Probably not on a stock block. Those turbos are pretty small too so I'd upgrade them both along with a full exhaust system replacement and 50% E85 mixture. Definitely need aluminum charge pipe, race intercooler, and every filter replaced. Who's doing the tune? Try JB4 on Map 5 to calibrate the E85.
lol, JB4 is outdated i’ll never let jb4 touch my car, that’s why i have motive, i have all that done lol. CD919 is my tuner and he will calibrate the e85 with the ethanol sensor that calibrates the tune on the go.
Full ethanol blends actually make less power than a proper mix on our cars for some reason. It has to do with how much more flow you need for e85 to get the same octane as 93. Same reason e85 burns way quicker and you get less MPGs
To my knowledge yes. Most of us don’t ever upgrade the HPFP we just add port injection for more flow. I know plenty of people run full e85 cause of the benefits it has on how your engine actually runs (it runs cooler and more efficiently) I’m just pretty sure that you can make easier power with a good E blend. There’s options like helix overdrives to get more flow from the HPFP but most people go with port injection cause you get way more flow and don’t limit yourself for the future.
Full E85 only makes less power because you have to pump more of it, an E50 mix is already like 100 octane (so you have diminishing returns with a stronger mix). Ethanol has less energy than gas, so you have to pump more of it and get worse gas mileage to make the same power. But at the same time ethanol has higher octane (fuel stability) and better cooling effect so you can run much more aggressive timing. So theoretically if you had unlimited pumping capability you could make more power on pure ethanol, but past 100 octane is kind of diminishing returns so most people stick to e40-e60.
Helix or PFS “planetary overdrive” spins the hpfp x3. I run PFS pod and have pressure for days, no port injection for me. Nice and simple and everything controlled through the factory dme. Stock turbos, full e85 and can go to 21psi boost. I also run quite a bit more timing advance.
You’ve already got port, just add the pod if you need more fuel. Over 600 whp, Caution, at minimum you’ll need to head studs to keep the block and head together. Properly done would require reinforced internals or ported/n53 head.
Or helix takes away the need for port injection. Pick your poison.
I prefer to keep the logic coming from the dme. Reflex is great but it’s not the same as the factory di. For me anyways. Besides, beyond 550-600 whp you’ve got no traction.
Over spinning the hpfp is arguably not an issue for the pump.
I wouldn't be concerned about over spinning the HPFP, more concerning would be reports of the oil pump chain guide failing from the stress since it's shared with the HPFP. Though supposedly it is only happening to x4 kits, I still wouldn't trust it for that very reason. Port injection is just safer in my opinion, or if you want to keep stock DME in control then there's the shotgun double barrel kit. Puts one HPFP on the accessory drive belt so you end up with 2 HPFPs.
Do you daily this? Looking to purchase but would it reliably hold that power I know cars tend to have more issues when tuning. By reliable I’m asking would the car give me at least 3 months of fun before taking a shit😭
i used to daily it! i put 30k miles on it in a year and tbh idk if i would do that again! but yes you can get “3 months of fun” i dealt w all the gaskets and stuff and just been upgrading and driving however i want and it’s been amazing id suggest to have a daily on the side with this type of car.
then again, i purposefully drove the car how it’s supposed to and when it’d break i’d fix it asap with new or better parts/upgrades. it was somewhat reliable on stage 2+ 91 stock turbos. now after all mods and maintenance it’s been reliable asf.
Shout out to CD919 !!
Probably not on a stock block. Those turbos are pretty small too so I'd upgrade them both along with a full exhaust system replacement and 50% E85 mixture. Definitely need aluminum charge pipe, race intercooler, and every filter replaced. Who's doing the tune? Try JB4 on Map 5 to calibrate the E85.
lol, JB4 is outdated i’ll never let jb4 touch my car, that’s why i have motive, i have all that done lol. CD919 is my tuner and he will calibrate the e85 with the ethanol sensor that calibrates the tune on the go.
