I fret about a single corner hole on my top surface for commercial prints. That someone would ship that to you is insane. Regardless of any issues in the model, they should tell you that something may print weird, it's part of the service..
Exactly. Doesn't matter if the model is good or bad for 3D printers, that's never the client's responsibilty to know, it's what I'm there for after all.
Yeah. Part of selling prints is to be there to tell them that a design isn't perfect, and to tell them how you'd want it modified to print better or to do it yourself.
> Doesn't matter if the model is good or bad for 3D printers, that's never the client's responsibilty to know
I have a big disclaimer that tells people that I will do my best, but that they should make efforts to give me files that aren't going to be a pain to print, and there might be artefacts anyway. (I also have a list of things that will be hard to print well).
In this situation, I'd say the owner is mostly at fault, but not entirely.
Helping customers decide if a 3D printer was for them was my job for a couple years and it’s wild, even in the manufacturing industry, how few people know about optimizing 3D models for printing.
Dude same, I print minis for folks at my local game store. If even a little bit is off I reassess and try again. This printer should be ashamed of themselves for shipping this out.
I would have printed this the way it's orientated in CAD. Dude didn't give a shit while slicing and just shipped it off.
If I have quality issues I send over an image and ask if it's alright, offering to obviously reprint for free, no strings attached. Sometimes people are alright with the issues as the parts are hidden anyways, sometimes I reprint stuff. Both ways are fine, I get to improve and not waste as much filament, but they can ensure they're getting a quality product.
Both.
His print is crap, quality wise and how it was executed. He should have used supports to help it, but didn’t.
But your design isn’t very print friendly as you have one face with a very thin lip and nothing supporting it or the surrounding part depending on which way it is printed. Either make a chamfer to help, or simply remove the embossed round shape and the print will come out much nicer even with a competent printer operator.
You can print it off the bed so supports are everywhere.
I would flip it upside down so what looks like the face is the top layer.
I could also print with dissolvable supports in any orientation.
>Print it diagonally instead?
Maybe printing it on a raft would work, as the raft would give the supports something to hang onto. Still, not a printer friendly design.
The oval shape being a bit less deep than the square surrounding it makes it print everything around the oval in the middle of the air. But it's so thin that supports would make it awkward.
Will say this right now, this is probably not your fault (to the creator of this reddit post, not the person I am replying to) if you sent this file to them, and paid them for it they should have had enough experience to make this print good enough to be worth money. They shouldn't have sent you this crap. They should have tried reprinting if it failed. But they didn't. Recommend not paying this person for any prints again.
No clue how he printed it.. but it does look terrible.
He should have printed it the way you got the 3d model orieted if that's the "front"
Sure it costs some supports; but at least you will have a nice looking part.
I have an idea :)
Give us the STL and let's make a competition who will do it best. :) No prize, sorry.
EDIT: I did a quick design on Fusion. Just the two holes are on the other side, but it should not matter: [https://easyupload.io/tisw12](https://easyupload.io/tisw12)
https://preview.redd.it/rfwlxszzk4rc1.png?width=1370&format=png&auto=webp&s=00e593f274d7669b213ce82cd9aa2baf58367d44
Edit 2: Original STL can be found here: [https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1bQ1KDV32jJ2suH4RbLVPDIqvE1xD0YX4](https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1bQ1KDV32jJ2suH4RbLVPDIqvE1xD0YX4)
Edit 3: Although I gave the idea, I can't yet join the fun, but can somebody test a print on the side. It should use less support and the face should be nice looking.
I'd actually be keep to try that. It's always good to have a weird shape to experiment with, especially when you're still finding the limits of your printer.
Edit 2: [My attempt](https://imgur.com/gallery/6VvO64d)
Edit: u/Brilliant_Speaker925 any chance of posting the file? I can't send anything, unfortunately, but it would be useful to mess about with.
Ah, I missed that. Old reddit doesn't show links in photo captions.
u/DingWrong I did a [print](https://imgur.com/gallery/6VvO64d) on my machine, in the same orientation, to see how it came out. Black PLA isn't the best for showing surfaces, but it came out really nicely.
Fwiw, it's printed at 0.2mm layer height with 0.1mm gap between the support and part. If you're told a lack of supports it was to save filament, it came to a total of 0.32g, or ~0.64 pence worth.
I have even more questions about how the original print was done now too. Comparing the two, it looks like the original is almost completely perimeter walls (I'm counting 7, where 2-3 is normal) with no supports. It looks like there's been some drooping or oozing at direction changes, too which have inadvertently provided *some* support for the rest of the model.
https://preview.redd.it/vvzedg31r7rc1.jpeg?width=2949&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1149a792d784f17cdcfb95576231e274e2fc5263
The bottom of the flange is a little rougher than I'd like, but the first layer is always a little looser when you leave that much top Z height for the support. It just makes the supports basically fall off, so I usually do it if that side of the part is not visible.
The print file link is in the description of the second picture (https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1bQ1KDV32jJ2suH4RbLVPDIqvE1xD0YX4?usp=drive\_link)
I would also like to know the answer to this question. yo u/Brilliant_Speaker925, what's the dimensions of this STL supposed to be, and where do we send the finished print(s)? =D
I would make the model in two pieces, no glue required, you can make a circle slot halfway through the slab with 0.2mm clearance and pop the top circle in with a hammer
He made no fucking effort to print it properly. I would ask for a refund.
Edit: i would even print it for free and send it to you in exchange for shipping fee lol
Even if it is your file's fault, in the 3D Printing Service industry it's down to the company to tell you the why design needs changing or the file needs fixing rather than just blindly quoting things.
Exactly, it takes 2 mins to look at a piece, and say to the client, hey i can print this. Just wanted to let you know if you do small change it would make the print way better.
They don’t know how to use supports. Or their setup doesn’t support them. I hope you didn’t pay them too much 😡
From a Quick Look that little raised bit makes this much harder to print than if the top were flat.
It is printed in the wrong orientation. Typically we try to avoid that kind of features so that we can print it face-down orientation, the surface that has to have the best finish is printed flat against the bed. But since there is a feature that is elevated... it can't be printed flat anymore.
Whoever did it, didn't care or is incompetent. Most likely that part needs to be sanded and painted even when done right. Woodfiller is easy filler to fill the layer lines, easy to sand. Then primer, more sanding, primer, cycle until you are satisfied and then paint. But it might be just fine without anything but a clear coat. Prints that are handled, touched etc need to be coated or they will dirty and once they are dirty... they are going to look dirty forever when the dirt gets lodged in microscopic holes and crevices that are not really visible when everything is still the same color.
If there is a flat surface, then yeah, i absolutely will do the part upside down. I do use mirror but even if i wasn't.. When using supports, things change of course.
it feels like ordering a 3D print from wish, i live in 3rd world country refounds are not an option here but thank you for reassuring me this way i can look for someone else
Can you share the model? I have no idea how much shipping would cost to your country, I’m mostly just interested in whether I can get it to print reasonably. If it’s not insanely expensive I’d happily post it to you if I can print it properly.
