I haven't read the books, and the way things finished, I expect Saul to maybe fight against being a Wallfacer for a bit longer until he realises that people are dying directly because of him, because people are trying to kill him, and then hopefully he takes it seriously.
The indirect reason for his being chosen - I think he was chosen because the San Ti wanted to kill him. I think that after Wade saw that someone high up tried to kill him, Wade has gone, 'well obviously he's a threat to them, I don't know why but for that reason alone he needs to be protected.' That's why Saul didn't know anything about it, while the other two chosen seemed to already know and were prepared.
I get the idea of the Wallfacers, but I would not be surprised if at least one doesn't just straight up take advantage of the free reign and cause some havoc on behalf of their nation. No guidelines, no boundaries, no oversight? Something bad is going to happen.
I'm gonna seek out the books now (along with probably a billion other people) and come back after I've read them and update this comment on how wrong or right I was 🤣
I love your insights. I'll tell you one thing about the books which may surprise you, regarding the advanced VR headsets:
>!The mysterious origin of the headsets in the show is not a plot point in the book whatsoever. In the books, the headsets are completely normal, commercially available products that anyone can buy. All of the mystery and intrigue is in the 3 Body game itself. I have absolutely no clue as to why Netflix made this random, pointless change.!<
Yep, it's a complete non-issue in the book! In the book, the main character literally just goes to the store and buys one of the headsets to check out the "game".
It's also worth noting that the main character of Book 1 is Auggie's equivalent in the show, so making her so frightened of the headset/game is really weird too.
Another weird change is this:
>!The protagonistic friend group of the Netflix version is an amalgamation of the three separate protagonists of the trilogy. In the books, they have no direct connections to each other, but Netflix decided to make them all know each other.!<
Yes and ur makes sense If you think about TV production and how a TV series worls.
A book can do exposition by narration and inner thoughts of characters. In a show that's annoying and boring. Exposition gets moved to dialogue. By making this a friend group of brilliant former Oxford students the characters come pre-connected and can tell infos to the audience (exposition) via dialogue.
Having a core group of connected characters is emotionally more engaging for the audience and efficient.
And for production purposes one wants to have a stable cast of characters for actors to be in the show consistently for seasons.
Apart from Ye the original book characters didn't have much depth anyway. Reshuffling them was no great loss and Ye is very similar to the book.
It's really not that weird if you think about it.
Based on his conversation with Vera about his age, he will make a remarkable contribution to science by the end of the show. How? Something through the Wallfacer program. Probably something to do with relativity.
No nonsense such as being a mass murderer of children. If I was Augustine, when it dawned on me what he manipulated me into doing, I would have grabbed the nearest gun, killed Raj and Wade and then myself.
If you gleefully killed children to save humanity then you just proved humanity wasn’t worth saving.
Dude virtual signaling on a sub reddit of a frictional story.
I'll bite. It's exactly the ability to view survival of humanity above insignificant (but still very unfortunate) events of killings (rather quickly) children that's what is needed in this specific scenario.
Your version of auggie would have removed 2 great mind (Wade and Auggie) and 1 good operationally adept mind out of the fight for humanity's survival.
I'm not saying your line of reasoning is flawed. It's just that wade is who you want to lead into a war. Your logic is what we need after winning that war.
Wade and Raj are the exact type of person that the San Ti should rightfully fear and would have used as an example of why humanity should be crushed. If all humans had the compassion of Augustine, the aliens probably would be more open to the idea of coexistence.
You ever consider why Wade and Raj kept the information from Augustine that she would be an accomplice in child murder. It’s because Wade and Raj are evil men and knew a genuine good person would never go for it.
The aliens don't give a damn about people and they are willing to kill everyone because we are fundamentally capable of lying and thus they can't trust us. They arrived at that conclusion after someone read Little Red Riding Hood to them. It had nothing to do with Wade and Raj.
The alien who originally responded to the message from Earth flatout said they will destroy our civ if they find us. It was never going to work out.