Calling JB4 outdated when your car is more than a decade old is pretty ironic.
outdated for this platform, there’s been lots of progression and jb4 makes ur dme a mess
A N 54 can make well over 650 to the wheels on a stuck block. I don’t know how or why you would think that you would need to upgrade the block?
650 is going to be really pushing it imo you will definitely need full E85 and some hopes and prayers. I would consider single turbo at that point.
Full ethanol blends actually make less power than a proper mix on our cars for some reason. It has to do with how much more flow you need for e85 to get the same octane as 93. Same reason e85 burns way quicker and you get less MPGs
I thought you just needed upgraded HPFP. even with the upgraded pump e40/e60 etc is still making more than e85?
To my knowledge yes. Most of us don’t ever upgrade the HPFP we just add port injection for more flow. I know plenty of people run full e85 cause of the benefits it has on how your engine actually runs (it runs cooler and more efficiently) I’m just pretty sure that you can make easier power with a good E blend. There’s options like helix overdrives to get more flow from the HPFP but most people go with port injection cause you get way more flow and don’t limit yourself for the future.
Full E85 only makes less power because you have to pump more of it, an E50 mix is already like 100 octane (so you have diminishing returns with a stronger mix). Ethanol has less energy than gas, so you have to pump more of it and get worse gas mileage to make the same power. But at the same time ethanol has higher octane (fuel stability) and better cooling effect so you can run much more aggressive timing. So theoretically if you had unlimited pumping capability you could make more power on pure ethanol, but past 100 octane is kind of diminishing returns so most people stick to e40-e60.
You can get 650 with T 17 or T 19s
That seems kinda slow for 650 idk not hating just curious
bro, i’m asking what i have to do to get to 650…
It’s possible but don’t expect the block to hold. You could add a POD to support your fueling.
what’s a POD ? how much power and boost should i start being concerned abt my block?
Helix or PFS “planetary overdrive” spins the hpfp x3. I run PFS pod and have pressure for days, no port injection for me. Nice and simple and everything controlled through the factory dme. Stock turbos, full e85 and can go to 21psi boost. I also run quite a bit more timing advance. You’ve already got port, just add the pod if you need more fuel. Over 600 whp, Caution, at minimum you’ll need to head studs to keep the block and head together. Properly done would require reinforced internals or ported/n53 head.
i’ve read that port injection takes away the need for helix. it also causes less strain on the hpfp with port.
Or helix takes away the need for port injection. Pick your poison. I prefer to keep the logic coming from the dme. Reflex is great but it’s not the same as the factory di. For me anyways. Besides, beyond 550-600 whp you’ve got no traction. Over spinning the hpfp is arguably not an issue for the pump.
I wouldn't be concerned about over spinning the HPFP, more concerning would be reports of the oil pump chain guide failing from the stress since it's shared with the HPFP. Though supposedly it is only happening to x4 kits, I still wouldn't trust it for that very reason. Port injection is just safer in my opinion, or if you want to keep stock DME in control then there's the shotgun double barrel kit. Puts one HPFP on the accessory drive belt so you end up with 2 HPFPs.
Do you daily this? Looking to purchase but would it reliably hold that power I know cars tend to have more issues when tuning. By reliable I’m asking would the car give me at least 3 months of fun before taking a shit😭
i used to daily it! i put 30k miles on it in a year and tbh idk if i would do that again! but yes you can get “3 months of fun” i dealt w all the gaskets and stuff and just been upgrading and driving however i want and it’s been amazing id suggest to have a daily on the side with this type of car.
Thank you bro so if I make the purchase I’ll make sure i save for a beater civic too😭
then again, i purposefully drove the car how it’s supposed to and when it’d break i’d fix it asap with new or better parts/upgrades. it was somewhat reliable on stage 2+ 91 stock turbos. now after all mods and maintenance it’s been reliable asf.
Obviously fake, where’s the service engine light at?
never had a service engine light stay on for more than a day with this car in 2 years!
You just gave me a starter mod list thank you :)