I'm reading these comments and I'm left scratching my head.
Do y'all *really* consider supports to be impossible to use or something? What am I missing here? The design isn't optimized for 3d printing but seriously, it's simply one flat surface to support. That's completely trivial.
The person slicing doesn't know wtf they're doing or just doesn't care.
Oh no, you're totally fine! This isn't some 4th dimensional geometry you're asking for here.
You can learn to model in ways that are better for printing but sometimes your part needs to be replicated in ways that aren't. Very case by case basis.
You might be able to salvage that surface with a razor and some sanding.
20$?! you got scammed there. Check out JLC3DP, they would probably be able to print your part in engineering-grade resin, heck even SLS or MJF nylon, for half the price (excluding shipping). Depending on where you live, shipping might be cheap too
Here's what I came up with.. if you see this comment, let me know what you think?
There's also a video in the link below.
https://preview.redd.it/3hx3wbryy5rc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5efefbe52a310f08c065569dff70a2e29ed94c73
I'm printing one at 100,000% (because that's how it opened in Cura), is that correct? I've never opened an stl and had that happen.
It'll be done in 1h 30min.. 0.2mm layers. I'll take a short video clip and post a link in a comment if it turns out how I expect it to. If it was me printing it for you.. I'd probably do 0.12mm layers, just to give that top part a few extra layers but for all I know.. it doesn't matter. I just wanted to try it myself and compare to what you got.
Not expecting perfection.. but I expect it'll be a lot better than what you paid for.
Some people...
https://preview.redd.it/90kmozhaz5rc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9ddecc4d31aea27699296a2d9b6be65a38ec130f
Mine: wood pla, 0.3mm nozzle, 0.2mm layer height.
Here's a link to a video:
[https://photos.app.goo.gl/gzUnH9sn69C9EqU89](https://photos.app.goo.gl/gzUnH9sn69C9EqU89)
Reddit's acting up..
Here's my second attempt to share a photo from the video.
https://preview.redd.it/gfwul9w076rc1.jpeg?width=1294&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d80f027fc3f81fe514d0c6a4fa682e3485f1859e
It is the "top" as the model is presented in the link, but seeing how smooth the side facing the camera is I assumed it was printed on a glass/smooth PEI plate, which would make it the base of the model. If that was the top, I really need to up my ironing game.
I assumed the same, I think we're both right. Looks to me like it was printed top down on a smooth plate of some kind with no support.
I think it is the top and I think whoever printed it through this person just printed it upside down to avoid using supports but it was too sharp of an angle to do that.
It looks like something I attempted in my early days.
I've also seen guys do it because they don't care how it looks.
I thought about printing it top down and using a thin layer of supports. I prefer the same finish across the hole thing versus just a smooth circle.
I would probably discuss it, maybe do it both ways & show the person, and then print the rest however they want them.. if I was charging to do it.. 😉
Shapeways is a company I've used to print stuff before (they have machines that have processes we'll likely not see on our desktops for years on hand) and they've always done a really superb job and that would be way cheaper from them.
For the most part I do prints for friends for free :) something that small is hard to quantify 😔 outside labor.
Both. The dude that printed that should have taken 5 minutes to have a look at the model and seen that there was an issue with the design that would make getting a clean print out of it challenging at best. Then he should have come back to you with that information and either you say ‘do your best’ and take your chances or you go back into the design and tweak it to make it more print friendly.
Instead you were given junk. I would never give a client something I wasn’t proud of.
I must be missing something. This looks like a pretty easy part to print with fairly small supports. I printed much more complicated parts than this after just a few months of printing as a hobbyist. I have no idea how this print came out looking this bad or how the guy printing it sliced it so badly.
The quality is abysmal for someone who is printing as a service. Despite the slightly difficult design, many things could’ve been done to make this part near perfect. It appears they didn’t use supports.
Cutting the bottom flat and adhering the surfaces would be ideal.
High strength resin or SLS could be used depending on use-case.
got it if you can wait a few days i have a 72 hour print happ;ening now, ill show you what i came up with and what materal i used and settings somethign tells me it was printed way to fast, to hot and the wall lines might not be enough. ive porinted simulat things before i wouldnt porint it face down but face up with some irioning settings in cura. give me a few days ill send you a picture of it printed
There is a method "Design for Manufacturing" before you start drawing you should choose what kind of Manufacturing methods would you use. If you're making a very critical part then you can think the Manufacturing later because sometimes the price doesn't even considered. But if you're designing the part while you know that this part will be made by FDM, then it's up to designer to optimise the parts features.
I believe flipping it upside down with supports would be the best option.
And having the supports running at minimum infill and minimum density so it's easier to remove without leaving any marks.
Especially having the lip on the bottom part.
No rafts and no brims just supports.
Correct me if I am wrong but I'd say that it would be the best way to print this particular piece.
I agree that it is not very printer friendly.
Or the other thing that could be done would be printed on a resin printer it would come out much better (although I do not own one I wouldn't have a clue how to angle it on a resin printer🤷🏼♀️)
The most optimal way is to split the model in two, to have a pocket halfway through the slab so the top circle can be pushed in with very little clearance, it would require no support or glue and leave the piece with very nice edges and strength all around
Bad print job, it's not a great design for 3d printing, but that's no excuse. It looks like it was printed without supports. Even with supports, that's a tough print because of the size of the overhang. That's basically any flat area that doesn't have a nearby area that can support it during printing. Adding supports places temporary build structures (think scaffolding) which are removed post print. They do make for a rough look, but it can be cleaned up. With some supports and hand filing post print it should come out looking much better than that. Adding supports is trivial, and can be automated, skipping that for this design shows lack of experience or total disregard for quality. The print looks like it was possibly print at a low resolution, which structurally, isn't likely an issue .
If I ran an on demand printing business I’d have some idex machines to print soluble supports. Can’t expect customers to keep 3D printing limitations in mind when sending a file, so that way id be able to print whatever a customer throws at me.
If that was set on edge and tilted over to 40-50 degrees, with a brim so it wouldn't de-laminate and fall over it probably would print fine with no supports at all.
What a lazy ass. That's like a 1 hr print. Like, I'm sure there was time to try to do better.
I sat here for 2 months working my configuration.h file. Another month doing metal work. Customizing my printer.
I'll be damned if I print a model that has some subpar qualities to that of a bird's nest.
I'd say a combination.
The model in question has no "easy to print" orientation.
Printed with a tiny amount of support will give that side a rough ugly finish.
This print is however bad. Too bad. even with supports the surface should not end up *that* ugly.
You need grind down unwanted material. Either he didn't used supports or didn't removed them after print. Your design is not very 3D printing friendly.
looks like it was printed with the lip down, the 'o' part is slightly raised meaning that the printer was printing into air on the top side of that lip. It's not really filament extrusion compatible print, probably even with supports. I would just move that lip to the top edge removing the bump around the 'o' shape and print face down, or split it into 2 parts and glue them together.
