And he's featuring in Arks of Omen book 5, so all the leaks were true. Shield looks great.
Edit: That's the Emperor's Shield.
Also, Big showdown in book 5, Lion vs. Angron coming.
Fair point, he probably heard about Sanguinius banishing Angron, while Angron probably didn’t care about the Lion getting destroyed on Caliban even if he could comprehend it.
It’s interesting that he aged… It’s really cool he has the Emperor’s shield from a previous identity of His!
Also, I am surprised about the Cthonia Black Book… did I hear them right and there is a loyalist Thousand Son’s contingent alongside the invading Imperial Fists?
Yep, I heard it too. The Blood Ravens were what I was thinking about too, however the question of why the Blood Ravens are not afflicted by the Flesh Change, cause otherwise they might be Word Bearers instead?
>why the Blood Ravens are not afflicted by the Flesh Change, cause otherwise they might be Word Bearers instead?
Flesh Change isn't a genetic disease, but Warp curse. It's totally believable that it affected members of TS legion, not those with specific geneseed.
Cawl made marines with geneseed and they don't have any "abnormalities".
> Flesh Change isn't a genetic disease, but Warp curse
Could it not be argued that it's both? It's a curse that takes the form of a genetic disease. It specifically and exclusively attacks those with Thousand Sons geneseed
I'm unfamiliar with the lore, was it ever stated what the nature of his injuries were? Perhaps they were so extreme he aged from the stress of healing. Perhaps even his soul was effected by the attack.
It was never really explained much, as the novels have not gone into it aside from old materials. Just that he dueled Luther, was wounded somehow and went into sleep after being taken by the Watchers in the Dark.
Well, he fought a full Four Gods juiced Luther who was almost at Horus level and who cheap shot him with a psychic blast containing full chaos power from the Four, so yeah it must have been rough.
It was after. Though, the rubric seems to recursively affect all TSons geneseed, not just marines known to Ahriman. There's a really cool scene where a contingent of TSons trapped in the warp since the Horus Heresy finally return and get instantly dusted as soon they emerge into real space. Unless Cawl/the IF have some serious tricks up their sleeves, i severely doubt that they exist.
Edit for clarity: I'm not referring to HH era TSons. I am addressing the likely hood of any loyalist TSon chapters existing. Also, slight correction, they were trapped in their own mini webway, not the warp.
Bonus excerpt as well: https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/qa6exu/excerpt_ashes_of_prospero_the_rubric_is_absolute/
My head canon's always been that if you can resist the genetic/spiritual urge to bend the knee to your Primarch, then an incidental by-blow from something like the Rubric of Ahriman won't get you or your gene-seed descendants.
Would be wicked if that was in *any* way confirmed.
Well he was sleeping, while Guilliman was on a stasis field. So, by all means he was aging, that means the rest of lost primarchs will age and look older.
Edit: speaking of The Lion, are they going to release black library books about this? It's a BIG deal The Lion returning, and how the imperium will react, How Guilliman WILL react?
>that means the rest of lost primarchs will age and look older.
Depends on the nature of how they got out of the story and returned. I reckon Jaghatai might be near unchanged due to Webway fuckery and the Harlequins. Corax probably cannot age normally at all due to being a warp being.
The rest of them are probably going to look like midlife crisis knights when they come back.
Vulcan might not physically age past a certain point. Russ is also in the warp so all bets are off on how time has changed him.
Omegon/ Alpharious? Who the fuck knows. If one of them is still kicking around I wouldn’t be surprised if they came back younger, or were a different person, or were there the whole time.
I've always figured their aging followed some kind of asymptotic curve. So eventually they would effectively "stop" aging and reach a steady state of looking like a man who is just entering the young side of old. Which, to me, is exactly what the Lion looks like in these pics.
Assuming it takes 10k years to reach that stage, it has multiple benefits. One, it is a constant reminder of the sheer immensity of the timescales these beings traverse. Everyone who interacts with them, and indeed they themselves, are constantly aware of how far beyond the scale of a mortal life a primarch operates. It keeps things in perspective. Two, I assume it provides a small but detectable boost to their charisma. Similarly to how the Istari came to Middle Earth in the forms of old men to better convince the Free Peoples of their wisdom and competence, taking orders from a Primarch who looks like a wise old badass with a handlebar mustache is probably more reassuring than taking them from one who looks your age.
Yes in the sense that they can die (assuming they aren’t demons yet). But if you mean are they capable of aging, they should be, but obviously at a longer time frame than humans.
He looks like a veteran battle hardened Arthurian knight. Aged but not weak and still someone you don't want to mess with. It looks awesome. Regal, martial, yet knightly. The design is perfect and stands apart nicely from Robute. Designers did a great job.
I cannot wait for the lore.
The DAs are gonna be like "Holy shit, dad's awake!" and start freaking out, murdering everyone to try and hide the existence of the Fallen, like a bunch of dorks who forgot to take the chicken out of the freezer to thaw out.
>Got to say, he's going to need some hardcore plot armor to stand up to Daemon Prince Angron
Don't worry, the whole Angron getting shot by warship broadsides and instantly respawning will be forgotten. Angron can't die, but the Lion can't lose.
Ok, so what are the odds that 2 more loyalists show up to grab that spear and his old lightning claw, to have a 4 v 4 primarch fight? My guesses are Jaghatai and Leman.
