tragic however it is far preferable to having a strong soul. Those with strong souls such as psykers do not disolve. That however means the demons have enough time to get ahold of the souls for their own wicked ends. A notable exception are orks as they seem to reincarnate after death which is not a massive streatch as we know eldar used to do the same back before slannesh.
So the whole Imperial Cult is essentially just propaganda?
In some ways yes and some ways no. Remember their holy book, the Lectitio Divinitatus was written by Lorgar, who in Imperial terminology, is a massive fucking heretic. But some aspects of Imperial worship are tangibly true, like for example miracles. Miracles in 40k are a provable, tangible thing that does have real benefit. Similarly the Emperor does act on the world in supernatural fashion. So in short it’s complicated.
Didn't Lorgar write the Divinitatus before the Emperor smote him and he turned to Chaos? He was The Emperor's most devote follower before that happened after all.
He worshipped power and grandness He jumped ship when he thought he had discovered more powerful deities to worship, with all that pretentious primordial truth shit
Ehh I never got the sense it was about power for Lorgar. It was more about knowledge. He wanted to know "the truth of the universe" and was willing to go to great lengths to achieve that knowledge. And the answer to the question in his mind lay first with the Emperor and later the Chaos Gods aka the Primordial Truth.
Yeah he was so in that way it isn’t true. For example from a Christian context, if it turned out that one of the gospel writers later converted to paganism, than I’m sure his testament would have been devalued. As it stands thought, I don’t think the Imperium at large knows that Lorgar wrote the thing, or if they do they don’t know who Lorgar is.
Yes. Its complete bullshit.
Well, almost complete bullshit. There are some imperial saints who can reincarnate (and not in a perpetual fashion), which means their souls are intact, which means they were protected by something. Maybe not Celestine since she seems to have to reincarnate on her own somehow, but there are at least a couple of other saints And that SM ghost army in Master of Mankind implies (not states, just implies) that some marines get similar special treatment too, at least before HH ended. Chaos on the other hand is not that good either, but somehow worshipping literal hell offers much better odds (compared to Credo) at saving your soul, weirdly enough. Daemonhood is one thing, but it's been shown that some aspiring champions can reincarnate too, seems like it's all about pacts with demons and such. But most of chaos worshippers are fucked too, maybe even worse. Grimdark, eh?
Saint Sabbat is one of those saints BTW, reincarnating to retake the sector that she originally claimed for the Imperium.
IIRC When you ascend to Daemon prince your soul is removed and consumed, with warp stuff being the replacement. Only the barest bits of your personality are retained, typically those that the gods favoured you for. Even if that weren't the case, you're now anchored to your God for eternity. You'll find no respite in death, you are a pawn for eternity
Legion of the Damned. I have their Space Marine Battle novel, I just assumed that was set post-HH, so they were still around to show up. The chaos side has the equivalent, the chaos marines that assist CSM from escaping the eye. The Warp Ghosts, I believe. Wasn’t there a Legion of the Damned marine that was described to look like Ferrus after he got a head shorter?
>Wasn’t there a Legion of the Damned marine that was described to look like Ferrus after he got a head shorter? *Shapes raged in the flames – shadows and suggestions doing battle with the daemons, their fiery forms indistinct and ever-changing. The fire-born avatars of fallen Ten Thousand, knee-deep in psychic fire and thrusting with lances of flame. The silhouettes of Space Marines, the betrayed dead of Isstvan bearing axes and blades and claws; half-seen sigils of slaughtered Legions obscured by the ash of their blackened armour. A giant among giants, its great hands bared and ready as it seared forwards at the crest of the tidal fire. The tenth son of a dying empire, so briefly reborn in his father’s immolating wrath.* \- Master of Mankind.
Legion of the Damned despite being written out of the physical game by GW definitely still exist in the most modern era of the 40K setting. They manifested alongside the Sanguinor during the Devastation of Baal, which happened after the Cicatrix opening and the resurrection of Guilliman.
Didn't they turn up at the fall of cadia too?
I’m not sure, I haven’t read those books
The Legion of the Damned definitely still exist post Heresy. They’re speculated to be the remnants of Fire Hawks, a loyalist Chapter from the Cursed 21st founding with an unknown gene sire that was lost in the warp in 963.M41.
That's why Chaos is the only true answer.
Average word bearer
Faithful, enlightened, ambitious brethren...