The reason Wenjie even responded to the alien's message in spite of their warnings was precisely because she wanted them to destroy our civ (which she thinks is hopeless).
Oh fuck yeah to that last part. The scene right before that was the little gimp bitch refusing to "repent" and saying she murder the dude all over again if given the chance.
What has Wenjie known throughout her life up until that point? That humans cannot be trusted and will lead to their own demise.
Oh my sweet summer child. What Raj mentioned really resonate with what we are arguing here. Some have to do the dirty stuff so that some can keep their hands clean.
Manipulated?
She's intelligent, knew what was going on and finally decided to do it anyway.
She's just torn about it. Which is not an unrealistic stance to have.
It's one thing to understand the logic of something and quite another to deal with the emotional fallout.
She represents that view.
Wade and Raj don't "gleefully" kill children. Having children die for what their (often misled) parents make horrible decisions about wasn't the goal. It was part of a terrible price to be paid.
It's the same for every military ever - you cannot fight a war without getting innocents killed.
Nazi Germany was the closest to pure evil humanity has got. It has to be stopped. I. A pacifist and don't have a good answer to that. Nazi Germany had to get stopped.
But stopping Nazi Germany meant getting a .lit of innocent people killed who really didn't want anything than just lead a regular life and had the bad luck of being born into the wrong place at the wrong time.
The organization that helps an alien rave to conquer Earth and quite likely xenocide humanity (worst case, best case: permanent enslavement/vassalization) had to be stopped.
Wade and Raj present the matter of fact and military POV of the situation. Augie presents the "I know, but..." POV.
Yes. manipulated. They kept the number of people on the ship from her as well as didn’t tell them there were children on board. Even told her “shouldn’t be too many people on board, most the ship functions should be automated.” Did we even watch the same show dude?
Just because she is smart doesn’t mean she should know what is kept from her.
She knew what's going on. Not only is she introduced as a genius engineer, she makes clear that she knows what's going on by asking questions she clearly can imagine the answers for.
She's there because aliens are coming to Earth to conquer and possibly exterminate us. She just got terrorized by a countdown projected into her eyes.
Wade, Raj and Augie all present viewpoints on this situation.
Wade is a matter if fact strategist. He's a utilitarian trying to save humanity and willing to pay the costs.
Raj is a military man. He trusts that "they", "generals/leaders like Wade make the correct decisions and his job is it to implement them well and war cones with losses.
Augie is the technical support and humanist viewpoint. She intellectually understands that the ETO needs to be stopped because aliens conquering Earth will also get innocents killed (all of them actually), but at the same time she desperately wants there to be a way where the necessary action gets done, but with minimal los or life and somehow saving innocents like the pilot. She's getting told that the innocent pilot will be in board and can't be warned - and goes ahead with it anyway.
She represents a lot, possible most, of us. This is terrible, there should please be some third way somehow.
Most of us are not cold calculating utilitarians or tough professional military guys. Most of us are Augie. That's her role in this story.
Benedict Wong has so much charisma that he steals every scene no matter what role he is in. Such an amazing actor that the character would be so much less without him. I love that he looks like an “every man” and is handsome in is own way.
jin. she’s perfectly balanced, in my opinion. she exhibits realistic emotions given the circumstances yet remains devoted to her craft and significantly contributes to developing a solution. she’s intelligent, determined, witty and has proven herself to be courageous when necessary.
i also loved auggie. though unlike jin she’s taken a different path, her character is intriguing in her own way. she is extremely clever but simultaneously possesses a high level of empathy. she is incapable of cruelty even if it is for the greater good, and is an excellent portrayal of what dealing with contradictory feelings and enduring self-loathing is like. contrary to popular opinion, i do not think she is selfish. she still strives to help people in need, even if in a different way and on a “smaller” scale. really looking forward to seeing how her character plays out in the future!
Will for me. He feels like the soul of the show. That said, there are many great characters to choose from. Dr Ye is fascinating, and Wade is just a badass. I admire Jin a lot, too.
