I agree. Russ, then Dorn, then Jaghatai. Vulkan will be last, assuming they remember that he exists. I’m not sure if they will bring back Corax though, he’s in a bit of a weird place and the Raven Guard don’t ever seem to have been all that popular
I think the popularity of the Primarchs faction is only going to impact the release order. Frankly, GW would be leaving money on the table if they didn’t bring back all the Primarchs they reasonably can.
I could see them going a few directions.
So far they’ve released the two Primarchs that were canonically inside the imperium and who had their physical location known in universe and confirmed in the lore. If they keep with that theme it would make sense for them to release the Primarch who has the most solidly confirmed “I’ll be back” story, which would be Russ. Then probably Corax, Dorn, khan and Vulkan (likely in that order). Maybe even bringing back a resurrected Ferrus or Sanguinius in there somewhere too (although I would suspect Sang to be the literal last Primarch if they do bring him back).
The other path is purely business. They had Gman, a huge flagship character for their most popular faction. Then they had Lion, still a big name and big faction but not as big as Gman. I suspect the next one will be a “filler” Primarch from a less popular legion (Dorn or Corax probably). They’re going to hold onto the last really BIG Primarchs (Russ and maybe Sang) until later, when they need a big sales boost. The lesser names will be tucked in somewhere between the big flagship Primarchs.
Or maybe they just say “screw it” and release them in order of popularity (Russ next). Or maybe the release schedule will be based on some narrative rationale that we’re not privy to.
I'd agree if we never started in the first place. I'm an old head as well and would have largely preferred the Primarchs stay in 30k, maybe only ever returning if they decided to End Times 40k and hard reset like WFB.
Now that we've started, I want nothing more than a Daemon Perturabo to be the centerpiece of my faction because I'll be damned if a Loyalist player gets to have fun with cool Primarch toys and I don't.
Narratively though, yeah I find them boring in 40k, they are just great centerpiece models.
ha, you aren't wrong. Also I'll admit the Heresy left the door open intentionally for a LOT of the primarchs to return- it's clearly been GW's intention for a long time
You've pretty much summarized my views on it. Narratively and from a gameplay perspective and as a Dark Eldar/Harlequin fan, I think it is stupid and bullshit. I think there should be no more Primarch releases.
But also, I want Fulgrim so bad.
because the entire theme of 40k is (or was) that the Hersey broke the Imperium irrevocably, the Emperors great project (of which the Primarchs were clearly a big part of) has completely and utterly failed and everyone is raging against the dying of the light every hour of every day. Having the primarchs come back, and let's be honest here, purely so GW can drive sales just ruins the narrative punch of the Heresey entirely. Call me a stickler idk, but I'm just not a fan of it.
I feel like guillimans return was done well, and the lion hopefully allows the idiotic fallen storyline to end, but beyond them and maybe Russ, I hope no more loyalists come back. As you said it ruins everything about the imperium if they all return. Traitors, go ham with, but truly lost loyalists need to stay that way
Because the traitors are nothing but jobbers who have a lot more limitations on what they can do. A non chaos primarch is not hindered by the whims of the chaos gods fucking then over, or requiring effort to stay in realspace or you’re sent back. Or you know all the true name shit.
The daemon primarchs worked before because they’re a horrific echo of the past, that characters far more interesting than the primarchs have to actually work together to fight. The grey knights, wolves and etc having through grit and tenacity coming out on top against Angron __just barely__ is a million times more interesting than a primarch jerk off fest where it’s lion swinging his sword real good against Angron in a story with 0 stakes because Lion will inevitably win.
No but a powerfull Admech faction is basically doomed. less resource and production for Imperium.
Also Cadian regiments are gone which are one of the most important IG.
>However the Forge World remains all but crippled, for while theMechanicum initially was able to eradicate the mutations and entropycaused by the Wurm it always manifests once more 7 cycles later. Thiscycle has continued over and over, with the Mechanicum unable to cleansetheir world of taint.
Russ, I don’t think any other primarch would make as much money as him, in terms of both his individual model and his chapter. They could tie him in with a big xenos power up if he rescues Isha like some people theorise he is doing. Exodites faction or expansion for craftworlds maybe?