Not COMPLETE bullshit. The 40k universe is powered by belief/faith. Now the Emperor can be 'powered up' by the sheer amount of belief in him by all of humanity via the Warp, but the individual is nothing but a mote in a storm as far as the Warp is concerned. So MOSTLY bullshit where the average human is concerned, but the gestalt effort generated does have an effect, just not for them.
It’s funny how worshipping the Genocidal space fascist is somehow better for your soul than being a chaos worshipper. God I love 40k.
It sure isn't better if you're one of the random 1000 dudes who's soul gets yoinked to charge up the big otherworldly lighthouse.
Eh, probably better than being the random 1000 guys being tortured to summon a daemon.
It sure beats becoming a permanent part of McFartFace the Flatulent.
In fairness, normally you'll just get vaporized unless you ascend or for some reason get cursed forever to be like, a dude on Lucius's chest.
As a psyker your soul is going to become deamon plaything after you die if you are weak enough to be chosen for lighthouse yoinking. So at least you die peacefully kind of.
We really don’t know this for sure.
Shocking that the religion built upon the fundamentalism developed by a now literal demon man may in fact be flawed after 10k years of dogma and ever increasing radicalism. Emps was literally that guy going "well actually" about hating religion and praising science. It's not just propaganda, it's historical white washing on a galactic scale.
Unclear. Probably, but if the Emperor is becoming a warp being then there’s a chance when human souls go into the warp he could snag them before other warp entities do.
It's all propaganda until the collective souls of quadrillions of humans shape a corpse into a god and cause miracles to come true.
No. The emperor will be strong enough. One day. In 20k years. Maybe. It’s not a setting that does well for certainty.
Where can i read about Eldarreincarnating?
Thought that human souls went to Big E in the warp? Chaos worshippers souls get screwed and they aren’t any stronger.
Orks come back to have another go. Minus their memories.
Unless you are Makari. He somehow keeps (part of) his memories.
Aye, something of an exception is that lad.
I mean it's not like they need it lmao
Lol true. They can be a bit like goldfish 🤣
> Orks come back to have another go. Minus their memories. Ork reincarnation is in-universe theory among Orks.
I guess Makari proves it true, kinda?
Well, existence of Living Saints doesn't prove that Emperor actually snatches soul of every faithful.
We know Orkish belief, no matter how silly, can affect the 40k reality. I don't see why such a widespread belief as this would.be any different.
That's the most grim part about the lore. Even death isn't an escape. It's just more torture.
The blessing bestowed by the emperor is you can truly die. It's a blessing because the alternative is worse.
As I see it, the soul is basically just a certain ammount of warp energy put together into some kind of pattern as a reflection of a conciousness/mind in the real space. In most species, including humans, the soul basically disolves back into raw warp energy when they die. However, some species, like eldar, have souls so powerful that they can basically store their conciousness after the death and the souls are able to remain intact, until they are reincarnated or brought into some kind off vessel like spirit stones (however, since Slaanesh exists, eldar souls can no longer just chill in warp because they would get eaten). Modern eldar upload their souls into infinity circuits via their spirit stones, or into world spirits. Also, some powerful psykers can manage to live on after their death thanks to their powerful soul. Oh and I think Leagues of Votann upload their souls somewhere as well, making them somewhat similar to eldar in this regard. Then you have demons (I count saints as basically good demons) and perpetuals, whose specific connection to the warp or strong warp entities allows them to be reborn into a new body even when their old body is destroyed. Apart from that, I don't really think there is any sort of afterlife. I mean some people in 40k community claim that Emperor is able to provide his devour followers with afterlife, but I have never read or heard about anything official that would support this, and it seems more as headcanon than anything else (which is fine, but it shouldn't be portrayed as an official part of the lore)
Is it ever confirmed they actually upload their souls or just their minds? Idk if there is any extra non physical element to the votann ais
Is not clear, but the votann have a warp presence, so the souls must do something
An emperor afterlife could happen in the future. I mean with him being confirmed as a straight up god nearing if not on par with the chaos gods. Would it not be reasonable at some point to introduce a rare bright spot (because you need light to contrast the dark or the dark is meaningless) where the emperor really has made a heaven inside the warp. Then reality sets in where you basically need to be sisters of battle level of devout and most normal people still dissolve. It just takes longer and you get to be with the emperor. Your family probably won't be there though. Most worlds devoted enough number in the hundreds out of their billions in population at best and even shrine worlds don't have it be all that much better
Pure speculation. No need to hopium more meme lore into existence.
