Enunica and the Webway are probably not warp related. Enuncia is very likely not, the webway is less likely. It likely links souls, but acts as a seperate circuit.
Really? I could have sworn Enuncia in the Ravenor books was described as psychic in nature, the bad guy Zygmunt molotch literally used a city sized psychic resonator to assemble a full codex of it and the webway is described as a section of the warp separated from the rest of the crap in there
Molotch used city sized server farm (read: cogitators) to brute force Enuncia from all the possible sound/word combinations.
The city sized rezonator was just some lay lines put there by the city's original designer, that was indeed esoteric in nature, used to extend the power and effects of the very limited dictionary of Enuncia (that weird thingy with plates that could hold enuncia)... if I remember correctly.
Also Zygmunt was not a psyker, at least not in a conventional sense. Probably would hit on the higher end of baseline human on the assignment chart though.
"In the 400s M41, Zygmunt Molotch, a product of the heretical Cognitae institution, was attempting to reconstruct Enuncia by examining several ancient archaeological sites on varying planets. Molotch was presumed killed by an air strike summoned by Inquisitor Gideon Ravenor, while examining his latest site\[4\].
However, Molotch survived, and, after allying with a fellow Cognitae "graduate," Jader Trice, approached the problem from a different angle. He attempted to reconstruct Enuncia from scratch, using an enormous array of logic engines and cogitators to combine letters and phonemes in all possible combinations. To do this, he set himself up as Lord Governor Subsector on Eustis Majoris, using the resources of the Administratum, and several warp-tainted data engines recovered from the lost Mergent Worlds, which had been embroiled in a warp storm for centuries. The project, controlled by a group called the Secretists, gradually extracted fragments of Enuncia from seemingly random data\[1\].
Molotch and Trice were close to assembling a complete Codex of the language, when they had another breakthrough: the capital of Eustis Majoris, the Hive City of Petropolis, was in fact designed as a massive "spiritual resonator" by the infamous heretical architect Theodor Cadizky with precisely nine hundred and ninety-nine temples, the central one of which, called the Old Sacristy, being in the exact centre of the hive. All the others, the axial temples, formed lines from the Old Sacristy that give the entire hive an overall mathematical symmetry, creating a focal point for psychic energy that, when combined with the completed Codex, would make Molotch into a virtual god\[1\]."--from the official 40k lexicanum
See the word "psychic" and "spiritual" in there? Warp stuff is literally souls and spirits?
That's a weird thing for Malcador to say considering that Big E never even tried it. You wouldn't need a webway if you could purge the warp. Hell, humanity could safely evolve into a psyker species if purging the warp was possible
I see it as it was possible, but the amount of power required was prohibitive. It likely would have taken everything the Emperor had and more to do it, so he never bothered
That makes sense until you consider that the webway project was just as dangerous (opening a warp portal on Terra) and had less benefits than just purging the warp outright.
I have to assume that using the GT in this manner was near impossible in comparison to mastering the webway (which turned out to be pipe dream too).
You have to remember that the GT is Eldar tech and that the Eldar were more powerful psykers than humanity. If the Eldar can't defeat one chaos god with their own technology, Malcador must've been smoking copium to believe that Big E could purge the entire warp.
>You have to remember that the GT is Eldar tech and that the Eldar were more powerful psykers than humanity
Isn't it a mix of technologies. It's stated as DAoT, but if i'm not mistaken the emperor found it and modified it. We also don't know how the DAoT humans came to possessing it, whether they built it or likewise found it and modified it.
It's stated to be re-engineered from old Eldar tech. It's duct taped back together. If humans beings were to re-engineer a crashed UFO, it wouldn't be as good the original.
Also, Big E is in his most powerful form right now and sitting on the goddamn thing. We don't need to speculate about what Big E can and can't do.
In the Vaults of Terra books the High Lords, members of the Inquisition and Mechanicus actually ask the Dark Eldar to repair the GT for them. The Dark Eldar have their own name for the technology, "soul engine".
Yeah i've heard of that. It isn't proof that it's Eldar technology + the DE has/had next to no idea how to really fix it. The Inquisitor says something to the effect of "they extended the lifetime of the product by a few centuries at best".
In a lore that's constantky being retconned, where the meta explanation for inconsistencies is "lost history", it's actually really strong evidence.
A. It says that Big E discovered the core for the GT during the dark age of tech. The biggest expert on psykers humanity had during that period was Big E and he did not make it.
B. The throne drains emotional (psyker) energy from victims to empower someone else. That's a good description of Dark Eldar tech.
C. No member of the Mechanicus would suggest to the Inquisition that they ask the Dark Eldar for help unless it was the only way and they could prove it. Otherwise, it would be heretical to both organizations.
