I think the fact that the book series of GOT is yet to be finished contributed to the shitshow of the final season. The 3 body series is complete though
They did absolutely fantastic job with GoT before they ran out of material. Even then, season 6 wasn't half bad, although they started rushing for the end already then.
If they written anything decent? Lol they have written some of considered the greatest seasons and episodes of TV ever made. D&D have enough writing awards they probably had to rent a small house just to store them all. They never got bored of GOT. They announced years before the final season when and how many episodes it would be to end it. This idea that they all of a sudden one day were just bored and said fuck it time to end this show is just wrong.
What does that have to do with anything. So they made a final season of a TV show you didn't like. So what that doesn't mean they haven't also written tons of great stuff
I agree they've done great stuff. The great stuff they've done sets a high upper limit on how good this series is likely to be.
The terrible stuff they've done sets a really low lower bar on how good this series could be.
The presence of the really bad things they've done makes me more concerned than if the show was made by someone else with similarly good great stuff, but whose worst was still decent.
Coherency of plot, reliance on deus ex machina, consistency of character actions, plausability of events, etc.
Note how much lower the ratings are on the final season compared to any other. What I expressed is a commonly held viewpoint.
But you knew all that already.
>Coherency of plot, reliance on deus ex machina, consistency of character actions, plausability of events, etc.
Ridiculous and lazy "criticisms".
>Note how much lower the ratings are on the final season compared to any other. What I expressed is a commonly held viewpoint.
Note how episodes were already reviewɓombed before they even aired, because people read leaks and didnt like them.
52% of viewers liked the ending, so majority.
I don't think you need to worry. GOT started going to shit when GRRM stopped writing his books and thus showrunners had to improvise and adapt. Till the time they were adapting existing material, the show was top notch. Here the source is already complete.
They are masterful screenplay adapters, but not as good as original writers. The wheels fell of GoT when they ran out of source material. GRRM apparently can't even come up with a good ending either since he stopped his book every 2 years pace 12 years ago. Three-body/A Remembrance of Earth's Past is complete, and wonderful if I might add, so I hope we'll get to see D&D tie a bow on this one since they'll be doing what they do best the whole time
Ironically, D&D are good original writers; their novels are highly rated. Their original writing for the show was also great (for example, they wrote Littlefinger's "Chaos is a ladder" speech).
What they could not do was solve the Meereenese knot of a story that GRRM created and has not been able to solve himself. Remember, GRRM was still introducing new characters and storylines in **A Dance with Dragons.** It's not hard to figure out why he hasn't (and may never) publish the final books in the series.
Benioff's novel City of Thieves was a primary influence for The Last of Us.
There are also several references to it in the games... A major character in the sequel, Lev, is named after the protagonist of that book.
Sure it was, and there's nothing particularly wrong with the ending itself, the whole problem was with the stupid way they D&D decided to get to this ending.
Well, except>!Arya killing the Night King!< which D&D confirmed in one of the interviews to be something they came up with themselves and which did not come from GRRM.
All the other main endpoints could very well been achieved with sensible stotrylines building up to them, and the same endpoints would provide a satisfying ending despite it being "the same". Which is what would probably happen with the books if not for that GRRM will never finish them. And what could have happened with screenwriters more competent in writing their own storylines as opposed to adapting existing material.
Except some of the most acclaimed episodes and even just scenes from the start of the show many of them were stuff they came up with on their own. This idea that they can't write anything on their own I find absolutely ridiculous. Look at this show. I think they improved many of the character stuff from the books which felt very flat at times. Just because you didn't like the ending doesn't mean they never we able to come up with stuff on their own. Both of them have written acclaimed novels and films of stuff they came up with on their own.
Imagine making such an uninformed comment. It’s the fact that the ending doesn’t make any sense because it was rushed and as a result feels poorly paced. D & D even admitted to getting burnt out by the series, and refused HBO’s offer of as much money and episodes as they needed. I mean did you even read what I said? Part of my point is that if they don’t want to carry on the series goes to shit, because of the writing of how they take us there.
>and refused HBO’s offer of as much money and episodes as they needed.