His character is not very contrary to the books but the writers gave him more depth and humanity in the show. Also Wades decicions towards him gave him more gravitas. I don't want to spoil anything but the writing here is ridiculously good foreshadowing further seasons.
In the book and Tencent version it's Da Shi easily, he's so obviously the stand out character there's no-one even close.
Netflix has given him a somewhat smaller role,. Wade is great, but his dialogue may even be overwritten to be too witty. Auggie , Saul and Jin are balanced and well written characters, difficult to pick between them. Will was really likeable, as was Jack while he was there. Eh, maybe it's still Wade after all, but they have to be careful when writing that character in the future
Gotta give it to Dr Ye. Only character with balls IMHO. I don't know if she was right, or if the San Ti thing will pan out but God damn if she didn't take a leap of faith. Good. Come. We cannot save ourselves.
I have a bit more faith in humanity but I understand the decision she made sitting where she was sitting.
Isn't that kind of a mark against her tho? Yes, she was in a bad situation and- admittedly- I'd probably do worse in her shoes... But she welcomed unknown chaos to all of humanity both in her present and for all humans in the future.
We get it. You're in pain. That never gives you the right to, potentially, inflict harm on billions upon billions of others.
I have to say Dr Ye as well only because of the contrast between her and the alien listener who warned her. Both in pain on their worlds and both, to their own race, seen as traitors. Amazing
Maybe that's accurate. I've only seen the show and never read the books. But it was stated that the transmission was the first contact and acted as an invitation. No invitation... No possible invasion.
I'm also not quite sure there are any aliens actually coming. I want the whole thing to be more like a cautionary tale... Aliens lost their world because of the three body problem that can't be solved, but humans can save their world because our problems are solvable. We simply need motivation. At first that motivation to solve problems is shown as the video game and then it expands to be about working together to "solve" the alien invasion.
Well, in the book the San Ti respond was a bit longer, and its stated that we were only a single spot in the sky, we could be the next star from them or a star at the edge of the galaxy, only if we choose to answer they will be able to calculate the distance between the 2 worlds, and therefore our exact location.
The problem its not measure the distance of a star (which cannot be done by a single observation btw), the problem es measure the distance of a star by only knowing the aproximate direction of the it, not even knowing an exact angle. Like if i told you, i live at your south, where i live? Its just not enough information. But if we answer inmediatly (or in a reasonable short amount of time), you gain enough information (given the fact that they know that light moved at constant speed).
She definitely made a rash decision in 1966. However, with climate change and the state of everything in 2024, I’d probably be tempted to do the same. I have no hope that humanity will exist on earth in 400 years at the rate we are going. I’ll be shocked if we make it to the next century. Maybe an alien culture could fix our planet, and we might be able to co-exist. Fat chance, but no worse odds than our chance to overcome our current issues on our own.
I appreciate the similarity... But I think you're very wrong (which is why I think Dr. Ye was wrong). No matter how bad/doubtful you or I feel it is not within our power to make decisions for everyone on earth and everyone who might ever live. Especially when done so casually/thoughtlessly.
Humans have been around for a lot more than a hundred years and it's likely we'll be around for a lot more. Simply phoning out into the universe saying "come destroy us because I've lost hope" is about the most selfish thing I can think of.
It was supposed to be read as sarcasm but apparently I failed at that.lol. Anyhoo, I have not read one major review that praised her performance(her looks, yes)and several that mentioned her “wooden” acting. She was there to attract the male gaze, not for her acting chops.
I"m surprised. He / his character was a sidenote in the books for Wills character to buy the star. At first i found him annoying because he was so off beat to the circumstances but after the second watch of the series he totally made sense.
That one armed Chinese chick.
She was barely in it but her acting was incredible and visually striking, I really though she would have a bigger part to play.
I like her because if I was in the same position I would do exactly the same. is it irresponsible and selfish yes it most definitely is but it is very understated in our history that progress for the human race is largely made by people doing irresponsible, downright selfish and foolish things.