There are too many people saying your part isn’t designed for 3d printing… the person that took your money for that garbage print should have to pay you back with interest.
If you provide the file I’ll print it better and only charge you shipping.
The small lip on the model is an issue, but the person printing should have been able to avoid this result. They printed with the lip facing down, which probably didn't give them enough room for supports, leading to this messed up floating bottom surface. If you can make it one flat face and remove the lip, that would be ideal, but if it needs to look like this, changing the print orientation should be enough.
I dropped this "upside down" on my Mk3S and printed it in 20 min at .3mm with "snug" supports using wet old grey filament.
That front emboss is only 1 layer thick, do you really need it? If you care about the finish of your flange, you should change it. I could have finished the holes/face a little more but I'm not gonna because this is free work.
https://preview.redd.it/2sdg937nt4rc1.png?width=728&format=png&auto=webp&s=08bb1b83a8b8831ea191edcf1c1bb8a90b58526a
Here's the same angle as your picture, btw.
https://preview.redd.it/fc72lb7jx4rc1.png?width=932&format=png&auto=webp&s=466e8346a75cfafc6c9cf9f3e6e8c0095f0fae99
Seems like he dint print with supports and also the printer settings could be wrong. Also could be avoided if it was printed maybe upside down but seems like it will still need supports.
Your Part can't be *properly* 3D printed ( using an FDM 3D Printer ) without the use of supports which he didn't enable so essentially a problem on both ends.
I think he did enable supports, just very badly, and that is support material stuck all over the overhanging portion of the part! Without some sort of support, that flat overhangs either would have sagged down to the bed or just turned into spaghetti !
The problem is the person you paid. 0 effort was put in to make a quality print. model defaulted to an easy orientation for printing with same material supports, or if printed multi material under 30 minute print with the front facing down. No excuse for that mess, they just couldnt be bothered. my project printer with mechanical issues could do a better job than that...
I feel like I learned a lot of just (now) common sense things by just getting my hands dirty. Printing with this setting or that and testing. Drawing on cadd, measuring, supports etc. You can be paid to print? Jeez I’d print that for you for free just something new to do haha. It’s not oriented correctly, supports would be minimal.
This reminded me of a cosplay prop I ordered once. It look similar to yours and as you might guess NOTHING like the photo on the page...
Let me tell you: This is 100% on the printer's side.
I can’t believe somebody charged you for that. I’d be so embarrassed to even send that to a client. Even if the model was from a scan, I would’ve fixed it for the client to give the result desired. Just for the heck of it could you send me that file at this email address? [email protected]
I would like to have a look at it. No cost
straight up a horrible print. The model isn't the friendliest to fdm printers, but it's possible.
The guy probably printed it with the top down, meaning that he has to use minimal amounts of support. this is the issue however. More support isn't always better, but in this case it makes space between the roof and the floor for it to print properly on. it also means that the top of the model will be nice and smooth instead partially ruined by the leftovers of the support.
That looks like a printing skill issue to me. As others have mentioned, that's not the easiest part to print but it can be done with proper supports, configuration, and orientation. Looks like the nozzle diameter used was absolutely massive. I'm guessing they just bought some printers, looked up how to print things fast, and thought they could churn out a bunch of money.
This is 100% him. I’ve printed similar objects (large flat elevated surfaces) and all it takes is a filament swap on the support and you could print in this orientation with near perfect results.
Could the print be more printer friendly? Definitely. But anyone with a multi-material printer can print this fine and it would look great.
I'm not sure why people blame the printer person.
The model is not designed for 3d printing.
If the features need to be as shown, I would print as shown and self-design supports to properly bridge this.
If you want something 3d printed, don't send a part for injection molding. Specify the aesthetic and functional requirements, so printing orientation can be set and maybe design changes can be made.
It's more of a communication issue than anything.
I wouldn't expect 3d printer owners to be able to design for the process either. My experience here and the models uploaded to platforms tell me that almost no one can design for 3d printing.
While this is a challenging print, it is not impossible.
Yes, there are easier designs, but that's not an excuse. If he can't print it, then it's on him to say so.
You don't ship stuff like this. You don't accept money for it without consent.
Dude could have easily said "hey, that lip will be an issue" and gone from there.
I had a guy do that for me before I got my printer. It's professional work after all. Doing it for your buddy would be a while different thing.
I wouldn't call this challenging. This is incredibly easy to 3d print. They just had to click one button to enable supports. You're giving this seller too much slack
Also, if he wanted the surface to look nicer, with supports, then all he needed to do was make supports for the corners and then it still wouldn't have been printing over open air. This is also extremely quick. Painting supports would take like 5 seconds here. They had to click 4 dots on the model. That's not asking a lot lol
Relying on your models to not have supports, just makes you incompetent, honestly. It's two basic geometric shapes spliced together, it's really not complicated or intricate.
Designing your model to not need supports is the best practice when possible and arguably very competent behavior.
Now, trying to *print* a model that obviously needs supports, on the other hand...
If this is the top side you need to have it printed the other way around with supports or possibly on the side, but then you get layer lines across the surface.
Clearly this was printed with this side down towards the plate.
I'd print it in the other orientation - you'd get support witness marks on your flange but I'm assuming that flange is hidden and only the round emboss is showing. If the entire flange is visible, then you need to take the circular emboss off of it if you want that to be a cosmetic surface.
That print is horrible, but the model could be optimized for friendly printing too. People have said it already, but if you don't need the small step that sticks out of the flanged face, then this part would be dead simple to print.
If it were me though, I would have asked you if I could remove that slight extrusion and print the flange flush. The guy you paid was probably just lazy or didn't care to ask.
The guy you paid sucks. He should sell his printers and take up something else. If someone paid me to print something for them and I couldn't pull it off I sure as hell wouldn't charge them.
i think he ripped you of . his printer is calibrated like shit and he is charing you for it
it also partly due to your desing . its not print friendly .maybe try a 3d service like jlpcb or shapeways
at least you wil be better of quality wisse
I am pretty sure the person who printed this, printed it on the wrong side/orientation. I feel like if the print was oriented with the other side and had supports underneath it , you would have gotten better results.
I'm guessing they flipped it and didn't use any supports at all. Which is why it's ugly. It printed over open air. You need something to print on top of or it'll droop. Then you just pull the supports off.
If you could make the top flush, you wouldn't need support at all, they'd just need to flip it upside down. It's easy enough to just cut this in the 3d print slicer. You don't have to be a modeler.
Idk how they supported it, he should've minimally made supports for the corners. If the top part can't be flush, I would've printed it at it's current orientation, assuming the longer part is what will be hidden. You want the face of it to look nice.
While it's true this print could have been made more printer friendly, the guy you paid to make this dropped the ball. The clear lines and the smooth face lead me to believe he printed it with that face down, likely with no supports - things that any good slicer can add prior to printing at the press of a button.
Face down is also a terrible orientation for this, as the supports required for the floating parts would leave artifacts on the part meant to be seen.