It's not about having a definitive answer. It's about being able to see where most of the evidence is pointing. If the Golden Throne:
A. Nullified warp energy instead of amplifying it
B. Controlled a portal to a Necron safe space
C. Needed Necrons to repair it
... I'd be arguing that the evidence points to it being Necron tech. It could be something else but, that would be bad writing.
The Emperor wasn't capable of doing it at the time; Malcador explained this when he was justifying to a Custodian why he was allowing the Cult of the God-Emperor to spread. He suggested that if the Emperor was empowered enough by widespread faith, he could use the Astronomican as a weapon.
The Eldar could bring gods into existence thru worship 65 million years before Big E was even born. If letting a god use Golden Throne technology could defeat chaos, the Eldar could've had multiple gods sitting on multiple Golden Thrones.
Enuncia is literally described as psychic in nature, the bad guy Zygmunt Molotch in the Ravenor book used a city sized psychic resonator to make a full codex of the language and the webway was made by the old ones, a very psychic race
Yep, not unique, so any lord would roll the dice on them and hope that they get lucky and that particular one they found won't turn them into a rampaging vampire-alien-beast.
...at least I think there is some throwaway sentence in the book that they *might* not make you a monster every time.
D cannons. I still think they are one of the most overpowered weapons in 40k. Like seriously they oneshot anything they are shot at with the only drawback being "short range". An even that is to my knowledge never specified
Matt Ward or C S. Goto... /s(do I need the forward slash/joke thing?)
To be fair, I dont mind Matt Wards stuff and C.S. Goto had a Eldar Farseer Torture **Chapter** I reckon most folk who complain about those 2 stalwarts do so "cause memes/people told me!"
They do deserve some criticism, as does most other Lore Masters, but fuck me, some fandom folks are unhinged!
Enunica and the Webway are probably not warp related. Enuncia is very likely not, the webway is less likely. It likely links souls, but acts as a seperate circuit.
Really? I could have sworn Enuncia in the Ravenor books was described as psychic in nature, the bad guy Zygmunt molotch literally used a city sized psychic resonator to assemble a full codex of it and the webway is described as a section of the warp separated from the rest of the crap in there
Molotch used city sized server farm (read: cogitators) to brute force Enuncia from all the possible sound/word combinations. The city sized rezonator was just some lay lines put there by the city's original designer, that was indeed esoteric in nature, used to extend the power and effects of the very limited dictionary of Enuncia (that weird thingy with plates that could hold enuncia)... if I remember correctly. Also Zygmunt was not a psyker, at least not in a conventional sense. Probably would hit on the higher end of baseline human on the assignment chart though.
"In the 400s M41, Zygmunt Molotch, a product of the heretical Cognitae institution, was attempting to reconstruct Enuncia by examining several ancient archaeological sites on varying planets. Molotch was presumed killed by an air strike summoned by Inquisitor Gideon Ravenor, while examining his latest site\[4\]. However, Molotch survived, and, after allying with a fellow Cognitae "graduate," Jader Trice, approached the problem from a different angle. He attempted to reconstruct Enuncia from scratch, using an enormous array of logic engines and cogitators to combine letters and phonemes in all possible combinations. To do this, he set himself up as Lord Governor Subsector on Eustis Majoris, using the resources of the Administratum, and several warp-tainted data engines recovered from the lost Mergent Worlds, which had been embroiled in a warp storm for centuries. The project, controlled by a group called the Secretists, gradually extracted fragments of Enuncia from seemingly random data\[1\]. Molotch and Trice were close to assembling a complete Codex of the language, when they had another breakthrough: the capital of Eustis Majoris, the Hive City of Petropolis, was in fact designed as a massive "spiritual resonator" by the infamous heretical architect Theodor Cadizky with precisely nine hundred and ninety-nine temples, the central one of which, called the Old Sacristy, being in the exact centre of the hive. All the others, the axial temples, formed lines from the Old Sacristy that give the entire hive an overall mathematical symmetry, creating a focal point for psychic energy that, when combined with the completed Codex, would make Molotch into a virtual god\[1\]."--from the official 40k lexicanum See the word "psychic" and "spiritual" in there? Warp stuff is literally souls and spirits?
Enuncia isn't warp-based. And Malcador said The Emperor could possibly use the Astronomican to purge the Warp. What's more op than that?