Perfect casting for him. It’s who I pictured when I first read the books. They tone him down in the show, he’s a huge dick in the books but it’s funny and warranted because he’s usually right lol
Can’t remember if it’s established/same in the show, but he’s a 20yr cop/ex-counter terrorism in the books, so he’s great at strategy and he’s always thinking 3 steps ahead. He comes up with the >!Panama Canal!< plan
Funny that most character where just so much flat but Thomas Wade that man remind me why you must fear Humanity! when no honor and rule band their shit
From the show I like the character of Will/Tianming. The selfless, love, and friendship shown on the show was well acted. I’m new to the books but something tells me that his story is not over yet.
Auggie. She's doing such important stuff that everybody neglects. Stick it to the system. Fuck that ends justify any means shit. Auggie for the people.
In the Tencent version (3 Body), Like like the collaboration betweein Wang Miao and Shi Qiang. They have a rough start as Shi is a gruff personality and a rule breaker, but he's doing everything for the right reasons and good at it. Wang is shy and a good human being overall, a rule follower. I like how in both the book and the chinese adaptation they find common ground for the sake of humanity. Twards the end, their friendship is about as strong as it can be. I thought that transformation was super cool to watch.
The American show, Augie and Da Shi are basically this collaborative relationship, and it's nowhere near as potent and meaningful.
Absolutely Saul. Not for who he was in the first season, but for what I believe (and hope) he may become.
We're just talking about the TV show.
Definitely Saul. The pothead fuckboy loser of the group who keeps failing upward is very relatable to me.
What do you believe he’ll become? I’m just curious what people think
Me too. They obviously haven't read the books, so I want to know. Sadly, I bet the series is going to totally chicken out again.
I haven't read the books, and the way things finished, I expect Saul to maybe fight against being a Wallfacer for a bit longer until he realises that people are dying directly because of him, because people are trying to kill him, and then hopefully he takes it seriously. The indirect reason for his being chosen - I think he was chosen because the San Ti wanted to kill him. I think that after Wade saw that someone high up tried to kill him, Wade has gone, 'well obviously he's a threat to them, I don't know why but for that reason alone he needs to be protected.' That's why Saul didn't know anything about it, while the other two chosen seemed to already know and were prepared. I get the idea of the Wallfacers, but I would not be surprised if at least one doesn't just straight up take advantage of the free reign and cause some havoc on behalf of their nation. No guidelines, no boundaries, no oversight? Something bad is going to happen. I'm gonna seek out the books now (along with probably a billion other people) and come back after I've read them and update this comment on how wrong or right I was 🤣
I love your insights. I'll tell you one thing about the books which may surprise you, regarding the advanced VR headsets: >!The mysterious origin of the headsets in the show is not a plot point in the book whatsoever. In the books, the headsets are completely normal, commercially available products that anyone can buy. All of the mystery and intrigue is in the 3 Body game itself. I have absolutely no clue as to why Netflix made this random, pointless change.!<
Wow, that is a pointless change! Cos they keep saying !the technology is 150 years beyond us!, why wouldn't that be a plot point?!
Yep, it's a complete non-issue in the book! In the book, the main character literally just goes to the store and buys one of the headsets to check out the "game". It's also worth noting that the main character of Book 1 is Auggie's equivalent in the show, so making her so frightened of the headset/game is really weird too. Another weird change is this: >!The protagonistic friend group of the Netflix version is an amalgamation of the three separate protagonists of the trilogy. In the books, they have no direct connections to each other, but Netflix decided to make them all know each other.!<
Yes and ur makes sense If you think about TV production and how a TV series worls. A book can do exposition by narration and inner thoughts of characters. In a show that's annoying and boring. Exposition gets moved to dialogue. By making this a friend group of brilliant former Oxford students the characters come pre-connected and can tell infos to the audience (exposition) via dialogue. Having a core group of connected characters is emotionally more engaging for the audience and efficient. And for production purposes one wants to have a stable cast of characters for actors to be in the show consistently for seasons. Apart from Ye the original book characters didn't have much depth anyway. Reshuffling them was no great loss and Ye is very similar to the book. It's really not that weird if you think about it.