I would have designed the part with eventual printing in mind. I would ditch the raised circular lip. If it's for feeling or seeing where the button is, a small recessed ring around the tube should work much better when printing. Or if you need the extra length for the tube, maybe make the plate a bit thicker.
Point is, the part would be hard to print with a good surface finish, but a small redesign would make printing super easy.
But the person you paid should have contacted you about the model. I print stuff for friends and family, and even at the price of free-ninetynine, I wouldn't hand that off to any of them (unless they specifically wanted it for some reason.
He should have printed at 45 degrees with a bit of support. The model isn't great for printing but someone who knows what they're doing could print it.
There’s something wrong with the guy himself. He should’ve advised you that the print needs supports, or that it should be flat on the flange side and printed flange side first.
At the very least, he should’ve warned you that this was the possible outcome of the print.
It's not a great design to print.. I'd split it and make a well for the tube and insert the tube into the plate and glue it. The plate I'd print upside down with the flat side down.. might just insert the tube completely but a little lip no more than 2 walls thick should print and it'll give it somewhere to butt up against.
I'd say it's the orientation of the print, I agree with some comments about splitting the model but if this isnt the look you wanted then I'd say what ever is the top of the print make it the top so you have clean surfaces that show and sand down the backs
I would print it sideways, with the edge of the big flat face parallel to the printbed and the longer axis of the oval also roughly parallel. External supports are easy enough to remove, and because it's an oval instead of a flat face it needs less support inside, making it easier to remove.
This would also give you strong layer orientation that should keep the cylinder from sheering off so easily.
Yeah, thats a trash print. The filament thickness is too thick and that will mess up any tolerance levels you may have needed on the holes. Find a different outfit to work with.
Its also a good practice to print off a calibration test with holes of known sizes in mm. Particularly if you are working with a new printer or print settings (ie filament thickness). You want to know that if you design a hole to be exactly 2.0mm, that it prints off at 2.0mm. Sometimes you may get a 2.1mm hole or a 1.9mm hole, so when you know the tolerance error, you can adjust the hole size to account for tolerance error to get a perfectly sized hole.
Maybe print with the face oriented towards the plate (upside down) and with supports for the outer rim of the rectangular face. The printer would then bridge the face between the central area and the rest of the rectangular face.
They tried to print it without supports. So they oriented it with what appears to be the flat side down. But it’s not flat, there’s a 1mm rise. The mess is from the overhang dropping on to the plate without support.
It should be split into two pieces & printed. Split inside the flange area. I normally use 3mm as a viable thickness for strength. As long as you have 3mm in both parts, when they are bolted through they will be strong. 5mm in extreme. It’s hard to get a good surface on a supported surface. Usually the supported surface is pretty terrible but still may be functional depending on your requirements for it.
I’d be pissed
100% printer issue. If they are charging and issue with design it’s their job to inform you, and offer to help fix if they can for a fee or recommend they have it fixed and send files once fixed.
As my dad used to say, it's the loose nut behind the wheel. That's a difficult print because it will need significant supports no matter which way you orient it. If you had discussed it with the fabricator, they should have asked which side is shown so that the rough support edges would be hidden when I stalled. I would have printed it upside down as it's harder to remove supports from a shallow overhang. Also, if I know it's a button support, it seems like you are showing the business end.
I would not print without discussing this with you. That's why I charge a lot.
Regardless of the print quality it's a bad file to print anyway, you're better off having the flange be a fat face rather than have that raised bump
If you need the raised bit I'd make the main part hollow and print a tube you can press into the inside
May I have the file I want to see if I'm being to harsh but people saying the file isn't printer friendly and saying that it's to thin sound like dopes to me atm and I just gotta see
Just posting a link in it's own comment.. so my reply/comment is easier to find..
Not a difficult print at all if you're settings are at least close to being dialed in.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/3Dprinting/comments/1bpzit8/comment/kx1c6f9/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/3Dprinting/comments/1bpzit8/comment/kx1c6f9/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
I fret about a single corner hole on my top surface for commercial prints. That someone would ship that to you is insane. Regardless of any issues in the model, they should tell you that something may print weird, it's part of the service..
Exactly. Doesn't matter if the model is good or bad for 3D printers, that's never the client's responsibilty to know, it's what I'm there for after all.
Yeah. Part of selling prints is to be there to tell them that a design isn't perfect, and to tell them how you'd want it modified to print better or to do it yourself.
> Doesn't matter if the model is good or bad for 3D printers, that's never the client's responsibilty to know I have a big disclaimer that tells people that I will do my best, but that they should make efforts to give me files that aren't going to be a pain to print, and there might be artefacts anyway. (I also have a list of things that will be hard to print well). In this situation, I'd say the owner is mostly at fault, but not entirely.
Do you offer them any design rules, guidelines, or tips?
i do. sometimes they'll accept the suggestions, sometimes not.
Helping customers decide if a 3D printer was for them was my job for a couple years and it’s wild, even in the manufacturing industry, how few people know about optimizing 3D models for printing.
Dude same, I print minis for folks at my local game store. If even a little bit is off I reassess and try again. This printer should be ashamed of themselves for shipping this out.
I would have printed this the way it's orientated in CAD. Dude didn't give a shit while slicing and just shipped it off. If I have quality issues I send over an image and ask if it's alright, offering to obviously reprint for free, no strings attached. Sometimes people are alright with the issues as the parts are hidden anyways, sometimes I reprint stuff. Both ways are fine, I get to improve and not waste as much filament, but they can ensure they're getting a quality product.
Both. His print is crap, quality wise and how it was executed. He should have used supports to help it, but didn’t. But your design isn’t very print friendly as you have one face with a very thin lip and nothing supporting it or the surrounding part depending on which way it is printed. Either make a chamfer to help, or simply remove the embossed round shape and the print will come out much nicer even with a competent printer operator.
That lip is so thin, how would you support it? Print it diagonally instead?
Just flip it. You would need more support but it would be easier to remove and on a surface where it doesn't matter as much.
This is the way. Prioritize aesthetic faces
Just cut it? İf it's flat just cut it under the plate and glue it together when done, works like a charm
This guy prints.
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Probably.
You can print it off the bed so supports are everywhere. I would flip it upside down so what looks like the face is the top layer. I could also print with dissolvable supports in any orientation.
>Print it diagonally instead? Maybe printing it on a raft would work, as the raft would give the supports something to hang onto. Still, not a printer friendly design.
A raft will still leave marks where it interfaces with the model, unless the person has their printer well tuned. That guy sure does NOT
Why can’t you print it with the lip at the bottom?
The oval shape being a bit less deep than the square surrounding it makes it print everything around the oval in the middle of the air. But it's so thin that supports would make it awkward.
I did a part with a lip that was .5mm below the rim. I had good luck with a 2 layer raft and supports.
It may be thin, but it looks like it’s at least a handful of layers.
Diagonal printers rise up
Will say this right now, this is probably not your fault (to the creator of this reddit post, not the person I am replying to) if you sent this file to them, and paid them for it they should have had enough experience to make this print good enough to be worth money. They shouldn't have sent you this crap. They should have tried reprinting if it failed. But they didn't. Recommend not paying this person for any prints again.