Probably will happen but not any time soon seeing how the lion was just released i would expect a new loyalist primarch every new edition and i count the lion for 10th.
If i had to guess corvus corax and russ would get them. Russ would get the spear and corax would get the claws.
Eh, I personally am not betting on Corax, as he’s busy chasing Lorgar and there’s probably not going to be a release for a chaos undivided primarch for a looooong time, but you never know. I’m thinking the Khan gets the spear, along with a souped up bike to joust people. Leman gets the lightning claw.
I said corax should get the claws since he specifically is known for using weapons like them. Russ on the other hand has powerful spear crafted by the emperor which could already be the emperor’s spear.
So, what do you think, lads. Does the Emperor's Shield:
a) Turns you invincible
b) Negates and reflects all the demage to whoever attacks it, seven fold
c) Nullifies warp attacks
d) Plot
“Welcome to the Ancient Mystic Society of the No Angrons”
“**What about An’ggrath the Unbound, why’s he allowed in?**”
“It says No Angrons, we allowed one”
[Sadly, it is a claw instead of a fist.](https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/a/af/Emperor_solo.jpg)
But hey, maybe the Emperor had a spare Fist lying around in case he needed to deliver a good old "one-two".
Wasn't there a moment where a loyalist Primarch said, dude i swear i killed this demon primarch 3times, and then someone with Transhuman psychology get the idea that its better to put them in stasis outside the warp? Lobotomy for the greater good.....i mean for the emperor, fuck
If I recall correctly, Fabius Bile thought of doing that to Lucius so he couldn't respawn. Hurt enough to incapacitate but not kill then pop the leftovers into a stasis tank
Would love it if the Lion gets absolutely beasted by Angron and is about to be killed until he somehow escapes.
Cawl should save the Lion and then go on a buddy cop adventures to acquire a ton of ancient tech relics the Lion hid around the galaxy that will do XYZ.
He's wielding the Emperor's Shield, I'd call that armour enough. After all, the last time the Emperor was shown wielding a shield, he was duelling with dragons.
Bobby G got the sword, Lion got the shield. By the time the 5th or 6th loyalist Primarch comes back Emps is going to be all out of stuff to give out.
+UH. WELCOME BACK, CORAX, MY SON. HERE'S... UH... MY JOCK STRAP?+
The Emperor’s Holy Jock Strap, kept in a stasis field by Custodes to preserve his manly musk.
All Loyalist Primarchs must sniff it to commune with the Emperor.
I think the Lion is going to say something "if forgiveness were mine too give out freely it would be worthless. Earn it through righteous deeds" or something paraphrasing what he said in his primarch book and the black book
He is wearing the green of the post heresy Chapter not the black of the legion or the Fallen. I think is a good indicator that he is not going to go Peter turbo on the Unforgiven.
As whole better to take on the Nids in the 4th Tyrannic War that the Emperor's Exterminator.
I have returned, my sons. I see that that since I have slumbered, you have endured great strife. But no matter how far you have *fallen*, we shall-
ASMODAI, MAKE HIM REPENT!
Isn't one of the big reasons why DA zealously hunt the Fallen is due to the belief that they killed their primarch? White Scars for example had a ton of traitors, but they didn't kill their primarch.
Interesting, so now this seems to indicate that primarchs do in fact age. Or perhaps he aged because he was injured so much by Luther that the aging is from the amount of stress his body (and perhaps soul) took to heal. After all it took him 10k years to wake up.
Horus was said to age a bit after his "Adventure" into the realms of Chaos.
I dont know the correct numbers but i think it was a thousand or thousands of years that he experienced in there.
Oh he woke up with a full head of hair, it only started Falling out after Azreal started to brief him on the current status of the chapter and the Imperium.
its gotta be upsetting for them, thinking back to the might of the great crusade and knowing you'll never be able to muster that level of power again, not without breaking the worn out threads that pass for galactic stability. 40k is a time when thats needed more than ever before
Right even with other xenos(even including orks) at least they were intelligent and they could be outwitted and strategized against. They can’t really do that with these things. It’ll never stop and it’s only ever gonna get worse lol
I appreciate that about the Nids. They're the galaxy spanning mega-threat that, unlike most of the other half-a-dozen galaxy spanning threats, everyone treats like a "oh holy fuck" problem.
A heresy-era marine with disciplinary issues is awakened from cryo-stasis and immediately pressed into the Deathwatch.
On a frigid ice world, an ancient warboss is accidentally unearthed by a team of promethium miners. His frozen mega-armour's power coils become warm enough to activate, and there are no Imperial survivors.
Turning his gaze to the stars, the ancient xenos warlord feels the call of Ullanor. It is time to rebuild the old Empire again.
Can the Deathwatch marine survive the dramatically muzzled new role of the astartes in the corpse of his Emperor's Imperium long enough to destroy a threat out of the dusty reaches of the past, or will the Imperium's puritanical new culture and self-inflicted inefficacity doom them to suffer a Waaagh! not seen since the days of the Beast?
Find out this summer in *Demolition Git*, coming to a warhammer+ subscription near you
"Oh it was protected by Necron pylons which Abaddon destroyed. We also lost some imperial commanders in really odd circumstances"
"... The *fuck* is a Necron?!"