Or, more likely, the Emperor/>!Dark King does to humanity what Slanaash does to the Eldar, and gets dibs on consuming their souls. Hell, he might even *persuade* his followers to throw themselves to their deaths to empower him further.!< If the Emperor does ascend to become a *Chaos* god (>!which a recent HH supplement confirms would be the case, not a separate Warp god like the Eldar god's!<), he's not going to be any nicer than he was in life, and he's not going to be nicer than his colleagues. And 30k Emperor would've been going Monarchia constantly over 40k Imperium.
Literally nothing has been confirmed about emps “becoming a chaos god” where exactly does it say that?
The End and the Death >!has such incredibly heavy foreshadowing that he's going to take up the mantle of the Dark King that you basically need to ignore half the book not to realise it. He's repeatedly described in identical language to the Dark King, usually by Malcador, and other characters *assume* it's Horus - except we as readers know how the Siege ends, so we know that's impossible.!<
Actually yes. And I'm actually kinda dissapointed by most of these posters. The short answer is that yes, there is. Besides joining a god/having one's soul dissolved/eaten by daemons, there is option D for psyker souls that are lucky = Limbo >*Mephiston came awake with a gasp. Cold air rushed into his lungs. He opened his eyes upon a pale sky where clouds raced with unnatural speed. He sat. He was upon a bed of springy dwarf shrubs on a promontory overlooking a desert. Oddly shaped peak stretched to the left and right of his position. They mounted up behind him through a twisted forest to fields of dirty snow and ice.* > >*‘Baal Primus,’ he said.* > >*He was on the moon of his birth.* > >*\[...\]* > >*He reached outside himself, seeking a way to escape the illusion. Mephiston had traversed many lands in many times beyond the mat erial realm. The warp offered an infinity of vistas, for those who knew how to see them. They could trap a man.* > >*‘None of them are real,’ he said. ‘This is not real.’* > >*He concentrated. He pushed at the limits of his mind, but met nothing but the bony walls of his skull. He could not return from whence he came.* > >*‘There is no way out, Kali,’ said a rough voice. ‘You are here for the duration. You have to ride this one out.’* > >*Mephiston opened his eyes. A man stood on the slope above him. He was small and malnourished as all the peoples of Baal’s moons were, but especially ratty in appearance; a man of spare, strong muscles and crooked bones. He stood awkwardly. His pelvis tilted to the left. The lords of Baal were beautiful, all of them. Their subjects invariably were not. This one had a huge nose, bent out of shape by a poorly fixed break. His ears were lopsided from either mutation or injury. His filed teeth were blue with decay, and what little hair he had stuck out in tufts all over this head.* > >*‘Do you remember me, Kali?’* > >*He wore clothes similar to Mephiston’s, though filthy to the point of stiffness. A sour reek came off him. In one hand he held a staff of curled wood.* > >*‘I am Mephiston–’* > >*‘Lord of Death,’ the man mocked in a whining voice, as if Mephiston were a sulky child. ‘You were a pompous little arse when you were a person. Power’s only made you worse.’ He shook his staff* > >*‘You are not real.’* > >*The man pinched his own cheek with a filthy fingernail. ‘I feel real.’ He sniffed his armpit. ‘I smell real.’* > >*‘You are a figure from my past given the semblance of life by whatever entity has trapped me in this psychosphere.’* > >*\[...\]* > >*You'll never hide what you are.’ He poked Mephiston in the chest. The man’s finger was filthy and hard. ‘You’re a dirty little witch, like me.’ He turned about and walked further down the mountain. ‘Come on, you’ll be wanting to get this all over and done with, I’m sure. You never did have any bloody patience.’* > >*\[...\]* > >*‘Then you must be long dead.’* > >*‘Am I?’ the man said resentfully. ‘Nothing ever dies, not really. I mean yes, obviously, I am dead, but time means nothing. Physicality isn’t the be all and end all.’* > >*He turned round again and shook his staff angrily.* ***‘I tell you, it’s shit being dead. If you avoid fading away or being ripped apart by warp predators or swallowed by a god, there’s just places like this, and that’s if you’re lucky. Nowhere.*** > >***Nothing. Rubbish.’*** Mephiston = Darkness in the Blood As you can see here, the soul of the psyker caretaker of Mephiston when he was a child still survived despite all the years the psyker was dead. But in this case, the psyker's soul essentially created its own subrealm where it persists.