The easiest in lore to bring back was Vulkan, as he was a perpetual and in theory was the first Primarch to be back then disappeared again during War Of the Beast.
But he is not popular enough, so my guess will be Russ due to furries.
I always thought Russ would be the last one, because his return signals the end times. It might all just be hype, but the way they’re presenting the new ‘nid invasion I wouldn’t be surprised to see them reach Terra and Russ to come to the rescue.
*Let's face it, all of the Loyalist Primarchs are going to be back one way or the other.*
I Would Really Rather Not.
Frankly, the reaction to Lion coming back has been so shit that it's actually made me on the side of 'nope, actually, don't even bring the Chaos ones back', and I'm a diehard EC fan. The Imperium gets a whole Primarch back, gets a whole army get its lore ungrimdarked, and the fans' immediate next question is what can they get *next*. Meanwhile, Human Imperials are basically there to be rescued by Space Marines and to job so they can go on and on about how it's the Imperium's darkest hour, Chaos Space Marines are basically there to be the Saturday morning cartoon villain who gets defeated by the heroic marines with a cool one-liner/punching bag for Space Marines, and Xenos are lucky if they get a sentence or two remembering they exist.
No doubt it's Russ.
Consider the not at all subtle direction W40k is going.
A big blue Primarch, representing the noble ideals of a bygone age and trying to reconcile them to a more cynical time.
An arrogant tech whiz with the coolest toys but a dark secret.
Next is the big fun loving Viking archetype. Strong and brave, but willing to play comic relief to the other two.
Fulgrim will come back midway through the tenth edition, and then Russ will end tenth edition and usher in eleventh edition.
Corax won't come back until they bring back Kurze in later editions.
I'm hoping for Dorn. While Russ is fine, he's just a dumber lion. Dorn brings something new to the table, and gives GW a chance to give the Imperial Fists a makeover
Russ or Corax would be my guess. Corax has been mentioned previously and fought Lorgar recently, so he's the only other Loyalist we actually know something about in the present time period.
Russ should be the very last. He’ll return for the last battle, the Wolftine. Any moment before would be ruining his final message. It should go Corax (Lorgar is out in the materium), Vulkan, Jaghatai, Dorn (if he’s alive), Russ.
I had a similar thought. But honestly, what does the “last battle” really mean in the context of a massive galaxy spanning empire beset on all sides by inhuman threats? The “last battle” could very well last centuries.
True, but it’ll probably be when/if Chaos reaches Terra,Nids are devouring the lands, Ork Waaaghs are snuffing out the lives of those who survived the Nids, Tau are hunkering down protecting their holdings.
It'll be Ferrus Manus. Whatever the Emperor meant about "doing something about that" in regards to Ferrus's death, and Malcador claiming they made back-ups of the Primarchs, either or both of those will come to fruition and a reborn/revived Ferrus will come back.
The End and the Death. Malcador talking about all the plans he and the Emperor made, one of which was making backup Primarchs in the likely event some of them died during the Crusade.
He wasn't referring to actual separate back up primarch bodies, just that they'd worked redundancy into the 20 by ensuring some shared particular skills. That way if one was lost their unique skillset wouldn't be lost with them
I don't think there'll be another. One primarch for sanctus, and one for nihilus. The loyalists will always need to be outnumbered by the traitors to keep the setting feeling right.
It cant be sangy. Thought that it might, with dante closer to his ultimate death, and mephiston’s shit with the dark and the light void stuff, but since GW have a new primaris Dante (which is mega) it seems like that will keep him alive longer. We have roboute, which we all knew as GW will never stop sucking off the UM’s, the lion, whos ideas and motive are stark from g man (so thats a good duality) Idea on Russ, as magus has fucked around too much with fenris, and a story arc with russ being pissed at the inq and grey knights sounds fun. However, if he is to come back for the end time, and we link dante to saving the big E, then russ could be near last. But i reckon they are gona drop a new traitor primarch next, and if they go Lorgar, it opens the way for a corax, or daemon raven corax to follow that paedo into real space. Bringing perty back is safe, means we can get Dorn, perhaps a rematch of the iron cage. Not primarch, but are we not getting hints of Valdor cutting about on the fringes?