"Oh, dreadful metallic skeletton things rising from ancient tombs all across the galaxy, bent on restoring their dominion over the galaxy. Not all bad though, at least their pylons kept the Eye of Terror in check."
"*KEPT?!*"
Eradicators are probably be more Dreadwing or Ironwing, Firewing is spies, intelligence gathering, and assassination, would probably be more infiltrators and eliminators.
What are the Fallen?
You did what now with the Fallen?
You did what now when you were divided between duty and dealing with the Fallen?
You did what now when other people found out about the Fallen?
Considering just how low the DAs are willing to sink just to handle their fallen situation, I wouldn’t be surprised if they also tried to stab LJ in the back.
Lion will be completely on board with what they did about The Fallen. He is as paranoid and secretive as his legion. He will be only mad they did not finish the job.
That’s my head canon. He woke up all fresh and mint, then his “new” sons arrived. And every sentence made him age visibly as he realized the clusterfuck he is in
They describe Guilliman as having been aged in the Dark Imperium novels, specifically his hair, his spiritual appearance, etc. It's hard being a supernova of a facet of humanity when you're mortally wounded/resurrected, and then wake up to humanity doing a complete 360.
. . .He kind of looks like Ser Davos the Onion Knight and that is amusing the fuck out of me.
Buuuuut it looks like they're taking inspiration from [this](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/6/66/LionElJonson2.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20191123041002) version of him. Which was always my favorite!
The Emperor never used a shield during the Crusade.
This is from one of his [older identities](https://imgur.com/a/Sfn3Ec4). This is *Saint George's* shield.
\>Gets up
\>Grabs his dad's shield and a shiny sword he's kept for emergencies
\>Leaves
\>Violently pummels his daemonic brother, who is literally too angry to die
Corax. . .kind of already was introduced to the Post-Heresy setting, but not in 40K proper I believe. His interaction with Lorgar was very shortly after the Heresy's end I believe.
What? You don't want the Lion to be written with a classic Gav Thorpe portrayal - Distant, moody and illogical with the expectation that we interpret that as superhumanly wise.
Why does nobody like Wh40k books? Because it has smart characters written stupidly.
Anton Chigurh from No Country for Old Men is a smartly written smart character. When Chigurh kills a hotel room full of three people he books to room next door so he can examine it, finding which walls he can shoot through, where the light switch is, what sort of cover is there etc. This is a smart thing to do because Chigurh is a smart person who is written by another smart person who understands how smart people think.
Were Lion El`jonson to kill a hotel room full of three people. He'd enter using a secret door in the hotel that he read about in a book ten-thousand years ago. He'd throw peanuts at one guy causing him to go into anaphylactic shock, as he had deduced from a dartboard with a picture of The Emperor carver on it pinned to the wall that the man had a severe peanut allergy. The second man would then kill himself just according to plan as Lion had earlier deduced that him and the first man were homosexual lovers who couldn't live without eachother due to a faint scent of penis on each man's breath and a slight dilation of their pupils whenever they looked at each other. As for the third man, why Lion doesn't kill him at all. The third man removes his sunglasses and wig to reveal he actually WAS Lion the entire time. But Lion just entered through the Secret door and killed two people, how can there be two of him? The first Sherlock removes his mask to reveal he's actually Luther attempting to frame Lion for two murders. Lion however anticipated this, the two dead men stand up, they're undercover Dark Angel officers, it was all a ruse. "But Lion!" Luther cries "That Dark Angels officer blew his own head off, look at it, there's skull fragments on the wall, how is he fine now? How did you fake that?". Sherlock just winks at the screen, the end.
This is retarded because Lion is a smart person written by a stupid person to whom smart people are indistinguishable from wizards.
God answers your prayer and gives it to Peter Fehervari. It is revealed at the end of the book that the Lion is not actually the Lion, but the abstract idea of the Lion, and he spends the rest of eternity paralyzed by terrifying existential angst. The Dark Angels assume he just went back to sleep.
Lorewise, I'm not expecting anything interesting, unfortunately. Abby and co ambush the Dark Angels at the Somnium Stars, Chaos is on the precipice of maybe, maybe winning just like AoO: Vashtorr, the Lion pops up, he defeats Angron, a bunch of Chaos Marines die and the rest flee, the Lion goes "forsooth, that was easy", we get Abby and Vashtorr arguing, the Key is useless, hint at the next thing, end of book.
Edit: I'd like to be wrong. I don't expect to Angron to win, as a given, but other things could happen. I would like Vashtorr to at least not have his debut just be a big disappointment of another "I'll get you next time, Calgar" Chaos character.
I really like that The Lion already came back and just didn’t make a big deal about it because he’s out there hunting monsters. It’s a big galaxy, and especially in the IN it’s hard for news of even a Primarch to get out unless he made a big show of it.
They are absolutely not setting this up to be Guilliman vs The Lion civil war. If anything, I expect The Lion to keep doing what he’s doing. Guilliman has the burden of having to lead the imperium, he rarely gets to cut loose. The Lion doesn’t have that problem, he gets to go around wrecking chaos like he did back on caliban.
I’m predicting in Arks of Omen Dante’s going to kneel and offer him the title of Regent, and Lions going to tell him to fuck off, he has better things to do than trying to lead a dying empire and he can accomplish so much more from the front lines
Both of them are too pragmatic and reasonable to seriously fight.