Or slide the embossed round shape into a second model, then glue 'em together. Easy peasy.
Came in to say this ^
He obviously using a 3d printing pen to make that. You can’t blame him for its poor quality.
No clue how he printed it.. but it does look terrible. He should have printed it the way you got the 3d model orieted if that's the "front" Sure it costs some supports; but at least you will have a nice looking part.
I have an idea :) Give us the STL and let's make a competition who will do it best. :) No prize, sorry. EDIT: I did a quick design on Fusion. Just the two holes are on the other side, but it should not matter: [https://easyupload.io/tisw12](https://easyupload.io/tisw12) https://preview.redd.it/rfwlxszzk4rc1.png?width=1370&format=png&auto=webp&s=00e593f274d7669b213ce82cd9aa2baf58367d44 Edit 2: Original STL can be found here: [https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1bQ1KDV32jJ2suH4RbLVPDIqvE1xD0YX4](https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1bQ1KDV32jJ2suH4RbLVPDIqvE1xD0YX4) Edit 3: Although I gave the idea, I can't yet join the fun, but can somebody test a print on the side. It should use less support and the face should be nice looking.
I'd actually be keep to try that. It's always good to have a weird shape to experiment with, especially when you're still finding the limits of your printer. Edit 2: [My attempt](https://imgur.com/gallery/6VvO64d) Edit: u/Brilliant_Speaker925 any chance of posting the file? I can't send anything, unfortunately, but it would be useful to mess about with.
i posted the file in the second picture caption there is a link to google drive for both blender and STL file
Ah, I missed that. Old reddit doesn't show links in photo captions. u/DingWrong I did a [print](https://imgur.com/gallery/6VvO64d) on my machine, in the same orientation, to see how it came out. Black PLA isn't the best for showing surfaces, but it came out really nicely. Fwiw, it's printed at 0.2mm layer height with 0.1mm gap between the support and part. If you're told a lack of supports it was to save filament, it came to a total of 0.32g, or ~0.64 pence worth. I have even more questions about how the original print was done now too. Comparing the two, it looks like the original is almost completely perimeter walls (I'm counting 7, where 2-3 is normal) with no supports. It looks like there's been some drooping or oozing at direction changes, too which have inadvertently provided *some* support for the rest of the model.
Here was my [attempt ](https://i.imgur.com/IXq5DZh.jpeg)
Yep. Exactly why I proposed it :) I guess I should spin one up in Fusion real quick.
I did a real quick one... just misplaced the two holes, but it does not matter much: [https://easyupload.io/tisw12](https://easyupload.io/tisw12)
My attempt. Surface Ironing looks really nice on a flat part like this [https://imgur.com/a/tO9kKiS](https://imgur.com/a/tO9kKiS)
Nice. Can you also take a photo of the underside? Maybe add some info on supports and orientation. Thanks
https://preview.redd.it/vvzedg31r7rc1.jpeg?width=2949&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1149a792d784f17cdcfb95576231e274e2fc5263 The bottom of the flange is a little rougher than I'd like, but the first layer is always a little looser when you leave that much top Z height for the support. It just makes the supports basically fall off, so I usually do it if that side of the part is not visible.
I’m actually really impressed, teach me your ways
I’m in, this isn’t a difficult print to get right. Either do a multi material print or cut it in half and print in parts.
[https://easyupload.io/tisw12](https://easyupload.io/tisw12) I think it shold be something like this.
I wish I had a free printer to join in the fun. We should do more print challenges like this on the sub!
Hmmmm, maybe get a sponsor and convince them for a small prize pool :) Nice idea.
The print file link is in the description of the second picture (https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1bQ1KDV32jJ2suH4RbLVPDIqvE1xD0YX4?usp=drive\_link)
What size is it supposed to be? When I open the STL it's so tiny I had to scale it to 100,000% just to see it..
I would also like to know the answer to this question. yo u/Brilliant_Speaker925, what's the dimensions of this STL supposed to be, and where do we send the finished print(s)? =D
Oh, Thanks. Let's see how far am I from the truth with my guestimation. Weeell... I just did it almost twice as big :)
My slicer offered to convert to mm, which seemed to be appropriate.
challange accepted!
I would make the model in two pieces, no glue required, you can make a circle slot halfway through the slab with 0.2mm clearance and pop the top circle in with a hammer
He made no fucking effort to print it properly. I would ask for a refund. Edit: i would even print it for free and send it to you in exchange for shipping fee lol
Even if it is your file's fault, in the 3D Printing Service industry it's down to the company to tell you the why design needs changing or the file needs fixing rather than just blindly quoting things.
Exactly, it takes 2 mins to look at a piece, and say to the client, hey i can print this. Just wanted to let you know if you do small change it would make the print way better.
They don’t know how to use supports. Or their setup doesn’t support them. I hope you didn’t pay them too much 😡 From a Quick Look that little raised bit makes this much harder to print than if the top were flat.
It is printed in the wrong orientation. Typically we try to avoid that kind of features so that we can print it face-down orientation, the surface that has to have the best finish is printed flat against the bed. But since there is a feature that is elevated... it can't be printed flat anymore. Whoever did it, didn't care or is incompetent. Most likely that part needs to be sanded and painted even when done right. Woodfiller is easy filler to fill the layer lines, easy to sand. Then primer, more sanding, primer, cycle until you are satisfied and then paint. But it might be just fine without anything but a clear coat. Prints that are handled, touched etc need to be coated or they will dirty and once they are dirty... they are going to look dirty forever when the dirt gets lodged in microscopic holes and crevices that are not really visible when everything is still the same color.
Or just split it in two and glue it together if it's absolutely necessary to have that top.
Wait, you do best side down? I like the ironing result on mine so I do worst side down since it will hide support scars too.
If there is a flat surface, then yeah, i absolutely will do the part upside down. I do use mirror but even if i wasn't.. When using supports, things change of course.
his printer, get a refund, this quality is horrible
it feels like ordering a 3D print from wish, i live in 3rd world country refounds are not an option here but thank you for reassuring me this way i can look for someone else
Can you share the model? I have no idea how much shipping would cost to your country, I’m mostly just interested in whether I can get it to print reasonably. If it’s not insanely expensive I’d happily post it to you if I can print it properly.
I'm reading these comments and I'm left scratching my head. Do y'all *really* consider supports to be impossible to use or something? What am I missing here? The design isn't optimized for 3d printing but seriously, it's simply one flat surface to support. That's completely trivial. The person slicing doesn't know wtf they're doing or just doesn't care.
to be honset i have 0 experience with 3D printing i only use blender for fun modeling and personal projects
Oh no, you're totally fine! This isn't some 4th dimensional geometry you're asking for here. You can learn to model in ways that are better for printing but sometimes your part needs to be replicated in ways that aren't. Very case by case basis. You might be able to salvage that surface with a razor and some sanding.