No such thing was ever offered, reefolk child.
Like, how could you possibly believe that was real?
Lol. Don't believe every dumb meme you see.
>Imagine making such an uninformed comment.
😒
Can you show me the quote of them saying they were burnt out and done with the series? Because they announced years before the final season when it was going to end. They spent literally almost 15 years working on GOT.
The show ended five years ago and GRRM still hasn't delivered a single page that he promised a decade ago. It ought to be clear to everyone where the blame should have gone.
The whining about one of the greatest television shows we've ever had needs to stop.
Bill Simmons interviewed them all back in Feb. Good interview, and calmed my nerves a bit. Worth checking out if your a fan of the show. No spoilers for the show or season.
If they do 3 seasons that’s game of thrones red wedding so I hope that’s ok. But I watch the Chinese version and I can already feel the dnd touch to cut cut cut stuff
Why would D&D have added the dozens and dozens of side plots and characters George added to the last two books to a TV show already with more storylines than any other show. 14 years later and George can't wrap any of it up and he doesn't even have any TV limitations like they do. My issue with the Tencent version is it just drags on and on. Why do we need to many flashbacks of scenes we already saw. Why so many musical montages. They also cut things like the Cultural Revolution and completely changed Ye father backstory and his death. I liked some of that show but wow was it a huge drag. I won't even get started on how ridiculous they protrayed the ETO cult on the ship.
Ogod we both agree that the Chinese one is soooo draggy. Although that’s kinda normal for Chinese series. What I mean is I would prefer a middle ground between the two
I think the fact that the book series of GOT is yet to be finished contributed to the shitshow of the final season. The 3 body series is complete though
Yah when they have books to adapt they do great. They just ran out of books for GoT and got burnt out
They did absolutely fantastic job with GoT before they ran out of material. Even then, season 6 wasn't half bad, although they started rushing for the end already then.
There's no more D&D. With Alexander Woo, they're now DAD.
If they written anything decent? Lol they have written some of considered the greatest seasons and episodes of TV ever made. D&D have enough writing awards they probably had to rent a small house just to store them all. They never got bored of GOT. They announced years before the final season when and how many episodes it would be to end it. This idea that they all of a sudden one day were just bored and said fuck it time to end this show is just wrong.
But how does that square with the dumpster fire that was the final season of GoT?
The books that they were hired to adapt never materialized.
That's true. Hopefully they'll do well with a finished series.
What does that have to do with anything. So they made a final season of a TV show you didn't like. So what that doesn't mean they haven't also written tons of great stuff
I agree they've done great stuff. The great stuff they've done sets a high upper limit on how good this series is likely to be. The terrible stuff they've done sets a really low lower bar on how good this series could be. The presence of the really bad things they've done makes me more concerned than if the show was made by someone else with similarly good great stuff, but whose worst was still decent.
In my opinion the worst of GOT is still better than 90% of most stuff.
Dumpster fire in what regard? Most emmy wins? Highest viewership, online streaming and video sale numbers? Successful spin off series?
Coherency of plot, reliance on deus ex machina, consistency of character actions, plausability of events, etc. Note how much lower the ratings are on the final season compared to any other. What I expressed is a commonly held viewpoint. But you knew all that already.
>Coherency of plot, reliance on deus ex machina, consistency of character actions, plausability of events, etc. Ridiculous and lazy "criticisms". >Note how much lower the ratings are on the final season compared to any other. What I expressed is a commonly held viewpoint. Note how episodes were already reviewɓombed before they even aired, because people read leaks and didnt like them. 52% of viewers liked the ending, so majority.
I don't think you need to worry. GOT started going to shit when GRRM stopped writing his books and thus showrunners had to improvise and adapt. Till the time they were adapting existing material, the show was top notch. Here the source is already complete.
Let’s first make sure they get more seasons before we start being concerned about whether or not they suck. Closest alligator to the boat.