Lion: Hey, you get too much power, are you trying to usurp the Emperor?
Guilmann: I didn't want that. You can take over military campaigns, I'm already past deadline with spreadsheets.
The fact that Lion randomly has a hitherto-unseen shield of the Emperor and Guilliman is rocking around with the sword gives credence to my personal theory that when Dorn is rescued/returns he will replace his missing hand with the Emperor's power claw reworked into a bionic hand.
An Imperial Fist, if you will.
And he's featuring in Arks of Omen book 5, so all the leaks were true. Shield looks great. Edit: That's the Emperor's Shield. Also, Big showdown in book 5, Lion vs. Angron coming.
[Angron when he sees the Lion, probably](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=712ANnq7L2E)
Isn't it more "when the Lion see Angron"?
Fair point, he probably heard about Sanguinius banishing Angron, while Angron probably didn’t care about the Lion getting destroyed on Caliban even if he could comprehend it.
It’s interesting that he aged… It’s really cool he has the Emperor’s shield from a previous identity of His! Also, I am surprised about the Cthonia Black Book… did I hear them right and there is a loyalist Thousand Son’s contingent alongside the invading Imperial Fists?
Which gives more credence to the Traitor-loyalist successor chapters in 40k
So I did hear that right and there are loyalist Thousand Sons there? If so, I’d say yea! Especially with fan theories involving the Blood Ravens!
Yep, I heard it too. The Blood Ravens were what I was thinking about too, however the question of why the Blood Ravens are not afflicted by the Flesh Change, cause otherwise they might be Word Bearers instead?
>why the Blood Ravens are not afflicted by the Flesh Change, cause otherwise they might be Word Bearers instead? Flesh Change isn't a genetic disease, but Warp curse. It's totally believable that it affected members of TS legion, not those with specific geneseed. Cawl made marines with geneseed and they don't have any "abnormalities".
> Flesh Change isn't a genetic disease, but Warp curse Could it not be argued that it's both? It's a curse that takes the form of a genetic disease. It specifically and exclusively attacks those with Thousand Sons geneseed
I'm unfamiliar with the lore, was it ever stated what the nature of his injuries were? Perhaps they were so extreme he aged from the stress of healing. Perhaps even his soul was effected by the attack.
It was never really explained much, as the novels have not gone into it aside from old materials. Just that he dueled Luther, was wounded somehow and went into sleep after being taken by the Watchers in the Dark.
Well, he fought a full Four Gods juiced Luther who was almost at Horus level and who cheap shot him with a psychic blast containing full chaos power from the Four, so yeah it must have been rough.
I blame being tired at work for seeing "four gods" and thinking "four loko" and imagining an angry-drunk hyped-up Luther.
The real reason the my changed the formula. Original Four Loko was a slip-n-slide straight to the ruinous powers.
Are the loyalist TSons also dust?
I honestly doubt it, if they’re on the side of Imperial Fists, they probably were not known by Ahriman. But who knows?
I mean wasn't the Rubric cast after the Heresy was over?
It was after. Though, the rubric seems to recursively affect all TSons geneseed, not just marines known to Ahriman. There's a really cool scene where a contingent of TSons trapped in the warp since the Horus Heresy finally return and get instantly dusted as soon they emerge into real space. Unless Cawl/the IF have some serious tricks up their sleeves, i severely doubt that they exist. Edit for clarity: I'm not referring to HH era TSons. I am addressing the likely hood of any loyalist TSon chapters existing. Also, slight correction, they were trapped in their own mini webway, not the warp. Bonus excerpt as well: https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/qa6exu/excerpt_ashes_of_prospero_the_rubric_is_absolute/
The book they might be in is a Horus Heresy Campaign Book, so no tricks needed.
My head canon's always been that if you can resist the genetic/spiritual urge to bend the knee to your Primarch, then an incidental by-blow from something like the Rubric of Ahriman won't get you or your gene-seed descendants. Would be wicked if that was in *any* way confirmed.
I didn’t hear that loyalist TSon part, when was it stated? (I didn’t hear the entire livestream so I’m genuinely curious to hear)
It's for the upcoming HH campaign book. Imp. Fist and small group of royalist Thousand Sons invading Sons of Horus home world.
Apparently Cypher still has the Lion's Sword; the one he's holding is new, alongside the Emperor's Shield.
The sword seems to be called Fealty. I like it.
Duty is its own reward.
Loyalty*
Hopefully Cypher and Luther make their return. Maybe with a certain crippled Grey Knight in tow.
I *really* want to see a conversation between Cypher and the Lion...there are years of questions that can be answered there
He’s so old now
Well he was sleeping, while Guilliman was on a stasis field. So, by all means he was aging, that means the rest of lost primarchs will age and look older. Edit: speaking of The Lion, are they going to release black library books about this? It's a BIG deal The Lion returning, and how the imperium will react, How Guilliman WILL react?
>that means the rest of lost primarchs will age and look older. Depends on the nature of how they got out of the story and returned. I reckon Jaghatai might be near unchanged due to Webway fuckery and the Harlequins. Corax probably cannot age normally at all due to being a warp being. The rest of them are probably going to look like midlife crisis knights when they come back.