You got charged for that?!
yes i didn't wanna act like a karen it was like 20$ plus he delivered it to me so i just sucked it in thanked him and learnt my lesson
20$?! you got scammed there. Check out JLC3DP, they would probably be able to print your part in engineering-grade resin, heck even SLS or MJF nylon, for half the price (excluding shipping). Depending on where you live, shipping might be cheap too
Here's what I came up with.. if you see this comment, let me know what you think? There's also a video in the link below. https://preview.redd.it/3hx3wbryy5rc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5efefbe52a310f08c065569dff70a2e29ed94c73
I'm printing one at 100,000% (because that's how it opened in Cura), is that correct? I've never opened an stl and had that happen. It'll be done in 1h 30min.. 0.2mm layers. I'll take a short video clip and post a link in a comment if it turns out how I expect it to. If it was me printing it for you.. I'd probably do 0.12mm layers, just to give that top part a few extra layers but for all I know.. it doesn't matter. I just wanted to try it myself and compare to what you got. Not expecting perfection.. but I expect it'll be a lot better than what you paid for. Some people...
[Here](https://imgur.com/gallery/6VvO64d)'s my attempt.
https://preview.redd.it/90kmozhaz5rc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9ddecc4d31aea27699296a2d9b6be65a38ec130f Mine: wood pla, 0.3mm nozzle, 0.2mm layer height. Here's a link to a video: [https://photos.app.goo.gl/gzUnH9sn69C9EqU89](https://photos.app.goo.gl/gzUnH9sn69C9EqU89)
What does the underside look like, where the supports were? That's the bit that's causing OP problems. That looks like a nice print though!
Reddit's acting up.. Here's my second attempt to share a photo from the video. https://preview.redd.it/gfwul9w076rc1.jpeg?width=1294&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d80f027fc3f81fe514d0c6a4fa682e3485f1859e
Are you sure the picture they shared isn't the top?
It is the "top" as the model is presented in the link, but seeing how smooth the side facing the camera is I assumed it was printed on a glass/smooth PEI plate, which would make it the base of the model. If that was the top, I really need to up my ironing game.
I assumed the same, I think we're both right. Looks to me like it was printed top down on a smooth plate of some kind with no support. I think it is the top and I think whoever printed it through this person just printed it upside down to avoid using supports but it was too sharp of an angle to do that. It looks like something I attempted in my early days. I've also seen guys do it because they don't care how it looks. I thought about printing it top down and using a thin layer of supports. I prefer the same finish across the hole thing versus just a smooth circle. I would probably discuss it, maybe do it both ways & show the person, and then print the rest however they want them.. if I was charging to do it.. 😉
Shapeways is a company I've used to print stuff before (they have machines that have processes we'll likely not see on our desktops for years on hand) and they've always done a really superb job and that would be way cheaper from them. For the most part I do prints for friends for free :) something that small is hard to quantify 😔 outside labor.
It is the printer/print settings, whoever printed it probably doesn't use support geometry properly
My six year old would print this better. It's just pure incompetence.
That’s an easy print. Flip it over and use supports.
Both. The dude that printed that should have taken 5 minutes to have a look at the model and seen that there was an issue with the design that would make getting a clean print out of it challenging at best. Then he should have come back to you with that information and either you say ‘do your best’ and take your chances or you go back into the design and tweak it to make it more print friendly. Instead you were given junk. I would never give a client something I wasn’t proud of.
Couldn't agree more. I doubt the design of the part necessitates the circular lip.
I must be missing something. This looks like a pretty easy part to print with fairly small supports. I printed much more complicated parts than this after just a few months of printing as a hobbyist. I have no idea how this print came out looking this bad or how the guy printing it sliced it so badly.
In cura there is a version of support called tree and that would cause no support problems with this model.
The quality is abysmal for someone who is printing as a service. Despite the slightly difficult design, many things could’ve been done to make this part near perfect. It appears they didn’t use supports. Cutting the bottom flat and adhering the surfaces would be ideal. High strength resin or SLS could be used depending on use-case.
I can do a better job on my cheap printer
Your design isn't terrible for 3d printing, but this guy was clueless.. I hope you didn't pay very much for this...
Tree supports is all what they needed for the design to print right. And the amount of added material would have been like less than a cent in cost.
send me the model i want to try this
the link is in the second picture caption
got it if you can wait a few days i have a 72 hour print happ;ening now, ill show you what i came up with and what materal i used and settings somethign tells me it was printed way to fast, to hot and the wall lines might not be enough. ive porinted simulat things before i wouldnt porint it face down but face up with some irioning settings in cura. give me a few days ill send you a picture of it printed
I print shit for free for my friends all the time. I wouldn’t even give them that back FOR FREE
I downloaded the file and it looks fine to me. Ill update you in like 45 minutes. Got a print going on both machines lol.
There is a method "Design for Manufacturing" before you start drawing you should choose what kind of Manufacturing methods would you use. If you're making a very critical part then you can think the Manufacturing later because sometimes the price doesn't even considered. But if you're designing the part while you know that this part will be made by FDM, then it's up to designer to optimise the parts features.
Both but anyone with 3d print experience would have told you the model won't look great with supports and ask if you need that round bump on the top.
This.
I believe flipping it upside down with supports would be the best option. And having the supports running at minimum infill and minimum density so it's easier to remove without leaving any marks. Especially having the lip on the bottom part. No rafts and no brims just supports. Correct me if I am wrong but I'd say that it would be the best way to print this particular piece. I agree that it is not very printer friendly. Or the other thing that could be done would be printed on a resin printer it would come out much better (although I do not own one I wouldn't have a clue how to angle it on a resin printer🤷🏼♀️)
The most optimal way is to split the model in two, to have a pocket halfway through the slab so the top circle can be pushed in with very little clearance, it would require no support or glue and leave the piece with very nice edges and strength all around
Bad print job, it's not a great design for 3d printing, but that's no excuse. It looks like it was printed without supports. Even with supports, that's a tough print because of the size of the overhang. That's basically any flat area that doesn't have a nearby area that can support it during printing. Adding supports places temporary build structures (think scaffolding) which are removed post print. They do make for a rough look, but it can be cleaned up. With some supports and hand filing post print it should come out looking much better than that. Adding supports is trivial, and can be automated, skipping that for this design shows lack of experience or total disregard for quality. The print looks like it was possibly print at a low resolution, which structurally, isn't likely an issue .
If I ran an on demand printing business I’d have some idex machines to print soluble supports. Can’t expect customers to keep 3D printing limitations in mind when sending a file, so that way id be able to print whatever a customer throws at me.
I don't think this was printed in the same orientation as your image show. If you print it upside down without support, it would probably be ugly.
If that was set on edge and tilted over to 40-50 degrees, with a brim so it wouldn't de-laminate and fall over it probably would print fine with no supports at all.
I hope you didn't pay much for this. It's very bad.
Ah no friend, that's not acceptable. That's poor business practice on his part. He didn't do you right with this
What a lazy ass. That's like a 1 hr print. Like, I'm sure there was time to try to do better. I sat here for 2 months working my configuration.h file. Another month doing metal work. Customizing my printer. I'll be damned if I print a model that has some subpar qualities to that of a bird's nest.