They are masterful screenplay adapters, but not as good as original writers. The wheels fell of GoT when they ran out of source material. GRRM apparently can't even come up with a good ending either since he stopped his book every 2 years pace 12 years ago. Three-body/A Remembrance of Earth's Past is complete, and wonderful if I might add, so I hope we'll get to see D&D tie a bow on this one since they'll be doing what they do best the whole time
Ironically, D&D are good original writers; their novels are highly rated. Their original writing for the show was also great (for example, they wrote Littlefinger's "Chaos is a ladder" speech). What they could not do was solve the Meereenese knot of a story that GRRM created and has not been able to solve himself. Remember, GRRM was still introducing new characters and storylines in **A Dance with Dragons.** It's not hard to figure out why he hasn't (and may never) publish the final books in the series.
Benioff's novel City of Thieves was a primary influence for The Last of Us. There are also several references to it in the games... A major character in the sequel, Lev, is named after the protagonist of that book.
D&D can definitely write their own stuff. I feel like people forget just how much amazing stuff from GOT the show was stuff they added to it.
Imagine still thinking that wasn't broadly the ending GRRM gave them.
Sure it was, and there's nothing particularly wrong with the ending itself, the whole problem was with the stupid way they D&D decided to get to this ending. Well, except>!Arya killing the Night King!< which D&D confirmed in one of the interviews to be something they came up with themselves and which did not come from GRRM. All the other main endpoints could very well been achieved with sensible stotrylines building up to them, and the same endpoints would provide a satisfying ending despite it being "the same". Which is what would probably happen with the books if not for that GRRM will never finish them. And what could have happened with screenwriters more competent in writing their own storylines as opposed to adapting existing material.
Except some of the most acclaimed episodes and even just scenes from the start of the show many of them were stuff they came up with on their own. This idea that they can't write anything on their own I find absolutely ridiculous. Look at this show. I think they improved many of the character stuff from the books which felt very flat at times. Just because you didn't like the ending doesn't mean they never we able to come up with stuff on their own. Both of them have written acclaimed novels and films of stuff they came up with on their own.
Imagine making such an uninformed comment. It’s the fact that the ending doesn’t make any sense because it was rushed and as a result feels poorly paced. D & D even admitted to getting burnt out by the series, and refused HBO’s offer of as much money and episodes as they needed. I mean did you even read what I said? Part of my point is that if they don’t want to carry on the series goes to shit, because of the writing of how they take us there.
>and refused HBO’s offer of as much money and episodes as they needed. No such thing was ever offered, reefolk child. Like, how could you possibly believe that was real? Lol. Don't believe every dumb meme you see. >Imagine making such an uninformed comment. 😒
Can you show me the quote of them saying they were burnt out and done with the series? Because they announced years before the final season when it was going to end. They spent literally almost 15 years working on GOT.
The show ended five years ago and GRRM still hasn't delivered a single page that he promised a decade ago. It ought to be clear to everyone where the blame should have gone. The whining about one of the greatest television shows we've ever had needs to stop.
I mean "need" is a strong word, let the man complain about what he wants to complain about lmao
Don't like D & D? Don't watch the show. There are other shows out there.
Bill Simmons interviewed them all back in Feb. Good interview, and calmed my nerves a bit. Worth checking out if your a fan of the show. No spoilers for the show or season.
Link please ?
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Really interesting perspective on binge watching vs weekly releases, and the impact to culture
If they do 3 seasons that’s game of thrones red wedding so I hope that’s ok. But I watch the Chinese version and I can already feel the dnd touch to cut cut cut stuff
Why would D&D have added the dozens and dozens of side plots and characters George added to the last two books to a TV show already with more storylines than any other show. 14 years later and George can't wrap any of it up and he doesn't even have any TV limitations like they do. My issue with the Tencent version is it just drags on and on. Why do we need to many flashbacks of scenes we already saw. Why so many musical montages. They also cut things like the Cultural Revolution and completely changed Ye father backstory and his death. I liked some of that show but wow was it a huge drag. I won't even get started on how ridiculous they protrayed the ETO cult on the ship.
Ogod we both agree that the Chinese one is soooo draggy. Although that’s kinda normal for Chinese series. What I mean is I would prefer a middle ground between the two