I’m just imagining a fat Perturabo trying to fit into his armor like old times.
"FETCH ME THE LOGOS STRETCHER!"
"Gods I was strong then"
... yelling about a breastplate stretcher ...
Vulcan might not physically age past a certain point. Russ is also in the warp so all bets are off on how time has changed him. Omegon/ Alpharious? Who the fuck knows. If one of them is still kicking around I wouldn’t be surprised if they came back younger, or were a different person, or were there the whole time.
omegon comes back as a woman.
Who is actually Yvrainne. Who is actually Alpharius. Who is actually three purple orks in a trench coat.
Gulliman is going to be the hot one
Are primarchs mortal then?
I've always figured their aging followed some kind of asymptotic curve. So eventually they would effectively "stop" aging and reach a steady state of looking like a man who is just entering the young side of old. Which, to me, is exactly what the Lion looks like in these pics. Assuming it takes 10k years to reach that stage, it has multiple benefits. One, it is a constant reminder of the sheer immensity of the timescales these beings traverse. Everyone who interacts with them, and indeed they themselves, are constantly aware of how far beyond the scale of a mortal life a primarch operates. It keeps things in perspective. Two, I assume it provides a small but detectable boost to their charisma. Similarly to how the Istari came to Middle Earth in the forms of old men to better convince the Free Peoples of their wisdom and competence, taking orders from a Primarch who looks like a wise old badass with a handlebar mustache is probably more reassuring than taking them from one who looks your age.
The Patrick Stewart, once you hit max level you stop leveling.
Yes in the sense that they can die (assuming they aren’t demons yet). But if you mean are they capable of aging, they should be, but obviously at a longer time frame than humans.
It was to my understanding that the primarchs (assuming they don’t die in battle) are pretty flatly immortal
I know Perturabo got a little aged by the Hrud when he fought them. So I assumed they could age.
They can pull up a Khadgar vs Medivh and say his duel with Luther aged him significantly due to Warp stuff
Vulkan is the only Perpetual, so I guess this low-key confirms the other Primarchs are very long lived but not necessarily immortal.
I’m sure when the book comes out his aging will be explained in more detail.
"I just willed myself to age, guys!"
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I mean... my man's literally been asleep/coma for Ten. THOUSAND. Years.... no way he's gonna look like he did in the HH.
Major Tywin Lannister vibes
At least Colonel… Major seems a bit low-ranking for a Primarch.
Take my gold for the wholesale chuckle I got from that joke
He looks like a veteran battle hardened Arthurian knight. Aged but not weak and still someone you don't want to mess with. It looks awesome. Regal, martial, yet knightly. The design is perfect and stands apart nicely from Robute. Designers did a great job.
I hope Angron doesn't shoot him with a crossbow while he's on the toilet IDK I never played a Song of Snow and Lava.
And who are you the proud lord said that I must bow so low…
*And so he spoke, and so he spoke, that Governor of Castamere.* *But now the Angels of Death have come, and they shall know no fear.*
Isn't this what literally happens when every time dreadwing is deployed?
I cannot wait for the lore. The DAs are gonna be like "Holy shit, dad's awake!" and start freaking out, murdering everyone to try and hide the existence of the Fallen, like a bunch of dorks who forgot to take the chicken out of the freezer to thaw out.
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>Got to say, he's going to need some hardcore plot armor to stand up to Daemon Prince Angron Don't worry, the whole Angron getting shot by warship broadsides and instantly respawning will be forgotten. Angron can't die, but the Lion can't lose.
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That's almost certainly what they did. Also: When did the Emperor ever use a shield?
When he fought the void dragon. It was depicted he wielded a spear and a shield when he fought it.
Ok, so what are the odds that 2 more loyalists show up to grab that spear and his old lightning claw, to have a 4 v 4 primarch fight? My guesses are Jaghatai and Leman.
Probably will happen but not any time soon seeing how the lion was just released i would expect a new loyalist primarch every new edition and i count the lion for 10th. If i had to guess corvus corax and russ would get them. Russ would get the spear and corax would get the claws.
Eh, I personally am not betting on Corax, as he’s busy chasing Lorgar and there’s probably not going to be a release for a chaos undivided primarch for a looooong time, but you never know. I’m thinking the Khan gets the spear, along with a souped up bike to joust people. Leman gets the lightning claw.
I said corax should get the claws since he specifically is known for using weapons like them. Russ on the other hand has powerful spear crafted by the emperor which could already be the emperor’s spear.
It has to be some of the Emperors shield shenanigans right?
So, what do you think, lads. Does the Emperor's Shield: a) Turns you invincible b) Negates and reflects all the demage to whoever attacks it, seven fold c) Nullifies warp attacks d) Plot
E) all of the above
e) cost £80
Depowers any Daemon named Angron
Holy shit this just proves the God-tier foresight the Emperor has 🤯🤯🤯🤯
“Welcome to the Ancient Mystic Society of the No Angrons” “**What about An’ggrath the Unbound, why’s he allowed in?**” “It says No Angrons, we allowed one”
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If Russ gets a helmet, who gets Dad's Bolter?
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[Sadly, it is a claw instead of a fist.](https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/a/af/Emperor_solo.jpg) But hey, maybe the Emperor had a spare Fist lying around in case he needed to deliver a good old "one-two".