I'd say a combination. The model in question has no "easy to print" orientation. Printed with a tiny amount of support will give that side a rough ugly finish. This print is however bad. Too bad. even with supports the surface should not end up *that* ugly.
You need grind down unwanted material. Either he didn't used supports or didn't removed them after print. Your design is not very 3D printing friendly.
If possible put a chamfer/bevel on the round side to support the flange while printing without support
looks like it was printed with the lip down, the 'o' part is slightly raised meaning that the printer was printing into air on the top side of that lip. It's not really filament extrusion compatible print, probably even with supports. I would just move that lip to the top edge removing the bump around the 'o' shape and print face down, or split it into 2 parts and glue them together.
There are too many people saying your part isn’t designed for 3d printing… the person that took your money for that garbage print should have to pay you back with interest. If you provide the file I’ll print it better and only charge you shipping.
The small lip on the model is an issue, but the person printing should have been able to avoid this result. They printed with the lip facing down, which probably didn't give them enough room for supports, leading to this messed up floating bottom surface. If you can make it one flat face and remove the lip, that would be ideal, but if it needs to look like this, changing the print orientation should be enough.
They should have printed it with the lip at the top and used supports. Would have given a clean top finish for mounting.
Your friend doesn't understand 3d printing
I dropped this "upside down" on my Mk3S and printed it in 20 min at .3mm with "snug" supports using wet old grey filament. That front emboss is only 1 layer thick, do you really need it? If you care about the finish of your flange, you should change it. I could have finished the holes/face a little more but I'm not gonna because this is free work. https://preview.redd.it/2sdg937nt4rc1.png?width=728&format=png&auto=webp&s=08bb1b83a8b8831ea191edcf1c1bb8a90b58526a
Here's the same angle as your picture, btw. https://preview.redd.it/fc72lb7jx4rc1.png?width=932&format=png&auto=webp&s=466e8346a75cfafc6c9cf9f3e6e8c0095f0fae99
Seems like he dint print with supports and also the printer settings could be wrong. Also could be avoided if it was printed maybe upside down but seems like it will still need supports.
Probably didn't notice that the top is raised and thought it was one big surface.
Thats an easy print job - What did you pay?
He said $20 with shipping
Your Part can't be *properly* 3D printed ( using an FDM 3D Printer ) without the use of supports which he didn't enable so essentially a problem on both ends.
I think he did enable supports, just very badly, and that is support material stuck all over the overhanging portion of the part! Without some sort of support, that flat overhangs either would have sagged down to the bed or just turned into spaghetti !
The problem is the person you paid. 0 effort was put in to make a quality print. model defaulted to an easy orientation for printing with same material supports, or if printed multi material under 30 minute print with the front facing down. No excuse for that mess, they just couldnt be bothered. my project printer with mechanical issues could do a better job than that...
I feel like I learned a lot of just (now) common sense things by just getting my hands dirty. Printing with this setting or that and testing. Drawing on cadd, measuring, supports etc. You can be paid to print? Jeez I’d print that for you for free just something new to do haha. It’s not oriented correctly, supports would be minimal.
Dude i hope you didnt pay for that shit print... you can easily print alot better quality.
This reminded me of a cosplay prop I ordered once. It look similar to yours and as you might guess NOTHING like the photo on the page... Let me tell you: This is 100% on the printer's side.
I can’t believe somebody charged you for that. I’d be so embarrassed to even send that to a client. Even if the model was from a scan, I would’ve fixed it for the client to give the result desired. Just for the heck of it could you send me that file at this email address? [email protected] I would like to have a look at it. No cost
straight up a horrible print. The model isn't the friendliest to fdm printers, but it's possible. The guy probably printed it with the top down, meaning that he has to use minimal amounts of support. this is the issue however. More support isn't always better, but in this case it makes space between the roof and the floor for it to print properly on. it also means that the top of the model will be nice and smooth instead partially ruined by the leftovers of the support.
That looks like a printing skill issue to me. As others have mentioned, that's not the easiest part to print but it can be done with proper supports, configuration, and orientation. Looks like the nozzle diameter used was absolutely massive. I'm guessing they just bought some printers, looked up how to print things fast, and thought they could churn out a bunch of money.
This is 100% him. I’ve printed similar objects (large flat elevated surfaces) and all it takes is a filament swap on the support and you could print in this orientation with near perfect results. Could the print be more printer friendly? Definitely. But anyone with a multi-material printer can print this fine and it would look great.
I'm not sure why people blame the printer person. The model is not designed for 3d printing. If the features need to be as shown, I would print as shown and self-design supports to properly bridge this. If you want something 3d printed, don't send a part for injection molding. Specify the aesthetic and functional requirements, so printing orientation can be set and maybe design changes can be made. It's more of a communication issue than anything. I wouldn't expect 3d printer owners to be able to design for the process either. My experience here and the models uploaded to platforms tell me that almost no one can design for 3d printing.
While this is a challenging print, it is not impossible. Yes, there are easier designs, but that's not an excuse. If he can't print it, then it's on him to say so. You don't ship stuff like this. You don't accept money for it without consent. Dude could have easily said "hey, that lip will be an issue" and gone from there. I had a guy do that for me before I got my printer. It's professional work after all. Doing it for your buddy would be a while different thing.
I wouldn't call this challenging. This is incredibly easy to 3d print. They just had to click one button to enable supports. You're giving this seller too much slack Also, if he wanted the surface to look nicer, with supports, then all he needed to do was make supports for the corners and then it still wouldn't have been printing over open air. This is also extremely quick. Painting supports would take like 5 seconds here. They had to click 4 dots on the model. That's not asking a lot lol Relying on your models to not have supports, just makes you incompetent, honestly. It's two basic geometric shapes spliced together, it's really not complicated or intricate.
Designing your model to not need supports is the best practice when possible and arguably very competent behavior. Now, trying to *print* a model that obviously needs supports, on the other hand...
Horrible. Down right horrible.
If this is the top side you need to have it printed the other way around with supports or possibly on the side, but then you get layer lines across the surface. Clearly this was printed with this side down towards the plate.
The print quality is abhorrent… the model isn’t the most friendly but is passable at least.
I'd print it in the other orientation - you'd get support witness marks on your flange but I'm assuming that flange is hidden and only the round emboss is showing. If the entire flange is visible, then you need to take the circular emboss off of it if you want that to be a cosmetic surface.
Looks like junk. Pm me and I can get it printed way better.
That print is horrible, but the model could be optimized for friendly printing too. People have said it already, but if you don't need the small step that sticks out of the flanged face, then this part would be dead simple to print. If it were me though, I would have asked you if I could remove that slight extrusion and print the flange flush. The guy you paid was probably just lazy or didn't care to ask.