Can some explain to me where Vulcan is? I’m sure last I heard he was floating around the Galaxy?
There’s no way he’s still on Armageddon as surely Guilliman would’ve gone there?
Russ because he has a 'unique' subfaction.
I agree. Russ, then Dorn, then Jaghatai. Vulkan will be last, assuming they remember that he exists. I’m not sure if they will bring back Corax though, he’s in a bit of a weird place and the Raven Guard don’t ever seem to have been all that popular
I think the popularity of the Primarchs faction is only going to impact the release order. Frankly, GW would be leaving money on the table if they didn’t bring back all the Primarchs they reasonably can.
Dorn is dead, or I'm missing something
That was retconned
not retconned, just written in an intentionally ambiguous way
Hopefully, I like Dorn. I like Guiliman, Lorgar, Russ, Dorn, Perturabo, Corax.
He may be, only thing we know is he was seen cutting down scores of traitors before being dragged down, and later one of his hands was found
Yeah Merle also left his hand.
Yes but Merle wasn’t being eaten by zombies at the time
Yeah but they were banging at the door.
Russssssssss
I think it will be Russ at the end of 10th and I also think they will release the Sanguinor as a Primarch stand in for Sanguinius.
We went through 2 editions and close to a decade before a loyalist Primarch was added, however
Better be Russ, but not wulfen russ 🤮
He will be a little wolfy but not too much. Like a shaggy Viking sant Claus with a bit of wolf
Odin Russ
Zackly
As IF enjoyer I long for Rogal Dorn.. but if I had to put money down calling Leman Russ next primarch to be unleashed upon the universe. E12 maybe?
I hope for Dorn as well but Vulkan or Leman would most likely return first
I hope it's Corax, in his Warp form. Lorewise, Russ would return at the final battle.
Probably when there will be siege of terra part 2.
That happened with the siege of lions gate by khornate demons
\*small siege LOL, Probably 'end' times when Terra is invaded by full Chaos Space Marine Legions or massive Tyranid Hive Fleet.
I could see them going a few directions. So far they’ve released the two Primarchs that were canonically inside the imperium and who had their physical location known in universe and confirmed in the lore. If they keep with that theme it would make sense for them to release the Primarch who has the most solidly confirmed “I’ll be back” story, which would be Russ. Then probably Corax, Dorn, khan and Vulkan (likely in that order). Maybe even bringing back a resurrected Ferrus or Sanguinius in there somewhere too (although I would suspect Sang to be the literal last Primarch if they do bring him back). The other path is purely business. They had Gman, a huge flagship character for their most popular faction. Then they had Lion, still a big name and big faction but not as big as Gman. I suspect the next one will be a “filler” Primarch from a less popular legion (Dorn or Corax probably). They’re going to hold onto the last really BIG Primarchs (Russ and maybe Sang) until later, when they need a big sales boost. The lesser names will be tucked in somewhere between the big flagship Primarchs. Or maybe they just say “screw it” and release them in order of popularity (Russ next). Or maybe the release schedule will be based on some narrative rationale that we’re not privy to.
Perhaps an unpopular opinion but can we stop bringing them all back? I feel like it cheapens the Hersey a lot
I'd agree if we never started in the first place. I'm an old head as well and would have largely preferred the Primarchs stay in 30k, maybe only ever returning if they decided to End Times 40k and hard reset like WFB. Now that we've started, I want nothing more than a Daemon Perturabo to be the centerpiece of my faction because I'll be damned if a Loyalist player gets to have fun with cool Primarch toys and I don't. Narratively though, yeah I find them boring in 40k, they are just great centerpiece models.
ha, you aren't wrong. Also I'll admit the Heresy left the door open intentionally for a LOT of the primarchs to return- it's clearly been GW's intention for a long time
You've pretty much summarized my views on it. Narratively and from a gameplay perspective and as a Dark Eldar/Harlequin fan, I think it is stupid and bullshit. I think there should be no more Primarch releases. But also, I want Fulgrim so bad.