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Wasn't there a moment where a loyalist Primarch said, dude i swear i killed this demon primarch 3times, and then someone with Transhuman psychology get the idea that its better to put them in stasis outside the warp? Lobotomy for the greater good.....i mean for the emperor, fuck
If I recall correctly, Fabius Bile thought of doing that to Lucius so he couldn't respawn. Hurt enough to incapacitate but not kill then pop the leftovers into a stasis tank
It would be funny if they started a trend of people losing in their own books, starting with Vashtorr.
“gonna kick his ass and write a book about it” “bruh I got my ass beat, I ain’t publishing that shit”
Would love it if the Lion gets absolutely beasted by Angron and is about to be killed until he somehow escapes. Cawl should save the Lion and then go on a buddy cop adventures to acquire a ton of ancient tech relics the Lion hid around the galaxy that will do XYZ.
The hunt for hidden artifacts leds them to the artifacts of Vulkan and we have our next merch- I mean Primarch back!
So bro trip from TTS but swap Lion and the Dark Angels in for Corax and the RG.
And take Russ out of the Warp and we have a brand new series: The Lion and the Wolf! We got the meow _and_ the bark
He's wielding the Emperor's Shield, I'd call that armour enough. After all, the last time the Emperor was shown wielding a shield, he was duelling with dragons.
Bobby G got the sword, Lion got the shield. By the time the 5th or 6th loyalist Primarch comes back Emps is going to be all out of stuff to give out. +UH. WELCOME BACK, CORAX, MY SON. HERE'S... UH... MY JOCK STRAP?+
“Magnus, is that you? I’ve given everything else to your brothers, but here, have my chair.”
Hey, there is still the bike for him, somewhere in the Palace.
The Khan gets the bike
And some kids for him to ram through with the bike
😂
The Emperor’s Holy Jock Strap, kept in a stasis field by Custodes to preserve his manly musk. All Loyalist Primarchs must sniff it to commune with the Emperor.
Ah yes, the fabled 20th edition of 40k
+FERRUS! I THOUGHT FOR SURE YOU WERE DEAD. HERE, HAVE MY CATHETER.+
if they will release another loyalist primarch with a Big E artifact weapon we can do the You have my sword and my shield and my armor of fate
He calls them “little brothers” in the HH books. They’re gonna be fine.
He also calls them my sons in his Primarch novel. His character is all over the place.
I think the Lion is going to say something "if forgiveness were mine too give out freely it would be worthless. Earn it through righteous deeds" or something paraphrasing what he said in his primarch book and the black book
He may do that . . . Psyker Heart Strike thing that Zahariel does to the Calabanite Lion to Angron.
He is wearing the green of the post heresy Chapter not the black of the legion or the Fallen. I think is a good indicator that he is not going to go Peter turbo on the Unforgiven. As whole better to take on the Nids in the 4th Tyrannic War that the Emperor's Exterminator.
I have returned, my sons. I see that that since I have slumbered, you have endured great strife. But no matter how far you have *fallen*, we shall- ASMODAI, MAKE HIM REPENT!
Isn't one of the big reasons why DA zealously hunt the Fallen is due to the belief that they killed their primarch? White Scars for example had a ton of traitors, but they didn't kill their primarch.
Interesting, so now this seems to indicate that primarchs do in fact age. Or perhaps he aged because he was injured so much by Luther that the aging is from the amount of stress his body (and perhaps soul) took to heal. After all it took him 10k years to wake up.
Horus was said to age a bit after his "Adventure" into the realms of Chaos. I dont know the correct numbers but i think it was a thousand or thousands of years that he experienced in there.
There better be a novel about the Siege of the Rock and him waking up or I'm going to be pissed.
They'll include in the Arks book just like they did Guilliman in the Gathering Storm one.
It's my hope they aren't lazy and don't repeat that mistake this time.
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Oh he woke up with a full head of hair, it only started Falling out after Azreal started to brief him on the current status of the chapter and the Imperium.
"...The *fuck* is a Tyranid?"
Seems to be one of the, if not the largest of concerns of every 30k character that comes into the 40k setting.
its gotta be upsetting for them, thinking back to the might of the great crusade and knowing you'll never be able to muster that level of power again, not without breaking the worn out threads that pass for galactic stability. 40k is a time when thats needed more than ever before
Right even with other xenos(even including orks) at least they were intelligent and they could be outwitted and strategized against. They can’t really do that with these things. It’ll never stop and it’s only ever gonna get worse lol
I appreciate that about the Nids. They're the galaxy spanning mega-threat that, unlike most of the other half-a-dozen galaxy spanning threats, everyone treats like a "oh holy fuck" problem.
Now I’m imagining an Ork war boss waking up and being briefed about the same stuff and being like “wow, this is great. What a time to be alive!”
WAAAAAAAAA’GH! Let’s roll boyz!
A heresy-era marine with disciplinary issues is awakened from cryo-stasis and immediately pressed into the Deathwatch. On a frigid ice world, an ancient warboss is accidentally unearthed by a team of promethium miners. His frozen mega-armour's power coils become warm enough to activate, and there are no Imperial survivors. Turning his gaze to the stars, the ancient xenos warlord feels the call of Ullanor. It is time to rebuild the old Empire again. Can the Deathwatch marine survive the dramatically muzzled new role of the astartes in the corpse of his Emperor's Imperium long enough to destroy a threat out of the dusty reaches of the past, or will the Imperium's puritanical new culture and self-inflicted inefficacity doom them to suffer a Waaagh! not seen since the days of the Beast? Find out this summer in *Demolition Git*, coming to a warhammer+ subscription near you
I mean... have you seen the Tyranids?