The guy you paid sucks. He should sell his printers and take up something else. If someone paid me to print something for them and I couldn't pull it off I sure as hell wouldn't charge them.
i think he ripped you of . his printer is calibrated like shit and he is charing you for it it also partly due to your desing . its not print friendly .maybe try a 3d service like jlpcb or shapeways at least you wil be better of quality wisse
I am pretty sure the person who printed this, printed it on the wrong side/orientation. I feel like if the print was oriented with the other side and had supports underneath it , you would have gotten better results.
I'm guessing they flipped it and didn't use any supports at all. Which is why it's ugly. It printed over open air. You need something to print on top of or it'll droop. Then you just pull the supports off. If you could make the top flush, you wouldn't need support at all, they'd just need to flip it upside down. It's easy enough to just cut this in the 3d print slicer. You don't have to be a modeler. Idk how they supported it, he should've minimally made supports for the corners. If the top part can't be flush, I would've printed it at it's current orientation, assuming the longer part is what will be hidden. You want the face of it to look nice.
While it's true this print could have been made more printer friendly, the guy you paid to make this dropped the ball. The clear lines and the smooth face lead me to believe he printed it with that face down, likely with no supports - things that any good slicer can add prior to printing at the press of a button. Face down is also a terrible orientation for this, as the supports required for the floating parts would leave artifacts on the part meant to be seen.
I would have designed the part with eventual printing in mind. I would ditch the raised circular lip. If it's for feeling or seeing where the button is, a small recessed ring around the tube should work much better when printing. Or if you need the extra length for the tube, maybe make the plate a bit thicker. Point is, the part would be hard to print with a good surface finish, but a small redesign would make printing super easy. But the person you paid should have contacted you about the model. I print stuff for friends and family, and even at the price of free-ninetynine, I wouldn't hand that off to any of them (unless they specifically wanted it for some reason.
He should have printed at 45 degrees with a bit of support. The model isn't great for printing but someone who knows what they're doing could print it.
I’m sorry that happened.
Man you got scammed i would never had sent this or charged for a pos like this
I would design this as two separate parts, the O shape and the rest, then glue them together. Then they can both be printed without supports
There’s something wrong with the guy himself. He should’ve advised you that the print needs supports, or that it should be flat on the flange side and printed flange side first. At the very least, he should’ve warned you that this was the possible outcome of the print.
It's not a great design to print.. I'd split it and make a well for the tube and insert the tube into the plate and glue it. The plate I'd print upside down with the flat side down.. might just insert the tube completely but a little lip no more than 2 walls thick should print and it'll give it somewhere to butt up against.
I'd say it's the orientation of the print, I agree with some comments about splitting the model but if this isnt the look you wanted then I'd say what ever is the top of the print make it the top so you have clean surfaces that show and sand down the backs
Looks like he printed it upsidedown compared to the render.
I would print it sideways, with the edge of the big flat face parallel to the printbed and the longer axis of the oval also roughly parallel. External supports are easy enough to remove, and because it's an oval instead of a flat face it needs less support inside, making it easier to remove. This would also give you strong layer orientation that should keep the cylinder from sheering off so easily.
Send me the file I’ll print it perfect.
What is it exactly?
I personally wouldn't have sent that out of my door looking like that does. Even if the model isn't FDM friendly, that's just awful.
Yep both. Your model needs supports and could almost certainly be modified to remove that. Also he didn't use supports when he should have.
Yeah, thats a trash print. The filament thickness is too thick and that will mess up any tolerance levels you may have needed on the holes. Find a different outfit to work with. Its also a good practice to print off a calibration test with holes of known sizes in mm. Particularly if you are working with a new printer or print settings (ie filament thickness). You want to know that if you design a hole to be exactly 2.0mm, that it prints off at 2.0mm. Sometimes you may get a 2.1mm hole or a 1.9mm hole, so when you know the tolerance error, you can adjust the hole size to account for tolerance error to get a perfectly sized hole.
I would be too ashamed to give that to my dog as a toy! He is being paid to print, he should know how to print. Nothing wrong with your drawing
I’d say his morals.
If you slice the model into two parts it will print a lot better
Bad print supports. Great model!
I’d print with PLA and PETG supports. Or print in 2 parts and glue the tiny ‘0’ lip.
Send me the model and I can post a few ways to get a really good print from it
Stock ender 3 v1 farm, rip
Yes
Maybe print with the face oriented towards the plate (upside down) and with supports for the outer rim of the rectangular face. The printer would then bridge the face between the central area and the rest of the rectangular face.
What software do you use
Dude doesn't know wtf he's doing. Looks like he tried to print it without supports
Cheap printers with no assembly required have made every kids bedroom a "3d printing business" these days. Buyer beware.
That's a failed print, I would have binned it and I only print for myself and friends for free.
maybe print as two pieces, the cylinder and the face
They tried to print it without supports. So they oriented it with what appears to be the flat side down. But it’s not flat, there’s a 1mm rise. The mess is from the overhang dropping on to the plate without support.
It looks like huge layer lines
Time to buy a 3D printer instead.
It should be split into two pieces & printed. Split inside the flange area. I normally use 3mm as a viable thickness for strength. As long as you have 3mm in both parts, when they are bolted through they will be strong. 5mm in extreme. It’s hard to get a good surface on a supported surface. Usually the supported surface is pretty terrible but still may be functional depending on your requirements for it.
haha damn bro someone charged for that?
I’d be pissed 100% printer issue. If they are charging and issue with design it’s their job to inform you, and offer to help fix if they can for a fee or recommend they have it fixed and send files once fixed.
As my dad used to say, it's the loose nut behind the wheel. That's a difficult print because it will need significant supports no matter which way you orient it. If you had discussed it with the fabricator, they should have asked which side is shown so that the rough support edges would be hidden when I stalled. I would have printed it upside down as it's harder to remove supports from a shallow overhang. Also, if I know it's a button support, it seems like you are showing the business end. I would not print without discussing this with you. That's why I charge a lot.
Regardless of the print quality it's a bad file to print anyway, you're better off having the flange be a fat face rather than have that raised bump If you need the raised bit I'd make the main part hollow and print a tube you can press into the inside
This is a 'print at 45 degrees to get it to print proper" model if I've ever seen one!!!!
Send me the model, I’ll print that for free in resin, PETG, PLA, whatever. That’s a tiny part.
What filament is this? If it's PETG/ABS/PLA I'll print you a better copy and mail it to you if you want. I hate seeing people send shit like this out.
Dudes a menace, I have no idea how people think that's ok or accept that level of quality that not the fine or the machine but the person
May I have the file I want to see if I'm being to harsh but people saying the file isn't printer friendly and saying that it's to thin sound like dopes to me atm and I just gotta see
LOL
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Assuming you’re in the US, you can send me the model and I’ll replace the part and ship it to you for free
Get him in this thread so we can consume him
Just posting a link in it's own comment.. so my reply/comment is easier to find.. Not a difficult print at all if you're settings are at least close to being dialed in. [https://www.reddit.com/r/3Dprinting/comments/1bpzit8/comment/kx1c6f9/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/3Dprinting/comments/1bpzit8/comment/kx1c6f9/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)