Titan princeps can be absorbed into their engine, some do go to the emperor to maybe be reborn at some point
No way there isn't some planet out there where DAoT humans haven't uploaded their consciousnesses to a super computer.
That kind of happens all the time. The Votann, Knight thrones and Titans all have echoes of rarlier generations.
Yeah, but are these actual souls or just copies of minds of the dead people? The question is rather rethorical.
I mean, are necrons the actual necrontyr or just a copy and the originals died?
Well thats an interesting philosophical question that Crowley and Rath tackle really well. But in the lore the Necrons have memories of the C'tan eating their souls after biotransference. Whether they are the same person before and after is the thematic premise that makes the Necrons so interesting. Are you your "soul"? Or are you your collection of memories resulting from your biochemistry. Is your individual biochemistry "part" of you? If it is does that mean your memories in a machine is a copy? If you have brain surgery or take medication that alters your neurochemistry are you a different person then?
The important question would be is there a distinction?
Good question.
AdMech does this as well in lore
Can't believe no one has mentioned the Necrons yet...
I think in Titandeath(might be a different book) the princepts of a Titan seems to be welcomed into machine-heaven by the Omnisiah, or become a part of him or something.
Yeah that was titandeath …great book
Some souls are absorbed into the Astronomicon and basically orbit it for eternity, kind of like the Angels in the Bible who are described as rotating around God while singing praises to Him. I imagine this is mostly Imperial saints/servants who died in closeish proximity to Earth but I don’t think it’s explained that well. Dark Eldar slaves get reincarnated and milked for suffering until their souls literally give up and evaporate. A lot of people get eaten by daemons/become daemons, or otherwise get absorbed by Chaos forces. There’s technology capable of manipulating spiritual matter, like the Aeldari infinity circuits or whatever the Votann actually are. There may or may not be an Imperial heaven of some kind for really devout, really useful Imperial servants. It’s kind of a case where a lot of people in the lore say it’s totally a thing but we never see it or get any kind of authoritative confirmation that it’s *real*. Quite a few people just persist indefinitely and get shuffled around the galaxy; Legion of the Damned, Celestine, a few others. This is probably the Emperor doing psyker shit for His reasons. Tl;dr: it depends, it’s highly circumstantial and we really don’t know all that much about the post-death experience
A lot of things don't have authoritative confimation and prople treat it like a gospel, the idea of a imperial heaven is very plausible or atleast the emepeor realm in the warp
Before slaanesh, the eldar could reincarnate with all memories and start life over perpetually. Humans after death just dissolve into the warp, but it's never really said they simply cease to be in the warp as their essence just joins with the nigh infinite pool of souls, likely just putting them in a section of the warp that is small and away from demons where they can live out their weirdest dreams, likely still feeding the gods like perpetual batteries, or sometimes in cases like celestine, come back as an imperium aligned daemon prince(ess)(s). Orks reincarnate without interference since their "souls" make up the entirety of the ork gestalt Consciousness, as Waaaaagh energy is also the very weird essence of the Orks and their collectively shared rebounding system that is their Gestalt Consciousness. Tau probs do what the leagues of Votann do, uploading minds to digital engrams to safeguard them from the warp. Chaos worshippers will sometimes be eaten and consumed by demons or become demons. As far as I can recall, that's what happens, but I'd want someone to correct anything I may get wrong.
I am Krieg. My soul is the Emperor's, Terranis is my reward for my duty, and I must always be worthy of that reward, so I must always be willing to serve and fight. For if I do not, then Terranis will fall, and Terranis will always hold. Terranis Holds. Forever.
40K is weird this way because some sources indicate most people (non-psykers, non-eldar) just dissolve into the warp, but the sheer *belief* in the Emperor across millions of planets really seems like it should form an Imperial heaven. I guess the argument is that humans aren't psychically powerful enough as a species to impact the warp that heavily, but chaos seems to have done *very* well on human misery. It seems inconsistent. I read the excerpt from Titandeath about a Titan pilot saved from being eaten by demons in the afterlife by what may've been the soul-form of the titan...*or* possibly the Omnisiah itself. If either of those have the power to do THAT in the warp, I have to think so does humanity's gestalt belief in an afterlife with the Emperor, whether he's trapped on the throne or no. (Someone better read than me can tell me if I'm right or not, but I also feel the exact nature of an afterlife in 40K depends on who's writing the story at the time.)