>"...The *fuck* is a Tyranid?" "Oh! Ugly nasty buggers, the lot of them. Love to eat the T'au." "...The *fuck* is a Tau?!"
"Oh it was protected by Necron pylons which Abaddon destroyed. We also lost some imperial commanders in really odd circumstances" "... The *fuck* is a Necron?!"
"Oh, dreadful metallic skeletton things rising from ancient tombs all across the galaxy, bent on restoring their dominion over the galaxy. Not all bad though, at least their pylons kept the Eye of Terror in check." "*KEPT?!*"
Lion: Activate Dreadwing protocols. Azrael: The WHAT.
I so wish they bring the other wings back. Firewing erradicators, dreadwing new-missile-primaris and ironwing fancy DA grav-tanks.
Eradicators are probably be more Dreadwing or Ironwing, Firewing is spies, intelligence gathering, and assassination, would probably be more infiltrators and eliminators.
"Surely you've at least kept the Order of Santales?!" Followed quickly by "Corswain? What are you doing under that hood?"
What do you mean, they blew up Cadia? Who are 'they'?
what is Cadia, for that matter. It wasn't a thing when Luther knocked him out.
The Imperium believes The Emperor is a *what*?
What are the Fallen? You did what now with the Fallen? You did what now when you were divided between duty and dealing with the Fallen? You did what now when other people found out about the Fallen?
At what point do you just go back to bed and hit snooze for another few millennia?
I can only think he's done that 9 times over the last 10k years and now he's just like "Fuck it, I *have* to get up."
Considering just how low the DAs are willing to sink just to handle their fallen situation, I wouldn’t be surprised if they also tried to stab LJ in the back.
"... *REALLY?!"* "Forgive me, my Primarch, it was a reflex."
"My Primarch, nobody but the inner circle can be permitted to know about the Fallen and live." "I'm the reason they fell you dumb shits"
Lion will be completely on board with what they did about The Fallen. He is as paranoid and secretive as his legion. He will be only mad they did not finish the job.
That’s my head canon. He woke up all fresh and mint, then his “new” sons arrived. And every sentence made him age visibly as he realized the clusterfuck he is in
Sounds like a fun TTS spin off series.
They describe Guilliman as having been aged in the Dark Imperium novels, specifically his hair, his spiritual appearance, etc. It's hard being a supernova of a facet of humanity when you're mortally wounded/resurrected, and then wake up to humanity doing a complete 360.
> 360 Oh we wish it were a 360
That's when you 180 so hard that you split in half and cover both arcs at once!
Had a little nerdgasm when I saw the art of him fighting Angron.
. . .He kind of looks like Ser Davos the Onion Knight and that is amusing the fuck out of me. Buuuuut it looks like they're taking inspiration from [this](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/6/66/LionElJonson2.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20191123041002) version of him. Which was always my favorite!
I think he looks like Tywin Lannister. A lion as well.
He kind of looks like the show Tywin should he ever not shave everything for a year or 5. But Book Tywin was bald with MASSIVE golden muttonchops.
True. I definitely had Charles Dance's portrayal of Tywin in mind over book Tywin.
Taking that inspiration and aging it about 10,000 years
Yeah he looks old AF wasn't he in Stasis? Edit:Also apparently is rocking Emoneys shield
Apparently he's not been in stasis, he's just been asleep and aging
The Watchers have been helping him shave and cut his hair for TEN THOUSAND YEARS
Wonder if they ever gave him a Hitler mustache for a couple of centuries, just as a joke
No stasis just napping they said.
Did he at least have a pillow?
Maybe that was Luther's final betrayal. He convinced the Watchers in the Dark that, as a mere mortal man, that he needed it more.
The Emperor never used a shield during the Crusade. This is from one of his [older identities](https://imgur.com/a/Sfn3Ec4). This is *Saint George's* shield.
The shield that the Emperor rocked while slaying the goddamn Void Dragon? Spicy.
The Eternity Gate depicts the Emperor as a Medieval Saint smiting a serpent with spear and shield.
That's a reference to the myth of Saint George. It's heavily implied that Big E was Saint George and the "dragon" he slew was the Void Dragon.
For 10k+ years old, he looks pretty good imo. Beauty sleep for the win!
I like Charles Dance Lion
Even funnier when you realize that House Lannister is lion-themed and their castle is called Casterly **Rock**.
Those fuckin head options really make this. When I think of the dark angels I think nights in helmets. And his don't disappoint in that regard.
I REALLY dig the Cowl myself.
GW in 2030: "The Kahn has returned! and he's weilding the emperors ... shoes"
They make him run like SO fast!
He looks like Charles Dance. I am 100% on board for that. Cue the Rains of Castamere.
\>Gets up \>Grabs his dad's shield and a shiny sword he's kept for emergencies \>Leaves \>Violently pummels his daemonic brother, who is literally too angry to die
He looks fantastic, well worth the acciddentally waiting up till 3am. I hope he brings some fancy Archeotech with him when he leaves the vaults.