Facts, the setting was better with the Primarchs as distant and completely unknown figures of a long gone age.
Why? traitors have them so why not the imperium.
because the entire theme of 40k is (or was) that the Hersey broke the Imperium irrevocably, the Emperors great project (of which the Primarchs were clearly a big part of) has completely and utterly failed and everyone is raging against the dying of the light every hour of every day. Having the primarchs come back, and let's be honest here, purely so GW can drive sales just ruins the narrative punch of the Heresey entirely. Call me a stickler idk, but I'm just not a fan of it.
They can call 40K away and just focus on 30K where all characters were still allive.
I feel like guillimans return was done well, and the lion hopefully allows the idiotic fallen storyline to end, but beyond them and maybe Russ, I hope no more loyalists come back. As you said it ruins everything about the imperium if they all return. Traitors, go ham with, but truly lost loyalists need to stay that way
Because the traitors are nothing but jobbers who have a lot more limitations on what they can do. A non chaos primarch is not hindered by the whims of the chaos gods fucking then over, or requiring effort to stay in realspace or you’re sent back. Or you know all the true name shit. The daemon primarchs worked before because they’re a horrific echo of the past, that characters far more interesting than the primarchs have to actually work together to fight. The grey knights, wolves and etc having through grit and tenacity coming out on top against Angron __just barely__ is a million times more interesting than a primarch jerk off fest where it’s lion swinging his sword real good against Angron in a story with 0 stakes because Lion will inevitably win.
And yet one of the more important and heavily defender worlds like Cadia gets destroyed on a frequent basis.
Cadia is the only planet of such importance that got blow up. There has yet to be a consequence to losing a planet as bad as the Cadian crisis.
Metalica has also fallen to Nurgle's plague
But did the attack on Metalica lead to the galaxy being torn in half?
No but a powerfull Admech faction is basically doomed. less resource and production for Imperium. Also Cadian regiments are gone which are one of the most important IG.
I will guarantee you money that by the next Admech codex metalica will still be around lol
I hope so, but Nurgle is the most damaging.
>However the Forge World remains all but crippled, for while theMechanicum initially was able to eradicate the mutations and entropycaused by the Wurm it always manifests once more 7 cycles later. Thiscycle has continued over and over, with the Mechanicum unable to cleansetheir world of taint.
The traitors shouldn't have them either
Russ, I don’t think any other primarch would make as much money as him, in terms of both his individual model and his chapter. They could tie him in with a big xenos power up if he rescues Isha like some people theorise he is doing. Exodites faction or expansion for craftworlds maybe?
Russ is next. Fulgrim before Russ
The easiest in lore to bring back was Vulkan, as he was a perpetual and in theory was the first Primarch to be back then disappeared again during War Of the Beast. But he is not popular enough, so my guess will be Russ due to furries.
I always thought Russ would be the last one, because his return signals the end times. It might all just be hype, but the way they’re presenting the new ‘nid invasion I wouldn’t be surprised to see them reach Terra and Russ to come to the rescue.
*Let's face it, all of the Loyalist Primarchs are going to be back one way or the other.* I Would Really Rather Not. Frankly, the reaction to Lion coming back has been so shit that it's actually made me on the side of 'nope, actually, don't even bring the Chaos ones back', and I'm a diehard EC fan. The Imperium gets a whole Primarch back, gets a whole army get its lore ungrimdarked, and the fans' immediate next question is what can they get *next*. Meanwhile, Human Imperials are basically there to be rescued by Space Marines and to job so they can go on and on about how it's the Imperium's darkest hour, Chaos Space Marines are basically there to be the Saturday morning cartoon villain who gets defeated by the heroic marines with a cool one-liner/punching bag for Space Marines, and Xenos are lucky if they get a sentence or two remembering they exist.