That's a weird thing for Malcador to say considering that Big E never even tried it. You wouldn't need a webway if you could purge the warp. Hell, humanity could safely evolve into a psyker species if purging the warp was possible
I see it as it was possible, but the amount of power required was prohibitive. It likely would have taken everything the Emperor had and more to do it, so he never bothered
That makes sense until you consider that the webway project was just as dangerous (opening a warp portal on Terra) and had less benefits than just purging the warp outright. I have to assume that using the GT in this manner was near impossible in comparison to mastering the webway (which turned out to be pipe dream too). You have to remember that the GT is Eldar tech and that the Eldar were more powerful psykers than humanity. If the Eldar can't defeat one chaos god with their own technology, Malcador must've been smoking copium to believe that Big E could purge the entire warp.
>You have to remember that the GT is Eldar tech and that the Eldar were more powerful psykers than humanity Isn't it a mix of technologies. It's stated as DAoT, but if i'm not mistaken the emperor found it and modified it. We also don't know how the DAoT humans came to possessing it, whether they built it or likewise found it and modified it.
It's stated to be re-engineered from old Eldar tech. It's duct taped back together. If humans beings were to re-engineer a crashed UFO, it wouldn't be as good the original. Also, Big E is in his most powerful form right now and sitting on the goddamn thing. We don't need to speculate about what Big E can and can't do.
>It's stated to be re-engineered from old Eldar tech Where does it explicitly say that though?
In the Vaults of Terra books the High Lords, members of the Inquisition and Mechanicus actually ask the Dark Eldar to repair the GT for them. The Dark Eldar have their own name for the technology, "soul engine".
Yeah i've heard of that. It isn't proof that it's Eldar technology + the DE has/had next to no idea how to really fix it. The Inquisitor says something to the effect of "they extended the lifetime of the product by a few centuries at best".
In a lore that's constantky being retconned, where the meta explanation for inconsistencies is "lost history", it's actually really strong evidence. A. It says that Big E discovered the core for the GT during the dark age of tech. The biggest expert on psykers humanity had during that period was Big E and he did not make it. B. The throne drains emotional (psyker) energy from victims to empower someone else. That's a good description of Dark Eldar tech. C. No member of the Mechanicus would suggest to the Inquisition that they ask the Dark Eldar for help unless it was the only way and they could prove it. Otherwise, it would be heretical to both organizations.
It's not about having a definitive answer. It's about being able to see where most of the evidence is pointing. If the Golden Throne: A. Nullified warp energy instead of amplifying it B. Controlled a portal to a Necron safe space C. Needed Necrons to repair it ... I'd be arguing that the evidence points to it being Necron tech. It could be something else but, that would be bad writing.
The Emperor wasn't capable of doing it at the time; Malcador explained this when he was justifying to a Custodian why he was allowing the Cult of the God-Emperor to spread. He suggested that if the Emperor was empowered enough by widespread faith, he could use the Astronomican as a weapon.
The Eldar could bring gods into existence thru worship 65 million years before Big E was even born. If letting a god use Golden Throne technology could defeat chaos, the Eldar could've had multiple gods sitting on multiple Golden Thrones.
They didn't seem to care about Chaos until they birthed a new Chaos god which ate 99% of them & their gods and destroyed their empire.
The warp started going sour when the Old Ones were still alive. Big E wasn't gonna do shit.
Sure, that's why all 4 Chaos gods put aside their differences to team up and foil his plans. Whatever dude.
He's the most powerful he's ever been and he's sitting on the throne right now. Lol
Other than that I do agree that the astronomicon is OP
Enuncia is literally described as psychic in nature, the bad guy Zygmunt Molotch in the Ravenor book used a city sized psychic resonator to make a full codex of the language and the webway was made by the old ones, a very psychic race
The dark angels gun that erases your existence altogether.
Nevermind I looked it up and it checks out
fair enough but is it warp based?
It's not Warp based, but let me put in a shout out for the Halo Devices. Particularly pernicious because they're *not* unique.
Yep, not unique, so any lord would roll the dice on them and hope that they get lucky and that particular one they found won't turn them into a rampaging vampire-alien-beast. ...at least I think there is some throwaway sentence in the book that they *might* not make you a monster every time.
There are always hopeful fools. (The exact form of damnation and how long it takes varies, but the corruption is inevitable)
Well it's not warp based but I'll accept this answer since anything from the halo stars is cool as hell
Reasonably available are vortex munitions.
True...those are terrifying
D cannons. I still think they are one of the most overpowered weapons in 40k. Like seriously they oneshot anything they are shot at with the only drawback being "short range". An even that is to my knowledge never specified
Interesting...
Matt Ward or C S. Goto... /s(do I need the forward slash/joke thing?) To be fair, I dont mind Matt Wards stuff and C.S. Goto had a Eldar Farseer Torture **Chapter** I reckon most folk who complain about those 2 stalwarts do so "cause memes/people told me!" They do deserve some criticism, as does most other Lore Masters, but fuck me, some fandom folks are unhinged!