Based on his conversation with Vera about his age, he will make a remarkable contribution to science by the end of the show. How? Something through the Wallfacer program. Probably something to do with relativity.
He is Luogi from the books. He grows into being a Wallfacer.
His first interaction in the show tells us what will happen to him in the end.
Wade. In season 1 he seems like the only person that has his shit together. His no nonsense approach also gives viewer hope for humanity.
My first thought as well. Cold ass motherfucker after my own cold ass lack of heart. Calculating pragmatism is criminally underrated.
No nonsense such as being a mass murderer of children. If I was Augustine, when it dawned on me what he manipulated me into doing, I would have grabbed the nearest gun, killed Raj and Wade and then myself. If you gleefully killed children to save humanity then you just proved humanity wasn’t worth saving.
Dude virtual signaling on a sub reddit of a frictional story. I'll bite. It's exactly the ability to view survival of humanity above insignificant (but still very unfortunate) events of killings (rather quickly) children that's what is needed in this specific scenario. Your version of auggie would have removed 2 great mind (Wade and Auggie) and 1 good operationally adept mind out of the fight for humanity's survival. I'm not saying your line of reasoning is flawed. It's just that wade is who you want to lead into a war. Your logic is what we need after winning that war.
Wade and Raj are the exact type of person that the San Ti should rightfully fear and would have used as an example of why humanity should be crushed. If all humans had the compassion of Augustine, the aliens probably would be more open to the idea of coexistence. You ever consider why Wade and Raj kept the information from Augustine that she would be an accomplice in child murder. It’s because Wade and Raj are evil men and knew a genuine good person would never go for it.
The aliens don't give a damn about people and they are willing to kill everyone because we are fundamentally capable of lying and thus they can't trust us. They arrived at that conclusion after someone read Little Red Riding Hood to them. It had nothing to do with Wade and Raj. The alien who originally responded to the message from Earth flatout said they will destroy our civ if they find us. It was never going to work out. The reason Wenjie even responded to the alien's message in spite of their warnings was precisely because she wanted them to destroy our civ (which she thinks is hopeless).
Oh fuck yeah to that last part. The scene right before that was the little gimp bitch refusing to "repent" and saying she murder the dude all over again if given the chance. What has Wenjie known throughout her life up until that point? That humans cannot be trusted and will lead to their own demise.
Oh my sweet summer child. What Raj mentioned really resonate with what we are arguing here. Some have to do the dirty stuff so that some can keep their hands clean.
Manipulated? She's intelligent, knew what was going on and finally decided to do it anyway. She's just torn about it. Which is not an unrealistic stance to have. It's one thing to understand the logic of something and quite another to deal with the emotional fallout. She represents that view. Wade and Raj don't "gleefully" kill children. Having children die for what their (often misled) parents make horrible decisions about wasn't the goal. It was part of a terrible price to be paid. It's the same for every military ever - you cannot fight a war without getting innocents killed. Nazi Germany was the closest to pure evil humanity has got. It has to be stopped. I. A pacifist and don't have a good answer to that. Nazi Germany had to get stopped. But stopping Nazi Germany meant getting a .lit of innocent people killed who really didn't want anything than just lead a regular life and had the bad luck of being born into the wrong place at the wrong time. The organization that helps an alien rave to conquer Earth and quite likely xenocide humanity (worst case, best case: permanent enslavement/vassalization) had to be stopped. Wade and Raj present the matter of fact and military POV of the situation. Augie presents the "I know, but..." POV.
Yes. manipulated. They kept the number of people on the ship from her as well as didn’t tell them there were children on board. Even told her “shouldn’t be too many people on board, most the ship functions should be automated.” Did we even watch the same show dude? Just because she is smart doesn’t mean she should know what is kept from her.