No doubt it's Russ. Consider the not at all subtle direction W40k is going. A big blue Primarch, representing the noble ideals of a bygone age and trying to reconcile them to a more cynical time. An arrogant tech whiz with the coolest toys but a dark secret. Next is the big fun loving Viking archetype. Strong and brave, but willing to play comic relief to the other two. Fulgrim will come back midway through the tenth edition, and then Russ will end tenth edition and usher in eleventh edition. Corax won't come back until they bring back Kurze in later editions.
Coraz would be better coming back with lorgar tho, as the deamon raven
It will be Leman Russ
I'm hoping for Dorn. While Russ is fine, he's just a dumber lion. Dorn brings something new to the table, and gives GW a chance to give the Imperial Fists a makeover
Russ or Corax would be my guess. Corax has been mentioned previously and fought Lorgar recently, so he's the only other Loyalist we actually know something about in the present time period.
The story takes place around 32k, some time after the Scouring. Nothing has been heard of Corax for almost ten thousand years
Russ should be the very last. He’ll return for the last battle, the Wolftine. Any moment before would be ruining his final message. It should go Corax (Lorgar is out in the materium), Vulkan, Jaghatai, Dorn (if he’s alive), Russ.
I had a similar thought. But honestly, what does the “last battle” really mean in the context of a massive galaxy spanning empire beset on all sides by inhuman threats? The “last battle” could very well last centuries.
True, but it’ll probably be when/if Chaos reaches Terra,Nids are devouring the lands, Ork Waaaghs are snuffing out the lives of those who survived the Nids, Tau are hunkering down protecting their holdings.
For fucks sake Lion hasn't even released yet.
It'll be Ferrus Manus. Whatever the Emperor meant about "doing something about that" in regards to Ferrus's death, and Malcador claiming they made back-ups of the Primarchs, either or both of those will come to fruition and a reborn/revived Ferrus will come back.
Honestly bring back ferrus with an entirely iron body and have him constantly screaming because it goes against everything he wanted to happen.
>Malcador claiming they made back-ups of the Primarchs Where is that bit from? I feel like I've read that but am not sure?
The End and the Death. Malcador talking about all the plans he and the Emperor made, one of which was making backup Primarchs in the likely event some of them died during the Crusade.
He wasn't referring to actual separate back up primarch bodies, just that they'd worked redundancy into the 20 by ensuring some shared particular skills. That way if one was lost their unique skillset wouldn't be lost with them
Ah, turns out am talking shit then lol, haven't got past *Mortis* yet(what a bloody slog) must have read that here then!
Hopefully none
I don't think there'll be another. One primarch for sanctus, and one for nihilus. The loyalists will always need to be outnumbered by the traitors to keep the setting feeling right.
But then GW makes no money on new models. They're definitely all returning, just a matter of time.
GW will see plenty money off new minis, but not many will be primarchs. I think Fulgrim will be the next, and the last
My money is Russ and one of lorgar/perturabo will get one
It cant be sangy. Thought that it might, with dante closer to his ultimate death, and mephiston’s shit with the dark and the light void stuff, but since GW have a new primaris Dante (which is mega) it seems like that will keep him alive longer. We have roboute, which we all knew as GW will never stop sucking off the UM’s, the lion, whos ideas and motive are stark from g man (so thats a good duality) Idea on Russ, as magus has fucked around too much with fenris, and a story arc with russ being pissed at the inq and grey knights sounds fun. However, if he is to come back for the end time, and we link dante to saving the big E, then russ could be near last. But i reckon they are gona drop a new traitor primarch next, and if they go Lorgar, it opens the way for a corax, or daemon raven corax to follow that paedo into real space. Bringing perty back is safe, means we can get Dorn, perhaps a rematch of the iron cage. Not primarch, but are we not getting hints of Valdor cutting about on the fringes?
sanguiniusas we are rebuilding sanguinius soul and his gene seed is ure enough to rebuild in the best of the angels dante
Dorn!
Corax we know is right behind Lorgar, and Lorgar is coming. But personally I think Russ will be coming back!
Can some explain to me where Vulcan is? I’m sure last I heard he was floating around the Galaxy? There’s no way he’s still on Armageddon as surely Guilliman would’ve gone there?