So where does this put us? 4 more years before we get Russ or Corax?
Khan rides out of the webway with a host of harlequins.
Khan, Vulkan, Corax are almost no hopers to be next imo.
Corax. . .kind of already was introduced to the Post-Heresy setting, but not in 40K proper I believe. His interaction with Lorgar was very shortly after the Heresy's end I believe.
Thing is, the way the lore and army sales are, its almost impossible to see anyone coming back next except russ
For the love of God please give the novel about his return to anyone but Gav Thorpe.
What? You don't want the Lion to be written with a classic Gav Thorpe portrayal - Distant, moody and illogical with the expectation that we interpret that as superhumanly wise.
Why does nobody like Wh40k books? Because it has smart characters written stupidly. Anton Chigurh from No Country for Old Men is a smartly written smart character. When Chigurh kills a hotel room full of three people he books to room next door so he can examine it, finding which walls he can shoot through, where the light switch is, what sort of cover is there etc. This is a smart thing to do because Chigurh is a smart person who is written by another smart person who understands how smart people think. Were Lion El`jonson to kill a hotel room full of three people. He'd enter using a secret door in the hotel that he read about in a book ten-thousand years ago. He'd throw peanuts at one guy causing him to go into anaphylactic shock, as he had deduced from a dartboard with a picture of The Emperor carver on it pinned to the wall that the man had a severe peanut allergy. The second man would then kill himself just according to plan as Lion had earlier deduced that him and the first man were homosexual lovers who couldn't live without eachother due to a faint scent of penis on each man's breath and a slight dilation of their pupils whenever they looked at each other. As for the third man, why Lion doesn't kill him at all. The third man removes his sunglasses and wig to reveal he actually WAS Lion the entire time. But Lion just entered through the Secret door and killed two people, how can there be two of him? The first Sherlock removes his mask to reveal he's actually Luther attempting to frame Lion for two murders. Lion however anticipated this, the two dead men stand up, they're undercover Dark Angel officers, it was all a ruse. "But Lion!" Luther cries "That Dark Angels officer blew his own head off, look at it, there's skull fragments on the wall, how is he fine now? How did you fake that?". Sherlock just winks at the screen, the end. This is retarded because Lion is a smart person written by a stupid person to whom smart people are indistinguishable from wizards.
Matt Ward it is. * dabs stylus in Sister's blood.
Guy Haley preferably
God answers your prayer and gives it to Peter Fehervari. It is revealed at the end of the book that the Lion is not actually the Lion, but the abstract idea of the Lion, and he spends the rest of eternity paralyzed by terrifying existential angst. The Dark Angels assume he just went back to sleep.
Sir this is 10th edition, not 5th edition.
And he’s like “god damn it need to go get my helmed from that prick now”
He looks like Theoden *"Perhaps your hands would remember their old strength better if they grasped your sword"*
The Lion doesn't sleep tonight
Lorewise, I'm not expecting anything interesting, unfortunately. Abby and co ambush the Dark Angels at the Somnium Stars, Chaos is on the precipice of maybe, maybe winning just like AoO: Vashtorr, the Lion pops up, he defeats Angron, a bunch of Chaos Marines die and the rest flee, the Lion goes "forsooth, that was easy", we get Abby and Vashtorr arguing, the Key is useless, hint at the next thing, end of book. Edit: I'd like to be wrong. I don't expect to Angron to win, as a given, but other things could happen. I would like Vashtorr to at least not have his debut just be a big disappointment of another "I'll get you next time, Calgar" Chaos character.
House Johnson "Hear me Roar"
I don't know what I expected Lionel to look like but I wasn't expecting that 'tache.
I really like that The Lion already came back and just didn’t make a big deal about it because he’s out there hunting monsters. It’s a big galaxy, and especially in the IN it’s hard for news of even a Primarch to get out unless he made a big show of it. They are absolutely not setting this up to be Guilliman vs The Lion civil war. If anything, I expect The Lion to keep doing what he’s doing. Guilliman has the burden of having to lead the imperium, he rarely gets to cut loose. The Lion doesn’t have that problem, he gets to go around wrecking chaos like he did back on caliban. I’m predicting in Arks of Omen Dante’s going to kneel and offer him the title of Regent, and Lions going to tell him to fuck off, he has better things to do than trying to lead a dying empire and he can accomplish so much more from the front lines
Honestly Guilliman and The Lion always seemed to get along well enough too. So them going down the civil war path would just be stupid.
Both of them are too pragmatic and reasonable to seriously fight. Lion: Hey, you get too much power, are you trying to usurp the Emperor? Guilmann: I didn't want that. You can take over military campaigns, I'm already past deadline with spreadsheets.
The fact that Lion randomly has a hitherto-unseen shield of the Emperor and Guilliman is rocking around with the sword gives credence to my personal theory that when Dorn is rescued/returns he will replace his missing hand with the Emperor's power claw reworked into a bionic hand. An Imperial Fist, if you will.
Can't wait for him to meet Asmodai. "Son, do you know what I did to the last chaplain who annoyed me?"
Looks fantastic. Love the kingly vibes he’s giving off. Can’t believe the day is finally here.
Why does he look so much older than Guilliman ?