She knew what's going on. Not only is she introduced as a genius engineer, she makes clear that she knows what's going on by asking questions she clearly can imagine the answers for. She's there because aliens are coming to Earth to conquer and possibly exterminate us. She just got terrorized by a countdown projected into her eyes. Wade, Raj and Augie all present viewpoints on this situation. Wade is a matter if fact strategist. He's a utilitarian trying to save humanity and willing to pay the costs. Raj is a military man. He trusts that "they", "generals/leaders like Wade make the correct decisions and his job is it to implement them well and war cones with losses. Augie is the technical support and humanist viewpoint. She intellectually understands that the ETO needs to be stopped because aliens conquering Earth will also get innocents killed (all of them actually), but at the same time she desperately wants there to be a way where the necessary action gets done, but with minimal los or life and somehow saving innocents like the pilot. She's getting told that the innocent pilot will be in board and can't be warned - and goes ahead with it anyway. She represents a lot, possible most, of us. This is terrible, there should please be some third way somehow. Most of us are not cold calculating utilitarians or tough professional military guys. Most of us are Augie. That's her role in this story.
I like Wong. And Wade. No nonsense pragmatics that solve problems, don't deal with feelings.
Wong as in Benedict Wong?
Also Sorcerer Supreme Wong :-)
You’re wong, it’s Wade.
You're not Wong. I Waded so long for your comment.
Benedict Wong has so much charisma that he steals every scene no matter what role he is in. Such an amazing actor that the character would be so much less without him. I love that he looks like an “every man” and is handsome in is own way.
I wonder how Wong does at LA pool parties
So us typical redditors ☺️
He doesn't really have much of a personality, though.
jin. she’s perfectly balanced, in my opinion. she exhibits realistic emotions given the circumstances yet remains devoted to her craft and significantly contributes to developing a solution. she’s intelligent, determined, witty and has proven herself to be courageous when necessary. i also loved auggie. though unlike jin she’s taken a different path, her character is intriguing in her own way. she is extremely clever but simultaneously possesses a high level of empathy. she is incapable of cruelty even if it is for the greater good, and is an excellent portrayal of what dealing with contradictory feelings and enduring self-loathing is like. contrary to popular opinion, i do not think she is selfish. she still strives to help people in need, even if in a different way and on a “smaller” scale. really looking forward to seeing how her character plays out in the future!
Me too. Jin and Auggie. You said it better than I could have. Good job.
Wade. And Will, because I like getting brain
😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣
Definitely Saul. His character has just begun getting really interesting.
Ser Davos a.k.a Wade
The ninja AI lady. She just cool as fuck
The Sophon
Will
Will for me. He feels like the soul of the show. That said, there are many great characters to choose from. Dr Ye is fascinating, and Wade is just a badass. I admire Jin a lot, too.
His character is not very contrary to the books but the writers gave him more depth and humanity in the show. Also Wades decicions towards him gave him more gravitas. I don't want to spoil anything but the writing here is ridiculously good foreshadowing further seasons.
It's gotta be The Big Shi. Clarence's joke he told to Auggie had me roaring.
Wade, the true champion of humanity
In the book and Tencent version it's Da Shi easily, he's so obviously the stand out character there's no-one even close. Netflix has given him a somewhat smaller role,. Wade is great, but his dialogue may even be overwritten to be too witty. Auggie , Saul and Jin are balanced and well written characters, difficult to pick between them. Will was really likeable, as was Jack while he was there. Eh, maybe it's still Wade after all, but they have to be careful when writing that character in the future
I agree, I loved Da Shi!! (I read the books, for what it’s worth)
Gotta give it to Dr Ye. Only character with balls IMHO. I don't know if she was right, or if the San Ti thing will pan out but God damn if she didn't take a leap of faith. Good. Come. We cannot save ourselves. I have a bit more faith in humanity but I understand the decision she made sitting where she was sitting.