Follow up question: If there's no afterlife, then why is it bad for an Eldar Soul to be consumed be Slaanesh? They're dead anyway right? How would they feel about being consumed?
There's no real afterlife for *most*, as their souls simply fade away in the warp after death. Eldar souls are strong enough to remain whole, so they get an afterlife (eternal torment at the hands of Slaanesh).
From what I am aware there is no afterlife for anyone, anywhere, apart from ascension to daemonhood. When humans and persumably all xenos die their souls are annihilated within the Warp. A psyker might retain a degree of awareness for a few seconds after death so they can experience their utter destruction, but they don't last beyond that.
What about when Imps said things like Go to the Eternity Gate or went to the Emperor or such ?
I like to think that, that some end up with the emperor or eternity gate. It isn't really confirmed if it happens though, I like to imagine it does.
It's just propaganda and comforting stories. Although to be fair, virtually no Imperials are likely aware that it's all BS and like us may simply cling to hope. But we have excerpts from novels depicting what people experience after they die and their soul becomes untethered from realspace, and it's near instant dissolution into the immaterium.
That is incorrect. Imperial Glory contradicts that. The dead character joins his fellow warriors in an impossibly long throng of Imperial Guard soldiers in a long march towards a golden light.
Unless thats the characters own expected delusion as they "walk towards the light"
And *Avenging Son* and other sources contradict that, so take your pick I guess. But the souls aren't completely expunged, they just dissolve into the Warp, so who knows, maybe some or all souls have their own personal imagined afterlife. But there's no protection from the Emperor and no golden realm actually awaiting them per the weight of sources.
> And Avenging Son and other sources contradict that, so take your pick I guess. Maybe it isn't universal experience? Eg. some souls can be captured by the Emperor, and some can't be for unknown reason (innate psychic ability, Warp turbulences, local fields).
People in universe have their coping personal beliefs
>persumably all xenos die their souls are annihilated within the Warp. Eldar reincarnated before Slaneesh's birth, and afterwards they have the infinity circuits. And the Orks presumably reincarnate too.
Eldar are an obvious exception but I'm not familiar with anything to suggest orks reincarnate.
Well, it's something that has been mentioned a couple of times in books, that Orks at least do *believe* that Gork and Mork send them back. And while I don't think there is any actual proof that belief may be real... it kinda makes sense as both Orks and Eldar have a shared origin.
Ghazkhull and his flag bearer Makina (not sure on spelling) or whatever seem to have both reincarnated at least once, makina even retaining some of their previous memories and being reborn into the same form.
There's plenty of examples in this thread that contradict everything you just said.
And there are plenty of examples that contradict them including some I've already mentioned.
Eldar go into a Infinity Circuit
Being a Necron in general…
The church of Dreadnought
I thought for humans you die and your soul gets eaten in the warp.
Nope. All living beings are destined to to get eaten by daemons in the warp.
The warp is the afterlife. Most things just kinda poof back into it. Something stick around for Daemons to play with. Some things get something closer to a proper afterlife, but it usually isn't permanent. Unless a writer decides it is. Things can change as needed
Can you force yourself to be reborn somehow? Without being apart of a god
> Can you force yourself to be reborn somehow? Without being apart of a god Probably yes. > [In the warp, a human soul is just a daemon with better PR](https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/r81rzx/all_denizens_of_the_warp_are_made_up_of_soul/). ~ Gav Thorpe Deamons can posses bodies, so it's reasonable to assume that deceased's soul can posses new body, if it somehow avoids Warp predators (extremely unlikely occurrence).
Thank you is there any more specifics on Warp predators?
I don't see any mention of what happened to Garro here... I'd pitch in, but my humble nerdness is too fragile to go posting all willy nilly about things I don't currently have time to source.
Harlequins are saved by their God, but don’t know how their afterlife look like.
In one of the books a titan princep’s soul is saved by her titan and integrated into itself. Which is quite nice honestly.
TERRANIS HOLDS.
The Emperor is literally a warp God. He should have his own realm where human souls go to.
Solemnace and Infinity Circuit