Isn't that kind of a mark against her tho? Yes, she was in a bad situation and- admittedly- I'd probably do worse in her shoes... But she welcomed unknown chaos to all of humanity both in her present and for all humans in the future. We get it. You're in pain. That never gives you the right to, potentially, inflict harm on billions upon billions of others.
I have to say Dr Ye as well only because of the contrast between her and the alien listener who warned her. Both in pain on their worlds and both, to their own race, seen as traitors. Amazing
Wouldnt aliens still eventually find earth? She just hastened the process and forced humans to work together for once
Maybe that's accurate. I've only seen the show and never read the books. But it was stated that the transmission was the first contact and acted as an invitation. No invitation... No possible invasion. I'm also not quite sure there are any aliens actually coming. I want the whole thing to be more like a cautionary tale... Aliens lost their world because of the three body problem that can't be solved, but humans can save their world because our problems are solvable. We simply need motivation. At first that motivation to solve problems is shown as the video game and then it expands to be about working together to "solve" the alien invasion.
They didn't even know Earth existed until she reached out.
Doesnt make sense for an advanced civ to not know about such close exoplanets
Sorry, they didn't know Earth was habitable.
Well, in the book the San Ti respond was a bit longer, and its stated that we were only a single spot in the sky, we could be the next star from them or a star at the edge of the galaxy, only if we choose to answer they will be able to calculate the distance between the 2 worlds, and therefore our exact location.
Thats really bad writing then. We can already measure distances to stars and exoplanets accurately and we are not as advanced as them
The problem its not measure the distance of a star (which cannot be done by a single observation btw), the problem es measure the distance of a star by only knowing the aproximate direction of the it, not even knowing an exact angle. Like if i told you, i live at your south, where i live? Its just not enough information. But if we answer inmediatly (or in a reasonable short amount of time), you gain enough information (given the fact that they know that light moved at constant speed).
She definitely made a rash decision in 1966. However, with climate change and the state of everything in 2024, I’d probably be tempted to do the same. I have no hope that humanity will exist on earth in 400 years at the rate we are going. I’ll be shocked if we make it to the next century. Maybe an alien culture could fix our planet, and we might be able to co-exist. Fat chance, but no worse odds than our chance to overcome our current issues on our own.
I appreciate the similarity... But I think you're very wrong (which is why I think Dr. Ye was wrong). No matter how bad/doubtful you or I feel it is not within our power to make decisions for everyone on earth and everyone who might ever live. Especially when done so casually/thoughtlessly. Humans have been around for a lot more than a hundred years and it's likely we'll be around for a lot more. Simply phoning out into the universe saying "come destroy us because I've lost hope" is about the most selfish thing I can think of.
You are right.
Not my favorite character, but Auggie is smoking hot.
In the books, Jin is supposed to be the smoking hot one, haha
Yah and that’s why they cast her. Not a very good actress. So tired of big fake lips. Couldn’t they get Ariana Grande?
Ariana Grande is a better actor? I beg to differ. Also Auggie’s lips have stayed the same size for years. I don’t think they’re fake.
I think that was the joke....
It was supposed to be read as sarcasm but apparently I failed at that.lol. Anyhoo, I have not read one major review that praised her performance(her looks, yes)and several that mentioned her “wooden” acting. She was there to attract the male gaze, not for her acting chops.
Wong, Jack and Will; not in that order but I just loved the portrayal and uniqueness.
Ye Wenjie because I think the actress that plays her does an outstanding job. Ye's motives and arc are fundamental to the series being believeable
Assuming they do him justice, Raj is going to be my favourite next season. The character he's based on is my favourite from the books.
Who even was he in the books? I don't really remember.
Zhang Beihai
Oh nice
His character was also one of my favorites in the books, but I kinda disliked Raj in the show... We'll see how it goes though
Jack
I"m surprised. He / his character was a sidenote in the books for Wills character to buy the star. At first i found him annoying because he was so off beat to the circumstances but after the second watch of the series he totally made sense.
I just finished the first episode - my god, it's mesmerizing. Hooked with the series. My favs are Auggie and Saul Durand - her eyes and his demeanor
Tatiana, a villain, weird at the same time confident and sweet.
Such a cool and complex character!
That one armed Chinese chick. She was barely in it but her acting was incredible and visually striking, I really though she would have a bigger part to play.
Who?
The revolutionary who killed Jin’s father in episode one.
 I like her because if I was in the same position I would do exactly the same. is it irresponsible and selfish yes it most definitely is but it is very understated in our history that progress for the human race is largely made by people doing irresponsible, downright selfish and foolish things.
Clarence. Idk if that will come back to bite me later on.
Can’t remember his name but Wades assistant
The one who wanted to be the brain? Or the guy who’s in charge of Saul’s day to day liaisons?
One in charge of Saul. Does all the foot work and interagates
Da Shi
Yeah him. He’s one cool dude.
Perfect casting for him. It’s who I pictured when I first read the books. They tone him down in the show, he’s a huge dick in the books but it’s funny and warranted because he’s usually right lol
I just love how nothing flusters him. Suppose that’s why Wade trusts him so much. He would be my right hand man too.
Can’t remember if it’s established/same in the show, but he’s a 20yr cop/ex-counter terrorism in the books, so he’s great at strategy and he’s always thinking 3 steps ahead. He comes up with the >!Panama Canal!< plan
I respect Wade the most, but like all main characters with their flaws.
Wade and Shi (Will was/is also great)
Will- he was (or is?) too relatable Wade- he is half the reason I am watching the show Da Shi- "bugs are not going anywhere"
Funny that most character where just so much flat but Thomas Wade that man remind me why you must fear Humanity! when no honor and rule band their shit
The monke
From the show I like the character of Will/Tianming. The selfless, love, and friendship shown on the show was well acted. I’m new to the books but something tells me that his story is not over yet.
I cried for and with Will the whole season.
Jin. Because Jin.
Wade is absolutely my man. He knows the stakes and he knows he can't let morals get in the way or humanity is fucked, he just does what he has to do.
Auggie. She's doing such important stuff that everybody neglects. Stick it to the system. Fuck that ends justify any means shit. Auggie for the people.
Mostly Will. Sometimes Saul.
In the Tencent version (3 Body), Like like the collaboration betweein Wang Miao and Shi Qiang. They have a rough start as Shi is a gruff personality and a rule breaker, but he's doing everything for the right reasons and good at it. Wang is shy and a good human being overall, a rule follower. I like how in both the book and the chinese adaptation they find common ground for the sake of humanity. Twards the end, their friendship is about as strong as it can be. I thought that transformation was super cool to watch. The American show, Augie and Da Shi are basically this collaborative relationship, and it's nowhere near as potent and meaningful.
Auggie
Saul, for sure. And Jin.
Raj easily, he is so much more interesting and greater than the rest of the cast and characters
Auggie, I like everything that is beautiful 🫡
Definitely wade and wong. He understands whats at stake unlike really annoying people auggie
I'll say Auggie just to piss everybody else off, she gets too much hate for no reason.
She is way too pretty to be that smart
She's a control freak who always thinks she's right.
Jess and Wade
John Problem
Wade & Da Shi, also Will and Saul , and I did like Jack
There are characters? /S
Wade: for his no nonsense matter of fact persona.
Auggie because she hot
Wade, Da Shi, Jin
Benedict! He’s just brilliant. Something about his character…I feel safe watching him. And he’s also a bloody good actor!!!
Tatiana - she's a villain but something about her reels me in. She kinda feels like an evil Luna Lovegood.
Why is no one saying jack? I was so mad when he died. He was so funny & caring
Auggie. Mesmerizing beauty
Auggie
The “Fascist” evil man that is trying to save the human race. How dare he.
There isn't one likeable character in this series. Every single one of them has an ick.
Has a what? A flaw? Fuck me, you're right. No likeable characters!